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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 29 13:00:26 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI Passthrough)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:00 |
| baoli | Hi | 13:00 |
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| beagles | hi | 13:01 |
| irenab | hi | 13:01 |
| heyongli | hi | 13:01 |
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| baoli | Today, let's continue the bp's discussion. We need to save a few minutes to discuss about the summit | 13:02 |
| heyongli | maybe summit first | 13:03 |
| baoli | Irenab loaded a new patch for the BP: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86606/5/specs/juno/pci-passthrough-sriov.rst | 13:03 |
| baoli | heyongli, sure | 13:03 |
| irenab | we have one slot of 40 mins to all PCI issues, no separate Yongli session | 13:04 |
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| heyongli | i saw that | 13:05 |
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| irenab | I think we should plan how to split the time to cover all issues we have | 13:05 |
| irenab | heyongli: is it OK to focus on Sr-IOV networking first and then have general PCI issues you have to discuss? | 13:06 |
| heyongli | fine to me | 13:07 |
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| irenab | baoli: any idea what to present on Sr-IOV networking part? | 13:08 |
| irenab | shall it be over the nova-spec? | 13:09 |
| heyongli | i quick overview the proposal change, but this broken the agreement about multi tag, i think it's needed. sriov need only physical_network, this does mean pci pass-through support should just use this. | 13:09 |
| baoli | Irenab, yes | 13:09 |
| irenab | We also have started etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pci_passthrough_cross_project | 13:10 |
| baoli | heyongli, please check the alternative approach section. | 13:10 |
| irenab | Do you want to meet on Monday to discuss stuff before the session? | 13:11 |
| baoli | irenab, yes. | 13:11 |
| baoli | Check comments from John: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/248 | 13:11 |
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| heyongli | i saw that, i agree with sriov entry use this tag only, but can not force this is the only one tag the pci passthrough will support, if this is what irenab's intend, i agree. | 13:12 |
| baoli | Let's ask him how he wants the session to be run as well | 13:12 |
| irenab | baoli: great. Probably next meeting we can define the time slot, we may want to ask Jogh to join on Monday. | 13:12 |
| irenab | baoli: +1 on consulting John | 13:13 |
| irenab | before we dive into spec discussion, is it possible to have next meeting on Wed same time? | 13:14 |
| baoli | Irenab, yes, let's ask him to join next week's IRC if he can. otherwise, we can start discussion with him througth email | 13:14 |
| baoli | irenab, for next week's? | 13:14 |
| irenab | only next week | 13:14 |
| baoli | I'm fine with it. | 13:15 |
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| irenab | heyongli, beagles: is it ok for you? | 13:15 |
| beagles | sounds good | 13:15 |
| heyongli | next weeks Wed? | 13:16 |
| irenab | Apr 30 instead of Apr 29 | 13:16 |
| irenab | Our holiday happens on Apr 29, I will be out of work | 13:17 |
| beagles | ? | 13:17 |
| beagles | today is 29 :) | 13:17 |
| irenab | My mistake, May 7 instead of May 6 | 13:18 |
| heyongli | tomorrow is vacation for me | 13:18 |
| heyongli | May 7, fine to me | 13:18 |
| baoli | ok, we'll have IRC on Wed next week | 13:18 |
| irenab | thansk | 13:18 |
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| irenab | shall we discuss spec issues? | 13:19 |
| baoli | #topic specs | 13:19 |
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| sadasu | for meeting change we just have to make sure we have a channel available at this time | 13:20 |
| sadasu | irenab, will you be able to check that or do you want one of us to do it | 13:20 |
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| irenab | sadasu: I'll check and update on meeting wiki page | 13:21 |
| sadasu | irenab: thanks :-) | 13:21 |
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| irenab | 2 issues I have regarding spec: high availability and live migration | 13:21 |
| baoli | Irenab, the HA case needs to be clarified, and also what kind of change is needed | 13:22 |
| irenab | live migration is not in, discussing with baoli decided to leave it to other bp. | 13:22 |
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| irenab | baoli: I am still not sure how to implement it, but seems that for embedded switch case there is not majic and VM should get 2 VFs for same virtual network | 13:23 |
| irenab | I will try to update more information once have | 13:24 |
| baoli | irenab, so VM needs to switch between the two VFs? On the other hand, we can't pass two nics from the same virtual network to a VM | 13:24 |
| irenab | I know that currently it is not possible to boot VM with 2 vnics on same virtual network | 13:24 |
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| baoli | irenab, so yes, let's figure out more details offline | 13:25 |
| irenab | baoli: maybe this is what should be changed, still need to investigate. The idea that there is possible to bond interfaces inside guest on 2 SR-IOV vNICs | 13:25 |
| irenab | baoli: to overcome the limitation, may boot VM with one vNIC and then attach-interface on same virtual network | 13:26 |
| heyongli | irenab, i post some comments to the nova spec. | 13:26 |
| baoli | Irenab, how about IP addresses on the two vnics? are they going to be the same? | 13:27 |
| irenab | heyongli: thanks. | 13:27 |
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| irenab | baoli: IP should be defined on bond interface, but I still do not have the complete picture of how to orchestrate it. | 13:28 |
| heyongli | basically i'm fine with whole idea, but there are 2 things i think need to change | 13:28 |
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| heyongli | irenab, maybe the bond interface is what you talk about? | 13:29 |
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| irenab | heyongli: yes, but it should be bond in the guest | 13:29 |
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| baoli | irenab, let's leave the HA case offline for now. | 13:30 |
| irenab | I would suggest to skip to other issues and come back to HA case later if we have time, as I understood from baoli, cisco has other alterntive that does not require 2 VFs | 13:30 |
| heyongli | irenab, sure, anyway, there is no such thing 2 l3 interface have same ip, except it's bond l2 interface, is this right? | 13:30 |
| irenab | heyongli: yes, bond l2 interfaces | 13:30 |
| heyongli | we should discuss HA later, | 13:30 |
| baoli | On live migration, we need volunteer to start the BP and the spec | 13:31 |
| heyongli | and what kind of HA we talk about, the 2 nic to same network? or 2 nic to a HA external switch configuration? or both? | 13:31 |
| irenab | heyongli: 2 nics same network | 13:32 |
| heyongli | if no external ha switch configuration, how this will improve the HA? | 13:32 |
| heyongli | 2 nics to same swich might not change too much for HA, right? | 13:33 |
| irenab | regarding live migration there is very detailed description baoli already has, it can be used for live migration spec | 13:33 |
| beagles | heyongli: was just thinking the same thing.... | 13:33 |
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| heyongli | beagles, cool, this really matter to HA, i thinkk | 13:34 |
| irenab | must mentioned that most of the new content in the spec is input from baoli, I am just sort of technical writer :-) to push it for review | 13:34 |
| baoli | Irenab, thanks for pushing up the update. | 13:34 |
| irenab | heyongli: I mean same virtual network | 13:35 |
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| irenab | baoli: you wellcome. Learned few things for rst format | 13:36 |
| baoli | Ok, let's leave the HA case offline. Maybe it deserves another BP as well. | 13:36 |
| heyongli | irenab, i know same virtual network, but physically HA is what i concern, same virtual network sit on same extremal physical network does not help too much. | 13:36 |
| heyongli | baoli, sure, extra bp is cool for me. | 13:37 |
| irenab | heyongli: I am not sure, but please let me provide more details later | 13:37 |
| heyongli | irenab, sure | 13:37 |
| heyongli | back to spec | 13:37 |
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| baoli | On this use case: Cloud Admin wants to disable PCI SR-IOV support for a compute node. | 13:38 |
| baoli | Is this really needed? | 13:38 |
| heyongli | baoli, maybe, but seems can be done with current nova, get remove all vm, change configuration and restart this compute node service. | 13:40 |
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| heyongli | but this case not very clear, | 13:40 |
| heyongli | and, an sriov networking's stats entry should be <vendor_id, product_id, physcial_netowrk'. | 13:41 |
| heyongli | request for sriov still can use the only key 'physical_network' as describe in the section PCI requests changes | 13:41 |
| irenab | Let's say this node does not have VMs, and admin just wants to stop using it for hosting VMs with SR-IOV nics | 13:41 |
| baoli | heyongli, if it's done through reconfiguring and restarting, it doens't need to be mentioned specifically in the spec. | 13:41 |
| irenab | shall he remove white list and restart nova, or there is something else to do? | 13:42 |
| heyongli | baoli, i also think so | 13:42 |
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| baoli | So, let's remove that line? | 13:42 |
| irenab | heyongli, you added this case upon John request. To add case besides adding new node to existing cluster | 13:43 |
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| heyongli | that's request by John, maybe a clarify this is addressed now by this way | 13:43 |
| irenab | let's try to get his unputs before removing it | 13:44 |
| beagles | irenab, +1 | 13:44 |
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| baoli | Okay, we'll get input from John on that one. | 13:44 |
| baoli | Heyongli, back to your question about the stats key | 13:45 |
| irenab | baoli: there are few comments heyongli posted on the spec. Will you have time to update the spec based on his comments? | 13:45 |
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| baoli | irenab, sure. | 13:46 |
| heyongli | for add extra configuration``sriov_networking = phynet:auto``, i more prefer a extra moduli zed white-list, this almost same thing, maybe. | 13:46 |
| heyongli | i mean, configuration pci device provisioning as : white-list, sriov-auto... even more ... | 13:47 |
| heyongli | suggest add a modules .i,e 'ariov-auto' as another way to provisioning the pci devices, and these modules action like whitelist, filter some devices to pci module, and possible add extra tag to the device. | 13:49 |
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| heyongli | all these suggestion is update to the nova spec. | 13:50 |
| irenab | heyongli: as alternatives? Can you please put this in a comment on the Spec? | 13:51 |
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| heyongli | already done as comments. | 13:52 |
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| irenab | heyongli: thanks | 13:52 |
| heyongli | another issue is work partition, any idea? | 13:52 |
| baoli | heyongli, the spec doesn't talk about how to implement it. | 13:52 |
| baoli | yet. | 13:53 |
| heyongli | bali, so my comments is a suggest way | 13:53 |
| baoli | So yo are welcome to give more details on how to integrate this module with the existing pci infra | 13:53 |
| irenab | baoli: I think some level of implementation details will be required in order to get this spec approved | 13:53 |
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| baoli | irenab, sure | 13:54 |
| heyongli | i would like take patch for whitlist, pci stats, any common and not for sriov only feature.does it ok? baoli seems more likely taken the --nic and vif part, baoli is expert of this | 13:55 |
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| baoli | heyongli, we should combine the ideas behind your patch and my patch and decide what's the best way moving forward | 13:56 |
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| irenab | I think it worth that everyone will review the spec especially the proposed changes and once seems that all covered, people may take parts to assign for implementation | 13:56 |
| heyongli | my bp ,the extra info things for pci offloading and GPU's enhancement will changed according to this limited mulit tag approach. | 13:56 |
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| heyongli | baoli, the ideas need be sync, work partition is another thing to consideration. | 13:57 |
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| baoli | heyongli, agreed | 13:58 |
| baoli | heyongli, are you coming to Atlanta? | 13:59 |
| heyongli | i'm very sorry, very likely not | 13:59 |
| baoli | that's bad. | 13:59 |
| heyongli | but yunhong will be there, i will offloading anything to him for Atlanta | 13:59 |
| irenab | so plan for next week, is to complete spec as much as possible, try to get John on next PCI meeting | 14:00 |
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| baoli | irenab, that sounds good | 14:00 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 29 14:00:24 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-04-29-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-04-29-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-04-29-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
| baoli | see you guys on next Wed., | 14:00 |
| heyongli | see you. | 14:00 |
| irenab | thanks | 14:00 |
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| sadasu | thanks | 14:00 |
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| alcabrera | o/ | 15:00 |
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| sriram | o/ \o | 15:00 |
| kgriffs | all right. Let's get this party started | 15:00 |
| kgriffs | http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/333/e/b/poptarts_by_chuckybb-d6w4nom.png | 15:00 |
| malini | \o | 15:01 |
| kgriffs | #startmeeting marconi | 15:01 |
| mpanetta | wee | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 29 15:01:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kgriffs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:01 | |
| alcabrera | haha | 15:01 |
| kgriffs | #topic roll call | 15:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'marconi' | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:01 | |
| cpallares | o/ | 15:01 |
| kgriffs | o/ | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:01 |
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| flaper87 | o/ | 15:01 |
| mpanetta | o/ | 15:01 |
| sriram | o/ | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:01 |
| alcabrera | \x -> x | 15:01 |
| balajiiyer | o/ | 15:01 |
| cpallares | o/ | 15:01 |
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| kgriffs | looks like flaper87 brought all his clones today | 15:02 |
| alcabrera | highly-available flaper87 | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: some of them :D | 15:02 |
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| flwang | o/ | 15:02 |
| kgriffs | #topic actions from last time | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from last time (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:03 | |
| flwang | guys, I have booked the air ticket and hotel, so... | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | flwang: w00000000000000t | 15:03 |
| alcabrera | hurray, flwang! | 15:03 |
| kgriffs | flwang: when do you arrive? | 15:03 |
| malini | flwang: looking forward to meeting you for real :) | 15:03 |
| flwang | 10th May 15:35 | 15:04 |
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| flwang | haha, a typical chinese guy :) | 15:04 |
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| flaper87 | flwang: w00t | 15:04 |
| kgriffs | cool, a few of us will be in Saturday as well. we should go get some food or something | 15:04 |
| flwang | kgriffs: sorry, pls go on :D | 15:04 |
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| kgriffs | moving on... :D | 15:04 |
| kgriffs | action: malini will document pop in v1.1 api 2x's, once with each param (pop & ids) | 15:05 |
| malini | I did not do that :-$ | 15:05 |
| malini | will get it done right after the meeting | 15:05 |
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| kgriffs | #action malini will document pop in v1.1 api 2x's, once with each param (pop & ids), for realz this time | 15:05 |
| alcabrera | lol | 15:05 |
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| flaper87 | :P | 15:06 |
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| alcabrera | you can do it lazily. we encourag elazy queues, malini | 15:06 |
| alcabrera | *encourage | 15:06 |
| kgriffs | ok, I don't see any other action items from the log. Anything else people want to report on real quick? | 15:06 |
| alcabrera | I'll make a small report | 15:06 |
| malini | I do it in JIT -in case we dont need tht :-P | 15:06 |
| alcabrera | I started looking at oslo.messaging this morning | 15:06 |
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| alcabrera | very briefly | 15:06 |
| alcabrera | I can see the source of confusion | 15:06 |
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| alcabrera | interestingly, there's much shared terminology | 15:06 |
| alcabrera | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/Messaging#Current_State | 15:07 |
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| alcabrera | I'll wrap up the FAQ on that by the end of the week | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: awesome, thanks! | 15:07 |
| alcabrera | np. :) | 15:07 |
| alcabrera | that's all | 15:07 |
| * flaper87 was going to bring the FAQ thing up again this week | 15:07 | |
| flaper87 | we need to get that done by EOW | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to have it all on the wiki before the summit | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | anyway, lets move on. Lots of things to discuss today | 15:08 |
| kgriffs | ok. I have started working on restructuring our wiki. It will take some time to get it right, but please let's keep eachother in the loop and find a nice home for all these FAQs. | 15:08 |
| malini | FYI..sriram & me will get some basic benchmark numbers ready this week | 15:08 |
| sriram | yes | 15:09 |
| malini | tht will be our primary focus | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: I already created a page for our general FAQ | 15:09 |
| kgriffs | rock on. Wiki work in general is my #1 priority this week | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | it's at the top of the etherpad | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | we can move it | 15:09 |
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| flaper87 | I was just letting you know there's one to avoid duplicates | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:09 |
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| kgriffs | flaper87: thanks, gtk. Content is king; we can move things around as needed. | 15:10 |
| kgriffs | moving on... | 15:10 |
| kgriffs | #action everyone to work on getting the wiki ready for the summit | 15:11 |
| kgriffs | obligatory inspirational quote: | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | https://twitter.com/kgriffs/status/460864298856620032 | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | #link https://twitter.com/kgriffs/status/460864298856620032 | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | #topic feature toggles | 15:12 |
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| kgriffs | so, I've been keeping an ear to the ground when other teams bring up the idea of using marconi for a new feature | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | the biggest blocker for them is that we aren't yet graduated | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | I talked to heat about this and they are thinking they could make the feature optional, like you can toggle it in the config | 15:14 |
| flwang | kgriffs: so who will contribute it? us or the heat team? | 15:14 |
| kgriffs | so, just something to keep in mind when we engage other teams about integrating with Marconi. We need to help solve the chicken-and-egg problem. | 15:14 |
| flwang | kgriffs: you know, it would be a reference | 15:14 |
| kgriffs | flwang: i think there is a design session about this feature; some of us should attend that and volunteer to help | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | TBH, I don't think graduation should be a requirement | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | but that's a topic for another meeting | 15:15 |
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| flwang | kgriffs: +1, so should we actively interlock with the potential interested team to make it happen and make it as a reference? | 15:15 |
| * flaper87 doesn't want to randomly rant | 15:15 | |
| flaper87 | flwang: we are our own marketing team | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | we need to think how other projects could benefit from marconi | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | flwang: yes. Let's pick 2-3 teams. I think heat should be one. | 15:16 |
| flwang | kgriffs: and Ceilometer , Barbican | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | and chase them down if necesary to get things donw | 15:16 |
| flwang | flaper87: +1 | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | and horizon | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | anyway, kgriffs thanks for that reminder. it's a good point | 15:17 |
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| flwang | kgriffs: flaper87: i think Horizon is a good candidate | 15:17 |
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| kgriffs | kk. Just wanted to get everyone thinking about removing perceptual barriers to integration | 15:18 |
| flwang | given RAX has already implemented the GUI | 15:18 |
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| flaper87 | moving on ? | 15:19 |
| * flaper87 is freaking out for the many topics to discuss | 15:19 | |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:19 |
| kgriffs | #agreed heat and horizon are good candidates for partnering | 15:19 |
| kgriffs | #topic Finalize details for giveaway, make assignments | 15:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Finalize details for giveaway, make assignments (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:19 | |
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| kgriffs | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-juno-promotion | 15:21 |
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| flaper87 | FYI the time between the topic change and the link posting is how long it took kgriffs to find the linkk in the 1000k tabs he has opened | 15:22 |
| alcabrera | heh | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: you know me too well | 15:22 |
| * alcabrera can relate | 15:22 | |
| * flaper87 knows kgriffs's laptop | 15:22 | |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:22 |
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| kgriffs | ok, so here is my proposal | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | we order 4 udoo boards to give away | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | we give 1 away with a raffle | 15:22 |
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| kgriffs | you enter by submitting your first patch to Marconi by the deadline | 15:23 |
| cpallares | ...and we keep the remaining 3 for ourselves | 15:23 |
| mpanetta | lol | 15:23 |
| malini | cpallares: :D | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | cpallares: LOL | 15:23 |
| kgriffs | then we give 3 away for best app that uses marconi, one for each category (and we need to figure out those categories) | 15:23 |
| alcabrera | :P | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: love the idea | 15:23 |
| kgriffs | #link http://www.udoo.org/ | 15:23 |
| malini | Can we create a Best App by a TC member ;) | 15:23 |
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| kgriffs | it's like a turbocharged rpi with an Arduino tacked on | 15:24 |
| kgriffs | malini: heh. :D | 15:24 |
| cpallares | woah | 15:25 |
| cpallares | neat | 15:25 |
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| kgriffs | so, the student one - I am open to suggestions | 15:25 |
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| * mpanetta comes up with a killer queues idea to get the udooooo :P | 15:26 | |
| kgriffs | basically I want to have a category that encourages participation from all skill levels | 15:26 |
| malini | mpanetta: marconi members are automatically disqualified from participating :-P | 15:26 |
| mpanetta | Damn :P | 15:26 |
| * mpanetta comes up with a killer idea anyway :P | 15:27 | |
| flwang | kgriffs: yep, I would say, we encourage the junior developer, but we're welcome for the senior guys to contribute for Marconi as well | 15:27 |
| mpanetta | Gotta set the bar somehow :P | 15:27 |
| kgriffs | maybe only core reviewers are disqualified. | 15:27 |
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| * flaper87 will sell mpanetta's idea to some random student | 15:27 | |
| flwang | kgriffs: oh, no | 15:27 |
| sriram | hah | 15:27 |
| Obulpathi | lol | 15:27 |
| mpanetta | hah! | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: +1 | 15:27 |
| flwang | kgriffs: my prize... | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | I like those categories and at least I know mpanetta is not a student | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | I think I know that | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:28 |
| amitgandhi | can i participate if i have a student id? | 15:28 |
| * mpanetta is a student in life :P | 15:28 | |
| flwang | amitgandhi: good question | 15:29 |
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| flwang | kgriffs: how could you prove flwang is not a student? | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | amitgandhi: we don't accept expired ids ;) | 15:29 |
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| amitgandhi | no expiration date =P | 15:29 |
| sriram | lol | 15:29 |
| malini | I have a student ID with no dates in it :-P | 15:29 |
| mpanetta | haha | 15:29 |
| amitgandhi | its got full authenticity too ;-) | 15:30 |
| sriram | me too :P | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | re students, we need to assume good faith | 15:30 |
| malini | I think we are digressing | 15:30 |
| malini | cow bell!!!! | 15:30 |
| kgriffs | malini: thanks! | 15:30 |
| cpallares | lol cow bell | 15:30 |
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| flaper87 | yeah, lets move on | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | I like those topics and I'm fine with assuming good faith | 15:30 |
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| flaper87 | at the very end, we care about the ideas and people getting familiar with MArconi | 15:31 |
| kgriffs | ok, so the idea also is to buy some mac and cheese in bulk and slap a link/QR on it that points to a wiki page with rules and stuff. | 15:31 |
| Obulpathi | flaper87: +1 | 15:31 |
| malini | kgriffs: who is buying it? | 15:31 |
| kgriffs | someone in Atlanta with a costco membership? | 15:31 |
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| malini | kgriffs: how many cases do we need? | 15:32 |
| kgriffs | goood question. | 15:32 |
| kgriffs | let's sort that out after the mtg | 15:32 |
| malini | ok | 15:32 |
| kgriffs | malini: are you volunteering? | 15:32 |
| kgriffs | ;) | 15:32 |
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| Obulpathi | kgriffs: I can volunteer | 15:32 |
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| Obulpathi | I would like to volunteer | 15:33 |
| malini | kgriffs: I could, but I have a new manager who might not approve cases of mac n cheese :( | 15:33 |
| kgriffs | #action Obulpathi to procure Mac & Cheese and organize a party to slap QR codes on them | 15:33 |
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| kgriffs | #action kgriffs to create landing page on the wiki | 15:34 |
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| kgriffs | I can use mailgun or google docs form to collect submissions | 15:34 |
| kgriffs | and I will get a draft of the page out ASAP so everyone can review | 15:34 |
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| kgriffs | Obulpathi: Allan should be able to reimburse you or lend you his corporate card | 15:35 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: can you order the ARM boards? | 15:35 |
| kgriffs | I'd like to have one at the summit on display | 15:35 |
| kgriffs | maybe with a cute little flyer (may be one you can download from their website) | 15:35 |
| Obulpathi | kgriffs: ok. thanks. | 15:35 |
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| balajiiyer | kgriffs: I can. I will work with mpanetta on this. | 15:35 |
| kgriffs | #action balajiiyer and mpanetta to order udoo boards | 15:36 |
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| flaper87 | gentle reminder: 20mins left | 15:36 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: dual or Quad, whichever you can get expensed most easily. :D | 15:36 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: yep, moving on | 15:37 |
| kgriffs | #topic | 15:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:37 | |
| kgriffs | #topic Summit objectives, talking points | 15:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit objectives, talking points (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:37 | |
| kgriffs | let's take 3 minutes and brainstorm objectives. just anything that comes to mind; we will refine next week | 15:37 |
| kgriffs | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-atl-scratch | 15:38 |
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| kgriffs | ideas? | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to avoid dedicating that much time to wsgi frameworks this time around | 15:40 |
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| flaper87 | the technical analisys was done, there remaining part of this work is the community impact that is yet to be done | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | s/there/the/ | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | so, I'd like us to get (from the community): | 15:41 |
| flaper87 | 1. Feedback about the API, architecture and Look&Feel of the project | 15:41 |
| flaper87 | 2. Possible use cases within and beyond openstack | 15:41 |
| flaper87 | 3. Ideas | 15:41 |
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| amitgandhi | note - on heat i started this during hackday last week: https://github.com/amitgandhinz/heat_templates/tree/master/Marconi | 15:41 |
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| kgriffs | great, thanks! As you come up with more thoughts, please add them to the pad and we will circle back on this next week. We should also chat about this in person sat/sun/monday | 15:43 |
| kgriffs | (at the start of the summit) | 15:43 |
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| kgriffs | We really need everyone to be focused on some concrete objectives during the week so we can get the most out of the conference/summit | 15:44 |
| kgriffs | #topic Team meetup at the Summit - Agree on time & place (malini) | 15:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Team meetup at the Summit - Agree on time & place (malini) (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:46 | |
| malini | Plz cast your votes here | 15:46 |
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| malini | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-party | 15:46 |
| kgriffs | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-party | 15:46 |
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| * flaper87 clicks | 15:46 | |
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| malini | We have one person flying in at 1 pm - a couple more who want to be there will fly in only on sunday night | 15:47 |
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| flaper87 | I've no idea about the venues | 15:49 |
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| flaper87 | so, we'll meet on Sunday? | 15:49 |
| kgriffs | by sunday night, do you mean after 7pm or earlier? | 15:49 |
| * flaper87 is lost | 15:49 | |
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| malini | kgriffs: later than 7 pm too :( | 15:50 |
| flaper87 | who is Marta ? | 15:50 |
| Obulpathi | malini: +1 | 15:50 |
| malini | flaper87: you cannot get lost yet | 15:50 |
| flaper87 | (ok, I admit it, I was trolling) | 15:50 |
| Obulpathi | Marta is local transport | 15:50 |
| cpallares | flaper87: lol | 15:50 |
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| flaper87 | (re marta) | 15:50 |
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| * flaper87 couldn't help it | 15:50 | |
| malini | grr..we have 3 ppl voted for the 3 time choices | 15:50 |
| Obulpathi | what about summit day evenings? | 15:51 |
| kgriffs | do you have to take marta to CNN? | 15:51 |
| malini | kgriffs: no | 15:51 |
| flaper87 | Obulpathi: those are full of events | 15:51 |
| Obulpathi | flaper87: ok | 15:51 |
| malini | CNN is downtown | 15:51 |
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| kgriffs | how about we eat at 6, and folks who are around could also do the CNN tour beforehand? | 15:52 |
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| Obulpathi | works for me | 15:52 |
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| malini | kgriffs: the CNN center food court might be closed by 6 | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | is world of coke in the same area? I never did go downtown much while I lived in the area. :p | 15:52 |
| malini | kgriffs: it is | 15:52 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: +1 | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | that would be fun too | 15:53 |
| malini | dont make us drink all those coke, plz | 15:53 |
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| kgriffs | ok, so food at 5? | 15:53 |
| malini | I have a moral obligation to not go there | 15:53 |
| flaper87 | 5 is the number of minutes we've left | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | and CNN tour before that? | 15:53 |
| flaper87 | but yeah, that sounds fine :D | 15:53 |
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| malini | sounds good | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | ok | 15:54 |
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| kgriffs | malini can you send me a list of email addresses and I will send out an evite? | 15:54 |
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| kgriffs | or you can send out the evite too, whatever | 15:54 |
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| kgriffs | #action malini and kgriffs to get an evite out for the team meetup at the summit | 15:55 |
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| kgriffs | #agreed summit team meetup at 5 on Sunday - CNN center | 15:56 |
| kgriffs | #topic Make check-tempest-dsvm-marconi voting + add a voting gate-tempest-dsvm-marconi (malini) | 15:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Make check-tempest-dsvm-marconi voting + add a voting gate-tempest-dsvm-marconi (malini) (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:56 | |
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| malini | So we have the job passing now, running against sqlite | 15:57 |
| flaper87 | +1 from me | 15:57 |
| malini | anybody has objections to make it voting? | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | go go go! | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | +1 from me | 15:57 |
| * flaper87 is curious to know who objects | 15:57 | |
| flaper87 | >.> | 15:57 |
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| malini | nobody..yayy!!! | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | #action malini to make check-tempest-dsvm-marconi voting + add a voting gate-tempest-dsvm-marconi | 15:58 |
| * flaper87 gets his lightsaber | 15:58 | |
| kgriffs | #topic open discussion | 15:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:58 | |
| malini | for 20 seconds :D | 15:58 |
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| cpallares | :O | 15:58 |
| cpallares | https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4074/5446299066_66aaaa9271_z.jpg | 15:58 |
| flaper87 | I want to discuss openly the remaining topics | 15:59 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:59 |
| flaper87 | just kidding, we can do that on #marconi | 15:59 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:59 |
| flaper87 | looking forward to meet y'all | 15:59 |
| flaper87 | cpallares: LOL | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | rock. OK, so we have three more topics. Let's take 15 minutes in #openstack-marconi to discuss? | 16:00 |
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| kgriffs | thanks everyone! | 16:00 |
| flaper87 | w000t | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| flaper87 | great meeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 29 16:00:37 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-04-29-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-04-29-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-04-29-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | who's got the minutes? | 16:00 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: me | 16:00 |
| alcabrera | :) | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | Reminder: The Solum team will hold our team meeting at a different time today. It will be at 2200 UTC instead of 1600 UTC because we are now on an alternating schedule. | 16:06 |
| roshanagr | Thanks! I have been lurking here wondering :-) | 16:06 |
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| sergmelikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 29 17:00:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Roll Call | 17:01 |
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| sergmelikyan | Serg Melikyan | 17:01 |
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| sjmc7 | Steve McLellan (sjmc7) | 17:01 |
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| tsufiev__ | hi there! | 17:03 |
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| sergmelikyan | Welcome to Murano Weekly Meeting :) | 17:03 |
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| sergmelikyan | #topic Action Items Review | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Items Review (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:03 | |
| sergmelikyan | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 17:03 |
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| sergmelikyan | I believe we have only one Action Item - file a BP to track conversion of existing apps to the new DSL | 17:04 |
| sergmelikyan | This AI on me, status done: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/convert-existing-apps-to-muranopl | 17:04 |
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| sergmelikyan | Sorry, other one on ativelkov: Advanced Networking | 17:05 |
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| sergmelikyan | AFAIK, Alexander finished Advanced Networking today, and also did Floating IP feature. | 17:06 |
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| sergmelikyan | Now there is a option in UI (like in previous version) to allocate Floating IP for Application :) | 17:06 |
| sjmc7 | yay! does the floating IP get reported back anywhere? | 17:06 |
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| tsufiev__ | sergmelikyan: it is still on review | 17:06 |
| sergmelikyan | We expect Security Groups also be finished as task related to Advanced networking. | 17:06 |
| katyafervent2 | It should appears at app detail page | 17:07 |
| sjmc7 | splendid | 17:07 |
| katyafervent2 | inside environment | 17:07 |
| sjmc7 | thanks! | 17:07 |
| sergmelikyan | tsufiev__, yes, one last change related to AdvNetworking ) | 17:08 |
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| sergmelikyan | Other questions about AdvNetworking, or we moving on? :) | 17:08 |
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| sergmelikyan | #topic Release Status | 17:09 |
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| sergmelikyan | Status of all BP's and issues are in actual state: https://launchpad.net/murano/+milestone/0.5 | 17:10 |
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| sergmelikyan | We planned to have code-freeze today, do we ready? | 17:11 |
| sergmelikyan | tsufiev? | 17:11 |
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| tsufiev__ | sergmelikyan: there are still several commits on review | 17:12 |
| tsufiev__ | with -1 from murano-ci | 17:12 |
| sergmelikyan | :( | 17:12 |
| tsufiev__ | exactly, 2 commits with -1 from murano-ci and one with -1 from tnurlyagayanov | 17:13 |
| tsufiev__ | I don't know whether murano-ci is relevant now or not - better ask our QA | 17:13 |
| sergmelikyan | tnurlygayanov ? ) Does this -1 from murano-ci relevant or related to our CI being on maintance? | 17:14 |
| sergmelikyan | Looking on changes - I think they will be merged today :) | 17:15 |
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| tsufiev__ | yes, I hope so :) | 17:16 |
| sergmelikyan | Guys, a little notice about code-freeze procedure: We branching our release-0.5 branch, and all changes related to release goes to that branch | 17:16 |
| sergmelikyan | Only bug-fixes, security fixes are get merged to release-0.5 branch. | 17:16 |
| sergmelikyan | After branch is stable enough - we tag it we appropriate tag | 17:17 |
| sergmelikyan | to push changes to specific branch - just mention branch name: git review release-0.5 | 17:17 |
| sergmelikyan | change will be published to release-0.5 branch | 17:17 |
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| tsufiev__ | sergmelikyan: i suspect it'd better for one man to do it | 17:18 |
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| tsufiev__ | by man i mean ruhe :) | 17:18 |
| katyafervent2 | :) | 17:19 |
| sergmelikyan | tsufiev__, sure | 17:19 |
| sergmelikyan | Actually who does create branches not really matter, I think :) | 17:19 |
| sergmelikyan | #info ruhe to create release-0.5 branches after announcing code-freeze | 17:20 |
| tsufiev__ | oh, i meant mostly final 0.5 tagging | 17:20 |
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| sergmelikyan | #info code-freeze will be announced after all release-0.5 relevant changes going to be merged | 17:20 |
| sergmelikyan | tsufiev__, ok ) | 17:21 |
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| sergmelikyan | #info ruhe to tag release-0.5 branch with appropriate tag after release | 17:21 |
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| sergmelikyan | katyafervent, can you share some details about documentation for this release? | 17:22 |
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| sergmelikyan | this almost only still open blueprint | 17:22 |
| sergmelikyan | *this is | 17:22 |
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| katyafervent2 | User guide is updated, developer docs were updated by ruhe and located at the read the docs | 17:22 |
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| katyafervent2 | we plan to extend read the dohttps://murano-api.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 17:23 |
| katyafervent2 | https://murano-api.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 17:23 |
| katyafervent2 | to extend this page with information from wiki | 17:23 |
| katyafervent2 | and plan to add some more information, about MuranoPL for ex. | 17:24 |
| katyafervent2 | So documentation status is about 75% ready | 17:24 |
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| katyafervent2 | Do you have any questions or we can move on? | 17:25 |
| sergmelikyan | katyafervent, actually status looks not so good :( But I think that not-developer documentation (located in separate repo) may be finished after code-freeze. | 17:26 |
| katyafervent2 | sure | 17:26 |
| sergmelikyan | katyafervent, let's move on :) Next still open BP is also on you: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/add-return-to-environment-checkbox | 17:27 |
| sergmelikyan | sorry | 17:27 |
| sergmelikyan | wrong one :) It is already implemented :) | 17:27 |
| sergmelikyan | "Convert existing Apps to MuranoPL" - is on me :) | 17:27 |
| sergmelikyan | Looks like we have only 4 apps not converted to the new MuranoPL: IIS, ASP.NET, SQL Server, SQL Cluster | 17:28 |
| sergmelikyan | I think last one will not be converted in this release :( Too heavy one | 17:28 |
| katyafervent2 | Too complex you mean? | 17:29 |
| sergmelikyan | It is not as much complex, as have too many scripts and parts that are hard to debug | 17:29 |
| sergmelikyan | But other Apps have pretty good chance to be converted. | 17:30 |
| sergmelikyan | We extracted all apps to https://github.com/murano-project/murano-app-incubator | 17:30 |
| tsufiev__ | better to improve MuranoPL debugging first, either debugging SQL Cluster will be a nightmare :) | 17:31 |
| sergmelikyan | simular to stackforge | 17:31 |
| sjmc7 | as a sort of aside, it would be great to have a way of verifying packages without having to deploy them | 17:31 |
| sjmc7 | agreed tsufiev__ :) | 17:31 |
| sergmelikyan | simular to stackforge/heat-templates | 17:31 |
| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, how do you see this? :) | 17:31 |
| sjmc7 | as a dream :) not sure - something like heat's template-validate | 17:31 |
| sergmelikyan | :) | 17:32 |
| sjmc7 | something for another day | 17:32 |
| sergmelikyan | Let's move open discussion and discuss? :) | 17:32 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Open Discussion | 17:32 |
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| katyafervent2 | we can create syntax validator | 17:32 |
| sjmc7 | currently, debugging is very difficult - some things could be made better by making sure heat errors and engine errors are reported better | 17:33 |
| sjmc7 | but yes katyafervent2, that would help also | 17:33 |
| sergmelikyan | Package consist of several parts that needs to be validated: manifest.yaml - package manifest, may be easily validated without deployment. | 17:33 |
| katyafervent2 | sjmc7:will you create blueprint for that? | 17:33 |
| sjmc7 | it's things like variable names being mismatched that cause silent errors, heat template fragment errors | 17:34 |
| katyafervent2 | we can validate archive during uploading | 17:34 |
| sergmelikyan | scripts - hard to be validated without deployment, and even with deployment this also hard to validate. | 17:34 |
| sjmc7 | katyafervent2 - yes, i will create a blueprint, though it might end up being done in several pieces | 17:34 |
| tsufiev__ | katyafervent2: unfortunately, we'll form modality if validation fails :( | 17:34 |
| tsufiev__ | *we'll lose | 17:34 |
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| sjmc7 | sergmelikyan - yes, agreed, some stuff is harder to validate | 17:35 |
| tsufiev__ | that's how it is done in horizon for file uploads | 17:35 |
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| sergmelikyan | MuranoPL - this is most interesting parts :) I will try to share my thoughts about MuranoPL validation: | 17:36 |
| sjmc7 | there are already some tickets to improve how the engine reports errors i think | 17:36 |
| katyafervent2 | but if can validate smth before a deployment, let's do it | 17:36 |
| sjmc7 | this discussion could go forever :) | 17:36 |
| tsufiev__ | sjmc7: also i'd be interested to hear about UI improvement you spoke earlier | 17:36 |
| tsufiev__ | or have they all been already commited? | 17:37 |
| sjmc7 | tsufiev__ - no, we were waiting til the release | 17:37 |
| sjmc7 | ^til after | 17:37 |
| tsufiev__ | sergmelikyan: are we free to speak about plans for next release? | 17:37 |
| sjmc7 | btully will probably be the person that leads those changes | 17:38 |
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| sergmelikyan | 1)Input ObjectModel validation: should be handled by contracts, currently handled in two layers: UI with UI definition and dashboard processing, and Contracts & Types in Engine. Each of them have own pitfalls. Engine is a very like PoC one: almost no logging, no exception handling or debugging aid. One of the first priority thing in the next release. | 17:38 |
| tsufiev__ | sjmc7: ok. anyway, he can submit blueprints too | 17:38 |
| sergmelikyan | tsufiev__, why not? | 17:38 |
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| sergmelikyan | UI Validation - not sure that will be improved above what we have now in the next release. Should be completely superseeded by Contract & Types validation in UI | 17:39 |
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| tsufiev__ | sergmelikyan: speaking of data validation on UI side... we've spoken recently with ativelkov about porting YAQL to JavaScript - which should make field validation much easier using YAQL expressions (get rid of hand-written javascript code) | 17:40 |
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| ativelkov | Hi folks, sorry for being soo late today | 17:40 |
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| sergmelikyan | tsufiev__, but leaves duplication :( | 17:40 |
| tsufiev__ | so, i've investigated a bit and found that there is a Jison js-library similary to ply used in python YAQL - and it can be used for that purpose | 17:41 |
| sergmelikyan | 2)Murano PL validation: may be tested in several ways. Core functions available in YAQL may be tested by unit-tests, Core Library may be tested by our MuranoPL testing tool - we can mock calls to the actual services and test workflow execution or some language constructs | 17:41 |
| tsufiev__ | sergmelikyan: which duplication do you actually mean? | 17:41 |
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| sergmelikyan | tsufiev__, duplication of Contracts in class properties and validators in UI definition | 17:42 |
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| sergmelikyan | UI definition is a kind of a hack, I think, we had no time to make proper dynamic ui that relies only on application description/ | 17:42 |
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| ativelkov | sergmelikyan: Not exactly | 17:43 |
| tsufiev__ | sergmelikyan: yes, seamless converting MuranoPL contracts into UI looks like a distant perspective | 17:43 |
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| ativelkov | I don't think this is possible and is a goal | 17:43 |
| tsufiev__ | ativelkov: why shouldn't we consider it as a goal?? | 17:44 |
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| ativelkov | Because UI is always richer then app definition | 17:44 |
| sjmc7 | i'll create a blueprint and we can add ideas to it? I think there are lots of things that would help that can be done at different times | 17:44 |
| ativelkov | And we will not be able to generate a complete UI based on it | 17:44 |
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| ativelkov | So, UI definition will always be needed | 17:44 |
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| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, sure! We can discuss in etherpad/google doc as much more easy tools to hold discussion in | 17:45 |
| ativelkov | However, we may think about some notation which will map fields in IU definition to properties of class declarations, and if the latter have contracts, they will be inforced on the former | 17:46 |
| sergmelikyan | ativelkov, but I think in a little bit other form, more like ui hints - to help with presentation layer, not validation | 17:46 |
| ativelkov | sergmelikyan: yes, exactly | 17:46 |
| tsufiev__ | ativelkov: i'd put it that way: for the UI to be reach enough we would have to add additional hints to MuranoPL classes making them less focused on deployment/ALM/such things | 17:46 |
| tsufiev__ | (if we are to make UI defs from MuranoPL classes) | 17:47 |
| ativelkov | tsufiev__: right, and we don't want that | 17:47 |
| ativelkov | So, the UI definition will define user controls and map them to MuranoPL classes | 17:47 |
| ativelkov | this will enforce the contracts (yet additional validation and automation may be added on UI-only side) | 17:47 |
| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, I suggest to create BP and attach etherpad/google doc. We can discuss there some ideas and latter have some workshop/brainstorm discussion in hangout. This is very important topic. | 17:47 |
| sjmc7 | yep, will do | 17:48 |
| sjmc7 | told you this could go on forever :) | 17:48 |
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| ativelkov | Currently we just have instance templates, which manually copy the data from forms to the model. This may be improved | 17:48 |
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| tsufiev__ | ativelkov: this templates/applications sections actually have not much common with UI | 17:49 |
| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, we need to start from something :) I really hate debugging in current state of the engine - is almost like wooodoo magic | 17:49 |
| sjmc7 | yes. it is very frustrating | 17:50 |
| tsufiev__ | they were added as a temporary solution :) - to fit plain forms to new tree-like object model | 17:50 |
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| ativelkov | sergmelikyan: it is not "like the magic", it is the magic itself | 17:50 |
| sergmelikyan | :) Especially with event driven code :) | 17:50 |
| tsufiev__ | ativelkov: so they are better to be moved somewhere else | 17:51 |
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| ativelkov | As I said, I would follow some MVC-like pattern | 17:52 |
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| ativelkov | UI definitions define the view, model is provided by the MuranoPL class declarations, "Controller" is represented by YAQL expressions that bind M to V | 17:53 |
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| tsufiev__ | so the question is where the 'Controller' should reside? | 17:54 |
| ativelkov | This needs to be discussed | 17:54 |
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| ativelkov | In simple case it is just a "binding" yaql expression in field's declararion | 17:55 |
| sergmelikyan | ativelkov, I see it blended with app definition, something like in Cloudify. But this needs discussion and some time to think about :) UI-hints blended with app definition is my vision from top of the head - probably wrong one :) | 17:55 |
| ativelkov | However, there are repeated patterns and more, and this needs to be defined somhow and somewhere | 17:55 |
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| tsufiev__ | another issue will be the necessity to maintain backward compatibility with existing templates/definitions - thus we'll have to desing it well from the beginning... | 17:57 |
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| ativelkov | A hell of template compatibility.. Yes, may be an issue | 17:58 |
| sergmelikyan | I think we can drop that compatibility by offering some simple convertion tool | 17:58 |
| sergmelikyan | Let's wrap-up :) Time is ticking out :) | 17:58 |
| sergmelikyan | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 29 17:59:05 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| ativelkov | Ok. Thanks ) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-04-29-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-04-29-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-04-29-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
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| lifeless | ohhaihai | 19:00 |
| jdob | o/ | 19:00 |
| rpodolyaka1 | o/ | 19:00 |
| pblaho | o/ | 19:00 |
| shadower | hola | 19:00 |
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| bnemec | \o | 19:00 |
| dshulyak_ | o/ | 19:00 |
| marios | o/ | 19:00 |
| tzumainn | hiya! | 19:00 |
| greghaynes | topic says other meeting going on? | 19:00 |
| pbelanyi_ | hi | 19:00 |
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| SpamapS | ahoy | 19:00 |
| lifeless | fixing | 19:00 |
| lifeless | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 29 19:01:03 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lifeless. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:01 |
| derekh | yo | 19:01 |
| SpamapS | some projects took this week off for meetings. | 19:01 |
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| greghaynes | O/ | 19:01 |
| marios | SpamapS: yeah, neutron did | 19:01 |
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| jdob | i think heat did too | 19:01 |
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| GheRivero | o/ | 19:01 |
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| marios | :) | 19:02 |
| lsmola2 | hello | 19:02 |
| lifeless | slackers | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #topic agenda | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:02 | |
| lifeless | bugs | 19:02 |
| lifeless | reviews | 19:02 |
| lifeless | Projects needing releases | 19:02 |
| lifeless | CD Cloud status | 19:02 |
| lifeless | CI | 19:02 |
| lifeless | Insert one-off agenda items here | 19:02 |
| lifeless | open discussion | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #topic bugs | 19:02 |
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| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:03 |
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| lifeless | rpodolyaka1: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88597/ needs a rebase | 19:03 |
| rpodolyaka1 | lifeless: ack | 19:03 |
| lifeless | I think we're fully triaged. yay bots | 19:04 |
| lifeless | now, what about criticals | 19:04 |
| marios | been looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1290486 after comparing notes with tchaypo today, seems not so easy to reproduce for f20 envs. updated ticket. will investigate some more tomorrow | 19:04 |
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| lifeless | slagle: https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config - two criticals there I thought the release last week would have closed ? | 19:04 |
| tchaypo | Thanks marios | 19:04 |
| lifeless | slagle: or was that the project SpamapS ninjad? and if so... SpamapS did you skip part of the proces? | 19:05 |
| * lifeless pauses for SpamapS / slagle :) | 19:06 | |
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| SpamapS | lifeless: sorryrry whasorry I'm having internet issues | 19:06 |
| lifeless | 07:04 < lifeless> slagle: https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config - two criticals there I thought | 19:07 |
| lifeless | the release last week would have closed ? | 19:07 |
| lifeless | 07:04 < tchaypo> Thanks marios | 19:07 |
| lifeless | 07:05 < lifeless> slagle: or was that the project SpamapS ninjad? and if so... SpamapS did you skip part | 19:07 |
| lifeless | of the proces? | 19:07 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: which project did you release last week ? | 19:07 |
| slagle | i don't think i released occ | 19:08 |
| lifeless | then SpamapS - I'll leave it with you to resolve whether those bugs are meant to be closed | 19:08 |
| lifeless | and keep the meeting moving | 19:08 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: ninja release did not close the bugs. I closed them now. | 19:08 |
| SpamapS | ahhh.. internet storm passed | 19:09 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: os-collect-config is the one I released | 19:09 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ has one critical, I've pushed a fix (I believe). | 19:09 |
| lifeless | and https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ has 8 criticals | 19:09 |
| slagle | so my fixes for https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1270646 have merged | 19:09 |
| slagle | do you want to close that one? | 19:09 |
| slagle | i don't know what else to do for it at this point | 19:10 |
| lifeless | slagle: thats the workaround by advertising mtu ? | 19:10 |
| slagle | yes | 19:10 |
| lifeless | slagle: we should close the tripleo task then. Much as I have a huge philosophical issue with the approach, its not our call | 19:10 |
| slagle | there was a fix to tie and tht that have merged | 19:10 |
| slagle | lifeless: ok | 19:10 |
| lifeless | slagle: as in, its an upstream ovs root cause thing | 19:10 |
| lifeless | and ranting and railing over here won't help | 19:11 |
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| lifeless | I believe 1272803 was biting SpamapS yesterday | 19:11 |
| lifeless | I think we can close https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1280941 | 19:12 |
| derekh | lifeless: I dropped the ball on 1272803 , picking it back up now | 19:12 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: yeah, derekh confirmed that and said he had a plan | 19:12 |
| SpamapS | oh there you are :) | 19:12 |
| lifeless | derekh: cool | 19:12 |
| lifeless | I see slagle has patches open for 1287453 | 19:12 |
| lifeless | and there is a fun discussion about keystone v3 on the list related to it | 19:13 |
| lifeless | I hopefully roped morganfainberg_Z into that | 19:13 |
| lifeless | have not had time to check this morning | 19:13 |
| slagle | yea, well, i marked my patches WIP | 19:13 |
| slagle | since os-cloud-config already has the code as well | 19:13 |
| slagle | makes sense to just get that ready and switch to that | 19:13 |
| lifeless | yup | 19:13 |
| lifeless | 1293782 - I don't believe stevenk is working on that right now, and we have a workaround in place. shall we unassign and drop to high ? | 19:14 |
| lifeless | since the defect isn't 'cloud broken', its 'cloud slow' | 19:14 |
| lifeless | rpodolyaka1 has a fix for 1304424 that I noted needs a rebase above | 19:15 |
| slagle | fine by me on 1293782 | 19:15 |
| lifeless | derekh: what about 1308407 is it still a thing ? | 19:15 |
| slagle | will update | 19:15 |
| SpamapS | wait | 19:16 |
| SpamapS | os-cloud-config has the heat domain code? | 19:16 |
| SpamapS | if so I have some patches that _I_ need to WIP :) | 19:16 |
| SpamapS | or even abandon | 19:16 |
| rpodolyaka1 | lifeless: done | 19:16 |
| slagle | now you're making me second guess :) | 19:16 |
| derekh | lifeless: yup, 1308407 is still a thing, still waiting on reviews | 19:17 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: | 19:17 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: have a look in it, and its review queue :) | 19:17 |
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| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1306596 has an abandoned patch | 19:17 |
| lifeless | Ng: do you know cial's IRC handle ? | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: will do! | 19:17 |
| lifeless | Ng: I mean Cian | 19:18 |
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| slagle | SpamapS: yea, it's in http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/os-cloud-config/tree/os_cloud_config/keystone.py | 19:18 |
| lifeless | ok no comments re https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1280941 so closing it | 19:19 |
| Ng | lifeless: hmm, no | 19:19 |
| SpamapS | slagle: cool! I missed that. | 19:19 |
| lifeless | Ng: can I ask you to ping them about that review, since its a critical bug... | 19:20 |
| lifeless | Ng: and while its abandoned noone else can tweak it | 19:20 |
| lifeless | rpodolyaka1: prbably want to toggle in-progress to tiraged for that bug too | 19:20 |
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| lifeless | ok any other bugs business? | 19:21 |
| lifeless | fav bug? left by wayside bug ? | 19:21 |
| rpodolyaka1 | lifeless: done | 19:21 |
| Ng | lifeless: k | 19:22 |
| lifeless | #topic reviews | 19:22 |
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| lifeless | Ng: they just need to un-abandon it | 19:22 |
| lifeless | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:23 |
| Ng | lifeless: yup, composing a mail now | 19:23 |
| lifeless | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt | 19:23 |
| bnemec | Stats are having issues since the Gerrit upgrade. | 19:23 |
| derekh | lifeless: I believe ^^ isn't getting updated since the gerrit upgrade | 19:23 |
| lifeless | ugh | 19:23 |
| lifeless | still, one day old will be reasonably indicative | 19:23 |
| lifeless | ah, nothing. | 19:23 |
| lifeless | *real* issues. | 19:23 |
| bnemec | Yeah, openreviews is completely dead. | 19:24 |
| lifeless | rustlebee: do you need a hand w/that ? | 19:24 |
| bnemec | lifeless: He has a new baby. :-) | 19:24 |
| SpamapS | http://www.stackalytics.com/report/contribution/tripleo-group/30 | 19:24 |
| SpamapS | http://www.stackalytics.com/report/reviews/tripleo-group/open | 19:24 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: ^^ | 19:24 |
| marios | weird. the stackalytics one seems less updated for me | 19:25 |
| lifeless | the stackalytics stuff is subtly different, no? completely different codebase | 19:26 |
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| bnemec | Yeah | 19:26 |
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| marios | lifeless: no idea. just pointing out the differenc e(i.e. if russel's stats are bad after gerrit upgrade, stackalytics isn't fairing better | 19:27 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: they've tended to be close enough that the variation is not statistically significant in my experience | 19:27 |
| lifeless | marios: was reposnding to SpamapS - and yes, agree with you | 19:27 |
| lifeless | anyhow | 19:27 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: both show the trends and activity | 19:27 |
| lifeless | clearly we're not in good shape | 19:28 |
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| SpamapS | I've been focusing on making CI more healthy rather than doing reviews | 19:28 |
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| SpamapS | with the idea that healthy CI enables reviews :) | 19:28 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: if you do three reviews a day, thats the commitment benchmark, and then its all gravy from there :) | 19:29 |
| SpamapS | Well yeah I'm still hitting that :) | 19:29 |
| lifeless | ok so | 19:29 |
| lifeless | I see a bunch of passthrough candidates | 19:29 |
| lifeless | but indeed we've had a lot of CI issues - different section to the meeting | 19:29 |
| lifeless | any proposals around reviews? | 19:30 |
| SpamapS | we have 11 cores that are not though | 19:30 |
| bnemec | Ooh, more passthroughs for me to -2? :-) | 19:30 |
| lifeless | and any omg I need X reviewed requests ? | 19:30 |
| lifeless | bnemec: more that they haven't gone from the system yet | 19:30 |
| lifeless | bnemec: so we still see them in stats | 19:30 |
| marios | lifeless: from quick look seems we still haven't -2 all the things wrt 'config foo' | 19:30 |
| bnemec | Oh, I mostly look at the stats since last -1 or -2. | 19:30 |
| greghaynes | hrm, I tried to do a quick scan for those a while ago... maybe more have been added since | 19:31 |
| lifeless | marios: yeah - or perhaps they are things we should be modelling which is some of them | 19:31 |
| lifeless | bnemec: yeah, stackalytics isn't showing that | 19:31 |
| lifeless | ok, moving on in a sec | 19:31 |
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| lifeless | #topic | 19:32 |
| lifeless | Projects needing releases | 19:32 |
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| lifeless | #topic Projects needing releases | 19:32 |
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| lifeless | Do we have a selfless volunteer? | 19:32 |
| SpamapS | IIRC there was some problem with os-apply-config 0.1.15 not reaching pypi | 19:32 |
| SpamapS | Not sure what that problem was tho | 19:32 |
| SpamapS | 0.1.14 is still the max version | 19:32 |
| rpodolyaka1 | lifeless: I haven't done releases for a while :) | 19:32 |
| lifeless | ok, can the volunteer get that fixed too ? | 19:33 |
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| lifeless | rpodolyaka1: \o/ | 19:33 |
| rpodolyaka1 | ack | 19:33 |
| lifeless | #action rpodolyaka1 volunteered to release the world | 19:33 |
| lifeless | #topic | 19:33 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:33 | |
| lifeless | #topic CD Cloud status | 19:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CD Cloud status (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:33 | |
| SpamapS | heh | 19:33 |
| lifeless | AFAICT the underclouds and CI clouds in both regions are happy ? | 19:34 |
| SpamapS | so I'm attacking the list of bad/missing/w'ever machines in the HP region with JIRA tickets for our DC ops. | 19:34 |
| lifeless | with the exception of mellanox being mellanox | 19:34 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: \o/ | 19:34 |
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| SpamapS | My intention is to resurrect tripleo-cd, which needs a couple more machines avaiable. I think we have 3 working, and we'll need 5 if we ever get to HA :) | 19:34 |
| derekh | lifeless: things seem to be plodding along ci wise http://goodsquishy.com/downloads/s_tripleo-jobs.html | 19:35 |
| lifeless | #topic CI | 19:35 |
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| derekh | try not to be dazzeled by the pretty colors | 19:35 |
| lifeless | derekh: you were saying :) | 19:35 |
| SpamapS | Anyway, if we can get tripleo-cd up, we can then use the images from that to update ci-overcloud (as in, R1) to trusty and that should eliminate the mellanox fails. | 19:35 |
| derekh | R1 overcloud jobs are running 30 slower then R2 | 19:35 |
| derekh | but I don't think its the spec of the machines | 19:36 |
| lifeless | derekh: linked that to the meetings page | 19:36 |
| dprince | derekh: that is 30 minutes right? | 19:36 |
| SpamapS | we are down two compute nodes in R1 right now | 19:36 |
| derekh | quit a lot of the R1 jobs spend 20 minutes waiting on the testenv , so we have a but there somewhere I need to track down | 19:36 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: you know you can just build the images directly right - ci-overcloud is deployed by devtest_overcloud.sh | 19:36 |
| derekh | but -> bug | 19:36 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: I do. But.. actual.. tested images.. would be amazing. :) | 19:37 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: :) | 19:37 |
| derekh | dprince: yup | 19:37 |
| lifeless | derekh: could it be we have more slaves than testenvs ? | 19:37 |
| SpamapS | I'll give up on it in a couple of days and just jam new images onto ci-overcloud if I can't get a working tripleo-cd | 19:37 |
| lifeless | ok | 19:37 |
| derekh | lifeless: I thought that was a possibility but it seems to be consistently 20 minutes | 19:38 |
| lifeless | is R1 HP ? | 19:38 |
| derekh | lifeless: yup R1 == HP | 19:38 |
| derekh | lifeless: so I tried to rebuild 3 TE hosts today to confirm and they went to error state | 19:38 |
| lifeless | yesterday I saw lots of spurious failures on seed node bringup | 19:38 |
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| lifeless | I'd love to migrate to Ironic in that rack | 19:39 |
| lifeless | its so close to being 'there' for that | 19:39 |
| derekh | lifeless: anyways in summary, I have 2 issues to look into that are currently causing a time difference between the 2 racks | 19:40 |
| lifeless | 20m on the testenv | 19:41 |
| lifeless | whats the second one ? | 19:41 |
| lifeless | second issue I mean | 19:41 |
| derekh | heat stack-create overcloud | 19:41 |
| derekh | take 10 minutes longer (at least) on R1 | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: do we have patches available for preserve ephemeral? | 19:41 |
| derekh | I'm guessing the ovs brige needs tweaking | 19:42 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: shrews has one up for the rebuil side of it | 19:42 |
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| derekh | lifeless: ^ | 19:42 |
| tchaypo | R1 is HP/ubuntu, R2 is redhat? | 19:42 |
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| derekh | tchaypo: yup | 19:42 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: I'm not sure the driver maps the ephemeral siz across yet either. need to double check | 19:42 |
| lifeless | derekh: *interesting* | 19:42 |
| SpamapS | sounds like we need to do some measurement | 19:43 |
| SpamapS | derekh: do the RH machines have battery backed write cache? | 19:43 |
| derekh | SpamapS: no idea | 19:43 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: we kvm in unsafe-cache mode | 19:43 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: but we don't build images in vms | 19:44 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: and we do eventually commit it all to disk | 19:44 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: yeah we do | 19:44 |
| SpamapS | oh I thought the images happened in the testenvs | 19:44 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: though we don't build VMs in *those* Vms | 19:44 |
| SpamapS | ok then _harumph_ | 19:44 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: we build images in jenkins slaves. | 19:44 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: in the ci-overcloud | 19:44 |
| SpamapS | right | 19:44 |
| derekh | kvm unsafe should be on both regions | 19:44 |
| SpamapS | understanding clicking back into place | 19:44 |
| SpamapS | yeah so network probs seem more likely than anything else. | 19:45 |
| lifeless | for the testenvs - dprince was looking at doing a nova feature to let us control that from the API | 19:45 |
| derekh | this isn't building images, the time difference is from nova boot too bm-deploy-help /POST | 19:45 |
| lifeless | yeah | 19:45 |
| SpamapS | might we also have divergent undercloud configurations? | 19:45 |
| derekh | SpamapS: I'd say wildly different | 19:46 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: not relevant in this context AFAICT though... | 19:46 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: more relevant might be that the host OS for the cloud is f20 vs ubuntu | 19:46 |
| derekh | anyway I'll get more info once I carve myself away a host to work with | 19:46 |
| SpamapS | nova boot to bm-deploy-helper is all handled on the local network on the testenvs, right? | 19:46 |
| lifeless | yup | 19:47 |
| lifeless | I think the testenvs in region2 are also f20 based | 19:47 |
| SpamapS | we should, if nothing else, give trusty testenvs a try and measure that. | 19:47 |
| derekh | lifeless: yes they are | 19:47 |
| * lifeless is a little sad at the variation there - just having more variables | 19:47 | |
| SpamapS | Entirely possible something magical happened to local networking in 3.13 :-P | 19:47 |
| derekh | SpamapS: I'm all for that, if its still a problem we can dig further | 19:47 |
| lifeless | the clouds we have an entirely good reason to want variation - its product! | 19:48 |
| lifeless | ok, so | 19:48 |
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| lifeless | #topic open discussion | 19:48 |
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| lifeless | dprince: SpamapS: you guys were having an animated discussion in #tripleo | 19:49 |
| SpamapS | Yes, let me see if I can summarize | 19:49 |
| dprince | lifeless: yes, I'm sending a mail to the list about that. | 19:49 |
| SpamapS | * We have infrastructure for our development efforts | 19:49 |
| SpamapS | * Currently it is all over the place, monkey-patched and hand-deployed (at least, in R1) | 19:50 |
| SpamapS | * We should collaborate on this infrastructure. | 19:50 |
| SpamapS | * How we do that, and how it relates to openstack-infra, are all open questions. | 19:50 |
| SpamapS | dprince: ^ agree? | 19:52 |
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| dprince | SpamapS: yes, specifically I was thinking about mirrors myself this weekend and how to go about setting them up in both racks. | 19:53 |
| SpamapS | Right, so my thinking is, use diskimage-builder elements, os-*-config, and heat. | 19:53 |
| dprince | SpamapS: and I was a bit surprised that you guys already have an Ubuntu mirror in the HP rack. We'll need one in the Red Hat rack as well... so how to do that? | 19:53 |
| lifeless | dprince: the apt-mirror element | 19:54 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: debian-mirror | 19:54 |
| dprince | SpamapS: My initial thought was we are providing our CI overcloud as a resource to openstack-infra (i.e. they already run slaves there...) | 19:54 |
| lifeless | dprince: + a tiny apache fragment, I *think* I pushed a WIP with it in it | 19:54 |
| SpamapS | which is probably.. the wrong name | 19:54 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: uh, yeah. | 19:54 |
| dprince | SpamapS: So why not mirrors too? | 19:54 |
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| dprince | But the larger question to me was who is responsible for these things, thinking ahead to the fact that we want to be a gate... | 19:55 |
| SpamapS | Well openstack-infra will already be maintaining mirrors for the supported OS's to support devstack. | 19:55 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: they aren't | 19:55 |
| SpamapS | they aren't? | 19:55 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: they aren't | 19:55 |
| SpamapS | So does it fall on cloud provider? | 19:56 |
| derekh | I'm starting to thing there I soo many thing we *could* mirror we should instead start with a caching/proxy in each rack wait a few days and then see whats still hurting us | 19:56 |
| SpamapS | (that's good IMO) | 19:56 |
| dprince | I can't answer this question myself. I have my opinion (which would probably be to use TripleO tools for it BTW). But I'm also trying to be mindful of it. | 19:56 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: today yes, since they can't use glance even, anyhow. Thats changing though. | 19:56 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: ah | 19:56 |
| dprince | mindful of infra rather | 19:56 |
| lifeless | FWIW I've had a number of inconclusive discussions about this (nearly all in -infra channel) | 19:56 |
| dprince | derekh: exactly. | 19:56 |
| dprince | derekh: my take was lets run a public mirror https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90875/ | 19:57 |
| dprince | derekh: and then squid it up in our Racks | 19:57 |
| SpamapS | ok | 19:57 |
| SpamapS | So a thread is likely going to be more productive. :) | 19:57 |
| * dprince has a squid element he will push today | 19:57 | |
| lifeless | the issues as dprince says are about gating requirements, responsibility, availability etc | 19:57 |
| dprince | SpamapS: my thought as well | 19:57 |
| SpamapS | dprince: wow, I'm actually shocked there's no squid element already. :) | 19:58 |
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| dprince | SpamapS: I think we need/want both. Mirros are good for stability. | 19:58 |
| dprince | SpamapS: squid is good at the local caching bits | 19:58 |
| SpamapS | yes | 19:58 |
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| SpamapS | Ok, endmeeting? | 20:00 |
| lifeless | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 29 20:00:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-04-29-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-04-29-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-04-29-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
| marios | bye | 20:00 |
| lsmola2 | thanks, good evening | 20:00 |
| lifeless | thanks everyone | 20:00 |
| jistr | see you | 20:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 29 22:00:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 22:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 22:00 | |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 22:00 |
| roshanagr1 | Roshan Agrawal | 22:00 |
| tomblank1 | Tom Blankenship | 22:00 |
| julienvey | Julien Vey | 22:00 |
| ravips | Ravi Sankar | 22:00 |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta | 22:00 |
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| funzo | Chris Alfonso | 22:01 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2014-04-29_2200_UTC Our Agenda | 22:01 |
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| roshanagr1 | Ravi, welcome to Solum ! | 22:02 |
| adrian_otto | paulmo and muralia we are doing Roll Call | 22:02 |
| paulmo | Paul Montgomery here, sorry, tad late :) | 22:02 |
| muralia | murali | 22:03 |
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| adrian_otto | before we do Announcements today, I have asked Roshan to lead a quick discussion about Environments, and give a status on the working group. | 22:03 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Environments | 22:04 |
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| roshanagr1 | sure Adrian | 22:04 |
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| adrian_otto | roshanagr1: all yours | 22:04 |
| roshanagr1 | Thanks! | 22:04 |
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| roshanagr1 | First, scheduling the first working group session on Environments | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://doodle.com/n4w9gmekwz58ekdz Working Group | 22:04 |
| roshanagr1 | We have folks across 5 times zones | 22:04 |
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| asalkeld | o/ | 22:05 |
| roshanagr1 | There is no single time that works for all of us | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | hi asalkeld | 22:05 |
| roshanagr1 | so we need to make some hard choices :-) | 22:05 |
| roshanagr1 | There are 3 options: | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | should we alternate that meeting time too? | 22:05 |
| roshanagr1 | Option A: 9 am Wednesday [this will be 12 mid night for Angus?] | 22:05 |
| roshanagr1 | Option B: 4:30 pm Wednesday [ = 3 am for India] | 22:05 |
| roshanagr1 | Option C: 8 am Wednedsay [= 6 am for Adrian] | 22:05 |
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| roshanagr1 | @adrian: let us see if we can avoid it | 22:06 |
| roshanagr1 | if not then we could split into alternating sessions | 22:06 |
| asalkeld | that's ok | 22:06 |
| roshanagr1 | Option A: 9 am Wednesday | 22:06 |
| roshanagr1 | Angus will feel the most pain with this option | 22:07 |
| asalkeld | how about mostly etherpad/email | 22:07 |
| asalkeld | stress less about irc meetings | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | you can always have the time for the meeting planned, and cancel it if there is no agenda to cover there | 22:07 |
| asalkeld | then only use meeting to sort out contensious stuff | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | with the goal to only hold them when we feel we need an interactive session | 22:08 |
| asalkeld | sure | 22:08 |
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| tomblank1 | agree adrian... | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | for reference: | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/Environments | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/032652.html ML Thread: Use Cases | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | that should be our homework | 22:08 |
| roshanagr1 | I like the approach. | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | to review/comment, etc. | 22:09 |
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| roshanagr1 | shoud we go ahead and put something on the calendar just in case? | 22:09 |
| julienvey | This mail too http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/033930.html | 22:10 |
| roshanagr1 | 9 am CST - I think most people can make it | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so I propose option A, not super convenient for me, but that will keep me honest with what I am promising to Angus about only holding them as needed | 22:10 |
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| roshanagr1 | cool. done. Option A (Wed 9 am CST, next week) | 22:10 |
| asalkeld | is that the midnight one (for me)? | 22:10 |
| roshanagr1 | meanwhie, work on ML/etherpad | 22:10 |
| asalkeld | that's ok | 22:11 |
| asalkeld | if it's not too often | 22:11 |
| roshanagr1 | asalkeld: :-) yes, | 22:11 |
| roshanagr1 | which is why let us hope we don't need it | 22:11 |
| roshanagr1 | for the ML/etherpad discussion | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 22:11 |
| roshanagr1 | it is very easy to get wound up in implementation details | 22:12 |
| roshanagr1 | we need to keep the discussion with the goal in mind- | 22:12 |
| julienvey | asalkeld: I will take time to comment on your etherpad tomorrow | 22:12 |
| asalkeld | thanks julienvey | 22:12 |
| roshanagr1 | which is to answer where does Environments as a project belong in OpenStack | 22:12 |
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| adrian_otto | #agreed 9:00 AM US/Central for Environemnts Working Group for weekly irc meetings as-needed. Cancellations to be posted on the wiki page for Environments working group (url tbd) | 22:12 |
| roshanagr1 | and what are the dependent projects | 22:12 |
| asalkeld | roshanagr1, that's easy - no | 22:12 |
| asalkeld | (it's just a concept in each project) | 22:13 |
| asalkeld | heat has "environments" | 22:13 |
| julienvey | murano has too | 22:13 |
| asalkeld | solum can have "environments" | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | we might want a REST API endpoint for an Environment resource. | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | something extensible that multiple projects could easily leverage? | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | we can continue that idea on the ML | 22:15 |
| roshanagr1 | sso the question then is: which project implements the REST API endpoint. | 22:15 |
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| asalkeld | adrian_otto, our client could just insert the env into barbacan | 22:15 |
| roshanagr1 | cool. back to you Adrian | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | but I think taht topic deserves discussion | 22:15 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks roshanagr1 | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | I know you have to leave early today, thanks for attending | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 22:15 |
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| roshanagr1 | thanks! | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | Welcome to Ravi Penta from Red Hat | 22:15 |
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| julienvey | welcome ravips | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | Ravi is in the process of coming up to speed | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | please welcome him! | 22:16 |
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| paulmo | Welcome Ravi! | 22:16 |
| roshanagr1 | Welcome Ravi ! | 22:16 |
| tomblank1 | welcome Ravi! | 22:16 |
| asalkeld | hi ravips | 22:16 |
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| adrian_otto | we are all thrilled to grow our contributor base, so we are very happy to have you | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | fins us in #solum | 22:17 |
| ravips | Thank you all to the solum team, excited to be here..looking forward to working with you all.. | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | ravips: anything special you would like to share with the team about your interests? | 22:17 |
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| ravips | Interested in opensource projects, worked with redhat openshift team for the last 3 years.. | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | sweet. We look forward to getting to know you. | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | next announcement…. | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | Bug list fully triaged, prioritized, and targeted to releases. See: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/Bugs | 22:19 |
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| adrian_otto | last few meetings were a bit less organized, and contributors were a bit foggy about what to work on | 22:19 |
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| adrian_otto | now the bug list is where I would like us to focus. Anything targeted for "2014.1.2 Maintenance Release", and in accordance of priority | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | we will cover a few later in our agenda. | 22:20 |
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| adrian_otto | so you can trust that to stay pruned and prioritized. It is part of my daily workflow now. | 22:20 |
| tomblank1 | adrian_otto: thanks... | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | next announcement (drumroll please) | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | we have a web UI in the works! (Actually parallel efforts around this) | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | New solum-dashboard repo at: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/solum-dashboard/ | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | thanks to asalkeld for kicking this off | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | it's a Horizon plugin | 22:22 |
| asalkeld | it's pretty simple | 22:22 |
| * asalkeld is not a ui expert | 22:22 | |
| asalkeld | but does the job | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | we also have some GUI elements that we are working on to enhance our Solum demo for Atlanta. | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | so we are working to fit those efforts together | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | if you are a UI maven, or know one who can chip in, this is the time to get involved. | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | next announcement: | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | New WIKI pages: | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/Testing | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | this explains how newcomers can run unit tests and functional tests. james_li has been testing with this, and adding more functional tests to our suite | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | we also have the Bugs page, mentioned above which is new | 22:25 |
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| asalkeld | also note I added a solum-group on stackalytics http://stackalytics.com/?release=juno&metric=commits&project_type=all&module=solum-group&company=&user_id= | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | and: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/TestingApiModel | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | whoops | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | that is wrong | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/ApiModel | 22:26 |
| julienvey | asalkeld: metrics are strange | 22:26 |
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| adrian_otto | discusses new concept of the Pipeline resource | 22:26 |
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| asalkeld | julienvey, it just for juno | 22:26 |
| julienvey | asalkeld: oh ok ;P | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | asalkeld: thanks for the new group! | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | Numergy is also working on a new project for a release managment dashboard | 22:27 |
| asalkeld | release management of what? | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | anyone with input on the new wiki content is encouraged to submit changes | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | asalkeld: good question. for the Solum project itself. | 22:28 |
| julienvey | asalkeld: just a solum specific dashboard | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | we should have something to share next week | 22:28 |
| asalkeld | okie dokie | 22:28 |
| julienvey | let me find a link | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 22:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 22:29 | |
| adrian_otto | the name "solum Dashboard" was already spoken for, so the Release Management Dashboard will be taking on a new name to avoid confusion | 22:29 |
| julienvey | https://github.com/parasitid/solum-dashboard | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | adrian_otto to announce the alternating meeting schedule to the ML [complete] See: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/033628.html | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | adrian_otto to rename milestone-N milestones in LP to YYYY.R.R format [complete] See: https://launchpad.net/solum | 22:30 |
| julienvey | just a little projet we use atNumergy and we wanted to share | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | on this subject, we have two open milestones: 2014.1.2 (bugfixes) | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | and juno-1 for new features | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | adrian_otto to follow up with Lauren Sell about "OpenSource at OpenStack Summit" [in-progress, awaiting reply, expected on 2014-04-24] | 22:30 |
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| asalkeld | ooo, ui for lp | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | asalkeld: exactly. | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | KPI for LP | 22:37 |
| asalkeld | should be lauchpad-dashboard | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | julienvey: can you relay that feedback to @yandegat please? | 22:37 |
| julienvey | adrian_otto: sure | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | tx! | 22:37 |
| asalkeld | tho' note openstack is probably moving towards other things | 22:37 |
| asalkeld | general dislike of lauchpad | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | has anyone seen "OpenSource at OpenStack Summit" announcements on the ML | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | ? | 22:37 |
| asalkeld | julienvey, you should show the infra guys | 22:37 |
| julienvey | asalkeld: good idea | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | If you are attending the Juno Design Summit, please mark your calendars with: | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/b7f067ff055ff7db9c92867f3febe1d9#.U2AomccTQT4 | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/556d10915a1a0a2f1aee3ba286826b60#.U2Aoy8cTQT4 | 22:37 |
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| adrian_otto | that is 90 minutes on Tuesday morning after the plenaries. | 22:37 |
| asalkeld | yip | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | there is also a half day session on Wednesday | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | TBA | 22:37 |
| asalkeld | 2pm there is mistral too | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I will let you know when the scheduel it set | 22:37 |
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| adrian_otto | it will be on the main agenda | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | so everyone will now when and where | 22:37 |
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| adrian_otto | but we are definitely on the schedule and will have time together at the Summit on location. | 22:38 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Review Tasks | 22:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Tasks (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 22:38 | |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/2014.1.2 Task List for Maintenance Release | 22:39 |
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| asalkeld | julienvey, https://github.com/openstack-infra/storyboard, https://github.com/openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | Hope this link also works: | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&fie | 22:40 |
| asalkeld | I need to go in 5min (take kids to school) | 22:41 |
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| adrian_otto | so, please take a moment and look for unclaimed CRITICAL and HIGH priority items | 22:41 |
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| adrian_otto | We use tags now, like this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bugs/?field.tag=errors | 22:42 |
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| adrian_otto | those are the most important ones for us to fix | 22:42 |
| asalkeld | ok | 22:43 |
| asalkeld | I'll get there just trying to get trusts to work | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | thanks asalkeld catch you next time | 22:43 |
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| adrian_otto | https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1314255 | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | that one needs additional information from james_li on the tempest setup used in steps to reproduce | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | all of the other bugs tagged "errors" have owners, so we are in good shape | 22:44 |
| james_li | I will update it with more info. | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | are there any tasks that tem members would like to give an update on? | 22:45 |
| adrian_otto | thanks james_li | 22:45 |
| paulmo | Expect a vagrant packaged Solum M2 demo hopefully tomorrow! | 22:46 |
| paulmo | (preview that is for folks to look at) | 22:46 |
| adrian_otto | paulmo: WHOOT | 22:46 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 22:46 |
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| adrian_otto | aratim: about https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1314255 | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | Openstack Gerrit marked that one as in-progress | 22:48 |
| paulmo | I think she just took a bio break | 22:48 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, we can come back to that. | 22:48 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: how about this one: https://review.openstack.org/89883 | 22:49 |
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| devkulkarni | will review it again | 22:49 |
| adrian_otto | can you take your −1 off that review? | 22:49 |
| devkulkarni | yes | 22:49 |
| adrian_otto | because it did not actually have a pep8 error. | 22:50 |
| adrian_otto | gate was just busted. | 22:50 |
| adrian_otto | if others woudl review https://review.openstack.org/89883 that one is important for us to advance | 22:50 |
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| adrian_otto | aratim: back yet? | 22:56 |
| paulmo | Not yet | 22:56 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: please review: https://review.openstack.org/90235 | 22:56 |
| adrian_otto | should be ready for approval | 22:56 |
| adrian_otto | I also re-wrote the Getting Started Guide | 22:56 |
| adrian_otto | and expect to submit that for review tonight or tomorrow morning after I have a chance to test it (full testing takes about 3 hours) | 22:56 |
| adrian_otto | following all the steps | 22:56 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: okay. will do. james_li: how do the steps look? | 22:56 |
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| devkulkarni | I like the new gerrit ui | 22:57 |
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| james_li | just gave my +1 | 22:57 |
| aratim | hi adrian_otto | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | I am very converned about https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1311112 | 22:58 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: 3 hours? from git clone all the way to curling the app? | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | is that the same issue with WSEM, or is this something else? | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: it's three setups of devstack | 22:58 |
| aratim | its an error bcoz the context is None | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | each takes roughly one hour to run through | 22:59 |
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| adrian_otto | it is marked as in-progrss, but I did not notice a link to a code review | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | (meeting will conclude in 1 min) | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | so please link in the review, and I will follow up in #solum for a sec. | 23:00 |
| aratim | ok | 23:00 |
| aratim | I am planning to abandon the current patch and submit a new one | 23:00 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone for attending today. Next meeting is 1600 UTC on May 6th | 23:00 |
| tomblank1 | thanks... | 23:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 29 23:00:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-04-29-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-04-29-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-04-29-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
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