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lxslino tripleo meeting?07:09
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marioslxsli: probably not cos of the f2f07:45
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sgordon\o/14:00
sgordon#startmeeting nfv14:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 23 14:00:28 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
bauzas\o14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
sgordon#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nfv)"14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nfv'14:00
smazziottahi14:00
sgordonhi all14:00
ian_otthi14:00
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davidpc\o14:00
smazziottahi14:00
cloudonhi14:00
sgordonrussell let me know he is out today other than doing some j-2 tidy up14:00
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sgordonso unfortunately that means i am the chair ;)14:00
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sgordonlet me know if anyone else wants to help out14:01
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sgordon#topic action items from last week14:01
bauzas\o14:01
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sgordonbauzas, i believe the one action item from last week was on you14:01
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sgordonwrt to the dashboard and the length of the url?14:01
sgordonany updates?14:01
bauzasyeah, and not good ones :(14:01
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bauzasso, as I was fearing, there is no way to extend the length acceptance of Gerrit14:02
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sgordonright14:02
bauzasso, that sucks now : http://nfv.russellbryant.net14:02
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bauzasbecause some news BPs have been added14:02
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s3wonghello14:03
sgordonbauzas, so i think that points us back towards having to generate a static html page14:03
bauzasso, there is a temporary fix which would consist in reducing dramatically the number of sections we have14:03
bauzasI would say that's a short-term action14:03
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bauzasa mid-term action would be indeed to write a custom dashboard14:03
sgordonbauzas, are you ok to continue driving this?14:03
bauzassgordon: sure14:03
sgordonright14:04
bauzasbecause I'm lazy14:04
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sgordon#action bauzas to implement short term fix of reducing sections in dashboard14:04
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sgordon#action bauzas longer term dashboard fix to generate static html14:04
sgordonso....14:04
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bauzasthere is already something there : http://status.openstack.org/reviews/14:04
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sgordon#link http://status.openstack.org/reviews/14:04
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cloudonI also had an action to update wiki with control plane use case - now done14:04
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bauzaswhich is an -infra project : https://github.com/openstack-infra/reviewday/14:04
sgordon#info cloudon updated wiki with control plane use case14:05
sgordonthanks cloudon !14:05
bauzasso I'm volunteering to contribute to reviewday for the NFV usecases14:05
sgordoncloudon, do you have the link to the section handy?14:05
sgordon#info bauzas to contribute to reviewday for the NFV use cases14:05
sgordon#link https://github.com/openstack-infra/reviewday/14:06
sgordonexcellent14:06
cloudon#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Teams/NFV#Virtual_IMS_Core14:06
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sgordon#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Teams/NFV#Virtual_IMS_Core14:06
bauzasI'm also taking the opportunity to have the mic for asking contributors to check their Gerrit topic names and amend if necessary14:06
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sgordonok14:06
sgordoni am conscious of people14:06
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sgordon's time as we're approaching j-2 here14:06
bauzaswe need to make sure that the gerrit topic name needs to be identical to the blueprint url14:06
sgordonok14:07
sgordon#info gerrit topic name needs to match blueprint url14:07
bauzasthat's really necessary for making sure we're not loosing our review bandwidth by missing important BPs14:07
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sgordoni guess i would ask whats the solution when it doesnt because it will inevitably happen ;)14:07
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sgordoncan continue that discussion outside the meeting though14:07
sgordon#topic spec freeze exceptions14:08
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bauzassgordon: the good practice is to correctly mention the BP name in the commit message14:08
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bauzassure, I'm glad to help if contributors have questions14:08
bauzasppl can ping me14:08
sgordonso i see there were some updates from neutron on the ML today14:08
sgordon#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/040969.html14:08
sgordonthe window for spec freeze exceptions there is quickly closing due to the volume of work already approved14:08
sgordonat this time it is likely that to be approved any further items will need to be:14:09
sgordon- targeting stability and scalability for Neutron FOSS framework14:09
sgordon- have a "community" interest. By that I do not mean necessarily targeting14:09
sgordonthe FOSS bits, but necessarily have support and interest from a number of14:09
sgordonteams of neutron contributors.14:09
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sgordonwith that said i did pull out a short list of BPs for which exceptions have been requested which seem relevant to this group14:09
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sgordonplease chime in if you are the owners of any i miss here...14:09
adrian-hobansgordon: Thanks for bringing this up14:09
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sgordonthe first two relate to DPDK enablement14:10
sgordon#info [openstack-dev] [nova][Spec Freeze Exception]Support dpdkvhost in ovs vif bindings14:10
sgordon#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/040660.html14:10
sgordonand14:10
sgordon#info [openstack-dev] [Neutron] [Spec freeze exception] ml2-use-dpdkvhost14:10
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sgordon#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/040877.html14:10
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sgordonso the two of these have an inter-relationship which makes things sticky14:11
sgordonit was originally proposed as a nova spec only and then as a result of review feedback broken out14:11
adrian-hobanThere has been lots of feedback on the proposal. I think we're on an agreeable path now14:11
adrian-hobanUpdated plan is in the review comments, and blueprints are being updated14:12
sgordonthe neutron guys are apparently amicable to giving it an exception if the nova guys do but the nova guys i have talked to say the opposite14:12
sgordon(fun) :)14:12
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adrian-hobanLOL14:12
sgordonadrian-hoban, is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95805/ the most up to date review for the nova spec?14:12
sgordonadrian-hoban, it still seems to have some -1s to iterate on from the original discussion14:13
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sgordoni agree though the path seems much clearer now14:13
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sgordon#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95805/14:13
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adrian-hobansgordon: We hope the last set of comments in the chat from sean-k-mooney address the -1's.14:14
sgordon#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107797/14:14
sean-k-mooneyhi yes i am currently updateing the nova and neuton specs with there feed back a new version should be avaiable by the end of the day14:15
sgordonsean-k-mooney, ok thanks - might be an idea to send a mail in response to the spec exception request email to highlight it when you do14:15
sgordon#action sean-k-mooney working to update nova and neutron DPDK enablement specs by end of day14:16
sean-k-mooneysgordon:yes i will do that.14:16
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sgordonok14:16
adrian-hobanWe will also reach out to the -1's to check that their comments have been resolved.14:16
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sgordon+1 yes14:16
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sgordonmight also need to see if joe will remove the -2 but i suspect he will want to see core sponsors first14:17
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sgordon#info [openstack-dev] [Nova][Spec freeze exception] Solver Scheduler spec14:17
sgordon#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/040684.html14:17
sgordonare any of those involved in the solver scheduler effort around?14:17
bauzas\o14:17
bauzasI'm following this spec14:18
sgordon(not familiar enough with nicks but know we have discussed in previous meetings)14:18
bauzasbut not involved tho14:18
bauzasYathi is not there14:18
sgordonbauzas, in the spec exception request email it suggests it has two cores signed up do you know if they were confirmed?14:18
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bauzassgordon: lemme check14:19
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bauzassgordon: as per https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-juno-spec-priorities there are no cores who expressed interest14:19
sgordonok14:19
sgordoni was just not sure based on the way the request was framed14:20
bauzasthere are little chances this spec would be accepted as an exception14:20
sgordonanyway will need to take that offline14:20
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sgordonthat was my understanding yeah but stranger things have happened...14:20
sgordon#info [openstack-dev] [Neutron][Spec Freeze Exception] ml2-ovs-portsecurity14:20
sgordon#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/040838.html14:20
sgordonso the two port security proposals got merged into this one and an exception has been requested14:21
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sgordonijw also has https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97715/ covering unaddressed interfaces in this area which is still outstanding14:22
bauzassgordon: for Nova, we should get a formal response by today EOB or tomorrow morning14:22
sgordon#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97715/14:22
bauzassgordon: for spec exceptions I mean14:22
sgordon#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99873/14:22
sgordonis the review for the ml2-ovs-portsecurity spec14:22
sgordonit has a +2 from kyle but needs another neutron core to buy in14:23
yamahata'll contact Rob Kukura today for his opinion.14:23
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yamahataHe added +1 for now.14:24
sgordonright14:24
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sgordoni think it would meet the updated guidelines for any further neutron spec approvals in terms of community interest14:24
sgordonbut still needs a sponsor14:24
sgordon#action yamahata to follow up with Rob Kukura for an opinion on sponsoring exception for ml2-ovs-portsecurity spec14:25
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sgordoni will try and catch ijw later today for his opinion on the unaddressed interfaces one - i dont think i saw an exception request14:25
sgordonso that is the list i skimmed from the ML14:25
sgordondoes anyone have others they would like to discuss?14:25
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sgordontumbleweeds14:27
sgordonok14:27
sgordon#topic meeting time14:27
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sgordonijw raised some concerns about the meeting time, i believe he is west coast which means 7am14:28
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sgordontypically i think we have a good spectrum across east coast US and europe14:28
sgordondoes anyone have any thoughts on moving it?14:29
sgordonobviously we are never going to please everyone but if we're missing a significant chunk of people we may need to consider it14:29
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adrian-hobanYes, I think if people let us know that this time doesn't work, then maybe we can cycle between earlier/later sessions to suit14:30
smazziottait can be only one hour later... for west coast the meeting starts at 7am14:30
sgordonright14:31
sgordonthe other issue is the meeting channels are pretty rammed with bookings these days14:31
sgordonbut i will look into what is available and send a whenisgood to the list?14:31
sgordonobviously we should try and cater to the broadest group we can hit14:31
s3wongfor Neutron specifically, 8am PDT is DVR, 9am PDT is ML2 and 10:30am PDT is advanced service14:31
sgordoni just dont have a clear picture of what that is :)14:31
smazziottanot really fair for Europe to make it later than 8am PST14:31
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bauzassgordon: I think that's a good opportunity for debating this in the -dev ML14:31
sgordon+114:32
smazziotta+114:32
sgordon#action sgordon to follow up on available meeting room times and poll the -dev list14:32
sgordonagree14:32
sgordonesp. since the aggrieved party is not actually able to be here at this time to discuss :)14:32
bauzassgordon: we can also think on an alternance :)14:32
sgordon#topic other business?14:32
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sgordonso, what else do people want to discuss?14:33
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sgordoni know we have put use cases somewhat on the back burner as things heat up with the release cycle14:33
sgordonthough thanks again to cloudon for providing some updates on that front14:33
cloudonAny desire for the group to bid for a speaking slot in Paris?14:34
smazziottanext week I will be at ETSI NFV meeting. any thing we want to push to these guys ?14:34
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ulikThey should clarify whether gap analysis can be shared already14:34
sgordonyeah +114:34
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sgordonthe lack of transparency around the gap analysis is the main concern14:35
sgordonalthough we do have some members trying to feed back and forth between the two14:35
adrian-hobanI know work is still in progress on that in multiple ETSI-NFV working groups14:35
ulikYes. Do they need an official liaison?14:35
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smazziottaok. we can ask14:36
sgordoni believe michael brenner from ALU is the assigned liaison for OpenStack from an ETSI NFV point of view14:36
ggarciaregarding gap panalysis, what I know is that all NFV WGs have shared their gap analysis and an integrated document is being ellaborated14:36
sgordonhe doesn't have an equivalent from the openstack community but has popped up here a few times14:36
ulikYes.14:36
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ulikBut the gaps are known, so we could start work also on this side.14:36
smazziottaI saw on the mailing list a bunch of them , they are now consolidating and working on aligning14:36
adrian-hobanYes, I believe ETSI-NFV have an appointed liason14:36
sgordonis anyone at the IETF in toronto this week ?14:37
sgordoni know they were having some NFV-related discussions as well14:37
ggarciasgordon, diego lopex is in toronto14:37
ggarcia*diego lopez14:37
sgordongood to know - i think the main relevant session was yesterday afternoon14:38
sgordonhaven't heard anything out of it as yet though14:38
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sgordonsmazziotta, is that enough relevant feedback from our side w.r.t. gaps?14:38
sgordonsmazziotta, i think what we have previously discussed is access to the draft as soon as they have some level of comfort with it14:39
sgordon#info smazziotta attending ETSI NFV meeting next week, requesting any feedback to take to that forum.14:39
sgordon#info Main concern continues to be publication of draft gap analysis14:40
adrian-hobanI suspect the timing of the availability of the gap analysis will make the input suitable for Kilo planning14:40
adrian-hobanand discussion in an NFV BoF session at the Kilo summit14:40
sgordonthat is my hope too14:40
adrian-hobanI'll make a request14:41
sgordonmy concern is that if we dont get that transparency in time there may be some unpleasant surprises in terms of time to action14:41
sgordonthough obviously in many areas we are likely identifying the same things14:41
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ggarciasgordon, agree14:41
ulikMaybe we should tell them the timeline that would help for Kilo planning14:42
sgordonsmazziotta, does that make sense ^14:42
smazziottayes, at least let's try to get a formal POV14:42
sgordonobviously we dont have the release schedule but the design summit is the key date for a planning perspective14:42
sgordonprobably minus 2 to 3 weeks to allow for session proposals for major work items14:43
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smazziottaso mid october is somehow our deadline. correct ?14:44
sgordonsmazziotta, as close as we can get to one yes14:44
sgordonanyone disagree ?14:45
ggarciais that the deadline to receive gap analysis and evaluate for kilo planning?14:45
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sgordonggarcia, for major work items i would say so yes - those that are likely to need a dedicated design session slot14:45
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adrian-hobanReasonable request14:45
sgordonggarcia, that isn't necessary for all enhancements though14:45
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smazziottayes so that we can discuss it in Paris Summit14:46
sgordonggarcia, less controversial or simpler things dont require a full session14:46
sgordonbut whats controversial or simple is hard to tell without the list :)14:46
ggarciait seems reasonable14:46
sgordon#info smazziotta to advise ETSI NFV group that major gaps to feed into Kilo planning need to be identified to OpenStack community by mid-October14:48
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sgordoni dont have anything else today14:48
sgordonam happy to let people have 10 mins of their life back14:48
sgordonany other business?14:48
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sgordontake that as a no14:49
sgordonthanks all, continue in #openstack-nfv as usual if you want :)14:50
sgordon#endmeeting14:50
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Swami_hi15:01
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Swami_its time for the dvr meeting15:01
pcm_hi! Lurking for first 30 mins15:02
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Swami_pcm_: fine15:02
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Swami_#startmeeting distributed-virtual-router15:03
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 23 15:03:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Swami_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router'15:03
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Swami_hi dvr folks15:03
Swami_#info15:04
viveknarasimhanhi swami15:04
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Swami_As you all know the DVR have been moved to Juno 3 milestone.15:04
Swami_Even though we are constantly pushing the patches upstream, all our patches may not land during the next day or so.15:05
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Swami_So we will continue to work on it and push the patches upstream15:05
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Swami_That would be our high priority.15:05
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mrsmithhello?15:07
Swami_Current patches that have merged.15:07
Swami_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/neutron-ovs-dvr,n,z15:07
Swami_mrsmith: hi15:08
Swami_I think the latest addition to the patches that have merged is the L3 Agent15:08
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Rajeev_Swami_ I believe you meant https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/neutron-ovs-dvr,n,z15:09
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Swami_Rajeev_: thanks, the first list is the non-merged patch but with the exception of L3 agent.15:09
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Swami_The second link that rajeev provided gives the list of merged patches so far.15:10
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viveknarasimhanL3 Agent merged. Congratulations ..15:10
haleybSwami_: your first link missed the devstack change15:10
Swami_Apart from the above patches, there was also a python-neutronclient patch that was merged.15:11
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Swami_haleyb: thanks for bringing it up, there was another patch for the devstack enablement for DVR15:11
Swami_haleyb: can you post that link here.15:12
haleybhttps://review.openstack.org/10318015:12
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Swami_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106147/15:12
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Swami_There is an updated DVR Howto wiki for people who wanted to test the code.15:14
Swami_#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/DVR/HowTo15:14
carl_baldwinSwami_: hi.  My internet connection is really spotty today.  Hope I can stay on for a little while.15:15
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Swami_Folks please feel to test the code and let us know if you have any issues.15:15
WormMan(well, I know what I'm doing the rest of the week...)15:15
Swami_carl_baldwin: thanks for joining, sure and I understand your problems.15:15
Swami_#topic L3 plugin patch for router conversion15:16
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Swami_Folks there is patch that address the router conversion and I am currently working on that patch and posted it for review.15:16
Swami_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105855/15:17
Swami_This patch should help the scheduler identify the transition state of the router, for any router conversion and should be able to schedule the router to the right agent based on the type of the router.15:18
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mrsmithSwami_ - how much testing have you done with agents ?15:18
mrsmithwrt conversion?15:19
Swami_mrsmith: As I mentioned above this patch addresses the changes on the plugin side and not on the scheduler side.15:19
mrsmithok15:19
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Swami_mrsmith: we need to start working on the scheduler side and then test the agent part.15:20
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Swami_I spoke to murali and he mentioned, right now if the router is already scheduled on an agent and when router update happens, the routers are not rescheduled.15:21
carl_baldwinSwami_: I think this patch should address conversion across all components.  I don’t think we should split it into multiple patches.15:21
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Swami_carl_baldwin: sure, then we might have to include the other components such as the scheduler and agent.15:22
Swami_mrsmith: does that answer your question15:22
carl_baldwinSwami_: Yes, I think you’re right.  Hopefully the L3 agent code will merge in the next hours and we can rebase it to the scheduler patch.15:23
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mrsmithSwami_ - yes... sounds like we will all work on this patch15:23
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Swami_mrsmith: yes that would be plan15:23
Rajeev_sure, sounds like a good plan15:24
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viveknarasimhanso we remove the NN side router first and then intiate conversion all the way from plugin to agents15:24
viveknarasimhanas part of this patch>15:24
Swami_#topic L2 DVR15:24
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carl_baldwinSwami_: Also, if you’re authoring the bulk of the patch you can either reset the author or add yourself as co-author.15:24
Swami_viveknarasimhan: can you provide an update on the L2 sidw15:25
Rajeev_nit: transition will be offline, i.e. there will be a short interruption to traffic15:25
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viveknarasimhanL2 Agent changes for DVR merged15:25
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viveknarasimhantested GRE with L2 Agent and it works OK when I tried for East-west traffic15:26
viveknarasimhanWith regard to unit testing, am following up on Scheduler side tests and parallely focusing on ml2/db.py and ml2/plugin.py lines15:26
viveknarasimhanaddressing review comments with armax on ML2 Additions for dvr #10239815:27
viveknarasimhanthat is gist of my update15:27
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Swami_viveknarasimhan: thanks for the update15:28
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Swami_viveknarasimhan: do you expect any change on your side for the router conversion15:28
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Swami_carl_baldwin: thanks15:29
viveknarasimhani want to understand this conversion better before seeing any change required15:29
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viveknarasimhanwe should not be adding DVR while NN router interface ports exist15:29
viveknarasimhanas that will fail in the current code scenarios15:29
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viveknarasimhandue to overlap of subnets15:29
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Swami_This should not be any different than how a router can be moved from one L3 agent to another L3 agent in a different node.15:30
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Rajeev_viveknarasimhan: would like to know more about it15:31
carl_baldwinviveknarasimhan: I’m not sure I understand yet.15:31
viveknarasimhantoday we donot allow a subnet of dvr to be made available on centralized NN router and vice versa15:31
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viveknarasimhana subnet interface is either on DVR or on NN and not on both15:31
viveknarasimhanso when we do conversion, we should first remove the NN hosted router's interface subnets and then re-apply them on a DVR router with the same name and properties15:32
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Swami_viveknarasimhan: yes I agree with the above statement.15:33
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carl_baldwinviveknarasimhan: That makes sense.15:34
viveknarasimhanso there is going to be drop in traffic15:34
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viveknarasimhanand that could be from minimal to more depending on how many VMs are15:34
viveknarasimhanspread out in the cloud for such subnets15:34
Rajeev_viveknarasimhan:agreed, traffic interruption will be there15:34
Swami_viveknarasimhan: yes that's what rajeev mentioned and I think that is acceptable.15:35
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viveknarasimhanthis will be done in a maintenance window (or) live?15:35
Rajeev_viveknarasimhan: Cloud admin call ?15:36
Swami_viveknarasimhan: It depends, since there would be a network glitch, admins may want to do it in a maintenance window or they can choose to just do on a case by case basis.15:36
carl_baldwinviveknarasimhan: We need to learn more about the downtime and how significant it will be.  If we can characterize that the the deployer can decide.15:36
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viveknarasimhanagree. but we may need to test live case15:36
Swami_viveknarasimhan: Sure once we have the conversion working we can test, make sure how much time it takes and then document it.15:37
viveknarasimhani don't foresee change in L2 for this15:37
viveknarasimhanif the process is as I mentioned above, sequential removal of NN ports followed by DVR ports creation15:37
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Swami_viveknarasimhan: thanks for your update.15:37
viveknarasimhanthings should work without change from L2 side , except for configuration updates15:38
Rajeev_Swami_: ok to priortize legacy --> dvr Over dvr --> legacy -- right ?15:38
viveknarasimhanlike l2-pop and enable_distributed-routing must be ON on compute nodes15:38
Swami_Rajeev_ : We are not targeting DVR-to-Legacy at this time...15:38
Rajeev_Swami_: thx, sounds good for now15:39
carl_baldwinSwami_: Rajeev_: Agreed15:39
Swami_#topic L3 Agent15:39
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Swami_mrsmith: the stage is yours15:40
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mrsmithlooks like the patch is about to land15:40
carl_baldwinviveknarasimhan: Do we really need things to be sequenced?  I’m wondering if the plugin side does its thing and the L3/L2 agents do their thing on the various nodes will things fall in to place?15:40
mrsmithwe have a few follow up issues/patches to work on15:40
mrsmithconversion, agent-restart/namespace cleanup15:40
mrsmithalso, we still have a conflict with other code with SNAT15:41
mrsmithand VLAN tagging15:41
mrsmithRajeev_ can you comment on that issue?15:41
Swami_carl_baldwin: right now the agent namespace cleanup is a different patch, can we merge this along with the migration patch or should it be a different one.15:41
Rajeev_mrsmith: yes15:41
Rajeev_we noticed the SNAT ports were not getting tagged15:42
mrsmithSwami_ migration or conversion ? :)15:42
carl_baldwinSwami_: What would be the advantage of merging them?15:42
Rajeev_There a fix on the way or maybe already in15:42
Rajeev_armax is integrating it into l3_rpc_base15:42
carl_baldwinWe need to get away from large un-focused patches that try to do too much.  We need to think leaner.  They will merge more easily that way.15:43
armaxRajeev_: already did15:43
mrsmiththanks armax!15:43
Swami_carl_baldwin: Since mrsmith will be also working on the conversion part, he can also fix the namespace cleanup issues, rather than having another patch for it.15:43
Swami_carl_baldwin: agreed15:44
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viveknarasimhani mentioned sequencing in algorithmic point of view15:44
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carl_baldwinSwami: mrsmith:  I can also help with agent restart and namespace cleanup.  I’ll be back full time starting tomorrow.15:45
viveknarasimhanthe code can execute concurrently, but we need to ensure racing is avoided, be in dvr scheduling in controller, l2 rule handling by l2 agent and  l3 namespace handling by l3 agent15:45
mrsmithk15:45
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Swami_carl_baldwin: thanks15:45
mrsmithcarl_baldmin - maybe I can focus on conversion then?15:45
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carl_baldwinmrsmith: Sounds good.15:45
Swami_mrsmith: carl_baldwin: sounds like a good plan15:46
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Swami_#topic DVR scheduler15:46
viveknarasimhani will focus on CLI enhancement to show replicated DVR bindings15:47
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viveknarasimhanwould that be ok?15:47
viveknarasimhanalso i can focus on concurrency of flow additions issue with ovs_lib15:47
viveknarasimhanplease feel free to let me know where I could help15:47
mrsmithall: what about the SNAT add/remove/scheduling ?15:48
Swami_viveknarasimhan: sure we will work with you on this, once you finish up the current work, or else you can also help on the scheduler side.15:48
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Swami_viveknarasimhan: armax: murali: any updates on the scheduler15:49
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viveknarasimhanarmax , are you there?15:49
viveknarasimhanlet me give update then:15:49
Swami_viveknarasimhan: go ahead15:50
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viveknarasimhanarmax refactoring some part of scheduler15:50
armaxSwami_, viveknarasimhan the patch has been updated15:50
armaxand it is current15:50
viveknarasimhanpredominantly it was inheriting both L3 DB and was getting inherited to ML2 Plugin15:50
viveknarasimhanwhich puts it into cyclic issues15:50
viveknarasimhanso we removed scheduler direct dependence on L3 DB and all calls15:51
armaxviveknarasimhan: yes, that’s being taken care of15:51
viveknarasimhanare throuh l3-plugin15:51
viveknarasimhanfrom the dvr scheduler15:51
viveknarasimhanarmax, pls go ahead15:51
armaxviveknarasimhan: I don’t have anything else to add on the l3 sched15:52
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viveknarasimhanwe have proceed with scheduler UT, like 30% complete15:52
Swami_armax: viveknarasimhan: thanks for the updates15:52
viveknarasimhanremaining 70% coverage is ongoing15:52
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Swami_So for this week, let us focus on the "router conversion" patch15:52
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Swami_Also address any upstream review comments for the current non-merged patches.15:53
Swami_#topic Open Discussions15:54
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Swami_Any other topic that we wanted to discuss here.15:54
Rajeev_Swami_: DVR testing15:55
Rajeev_including Tempest and Gate15:55
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Swami_Rajeev_: yes15:55
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Rajeev_can someone give an update please ?15:55
Swami_Once all our patches have landed into the upstream, they will open up the gate testing for the dvr15:56
Swami_armax: was working on it.15:56
armaxSwami_: there are a number of patches I pushed to add an experimental check job15:56
Swami_armax: do you have any update on the process on what is test it tempest, gate and others.15:56
armaxwaiting on patches to merge15:57
armaxhang on15:57
armaxlemme find the links15:57
armaxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/98235/15:57
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armaxthis is passing against dvr currently15:57
armaxso that’s great15:57
armaxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/106902/15:57
armaxthis one is the experimental job that tests dvr15:57
Rajeev_armax: thank you15:57
armaxthis depends on:15:58
armaxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/106901/15:58
armaxand:15:58
armaxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/103180/15:58
armaxso we need people helping review/approve these ones15:58
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armaxonce we do and DVR is all in trunk15:58
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Swami_armax: thanks for the update15:58
armaxwe can kick a job doing ‘recheck experimental'15:58
armaxon the Gerrit review15:58
armaxand we’ll kick off a DVR-based tempest run15:59
Swami_Yes we will take a look at those patches.15:59
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haleybi am seeing a problem using that dev devstack patch to get it up and running with mode=dvr_snat, stephen thinks it might just be something missing from that patch as his hand-created devstack install works15:59
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Swami_armax: What is "recheck experimental" - my ignorance15:59
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armaxlet’s take this offline16:00
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SukhdevTime check16:00
armaxSwami_: if that’s ok16:00
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armaxSukhdev: we’re out of the way :_)16:00
Swami_armax: thanks for the update16:00
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Swami_we are at the end of the hour16:00
armaxbye folks16:00
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Swami_Thanks everyone for joing the meeting.16:00
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mrsmithbye16:00
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Swami_#endmeeting16:00
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trinathsHi16:01
shivharishi16:01
SukhdevHello ML2'ers16:01
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Sukhdev#startmeeting networking_ml216:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 23 16:02:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2'16:02
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Sukhdevrkukura: are you here?16:02
Sukhdev#topic Agenda16:02
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Sukhdev#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Agenda16:03
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emaganahi folks!16:03
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Sukhdev#topic Announcements16:03
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Sukhdev#info: Juno-2 is tomorrow16:04
Sukhdevhttps://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-216:04
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SukhdevSpec approvals for Juno deadline is passed now16:04
SukhdevWe got bunch of our specs approved and merged16:05
shivharisdo we have any in exception state?16:05
SukhdevI updated the table to reflect it - we will cover it later in the meeting16:05
SukhdevI believe so16:05
mesteryFYI: Juno-2 was just released 25 minutes ago, please don't target bugs to Juno-2 anymore. :)16:05
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Sukhdevmestery: ahead of schedue...16:06
shivharisoops... i targeted one for j2, i thought it was tomorrow16:06
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mesteryshivharis: no worries, just letting you know16:06
shivhariswill back out...16:06
mesteryshivharis: already did that :)16:06
Sukhdevshivharis: was yesterday16:06
mesterySukhdev: We always try to release early :)16:06
shivharismestery: thx16:06
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SukhdevI noticed Rich was on vacation and couple of his specs did not make it16:07
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Sukhdevmestery: can we put those on exception list, please?16:07
mesterySukhdev: At this point, exceptions are going to be very hard to get.16:08
mesterySukhdev: Basically, next to impossible. :)16:08
Sukhdevmestery: His Specs were ready to go...16:08
Sukhdevmestery: he did not let me know he was on vacation, otherwise, I would have followed up for him16:08
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mesteryI've given +2 on them and replied to the list, but no other cores have stepped up to be the second +2 yet.16:09
Sukhdevemagana: can you oblige, please?16:09
emaganaSukhdev: Sure!16:09
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Sukhdevmestery: will that work?16:10
emaganaI just actually -1 one16:10
emaganasorry!16:10
Sukhdevemagana: Opps..16:10
Sukhdevemagana: there are two specs - listed here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tracking_ML2_Subgroup_Reviews#Under_Review16:11
SukhdevAnyways moving on16:11
Sukhdev#info - Name of next release is Kilo16:11
emaganaSukhdev: I will take a look to the other one16:11
Sukhdevemagana: Thanks16:11
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SukhdevAnybody wants to make any announcement?16:12
emaganakilo  :-( w16:12
Sukhdevemagana: as in kilogram, as in 1000's :-)16:12
emaganaSukhdev: still don't like it!16:12
Sukhdevemagana: Hey we are growing - so, think 1000's :)16:12
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Sukhdevemagana: community power - majority rules :-)16:13
banixthis will confuse all Americans16:13
banix:)16:13
Sukhdevbanix: is that a news :-)16:13
banixWill probably get twice as much done16:13
Sukhdevenough fun - lets move on16:13
Sukhdev#topic Bugs16:14
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Sukhdevshivharis: Hi16:14
shivharisneed owner for:https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/132712716:14
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1327127 in neutron "neutron: infinite loop in port create (qpid/ML2 ovs) - Icehouse" [High,Confirmed]16:14
shivharisanyone?16:14
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shivharisthen i will go ahead and assign - be ready16:15
shivharishttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1246737 this needs closing... we decided last meeting..16:15
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1246737 in neutron "ML2 plugin deletes port even if associated with multiple subnets on subnet deletion" [Medium,Confirmed]16:15
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shivharisi seem to get dead silence -16:16
shivharispadkrish?16:16
padkrishshivharis# i will close it, i put a comment there last week to check if anyone has objections16:16
Sukhdevshivharis: sorry was reviewing them :-)16:17
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shivharisthx, padkrish, please go ahead and close this one16:17
shivharishttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/133820216:17
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1338202 in neutron "ML2 plugin update_port changes binding:profile when not changed" [Medium,In progress]16:17
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shivharisper mestery this one will be j3 now16:17
irenabthe fix is pushed for review16:17
padkrishshivharis# sure, will do it...i made the status as "opinion" last week :)16:17
shivharisirenab: i saw that - was hoping a quick turn around on review16:18
shivharisemagana: can u please review 133820216:18
irenabshivharis: me too16:18
emaganashivharis: Yes, I will16:18
shivharisemagana: thanks16:18
shivharishttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1338202 Status?16:19
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1338202 in neutron "ML2 plugin update_port changes binding:profile when not changed" [Medium,In progress]16:19
SukhdevFolks were busy trying to meet the Spec review deadlines - hopefully, we will get more attention this week16:19
shivharisoops typo before...16:19
shivharisi understand - i was hoping to make j2 as well for bugs16:19
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shivharisthats all from me folks... anything that did not make j2 is now j316:20
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Sukhdevshivharis: Thanks16:20
SukhdevAny questions on bugs? or any critical one which we missed?16:20
Sukhdev#topic Spec Reviews16:21
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Sukhdev#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tracking_ML2_Subgroup_Reviews#Under_Review16:21
SukhdevI updated this wiki to reflect all the approved specs16:21
SukhdevPlease update it, if missed any one16:21
SukhdevWe did very well on the approvals16:22
SukhdevI hope we get extension approved for Rich's spec16:22
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Sukhdev#topic: Code Reviews:16:22
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Sukhdev#link: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron,n,z16:23
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SukhdevNow that specs are out of the way, we need to focus on the code reviews16:23
SukhdevKeep in mind 8/20 as the deadline16:23
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SukhdevAny questions on Specs or Code reviews ?16:24
Sukhdev#topic: ML2 Sync16:24
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Sukhdev#link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17fATwZkJEonH0pIb1-mPD0UB5RKnJzcHYqkBesJhirE/edit16:25
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SukhdevFolks, we need volunteers for this16:25
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SukhdevWe need to iron out the approach for this and a clean proposal16:25
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rkukurahi - sorry I’m late16:26
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Sukhdevrkukura: ah ha - you missed all the fun16:26
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shivharisSukhdev: lets talk about the sync stuff next meeting - we were all very busy meeting deadlines16:26
Sukhdevshivharis: sure16:27
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Sukhdevrkukura: we are towards the tail end - want to share some wisdom?16:28
Sukhdev#topic: Open Discussion16:28
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armaxhi16:28
Sukhdevarmax: hi16:28
armaxrkukura and I have talked about ways to improve the handling of port bindings in the ml2 plugin16:28
nlahoutiDoes anybody know who can approve BP for changes in devstack?16:29
armaxin preparation of the hiearchical port bingins16:29
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armaxas well as for improving some of the code structure after the dvr introduction16:29
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Sukhdevnlahouti: #openstack-dev16:29
armaxworking on it, I should be able to push something for review in the next few hours16:30
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rkukuraarmax: great - I’ll review today16:30
armaxrkukura: thanks16:30
armaxI’ll ping you when it’s ready16:30
nlahoutiSukhdev: thx. Do you mean IRC or using the ML?16:30
asomyaI have to sync up with rkukura on the type driver refactor work, the overlay type driver BP is a no go for Juno and we'll be covering those bits in the refactor and Bob's hierarchicical port bindings patch16:31
Sukhdevarmax: we will all jump on it and review it16:31
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Sukhdevnlahouti: IRC16:31
armaxSukhdev: sounds good thanks16:31
rkukuraasomya: yes - have some ideas on that16:31
nlahoutiSukhdev: thanks.16:31
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Sukhdevasomya: I read the comments16:32
Sukhdevasomya: I think merging and collaborating with rkukura's work makes a lot of sense16:33
Sukhdevasomya: I have an interest in this as well - from the Arista driver point of view16:33
SukhdevFolks, any thing else?16:34
asomyaSukhdev: We should sync up soon, considering there's less than a month to deadline16:34
rkukuraLets put something on the agenda to go over the plans for hierarchical port binding and the related BPs next week - and try to nail down a plan before that16:34
Sukhdevasomya: I agree - can you shoot me an email sukhdev@arista.com?16:34
asomyasukhdev: sure16:34
Sukhdevrkukura: Shall I assign you action?16:35
rkukurayes16:35
shivharisasomya: please add shivharis@gmail.com thx16:35
asomyashivharis: sure16:35
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Sukhdev#action: rkukura to put the hierarchical port binding discussion on the agenda for next week's discussion16:36
SukhdevAnything else?16:36
yamamotonothing from me16:37
SukhdevOK folks - lets enjoy the extra time today16:37
Sukhdev#endmeeting16:37
shivharisyeahhhh...16:37
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trinathsbye16:37
asomyabye16:37
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irenabbye16:38
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rkukurabye16:40
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emaganaciao ciao16:42
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vinod1#startmeeting Designate17:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 23 17:00:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is vinod1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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vinod1Who's here?17:00
eankutseo/17:00
betsyo/17:00
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vinod1Kiall and Mugsie are on their way to Seattle.  So I will be doing the meeting today17:01
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vinod1#topic Action Items from last week17:01
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vinod1mugsie to setup etherpad / email thread / hangout for coordinating some talks17:02
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vinod1#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Paris/Presentations17:02
vinod1This wiki page has the abstracts for the current talks and workshop that we plan to submit17:02
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vinod1Feel free to edit or add yourself to the presenters list if something interests you17:02
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eankutsek17:03
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betsyI think Mugsie suggested we have a meeting on Thursday or Friday of this week to discuss17:03
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vinod1The current thinking is to tag team the talks like the last summit17:03
betsyBut I don’t think anything is set up17:03
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vinod1No nothing is setup yet - We can ping mugsie tomorrow to have something setup17:04
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vinod1Anything else before we move on?17:04
vinod1The next action item from last week17:05
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rjrjr_i'm good.17:05
vinod1jaycaz to update zone-and-record-totalcount spec to remove Format 117:05
vinod1Jordan isn't around, but the spec was updated17:05
vinod1He has a WIP review too up17:06
vinod1#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108859/17:06
vinod1mugsie to try get designate listed here too - http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-projects.html17:06
vinod1Looks like mugsie got this done - Designate is listed there now17:06
vinod1http://docs.openstack.org/developer/designate/17:07
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vinod1There are 2 agenda items proposed by Kiall, but he is not here to talk about them.17:08
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vinod1Anybody have anything else on their mind?17:08
rjrjr_vinod1 - where are we at with mini-dns?17:08
vinod1#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/mdns-master17:09
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vinod1Currently notify and functional are done17:09
vinod1What this means is that mdns is able to send out notify's when a zone changes17:10
rjrjr_cool.17:10
vinod1It can also serve up the records (over both tcp and udp) in the storage now when it gets a request17:10
vinod1SOA and NS records are currently not persisted in storage as records17:11
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vinod1Betsy is working on getting that done.17:11
betsyYep17:11
vinod1But the other recordtypes can be fetched through Mdns.  You can actually dig designate's mdns to get the records17:12
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vinod1The things that are remaining are doing AXFR and TSIG's17:12
vinod1I am currently working on AXFR17:12
rjrjr_was there a separate BP to rewrite the backend drivers when mini-dns is working?17:12
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rjrjr_or is that wrapped up in server pools?17:13
vinod1The backend drivers would be rewritten as part of the server pools17:13
eankutseyes17:13
betsyI thought it was part of server pools17:13
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vinod1The TSIG bp is assigned to Kiall - I am not sure of it's status17:13
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rjrjr_great.  sounds like this is moving along.  good job.17:14
vinod1rjrjr_: You mentioned sometime back that you would like to work on serverpools - is that still true?17:14
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rjrjr_i'm signed up for several pieces of it.17:14
rjrjr_hoping to get details M-T next week.17:15
betsyYeah. I guess we’ll get it all figured out and assigned then17:15
rjrjr_and all those changes that were happening to the code to conform to the latest libraries (cannot remember which library in particular) are those done?17:15
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rjrjr_the changes that checked for code compliance...17:16
vinod1are you talking about hacking?17:16
rjrjr_that is it.17:16
rjrjr_are those changes done?17:16
rjrjr_(i was waiting for that to finish so i could start working on bug fixes again.)17:16
betsyI see one submission waiting for approval17:17
betsyhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/108391/17:17
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vinod1I will look at that today - and get it done shortly17:17
rjrjr_great!17:18
vinod1Feel free to ping on the IRC too if you are waiting for any other reviews to happen17:18
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rjrjr_i was going to attempt to submit my changes for managed fixed IPs one more time...17:19
betsyLooks like several other hacking changes have alreayd merged17:19
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vinod1Last call for things on your mind17:20
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betsyI’m good17:21
vinod1If not see you all at the midsummit next week17:21
eankutsesafe trip all17:21
rjrjr_talk to everyone on Friday!17:21
vinod1#endmeeting17:21
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SlickNik#startmeeting trove18:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 23 18:02:45 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:02
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SlickNikAgenda at:18:03
SlickNik#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting18:03
annashen_o/18:03
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SlickNikNotes from previous meeting at:18:03
SlickNik#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-07-16-18.02.html18:03
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SlickNikNo Action items per se, so moving on to the agenda items.18:04
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SlickNik#topic Juno-2 cut18:05
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SlickNikWe cut the trove juno-2 release this morning.18:05
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SlickNik#link https://github.com/openstack/trove/releases/tag/2014.2.b218:06
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SlickNik#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/juno-218:06
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annashen_nice work!18:06
SlickNikI've rolled over the work-items (bugs/bps) that didn't make it to the cut to juno-3.18:06
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cp16netw00t18:07
mattgriffin+118:07
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SlickNikWe got quite a few bps / bugfixes in — so thanks to you all for your hard work on it!18:07
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SlickNik*high fives all around*18:08
SlickNikLet's keep the momentum going into juno-3.18:08
SlickNikKeep those reviews coming! :)18:08
cp16nethells ya18:08
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SlickNikAnyone else have anything to add for this?18:09
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amrithgood job SlickNik!18:10
amrithkudos to all!18:10
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SlickNikThanks amrith.18:11
SlickNikTo juno-3, and beyond!18:11
SlickNik#topic Doc Scrub Update18:11
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SlickNikJust a reminder to folks to keep the momentum going on this one.18:12
SlickNikThere are quite a few patches up for review to tackle some of this already.18:12
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SlickNikThanks to folks who put them up, and for folks stepping up to review them.18:13
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SlickNikA couple of areas that still need some love are the deployment guide, and API docs.18:13
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SlickNikHope to see patches for them up soon as well.18:14
laurelmfyi, my swift item (deployment/install guide) is currently mired in a docbook infrastructure issue that anne is working on, but we don't have the answer yet. in progress tho.18:15
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SlickNiklaurelm: ah, okay thanks for the update. Keep us informed of any ETA on when a fix for that will be available.18:16
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laurelmslicknik: will do18:16
vipuli'll try to get some API docs patches up soon..18:16
amrithSlickNik, I'm mired in the doc of the guest images18:17
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SlickNikvipul / amrith: +118:17
amrithwill keep you updated on progress18:17
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SlickNikI know folks have been busy with juno-2 work items. :) But didn't want us to lose track of progress on this.18:18
SlickNikThat's all I had for this — anyone want to add anything else?18:18
SlickNik.18:18
SlickNikLet's move on.18:18
SlickNik#topic Flavor UUIDs18:18
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amrithOK, I added this in the morning.18:19
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SlickNik#link https://launchpad.net/bugs/133385218:19
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1333852 in trove "Trove does not support flavor UUIDs" [Medium,In progress]18:19
amrithbased on a conversation with adam_g, who I believe is here.18:19
adam_gheya18:19
amrithadam, would you like to explain why you'd like this change.18:19
adam_gsure18:19
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adam_gthe ironic team is currently working on getting increasd tempest test coverage of a devstack deployed ironic environment18:20
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adam_git so happens that the baremetal nova flavor created by devstack uses an autogenerated uuid for the ID of the created flavor18:20
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adam_gcausing tempest.api.database.flavors.test_flavors.DatabaseFlavorsTest to no longer pass18:21
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cp16netoh i think this was something we knew* about for a while now...18:21
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adam_gthe bug was opened ~1 month ago by someone else18:22
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adam_give proposed a change to devstack to workaround the issue by using an integer ID for the flavor, but this is less than ideal and NACKed by QA folk18:22
amrithso, if I may pick up the string18:22
adam_ghttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/107814/18:22
cp16nethmm wonder if there is another bug in there somewhere thats like 2 years old ;)18:22
amrithI understand the issue of not changing the API.18:22
amrithbut would it (and I'm asking out of profound ignorance here) be OK to add a field to the view?18:22
amrithwhat if we added uuid? without the conversion?18:23
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amrithwould that satisfy the two competing desires; having the UUID exposed and not breaking the API contract?18:23
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SlickNikamrith: I think that's what grapex suggests if you scroll down to the comments at the bottom of the bug.18:23
amrithit is cheesy; I agree.18:23
kevinconwaywhat happens to the current id when it isn't an integer?18:24
amrithsorry, hadn't see that. I proposed this in the agenda in the morning (but I feel better knowing that he suggested it).18:24
grapexkevinconway: It raises an exception18:24
cp16netits just a string18:24
grapexand you get a 50018:24
amrithkevinconway, we'd return some indicator in the uuid field18:24
amrithor an error18:24
amcrni'm ok with adding a "uuid" field as grapex suggests18:24
SlickNikamrith: It's a bit hacky, and you'd need change the code to identify flavors with either the id or the uuid.18:24
grapexkevinconway: Sorry, I thought you meant what happens now. Yeah if we add a uuid which is a string I say if the number isn't an int we return None for the id field.18:24
grapexRather than sometimes return a string for the ID. Then yo have people not knowing what it should be18:25
amrithwell, the code right now appears to convert something to an integer and happily return it18:25
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SlickNikbut it totally sucks that the API barfs with a 500 today, if nova has a flavor that has a UUID.18:25
amrithso I'm assuming that whatever comes in is convert'able to int18:25
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kevinconwayyeah, uuid's have alpha chars18:25
amrithyes, so does the current code hurl if it gets one of those?18:26
grapexamrith: yep18:26
amrithwould we want to continue to hurl if we added a uuid column?18:26
amrithbecause, if the answer is yes, we've not solved the problem18:26
kevinconwayi don't think 500 is a part of the contract18:26
SlickNikamrith: no18:26
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grapexamrith: No. So I think we have two choices on what to do for the "id" field if the actual value is a string18:27
grapex1) return "null"18:27
grapex2) return the actual string instead of the int18:27
amcrnif it's an int, continue returning "id", if it's a uuid, return "uuid" field18:28
grapexto me 1) is clearer18:28
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grapexin all cases we should return uuid as a string18:28
amcrnwhere if it's an int, uuid also contains the id18:28
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amcrncorrect18:28
grapexamcrn: I guess then we also have 3) don't return the id field at all18:28
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amcrnif int, return "id": 7, "uuid": "7"; if it's a uuid, return "uuid": "1-2-3-4"18:29
grapexsince if you're using GUIDs for IDs it is useless to you anyway18:29
cp16netso "id" will return the int (if it exists) and "uuid" return the string repr18:29
kevinconwayis not returning id an options?18:29
icchai dont think we can remove fields18:29
vipulif you don't return the id isn't that breaking?18:29
amrithgrapex, amcrn wouldn't that last idea (not return id) break the contract18:29
icchaso id has to always be returned18:29
grapexiccha: You're right18:29
grapexamrith: you too18:29
amcrnwhat i've proposed follows the existing behavior18:29
grapexthough it is kind of ridiculous to have to return a field that people wouldn't be using18:29
SlickNikkevinconway: I don't think so - I think that would be an API change.18:29
grapexI think returning "null" is the only way then to stay close to the contract18:30
amrithI volunteered to do this (I still do). so for my own edification, may I summarize?18:30
amrith1. add a uuid18:30
amrith2. return uuid always (as a string)18:30
amrith3. if uuid converts to an integer, return it in the current id field18:30
amrith4. if uuid won't convert, return None in id18:30
amrith<end of proposal>18:30
amcrni don't agree with 418:30
amrithsorry18:31
cp16netcould we make the id: -1 or 0? since it should be an int?18:31
amrith4. return Null?18:31
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amcrndon't return the field at all18:31
icchapeople use 0 cp16net18:31
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amcrnaka ==> [11:29:15]  <amcrn> if int, return "id": 7, "uuid": "7"; if it's a uuid, return "uuid": "1-2-3-4"18:31
grapexamcrn: but if we don't return none for id, and instead just don't have it, isn't that a contract break?18:31
amcrnno, because there was no contract if it was a uuid, because it 500'd18:31
grapexamcrn: Agree...18:31
grapexmaybe we just tell people we return None but actually don't return it at all since we all know its dumb18:32
amrithah, amcrn hits nail on head18:32
grapexamcrn: How about we return mu18:32
kevinconwayunless we _want_ to consider server errors a part of the API contract18:32
amrithso, amcrn what is your proposal for #4?18:32
kevinconwaywould reduce the number of bugs to fix18:32
amcrnlol @kevinconway18:32
SlickNikkevinconway: lol18:32
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grapexkevinconway: lol18:32
SlickNikSo this has implications to trove-create as well. So are we now saying that we support creating instances by either passing in flavor id or uuid?18:32
grapexHey don't fix those, our users like those 500s18:33
grapexSlickNik: I think on the create we can accept an int or a string18:33
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vipuli think it's already a string in the case of create18:33
vipulsince it can be a 'ref'18:33
amrithvipul, grapex +118:33
SlickNikah, in that case — carry on18:33
icchayeah and other places where we reference flavors, it will be two cols to check18:33
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vipuldo we need to make any Horizon changes?18:33
vipulis there a panel that does a flavor-list?18:34
amrithamcrn, what would you do if id was not convert'able to int?18:34
kevinconwayiccha: i think it's still one collumn18:34
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amcrnamrith: you don't return the id field18:34
amrithok18:34
abramleyvipul - horizon pulls in the flavor list into a bunch of choice boxes18:34
amrith1. add a uuid.18:34
amrith2. return uuid always (as a string).18:34
amrith3. if uuid converts to an integer, return it in the current id field.18:34
amrith4. if uuid won't convert, don't return id.18:34
amrith<end of proposal>18:34
vipulabramley: I suppose all those places will need to check if what got returned is a id or uuid18:34
amcrnvipul: it should definitely be uprev'd to use the uuid, because if the id is conditionally available, that won't be good.18:35
vipulamcrn: we could just always use uuid i suppose18:35
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kevinconwayvipul: or we can start standardizing on uuid18:35
SlickNikamcrn: I agree — safest to change it to always use uuid18:35
abramleyvipul - I had been wondering if we should switch hotizon to use the nova flavor-list18:35
vipulnooooo18:35
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amcrnabramley: hiss booo hiss ;)18:35
vipuli think we have plans to manage flavors independenty18:36
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grapexvipul: =118:36
grapex+118:36
cp16netyeah i think trove needs to18:36
cp16net+118:36
amcrnword18:36
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SlickNikabramley: tread carefully.18:36
SlickNikhere be dragons :)18:36
amcrnwhich they were recently talking about on the mailing list (tagging flavors to services)18:36
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abramleyvipul - in that case we need the api's to manage those flavors18:36
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vipulyea there is a BP out there.. may even be started by someone and dropped on the floor18:37
grapexabramley: You mean do more than list them?18:37
cp16netgrapex: probably as an admin18:37
cp16netmakes sense18:37
amcrnnot to be a bother, but this conversation is tangential to the agenda item18:37
abramleygrapex - you can create / delete flavors today in horizon for nova18:37
SlickNikvipul: I think I've seem something.18:37
SlickNikamcrn: +118:37
SlickNikSo we have a clear path forward for this work item then.18:38
amrithamcrn, I'd like to see if it uncovers any other things that must be done18:38
amrith(or not)18:38
amrithSlickNik has spoken. so it has been written, so it shall be done.18:38
cp16netamrith: there maybe other things that this causes a problem18:38
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* amrith quickly erases all that was written18:39
cp16netbut now we have defined the goal18:39
adam_gthanks for dedicating meeting time to this, everyone :)18:39
kevinconwayamrith: And As It Is Such, So Also As Such Is It Unto You18:39
SlickNikadam_g: not a problem. I think amrith has a path forward for a fix to this that doesn't make a breaking API change.18:40
amrithok, that works for me. let me get something working that does the four things I said. and I'll try and understand waht kevinconway said ;)18:40
SlickNikAny additional issues that come up, we can tackle when they come up as part of the code-review / tests.18:40
amriththx adam_g18:40
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adam_gamrith, thanks for driving !18:41
amriththe plan: 1. add a uuid18:41
amrith<amrith> 2. return uuid always (as a string)18:41
amrith<amrith> 3. if uuid converts to an integer, return it in the current id field18:41
amrith<amrith> 4. if uuid won't convert, return None in id18:41
amrithnp18:41
SlickNikI think we're scrapping 4 — from our earlier discussion18:41
SlickNikso 4. if uuid won't convert don't return id18:41
SlickNikIf I understood correctly18:42
amrithsorry, wrong cut/paste18:42
amrith1. add a uuid.18:42
amrith2. return uuid always (as a string).18:42
amrith3. if uuid converts to an integer, return it in the current id field.18:42
amrith4. if uuid won't convert, don't return id.18:42
amrith<end of proposal>18:42
kevinconway???18:42
kevinconway5. Profit?18:42
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SlickNiklol kevinconway18:42
SlickNikSounds good.18:42
amrith5. Fun or profit.18:42
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SlickNik#topic Open Discussion18:43
amrithSlickNik, I'm all set.18:43
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SlickNikThanks amrith, and adam_g :)18:43
SlickNikDid anyone have anything for open discussion?18:43
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amrithyes18:44
amrithdoes anyone know who Longgeek is?18:44
amrithhe's the current owner of this bug18:44
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amrithI'll take that as a no.18:45
amriththx18:45
SlickNikOkay then.18:45
SlickNik#endmeeting18:45
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amriththx SlickNik18:45
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SlickNikThanks everyone!18:45
cp16netthx18:45
icchathnks!18:45
grapexThanks SlickNik!18:46
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vipulamrith: don't know who that is.. but it's a sweet name18:46
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kgriffsanyone here for the marconi meeting?21:01
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* kgriffs watches a tumbleweed blow across the deserted street21:03
kgriffs...21:05
vkmc*cricket*21:06
vkmc*chirping*21:07
kgriffs#startmeeting21:07
openstackkgriffs: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'21:07
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kgriffs#startmeeting marconi21:07
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 23 21:07:21 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is kgriffs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:07
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:07
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'marconi'21:07
kgriffsso I guess we just have a few folks today21:07
kgriffsbut that's OK. At least we have all the most talented, most important, most amazing team members here. ;)21:08
kgriffsnot to say those who didn't come aren't talented or amazing....21:09
kgriffshmmm. I better shut up before he digs himself into a deeper hole. :p21:09
kgriffsaaaanyway21:09
kgriffsvkmc, flwang: o/21:09
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flwangkgriffs: o/21:09
flwangoh my gosh21:09
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flwangthe meeting time is changed?21:10
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flwangI was told we will hold the old time21:10
flwanganything i missed?21:10
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kgriffsyeah, I think everyone is thoroughly confused now on the meeting time21:10
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kgriffslet's just cancel this today and chat in #openstack-marconi21:11
kgriffssound OK?21:11
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kgriffsI will send a note to the ML to clarify things21:12
vkmcsounds good!21:12
flwangok21:12
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kgriffs#endmeeting21:14
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