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| dhellmann | #startmeeting oslo | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jun 20 16:01:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | who's around for the oslo meeting? | 16:01 |
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| salv-orlando | aloha | 16:01 |
| viktors | o/ | 16:01 |
| jecarey | o/ | 16:01 |
| dstanek | o/ | 16:01 |
| markmc | hey | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 16:01 |
| sileht | o/ | 16:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | bnemec_away told me he was likely to miss today | 16:02 |
| i159 | Hi | 16:02 |
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| dhellmann | dims, flaper87|afk, victors, rpodolyaka : ping? | 16:02 |
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| zzzeek | hello | 16:02 |
| jd__ | o/ | 16:02 |
| wendar | o/ | 16:02 |
| viktors | dhellmann: here | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | ok, let's get started | 16:03 |
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| dhellmann | #topic review action items from previous meeting | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:03 | |
| dhellmann | #info bnemec sent email to the dev list asking for liaisons to review app-agnostic-logging-parameters https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95281 | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/038027.html | 16:03 |
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| dhellmann | I think that's it for old business | 16:03 |
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| dhellmann | #topic red flags from liaisons | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "red flags from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:04 | |
| dhellmann | do we have any urgent issues this week? | 16:04 |
| bknudson | can't think of anything for keystone | 16:04 |
| markmc | dhellmann, hit refresh on your wiki page | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | thanks, markmc | 16:04 |
| markmc | np | 16:04 |
| * markmc just added a few things | 16:04 | |
| i159 | so I have the blocker patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93398/ needed by Keystone ) | 16:05 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, o/ here as well | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | hi, morganfainberg | 16:05 |
| markmc | asking liasons to take a look at oslo-config-generator | 16:05 |
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| markmc | #link https://review.openstack.org/100946 - oslo-config-generator | 16:05 |
| markmc | will get a spec up next week | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | thanks, markmc | 16:05 |
| * dhellmann fights the cat away from his sandwich so he can type again | 16:05 | |
| dhellmann | we had some good feedback on https://review.openstack.org/95281 - Add spec for app-agnostic-logging-parameters | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | I think I've replied to jogo's comments | 16:06 |
| bknudson | I think now that oslo.db is lib keystone can make progress with i159 patches (I assume that's Ilya) | 16:06 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: excellent | 16:06 |
| i159 | bknudson: yes it's me | 16:06 |
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| dhellmann | so, if the liaisons could review those two specs again, that would help us get them approved by the end of next week | 16:07 |
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| dhellmann | #topic adoption status | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-adoption-status | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "adoption status (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:08 | |
| i159 | That patch is Roman's code. Keystone could become better soon with this test case. | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | it looks like there has been some progress in neutron on oslo.messaging | 16:08 |
| markmc | neutron oslo.messaging, yay ihar ! :) | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | indeed! | 16:08 |
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| salv-orlando | dhellmann: main patch merged, there is a string of minor patches to merge yet | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | #info making progress on neutron/oslo.messaging | 16:08 |
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| salv-orlando | completion of blueprint for juno-2 is on target | 16:09 |
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| dhellmann | salv-orlando: do you foresee any issues aside from reviewer bandwidth? | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | ok, good | 16:09 |
| salv-orlando | not really. And me mestery and markmcclain are regurarly reviewing these patches | 16:09 |
| markmc | dhellmann, I suspect it's pretty much functionally done now | 16:10 |
| markmc | i.e. neutron works with oslo.messaging | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | great, that makes me happy :-) | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | next up, heat | 16:10 |
| markmc | the patches looks like they're just unwinding some compat layering | 16:10 |
| markmc | salv-orlando, right ? | 16:10 |
| salv-orlando | markmc: correct | 16:10 |
| salv-orlando | the main port has been done. | 16:10 |
| markmc | salv-orlando, awesome | 16:10 |
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| dhellmann | \o/ | 16:11 |
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| markmc | therve asked me to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100457/ | 16:11 |
| markmc | (Use oslo.messaging to publish log errors) | 16:11 |
| markmc | suspect that's related to the heat port | 16:11 |
| markmc | didn't get to it today | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | ok, we should add that to our review priority list if it's blocking heat | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | do we have a trove patch series, yet? | 16:13 |
| markmc | not that I've seen | 16:13 |
| * markmc looks again | 16:13 | |
| dhellmann | yeah, I don't see anything attached to the blueprint | 16:13 |
| markmc | oh, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94484/ | 16:14 |
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| markmc | "Updates RPC API to use oslo.messaging" | 16:14 |
| markmc | for this blueprint? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/rpc-versioning | 16:14 |
| markmc | hmm | 16:14 |
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| dhellmann | I was looking at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/oslo-messaging | 16:14 |
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| markmc | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove-rpc-versioning | 16:15 |
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| markmc | "Get Trove on the same page w/ other projects + oslo" | 16:15 |
| markmc | seems like some blueprint overlap alright | 16:16 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I've added those links to the etherpad to make them easier to find again | 16:16 |
| markmc | cool | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | I think that's it for oslo.messaging, so pressing on... | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | #topic oslo.db graduation status | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | #info version 0.2.0 was released this week! | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.db graduation status (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:17 | |
| dhellmann | congratuations victors and rpodolyaka ! | 16:17 |
| zzzeek | woop | 16:17 |
| bknudson | when's 1.0 | 16:17 |
| rpodolyaka | \o/ | 16:17 |
| rpodolyaka | :) | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | oops, viktors, sorry | 16:17 |
| viktors | np :) | 16:17 |
| bknudson | also, is this one good for projects to use? | 16:17 |
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| rpodolyaka | bknudson: it should be | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: this version is suitable for projects to start adopting, and we'll release a 1.0 at the end of this cycle | 16:18 |
| i159 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77210/ looks good here | 16:18 |
| rpodolyaka | bknudson: don't hesitate do file any bugs you run into, though :) | 16:18 |
| bknudson | I assume nobody's using it? | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/VersioningPolicy | 16:18 |
| salv-orlando | dhellmann: good to know. Neutron has already a dev lined up for the porting. | 16:18 |
| viktors | bknudson: not yet, it was release only yesterday :) | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: it's brand new, so I don't think there's anything official yet, but some projects have started working on the port | 16:18 |
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| bknudson | i159: were you planning to do the changes for keystone to use oslo.db? | 16:19 |
| * dhellmann adds oslo.db to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-adoption-status | 16:19 | |
| bknudson | we should probably have a spec in keystone to track it | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | that makes sense | 16:20 |
| zzzeek | i do have a goal to do a more deep and detailed review of oslo.db, but I’m waiting to get to it somewhat organically as I am just learning to use openstack and get into nova’s source | 16:21 |
| bknudson | i159: oh, that's the review you pointed to! | 16:21 |
| i159 | bknudson: There is the patch which done some critical changes, which I mentioned a few lines ago | 16:21 |
| viktors | bknudson: are you lookin for this i159 patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77210/ ? | 16:21 |
| i159 | bknudson: yes | 16:21 |
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| dhellmann | zzzeek: thanks, that's good to hear | 16:21 |
| zzzeek | certainly if neutron or nova port to it that will make it easier | 16:21 |
| bknudson | sweet | 16:21 |
| zzzeek | i started a bit on trying to work in the transactional testing port for nova but this week I got caught up just getting better openstack run environments going | 16:22 |
| bknudson | +28, -2959 is what I like to see | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 16:22 |
| zzzeek | things move slowly with OS which is good b.c. this is taking awhile on my end :) | 16:22 |
| i159 | zzzeek: can we take this list as a plan? | 16:22 |
| zzzeek | i159: when you say “this list".... | 16:22 |
| i159 | zzzeek: I mean Nova, Neutron | 16:23 |
| zzzeek | i159: oh. Well im looking at nova the most since it seems to be where the DB patterns originated | 16:23 |
| rpodolyaka | true | 16:23 |
| rpodolyaka | we are going to port Nova and Neutron to oslo.db soon | 16:23 |
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| zzzeek | also I get to talk to russell bryant all day and he’s on nova specifically | 16:23 |
| rpodolyaka | probably next week :) | 16:23 |
| zzzeek | he’s sort of my sherpa at redhat | 16:24 |
| i159 | so, Nova is the first candidate? | 16:24 |
| viktors | no, Ironic | 16:24 |
| rpodolyaka | i159: akurilin is already working on that | 16:24 |
| i159 | rpodolyaka: ok, I see | 16:24 |
| rpodolyaka | i159: and I'm going to help with neutron | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | viktors, rpodolyaka : would you help keep track of who is doing the work in each project by adding names to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-adoption-status please? | 16:24 |
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| viktors | dhellmann: ok, sure | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | viktors: thanks | 16:25 |
| * dhellmann is gaining a better understanding of how ttx must feel tracking all of the openstack projects | 16:25 | |
| i159 | viktors: Ironic already have a patch. Is it? | 16:25 |
| viktors | i159: yes, see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42159/ | 16:26 |
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| dhellmann | is there anything else on oslo.db? | 16:26 |
| bknudson | great job on this | 16:26 |
| devananda | dhellmann: i've a few things, but they are at the end of the agenda, i think | 16:26 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: yeah, I have those on the list of review priorities | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | ok, then | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | #topic oslo.i18n graduation status | 16:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.i18n graduation status (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:27 | |
| dhellmann | It would be good to get 0.1.0 released next week, since we have so many other new libraries depending on this. | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | there's one more patch I would like to land before we release, the one to fix the docs | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/96961 | 16:28 |
| markmc | the docs look great, btw | 16:28 |
| markmc | that should clear up a lot of confusion | 16:28 |
| markmc | the one I came across was whether to use _() or _LE() with LOG.exception() | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we've started seeing push-back on making the logging changes, so I want to get those docs published asap | 16:28 |
| markmc | I'm guessing the latter? | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | it depends on whether the exception is logged and raised or just logged | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | I need to make that case explicit, if I haven't already | 16:29 |
| markmc | like LOG.exception(_(..)) or LOG.exception(_LE()) | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | basically, all _() messages will be translated, so exceptions should use those | 16:29 |
| markmc | not sure that depends? | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | but logging errors that aren't raised as exceptions should use _LE() | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | so I guess that doesn't depend | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 16:29 |
| markmc | right, the language just confused mikal I think | 16:29 |
| * markmc wasn't totally sure either | 16:29 | |
| bknudson | I think LOG.exception is just a small wrapper (helper function) | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann clarify language about when to use _() vs. _LE() | 16:30 |
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| bknudson | I assume it just LOG.error with exception info | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: it includes the traceback, IIRC | 16:30 |
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| bknudson | right, you can get the traceback with any LOG.xxx | 16:30 |
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| dhellmann | thanks, markmc | 16:30 |
| markmc | dhellmann, figure I'll do a1 of oslo.messaging early next week | 16:30 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, ++ | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | markmc: ok | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: true | 16:31 |
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| bknudson | since it logs at error I'd expect _LE() | 16:31 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: we have some places where people build a message, log an exception, then raise. For that case, they need to use _(). Otherwise, use _LE(). | 16:32 |
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| dhellmann | I'll add some more examples to the docs | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | #topic release review | 16:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release review (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:33 | |
| dhellmann | We have 4 libraries ready for new releases. I’ve been holding off until the alpha release publishing stuff was working, but I think we’re ready to go now. | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | make that 5, since markmc added oslo.messaging | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | I set up etherpads to track the release notes for each library | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | #info stevedore 1.0.0.0a1 | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stevedore-1.0.0 | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | #info oslotest 1.1.0.0a1 | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslotest-1.1.0 | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | #info oslo.config 1.4.0.0a1 | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo.config-1.4.0 | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | #info oslosphinx 2.2.0.0a1 | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslosphinx-2.2.0 | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | #info oslo.messaging 1.4.0a1 | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo.messaging-1.4.0 | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | we will have lots of opportunities to make more alphas, so I don't think there's any need to hold these up | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | are there any other releases we should be planning for monday? | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | for example, are we ready for another oslo.db? :-) | 16:34 |
| viktors | not yet ) | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | ok, I would have been surprised if you said yes :-) | 16:35 |
| rpodolyaka | we haven't merged anything new, I think | 16:35 |
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| dhellmann | I have mentioned the impending releases during the release meeting this week, but liaisons keep an eye out for any issues that might come up with the new versions in your projects | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | we haven't fixed up the cross-project unit test gating, so that's where I would expect issues to surface | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | any questions from liaisons on that? | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | ok, then, let's talk about review priorities | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | #topic review priorities for this week | 16:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review priorities for this week (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:38 | |
| dhellmann | #info db migration test issues (devananda) | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1327397 | 16:38 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1327397 in nova "No notice given when db migrations are not run due to missing engine" [Low,Fix committed] | 16:38 |
| flashgordon | if there are any issues that arise in the gate from the alphas don't forget to file elastic-recheck patches | 16:38 |
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| dhellmann | flashgordon: good point, thanks for the reminder | 16:38 |
| devananda | dhellmann: that one ^ is still present in oslo.db, afaict | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | devananda: ok | 16:39 |
| devananda | dhellmann: because tests iterate over self.engines, without concern to whether that's an empty list | 16:39 |
| viktors | this shuld be fixed by patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93424/ , but at the moment Ironic use it's own implementation, instead of oslo code | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | is there a patch in progress for it? | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93424/ | 16:39 |
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| * devananda adds taht to his review queue | 16:39 | |
| dhellmann | viktors: are the implementations very different? | 16:39 |
| viktors | at the moment - almost equal, but we suppose to use "opportunistic" approach in the future | 16:40 |
| viktors | so this path refactors migration tests | 16:40 |
| devananda | ironic and nova migration test code is very similar to oslo-incubator code | 16:40 |
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| dhellmann | viktors: ok, as long as we don't hold up fixing it for a feature addition | 16:41 |
| viktors | yes, because ironic ann oslo took this code from nova | 16:41 |
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| viktors | devananda: ^ | 16:41 |
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| dhellmann | makes sense | 16:41 |
| devananda | second bug there is also coming from the same inherited code - https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1328997 | 16:41 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1328997 in nova "Unit test failure: openstack_citest" is being accessed by other users\nDETAIL: There are 1 other session(s) using the database." [Critical,In progress] | 16:42 |
| * dhellmann didn't notice those were different numbers | 16:42 | |
| viktors | this bug was caused, by different approaches in the database testing in Nova | 16:42 |
| devananda | i believe that that is *not* fixed in oslo.db - only a partial fix was landed | 16:42 |
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| devananda | but I can not change the bug status | 16:42 |
| rpodolyaka | this will be fixed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93424/ too | 16:42 |
| viktors | we need to use opportunistic migration test for Nova db migrations to get this bug totally closed | 16:43 |
| i159 | It should be fixed with opportunistic approach | 16:43 |
| devananda | see my discussion with viktors on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99614/ | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | I changed the bug status to triaged | 16:43 |
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| dhellmann | viktors: so patch 93424 will fix both of those bugs? | 16:43 |
| devananda | so while these two bugs affect(ed) nova and ironic, I'm not sure what other projects inherited their db migration test code from oslo-incubator - -I suspect any project which did that will be affected | 16:44 |
| devananda | and wanted to raise that question to ya'll who might know better than I what other projects use the common test code | 16:44 |
| viktors | dhellmann: we have fix in Ironic and nova code and workaround in oslo.db code | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | devananda: I'm sure that's right. The shortest path to the fix might be to put this in oslo.db, and then update the projectss to use oslo.db instead of the broken incubator version | 16:44 |
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| devananda | dhellmann: that's fair, if projects are willing to make that switch soon | 16:45 |
| i159 | dhellmann: with a high probability | 16:45 |
| devananda | dhellmann: fwiw, as soon as ya'll tell me that oslo.db is stable, and I have a couple hours to play with it, i think ironic can switch to it | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | devananda: I'm trying to minimize the number of syncs we have to do, too, since those tend to drag on. | 16:45 |
| devananda | dhellmann: indeed | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | devananda: it should be stable enough to start that work now | 16:45 |
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| rpodolyaka | yeah, it's no really different from the incubator code | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | viktors, we don't anticipate any API changes, right? just improvements and fixes underneath? | 16:46 |
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| dhellmann | right, it's not a new implementation, just new packaging, fixes, etc. | 16:46 |
| viktors | dhellmann: yes, just improvements and fixes | 16:46 |
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| devananda | great. but i dont want to derail this meeting into "when should ironic switch" -- we were talking about bugs :) | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | hep | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | yep | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | I have a few more items to raise before we close out | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | #info notifier middleware security fix | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100414/ | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | oh, hey, that merged when I wasn't looking :-) | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | liaisons, if your project uses the notifier middleware and not oslo.messaging, you should look at ^^ | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | actually, that's a backport, so you probably want it for havana anyway | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | there's also an icehouse version of the patch | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | #info log handler for oslo.messaging notifier (blocking heat) | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100457/ | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | markmc mentioned that one earlier, but repeating here for the meeting logs | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | #info oslo.i18n docs | 16:48 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/96961 | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | that's another repeat | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | does anyone else have anything they would like to add to the review priority list? | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | silence means "no" :-) | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 16:50 |
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| dhellmann | Since we’re spread out across many different time zones, I want to mention a tool I’ve found useful. | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | ZNC is an “IRC bouncer” that you can run on a cloud server, and then connect to as though it was a regular IRC server. | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | It can monitor channels even when you are disconnected, so when you reconnect you see messages people left when you were not online — especially if they mention your nickname. | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | #link http://wiki.znc.in/ZNC | 16:50 |
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| dhellmann | If you combine ZNC with the practice of asking for something specific instead of just pinging people, it makes IRC much more useful. | 16:50 |
| zzzeek | id mention it is often run from docker or some other container as it can kind of be a security point of failure | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | that's good to know | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | I think we're done for today, then. | 16:52 |
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| dhellmann | thanks, everyone! | 16:53 |
| zzzeek | lates | 16:53 |
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| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 16:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:54 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jun 20 16:54:04 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:54 |
| salv-orlando | adieu | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-06-20-16.01.html | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-06-20-16.01.txt | 16:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-06-20-16.01.log.html | 16:54 |
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| rpodolyaka | bye! | 16:54 |
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| i159 | Bye! | 16:54 |
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| viktors | bye! | 16:55 |
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