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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 2 15:01:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samstav. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'satori' | 15:01 |
| gondoi | o/ | 15:02 |
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| samstav | Just gondoi and I at the satori meeting today? | 15:03 |
| gondoi | hhoover: you here? | 15:04 |
| hhoover | o/ | 15:04 |
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| samstav | There's not much on the agenda | 15:05 |
| gondoi | action item is zns too, and he's not making it | 15:05 |
| gondoi | which mailing list was that going to be on? openstack-dev? | 15:05 |
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| gondoi | if so, I missed it | 15:06 |
| samstav | openstack-dev is what I thought | 15:06 |
| gondoi | okay | 15:06 |
| gondoi | wanna action that one again for this week so we can review again | 15:06 |
| gondoi | can't remember who all can action | 15:07 |
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| samstav | yeah, I don't think it went out. That action item has been pushed many times, and I think the perspective gained from Atlanta is still being considered | 15:07 |
| gondoi | okay | 15:07 |
| samstav | #action zns start ML discussion & blueprint for built-in python data plane discovery | 15:07 |
| samstav | #topic windows support | 15:08 |
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| samstav | Nico and I have worked with the ohai windows implementation and have put together a working prototype for dataplane discovery on windows machines | 15:11 |
| samstav | #link https://github.com/rackerlabs/posh-ohai | 15:11 |
| gondoi | awesome | 15:11 |
| gondoi | is nico aware of these meetings? | 15:11 |
| samstav | I believe he attended one in the past… | 15:12 |
| gondoi | okay | 15:12 |
| samstav | I'll encourage him to join next week. | 15:12 |
| samstav | more directly. | 15:12 |
| samstav | Nico is currently working on a submission to satori which will include an extension to our RemoteShell module which enables the windows support. | 15:14 |
| samstav | That working prototype can be found here | 15:14 |
| gondoi | :+1: | 15:14 |
| samstav | #link https://github.com/samstav/satori/tree/windows-support | 15:14 |
| samstav | We are currently running that branch on an internal project | 15:15 |
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| samstav | and gondoi has +1'd that submission before it has even landed. Nico will be glad to hear that | 15:17 |
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| samstav | side note: The windows-support piece will only work on a remote windows box if it is running SMB on port 445 | 15:18 |
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| samstav | and we are looking for folks to help with rackerlabs/posh-ohai and creating windows-specific opinions | 15:20 |
| samstav | another side note, for the record, it would be preferable to join these modules using python code, *rather* than running the psexec communication through a process started using popen | 15:24 |
| samstav | #link https://github.com/samstav/satori/blob/windows-support/satori/pse.py#L155-L159 | 15:24 |
| samstav | I have not looked into the feasibility of this yet. | 15:24 |
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| samstav | I'm not going to action item myself on that until after we get the first iteration of windows support into satori | 15:25 |
| samstav | #topic general discussion | 15:26 |
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| samstav | Anything else? | 15:26 |
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| samstav | going once | 15:28 |
| gondoi | nothing from me | 15:28 |
| samstav | cool. thanks. that's it then. thanks for attending. | 15:28 |
| samstav | until next week. | 15:29 |
| samstav | #endmeeting | 15:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 2 15:29:10 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-06-02-15.01.html | 15:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-06-02-15.01.txt | 15:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-06-02-15.01.log.html | 15:29 |
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| gondoi | thanks samstav | 15:29 |
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| dguitarbite | rl: there? | 16:52 |
| rl | dguitarbite, yup | 16:53 |
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| dguitarbite | rl: take your time to fix the backbone | 16:59 |
| dguitarbite | but dont take too long | 16:59 |
| dguitarbite | theres a good chance I may be really busy over the next few months | 16:59 |
| rl | I won't. Couple of days tops. | 16:59 |
| rl | Good to know. | 16:59 |
| dguitarbite | yep | 16:59 |
| dguitarbite | good to be busy | 16:59 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 2 17:01:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 17:01 |
| sarob | roll call | 17:01 |
| dguitarbite | hello | 17:01 |
| dguitarbite | im here | 17:01 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: evening | 17:01 |
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| sarob | rev morning | 17:02 |
| rl | here | 17:02 |
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| sarob | welcome rl | 17:02 |
| dguitarbite | good day | 17:02 |
| rev | G'Day! | 17:02 |
| dguitarbite | hi sarob, rl | 17:02 |
| sarob | no colinmcnamra? | 17:02 |
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| sarob | okay lets start | 17:03 |
| sarob | #topic action items from last meeting | 17:03 |
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| rev | FYI: I'm multitasking this meeting with a conference call at work. So if I seem incoherent... that's why. ;-) | 17:03 |
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| sarob | whew its alot of stuff | 17:03 |
| matjazp | hi all | 17:03 |
| sarob | hey matjazp | 17:04 |
| sarob | welcome | 17:04 |
| dguitarbite | hello | 17:04 |
| sarob | just started | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | good... was a bit late | 17:04 |
| sarob | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-05-26-17.06.html | 17:04 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: can you start with your actions | 17:04 |
| dguitarbite | yes | 17:05 |
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| dguitarbite | reuse devstack -- https://blueprints.launchpad.net/devstack/+spec/training-labs | 17:05 |
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| dguitarbite | I will be working with rl to make training-labs reuse devstack as much as possible | 17:05 |
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| dguitarbite | mostly Training-Labs Devstack plugin will be the end result | 17:06 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: cool | 17:06 |
| rl | not sure it will work as a plugin, though. | 17:06 |
| dguitarbite | rl: we need to collaborate with Devstack guys for this and decide | 17:07 |
| rl | but devstack has a lot of functionality covered. | 17:07 |
| rl | right. | 17:07 |
| dguitarbite | agree | 17:08 |
| matjazp | rl: but it will integrate current scripts, right? Vagrant and all that... | 17:08 |
| rl | of course. | 17:08 |
| rl | devstack would just be a helper inside the VMs. | 17:08 |
| dguitarbite | action : track progress and update Associate and Operator Guide upto date | 17:08 |
| dguitarbite | I have rough draft ready | 17:08 |
| dguitarbite | but need some more time | 17:08 |
| dguitarbite | for this | 17:08 |
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| dguitarbite | also I am working with guys from install-guide to offshore the installation section and keep the bare skeleton required with us | 17:09 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: cool | 17:09 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite: remember to keep new training developers in mind | 17:09 |
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| dguitarbite | rest of the actions are covered -- vagrant box will be targeted once our scripts are ready | 17:10 |
| matjazp | rl: so it will be based in DevStack.. what about regular install for operators guide? | 17:10 |
| dguitarbite | and I need storage space for .ovs's | 17:10 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: as we bring on new contributors, they likely will be non-developers, rather traditional creators of training materials | 17:10 |
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| rl | matjazp: can you elaborate? | 17:10 |
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| matjazp | rl: inside VMs... you intend to use DevStack scripts for openstack installation.. | 17:11 |
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| rl | matjazp: is your concern the scripts or the results? | 17:11 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: roger that, I will be keeping in mind new developers too. | 17:11 |
| matjazp | rl: result... devstack is a bit different installation than "production" OpenStack | 17:12 |
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| dguitarbite | matjazp: agree | 17:12 |
| dguitarbite | we will be trying to work around that while using Devstack scripts | 17:12 |
| dguitarbite | *I agree | 17:12 |
| rl | matjazp: devstack is just a helper for configuration, we won't install git clones. | 17:13 |
| dguitarbite | since all of the basic stuff is already covered by devstack and it makes it very easy for us to support multiple releases | 17:13 |
| rl | matjazp: just standard icehouse or whatever debs/rpms. | 17:13 |
| matjazp | rl: oh, ok .. | 17:14 |
| rl | devstack is pretty good at writing/editing config files etc. | 17:14 |
| rl | or so it seems. | 17:14 |
| dguitarbite | rl: it is pretty good for configuration | 17:14 |
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| sarob | rl, dguitarbite: all of your action items are good | 17:15 |
| dguitarbite | yep | 17:15 |
| sarob | im working on the training-manuals incubated plan | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: are we moving to stackforge? | 17:17 |
| sarob | im going to discuss with the TC somemore of how they want to see the training project evolve | 17:17 |
| sarob | tfifield is helping | 17:18 |
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| sarob | now i know a bit more of the path forward, i will start pushing for committments from our new contributors | 17:19 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: maybe, maybe not | 17:19 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: we may become a new project under the docs program | 17:19 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: I would like the second one | 17:20 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: me too | 17:20 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: will be the least confusing | 17:20 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: as long as we can start adding new core reviewers | 17:20 |
| dguitarbite | yes | 17:20 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: as soon as possible | 17:20 |
| sarob | just me is not good | 17:21 |
| sarob | as colinmcnamara is out of band right now | 17:21 |
| dguitarbite | I agree | 17:21 |
| rl | sarob: reviewing speed is a concern for the scripts, especially right now. | 17:21 |
| matjazp | sarob: what is the time frame for all this (separate project under docs) | 17:21 |
| sarob | rl is there any reviews pending? | 17:21 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: we had to keep another repo for the time being since we cannot afford to wait till the scripts go through Git-Gerrit review process | 17:21 |
| rl | sarob: nope. we ain't submitting because it would be too slow :-). | 17:21 |
| dguitarbite | we will ofcourse push it | 17:22 |
| dguitarbite | once the urgent work is done | 17:22 |
| sarob | as long as you add me and colinmcnamara as reviewers | 17:22 |
| sarob | ill get to it | 17:22 |
| rl | there's also the problem that reviewers tend to ask for plenty of unrelated work added on top of a patch. | 17:22 |
| matjazp | rl: is producing new versions of scripts faster than I can test them ;) | 17:22 |
| rl | makes it difficult to move forward. | 17:22 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: can you give me your github ID? | 17:23 |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: matjazp | 17:23 |
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| sarob | rl: that shouldnt happen | 17:24 |
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| sarob | we really need to start pushing our work into the training-manuals project rather than private repos | 17:25 |
| rl | I was pretty lucky so far, but I've seen it happen quite often. | 17:25 |
| sarob | without consistant contribution, we will not get incubated by the TC | 17:25 |
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| sarob | private repos will not count | 17:26 |
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| rl | sarob: is there a way to make review fast | 17:26 |
| sarob | assign to me | 17:26 |
| sarob | i am a core reviewer | 17:26 |
| rl | dguitarbite: what do you think? | 17:26 |
| dguitarbite | rl: I think the initial work may be done on another repo | 17:27 |
| sarob | if it passes the tests, i can +2 it on | 17:27 |
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| dguitarbite | but once the basic backbone is in place | 17:27 |
| dguitarbite | we should enforce pushing it on manuals | 17:27 |
| rl | I don't think we have gate tests on training-manuals. do we? | 17:27 |
| dguitarbite | rl: not yet | 17:27 |
| dguitarbite | soon | 17:27 |
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| rl | great. | 17:27 |
| dguitarbite | just XML thing that jenkins does | 17:28 |
| rl | meh. | 17:28 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: I proposed another repository as we had to share code via email which cannot beat VCS | 17:28 |
| rl | It's a start, I guess. We should add some bash tests. | 17:28 |
| dguitarbite | rl: we might re-use what devstack uses | 17:28 |
| dguitarbite | bash8 | 17:29 |
| rl | Yeah, and gmail refuses *.bat files. | 17:29 |
| dguitarbite | similar to pep8 | 17:29 |
| dguitarbite | :D | 17:29 |
| matjazp | rl, dguitarbite: public repos also create more bug reports... and activity is visible, so it matters a lot for incubated projects | 17:29 |
| dguitarbite | https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/tools/bash8.py | 17:29 |
| rl | Unfortunately, it's very, very basic. Shellcheck is quite a bit more advanced. | 17:30 |
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| dguitarbite | ok | 17:30 |
| sarob | rl thats part of the reason for us to ask for a separate repo | 17:30 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: true | 17:30 |
| sarob | rl so we can add our own tests | 17:30 |
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| dguitarbite | rl: let us try to push the code on to training-manuals itselves | 17:31 |
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| rl | dguitarbite: fine. let me just clean up the worst bits. | 17:31 |
| rl | i'll push in a couple of days. | 17:31 |
| dguitarbite | ok | 17:31 |
| sarob | dguitarbite, rl having the code to show contribution and how we are different from docs will be very important to the tc | 17:31 |
| sarob | rl okay | 17:32 |
| rl | it's going to be a rather massive code drop :-). | 17:32 |
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| sarob | rl can you break it up into sections | 17:33 |
| sarob | rl 20 reviews will be much better than 1 | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | rl: I will do the cleanups | 17:33 |
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| dguitarbite | rl: I will let you focus on the new version | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | since I know the old one properly | 17:33 |
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| rl | sarob: when you say sections, what do you have in mind? | 17:34 |
| sarob | rl: ah, bad word. | 17:34 |
| rl | sarob: chronologically, by directory, ... | 17:34 |
| sarob | rl: functional parts of the code | 17:34 |
| sarob | or pages | 17:34 |
| rl | sarob: I guess I can sort of do that. | 17:34 |
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| rl | sarob: but there are lots of interdependencies. | 17:35 |
| sarob | rl: a big dump, will get the other docs core reviewers involved | 17:35 |
| rl | dguitarbite: thanks :-) | 17:35 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: I agree | 17:35 |
| sarob | rl and slow everything down | 17:35 |
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| sarob | rl small bits is good practice for review history too | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite | also the new review guidelines specifically ask for each commit to have single task | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite | so cleanups + adding new functional parts | 17:36 |
| dguitarbite | wont be accepted | 17:36 |
| rl | dguitarbite: all my patches were very much in that fashion. | 17:36 |
| rl | dguitarbite: however, in this case, we are important a code base. | 17:36 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: I will collaborate more with rl on this since there are many dependencies | 17:37 |
| sarob | rl dguitarbite: we need to be good stewards of the CI as it will be verified by the TC as we ask to be incubated | 17:37 |
| rl | s/important/importing/ | 17:37 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite: sounds good | 17:37 |
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| sarob | lets move on | 17:37 |
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| dguitarbite | ok | 17:38 |
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| sarob | #action rl, dguitarbite will move the training infra work into the training repo in small chunks | 17:39 |
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| sarob | #action sarob will be discussing incubation steps with the TC this week | 17:39 |
| sarob | #action sarob will update the incubation plan on the training wiki at the end of the week | 17:39 |
| sarob | #topic other business | 17:40 |
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| sarob | whew | 17:40 |
| sarob | what other business do we have | 17:40 |
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| sarob | moodle update? | 17:40 |
| sarob | anyone from LPI here? | 17:41 |
| matjazp | sarob: nothing new | 17:41 |
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| sarob | update on test question curation? | 17:41 |
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| sarob | i do want to discuss assigning sub-project leads | 17:43 |
| sarob | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Training-guides#Project_Sub-Groups | 17:43 |
| sarob | i propose five sub groups | 17:43 |
| sarob | stable, development, testing, infrastructure, audio visual | 17:43 |
| sarob | ill volunteer for the development sub-group lead | 17:44 |
| sarob | any other volunteers? | 17:44 |
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| sarob | im happy to volunteer you ;) | 17:45 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: wow, our project is maturing | 17:46 |
| rl | I guess I could do infrastructure for the time being. | 17:46 |
| dguitarbite | end of the beginning? | 17:46 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: gotta grow up sometime | 17:46 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: true, I agree with stable, development, testing, infra | 17:46 |
| dguitarbite | I am not sure what will be covered in audio visual? | 17:47 |
| dguitarbite | something like coursera? | 17:47 |
| matjazp | sarob: ok... I can take testing | 17:47 |
| sarob | matjazp: is for test questions, i was thinking moodle would fall under infra | 17:48 |
| dguitarbite | lets put that under action | 17:48 |
| matjazp | sarob: and adapting the materials for academic purpose | 17:48 |
| sarob | matjazp: hmm, separate sub-group? | 17:48 |
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| sarob | matjazp: im good with that if you think it neccessary | 17:49 |
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| matjazp | sarob: maybe... I know I'll try to use all this stuff nex semester (Oct 2014) | 17:49 |
| sarob | matjazp i was thinking that academic was just another audience | 17:49 |
| dguitarbite | I will take up stable and infra. I believe that with the VirtualBox tools and Training Scripts I wont be doing much development | 17:49 |
| sarob | matjazp that would need probably slides and more theory, but very similar to the rest of the audiences | 17:50 |
| matjazp | sarob: could be... maybe also make a set of basic PPTs for reuse? | 17:50 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: I can help with making of PPT's | 17:51 |
| sarob | matjazp up to you, right now maven makes html and pdf | 17:51 |
| dguitarbite | I have existing PPT's which needs some basic touch ups | 17:51 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: maven is good for ppt's | 17:51 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: do you want animation n stuff in your ppts? | 17:51 |
| sarob | matjazp, dguitarbite: we have the outstanding plan to create the slidedeck mgmt app | 17:52 |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: no, not right away | 17:52 |
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| sarob | okay so we have | 17:52 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: kool | 17:52 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: ok | 17:52 |
| dguitarbite | I got the basic PPT's that could act as kickstarter | 17:53 |
| sarob | #action development sub-group lead sarob | 17:53 |
| dguitarbite | #action stable sub-group lead dguitarbite | 17:53 |
| sarob | #action rl, dguitarbite sub-group infra leads | 17:53 |
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| sarob | #action matjazp testing sub-group lead | 17:53 |
| dguitarbite | leaves audio-visual | 17:54 |
| sarob | #action audio visual lead TBD | 17:54 |
| dguitarbite | I could help you guys with some music tracks ;) | 17:54 |
| dguitarbite | for audio visual | 17:54 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: maybe next time :) | 17:54 |
| sarob | anything else people? | 17:54 |
| matjazp | sarob: pics and diagrams are usually made when making PPTs | 17:54 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: just kidding | 17:55 |
| matjazp | sarob: is audio/visual subgroup necesarry? | 17:55 |
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| matjazp | sarob: could't that be just part of materials | 17:55 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: I guess after a while it would be brilliant gateway drug to heavier training stuff | 17:55 |
| sarob | matjazp: maybe not. it is different enough skills and time put in. | 17:56 |
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| sarob | matjazp: i was thinking if we can land one or two AV people with no openstack experience | 17:56 |
| dguitarbite | I agree | 17:56 |
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| dguitarbite | also we would suck at creating good AV stuff | 17:57 |
| sarob | matjazp: i wanted them to work independently | 17:57 |
| dguitarbite | I am talking about non-technical things | 17:57 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: I agree | 17:57 |
| sarob | matjazp: im terrible at it. i have tried. | 17:57 |
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| sarob | matjazp: different skill set | 17:57 |
| matjazp | sarob: same here.. diagrams yes... movies/music.. nope | 17:58 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: it will also be good point to differentiate us from manuals and present it to the TC | 17:58 |
| sarob | matjazp: with stef and loic's training at the summit | 17:58 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: diagrams me too... | 17:58 |
| sarob | matjazp: recording and putting on the openstack youtube channel would be the next step | 17:58 |
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| sarob | matjazp: you could take the raw video of your classes as well | 17:59 |
| sarob | matjazp: forward to our AV team for prettying up | 17:59 |
| sarob | just a thought | 17:59 |
| sarob | our time is up | 17:59 |
| sarob | see y'all in the funny papers | 18:00 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: I got another meeting to attend | 18:00 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| matjazp | oh.. ok.. see you next week | 18:00 |
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| dguitarbite | see ya there | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 2 18:00:10 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-06-02-17.01.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-06-02-17.01.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-06-02-17.01.log.html | 18:00 |
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| sarob | anybody ping me if you need to keep the conversation going | 18:00 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: sometime this week? | 18:01 |
| sarob | anytime | 18:02 |
| dguitarbite | ok | 18:02 |
| sarob | skype works too | 18:02 |
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| redrobot | It's 2000 UTC | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 2 20:00:21 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| redrobot | hi everyone, can I get a show of hands for the Barbican meeting? | 20:00 |
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| atiwari | 0/ | 20:00 |
| rellerreller | hi | 20:00 |
| chadlung | o/ | 20:00 |
| kaitlin-farr | o/ | 20:00 |
| Kevin_Bishop | o/ | 20:01 |
| paul_glass | hello | 20:01 |
| tsv | hello | 20:01 |
| reaperhulk | o/ | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | alrighty! lots of people here today :) | 20:01 |
| redrobot | as usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:01 |
| redrobot | I'll wait just a minute or two for any late peeps and then we can get started on the agenda items | 20:02 |
| atiwari | I would like to introduce two new folks | 20:02 |
| redrobot | atiwari go ahead | 20:02 |
| atiwari | TSV who is looking at api refactoring | 20:02 |
| tsv | hi there | 20:02 |
| atiwari | tenant_id removal from uri | 20:02 |
| redrobot | hi tsv! | 20:02 |
| atiwari | Meera who is looking at adding tempest tests | 20:03 |
| redrobot | hi meera! | 20:03 |
| meera | hello everyone | 20:03 |
| redrobot | nice to e-meet y'all | 20:03 |
| redrobot | we have a couple of new folks on the Rackspace team as well. | 20:03 |
| redrobot | Kevin_Bishop and paul_glass are interning with us for the summer. | 20:04 |
| Kevin_Bishop | hello! | 20:04 |
| paul_glass | hi! | 20:04 |
| atiwari | hi there | 20:04 |
| tsv | hi. nice to meet you all | 20:04 |
| atiwari | nice e-meeting you guys | 20:04 |
| redrobot | ok, it's 2005 UTC. Let's get started. | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | #topic Hacking enabled on pep8 gate | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Hacking enabled on pep8 gate (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:04 | |
| redrobot | we're ---> <---- that close to enabling hacking | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96839/ | 20:05 |
| redrobot | looks like there's only one more issue we need to fix before this CR will go through | 20:05 |
| reaperhulk | yeah I'm going to update momentarily | 20:05 |
| reaperhulk | as soon as I actually read the error and fix the import ;) | 20:05 |
| redrobot | reaperhulk I can take care of it after the meeting. | 20:06 |
| chadlung | Whoops, my mistake for approving that before zuul finished | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | I just wanted to bring this up so that everyone is aware that existing CRs may break after this one is landed | 20:06 |
| redrobot | many thanks to paul_glass and Kevin_Bishop for their work squashing all the hacking viloations. | 20:06 |
| atiwari | +1 | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | I think that's all I have on this point, unless someone else wants to weigh in on it. | 20:07 |
| rellerreller | +1 | 20:07 |
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| tsv | nice job! | 20:07 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on. | 20:08 |
| redrobot | #topic barbican-specs repository for Blueprints | 20:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "barbican-specs repository for Blueprints (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:08 | |
| redrobot | We've talked about this before | 20:08 |
| redrobot | basically moving Blueprint proposals to Gerrit. | 20:08 |
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| atiwari | My understanding is this repo is just for specs | 20:08 |
| redrobot | I think reaperhulk was going to work on this today? | 20:09 |
| atiwari | what it mean ato add blueprints there? | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | atiwari, Jarret proposed a new process for creating blueprints | 20:09 |
| rellerreller | Is there a defined format for the blueprints that are submitted? | 20:09 |
| atiwari | redrobot, that I know is that mean we are decommissioning https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/? | 20:10 |
| redrobot | rellerreller yes there is, let me fish out the link | 20:10 |
| redrobot | atiwari not really. We would still open a blueprint in launchpad, but the specification would go through gerrit. It would be kind of like the Not4MergeJust2Review CRs that you've sent before | 20:11 |
| redrobot | atiwari except that we would be able to vote on it, and when it is merged, it would be considered approved. | 20:11 |
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| atiwari | redrobot, thats good | 20:11 |
| atiwari | I am glad to have this new process :) | 20:11 |
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| rellerreller | What does it take to get a bp approved? | 20:12 |
| redrobot | #link https://github.com/jarretraim/barbican-specs/blob/master/specs/template.rst | 20:12 |
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| redrobot | ^^ rellerreller this is the proposed format | 20:12 |
| redrobot | rellerreller approval would be the same as merging into the main repo. 2x +2, and a workflow +1 | 20:13 |
| rellerreller | redrobot Thanks! | 20:13 |
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| reaperhulk | redrobot: yes I am going to spend some time on the specs today so we can get it merged hopefully tomorrow | 20:13 |
| atiwari | redrobot, what about the current api specs? | 20:13 |
| redrobot | #action reaperhulk will send the openstack-infra CR to create a stackforge/barbican-specs repository | 20:14 |
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| atiwari | e.g #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88463/11/api-docs/keystore-api-v1-order-more-type.md . am I suppose to move it to new repo? | 20:14 |
| redrobot | atiwari, Yes, I think that would be better. This way we can vote using Gerrit. | 20:15 |
| tsv | redrobot, Also, I have a barbican client CR based on a blueprint filed using old process. Should the bp migrate to the new process ? | 20:15 |
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| atiwari | redrobot, sure I will do. | 20:15 |
| redrobot | tsv, we can look at it on a case-by-case basis. Since you already have an implementation CR we can vote on it there. | 20:16 |
| tsv | redrobot, sounds good. thanks | 20:16 |
| redrobot | I'll be sure to blast the email list once our repo is up | 20:17 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot will notify dev mailing list once barbican-specs is avaliable | 20:17 |
| redrobot | any other questions or comments on this before we move on? | 20:18 |
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| atiwari | redrobot, we moved our repos (barbican and client) to openstack , should we expect an official email? | 20:18 |
| redrobot | atiwari I think the infra guys have already notified the list. I can send another email if you think it's necessary though. | 20:19 |
| atiwari | no I am good | 20:19 |
| redrobot | ok | 20:19 |
| atiwari | actually one Keystone folks was asking me | 20:19 |
| atiwari | I think we are good | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | ok | 20:20 |
| redrobot | moving on | 20:20 |
| redrobot | #topic Order Model changes | 20:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Order Model changes (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:21 | |
| redrobot | atiwari I think you proposed this topic? | 20:21 |
| atiwari | yes | 20:21 |
| redrobot | atiwari go ahead | 20:21 |
| atiwari | great thanks | 20:21 |
| atiwari | that was fast :) | 20:22 |
| redrobot | I think this would make for a good use case to test out our new barbican-specs repository | 20:22 |
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| redrobot | atiwari I mean go ahead and talk about it ^_^ ... | 20:22 |
| atiwari | Ok | 20:22 |
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| atiwari | as we discussed I am adding API support for different key generation | 20:23 |
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| atiwari | as per #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88463/11/api-docs/keystore-api-v1-order-more-type.md | 20:23 |
| atiwari | we had agreement in the summit and just wanted to check if we are still good | 20:24 |
| atiwari | ? | 20:24 |
| atiwari | with this model change | 20:24 |
| atiwari | I have stared implementation for the same. | 20:24 |
| redrobot | atiwari ok, have you sent it as WIP? If so we can look at it there. | 20:26 |
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| atiwari | it is there but abandoned | 20:26 |
| atiwari | I will resubmit the same | 20:26 |
| atiwari | and let you guys know | 20:27 |
| redrobot | atiwari thanks, yeah, it's good to upload model changes like that early so we can get lots of eyes on the review. | 20:27 |
| redrobot | atiwari anything else you want to talk about on this topic? Or can we move on to the next item on the agenda? | 20:28 |
| atiwari | redrobot, I am working on model change as per #link https://github.com/cloudkeep/barbican/wiki/Database-Migrations | 20:28 |
| atiwari | I am good | 20:28 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:28 |
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| redrobot | #topic Tempest tests for Barbican | 20:28 |
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| redrobot | jvrbanac ping | 20:29 |
| redrobot | meera you're already working on these? | 20:29 |
| atiwari | meera, it is your topic | 20:29 |
| jvrbanac | redrobot, here | 20:29 |
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| meera | Yeah, i have started looking into adding some basic tempest tests for barbican API | 20:29 |
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| redrobot | jvrbanac good, I was hoping you'd be here to talk Tempest with meera :) | 20:29 |
| redrobot | meera meet jvrbanac he's our main guy when it comes to Quality Engineering | 20:30 |
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| meera | jvrbanac: hi | 20:30 |
| jvrbanac | meera, hi! | 20:30 |
| redrobot | jvrbanac do we have any existing Tempest stuff? | 20:31 |
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| jvrbanac | redrobot, not anymore. We had a couple tests originally that was based on the Solum work, but that method doesn't seems to be working anymore | 20:31 |
| redrobot | cool, so it looks like we have a clean slate for you to work with meera. | 20:32 |
| jvrbanac | redrobot, meera yep! | 20:32 |
| meera | Here's the link to the blueprint for tempest work: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/add-basic-tests-for-barbican | 20:32 |
| atiwari | thats good meera you have lots of work to do :) | 20:32 |
| meera | yeah | 20:33 |
| chadlung | meera: good luck, I'd love to see some Tempest tests working in Barbican | 20:33 |
| jvrbanac | meera, I'll be looking to spend some more time on that in the near future. | 20:34 |
| redrobot | #action meera will begin work on Tempest testing for Barbican | 20:34 |
| meera | I will be syncing up with the tempest folks to get the bp approved and start the implementation | 20:34 |
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| redrobot | ok, well it seems like it's positive all around :) | 20:35 |
| atiwari | +1 | 20:35 |
| redrobot | This is all we have on the agenda for today. Does anyone else have any topics you would like to discuss? | 20:35 |
| redrobot | if not we'll have a short meeting this week. | 20:35 |
| atiwari | redrobot, yes | 20:35 |
| rellerreller | Any news on the mid-cycle? | 20:35 |
| rellerreller | Do we have any official dates or a location? | 20:36 |
| redrobot | #topic Mid-cycle meetup | 20:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mid-cycle meetup (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:36 | |
| atiwari | reaperhulk, has added new dependency for cryptography | 20:36 |
| redrobot | rellerreller, I think the official location will be Geekdom in San Antonio, TX | 20:36 |
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| redrobot | atiwari, I can make that the next topic. | 20:36 |
| atiwari | ok | 20:36 |
| redrobot | rellerreller not sure about dates though | 20:36 |
| redrobot | last I saw was tentative dates, but I think you ( rellerreller ) had a conflict with them? | 20:37 |
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| rellerreller | Ya, I wasn't sure if others would also have conflict for first day since right around July 4 | 20:37 |
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| redrobot | yep, it's a valid point. I'll try to ping Jarret and see if they've decided on set dates. | 20:38 |
| rellerreller | If we started July 7 I might just have to come late. | 20:38 |
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| redrobot | #action redrobot to check with jraim about mid-cycle meetup dates | 20:38 |
| rellerreller | Is the OSSG still meeting with us that week? I saw that they had a few options for different weeks. | 20:39 |
| redrobot | yeah, I think they were wanting to overlap OSSG as well, since we share many of the same interests... | 20:40 |
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| redrobot | does anyone else have more info than me? reaperhulk I'm looking your way... | 20:40 |
| rellerreller | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ossg-juno-meetup | 20:40 |
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| reaperhulk | I believe OSSG has said they can't make it due to conflicts | 20:40 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ossg-juno-meetup | 20:40 |
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| redrobot | bummer :-\ | 20:41 |
| rellerreller | reaperhulk Just for that week or not meeting in general? | 20:41 |
| reaperhulk | for that week | 20:41 |
| reaperhulk | but I don't know where that stands now | 20:41 |
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| rellerreller | Those were all of the questions that I had | 20:43 |
| redrobot | I'll bug jraim about it... it's about a month away, so we definitely need to get the dates nailed down. | 20:43 |
| redrobot | moving on. | 20:43 |
| redrobot | #topic PyCA's Cryptography added as a dependency | 20:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PyCA's Cryptography added as a dependency (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:43 | |
| redrobot | atiwari you had questions about this? | 20:43 |
| atiwari | yes are we planning to remove Crypto? | 20:44 |
| reaperhulk | atiwari, yes, we are planning to remove pycrypto entirely eventually | 20:44 |
| reaperhulk | the dev plugin will transition to using cryptography exclusively, but since it's just a dev plugin it still should not be used in production | 20:44 |
| atiwari | ok | 20:45 |
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| chadlung | As a side note, I just updated the Barbican wiki on installing DevStack + Barbican. This change added some needed dependencies on a clean ubuntu system (for testing) #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BarbicanDevStack#Running_Barbican_via_DevStack | 20:45 |
| reaperhulk | The reason we're using PyCrypto for asymmetric generation still is because cryptography doesn't support the serialization we need for keys just yet (should be available in 0.5, which should be out in ~2 weeks) | 20:45 |
| atiwari | reaperhulk, make sense | 20:45 |
| redrobot | thanks for the fyi chadlung | 20:45 |
| redrobot | atiwari any other questions about this? | 20:46 |
| atiwari | I am good | 20:46 |
| atiwari | thanks | 20:46 |
| redrobot | np | 20:47 |
| redrobot | alrighty guys, that's all we have in the agenda for today. | 20:47 |
| redrobot | any last minute questions/comments? | 20:47 |
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| nati_ueno | QQ: certificate support is implemented? | 20:47 |
| nati_ueno | I would like to integrate it with SSL-VPN in neutron | 20:47 |
| redrobot | hi nati_ueno, we're still in the blueprint stage for dealing with certificates | 20:48 |
| nati_ueno | redrobot: Ah, OK! Sure | 20:48 |
| nati_ueno | redrobot: which one? | 20:48 |
| redrobot | nati_ueno stay posted, and let us know your requirements, so we can plan accordingly. | 20:48 |
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| nati_ueno | redrobot: cool. I posted it on the mailing list but I couldn't get response | 20:49 |
| redrobot | nati_ueno there's a few in-flight dealing with asymmetric keys, etc. I'm not sure we have one specifically for certificates | 20:49 |
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| nati_ueno | redrobot: gotcha | 20:50 |
| redrobot | nati_ueno, woodster is looking into it I believe. we saw your email, but I think he's still investigating to get you the right answer | 20:50 |
| nati_ueno | redrobot: Thanks! I'm grad to hear that | 20:50 |
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| nati_ueno | Another QQ, is, Is there any discussion about transaction & notification? | 20:51 |
| nati_ueno | I mean, if user want to delete SSL-VPN config, he may want to delete SSL certificate | 20:51 |
| redrobot | nati_ueno what sort of transactions/notifications were you looking for? | 20:51 |
| nati_ueno | However, may be one of them will be fail | 20:51 |
| nati_ueno | or constrait | 20:51 |
| nati_ueno | We don't wont to get ssl certificate deleted when SSL-VPN is still active | 20:52 |
| nati_ueno | This kind of thing is really easy if we are using same DB. | 20:52 |
| nati_ueno | I mean, RDBMS | 20:52 |
| redrobot | I see... I think that's something we still have to discuss... we're running out of time for today, but we can definitely talk about it on the mailing list, or make it an agenda item for next week. | 20:52 |
| nati_ueno | Sure! Thanks | 20:52 |
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| redrobot | np. We definitely have Neutron in mind. :) | 20:53 |
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| nati_ueno | awesome! Thanks | 20:53 |
| arunkant | I have planning to work on event consumption by barbican ..may be can look into notification side of it as well..https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/ability-to-consume-keystone-events-for-project-delete | 20:53 |
| nati_ueno | arunkant: Sure! | 20:53 |
| redrobot | OK, guys, that's about all the time we have for today. Thanks for coming! | 20:54 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 2 20:55:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-06-02-20.00.html | 20:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-06-02-20.00.txt | 20:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-06-02-20.00.log.html | 20:55 |
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