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| tchaypo | #startmeeting tripleo | 07:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 28 07:00:26 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tchaypo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 07:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 07:00 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 07:00 |
| lsmola | hello | 07:00 |
| tchaypo | Ooh, we have people here already, that's exciting | 07:01 |
| lsmola | :-) | 07:01 |
| greghaynes | O/ | 07:01 |
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| lsmola | not many it seems :-) | 07:01 |
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| GheRivero | yeah. not really crowded | 07:02 |
| tchaypo | true. But it's the first one at this time, and it's my first time driving meetbot, so it's very exciting anyway | 07:02 |
| tchaypo | for me at last | 07:02 |
| tchaypo | #topic agenda | 07:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 07:03 | |
| tchaypo | bugs | 07:03 |
| tchaypo | reviews | 07:03 |
| tchaypo | Projects needing releases | 07:03 |
| tchaypo | CD Cloud status | 07:03 |
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| tchaypo | CI | 07:03 |
| tchaypo | Insert one-off agenda items here | 07:03 |
| tchaypo | open discussion | 07:03 |
| tchaypo | Anything else? | 07:03 |
| tchaypo | We had a few action items last week - http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-05-20-19.01.txt | 07:03 |
| tchaypo | but I'm guessing bnemec and rpodolyaka aren't here, so we can carry those over to next week. | 07:04 |
| rpodolyaka | tchaypo: I'm here | 07:04 |
| tchaypo | The third item was to have a meeting at this time and I seem to have managed that | 07:04 |
| tchaypo | rpodolyaka: excellent :) | 07:04 |
| tchaypo | No other items? | 07:04 |
| tchaypo | #topic bugs | 07:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 07:05 | |
| tchaypo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 07:05 |
| tchaypo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 07:05 |
| tchaypo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 07:05 |
| tchaypo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 07:05 |
| tchaypo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config | 07:05 |
| tchaypo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 07:05 |
| tchaypo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 07:05 |
| tchaypo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 07:05 |
| greghaynes | oh wow, serious red for tripleo bugs :( | 07:05 |
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| lifeless | o/ | 07:06 |
| jistr | o/ | 07:06 |
| lifeless | baby in bed | 07:06 |
| GheRivero | it's been a complicated week :) | 07:06 |
| tchaypo | Yeah, 5 new unassigned undecided | 07:06 |
| tchaypo | one in os-cloud-config - StevenK could you jump on that one? | 07:07 |
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| tchaypo | it looks like tripleo is the one project that needs some serious attention though. | 07:08 |
| greghaynes | closed https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1319978 | 07:08 |
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| tchaypo | StevenK and I are planning to spend friday in the office together; it would be good to clear them up before then, but we can plan to bash on them together then if they're still open | 07:09 |
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| tchaypo | #info tripleo project has 12 new/incomplete bugs, many of them unassigned. This needs some attention | 07:10 |
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| tchaypo | Anything else to add before we move on? | 07:11 |
| tchaypo | #topic reviews | 07:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 07:11 | |
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| tchaypo | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html still seems to be blank | 07:12 |
| greghaynes | I think this had a vote last meeting? | 07:12 |
| lifeless | bnemec has a url | 07:12 |
| derekh_ | www.nemebean.com/reviewstats/tripleo-open.html | 07:13 |
| jistr | 12 days \o/ | 07:13 |
| tchaypo | I think meetbot grabs anything with a url and I don't need to mention those with #link | 07:13 |
| lifeless | we had a goal last week to bring it down | 07:13 |
| tchaypo | so I'm just leaving that be | 07:13 |
| tchaypo | Notes are at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-05-20-19.01.txt | 07:13 |
| tchaypo | The group goal was to hit 12 days | 07:14 |
| lifeless | which we have \o/ | 07:14 |
| tchaypo | I must be dense, I'm not seeing where to read that | 07:14 |
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| pblaho | o/ | 07:15 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: | 07:15 |
| jistr | tchaypo: since the last revision without -1 or -2, 3rd quartile | 07:15 |
| lifeless | Stats since the last revision without -1 or -2 : | 07:15 |
| lifeless | Average wait time: 8 days, 17 hours, 38 minutes | 07:15 |
| lifeless | 1rd quartile wait time: 2 days, 3 hours, 11 minutes | 07:15 |
| lifeless | Median wait time: 6 days, 15 hours, 39 minutes | 07:15 |
| lifeless | 3rd quartile wait time: 12 days, 2 hours, 48 minutes | 07:15 |
| tchaypo | lo pblaho | 07:15 |
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| tchaypo | oh, of course, that's "since-negative-review" | 07:15 |
| tchaypo | I was looking for the words "since negative review" #tooliteral | 07:16 |
| tchaypo | I'm not going to propose a new vote - I think we have too few people, and my understanding is that the meetings aren't the best place for a decision anyway | 07:16 |
| tchaypo | but | 07:16 |
| tchaypo | #info Target from last meeting - 3rd quartile wait time since last negative review - has been achieved | 07:17 |
| tchaypo | #info Let's aim for 11 days next week! | 07:17 |
| marios | o/ woops. you'd think i'd remember the first meeting at an actually convenient time | 07:17 |
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| tchaypo | I planned to be online 12 hours ago just in case there was confusion, but I managed to sleep in for a change. it was lovely :) | 07:18 |
| marios | tchaypo: lol :) | 07:18 |
| tchaypo | Okay, unless we have anything further to say about reviews... | 07:18 |
| tchaypo | #topic Projects needing releases | 07:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Projects needing releases (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 07:19 | |
| rpodolyaka | not a problem, I can volunteer this week too | 07:19 |
| lsmola | tchaypo: 12 hours ago, there was just me and jrist :-D | 07:19 |
| tchaypo | #info rpodolyaka to save our bacon once again | 07:19 |
| tchaypo | Actually | 07:20 |
| marios | rpodolyaka: you got a link to those notes you made for the release process? seems like if you or slagle are away would be good to have backup | 07:20 |
| tchaypo | #action see above | 07:20 |
| marios | rpodolyaka: does it take a lot of time in your week? | 07:20 |
| rpodolyaka | marios: 1-2 hours | 07:20 |
| rpodolyaka | marios: mostly reading the changes, deciding what part of the version to bump | 07:20 |
| rpodolyaka | marios: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO/ReleaseManagement | 07:21 |
| marios | rpodolyaka: i think you documented it somewhere no? | 07:21 |
| marios | rpodolyaka: great thanks mate | 07:21 |
| rpodolyaka | marios: np | 07:21 |
| tchaypo | So... | 07:22 |
| tchaypo | coing up next... | 07:22 |
| tchaypo | #topic CD Cloud status | 07:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CD Cloud status (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 07:22 | |
| tchaypo | lifeless: I hear tell this hasn't been swell | 07:22 |
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| lifeless | its been rocky | 07:25 |
| lifeless | so there is an etherpad | 07:25 |
| lifeless | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-ci-r1-trusty | 07:25 |
| lifeless | which is about getting hp1 entirely onto trusty | 07:25 |
| lifeless | without that we should expect more issues still | 07:25 |
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| lifeless | we've also hit the stuck session in nodepool again | 07:26 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: so R1 isn't currently being used by nodepool, | 07:27 |
| lifeless | filed a bug for that on novaclient and made a (little) fuss about it | 07:27 |
| lifeless | derekh_: rh1 ? | 07:27 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: should we just leave it that way until we get to trust ? | 07:27 |
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| SpamapS | derekh_: IMO yes | 07:27 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: R2 is running ok, but struggle to keep up with the full load in the absense of R1 | 07:27 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: # worker nodes was finially increased from 10 to 18 last night | 07:28 |
| lifeless | derekh_: nodepool has ~ 60 active slaves in hp1 | 07:28 |
| lifeless | derekh_: why do you say its not being used ? | 07:28 |
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| lifeless | ah, they are mostly missing public ips | 07:28 |
| derekh_ | lets see if that helps and if it doesn't maybe we should get rid of an overcloud job for a bit | 07:28 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: I don' think they're reaching READY | 07:29 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: when I boot an instance, it never fully establishes an SSH connection | 07:29 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: I tested instances with ssh just fine | 07:29 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: nodepool most be spinning thme up without deciding their usable | 07:29 |
| SpamapS | interesting | 07:29 |
| SpamapS | perhaps it was just one bad compute node? | 07:29 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: none are getting used goodsquishy.com/downloads/s_tripleo-jobs.html | 07:29 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: did you actually SSH in, or just telnet to port 22? | 07:29 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: ssh in | 07:30 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: sudo'd | 07:30 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: I got fails after connection, traffic would stop flowing | 07:30 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: apt-get updated | 07:30 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: perhapes those 19 jobs in the ? region were on R1, ? means they failed befor the log entry allowing me to decipher the region | 07:31 |
| lifeless | lets -> #tripleo for details | 07:31 |
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| lifeless | its clearly bong, since only one node has a public IP | 07:31 |
| * derekh_ nods | 07:31 | |
| lifeless | we'll likely need infra logs to see whats up | 07:31 |
| lifeless | public IP is pretty much the first thing that nodepool should be doing | 07:31 |
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| tchaypo | Do we have a specific action item to record here? | 07:32 |
| lifeless | no | 07:32 |
| derekh_ | tchaypo: action have a side meeting about R1 in #tripleo after main meeting | 07:32 |
| lifeless | or yues :) | 07:33 |
| tchaypo | #action derekh_ SpamapS lifeless to discuss CD in R1 further | 07:33 |
| tchaypo | #info it's been a rocky week | 07:33 |
| tchaypo | #topic CI | 07:34 |
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| tchaypo | I feel like this isn't going to be much different | 07:34 |
| tchaypo | derekh_: there was an action item from last week for bnemec to follow up with you about ci improvements and spec - did that happen? | 07:35 |
| derekh_ | tchaypo: spec for ci improvements is up, finding link | 07:35 |
| derekh_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95026/ | 07:35 |
| derekh_ | reviews welcome :-) | 07:35 |
| tchaypo | #info As per action item from last week, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95026/ is a spec for ci improvements | 07:36 |
| tchaypo | #info derekh_ welcomes reviews :) | 07:36 |
| tchaypo | anything else? | 07:36 |
| tchaypo | #topic Insert one-off agenda items here | 07:37 |
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| tchaypo | #info all the action items from last week have already been covered #yay | 07:38 |
| derekh_ | Oh I had something I wanted to mention | 07:38 |
| tchaypo | The floor is yours :) | 07:38 |
| derekh_ | gerrit no longer does auto abandon of patches, | 07:38 |
| tchaypo | bahahahaha | 07:38 |
| tchaypo | that's quite a change | 07:39 |
| derekh_ | could people look through old patchs and abandon things that are irrelevant | 07:39 |
| tchaypo | Could you say that again with an hashtag-info ? | 07:39 |
| marios | derekh_: didn't know that. it's both a good and a bad thing though. | 07:39 |
| derekh_ | #info could people look through old patchs and abandon things that are irrelevant | 07:39 |
| tchaypo | #info as Gerrit doesn't auto-abandon any more | 07:39 |
| tchaypo | #topic open discussion | 07:40 |
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| marios | tchaypo: are we going to try and match (upcoming) specs to juno release schedule? do we want to think (or already have) a date for specs to be in by? | 07:40 |
| tchaypo | marios: I feel like that's a question we should ask elsewhere | 07:40 |
| derekh_ | marios: ya its a little good but I think its mostly bad as stale patches will end up staying around and taking up peoples time | 07:40 |
| marios | tchaypo: yeah, mostly rhetorical. don't expect full discussion/decisions here | 07:40 |
| lifeless | so core can mark patches as WIP | 07:40 |
| tchaypo | either on the mailing list, or simply by proposing a spec that says we match the specs to the release schedule and see how that goes | 07:41 |
| lifeless | but I don't think thats sufficient | 07:41 |
| lifeless | but we can review with WIP hidden | 07:41 |
| lifeless | as an interim measure | 07:41 |
| marios | lifeless: just bringing it up as it's something i saw in neutron | 07:41 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: agreed WIP isn't sufficient, if we start reviewing with WIP's hidden then whats the point of people using WIP at all for get feedback | 07:41 |
| marios | lifeless: juno-1 has been made up with all expected bugs/reviews etc | 07:41 |
| tchaypo | We seem to be near the end of my first meeting, and lifeless hasn't felt the need to use the second set of pedals yet. Iguess that means I can graduate to p-plates next time? | 07:42 |
| lifeless | derekh_: WIP is for 'don't review yet' :) | 07:42 |
| marios | lifeless: any specs from now on will be taken per case etc | 07:42 |
| lifeless | derekh_: explicitly so | 07:42 |
| lifeless | marios: sorry, I don't quite follow the question | 07:42 |
| marios | lifeless: are we going to try and match (upcoming) specs to juno release schedule? | 07:42 |
| marios | do we want to think (or already have) a date for specs to be in by? | 07:42 |
| lifeless | marios: what does that mean ? | 07:42 |
| marios | haha | 07:42 |
| marios | lifeless: we have specs | 07:43 |
| marios | lifeless: (either approved or under discussion) | 07:43 |
| marios | lifeless: we have a juno release schedule | 07:43 |
| marios | lifeless: do we want to make a list of when we expect certain specs to have been implemented, bugs closed etc, for juno release schdule | 07:43 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: I though WIP was more of a "here is the direction I'm going in if ya wanna take a look but don't review in detail yet cause I not finished" button | 07:44 |
| tchaypo | So we have a juno folder in the specs repo; I had been assuming that anything in there was targetted at Juno release, but we can move things if they slip | 07:44 |
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| marios | tchaypo: sure, i meant more like 'juno-1' we try and concentrate on these things, if they land ok juno-2 will be this and this etc etc | 07:45 |
| lifeless | marios: so, I generally think that organising every little thing like that is a boiling-the-ocean problem | 07:45 |
| derekh_ | Do we know when the mid cycle sprint is ? | 07:45 |
| marios | e.g. like this https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-1 | 07:46 |
| tchaypo | Mayhap it would be useful to make juno/1, juno/2 and so on? | 07:46 |
| lifeless | derekh_: I'm waiting on jcoufal for that | 07:46 |
| tchaypo | To me it sounds like it would realy be useful to have a spec describin how the spec repo operates | 07:46 |
| lifeless | derekh_: though if he doesn't post to the list soon I'm going to have to find alternate venues since folk won't have time to book | 07:46 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: ok | 07:46 |
| marios | lifeless: just a question/suggestion as i hadn't come across it before and thought it was possibly a useful resource to refer to during the cycle | 07:46 |
| jcoufal | lifeless: derekh_ I will send some updates today or tomorrow the latest | 07:46 |
| lifeless | jcoufal: hint, hint | 07:46 |
| derekh_ | jcoufal: cool, thanks | 07:46 |
| lifeless | marios: I' | 07:47 |
| tchaypo | marios: do you know if nova have done that kind of targeting of specs to milestone releases? | 07:48 |
| lifeless | marios: that said, part of approving a blueprint will be identifying if its current work or future work | 07:48 |
| lifeless | marios: so we can certainly target the next bit of work | 07:48 |
| tchaypo | If they have maybe we can copy them; if they haven't, maybe there's a reason they haven't. | 07:48 |
| marios | lifeless: sure | 07:48 |
| lifeless | I'm very much against having large numbers of idle unimplemented specs | 07:48 |
| lifeless | neutron has quite a different situation to us | 07:48 |
| lifeless | lots of vendors with very specific axes to grind | 07:49 |
| marios | right | 07:49 |
| lifeless | and a relative paucity of work-in-the-core feeling | 07:49 |
| lifeless | they're trying to change that | 07:49 |
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| marios | (indeed, the axes are becoming much less specific from what i can see) | 07:49 |
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| tchaypo | #action jcoufal to send an update on mid-cycle dates today or tomorrow | 07:51 |
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| tchaypo | lifeless: so if I can summarise, it sounds like you don't want us to have idle specs; that's going to need scheduling decisions when specs are approved, but will probably need review after that as well. Do you want to own deciding on how we do that review and how specific we want to be with targetting work (to milestones, or just to releases, or somethign else)? | 07:53 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: its on me for now I think | 07:53 |
| tchaypo | We still have 6 minutes left, is there anything else anyone wants to bring up? | 07:53 |
| tchaypo | #action lifeless to follow up on process for review and (re-)scheduling/targetting of specs | 07:54 |
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| lifeless | tchaypo: actually I was proposing to do nothing | 07:55 |
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| marios | lol | 07:55 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: #undo will remove the last #command :) | 07:55 |
| tchaypo | #undo | 07:55 |
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| tchaypo | haha | 07:56 |
| tchaypo | $action lifeless to sit on his hands | 07:56 |
| tchaypo | ;) | 07:56 |
| tchaypo | If there's nothing else I'm going to call time | 07:56 |
| marios | thanks to those that pushed for the alternate time | 07:56 |
| marios | its great to be making coffee vs going to bed | 07:57 |
| StevenK | Heh | 07:57 |
| tchaypo | #agreed that those of us present love the alternate meeting time, those not present probably don't love it as much | 07:57 |
| marios | hehe | 07:57 |
| TheJulia | heh | 07:57 |
| tchaypo | #endmeeting | 07:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 28 07:57:47 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-05-28-07.00.html | 07:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-05-28-07.00.txt | 07:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-05-28-07.00.log.html | 07:57 |
| lifeless | thanks tchaypo | 07:58 |
| lifeless | done like a pro | 07:58 |
| tchaypo | okay, one thing i notice though | 07:58 |
| tchaypo | lots of the links i was hoping would be there aren't | 07:58 |
| tchaypo | so I think an explicit #link is needed after all | 07:58 |
| tchaypo | congrats to StevenK and TheJulia for getting their names in the attendees list right at the last second ;) | 07:59 |
| StevenK | Woot | 07:59 |
| TheJulia | yay! | 07:59 |
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| rkukura | hello ML2’ers! | 16:00 |
| banix | hi there! | 16:00 |
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| shivharis | hi | 16:01 |
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| amittal | hi! | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | Hello everybody | 16:01 |
| prashmi | hi everyone | 16:01 |
| Romil | Hi... | 16:01 |
| HenryG | o/ | 16:01 |
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| Zemeio | Hello all. | 16:01 |
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| emagana | hello foks! | 16:01 |
| rcurran | hi | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | good turnout today! lets get started… | 16:02 |
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| zzelle | Hello ! | 16:02 |
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| nlahouti | hi | 16:02 |
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| trinaths | Hi All | 16:02 |
| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 28 16:02:31 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:02 |
| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:03 | |
| rkukura | I don’t have any announcements today - anyone else have any? | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | Please be sure to sign up for mid-cycle meetings | 16:03 |
| shivharis | Can one attend these online? | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | #link agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_May_28.2C_2014 | 16:04 |
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| banix | shivharis: doubt it | 16:05 |
| rkukura | shivharis: Not sure | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: do not know about the logistics - it may be a good question to ask from Kyle | 16:05 |
| shivharis | banix: k | 16:05 |
| rkukura | moving on… | 16:05 |
| trinaths | can there be some audio for mid-cycle meeting | 16:05 |
| rkukura | #topic Action items from last week | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from last week (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:06 | |
| rkukura | 3 AIs are in the agenda | 16:06 |
| shivharis | i'll get details from Kyle and get back | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | Based upon Montreal experiance - no, nothing remote | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | shivharis: can coer his in the Bugs section of the agenda | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | I’ll cover mine in the specs section | 16:06 |
| shivharis | Bugs... | 16:07 |
| banix | and I will cover mine a bit later (in the agenda) | 16:07 |
| rkukura | And banix has a section in the agenda for his | 16:07 |
| rkukura | Any other action items to followup on? | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | #topic ovs-firewall-driver discussion | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ovs-firewall-driver discussion (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:08 | |
| asadoughi | hi | 16:08 |
| asomya | rkukura: Can you track the type driver refactor in the agenda as well | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | asadoughi: do you want to update us? | 16:08 |
| asadoughi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89712/ ovs-firewall-driver | 16:08 |
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| asadoughi | so, ran into an obstacle with the blueprint dealing with behavioral api parity with iptables | 16:09 |
| rkukura | asomya: Didn’t include type driver specifically, but we can touch on it in the specs section | 16:09 |
| rkukura | asomya: We can add a topic for next week if needed | 16:09 |
| asadoughi | the question i wanted to bring up is, how does the commmunity feel about having an 80% solution today versus waiting for conntrack in 2015 and having a 100% solution in a year? | 16:09 |
| banix | asadoughi: can you briefly say what is the api parity issue | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | asadoughi: I favor 80% today, with a plan to reach 100% later | 16:10 |
| slogan | Are there use cases that absolutely require the 80% case now? If not, perhaps waiting is good? | 16:11 |
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| asadoughi | banix: sure, ovs is stateless for non-tcp flows and cannot emulate iptables' RELATED feature without conntrack | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | slogan: good point | 16:11 |
| banix | asadoughi: got it. thanks. | 16:11 |
| yamamoto | asadoughi: imo what's lacking is a way to expose functionlity differences to users | 16:11 |
| yamamoto | ie. a way to tell a user what he is using is 80%. | 16:12 |
| vthapar | or to put a different spin, does a firewall driver have to be stateful? | 16:12 |
| chuckC | breaking people's existing security rules might be considered rude, but what are benefits to user for ovs implementation? | 16:13 |
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| asadoughi | yamamoto: right, i've been thinking on that.. we could add another attribute to the api or fork it, but i'm not feeling that those are great solutions. to refresh others, we also considered documentation and runtime errors. | 16:13 |
| vthapar | chuckC: in theory, performance benefits as we no longer need to use linux bridges. | 16:14 |
| slogan | yamamoto: documentation I suppose. Is 80% solution hidden by an abstraction such that 100% does not require changes to what already exists, or is a rewrite of interfaces needed? | 16:14 |
| yamamoto | vthapar: lack of detailed semantics definitions is a problem in sg... | 16:14 |
| vthapar | chuckC: I am trying to get performance numbers, but other work commitments are holding me back. | 16:14 |
| chuckC | so would we consider a config option for iptables vs ovs? (not that I really like that idea) | 16:15 |
| rkukura | asadoughi: So would this be a provider deployment decision to provide reduced SG functionality? Would the SG API need to reject requests that not all firewall-drivers could enforce? | 16:15 |
| asadoughi | chuckC: right, that's what i meant by additional attribute on the api. don't think it's a winning idea, either. | 16:15 |
| yamamoto | rkukura: if it rejects requests loudly enough, being 80% should be fine. | 16:16 |
| vthapar | I believe it will be a config option, firewall_driver which is currently set to OVSHybridFirewallDriver, can use somethinig like OVSFirewallDriver | 16:16 |
| yamamoto | but afaik there's no mechanism to do so | 16:17 |
| asadoughi | rkukura: essentially, yes at this point. figuring out the intent based on current api is difficult. we have to brainstorm some additional attributes to make it a more explicit difference. | 16:17 |
| rkukura | yamamoto: That’s what I was thinking. Maybe the SG API needs a configuration option that turns off support for rules requiring conntrack | 16:17 |
| shivharis | what are user options after the loud rejects? | 16:17 |
| chuckC | shivharis: change config or don't use stateful rules? | 16:18 |
| yamamoto | shivharis: give up or change to iptables or reconsider rules or.. | 16:18 |
| rkukura | vthapar: Don’t forget that ML2 support multiple types of MDs, so not all nodes necessarily use the same firewall driver. | 16:18 |
| asadoughi | rkukura: interesting, are you suggesting --no-conntrack could be an option for neutron cli? | 16:19 |
| yamamoto | i have a vague plan to implement a firewall driver for ofagent, which has no hope to use rich features like conntrack. | 16:19 |
| rkukura | asadoughi: Not for the CLI, for the provider deploying neutron | 16:19 |
| vthapar | rkukura: security groups are implemented at nodes, so each node can use a different firewall_driver too. | 16:19 |
| asadoughi | rkukura: ah ok | 16:19 |
| vthapar | yamamoto: I was about to mention that, OFAgent will not even have option for reflexive learning till Openflow supports it | 16:20 |
| rkukura | I think we’d need a way for the provider to determine what semantics SGs in their cloud have, which would have to be the least-common-denominator of all nodes’ capabilities | 16:20 |
| chuckC | rkukura: +1 | 16:20 |
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| yamamoto | rkukura +1 | 16:20 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: agree - but. how to provide that? | 16:21 |
| rkukura | My initial thought is that this would be a config option for the SG API mixin. | 16:21 |
| shivharis | least common denominator is iptables then? | 16:21 |
| rkukura | shivharis: I think iptables is more capable than ovs-firewall-driver for now | 16:22 |
| chuckC | I thought ovs was 80% | 16:22 |
| vthapar | shivharis: no. it would be OVS, I expect OFAgent to be least common. | 16:22 |
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| rkukura | So if a deploymen included nodes that could not enforce stateful UDP rules, creating these rules via the SG API would need to fail | 16:22 |
| vthapar | is there an option in iptables to disable statefullness? | 16:23 |
| chuckC | so need a way for agent failure to cause api failure? | 16:23 |
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| rkukura | chuckC: I think that gets difficult, since the SG can be shared among many port bound using different agents | 16:24 |
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| asadoughi | we'd configure minimum-security-groups-api-behavior at server level so that it can make the api validation decisions | 16:24 |
| chuckC | asadoughi: yes, much better | 16:25 |
| rkukura | I’m just suggesting a simple deployment time boolean config option for whether the SG API mixin supports rules that require connection tracking, or rejects them | 16:25 |
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| banix | asadoughi: rkukura makes sense | 16:25 |
| rkukura | seems like a possible way forward, but needs discussion in the review | 16:25 |
| chuckC | rkukura: if it's true, and a compute node without the capability is added? | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | asadoughi: can you capture all the points discussed here into the review and let others chime and hopefully get a closure? | 16:26 |
| rkukura | chuckC: That’s a tough situation for the deployer that they may need to avoid | 16:26 |
| banix | chuckC: asking hard questions :) | 16:26 |
| asadoughi | Sukhdev: will do | 16:26 |
| rkukura | Ready to move on? | 16:26 |
| shivharis | what if a vm moves from one node with capability to no-capabiity? | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: you just read my mind :-) | 16:27 |
| rkukura | #topic Modular L2 agent: planning | 16:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Modular L2 agent: planning (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:27 | |
| banix | Please have a look at the etherpad (link in the agenda); Just an outline as how to go about the modular l2 agent work. Basically, have different drivers for different functions such as base l2, sec group, l2pop/tunnel, etc similar to how the ml2 plugin is organized | 16:27 |
| rkukura | banix: Do you want to drive this? | 16:27 |
| banix | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/modular-l2-agent-outline | 16:27 |
| yamamoto | i'm not sure what the driver context would look like | 16:27 |
| banix | so before taking this to the ML and the spec review wanted to get the opinion here and see if this is sensible | 16:28 |
| banix | so let’s start from using drivers for different functionalities | 16:28 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: at high level, it makes a lot of sense | 16:28 |
| banix | wrt rpc, each driver may need its own rpc is taht reasonable? | 16:29 |
| rkukura | banix: At quick glance it looks like a good start, but it might help to outline how existing functionality fits this model in a bit more detail, and also use cases that this enables | 16:29 |
| emagana | banix: can you explain that a little bit further? | 16:29 |
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| banix | So if we want to have a driver that deals with l2pop or a new driver for a new extension then that driver may need to setup a new set of rpc callbacks | 16:30 |
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| nlahouti | banix: wrt rpc, yes | 16:31 |
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| banix | nlahouti: yes as in yes that’s reasonable? | 16:31 |
| nlahouti | banix: yes | 16:31 |
| nlahouti | banix: it is reasonable. | 16:32 |
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| banix | nlahouti: ok thx | 16:32 |
| banix | rkukura: yes will do | 16:32 |
| banix | emagana: did i answer your question above? | 16:32 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: ok. thx. | 16:33 |
| emagana | banix: Yes, I do still need more context but I will do my proper homework!! :-) Thanks! | 16:33 |
| banix | with respect to having a resource manager for accessing shared resources, does that sound like a good starting point? I | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | emagana: me too - I need to do my homework and read it carefully :-) | 16:34 |
| banix | I will fill in details and code to experiment | 16:34 |
| rkukura | banix: Do you think this is likely to be completed during juno and replace the existing agents? | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | banix: a picture to show the flow will be very helpful | 16:35 |
| emagana | Sukhdev: sounds like a good topic for a meetup ;-) | 16:35 |
| rkukura | Or is it a first step during juno, but needing more work in K? | 16:35 |
| banix | rkukura: I think so; at least for a couple of agents; what do you think? | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | emagana: perhaps!! | 16:35 |
| shivharis | I think we should shoot for atleast 1-2 agents for Juno, the RPC contracts and callback framework will get fleshed out | 16:36 |
| banix | Sukhdev: emagana: sure will add picture more info | 16:36 |
| emagana | banix: Thanks! | 16:36 |
| banix | yamahata: yes have to work out the details | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | banix: thanks - that will help a lot | 16:36 |
| rkukura | banix: I think its possible, but it depends on people being available to do the wok | 16:37 |
| rkukura | anything else on modular agent? | 16:37 |
| banix | so before we put out a spec, what specifically will we need? | 16:37 |
| rkukura | if not… | 16:37 |
| banix | Let me do a bit more work and discuss next week (and possibly ML) | 16:38 |
| rkukura | banix: A plan that gets to parity with at least one exisitng agent is needed | 16:38 |
| rkukura | ok | 16:39 |
| banix | rkukura: yes sure starting with ovs agent | 16:39 |
| manishg | banix: some background and reference to design summit would help folks ramp up on this. | 16:39 |
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| banix | manishg: sure | 16:39 |
| rkukura | #topic Bugs | 16:39 |
| manishg | i.e. the motivations, etc. for it. | 16:39 |
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| rkukura | shivharis: I’ll let you drive the bugs discussion | 16:39 |
| shivharis | I have put a list of 5 bugs only on the agenda | 16:40 |
| shivharis | I am still working out with the infra team to get access to changing bug priortiy. | 16:40 |
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| shivharis | will do so when i hear back Kyle and anteaya are working on that... | 16:41 |
| shivharis | so starting with the first bug: | 16:41 |
| yamamoto | i tagged ofagent bugs with ml2 | 16:41 |
| shivharis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1276391 | 16:41 |
| shivharis | bob? | 16:41 |
| rkukura | An updated patch is in review at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82945/ | 16:41 |
| shivharis | anyone to ping for reviews? | 16:42 |
| rkukura | This had been reviewed extensively at the end of icehouse, so we need to get those reviewers to look again | 16:42 |
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| shivharis | i'll followup with them then... | 16:42 |
| rkukura | Thanks | 16:42 |
| shivharis | banix:https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1227336 | 16:43 |
| banix | so this deals with failure in postcommit operations; a stop gap patch was merged in Icehouse; for a more comprehensive solution Sukhdev and rkukura had the “sync” discussion | 16:43 |
| banix | i think we can close this bug as fixed and wait for the sync work. makes sense? | 16:43 |
| shivharis | does this overlap with sync stuff, sukhdev? | 16:43 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: yes it does | 16:44 |
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| shivharis | can you help bring closure to this? "will not fix etc" | 16:44 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: we need to look into the workflow stuff which Mark presented to see how can that be leveraged | 16:44 |
| banix | Sukhdev: are you persuing that work | 16:44 |
| rkukura | I think we should close this bug, and use a BP/spec to address sync, possibly via taskflow as discussed at the summit | 16:45 |
| banix | rkukura: i agree | 16:45 |
| shivharis | banix: to bring clouse to this | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: +1 | 16:45 |
| shivharis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1246737 Oleg? | 16:46 |
| banix | shivharis: will do | 16:46 |
| shivharis | I am not sure Olen is online.. will ping him offline.. | 16:46 |
| shivharis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1224978 : romil | 16:47 |
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| Romil | Need more time to look into this bug | 16:47 |
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| emagana | Is there any specific bug that needs one more core reviewer? | 16:47 |
| Romil | I am also waiting for the document to enble ML2 multi-segment network | 16:47 |
| emagana | I know all of them but if anything needs extra attention, let me know! | 16:48 |
| Romil | I could n't find any info on this | 16:48 |
| shivharis | emagana: will need that help. | 16:48 |
| shivharis | romil: if you need help please let me know, i will try to help out | 16:48 |
| Romil | The last mail I could find is from Kyle in this to provide the document | 16:48 |
| emagana | shivharis: free feel to ping me on IRC and discuss any patch | 16:48 |
| Romil | thanks :) | 16:49 |
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| Romil | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/openstack/dev/35217 | 16:49 |
| shivharis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1260598: | 16:49 |
| rkukura | Romil: Feel free to ping me on IRC regarding that bug - I remember it now | 16:49 |
| Romil | sure...thanks a lot Bob :) | 16:49 |
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| shivharis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1260598 last one | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | Time Check: 10 min. remaining | 16:50 |
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| shivharis | Thats all from me, I have a general comment regarding a lot of bugs regarding need unit tests | 16:51 |
| shivharis | will address next time | 16:51 |
| shivharis | I am done for now, more next time | 16:51 |
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| rkukura | #topic Spec reviews | 16:52 |
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| rkukura | As per my action item, I moved the list of specs from the agenda to an etherpad | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | I was busy reviewing the specs last week | 16:52 |
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| rkukura | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Neutron_ML2_Juno_Spec_Tracking | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: that is really cool - it helps a lot | 16:53 |
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| nlahouti | sukdev: can we get this one approved:https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/vdp-network-overlay | 16:53 |
| rkukura | On a couple of these, I tried to add info on reviewers and status | 16:53 |
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| nlahouti | rkujura: that would be great | 16:54 |
| rkukura | I’m thinking that each spec should have two sub-team reviewers happy with it before we recruite core reviewers | 16:54 |
| nlahouti | rkukura: that would be great | 16:54 |
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| Sukhdev | nlahouti: I will review it again later today and approve it | 16:54 |
| rkukura | So as sub-team members review ML2-related specs, can you update this etherpad? | 16:54 |
| nlahouti | sukhdev:Thanks a lot | 16:54 |
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| nlahouti | we have 4 more BP. | 16:55 |
| rkukura | The point of the etherpad is to have an easy what to see which specs need reviewers, which are ready for core review, etc. | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: i reviewed several over the weekend, I will add my name on the etherpad | 16:55 |
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| nlahouti | one question for python-neutronclient I added one of neutron drivers team a approver is that correct? | 16:55 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: thanks! | 16:55 |
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| rkukura | nlahouti: I think the core reviewer that approve the spec should update the BP to approved | 16:56 |
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| nlahouti | rkukura: does it mean for python-neutronclient we need to file neutron-spec? | 16:57 |
| rkukura | We don’t have time now, but next week, I’d like to walk through the etherpad and identify specs that need reviewers or have contentious issues | 16:57 |
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| rkukura | nlahouti: I’m not sure about that - maybe its covered by the neutron spec | 16:57 |
| rkukura | Anything else on spec reviews before we move on? | 16:58 |
| nlahouti | rkukura: I have this one:https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-neutronclient/+spec/python-neutronclient-for-cisco-dfa | 16:58 |
| nlahouti | rkukura: and also one for extension support:https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-ml2-mechanismdriver-extensions | 16:58 |
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| shivharis | rkukura: need high level sorting of this list before we assign reviewers? | 16:59 |
| rkukura | nlahouti: Lets link these BPs into the specs etherpad, as I did for a few of them | 16:59 |
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| rkukura | shivharis: I was going to add the priorities from the BPs, but they are not consistently applied yet | 17:00 |
| nlahouti | rkukura: ok. make sense | 17:00 |
| rkukura | We are out of time | 17:00 |
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| rkukura | Anything else? | 17:00 |
| banix | bye everybody | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | great meeting, folks... | 17:00 |
| shivharis | rkukura: add as action item for time... | 17:00 |
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| chuckC | bye | 17:00 |
| yamamoto | bye | 17:00 |
| nlahouti | bye | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 17:01 |
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| rkukura | shivharis: Which action? | 17:01 |
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| shivharis | add priorities... | 17:01 |
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| rkukura | #action rkukura to put priorities in specs etherpad | 17:01 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 28 17:01:37 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-05-28-16.02.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-05-28-16.02.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-05-28-16.02.log.html | 17:01 |
| rkukura | bye ML2’ers! | 17:01 |
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| shivharis | bye | 17:01 |
| prashmi | bye | 17:01 |
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| emagana | ciao pescau! | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | #startmeeting designate | 17:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 28 17:05:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:05 |
| Kiall | Hey all! Who's about? | 17:05 |
| vinod1 | here | 17:05 |
| betsy | o\ | 17:05 |
| eankutse | heya | 17:05 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:05 |
| Kiall | Sorry for starting late, head deep in git hell ;) | 17:05 |
| timfreund | hi | 17:05 |
| RaginBajin | hi | 17:05 |
| jbratton | Kiall: I'm here to talk about anything Joe added to the agenda | 17:05 |
| shakamunyi | hey there | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | #topic Review action items from last week | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | First two are richm, he's not here at the moment, so we'll come back to them | 17:06 |
| Kiall | eankutse: open blueprint for regionalized mdns servers / to file blueprint around region-aware handing of NOTIFY's and AXFR's | 17:07 |
| eankutse | done | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | Oh - Cool, I must have missed them | 17:07 |
| Kiall | Links? | 17:07 |
| eankutse | will post link later | 17:07 |
| Kiall | K | 17:07 |
| Kiall | last one was for me, re-add multi-region mdns to agenda once ^ is done.. | 17:07 |
| Kiall | It'll be on the agenda next week, once we have a chance to review the BP's | 17:08 |
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| Kiall | #topic mDNS Questions | 17:08 |
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| Kiall | Okay - So there's a bunch of questions re mDNS here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Designate#Agenda | 17:08 |
| eankutse | #Link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/mdns-designate-mdns-region-awareness | 17:09 |
| Kiall | eankutse, I'm guessing they were you? | 17:09 |
| jbratton | those are probably mostly my fault | 17:09 |
| Kiall | jbratton: oh, fair enough ;) | 17:09 |
| eankutse | jbratton: good items :-) | 17:09 |
| Kiall | Okay .. So, first up.. "How does a server start up from scratch look like?" | 17:09 |
| eankutse | I made submission for first cut of service code | 17:10 |
| eankutse | tho build is failing | 17:10 |
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| jbratton | yeah, does it do zone transfers for every zone from scratch? or if not, how does it know what was changed while it was down? | 17:10 |
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| eankutse | service starts up like all other designate services bt | 17:10 |
| eankutse | but | 17:10 |
| eankutse | also sits on tcp/udp port | 17:10 |
| eankutse | from where it will talk to name servers | 17:11 |
| Kiall | jbratton: so, I think there's probably 2 different things to handle in this.. Brand new/replacement server, and a server that was down for maintainance for short period | 17:11 |
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| jbratton | yeah, true, I see that was broken up in to two points | 17:11 |
| Kiall | Oh - I missed that :) | 17:11 |
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| jbratton | so I guess the first thing is.. how does it get the list of zones for the initial run | 17:11 |
| jbratton | building out the config file from them | 17:11 |
| Kiall | The brand new/replacement server scenario? | 17:12 |
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| eankutse | Actually, these are issues that I am thinking through currently and would be updating the blueprint as I go. I welcome ideas on these as well. | 17:12 |
| jbratton | yeah | 17:12 |
| RaginBajin | Shouldn't that just be a lookup in the database for the respective tags. | 17:12 |
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| jbratton | I'm talking about from an operational standpoint.. I'm a server admin :) | 17:12 |
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| eankutse | jbratton: would you clarify a little bi? | 17:13 |
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| eankutse | so miniDNS is up | 17:14 |
| eankutse | for the first time | 17:14 |
| jbratton | sure, so I run a BIND nameserver, I start BIND, now I need to get a list of every single zone and add them to the config | 17:14 |
| jbratton | knowing that it will be out of date almost immediately, but it is still a starting point | 17:14 |
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| jbratton | is this going to be part of a BIND plugin that still needs to be written? | 17:15 |
| eankutse | jbratton: very good question. I need to think through that a bit. I'll update the blueprint and design docs as we go. | 17:15 |
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| mugsie | currently this is done with a "sync" command | 17:16 |
| mugsie | (not sink) | 17:16 |
| RaginBajin | My $0.02 would say that if you send designate a request with the IP/hostname of the BIND server you set up and it will send a Notify to that server | 17:16 |
| mugsie | and can be done via the api by an admin | 17:16 |
| eankutse | #action eankutse to get initial answers to jbrattons questions | 17:16 |
| Kiall | mugsie: yea, it's pretty naive though | 17:16 |
| mugsie | but that patter could be extended to target hosts / NSs | 17:17 |
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| mugsie | pattern* | 17:17 |
| Kiall | Ideally, we need a way to monitor that all the expected zones are actually on the nameserver, and automatically re-create any missing zones. | 17:17 |
| mugsie | which would cause our backend to try and recreate all domains on the host | 17:17 |
| jbratton | cool, because once it gets the list, it can zone transfer all of them and get the current version | 17:17 |
| mugsie | Kiall: that might be difficult on a new server install | 17:18 |
| jbratton | Kiall: that would be great to catch anything added while it is starting up | 17:18 |
| mugsie | exactlly - we need to do that in any case | 17:18 |
| mugsie | (lost msgs etc) | 17:18 |
| jbratton | yeah | 17:18 |
| mugsie | but the inital "here is 1million domains" could be the sync | 17:19 |
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| jbratton | sure.. basically, I just need the zone names, because then it can zone transfer them all from mdns | 17:19 |
| Kiall | Yea - It's more complicated that that though, unless we can freeze any zone create/deletes on the pool for the duration | 17:19 |
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| jbratton | yeah | 17:20 |
| Kiall | e.g. the server get's a list of 1mil domains and starts chewing on them, midway, one of the pending zones is deleted | 17:20 |
| mugsie | Kiall - theory would those messages not just buuld up in the queue? | 17:20 |
| mugsie | and then you would get an eventual consistancy? | 17:20 |
| jbratton | well, at least with BIND, it starts up almost instantly when no zones are present, then it starts working on the zone transfers | 17:21 |
| jbratton | so it can take requests to add new zones while it is also going through 1 million zone transfers | 17:21 |
| Kiall | jbratton: Yea, i think the actual AXFR bit should be fine - or maybe we're talking about different things? | 17:21 |
| jbratton | and if something is deleting in the middle.. it just won't transfer it | 17:21 |
| Kiall | If a server fails, and a new one replaces it, it's BIND config is empty, we need to populate it | 17:22 |
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| jbratton | right, so we create the BIND config, start it, and then it will start up and become responsive while simultaneously issuing tons of zone transfers | 17:22 |
| jbratton | it will respond with SERVFAIL for zones it hasn't loaded yet and it will respond authoritatively for zones it has already transferred | 17:23 |
| jbratton | and if a zone is deleted while it is going through the list doing transfers, it just removes it from the list of pending transfers | 17:23 |
| jbratton | using rndc addzone/delzone | 17:23 |
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| RaginBajin | jbratton: Are you thinking that there is a designate-mdns command that sits on the client to help facilitate this? | 17:24 |
| Kiall | Yea - As graham mentioned, I think we can take a similar approach for actually populating the BIND config.. Allow create/delete messages to build up while we action a snapshot of the zones.. Then start processing the messages, and catching up | 17:24 |
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| rjrjr_ | isn't this a problem for server pools, not mini-dns? | 17:25 |
| jbratton | right, it isn't so much a mdns question | 17:25 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: I think it applies to both | 17:25 |
| jbratton | RaginBajin: that would work too | 17:25 |
| mugsie | yeah, it will just be more pronounced in server pools | 17:25 |
| Kiall | if pools don't exist, we still need to get BIND/PowerDNS/NSD etc synced up | 17:25 |
| jbratton | I leave it to you all to implement this stuff, I just know how it all runs on the nameserver :) | 17:25 |
| Kiall | ;) | 17:26 |
| eankutse | jbratton: you have great input ffrom the ops side of things | 17:26 |
| Kiall | Yea - I think we need to give this one some though | 17:26 |
| Kiall | thought* | 17:26 |
| Kiall | (from an implementation POV) | 17:26 |
| mugsie | jbratton: this is why it i s good to have an ops person shouting "that wont work!!!" | 17:26 |
| eankutse | I'll talk to you as I design/implement mdns | 17:26 |
| jbratton | that's why I'm here! | 17:26 |
| eankutse | :-) | 17:26 |
| vinod1 | How about if zones are created on the backend (outside of designate), do they/will they be added to mdns? | 17:27 |
| eankutse | #action eankutse to pick Jbratton's brain on ops side of things for minidns/pools | 17:27 |
| Kiall | vinod1: So - if the BIND server has an existing zone, "import" it? | 17:27 |
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| vinod1 | yes - essentially will "sync" be bidirectional or unidirectional? | 17:28 |
| Kiall | Ahh.. Okay, I'd have thought unidirectional | 17:28 |
| Kiall | we have no way to associate zones with tenant's etc if they can go both way | 17:29 |
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| Kiall | Okay, Let's park this for today? | 17:30 |
| vinod1 | How about if a designate created zone is deleted at the backend - the scenario being designate is down and the zone needs to be deleted asap | 17:30 |
| Kiall | #action kiall to write our various initial load scenarios | 17:30 |
| Kiall | vinod1: I believe we should re-create that zone when Designate is back online / notices. | 17:30 |
| jbratton | vinod1: at least currently, we would break synchronization.. remove it once it is back up, then resync | 17:31 |
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| jbratton | or that | 17:31 |
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| Kiall | jbratton: yea, same thing really.. break synchronization, delete from designate, then there's nothing for designate to notice is missing | 17:31 |
| jbratton | yeah.. it's a problem to solve no matter what implementation you have | 17:31 |
| jbratton | I agree on the unidirectional thing | 17:32 |
| Kiall | But from Designate's POV, I think it should re-create zones that "mysteriously" go missing from the backend DNS server | 17:32 |
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| Kiall | urgent zone deletion is probably the least common reason for a zone to go "poof" on a DNS server ;) | 17:32 |
| eankutse | so that means, if anyone deletes something from backend (manually) they have to remove it from storage/central too if they don't want if resurrected | 17:33 |
| jbratton | yeah, and zone deletion is almost never an emergency thing | 17:33 |
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| mugsie | imho opinion, people should not be touching the backend servers that designate manages | 17:33 |
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| jbratton | yeah, I agree, we never do that on our current implementation | 17:34 |
| mugsie | so, in the small egde cases that they need to we should not make too many compramises on design | 17:34 |
| Kiall | Well, not touching the list of zones | 17:34 |
| mugsie | yeah - thatswhat I meant | 17:34 |
| mugsie | I assume someone will be looking to make sure that they are still running | 17:34 |
| mugsie | ;) | 17:35 |
| Kiall | Okay - I'll write up the various initial load scenarios I can think of on an etherpad tomorrow and email them out, hopefully we can get some clearer ideas that way :) | 17:35 |
| Kiall | That kinda covered the first 3 of the items jbratton added, last one was | 17:35 |
| Kiall | "I noticed during the demo that listing records in a zone doesn't include NS records. That seems weird, because how do you modify them?" | 17:35 |
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| Kiall | We don't currently expose the (system defined) NS or SOA records in the API | 17:36 |
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| jbratton | makes sense from a corporate standpoint, but from a customer service standpoint, customers really like to white label nameservers | 17:36 |
| jbratton | they want ns.mydomain.com instead | 17:36 |
| Kiall | There was some talk in the past about changing that, but I don't think we ever settled on something? | 17:37 |
| mugsie | no afik | 17:37 |
| mugsie | i am not sure how we could do it so that customers don;t bork their zones | 17:37 |
| jbratton | same as you do currently.. don't let them delete the last NS record | 17:38 |
| Kiall | We can likely display them to the V2 API pretty easily, but allowing them to reband them would be more work :) | 17:38 |
| Kiall | On the plus side, if we expose them, it's not a breaking API change later to allow them be edited | 17:38 |
| jbratton | yeah | 17:38 |
| mugsie | yeah ++ on showing them in REST API then | 17:38 |
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| jbratton | we couldn't implement it until they could be changed.. but that's something I can bug our guys about :) | 17:38 |
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| betsy | jbratton: Treat it as a regular record type? | 17:38 |
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| rjrjr_ | what is the use case? | 17:39 |
| jbratton | customers want ns.mydomain.com instead of ns.rackspace.com | 17:39 |
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| jbratton | or they want to delegate a subdomain | 17:39 |
| Kiall | jbratton: yea, API changes are much harder to do though ;) So getting all the breaking changes done ASAP is important | 17:39 |
| Kiall | delegate a subdomain works today BTW | 17:39 |
| jbratton | oh, cool | 17:39 |
| jbratton | then the main use case is white labeling | 17:40 |
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| Kiall | we just don't allow customers to change the NS records at the root of the zone - i.e. white label | 17:40 |
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| jbratton | so going back to server pools.. how would someone know which pool they were on? | 17:41 |
| Kiall | #action kiall to file BP on exposing the NS (and SOA?) record in the V2 API | 17:41 |
| jbratton | because they would want to know what NS records to use for their domain | 17:41 |
| jbratton | or do you envision that being something the implementation should define | 17:41 |
| Kiall | jbratton: today, you can call /v1/domains/$ID/servers and get the list back | 17:41 |
| jbratton | okay, cool | 17:42 |
| Kiall | (I would imagine that still get's kept even if the NS records are exposed in the normal records list, as it's easier to pick out for UI's etc) | 17:42 |
| jbratton | yeah, definitely, in case you are making administrative changes to the pools | 17:43 |
| vinod1 | in v2 can we not get the same list as /v2/zones/<zoneid>/nameservers? | 17:43 |
| Kiall | vinod1: yea, we can | 17:43 |
| Kiall | Okay - Recap... BP to be filed for showing the NS (and SOA?) records in the v2 API - that avoids a breaking API change in the future if we allow customers to white label them. *** Etherpad to be setup with initial load/post-maint scenarios for discussion | 17:44 |
| jbratton | thanks, that addresses the remainder of my concerns | 17:44 |
| Kiall | I'll email the etherpad out tomorrow, and we can figure out where to go from there... | 17:45 |
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| Kiall | anything else on those Q's before we move on? | 17:45 |
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| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:46 |
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| Kiall | Okay - Any off agenda items? | 17:46 |
| bbaby | i have one | 17:46 |
| bbaby | If we are sharing backend BIND server from the existing dns infrastructure, In the mDNS —-> BIND communication, is the BIND server going to act as a slave for tenant Zone? | 17:46 |
| Kiall | bbaby: heya | 17:47 |
| rjrjr_ | yes | 17:47 |
| eankutse | mDNS is the master here | 17:47 |
| Kiall | So, yes, with mDNS BIND will always be setup as a slave | 17:47 |
| eankutse | the "stealth" masters will become slaves | 17:47 |
| eankutse | for mDNS to update them | 17:48 |
| Kiall | vinod1: that random gate failure - I've finally got some logs to debug it :) | 17:48 |
| Kiall | (this was https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1321873 ) | 17:48 |
| Kiall | vinod1: but before I do, did you get anywhere debugging it? | 17:49 |
| vinod1 | no i did not make much headway on this bug | 17:49 |
| eankutse | bbaby: so this brings up an issue where the BIND stealth master has to both a slave and master (to the other name servers) | 17:49 |
| Kiall | Okay .. I'll dig into the logs I've got and see what's happening | 17:49 |
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| rjrjr_ | eankutse, slaves can be masters for other slaves. | 17:50 |
| Kiall | eankutse: Didn't we settle on avoiding that scenario where possible? | 17:50 |
| timfreund | heh... I spent a few hours trying to recreate that gate failure. I didn't realize it was a known issue, and I didn't want to say "works on my machine" | 17:50 |
| bbaby | eankutse: sure | 17:50 |
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| eankutse | rjrjr: yes. | 17:50 |
| Kiall | timfreund: lol live and learn :) | 17:51 |
| eankutse | but I think it takes quite a bit of work to do | 17:51 |
| eankutse | maybe? | 17:51 |
| jbratton | rjrjr_: not really.. it requires views and notifies don't go out right away | 17:51 |
| eankutse | k | 17:51 |
| rjrjr_ | jbratton: ? | 17:51 |
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| jbratton | if you define a zone as a slave, it won't send a notify out as far as I know | 17:51 |
| eankutse | jbratton: would you clarify a bit? | 17:52 |
| bbaby | jbratton: you mean to say that all tenant zone need to go under a specific view under BIND (or underlying DNS infrastructure) ? | 17:52 |
| Kiall | jbratton: yea, PowerDNS is certainly that way.. I'm guessing you're talking about BIND being difficult to do that with too | 17:52 |
| mugsie | nope - I think we covered that - thats why we have multiple hosts associated with serves | 17:52 |
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| Kiall | bbaby: No, there's two conversations being had at once I think :) | 17:52 |
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| jbratton | eankutse: if you want a BIND nameserver to be both a master and a slave for a zone, you have to define two views, the view where it is a slave and the view where it is the master | 17:53 |
| jbratton | but the master view won't know when the slave view updates | 17:53 |
| jbratton | so you would need to write scripts | 17:53 |
| jbratton | it's a hack is what I'm trying to say :) | 17:53 |
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| betsy | But I thought we had a way to make it work without that | 17:53 |
| Kiall | betsy: we do | 17:53 |
| jbratton | we aren't using any stealth masters anymore | 17:53 |
| jbratton | with Designate | 17:53 |
| betsy | Ok. That’s what I thought | 17:53 |
| jbratton | mdns will be our stealth masters | 17:53 |
| mugsie | nope, but we can define multiple hosts as one sever | 17:54 |
| Kiall | mugsie: multiple hosts is about having N physical servers behind a single NS record name | 17:54 |
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| mugsie | yeah, which gets rid of the requirments (along with mdns only nofitying in the right region) for the 2nd teir of masters | 17:54 |
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| Kiall | Okay - Any other off agenda items? 3 mins left before Trove kick us out | 17:55 |
| cp16net | :-D | 17:55 |
| hub_cap | Kiall: :) | 17:55 |
| timfreund | One quick admin question: is there a project mailing list that I should subscribe to? You mentioned mailing stuff out earlier. | 17:55 |
| mugsie | hub_cap: miss taco mac? | 17:55 |
| eankutse | timfreund: Hello :-) | 17:55 |
| cweid_ | too much taco mac... | 17:55 |
| mugsie | timfreund: the openstack-dev list | 17:55 |
| hub_cap | mugsie: TACO MAC!!! | 17:55 |
| timfreund | Hey eankutse! | 17:56 |
| Kiall | timfreund: for the occasional stuff like this it tends to just be direct email.. But we really should be using the openstack-dev list | 17:56 |
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| timfreund | OK, I'll subscribe there. Thanks! | 17:56 |
| Kiall | 99% of the emailed out stuff is related to meetups ups ;) | 17:56 |
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| mugsie | Kiall: i assumed you were sending it to the dev list ;) | 17:56 |
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| rjrjr_ | i'd like to revisit N tier next discussion. | 17:56 |
| Kiall | mugsie: yep - I will | 17:56 |
| mugsie | rjrjr_: cool - lash it on the agenda | 17:56 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: Sure | 17:56 |
| bbaby | Kiall: may be you have answered before. Is the designate packaged now (.deb/.rpm)?. I want to try it on poc environment | 17:56 |
| Kiall | bbaby: the previous release is packaged in https://launchpad.net/~designate-ppa/+archive/havana | 17:57 |
| Kiall | they haven't been updated for icehouse yet | 17:57 |
| bbaby | thnx | 17:57 |
| Kiall | Okay - That's time I think? | 17:57 |
| mugsie | yu[ | 17:57 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:57 |
| Kiall | Any last works? | 17:57 |
| Kiall | words* | 17:57 |
| Kiall | Guess not ;) Thanks all | 17:58 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 28 17:58:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-05-28-17.05.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-05-28-17.05.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-05-28-17.05.log.html | 17:58 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 28 18:00:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | Giving folks a couple of minutes to trickle in | 18:01 |
| robertmyers | o/ | 18:01 |
| denis_makogon | o/ | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | Agenda at: | 18:01 |
| iccha1 | o/ | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:01 |
| annashen_ | o/ | 18:01 |
| cweid | wassup yall | 18:01 |
| pdmars | o/ | 18:01 |
| mattgriffin | o/ | 18:01 |
| denis_makogon | cweid, 'sup man | 18:01 |
| grapex | o/ | 18:01 |
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| kevinconway | o/ | 18:01 |
| imsplitbit | o/ | 18:02 |
| cweid | ello | 18:02 |
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| hub_cap | ohai | 18:02 |
| cp16net | present | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-05-21-18.01.html | 18:02 |
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| glucas | o/ | 18:03 |
| imsplitbit | Can we talk about my merge request :P | 18:03 |
| k-pom | o/ | 18:03 |
| imsplitbit | lol | 18:03 |
| imsplitbit | kidding kidding | 18:03 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, let's get started. | 18:03 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | #topic Refactor/Re-write notifications | 18:04 |
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| esmute | o/ | 18:04 |
| denis_makogon | #link http://osdir.com/ml/openstack-dev/2014-05/msg01619.html | 18:04 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: can we talk about SHADDUP | 18:04 |
| denis_makogon | i've wrote a ML about that but didn't receive any response from -cores | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: I think what the issues are aren't clearly defined. | 18:05 |
| denis_makogon | i'm interesting in re-defining notifications contract, because there're concerns about that | 18:05 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, issue is the actual payload of each notifications | 18:05 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: plz link from lists.openstack in teh future. someon said they heard an advertisement on osdir | 18:05 |
| hub_cap | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-May/035740.html | 18:05 |
| denis_makogon | hub_cap, thanks | 18:06 |
| hub_cap | npnp | 18:06 |
| cp16net | SlickNik: did we want to go over the action items or not doing that any more? | 18:06 |
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| SlickNik | cp16net: That was my fail; I didn't notice we had one. Let's go over that after this discussion. | 18:07 |
| cp16net | k | 18:07 |
| denis_makogon | i'd like to fix given issues( in ML) to make notification flexible and not pinned to any OS service at all | 18:07 |
| denis_makogon | since it's now hardly pinned to Nova service | 18:07 |
| robertmyers | well, these notifications are used for billing | 18:08 |
| grapex | denis_makogon: I disagree that it isn't flexible | 18:08 |
| denis_makogon | example : AZ for each payload seems to be redundant | 18:08 |
| robertmyers | so they are tied to resources | 18:08 |
| grapex | Like I don't get what use case people might have they can't accomplish due to how notifications work today | 18:08 |
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| denis_makogon | grapex, at least move AZ to create call and pass it as one of parameters(**kwargs) | 18:08 |
| grapex | And I know that both Rax and HP people are using the notifications as they exist today | 18:09 |
| kevinconway | regardless of what client/mechanism you use to get the values. you cannot remove values from the existing events | 18:09 |
| juice | indeed | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | Yes, these events are primarily for billing. | 18:09 |
| denis_makogon | when we would move to heat - it would be impossible to use novaclient inside notifications | 18:09 |
| vipul | denis_makogon: the reason why it's in every message is because it allows us to miss any given message without missing any info | 18:09 |
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| denis_makogon | vipul, can we make payload more generic | 18:09 |
| denis_makogon | ? | 18:09 |
| robertmyers | it is generic | 18:10 |
| vipul | denis_makogon: it is generic, in that you can add additional things | 18:10 |
| robertmyers | we can add but not remove | 18:10 |
| denis_makogon | i wrote small spec for new types of notification payloads | 18:10 |
| grapex | denis_makogon: I don't understand though why removing something from it will increase flexibility | 18:10 |
| denis_makogon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/trove-notifications-v2 | 18:10 |
| grapex | If you don't want to use the AZ, you can ignore it. | 18:10 |
| denis_makogon | grapex, no, take a look at current implementation | 18:11 |
| vipul | denis_makogon: what is the motivation for this? is there a hole somewhere in teh current format? | 18:11 |
| grapex | denis_makogon: I am - I'm looking at line 97 of trove/taskmanager/models.py | 18:11 |
| denis_makogon | vipul, when i use heat - i cannot use nova for retrieving AZ | 18:11 |
| robertmyers | denis_makogon: why not? | 18:12 |
| hub_cap | will the AZ not come back denis_makogon ? | 18:12 |
| vipul | heat doesn't tell you AZ? is that the issue? | 18:12 |
| hub_cap | right ^^ | 18:12 |
| hub_cap | if heat has no AZ we should add it in | 18:12 |
| denis_makogon | heat can tell, be each time notification is called - method calls nova for AZ | 18:12 |
| denis_makogon | https://github.com/openstack/trove/blob/master/trove/taskmanager/models.py#L89-L98 | 18:12 |
| denis_makogon | #link https://github.com/openstack/trove/blob/master/trove/taskmanager/models.py#L89-L98 | 18:12 |
| hub_cap | sure you can do a "if heat: use_heat_to_get_az" | 18:13 |
| hub_cap | so just add an if stmtm | 18:13 |
| robertmyers | denis_makogon: pass a server kwarg | 18:13 |
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| vipul | denis_makogon: so you're concerned about the # of times we invoke the nova API? | 18:13 |
| robertmyers | done | 18:13 |
| denis_makogon | vipul, yes | 18:13 |
| SlickNik | robertmyers: yeah that sounds like a bug too, not a bp. | 18:13 |
| grapex | Also- is there going to be some rule that the moment we provision with Heat, we can never talk to the Nova API again? | 18:14 |
| denis_makogon | robertmyers, server term is specific only for nova, and not for Heat | 18:14 |
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| grapex | It seems a little overzealous | 18:14 |
| robertmyers | SlickNik: yeah, a little refactor not a huge change | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | grapex: not that I'm aware of. | 18:14 |
| robertmyers | denis_makogon: so | 18:14 |
| kevinconway | i dont see why the novaclient wont work. heat has to create nova resources correct? | 18:14 |
| denis_makogon | grapex, for now - no, but soon we will | 18:14 |
| vipul | denis_makogon: I don't think we need to worry about that.. at least not now.. the exists events are meant to be called every 30 mins or so.. | 18:14 |
| denis_makogon | vipul, can we move out nova API call send_event ? | 18:15 |
| denis_makogon | also, therea are problems with payload attributes | 18:15 |
| denis_makogon | like instance_type - is a actual flavor | 18:15 |
| kevinconway | denis_makogon: what is the plan to provide the information that was provided by the nova call without the client? | 18:15 |
| vipul | denis_makogon: i am not sure i understand what you want to move out.. I don't mind calling nova a hundred times .. if that's what it takes to get the info | 18:16 |
| juice | denis_makagon: let's be clear here...there are existing billing departments that use this structure and format today to bill clients | 18:16 |
| hub_cap | ++ | 18:16 |
| juice | do you want us to go back to the billing department and change the process | 18:16 |
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| denis_makogon | so, we still should stick with current contract ? | 18:17 |
| juice | if so there better be a very very good reason | 18:17 |
| juice | I don't see why not | 18:17 |
| vipul | feel free to add any additional fields you want | 18:17 |
| SnowDust | :) | 18:17 |
| juice | I don't think this is an issue that we should spend resources on | 18:17 |
| cp16net | #agreed we should keep the contract | 18:17 |
| denis_makogon | juice, i want to change notification payloads to be more meaningful and correct | 18:17 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: if you are using heat, you can use heatclient to populate that | 18:17 |
| robertmyers | denis_makogon: there is not need to change the contract just fix the bug I mentioned | 18:17 |
| hub_cap | rather than novalcient | 18:17 |
| hub_cap | at the end of the day, it needs the values in the json, its a contract | 18:17 |
| denis_makogon | how to deal with incorrect terms inside payload ? | 18:18 |
| denis_makogon | like a mentioned | 18:18 |
| robertmyers | can't change them | 18:18 |
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| denis_makogon | instance_type - is a flavor name | 18:18 |
| robertmyers | they are set | 18:18 |
| iccha1 | denis_makogon: u can add additional fields and ur billing can choose what to read | 18:19 |
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| juice | denis_makagon: easy it's a wart or something that might not make sense to you but think of the amount of work this will cause | 18:19 |
| denis_makogon | so, can i refactor notification and keep contract as is ? | 18:19 |
| * imsplitbit smells a dead horse | 18:19 | |
| SlickNik | Okay, I think we've spent 15 minutes on this | 18:19 |
| juice | you can always add your own wrapper to correct the terms | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | And we need to move on. | 18:19 |
| kevinconway | v2 will fix all these problems | 18:19 |
| vipul | is there versioning for notifications? | 18:19 |
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| juice | kevinconway: actually v2.1 | 18:19 |
| denis_makogon | vipul, no | 18:19 |
| vipul | that seems like a big hole then | 18:20 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: i like the way you think! | 18:20 |
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| denis_makogon | so, can i refactor notification without changing contract? | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | I don't think we should change the current fields since billing is relying on them. | 18:20 |
| kevinconway | vipul: seems like we can break all the contracts when we rev Trove. in the mean time denis_makogon can only add, not remove | 18:20 |
| robertmyers | denis_makogon: why refactor? | 18:21 |
| denis_makogon | to avoid using novaclient directly and pick AZ from kwargs ? | 18:21 |
| robertmyers | you can do that now | 18:21 |
| robertmyers | just pass server | 18:21 |
| robertmyers | it is already setup to do that | 18:21 |
| denis_makogon | robertmyers, but it requires nova format for attributes | 18:21 |
| robertmyers | so mimic it | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: No, it doesn't need a refactor as discussed. | 18:22 |
| denis_makogon | why not just take it like : kwargs.get("az") | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | #topic Action Items | 18:22 |
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| robertmyers | cause change is bad | 18:22 |
| denis_makogon | it would not work with heat since we need to do +1 API call | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: You had something here | 18:23 |
| * hub_cap channels cartman "with athoritahhhhhh" | 18:23 | |
| grapex | I propose we start having a new weekly meeting in #openstack-deadhorse | 18:23 |
| cp16net | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+bug/1324206 | 18:23 |
| cp16net | added the audit log levels bug | 18:23 |
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| cp16net | we should link reviews to this bug | 18:24 |
| dougshelley66 | how will modules be assigned? | 18:24 |
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| cp16net | we can break it up in the description | 18:24 |
| peterstac | were you thinking of having a review per module? | 18:25 |
| hub_cap | my action item proposal is dance party | 18:25 |
| cp16net | yeah thats what i was thinking | 18:25 |
| denis_makogon | would it be better to do sub-package per review ? | 18:25 |
| hub_cap | see cp16net agrees | 18:25 |
| * cp16net finds a disco ball for hub_cap | 18:25 | |
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| cp16net | denis_makogon: i'm thinking module==taskmanger or instances | 18:26 |
| grapex | cp16net: Sorry about my deadhorse comment, my client fell behind. | 18:26 |
| cp16net | and so on | 18:26 |
| denis_makogon | cp16net, yeah, same as i said, sub-package | 18:26 |
| dougshelley66 | cp16net: are you saying we assign the modules in the bug description? | 18:27 |
| cp16net | yeah i'll break them up | 18:27 |
| cp16net | and you can sign up for them | 18:27 |
| dougshelley66 | ok sounds good | 18:27 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: That would be helpful, thanks! | 18:27 |
| cp16net | btw does everyone have access to edit the description or is it only the owner? | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: I would suggest putting it in an etherpad and linking to it from the bug description. | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | I think it's the owner + bug triage team | 18:28 |
| cp16net | SlickNik: yeah ok i think that makes sense | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | Cool, thanks for looking into this cp16net. | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | Anything else you want to add? | 18:29 |
| cp16net | #action cp16net make etherpad for breaking up the modules for log auditing bug | 18:29 |
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| cp16net | i dont have any more unless q's | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:30 |
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| SlickNik | Anything? | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | If not I have a short follow up with code-reviews discussion. | 18:31 |
| denis_makogon | sounds great | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | #link http://lihk.in/trove/reviews.htm | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | #link http://lihk.in/trove/topics.htm | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | #link http://lihk.in/trove/external.htm | 18:33 |
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| juice | those don't work | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | juice, you need to be signed in to gerrit | 18:34 |
| denis_makogon | juice, log in | 18:34 |
| juice | I'm getting errors | 18:34 |
| iccha1 | juice: u need to be logged in | 18:34 |
| juice | wow - say what? | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | So these are generated programatticall | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | y | 18:34 |
| cweid | juice you need to be logged in | 18:34 |
| kevinconway | i don't like any of these | 18:34 |
| kevinconway | can you change them all? | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | From https://github.com/SlickNik/trove-reviews | 18:34 |
| juice | oh thanks cweid - glad someone is watching out for me | 18:34 |
| imsplitbit | :( | 18:34 |
| iccha1 | SlickNik: so the topics, why are there only limited number of topics there | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | kevinconway: you can add a dash you like | 18:34 |
| hub_cap | juice: did u sign in? ;) | 18:34 |
| cp16net | juice: you should be logged in :-P | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | iccha1: It's based off of https://github.com/SlickNik/trove-reviews/blob/master/topics.yaml | 18:35 |
| juice | oh wow...is this what they call gerrit? | 18:35 |
| grapex | SlickNik: These are awesome! | 18:35 |
| imsplitbit | ))) | 18:35 |
| juice | SlickNik!! SlickNik!! | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | I think he finally managed to sign in :P | 18:36 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, last one missing heat deps | 18:36 |
| juice | no I am looking over esmute's shoulder | 18:36 |
| cp16net | SlickNik: the yaml is pretty | 18:36 |
| cp16net | for the url | 18:36 |
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| iccha1 | sweet this looks really good SlickNik | 18:37 |
| denis_makogon | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/update-cinder-volume | 18:37 |
| grapex | SlickNik: I wonder if we could write some automation to pull in blueprints and write the topics.yaml for us | 18:37 |
| denis_makogon | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/update-cinder-volume | 18:37 |
| iccha1 | grapex: +1 | 18:37 |
| SlickNik | grapex: will look into doing that. | 18:37 |
| SlickNik | btw, the dashboards get auto-published on a commit hook by https://rdjenkins.dyndns.org/job/Trove-Reviews/ | 18:37 |
| esmute | SlickNik: Can we make changes to the yaml? or just core can do that? | 18:38 |
| SlickNik | esmute: right now it's by pull request. I'll set up a group or something to make it easier. | 18:38 |
| grapex | SlickNik: Well this is pretty cool. Pretty much exactly what I wanted. | 18:38 |
| esmute | to add topics and whatnot | 18:38 |
| cweid | woah dyndns flashback | 18:38 |
| grapex | SlickNik: Great job | 18:38 |
| SlickNik | Hopefully address some of imsplitbit's concern of not showing up in the main review page as well. | 18:39 |
| esmute | very nice indeed. Good job SlickNik! | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | Thanks guys! | 18:39 |
| dougshelley66 | thanks SlickNik | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | okay, denis_makogon did you have something on cinder volumes? | 18:40 |
| cp16net | cool thanks for trying to make things better slick | 18:40 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, what do you mean? | 18:40 |
| vgnbkr | One thought - how about moving the last 4 columns to be the first 4 - that way you don't have to scan so far across to match things up? | 18:40 |
| denis_makogon | i said that external dashboard missing another two heat deps | 18:40 |
| kevinconway | and change all the colors | 18:41 |
| esp | SlickNik: we need a mobile app | 18:41 |
| kevinconway | it needs to use bootstrap so it's responsive | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | vgnbkr: I'm not sure that's possible. I can look into it more though. | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: oh, that's because there's no mention of trove in either of those commit messages. | 18:42 |
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| peterstac | vgnbkr: maybe not the first 4, but after owner ? | 18:42 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, yes, should they? | 18:43 |
| vgnbkr | SlickNik: Thanks - only if you think it will help you, too :) | 18:43 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, that's all I had for now. | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Zuul is offline due to an operational issue; ETA 2200 UTC." | 18:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 28 18:43:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-05-28-18.00.html | 18:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-05-28-18.00.txt | 18:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-05-28-18.00.log.html | 18:44 |
| esp | cool | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | esp: mobile app would be cool! | 18:44 |
| cweid | Lates | 18:44 |
| esp | SlickNik: I get on it :) | 18:44 |
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