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| mriedem | mikal: ? | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting nova | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 29 14:01:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:01 |
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| mriedem | hi | 14:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 14:01 |
| PaulMurray | hi | 14:01 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:01 |
| n0ano | o/ | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | Hi, so mikal can't make it today, so you get me, sorry! | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its very late/early where kangaroos live | 14:02 |
| mriedem | some live in a zoo | 14:02 |
| mriedem | in different TZs | 14:02 |
| mriedem | there are agenda topics at least: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | very true... | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | so.. I need to ping people | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ok so none of the ping people are in this channel so lets skip that | 14:03 |
| mriedem | is it just me or is it weird to see names listed for pinging at the top of the meeting but don't have agenda topics on the wiki? | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | o/ (partly.. on phone too) | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Juno mid-cycle meetup date/location | 14:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we have some topics | 14:03 |
| dims | o/ | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we need to decide a date | 14:03 |
| dansmith | mriedem: I think it's because some people don't have calendars, not because they have something to say | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have two options, so… lets vote | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link please vote on meetup date https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1ws6iezBwQHvvEP5_9lOI2MclJOLFi75XwbPfji4ea_M/viewform | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I think some people with strong opinions are moving house | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | so some dates fit better than others | 14:04 |
| mriedem | ha | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, anything more people want to say about the meet up date? | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | just please vote, and lets see how it goes I guess | 14:05 |
| mriedem | are the ironic guys doing the same dates as us? | 14:05 |
| mriedem | or have they decided dates/locations? | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | good question, I don't remember... | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess they get a big vote | 14:05 |
| mriedem | devananda: ^? | 14:05 |
| n0ano | mriedem, that's the plan, I'm getting a room for them | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: OK cool, makes sense | 14:06 |
| mriedem | n0ano: so ironic is just going to do whatever nova does? | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think I hurd two rooms next to each other | 14:06 |
| dansmith | n0ano: which campus is this going to be at? | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we bug each other in some common sessions | 14:06 |
| n0ano | dansmith, undetermined at this time, depend upon availability when we get exact dates. | 14:06 |
| dansmith | n0ano: okay | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 14:07 |
| dansmith | personally, I'm a little worried that a 100% overlap with ironic will turn the whole thing into an ironic meetup | 14:07 |
| n0ano | idea is 3 room, ~40 for nova, ~20 for ironic and ~6 for individual breakout | 14:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: we will have to learn to ignore them a bit | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | but its a good point, need to avoid that | 14:07 |
| n0ano | dansmith, separate but equal, should be OK | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, any more on this...? | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Blueprints | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cools, so the next think is really about Juno-1, its about 2 weeks away | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | so… I have been trimming the juno-1 blueprint list (a little bit) | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I am trying to keep all things in this list to have approved specs: | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/juno | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | but this is juno-1 | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/juno-1 | 14:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #action can people please update their blueprint status and check their milestones | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | and we should probably start pushing hard on reviewing what is ready for review to close that out | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | so question… do people want to think about a juno-1 blueprint proposal freeze? was that useful before? | 14:11 |
| dansmith | I do, just because I think we need to focus on reviewing *code* at some point | 14:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: +1 | 14:12 |
| PhilD | +1 to the BP freeze | 14:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I don't like extra process, but this one seemed useful | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I guess I should give people a week to get their code up, and blueprint moved to "Needs Code Review" before we bump them to J-2 | 14:12 |
| danpb | dansmith: yes, it does seem like we've spent alot of time reviewing blueprints and not so much reviewing code | 14:12 |
| dansmith | danpb: yeah :( | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: good point | 14:13 |
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| danpb | of course that's not neccessarily a bad thing | 14:13 |
| danpb | since it should mean the code we eventually review will be less insane | 14:13 |
| PhilD | Reviewing the BPs should reduce some the churn in the code review though | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK… so maybe we should stop blueprint view focus today ish? and let the freeze focus people on getting the code up for review? | 14:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | (not that we had a focus, except for it being a new shiney thing) | 14:14 |
| PhilD | We can carry on with BP reviews - but any that get approved from here on will go into J-2 or beyond | 14:14 |
| danpb | yep, and if choosing between the two, the priority should be on reviewing actual J-1 code | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | PhilD: yeah, I suppose, just think we should "foucs" on blueprint code reviews for the next little while | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: +1 | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | PhilD: but I agree, no block on blueprint approvals for later milestones | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | everyone happy with that? | 14:15 |
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| dansmith | if we're not frozen, | 14:15 |
| dansmith | we'll still get pings about reviewing specs all day and night | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: hmm, thats a good point... | 14:16 |
| dansmith | which we can ignore, of course, but having a line in the sand helps explain things, IMHO | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | PhilD: you OK with us not approving any blueprints for two weeks? | 14:16 |
| PhilD | Just don't want to switch off BP review al toghter - otherwise we we'll won't have BPs ready to go into J-2 | 14:16 |
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| gibi | I tend to agree with PhilD that we need some BP to be ready for J-2 | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah… but there are lots of stuff from J-1 that will fill up J-2, if we are being honest with ourselves | 14:18 |
| dansmith | ...right. | 14:18 |
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| danpb | and i tend to expect that people are writing their code regardless of whether the BP is approved | 14:18 |
| dansmith | well, we're not supposed to be approving the actual BP unless they do | 14:18 |
| danpb | so not approving the BP probably won't actually delay people significantly | 14:18 |
| dansmith | (the launchpad part) | 14:18 |
| PhilD | Maybe we just need to work out what the balance is here - so that we have a sustainable approach going forwards. Boom and Bust on either isn't good | 14:19 |
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| gibi | PhilD: +1 | 14:19 |
| dansmith | I don't feel like we're on either side of the extreme here, | 14:19 |
| dansmith | we have a bunch of things in the queue that have gotten some review, but not approved | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | PhilD: agreed we do, but right now we don't have the bandwidth, so this seems like a pragmatic choice | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | so... | 14:19 |
| dansmith | that seems like a plenty fine situation going into J2 | 14:19 |
| danpb | yep, we're saying carry on reviewing BPs but don't make it your top priority job for the day - reviewing code should be the top job, and BP #2 job | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe lets say no more spec approves monday onwards? | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: yeah, the soft freeze is probably easier | 14:20 |
| dansmith | nobody is going to turn off the +2 button on reviews anyway :) | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: true | 14:20 |
| PhilD | Just want to be clear - are we saying what is already apporved fills up through Juno ? | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | PhilD: well day after Juno-2 we start approving more though | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | its only for the few weeks to get Juno-1 pushed out I think | 14:21 |
| PhilD | Ok, that sounds reasonable. | 14:21 |
| danpb | yep, once J-1 is done, we can approve as much as we want again | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds like we kinda have agreement.. lets summarize | 14:22 |
| gibi | Ok | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | avoid spec reviews, till we ship Juno-1 | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | focus on needs code review blueprints, getting them to complete | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds cool? | 14:22 |
| PhilD | Woudl help if at somepoint we had a way to assign a priority to BPS after they get approved - to help prioriise teh reviews and allow new (urgnet) ideas to come though. Sometimes the most important BPS are teh most complex to review, | 14:23 |
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| PhilD | and I wan't to avoid that we only get the simple changes into each milestone | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | PhilD: yeah, the priority needs work... | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I have some ideas I am working on... | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | (assuming we are agreed on the blueprint push for Juno-1 speak up if you are not happy with that) | 14:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | talking to the user committee to get their priority list | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | second... | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | working out the dependencies on "structural" changes we agreed at the summit | 14:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | …so | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | we say objects are super high priority | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | as is scheduler split, etc | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | as it blocks other stuff | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | … but I need to try and formalize that, so I can present a more… concrete idea | 14:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ideas and help very welcome there | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | …OK so we should go back to the list of blueprints | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | what stuff do we REALLY need... | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | where do we need to tweak priorities | 14:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/juno-1 | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems like most of the high priority ones are getting somewhere, but need the last push | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | any vmware folks about? | 14:27 |
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| mriedem | there are just a couple patches left on the vmware refactor phase 1/2 stuff | 14:27 |
| mriedem | 3 last i checked | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 14:28 |
| mriedem | phase 3 was oslo.vmware integratoin i think, vui lam was working on that i think | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: your stuff is close now right? | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: is it all up for review now? | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/remove-cast-to-schedule-run-instance | 14:28 |
| PhilD | extensible-resource-tracker is neesed for a whole bunch of other BPs under review that want to add data to the compute_node | 14:28 |
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| alaski | johnthetubaguy: the final important piece is up for review, and very close I think | 14:28 |
| dansmith | I just +Warthog'd it | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 14:29 |
| alaski | johnthetubaguy: then there are some cleanup patches after that are up for review but haven't received much attention yet, which is fine | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: np | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | PhilD: yes, good point, thats the structural stuff I guess, needed to help scheduler split | 14:29 |
| PhilD | ... and we have been talking about this for ages | 14:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I guess we could make that high, but medium is still "tracked", so maybe that enough at this point | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | PhilD: very true | 14:30 |
| dansmith | I don't think it's high | 14:30 |
| jaypipes | I'm pretty -1 on the xtensible resource tracker implementation at this point... | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK… any more worries on the J-1 plan, and mostly any bad priorities people can spot | 14:31 |
| dansmith | I really think we need to use our priorities to reflect what we think is important/critical and not "what has been waiting for a while" | 14:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yes, technically, it has to be "likely hood to merge" but we need the important stuff to be likely to merge | 14:31 |
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| * johnthetubaguy hopes that made sense to someone | 14:32 | |
| PhilD | Sure - but importance shoudl reflect what else it holds up as well as the change itself | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: anywhere you feel we have got it wrong? | 14:32 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: I was just referring to the extensible resource tracker stuff being high priority | 14:32 |
| dansmith | I waffle between -0 and -2 on that, so I can't really imagine it being high priority | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: right, medium seems OK at this point, its a soft dependency on the major work, I think | 14:33 |
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| PhilD | From my perspective its high | 14:33 |
| dansmith | what major work does it block? | 14:33 |
| dansmith | scheduler stuff? | 14:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | PhilD: well, don't not merge + high priority = medium chance to merge maybe | 14:34 |
| PaulMurray | dansmith, extensible RT it is waiting for approval | 14:34 |
| PhilD | Pretty much all of the other scheduler stuff that other people want to bring in later in J | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | … lets just park this till open discussion? | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | PhilD: its just the best way, not the only way, but I do like it myself, but lets sort that later | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | any other blueprints we have worries about, in terms of priority | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | any crucial stuff we missed | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | not that we are doing spec reviews for a bit, quick reminder about... | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-nova-summit-specs | 14:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | do add stuff agreed at the summit that we need to do paper work for | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | although thats a J-2 thing now | 14:36 |
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| PhilD | There are only 4 Bps approved for J-1 that are in the state of needs code review doesn't that sort of set the priority in terms of what can be done anyway ? | 14:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | PhilD: a little, yes, but most people don't update the blueprint status, I will start pinging people and chasing up on that | 14:37 |
| PhilD | OK | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure everyone knows Juno-1 is so soon, hopefully my email about the freeze sorts that out | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | (and massive blueprint commenting…) | 14:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, any more on blueprints? | 14:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK | 14:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sounds like we have a plan about the freeze | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action johnthetubaguy to sort out an email about blueprint proposal freeze, and spec review slow down for juno-1 | 14:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 14:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | now, I don't have anything about the top bug list... | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is a plan to get the top few "burning" bugs from the bug team each week | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | and a general hope we get better at managing the massive backlog | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | but anyone got bugs or bug process things they want to talk about? | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1299517 | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think is what was mentioned | 14:41 |
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| PhilD | That was the one that sprang to my mind. | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info Bug Day on next Wedesday 4th June | 14:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think that was the ml post | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | http://osdir.com/ml/openstack-dev/2014-05/msg02075.html | 14:42 |
| PhilD | Feels like we goofed a bit here and broke our API compatibility rules | 14:42 |
| PhilD | So can we just revert that set of changes for now ? | 14:42 |
| dansmith | I think we should | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah… makes sense | 14:43 |
| alaski | +1 | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | any one want to take that one? | 14:43 |
| dansmith | too bad the horizon folks didn't mention it, | 14:43 |
| dansmith | as they had to remove something as a result | 14:43 |
| PhilD | There was talk of a "partial" revert so that only defaults can be set - but I think that could come as a separate change | 14:43 |
| danpb | yep, seems the claim "It turns out os-quota-classes-sets never worked.... Since this doesn't work no need to keep it around." was not quite correct :-) | 14:43 |
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| mriedem | i can post the revert for stable/icehouse of the api removal for v2 | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | do we have a tempest test on the way? | 14:44 |
| mriedem | easy enough | 14:44 |
| dansmith | I thought vishy was going to do it, so maybe we should wait and let him do it now that we agree | 14:44 |
| dansmith | or that | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: awesome thank you | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action mriedem to take on lp 1299517 | 14:44 |
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| mriedem | vishy can do the revert of the master branch if he wants | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: you ok to check with vishy about the test? | 14:45 |
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| mriedem | sure, i don't know what test we're talking about, but i can bug him :) | 14:45 |
| dansmith | mriedem: should go to master first anyway | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: or get him to do the bug fix too :) | 14:45 |
| dansmith | mriedem: we need a test :) | 14:45 |
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| mriedem | test our APIs?! | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | crazy talk … I know | 14:45 |
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| PhilD | as in "we need a test as well as the revert" - or we need a test first ? | 14:46 |
| dansmith | we need a test post-revert to prevent it from breaking again | 14:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | erm, test how it should be after the revert | 14:46 |
| danpb | do a plain revert, and then add a test | 14:46 |
| mriedem | well test would go on master, and there is a series on master that needs to be reverted | 14:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: +1 | 14:46 |
| mriedem | i'm going to revert the api removal on stable | 14:46 |
| mriedem | since that's the immediate problem | 14:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: master first surely? | 14:47 |
| mriedem | if vishy wants to take over from there on master, i'm fine with that | 14:47 |
| dansmith | mriedem: but you really should cherry-pick the master one | 14:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: +1 | 14:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | else the world turns upside down | 14:47 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: that's how this is supposed to go.. fix in master, cherry-pick to stable when it's merged | 14:47 |
| PhilD | Master first and cherry pick to stable | 14:47 |
| mriedem | i'll get it all worked out | 14:47 |
| mriedem | don't worry | 14:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: sorry, don't mean to be picking on you, particularly given you are the kind person who offered to fix it :) | 14:48 |
| mriedem | what could go wrong?! | 14:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | :) | 14:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | so… any more bugs? | 14:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | bug day will be fun, read the ML for more details I guess | 14:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Sub Team reports | 14:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sub Team reports (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:49 | |
| adrian_otto | Containers Subteam Update | 14:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | any takers? | 14:49 |
| * n0ano gantt | 14:49 | |
| adrian_otto | #idea attend https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers on Tue at 2200 to discuss options for where containers specific funcitonality should be implemented in OpenStack. | 14:49 |
| * johnthetubaguy raises his XenAPI hand | 14:49 | |
| johnthetubaguy | adrian_otto: fire away | 14:49 |
| adrian_otto | tx! | 14:50 |
| adrian_otto | Various options will be debated. | 14:50 |
| * danpb Libvirt | 14:50 | |
| adrian_otto | In our last meeting we concluded that there were sufficient use cases for containers that did not require Cinder support to disregard that as an acceptance criteria for inclusion in Nova. | 14:50 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-05-27-16.02.log.html#l-120 Cinder with Containers Discussion | 14:50 |
| adrian_otto | That's it for our update. I can take any questions. | 14:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I guess the question is… do the people in this Nova meeting agree? | 14:51 |
| dansmith | yeah, that's my question :) | 14:51 |
| adrian_otto | or if there is disagreement, we can field that on Tuesday | 14:51 |
| danpb | FYI see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/containers line 135 onwards for examples | 14:51 |
| adrian_otto | tx danpb | 14:51 |
| danpb | basically the core observation is that there are genuine use cases for completely stateless instances, and many use cases where the state is accessed over the network (eg remote database or whatever) | 14:52 |
| PhilD | Does not supporting cinder mean that a system using containers won't pass the DevRef standard ? | 14:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | well not sure we have time for that debate here… lets add that on the open discussion queue | 14:52 |
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| adrian_otto | ok | 14:52 |
| danpb | PhilD: IMHO that would indicate DevRef is flawed | 14:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | and if you really care about it, try send info to the contianer meeting somehow | 14:52 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, DevRef may have to morph | 14:53 |
| adrian_otto | I'd be happy to proxy any questions arguments if you are unable to attend | 14:53 |
| adrian_otto | we will have an ML thread to | 14:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but anyways… feels to me like not being able to add extra storage is bad, but yeah, lets take that offline | 14:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: your turn I think/hope | 14:53 |
| n0ano | NP | 14:53 |
| n0ano | Two major items this week, no-db scheduler and the forklift effort | 14:54 |
| n0ano | nodb cause a lot of discussion, there are some major concerns with the current design, everyone should read: | 14:54 |
| n0ano | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92128/2/specs/juno/no-db-scheduler.rst | 14:54 |
| n0ano | we're going to try to go over that at the meeting next tues. | 14:55 |
| * johnthetubaguy will try to attend this time | 14:55 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | hows forklift going, there are patches to review I guess? | 14:55 |
| n0ano | for the forklift, we have some concrete BPs and code out that need to be reviewed, they are to clean up the interfaces between nova and the scheduler | 14:55 |
| n0ano | here's the 3 links: | 14:56 |
| n0ano | #link https://review.openstack.org/82133 (scheduler-lib validated) | 14:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | forklift = spliting out scheduler into gnatt | 14:56 |
| n0ano | #link https://review.openstack.org/89893 (isolate-sched-db review in progress) | 14:56 |
| n0ano | #link https://review.openstack.org/94916 (prep_resize to move to conductor - review in progress) | 14:56 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, +1 | 14:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, sounds good, progress | 14:56 |
| n0ano | that's about all for now, expect firworks next tues :-) | 14:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | heh | 14:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | so XenAPI update... | 14:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am at the Xen hackathon, mostly talking but its a nice day out | 14:57 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hopefuly rackspace are taking on more active role with XenServer CI | 14:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | had an outage, but its back now | 14:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | that is all | 14:57 |
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| johnthetubaguy | danpb: your turn | 14:58 |
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| danpb | Libvirt update | 14:58 |
| danpb | groups of folks from B1 systems, Citrix and SUSE to investigate CI options for Libvirt + Xen | 14:58 |
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| danpb | they will report back when there is interesting progress to tell the group | 14:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 14:59 |
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| danpb | related to this there is someone at Rackspace investigating CI for Libvirt + LXC | 14:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, I can confirm LXC rumers | 14:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think its a bit delayed, and canonical are helping too I think | 14:59 |
| dansmith | (note time) | 15:00 |
| * johnthetubaguy looks at watch | 15:00 | |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 15:00 | |
| danpb | In general, there is quite a bit of activity around Libvirt + LXC and the issues we're identifying about missing APIs in Nova overlap with Docker, so we're engaged with Containers team | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, sorry to cut you short | 15:00 |
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| danpb | nothing more to report (see logs at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Libvirt) | 15:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so… thanks all for putting up with me | 15:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | feedback welcome | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets push for Juno-1 | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 29 15:01:35 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-05-29-14.01.html | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-05-29-14.01.txt | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-05-29-14.01.log.html | 15:01 |
| danpb | johnthetubaguy: can you use an australian accent next time ;-P | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: sure maaate | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 29 15:02:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:02 |
| bswartz | hello everyone | 15:02 |
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| scottda | hi | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:03 |
| bswartz | who do we have today | 15:03 |
| csaba | hi | 15:03 |
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| xyang1 | hi | 15:03 |
| bswartz | rushil, ameade: you here? | 15:03 |
| shamail | Hi | 15:04 |
| bswartz | okay so the first thing I wanted to do was check up on people who signed up for stuff last week | 15:04 |
| bswartz | is everyone still planning on working on the stuff they signed up for last week? | 15:05 |
| shamail | bswartz: Quick update, I am working on understanding cloud-init... No real update yet but I do have a question. | 15:05 |
| scottda | I have started investigating vlan to vxlan/gre routing | 15:05 |
| bswartz | I'm trying to figure out how to spread the work around so everyone has interesting stuff to work on who wants to | 15:05 |
| ameade | here | 15:05 |
| shamail | would we prefer to use puppet or chef in conjunction w/ cloud-init? | 15:05 |
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| scottda | And I can talk briefly about my findings if we would like | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | yeah I'd like to do that | 15:06 |
| bswartz | BRIEFLY! | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | #topic cloud-init | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cloud-init (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:06 | |
| shamail | I haven't started exploring the other options yet but I have only found stated support for cloud-init in RHEL and Ubuntu. | 15:06 |
| bswartz | so I'm not sure why that would matter shamail | 15:06 |
| bswartz | my thinking had been that cloud-init runs at boot time and can grab metadata from the hypervisor | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | therefore it's a great place to stuff mount information so that the client can just do a bunch of mounts at boot time | 15:07 |
| shamail | It wouldn't, just from a preference perspective... I plan to specify metadata via user data and leverage puppet/chef for the actual mount op | 15:07 |
| bswartz | how we get the mount info from manila into a place where cloud-init can grab it is half the problem | 15:07 |
| shamail | Agreed | 15:08 |
| bswartz | and how cloud-init takes that info and does the mounts is the other half | 15:08 |
| shamail | Solving for metadata still, the actual mount is where I was considering puppet or chef | 15:08 |
| bswartz | shamail: personally I'd prefer using neither -- they would be an extra dependency and I don't see what they add | 15:08 |
| shamail | Okay, I'll dig deeper and update the team next week. | 15:08 |
| bswartz | cloud-init should be able to invoke a mount command directly | 15:09 |
| bswartz | if they add something valuable then let's talk about which to support | 15:09 |
| shamail | The amount of time I have given to this topic last week was minimal due to holiday and other commitment so | 15:09 |
| bswartz | #topic vlan to vxlan/gre routing | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "vlan to vxlan/gre routing (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:09 | |
| bswartz | scottda: what's up with this? | 15:09 |
| scottda | So, doing multitenancy on a vxlan or gre lan using the manual admin-based Neutron provider network should be possible.... | 15:10 |
| scottda | My next step is to test and confirm this, and then I can start on documentation. | 15:10 |
| scottda | The real goal is to have Manila do the routing without manual intervention. | 15:10 |
| bswartz | is the plan to prove it works in a manual config first, then to look into how to automate? | 15:10 |
| scottda | And that requires some work. | 15:10 |
| bswartz | which parts are manual and which parts are automated? | 15:11 |
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| scottda | Right now, there is nothing similar to an agent that Manila can use to connect Neutron sub-nets. | 15:11 |
| scottda | But Nova has this, and DNSaaS would like this. | 15:11 |
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| scottda | I've talked with a Neutron Core dev and this feature seems viable, but it might not be doable in the Juno time frame. | 15:12 |
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| scottda | In the long run, this is highly desirable, for the vxlan multi-tenancy and possible other Manila features that involve Nuetron. | 15:12 |
| bswartz | scottda: what do you mean by "connect Neutron sub-nets"? | 15:13 |
| bswartz | in theory the VLAN and the VXLAN would be part of the same subnet | 15:13 |
| scottda | Connect a Neutron Provider Network (which connects to the outside network i.e File Server on a VLAN).... | 15:13 |
| scottda | To a tenant subnet, which might be using VXLan | 15:13 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:14 |
| bswartz | should some of us be attending neutron meetings and pushing for this if we want it to happen faster? | 15:14 |
| bswartz | or do you get the sense that it's happening as fast as possible without out intervention? | 15:14 |
| scottda | Short Answer: Manual should be doable, and I will test and document. Automated is harder, and I'll continue to work with Neutron on this. | 15:14 |
| bswartz | s/out/our/ | 15:14 |
| scottda | I can start attending Neutron meetings and try to drive this. | 15:14 |
| scottda | I think intervention can only help. | 15:15 |
| bswartz | okay so I'll see who can apply pressure or help with the effort on our side | 15:15 |
| bswartz | your help is very much appreciated too | 15:15 |
| scottda | It's a pleasure :) | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dev status (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:16 | |
| vponomaryov | Dev status: | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | 1) Share servers admin API | 15:16 |
| bswartz | okay vponomaryov what have you been up to? | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | I am on my way | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | bp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/add-share-server-list-api | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | client: #link https://review.openstack.org/95187 | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | server: #link https://review.openstack.org/95558 | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | status: wait for review | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | 2) New ci jobs: | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | 2.1) 'pylint' job - has been enabled | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | 2.2) 'tempest' job (with multibackend installation) | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | bp: #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/multibackend-installation-tempest-job | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | status: all 'manila' changes has been implemented, 'config' project commit is in review state. | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | config commit in gerrit #link https://review.openstack.org/95207 | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | 3) Update manilaclient with latest changes in manila | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/96423 | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | 4) Update of generic_driver/service_instance modules | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | bp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/implement-backend-details-in-drivers | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96469/ | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | status: work in progress | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | 5) Update of Manila's API docs: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/API | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | status: work in progress | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | TODO: | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | 1) Finish adding of handling of share server details to generic driver | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | 2) Add handling of share server details to cluster_mode (NetApp) driver | 15:18 |
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| vponomaryov | that's all | 15:18 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: awesome | 15:19 |
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| vponomaryov | bp in (4) is not approved | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: the BP is a little sparse on details | 15:19 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: can you explain how you envision the create/use/update/delete working? | 15:20 |
| bswartz | we're talking about new driver entry points right? | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it will do every backend driver | 15:20 |
| bswartz | is it just 1 new method in each driver? or a few new methods? | 15:21 |
| vponomaryov | create - when share server is created | 15:21 |
| vponomaryov | not one | 15:21 |
| bswartz | or it this mostly about drivers making use of the new core feature? | 15:21 |
| vponomaryov | in different part of code - reading/updateing | 15:21 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is totally up to drivers without human influence | 15:22 |
| vponomaryov | admin can see this info with new APIs | 15:22 |
| bswartz | yeah I get that -- but I think if drivers are going to be impact (like the EMC driver that's not upstream yet) then it would be nice to explain what they're going to need to change for this | 15:23 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I don't think it will be a problem | 15:23 |
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| vponomaryov | there will be two drivers, where it will have been implemented | 15:24 |
| bswartz | ok | 15:24 |
| bswartz | well clearly it needs to get done -- we can discuss the details in code review so I'll update the BP | 15:24 |
| bswartz | targeted for j-1 now | 15:25 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: ok | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | okay I had a question for csaba | 15:25 |
| bswartz | csaba: are you still working on gateway-based multitenancy support for the glusterFS backend? | 15:26 |
| csaba | bswartz: you mean the NFS Ganesha driver? | 15:26 |
| bswartz | because that's a big complex bit of work and I'd like to get you some help if it's not almost done already | 15:26 |
| csaba | if yes, yes :) | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | csaba: yes that, as well as the work to get manila itself aware of when it needs to invoke something like that | 15:27 |
| bswartz | it will be great to have a POC of a gateway that can bridge a large glusterFS share into various tenant subnetworks securely | 15:28 |
| csaba | hm you mean the integration into the upcoming automount feature? | 15:28 |
| bswartz | but for it to be useful manila needs to be able to make that happen transparently to the tenant | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | no no I'm talking about automating the creation of the "gateway" when there's a need for it | 15:29 |
| bswartz | so when we have a segmented network (with VLANs, for example) and we're using the glusterFS backend in addition to other backends, manila should make shares that land on the glusterfs backend just work | 15:30 |
| bswartz | and the key is that the mechanism manila uses to make that happen should ideally be generalized to work with any backend, not just gluster | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | it's a big complex problem with a lot of parts | 15:31 |
| bswartz | but I think it's solvable within juno | 15:31 |
| csaba | well yes we think about generating the ganesha config | 15:31 |
| bswartz | and I want to make sure you're getting enough help | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | my thought is that maybe vponomaryov and yportnova can help you out with part of that | 15:32 |
| csaba | OK I think we'll push forward the gluster effort with keeping it in mind to be as generic as we can | 15:32 |
| csaba | and then for other ganesha FSAL-s others could contribute | 15:33 |
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| csaba | yes of course with the interactions between manila and ganesha configurator, we can see use of help too | 15:33 |
| bswartz | okay cool | 15:33 |
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| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | anything else I missed? | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | close BP: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/volume-type-support as implemented | 15:34 |
| bswartz | I think we have the right blueprints now and mostly we have people looking at them | 15:34 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: ty for reminder | 15:35 |
| xyang1 | are we keeping the name "volume-type"? | 15:35 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: also ty for reminders to review code | 15:35 |
| bswartz | xyang1: unless someone feels strongly about changing it I'm happy to leave it | 15:35 |
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| vponomaryov | xyang1: it has such name at the moment | 15:35 |
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| xyang1 | that's fine | 15:35 |
| bswartz | okay so if there's nothing else we can end early and use the next 24 minutes to catch up on code reviews | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | alright thanks all! | 15:37 |
| vponomaryov | thanks | 15:37 |
| scottda | bye | 15:37 |
| xyang1 | thanks | 15:37 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:37 |
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| ameade | see ya | 15:37 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 29 15:37:43 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-05-29-15.02.html | 15:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-05-29-15.02.txt | 15:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-05-29-15.02.log.html | 15:37 |
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| mihgen | vkozhukalov: are you around? | 16:06 |
| mattymo | mihgen, he's not in the office | 16:06 |
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| mihgen | #startmeeting | 16:08 |
| openstack | mihgen: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 16:08 |
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| mihgen | #startmeeting fuel | 16:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 29 16:08:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihgen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:08 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:08 |
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| mihgen | hi folks | 16:09 |
| mihgen | I'll run it if we don't have vkozhulalov... | 16:09 |
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| mihgen | I'm not an expert in meet bots, trying first time now, looks like I don't have other choice) | 16:09 |
| mihgen | unless someone wants to help me with it :) | 16:09 |
| mihgen | #topic announcements | 16:09 |
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| mihgen | My congratulations on Fuel 5.0 release | 16:10 |
| mihgen | I've pushed out tags, so you can make an ISO 5.0 easily referring to tags | 16:10 |
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| mihgen | Design week has started. The goal for 5.1 release is to finish items which left unfinished after 5.0 | 16:11 |
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| mihgen | Those include patching of openstack as the most important one | 16:11 |
| mattymo | mihgen, I found vkozhukalov | 16:12 |
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| mihgen | vkozhukalov: how can I pass meeting driving to you? | 16:12 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: I'm not an expert with meeting bots | 16:12 |
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| vkozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:12 |
| openstack | vkozhukalov: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 16:12 |
| vkozhukalov | mihgen: I am also not an expert | 16:13 |
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| mihgen | another import thing to finish, at least to make it available via CLI, is ability to deploy single env with multiple L2 networks | 16:13 |
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| mihgen | for large envs it is really network requirement. We started an effort as several bug fixes | 16:14 |
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| mihgen | I believe there is rmoe patch somewhere which has to be finished | 16:14 |
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| mihgen | Starting from 5.0, we are supporting upgrades. So for every change we do now, we have to care about compatibility and upgradability | 16:15 |
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| mihgen | 5.1 will be out as both ISO and package which can be applied to 5.0 to make it 5.1 | 16:16 |
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| mihgen | For the design, we have created fuel-specs repo | 16:16 |
| mihgen | so please let's move all the design docs we've started somewhere else to fuel-specs | 16:16 |
| vkozhukalov | mihgen: there is first spec review request | 16:17 |
| mihgen | It becomes the only acceptable format for official design tracking, and we are following best practices of other openstack projects in this | 16:17 |
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| mihgen | vkozhukalov: great, please share a link | 16:17 |
| vkozhukalov | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/75/95575/17/check/gate-fuel-specs-docs/3499e53/doc/build/html/specs/5.1/image-based-os-provisioning.html | 16:17 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95575/ | 16:18 |
| mihgen | Folks, another important thing are bugs. We've been very busy making 5.0, and left many bugs in master unsolved. | 16:18 |
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| mihgen | I'd like to attract your attention. We really need to squash many Criticals and High bugs there | 16:18 |
| vkozhukalov | infra automatically puts spec in docs draft so as to make convenient to read | 16:18 |
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| mihgen | vkozhukalov: cool, thanks, that's great | 16:18 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: do you know if after merging we will get it somewhere published too? | 16:18 |
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| mihgen | Any questions for 5.1 / overall before we proceed with agenda? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:19 |
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| mihgen | please put '?' if you trying to break me and ask anything | 16:20 |
| mihgen | looks like no questions at the moment, so let's move on | 16:20 |
| vkozhukalov | mihgen: i dont know exactly but it looks like after merging infra will publish spec into docs (not docs draft) | 16:20 |
| mihgen | #topic design status and 5.1 targeted blueprints for fuel-library sub-project | 16:20 |
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| mihgen | aglarendil: your turn :) | 16:21 |
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| aglarendil | hi all | 16:21 |
| aglarendil | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-library-5.1-design-session | 16:21 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: that would be awesome! | 16:21 |
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| aglarendil | here you can find all the fuel library related blueprints | 16:21 |
| aglarendil | that we are going to implement in 5.1 release | 16:22 |
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| aglarendil | many of them are only partialy related | 16:22 |
| aglarendil | some of them, e.g. hyper-v support can be postponed if | 16:22 |
| aglarendil | we do not have sufficient | 16:22 |
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| aglarendil | resource | 16:23 |
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| aglarendil | feel free to add any blueprints to this list | 16:23 |
| aglarendil | if you think we missed something | 16:23 |
| salmon_ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/fuel-deploy-on-softlayer this one can be removed | 16:23 |
| aglarendil | does anyone have any questions or suggestions ? | 16:24 |
| mihgen | That's huge amount of things. Overall strategy is to address the following areas in a first order: | 16:24 |
| aglarendil | salmon_: thank you, I'll do it | 16:24 |
| mihgen | 1) patching & upgrades of openstack | 16:24 |
| mihgen | 2) overall stability, reliability and HA | 16:24 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: some of these things are almost ready | 16:24 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: we need to complete some additional steps | 16:25 |
| mihgen | 3) scalability and certification for large amount of nodes | 16:25 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: HA and resilience are our first priority | 16:25 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: that's cool | 16:25 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: xenolog is working on rabbitmq pacemaker script that will | 16:25 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: make it unbreakable | 16:25 |
| mihgen | another important thing 4) community activities, such as puppet-openstack sync | 16:25 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: holser is working on galera script along with zynzel | 16:25 |
| mihgen | cool | 16:26 |
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| aglarendil | mihgen: we had some really cool meetings on Juno summit | 16:26 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: and we are heading towards merging all the upstream puppet manifests | 16:26 |
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| aglarendil | mihgen: into our master | 16:26 |
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| aglarendil | mihgen: thus it will be easy for us to attach FUEL CI to puppet-openstack stackforge | 16:26 |
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| aglarendil | mihgen: repos | 16:26 |
| salmon_ | for scalability I would like propose https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/fuel-1k and invite everyone to discussion | 16:27 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: guys from puppet-openstack are really yearning for this | 16:27 |
| mihgen | I"m looking forward to see Fuel CI working against puppet-openstack | 16:27 |
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| aglarendil | salmon_: yep, but this is more naligun and Ironic part | 16:27 |
| mihgen | salmon_: cool. I'm not sure though that we want to track it as one bp | 16:27 |
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| mihgen | we may want to make it for every component which we have | 16:27 |
| aglarendil | salmon_: we've already moved to puppet-masterless installation thus deployment is similart for 1k nodes | 16:28 |
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| mihgen | but it can be a virtual blueprint though, with many things which it depends on | 16:28 |
| salmon_ | mihgen: yeah, exactly | 16:28 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: not provisioning though, and not sure if MC is Ok with it too. | 16:29 |
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| mihgen | aglarendil: ok, how is the design phase going on? | 16:29 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: yep, but it is stateless and is easily scalable | 16:29 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: we are still organizing some things | 16:29 |
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| aglarendil | mihgen: also I would like to mention that design period is ending on next Friday | 16:30 |
| aglarendil | so everyone is welcome to participate | 16:30 |
| mattymo | distributed base OS deployment is a bit of a limit. too much concurrency will reduce effectiveness | 16:30 |
| aglarendil | aforemnetioned document will be the base for our discussion | 16:30 |
| mattymo | it would be really awesome if we could see some replicated ironic agents to get closer to a 1-to-100 ratio for concurrent deployment | 16:30 |
| mihgen | for every design doc it is mandatory to have QA expert to approve it before it can be merged, I expect nurla to paying attention to it | 16:31 |
| aglarendil | mattymo: AFAIK this is what going to be addressed in Ironic | 16:31 |
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| mattymo | it is, but we need to decide how it will fit inside Fuel's architecture | 16:31 |
| aglarendil | vkozhukalov: can you comment on this ? | 16:31 |
| mihgen | there is a topic for that in agenda | 16:31 |
| mihgen | should I change a topic now then? | 16:31 |
| mihgen | or aglarendil you want to continue? | 16:32 |
| mihgen | and we will get back to vkozhukalov a bit later | 16:32 |
| vkozhukalov | aglarendil: will tell about it a bit later | 16:32 |
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| aglarendil | I am done | 16:32 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: thanks! | 16:32 |
| mihgen | #topic Openstack Patching status | 16:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack Patching status (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:33 | |
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| akasatkin | Hi all | 16:33 |
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| mihgen | akasatkin: long waited feature :) | 16:33 |
| akasatkin | Status: Nailgun: tests to be added, under review, testing on VM is in progress. UI: need testing on VM, under review. Library: merged. Scripts for preparing patch on master node: not ready (must be reworked after upgrade stuff is merged). | 16:33 |
| akasatkin | A kind of problem: no actual patch example. I just copy existing puppets and repos to imitate patching process. Do we have a technology to assemble patch? | 16:33 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: we really need dilyin to organize this stuff, or someone else | 16:34 |
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| aglarendil | we'll work on it | 16:34 |
| mihgen | do we have a list of possible patches definitions in design docs somewhere? | 16:34 |
| mihgen | akasatkin: did you try to run it all through, I mean all integrated? | 16:34 |
| aglarendil | akasatkin: contact dilyin - he will help you | 16:35 |
| mihgen | does it work anyhow? | 16:35 |
| akasatkin | Not yet. I run nailgun for now. | 16:35 |
| mihgen | akasatkin: do I understand right, that you've not tried to use package of newer version or something like it? | 16:35 |
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| mihgen | akasatkin: ok, let's push hard to run it integrated | 16:36 |
| akasatkin | It seems to be ok. I'll add UI tomorrow. | 16:36 |
| mihgen | sooner we do, the sooner we can discover issues | 16:36 |
| mihgen | I'm more worried about nailgun - fuel lib integration | 16:36 |
| mihgen | than about UI - nailgun, which seems to me pretty simple | 16:36 |
| akasatkin | It should be | 16:37 |
| mihgen | akasatkin: vkramskikh I have another question on all our network refactorings which we were designing about 2 months ago | 16:37 |
| mihgen | where are we with this, will we have any resources to make it at least partly done in 5.1? | 16:37 |
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| vkramskikh | we are going to discuss all the stuff tomorrow | 16:37 |
| akasatkin | we have a meeting tomorrow | 16:37 |
| vkramskikh | it seems there are some contradictions | 16:37 |
| akasatkin | on networking in 5.1 | 16:38 |
| mihgen | I think this largely intersects with pluggable architecture, which we want to deliver in pretty good shape in 6.0 | 16:38 |
| vkramskikh | so we are going to clarify all the stuff | 16:38 |
| mihgen | vkramskikh: cool. Please take a look at this from pluggability perspective and make sure AndreyDanin participates... | 16:38 |
| akasatkin | yep | 16:39 |
| angdraug | vkramskikh: can you provide an agenda for the meeting tomorrow? | 16:39 |
| mihgen | I suspect some plugins will want to build networks programmatically, and now we have just hardcoded amount .. | 16:39 |
| akasatkin | I'll provide it little later | 16:39 |
| akasatkin | angdraug | 16:39 |
| mihgen | ok thanks akasatkin | 16:39 |
| mihgen | anything else? | 16:39 |
| mihgen | can I move on? | 16:39 |
| akasatkin | that's it | 16:39 |
| mihgen | thanks | 16:40 |
| mihgen | #topic Declarative wizard status | 16:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Declarative wizard status (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:40 | |
| vkramskikh | hello | 16:40 |
| vkramskikh | i just want to announce that long-awaited feature was merged 1 hour ago | 16:40 |
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| vkramskikh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71478/ | 16:40 |
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| vkozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71478/ | 16:40 |
| mihgen | vkramskikh: 59 patch sets) are you kidding?))) | 16:40 |
| vkramskikh | we made our wizard declarative, it is now configurable by modifying the config | 16:40 |
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| vkramskikh | yet, that was not easy | 16:40 |
| mihgen | vkramskikh: that's amazing | 16:41 |
| vkramskikh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71478/59/nailgun/static/js/wizard.json that's how the config looks like | 16:41 |
| mihgen | vkramskikh: how about documentation for it? | 16:41 |
| mihgen | and pluggability support? | 16:41 |
| vkramskikh | it is really plugin-friendly and options can be added to the wizard without any JS code | 16:41 |
| vkramskikh | we are going to document it, no documentation yet | 16:42 |
| mihgen | cool, can I add a new plugin description in separate json though? | 16:42 |
| vkozhukalov | looks frightening | 16:42 |
| vkramskikh | yes, that how we going to do this. add a separate json file which needs to be merged with the main config | 16:42 |
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| mihgen | vkramskikh: excellent. One of the ideas is that plugin should be delivered as separate package, so modification of existing files is not a viable option | 16:43 |
| vkramskikh | yes, this approach will be supported | 16:43 |
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| mihgen | great! really nice to see it. | 16:44 |
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| mihgen | vkramskikh: any more updates? | 16:44 |
| vkramskikh | nope | 16:44 |
| mihgen | vkramskikh: ok, good, thanks | 16:44 |
| mihgen | #topic Image based provisioning | 16:44 |
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| vkozhukalov | the situation here is not very good | 16:45 |
| vkozhukalov | ironic guys rejected partitioning at all | 16:45 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: doesn't sound good | 16:45 |
| vkozhukalov | it one of our major features | 16:45 |
| vkozhukalov | besides, they try to be very limited in their scope | 16:46 |
| mihgen | I strongly believe that flexible partitioning schemas is very important, especially for small private clouds | 16:46 |
| vkozhukalov | in order to integrate with nova | 16:46 |
| xarses | do we just own partitioning ourselves then? | 16:46 |
| mihgen | be limited in scope may be not that bad idea though =) | 16:46 |
| vkozhukalov | our suggestion for now is to address our partitioning issues | 16:46 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: so we still need ironic and partitioning to fix our problems with cobbler | 16:47 |
| vkozhukalov | without use of ironic | 16:47 |
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| vkozhukalov | there is a spec review request | 16:47 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: ok, do we still need ironic itself? | 16:47 |
| mattymo | I proposed to vkozhukalov that we ship with a small root and read metadata to extend to the rest of the disk according to a scheme | 16:47 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95575 | 16:47 |
| mihgen | mattymo: that may work too, details are important though | 16:47 |
| mattymo | it's not as beautiful as a really well thought out solution | 16:47 |
| mattymo | I can go into better detail because this was a solution for encrypted laptops in a previous life | 16:48 |
| vkozhukalov | my suggestion is to postpone ironic integration for a while | 16:48 |
| vkozhukalov | and implement at last image based provisioning | 16:48 |
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| mattymo | vkozhukalov, what will transport the images? | 16:49 |
| xarses | vkozhukalov: I think we would need to work around the issue, deploying at larger scale, images are important | 16:49 |
| vkozhukalov | then once it work will think of ironic | 16:49 |
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| vkozhukalov | mattymo: we will just download them via http | 16:49 |
| vkozhukalov | mattymo: it is scalable enough | 16:49 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: details are needed, really. Please start conversation in mailing list - I would like to see all of us engaged into the discussion. | 16:49 |
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| angdraug | what about bittorrent? that remained an abandoned experiment? | 16:50 |
| mihgen | or we can read https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95575/17/specs/5.1/image-based-os-provisioning.rst and provide comments there | 16:50 |
| vkozhukalov | mattymo: if we really need something like torrent we can implement that also | 16:50 |
| mihgen | depends on what's gonna be easier | 16:50 |
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| mihgen | torrent would be awesome to have I believe, that's the kind of innovation I always wanted, frankly | 16:51 |
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| vkozhukalov | mihgen: is review request not an appropriate place to have a discussion? | 16:51 |
| mihgen | especially if it's that easy and solves scalability as far as I see | 16:51 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: it is appropriate | 16:51 |
| mihgen | depends on topics of discussion | 16:51 |
| mihgen | I think review request is rather for details | 16:51 |
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| mihgen | and overall ideas rather needs to be discussed in ML | 16:52 |
| vkozhukalov | mihgen: ok | 16:52 |
| mihgen | it's just about conveniency to me, so I don't push for anything here. | 16:52 |
| mihgen | ok, thanks vkozhukalov . | 16:52 |
| mihgen | should we move on? | 16:52 |
| vkozhukalov | mihgen: it is not a problem at all to implement torrent as well, it is rather a problem to contribute all that stuff | 16:52 |
| mihgen | ok, I see, we would need to run this through your review or ML then | 16:53 |
| mihgen | #topic Open Discussions | 16:53 |
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| mihgen | Folks, feel free to ask questions | 16:53 |
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| salmon_ | I would like to talk about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96429/ | 16:54 |
| mihgen | I'd like to express one more thing about planning for releases - to be successful in 6.0 with pluggable architecture, we really need to start now | 16:54 |
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| salmon_ | some fuel folks suggesting that using basic http auth will be ok. For me it's not enough. First of all, it looks ugly. Secondly we still have to implement handlers for password change. And if in the future we will need something more advanced we will have to rewrite it from scratch. | 16:54 |
| mihgen | same applies to upgrade of openstack | 16:54 |
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| vkramskikh | do we want to protect nailgun API or just the UI? | 16:55 |
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| mihgen | Ideally both.. | 16:55 |
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| salmon_ | all proposed sollutions protects ui and api | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | salmon_: if you feel that you can dedicate all your time to make it properly in 5.1, then it's cool to have implemented in ideal way | 16:56 |
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| xarses | We have to protect both, since we can deploy os to hardware, this is an attact vector | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | Folks actually can we start with simple prototype may be? to lower the risk of missing a 5.1 date? | 16:57 |
| xarses | right now some one could just hit cobbler api and replace images and create many infected nodes | 16:57 |
| salmon_ | mihgen: I have enough resources to do it | 16:57 |
| mihgen | that's true about cobbler | 16:57 |
| mihgen | salmon_: I'm all for it then, however let's put clearly phases into design doc | 16:58 |
| mihgen | when we can ask for what part | 16:58 |
| mihgen | so we could identify earlier if we are becoming late | 16:58 |
| mihgen | to have some backup plan | 16:58 |
| salmon_ | mihgen: ok, so can we forst agree on min requirments? | 16:58 |
| salmon_ | *fitsy | 16:58 |
| salmon_ | *first | 16:58 |
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| mihgen | what do you think, can we split a work onto few pieces? | 16:59 |
| salmon_ | sure we can | 16:59 |
| mihgen | salmon_: yep, I think so. | 16:59 |
| xarses | api must be protected, too because you could just download passwords from fuel | 16:59 |
| mihgen | salmon_: please engage other to help you with review | 16:59 |
| mihgen | folks 1 min left | 16:59 |
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| mihgen | any more questions? | 16:59 |
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| xarses | Two things from me. 1)We need to stop having meetings and posting results with out sending meeting invites out (especially on ML) | 16:59 |
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| salmon_ | mihgen: I'm trying but not to many people are commenting | 17:00 |
| xarses | 2) I propose we consider Testing MOS/Fuel on OpenStack https://gist.github.com/xarses/9d9cae6acea7d9f22509 | 17:00 |
| mihgen | thanks xarses, will consider this. We can also move to #fuel-dev if there is anything left. | 17:00 |
| mihgen | I'm closing the meeting, thanks everyone, and my congrats again on 5.0 ! | 17:00 |
| mihgen | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 29 17:00:59 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-05-29-16.08.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-05-29-16.08.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-05-29-16.08.log.html | 17:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sahara folks, ping | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:01 |
| tosky | pong | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 29 18:01:31 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:01 |
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| crobertsrh | hello | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 18:01 |
| mattf | hi | 18:01 |
| aignatov | o/ | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:02 |
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| aignatov | I’m resuming implementation sahara resource in heat | 18:03 |
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| aignatov | just resolving comments I had a month ago :) | 18:03 |
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| aignatov | also found several issues in hadoop 2 vanilla plugin | 18:04 |
| elmiko | finishing up the dib repo branch change, trying to get the final version of disconnected hdp plugin, starting to look into swift security issues, and helping with horizon reviews | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm working on auth conf patches, it's extremely near to be finished, working on setting up -specs for pilot and on improving sahara testing in gate (all images building in gate is coming soon) | 18:04 |
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| aignatov | the first one is that service provisioning is not ran in parallel | 18:05 |
| aignatov | and that there was not ability to run HDFS service only | 18:05 |
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| tmckay | crobertsrh and I tracked down an intermittent bug that was causing clusters to be stuck in "Starting" sometimes ... mostly Fedora. Problem is in DIB | 18:05 |
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| crobertsrh | merging into horizon is still ongoing. Reviews have been sporadic. I think I'm up to date with all of them though.....awaiting further abuse. | 18:05 |
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| tmckay | currently back working on spark plugin/edp after bug day | 18:06 |
| mattf | crobertsrh, is there a unit test hurdle? | 18:06 |
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| aignatov | tmckay: are you going to implement edp functionality in spark? | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info bug triage day happens | 18:06 |
| crobertsrh | Yes, we still need unit tests. They are on my radar. | 18:06 |
| tmckay | aignatov, that is my mission! We might be able to do it easily with oozie java action or oozie shell action, investigating | 18:07 |
| tmckay | aignatov, that would let us separate the effort from a pluggable job model | 18:07 |
| crobertsrh | I think now that I'm caught up on reviews, I'll start adding unit tests. | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link http://status.openstack.org/bugday/ | 18:07 |
| * mattf nods | 18:07 | |
| aignatov | tmckay: sahara’s datasources are capable with spark? | 18:07 |
| aignatov | tmckay: right | 18:07 |
| tmckay | aignatov, heh, too early to tell | 18:07 |
| aignatov | ok, just wondering | 18:08 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: lol, i think we win bugday | 18:08 |
| tmckay | aignatov, I can launch spark clusters now, then there was bugday, now edp.... | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko,exactly, it's a great result | 18:08 |
| crobertsrh | Yeah, we really kicked butt on bug day | 18:08 |
| aignatov | also guys, as continuation, we have to file blueprints for all points we declared at summit :) | 18:08 |
| aignatov | points to implement | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | now we need bug fix day :) | 18:09 |
| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: what do you think? | 18:09 |
| tmckay | blueprint day? | 18:09 |
| aignatov | why not? :) | 18:09 |
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| tmckay | and bug fixing day, too | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, I'll add bps for releasing/versioning/elements after end of discussions | 18:10 |
| tmckay | "days" make me happy because I don't feel bad about ignoring other stuff | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:10 |
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| mattf | bugfixday =?= weekday | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we could make a bug fix day before the j2 freeze | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | j1* | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | June 9 | 18:10 |
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| elmiko | +1 to before j1 freeze | 18:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic juno-1 | 18:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://launchpad.net/sahara/+milestone/juno-1 | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | looks nice presuming re-targeting some bps | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Note: juno-1 dev milestone release is June 12 | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 18:12 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info j1 freeze / m-p branch cut is June 10 | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any question re j1? | 18:13 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 18:14 |
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| aignatov | no questions :) | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | [WIP] SergeyLukjanov to prepare -specs infra for pilot | 18:14 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we already have a repo for specs | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll configure jobs and add templates soon | 18:14 |
| mattf | for later - can we get http://www.openstack.org/software/roadmap/ cleaned up? it still references savanna and spells it savannah | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, I'll contact o.o maintainers | 18:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #action SergeyLukjanov contact http://www.openstack.org/software/roadmap/ maintainers to update sahara-related things | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, thanks for catching this | 18:16 |
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| mattf | i'm at hadoop summit all next week, so my bps should be pushed | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, ack | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Subprojects releasing | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, the main question is about sahara-image-elements | 18:18 |
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| mattf | what are the hurdles to getting sahara-ci to be intelligent enough to avoid rebuilding images on each commit? | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | my idea is to make it pypi package like it's done for dib and rework our scripts on python to make easier to support and test them | 18:18 |
| alazarev | I believe it should be in sahara repo | 18:18 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: +1 | 18:19 |
| aignatov | I agree with SergeyLukjanov | 18:19 |
| alazarev | +1 | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, we can do it, it's not a reason itself | 18:19 |
| mattf | when you say rework our scripts, do you mean convert bash -> python? | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yup | 18:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, as elmiko proposed in ML | 18:20 |
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| bob_nettleton | SergeyLukjanov, I'm not sure I agree with this. are you talking about the Sahara elements as well, or just the top-level script. | 18:20 |
| mattf | i'm not a fan of that | 18:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and we'll be able just to add dib to requirements of sahara-image-elements | 18:20 |
| elmiko | if we are going to turn it into a pypi package i think we should at least make the diskimage-create a python script | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, bob_nettleton, it's only about diskimage-create | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's now a bunch of args-handling code | 18:21 |
| mattf | it can be cleaned up significantly w/o being rewritten in another language | 18:21 |
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| bob_nettleton | SergeyLukjanov, my concern is that it has taken a while to get the image building repo to be basically stable, so a move like this may not be desirable at this time. | 18:22 |
| elmiko | my main gripe about continuing to use shell script is that adding args is a pita | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, agreed | 18:22 |
| elmiko | also, most of the shell stuff could be converted to subprocess anyway | 18:23 |
| mattf | elmiko, you're suggesting the elements should stay bash tho? | 18:23 |
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| elmiko | mattf: yea, i don't see why we need to break the elements just the head script | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anyway, question of rewriting diskimage-create on python is a separated one, it's not required for making it pypi package | 18:23 |
| bob_nettleton | elmiko, sure, that makes sense. still worried about moving this project over though, just for stability reasons. | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, /me and elmiko aren't proposing changing elements, only diskimage-create script | 18:24 |
| elmiko | bob_nettleton: agreed, i would only propose creating a diskimage-create.py in addition until we have feature parity | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yup, and well tested | 18:24 |
| bob_nettleton | elmiko, ok, that sounds ok to me, provided we leave the main sahara elements in bash for the time being. | 18:24 |
| mattf | i'm for merging the elements into the main sahara repository -- i was sold w/ the argument that we have changes that impact both at the same time | 18:24 |
| elmiko | mattf: if we move elements into the main sahara repo, where does diskimage-create.sh end up ? | 18:25 |
| bob_nettleton | mattf, +1, as long as the CI system can handle changes in a smart way, as you mentioned earlier. | 18:25 |
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| mattf | elmiko, sahara/smthn | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | no pypi package, no dependency on diskimage-builder, no separated jobs in gate and etc. if we merge it into sahara | 18:26 |
| mattf | contrib ? dib ? elements ? | 18:26 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | the whole OS infra is done to make jobs per project, not per directory | 18:26 |
| mattf | what's the value of a separate pypi package? | 18:26 |
| elmiko | i'm ok with moving the image-elements stuff into the main sahara package, it makes some sense to me. | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh, I'm now sad that I've initially started this discussion on summit with my option to merge elements into sahara | 18:27 |
| * mattf grins | 18:27 | |
| mattf | you were too convincing and logical | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | you guys say about lots of concerns on summit | 18:28 |
| mattf | ...healthy debate | 18:28 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and that's why I've re-iterated on it and for me - there are less + for merging | 18:28 |
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| mattf | i thought we were essentially settling on a merge | 18:28 |
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| aignatov | instead of implementing new functional to support elements in sahara repo and sahara-ci … and instead of reworking to another launguage we could leave it as is in current repo and just release it each milestone | 18:29 |
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| bob_nettleton | SergeyLukjanov, besides the separate pypi package, are there other benefits to making this change, other than the obvious one of it being nice to have everything in one project? | 18:30 |
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| elmiko | aignatov: path of least resistance? | 18:30 |
| aignatov | it works now well, why do we need change it at all? | 18:30 |
| mattf | imho having it in sync w/ the plugins is more important than "releasing" w/ a separate package | 18:30 |
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| mattf | i'm still not sure what the value of a separate pypi package is | 18:31 |
| alazarev | aignatov: to be synced with plugins | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, both repos have releases j1 - j1 and etc | 18:31 |
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| aignatov | elmiko: yes, I think community has a lots of more important task then moving one repo to another | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, and master should work on master, we'll probably never will be able to build a fresh image for each CI job | 18:31 |
| tmckay | mattf, +1 on synchronizing, the bug we found with rc.local and vanilla on Fedora as an example | 18:31 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, we'll not find such bugs, because it's impossible to run full test matrix | 18:32 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | especially building new image in each job | 18:32 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, I mean having the code in the same repo to make changes | 18:32 |
| elmiko | aignatov: agreed about more important tasks | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, ++ | 18:32 |
| alazarev | aignatov: ++ | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | from the images publishing PoV - it could be done w/o magic only for separated repo | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | automatically* | 18:33 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, my point is to keep it as is because: we have much more important tasks, simpler CI, packaged scripts with dib, direct dependency on dib, we could even add gate tests to make dib gating on us | 18:34 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | oh, that's a new idea - add gate tests to make dib gating on us | 18:34 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | it's possible only for separated repo I think | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | in good way | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, re coupling - there are no real issues right now with it IMO | 18:35 |
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| tmckay | I'm fine with keeping it as is | 18:35 |
| bob_nettleton | SergeyLukjanov, if adding a gate like that is possible, I think it's something to consider. Mike's recent patch will help stabilize the diskimage-create.sh script, but there have been many breakages in DIB proper recently. | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | probably merging is preventive optimization atm | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I've been proposing it to make releasing easier but miss some things that were rised on summit and after it | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | raised* | 18:36 |
| bob_nettleton | while I do like the idea of everything being under one project, I'm ok with keeping things as they are as well. | 18:36 |
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| elmiko | i think the dib gating issue should be investigated more, i like the idea of merging but i agree there are a lot of details and we have higher priority issues. | 18:37 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any more objections for keeping sahara-image-elements as is? | 18:38 |
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| aignatov | actually I’m ok with moving elements to sahara, there are a lot of advantages keeping it together but lets do it not in this release cycle :) | 18:39 |
| elmiko | aignatov: +1 | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | currently I'm absolutely against moving them to sahara but we could re-iterate on it next cycle when we'll have more experience of working with it | 18:40 |
| aignatov | just lets specify releasing strategy for elements project, it are minimal efforts :) | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, I'm writing agreed message | 18:40 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed keep sahara-image-elements releasing as is | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #undo | 18:41 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Agreed object at 0x23b35d0> | 18:41 |
| aignatov | for Juno cylce should be added | 18:41 |
| aignatov | :) | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed keep sahara-image-elements releasing as is, re-iterate next cycle | 18:42 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and one more question is about -extra internals | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we have job samples @ extra | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | swiftfs @ extra | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | rest samples @ sahara | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I remember that there were some ideas about them | 18:43 |
| tmckay | I think job samples could move to sahara, because integration tests use some of the same code | 18:43 |
| elmiko | i like the idea of bringing the examples into sahara | 18:43 |
| tmckay | in fact, all of the integration test jobs could be made examples | 18:44 |
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| tmckay | and, we store them with source code too and a README with a compile line | 18:44 |
| tmckay | for users, and so that we know how to change them if necessary :) | 18:44 |
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| aignatov | as for rest samples I think we can move it to the docs :) | 18:45 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, ++ | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, ++ | 18:46 |
| elmiko | tmckay, aignatov, +1 | 18:46 |
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| tmckay | also some of those things are in the cli tests, too, but I'm not sure how to fix that | 18:46 |
| tmckay | maybe there is some way to point at sahara | 18:46 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, you could add conf option that points to jars for example | 18:47 |
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| tmckay | ah, good idea | 18:47 |
| aignatov | if all agree with moving rest samples to the docs I can take this action item on me | 18:47 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed move rest samples to docs | 18:48 |
| aignatov | I’ll also rework them with new hadoop and changes in edp made in icehouse | 18:48 |
| tmckay | I can move the edp examples, I am familiar with the use in both repos | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action aignatov create bp re moving/updating rest samples docs and do it | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, awesome | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed move edp samples to sahara | 18:48 |
| aignatov | tmckay: cool | 18:49 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #action tmckay create bp re moving edp samples to sahara and make test jobs examples | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it sounds like we should add a page to the docs re edp examples | 18:49 |
| aignatov | yes | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | instead of README file | 18:49 |
| tmckay | +1 | 18:50 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: +1 | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anything else to move?:) | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | or keep as is | 18:50 |
| tmckay | change the name? | 18:50 |
| * tmckay ducks | 18:50 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | hm | 18:50 |
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| tmckay | that was a bad joke | 18:51 |
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| elmiko | tmckay: savanna -> sahara -> tundra? | 18:51 |
| tmckay | lol | 18:51 |
| aignatov | -> desert | 18:51 |
| tmckay | the Toyota people might get mad | 18:51 |
| * SergeyLukjanov nervously nod | 18:51 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | -> arctica | 18:51 |
| elmiko | nice | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | -> Space | 18:51 |
| elmiko | lol | 18:51 |
| aignatov | -> nothing | 18:52 |
| tmckay | the final frontier | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | -> zeromq | 18:52 |
| elmiko | oh man... | 18:52 |
| tmckay | heh | 18:52 |
| aignatov | lol | 18:52 |
| aignatov | what’s about integrtion tests for UI? should we move it? ;) | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Hadoop on steroids == ZeroDoop | 18:52 |
| * elmiko likes | 18:52 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | (zeromq == sockets on steroids) | 18:52 |
| tmckay | Beverly | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh, 7 mins left, lets return back to the meeting | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Pilot bps for -specs | 18:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pilot bps for -specs (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:53 | |
| mattf | so we're punting on image-elements? | 18:53 |
| tmckay | seems like | 18:53 |
| elmiko | mattf: yea | 18:53 |
| tmckay | til next time | 18:53 |
| mattf | gotcha | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | backward compat could be used for -specs pilot (it was proposed on prev. meeting) | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we should try some small bp too to taste how it's crazy to create spec for simple bp | 18:54 |
| tmckay | or moving edp examples, should be a simple blueprint | 18:54 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: +1 to trying some small bps | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | good candidate for small bp try | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 5 mins left | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:55 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | time for some q. | 18:55 |
| elmiko | bob_nettleton: did you see my email about the packages for ambari? | 18:55 |
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| aignatov | should we send small wrap-up to ML about edp plans like it was done for releasing and backward compat of api? | 18:57 |
| elmiko | aignatov: sounds like a good idea to me | 18:57 |
| bob_nettleton | elmiko, yes, sorry I haven't replied yet. I haven't had a chance to look into that. we might need John Speidel to review your patch as well, since he's probably the expert on that area of the HDP plugin code. | 18:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, tmckay, it'll be really great if you could collaborate on it and send to ML | 18:57 |
| elmiko | bob_nettleton: ok, i'm open to expanding the detection code to look for the installed packages before giving up on an instance | 18:58 |
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| elmiko | bob_nettleton: my intention is that the package detection code would only run in situations where there is no connection to the internet | 18:58 |
| aignatov | ok, we’ll do | 18:58 |
| mattf | are we at a point w/ heat that we can enable it and start ignoring the username attr on images? | 18:58 |
| tmckay | aignatov, you mean a wrapup from the EDP design session? | 18:58 |
| bob_nettleton | elmiko, ok, makes sense | 18:58 |
| aignatov | tmckay: yes | 18:58 |
| tmckay | #action aignatov and tmckay will do a wrapup via the EDP design session from Summit via openstack-dev | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, probably it's time to hide this field when heat enabled | 18:59 |
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| mattf | j1 or j2? | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, but I prefer to enable it by default when we add some tests for heat to the gate | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, for guarantees | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, j2 | 19:00 |
| mattf | k | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll create a bp for it | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and try to make a spec | 19:00 |
| aignatov | j2 seems good | 19:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | with work items | 19:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #action SergeyLukjanov create bp with steps to enable heat be default | 19:00 |
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| aignatov | out of time | 19:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #action SergeyLukjanov create bp about removing/hiding username@image for heat based provisioning | 19:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ooops | 19:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| mattf | aignatov, think that last action should count? | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 29 19:01:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-05-29-18.01.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-05-29-18.01.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-05-29-18.01.log.html | 19:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thank you folks! | 19:01 |
| elmiko | thanks Sergey | 19:01 |
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| aignatov | thx | 19:02 |
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| markwash | so close to glance time | 19:58 |
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| nikhil__ | :) | 19:58 |
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| markwash | #startmeeting glance | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 29 20:00:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 20:00 |
| markwash | howdy everybody | 20:00 |
| nikhil__ | o/ | 20:00 |
| arnaud | o/ | 20:00 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 20:00 |
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| eddie_ | o/ | 20:00 |
| nikhil__ | markwash: we'd a meeting last week and the minutes are in the etherpad | 20:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 20:00 |
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| markwash | great, thanks guys for running that | 20:01 |
| nikhil__ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 20:01 |
| markwash | sorry I couldn't be around | 20:01 |
| nikhil__ | np | 20:01 |
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| markwash | I accidentally scheduled my return trip from Atlanta (well east coast) during that time | 20:01 |
| nikhil__ | nothing major, just had some action items and questions for you. Hopefully, we can cover that today. | 20:01 |
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| nikhil__ | *action items for different people, questions for you | 20:02 |
| markwash | yes lets do, but first I'm going to pull rank and add a few quick items to the top of the agenda | 20:02 |
| markwash | First off, the buzz in the project meetings lately | 20:02 |
| nikhil__ | np, just trying to bring it up for people who might hold me responsible ;) | 20:02 |
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| markwash | which you can see here http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/ | 20:02 |
| markwash | and here http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ | 20:03 |
| markwash | the big topics lately have been the specs repo | 20:03 |
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| markwash | and juno 1 | 20:03 |
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| markwash | so Juno-1 ends pretty soon actually | 20:03 |
| markwash | June 12 | 20:04 |
| markwash | and we're going to be transitioning to glance-specs as the entry point for feature proposals as opposed to Launchpad | 20:04 |
| markwash | launchpad will still be used for tracking milestones and release candidates | 20:04 |
| arnaud | #link https://github.com/openstack/glance-specs | 20:04 |
| markwash | to summarize, there will be automatic scripts which push approved entries in glance-specs to Launchpad, and which kick out of Launchpad anything that is not in glance specs | 20:05 |
| markwash | We'll turn those scripts on soon, once we've prioritized everything in Juno-1 that belongs in Juno-1 (the scripts will ignore prioritized and approved bps) | 20:05 |
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| markwash | For J2 and beyond I'd like to see everything come through glance-specs | 20:06 |
| markwash | questions about this setup? I went a little fast :-) | 20:06 |
| ativelkov | Is there any doc on how to use glance-specs? | 20:07 |
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| arnaud | the repo contains instructions | 20:07 |
| arnaud | https://github.com/openstack/glance-specs/blob/master/README.rst | 20:07 |
| arnaud | and you use the template https://github.com/openstack/glance-specs/blob/master/specs/template.rst | 20:08 |
| arnaud | to build your spec | 20:08 |
| arnaud | highly inspired by nova-specs | 20:08 |
| arnaud | the specs should be created in the juno/ folder | 20:08 |
| eddie_ | how about after a spec has been approved and development is happening? | 20:09 |
| markwash | Just to be clear, we're not doing this to throw up a process barrier. Using glance-specs should make it a lot easier to notice and properly review new proposals that come in. Launchpad as the entry point was kind of a disaster | 20:09 |
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| eddie_ | will there be an annotation we should put in commit messages to link back to the spec like how we do with "bp blah" that links back to launchpad? | 20:09 |
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| arnaud | no, because when you start the coding part, the BP will also be in launchpad | 20:10 |
| eddie_ | ah, ok | 20:10 |
| arnaud | and, as you can see in the template, we ask people to use the same identifier in LP and the spec | 20:11 |
| arnaud | my-bp.spec launchpad/my-bp | 20:11 |
| markwash | just found a quick example in nova: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94047/ | 20:11 |
| arnaud | the reference to the spec is contained in Launchpad | 20:12 |
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| markwash | next item up is some a summary of the Graffiti discussions I've been having | 20:12 |
| markwash | any more questions about specs? | 20:12 |
| ativelkov | If we submit dependent specs, will this lead to the creation of dependent BPs? | 20:13 |
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| markwash | hmm I actually do not know how that is handled | 20:14 |
| arnaud | markwash, this should be part of the script (maybe it is not yet) | 20:14 |
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| arnaud | ativelkov, we will check that | 20:15 |
| markwash | #action markwash ask ttx about dependency handling for specs & blueprints | 20:15 |
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| markwash | #topic graffitti | 20:15 |
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| markwash | hint: I do not know how to spell graffiti | 20:15 |
| markwash | Many of you probably saw the Graffiti talk at the summit | 20:16 |
| markwash | And here is some more info about it: | 20:16 |
| markwash | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhrthnq1bnw&feature=youtu.be | 20:16 |
| markwash | Basically, it is a project to make it easier to discover the appropriate tags and metadata to use on various cloud resources | 20:16 |
| markwash | and it needs some backend storage of metadata schemas and tag descriptions | 20:17 |
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| markwash | So I've been helping the guys craft their proposal for adding this backend stuff to Glance | 20:17 |
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| markwash | Expect to see this proposal on the ML soon | 20:17 |
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| ativelkov | As far as I understood, they wanted to use Graffiti as a backend for custom metadata properties for the artifacts | 20:18 |
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| arnaud | markwash, that's what I was going to ask: there is a dependency to artifact right? | 20:18 |
| markwash | I don't think there is a hard dependency on the artifacts | 20:18 |
| markwash | actually a lot of the initial use cases are about explaining things like flavor and volume extra-specs | 20:18 |
| markwash | but I think its relevant to the Catalog mission because we want to support a good UX around tags and metadata in the artifact repository | 20:19 |
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| markwash | ativelkov: there was some talk about that use case but I think they're not going in that direction at this time | 20:20 |
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| ativelkov | I see | 20:20 |
| markwash | ativelkov: rather, think of it as a place to store schemas about user-metadata. . its a bit silly because we typically think of user-metadata as not having any runtime implications, however, that's not quite accurate in the cloud today | 20:20 |
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| markwash | ativelkov: I think in the future a lot of the Graffiti horizon components would consume directly from artifact type schemas | 20:21 |
| markwash | but anyway, I just wanted to let you guys know my involvement and that these discussion are going on | 20:22 |
| markwash | and give you a bit of a heads up | 20:22 |
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| markwash | just want to make sure everyone is aware and has the opportunity to participate in shaping how these use cases are met | 20:22 |
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| markwash | looks like next up is a discussion of bug tagging | 20:23 |
| markwash | any other thoughts for now about Graffitti? | 20:23 |
| markwash | #topic bug tagging | 20:24 |
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| markwash | looks like jokke is not here, nikhil__ notes about this topic? | 20:24 |
| markwash | eek, did I netsplit? | 20:25 |
| nikhil__ | markwash: will need to dig through the logs, don't have it top of my head | 20:25 |
| markwash | ah phew | 20:25 |
| nikhil__ | ah | 20:26 |
| markwash | it looks like the proposal is to use a "propose-close" tag to indicate bugs that are no longer valid, but we want a little more review before closing them completely | 20:26 |
| arnaud | btw, just to let you know guys, we are planning organizing a bug day soon | 20:26 |
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| arnaud | I am going to send an email to the ML soon | 20:26 |
| markwash | it also looks like folks generally concurred with the proposal to use this tag | 20:26 |
| markwash | does that sound accurate? | 20:26 |
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| nikhil__ | no one opposed that idea | 20:27 |
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| markwash | well it sounds fine to me :-) | 20:27 |
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| markwash | #agreed use "propose-close" tag to indicate bugs that probably should be closed but need a little more review | 20:28 |
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| nikhil__ | markwash: should launchpad not have a duplicate status for a bug? | 20:28 |
| markwash | nikhil__: I think it should… I've used it before | 20:29 |
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| nikhil__ | eddie_: and I ran into this bug yesterday and could not mark it duplicate | 20:29 |
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| nikhil__ | seems the option vanished somehow | 20:29 |
| markwash | hmm, that's odd | 20:30 |
| nikhil__ | yep, don't see it now in any of the bugs I'm checking | 20:30 |
| markwash | hmm, I see it over to the right side of the screen | 20:31 |
| markwash | can you use 'bug url'/+duplicate ? | 20:31 |
| markwash | anyway, don't want to get too far into the weeds on launchpad just now | 20:32 |
| markwash | #topic multiple containers for swift store | 20:32 |
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| arnaud | "Mark as duplicate" I see it too | 20:32 |
| nikhil__ | no, on the question above | 20:32 |
| markwash | hmm, weird, might be a permissions issue | 20:33 |
| eddie_ | oh, duh, I see it now | 20:33 |
| eddie_ | not where I expected to find it | 20:33 |
| markwash | Anybody here to discuss the agenda item about multiple containers in the swift store? | 20:34 |
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| nikhil__ | rosmaita: ^ | 20:34 |
| rosmaita | hi | 20:35 |
| rosmaita | the outline is in the etherpad | 20:35 |
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| markwash | rosmaita: this sounds related to some previous work | 20:36 |
| markwash | about password management | 20:36 |
| nikhil__ | is flaper87 here as well (may be good for awareness on the glace.store code) ? | 20:36 |
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| rosmaita | i guess my main question is, how much do we have to worry about other projects that rely on how glance is currently configured? | 20:37 |
| markwash | are you worried about other projects talking directly to the swift store? | 20:37 |
| rosmaita | yes, that's it | 20:38 |
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| rosmaita | i guess glance.store would mediate | 20:38 |
| markwash | well, I suppose as long as the configuration change is optional (which I suppose it has to be anyway) there shouldn't need to be much of a problem | 20:38 |
| rosmaita | when it's available? | 20:38 |
| notmyname | if you have a glance-specific prefix for containers in swift, would that help? | 20:38 |
| notmyname | there's nothing to stop someone from messing with glance data in swift today, is there? | 20:39 |
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| rosmaita | notmyname: no, there's not, but that's not what i'm worried about | 20:39 |
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| rosmaita | want people who know how to find the data to still be able to find it | 20:39 |
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| markwash | I'm not sure we have a good index to see what may be accessing the store directly | 20:40 |
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| markwash | err -> s/the store/the container/ | 20:40 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:40 |
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| markwash | rosmaita: if we made sure that the swift store in glance.store worked properly before adding a multi-container option, we could ask any other applications talking to the container directly to adopt glance.store. . would that help your concerns? | 20:41 |
| flaper87 | mmh, not sure I understand what the problem is | 20:41 |
| rosmaita | markwash: yes | 20:42 |
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| markwash | AFAICT, the problem is that if we suddenly start storing images differently in swift containers, then certain out of tree enhancements might suddenly break | 20:42 |
| nikhil__ | yeah | 20:42 |
| rosmaita | exactly | 20:42 |
| markwash | I think we just need to be as good as we can about notification and having alternatives available for people who would be in that spot | 20:43 |
| rosmaita | so i guess we need to notify other projects on the ML ? | 20:43 |
| flaper87 | right, but glance.store won't change the way we store images in swift. | 20:43 |
| flaper87 | at least that's not part of the plan | 20:43 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: +! | 20:43 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 20:43 |
| markwash | flaper87: right. . I think rosmaita is proposing that we do change it as a feature in glance.store at some point | 20:44 |
| rosmaita | flaper87: how close is the swift part of glance.store to getting done? | 20:44 |
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| rosmaita | (you told me at the summit but i forgot) | 20:44 |
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| markwash | as I recall flaper87 needs somebody to help untangle the ungainly multi-swift store code | 20:44 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: I... haven't done it yet. it'd take a day or two, TBH. It's not a lot of work. I just don't know that code so I was hoping someone already familiar with it to take over | 20:44 |
| nikhil__ | multi tenant is a mystery by itself | 20:45 |
| flaper87 | nikhil__: yeah | 20:45 |
| flaper87 | I'll stab that code asap | 20:45 |
| markwash | rosmaita: can we resolve to make a functional glance.store a prereq of such a feature, along with ML notifications? there are a few more things to get to today | 20:45 |
| flaper87 | I started doing changes in glance (I submitted a patch today) | 20:45 |
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| markwash | flaper87: yay | 20:45 |
| rosmaita | sure, i just wanted a preliminary discussion | 20:45 |
| markwash | #agreed we need a functional glance.store prior to adding multiple container support (which is different from multi-tenant) to the swift store | 20:46 |
| markwash | for the rest of today we need to talk about glance tasks and also the mid-cycle meetup | 20:46 |
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| * flaper87 agrees with that | 20:46 | |
| markwash | can we do the meetup first? | 20:46 |
| markwash | s/meetup first/meetup discussion first/ | 20:47 |
| markwash | heh | 20:47 |
| nikhil__ | the other day, I tried to figure if some input could be provided however based on how that is structured, it seems some more work needs to be done to be able to use it | 20:47 |
| nikhil__ | markwash: sure | 20:47 |
| markwash | okay thanks! | 20:47 |
| markwash | #topic mid cycle meetup | 20:47 |
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| markwash | I've been lagging on the planning part of the meetup and I was hoping some folks could step up and take charge of this | 20:47 |
| arnaud | markwash, did you get a chance to talk to the OpenStack people? | 20:48 |
| markwash | yes | 20:48 |
| markwash | they don't have any real input to provide | 20:48 |
| markwash | so we're on our own | 20:49 |
| arnaud | I see | 20:49 |
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| nikhil__ | markwash: what did the survery results yield? | 20:49 |
| markwash | I actually did not see the results of the survey, is ashwini around to share? | 20:49 |
| arnaud | VMware can host the event, the problem being that most of the people are in Virginia :) so that might not be the best way to go | 20:49 |
| ash__ | i am here | 20:49 |
| ash__ | rackspace folks will be okay with any locations | 20:50 |
| markwash | ash__: did it seem like west coast would suit enough folks? | 20:50 |
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| markwash | I liked your idea of colocating with the nova summit (even though its a little hard on my schedule personally!) | 20:50 |
| ash__ | and I actually did not send out the survey, I prepared it but was waiting on Mark to waive the flag for sending it :) | 20:50 |
| markwash | ash__: I think I sent it out to the ML | 20:51 |
| ash__ | nova one is in portland | 20:51 |
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| markwash | I might have messed up though | 20:51 |
| nikhil__ | markwash: got your email | 20:51 |
| ash__ | oh okay.. then I missed seeing it but it does not send me auto notifications so will check results now | 20:51 |
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| markwash | so is there a group who has reasonably flexible support and can step up to plan the meetup? | 20:52 |
| arnaud | just want to confirm: what are the aspects of the sponsorship? a place to have the meetings and the food right? | 20:52 |
| arnaud | is there something else? | 20:52 |
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| ash__ | for the folks that responded so far, preference is east coast..8 replies so far | 20:53 |
| ash__ | place and food mostly | 20:53 |
| arnaud | if we go east coast, vmware can sponsor the food (I guess) | 20:53 |
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| ash__ | the travel and logging is individual responsibility (i.e. respective company responsibilty) | 20:54 |
| ash__ | arnaud: you and I can coordinate on it later? | 20:54 |
| arnaud | yeah | 20:54 |
| ash__ | markwash: me and arnaud can run with it | 20:54 |
| arnaud | I remember stuart | 20:54 |
| arnaud | suggested HP could do something as well | 20:54 |
| markwash | if you guys can mention your plans to gokrokve, TravT, and mclaren that would be great | 20:54 |
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| markwash | not sure if I'm missing someone else who was interested | 20:54 |
| ash__ | sure he has sent me some contact for the same i will follow uo | 20:55 |
| ash__ | up | 20:55 |
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| nikhil__ | (btw, I just need >3 mins to syncup) | 20:55 |
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| markwash | okay thanks guys! now a brieve syncup on tasks | 20:55 |
| markwash | #topic glance tasks syncup | 20:55 |
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| markwash | go nikhil__ go! :-) | 20:55 |
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| nikhil__ | added a brief update/plan on the etherpad | 20:55 |
| nikhil__ | much stuff was agreed on during the summit however, things tend to go a little off during implementation | 20:56 |
| nikhil__ | so, of all the points my questions is the last one | 20:56 |
| arnaud | nikhil__, can I go ahead and rebase my taskflow patch on top of yours? | 20:56 |
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| nikhil__ | am about to update the MP with new PS once all the tests pass (along with a icky race condition test) | 20:57 |
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| nikhil__ | arnaud: let's discuss that offline, if that's okay (may not be enough time now) | 20:57 |
| arnaud | yes | 20:57 |
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| nikhil__ | if some core-ish reviewers can ask some concerns/+1s/-1s would really help | 20:58 |
| markwash | :-) | 20:58 |
| markwash | I'm not sure I quite follow the question unfortunately | 20:58 |
| nikhil__ | just want to ensure that whatever is upthere can be landed in near future | 20:58 |
| nikhil__ | markwash: oh, so we'd just decided that we should use store module in glance to do filesystem based store operations | 20:59 |
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| nikhil__ | however, I'd just prefer that change to be completely different MP | 20:59 |
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| markwash | I suppose as long as it follows soon that is not a problem | 20:59 |
| nikhil__ | that way we can let the taskflow patch progress be not blocked as well | 20:59 |
| nikhil__ | yeah, I can proposed that in a day or so | 21:00 |
| markwash | arnaud: if you're okay with this I'm okay with it | 21:00 |
| arnaud | yes sounds good | 21:00 |
| markwash | okay nikhil__ sounds like you get your way :-) | 21:00 |
| nikhil__ | great, thanks guys | 21:00 |
| nikhil__ | :) | 21:00 |
| markwash | we're out of time, thanks everybody | 21:01 |
| * markwash has to run to the airport | 21:01 | |
| rosmaita | bye | 21:01 |
| arnaud | thanks | 21:01 |
| markwash | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 29 21:01:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-05-29-20.00.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-05-29-20.00.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-05-29-20.00.log.html | 21:01 |
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