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| markwash | #startmeeting glance | 14:09 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 27 14:09:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:09 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:09 |
| markwash | hi glance folks | 14:09 |
| markwash | sorry for the delay! | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | hi | 14:09 |
| ameade1 | o/ | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | hey | 14:09 |
| arnaud__ | o/ | 14:10 |
| nikhil__ | o/ | 14:10 |
| hemanth_ | o/ | 14:10 |
| markwash | so I've got one update and then I think we should open up to some more topic suggestions | 14:11 |
| markwash | #topic opening up juno development | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "opening up juno development (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:11 | |
| markwash | we are *so* close to opening up juno development, which will mean that feature work in master will no longer be frozen | 14:11 |
| ameade1 | wooo | 14:12 |
| markwash | There are a few blockers I know of | 14:12 |
| markwash | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75898/ | 14:12 |
| markwash | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75865/ | 14:12 |
| markwash | it looks like we might also need to address https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1298039 | 14:13 |
| markwash | but that should be relatively easy (?) | 14:13 |
| markwash | (I'm just seeing it for the first time now) | 14:14 |
| zhiyan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83007/ | 14:14 |
| markwash | then we must land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83133/ to give the signal to ttx to cut the release and open up juno | 14:14 |
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| markwash | thanks zhiyan | 14:14 |
| zhiyan | markwash: thank you | 14:15 |
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| zhiyan | markwash: and probably https://review.openstack.org/#/c/80674/ | 14:15 |
| markwash | once we open up juno, if there are any majorly complex changes, it might be worth waiting a little bit of time (one or two weeks) before we land them, just because it will be easier to backport fixes if we find any major bugs in the next week | 14:15 |
| arnaud__ | +1 for the last one | 14:15 |
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| markwash | okay looks like there is a bit more to be discussed around that last one | 14:17 |
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| markwash | for the moment, any more questions about opening up juno development? | 14:17 |
| markwash | looks like a no, okay! | 14:18 |
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| markwash | #topic agenda spike | 14:18 |
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| markwash | I saw a note about tasks and taskflow on the agenda, do folks want to talk about that now, or defer to the later time and just report back on the discussion? | 14:19 |
| nikhil__ | not sure if harlowja_away is here yet | 14:19 |
| markwash | okay cool, we can just wait. I'll try to at least lurk during that, if you guys have it in the #openstack-glance channel | 14:19 |
| markwash | other agenda suggestions | 14:20 |
| nikhil__ | I have one | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | Can we discuss a bit about tags? | 14:20 |
| nikhil__ | may be ameade1 can pitch in | 14:20 |
| nikhil__ | it should not take long | 14:20 |
| flwang | jokke_: any question about tags? | 14:20 |
| * markwash jots down | 14:21 | |
| jokke_ | flwang: yeah few ... they kind of fell on my lap as we have a person doing some v2 testing | 14:21 |
| nikhil__ | it's about incorrect response for some of the calls. like HEAD on /images/details giving 500 <- courtesy ameade1 | 14:21 |
| markwash | any other items before we jump in? | 14:22 |
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| arnaud__ | would like to reiterate on the nova bp in gerrit :) | 14:22 |
| flwang | sorry for the break in, but it would be nice if we can land task client code in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48850/ | 14:23 |
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| ameade1 | lol ok so what are we talking about? | 14:23 |
| markwash | ameade1: atm we're just listing things we *want* to talk about | 14:23 |
| zhiyan | markwash: i would like to know folks' toughs around auto glance.conf.sample generation | 14:23 |
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| zhiyan | s/toughs/thought | 14:24 |
| ameade1 | zhiyan: +1 i have some thoughts around that | 14:24 |
| nikhil__ | wow, seems like we should have a pre-meeting to jot all this down to the agenda etherpad | 14:24 |
| zhiyan | ameade1: folks: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83327/ | 14:24 |
| ttx | the psutil thing shall be fixed in requirements and then synced back. If you confirm it i can approve https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81373/ | 14:25 |
| ttx | markwash: there is a thread on it on openstack-dev fwiw | 14:25 |
| markwash | okay, I added some notes to our agenda so we can roll forward | 14:25 |
| markwash | ttx: thanks for the heads up | 14:25 |
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| markwash | #topic image tags (jokke_) | 14:26 |
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| markwash | jokke_: care to introduce the topic? | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | yeah | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | So we are testing Image API v2 and and our testing person came back to me telling that all his tag related tests failed | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | so I have been digging into it past few days and realized that the tags operations in glance/api/v2/images.py were not implemented | 14:27 |
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| jokke_ | I've trying to get those done, but effectively it seems that all the tests touching tags are treating them as regular property so they fell apart | 14:28 |
| markwash | ah I see | 14:28 |
| markwash | jokke_: so PATCH was added after tags, and didn't work for them yet | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | markwash: yes | 14:29 |
| markwash | we've been slowly moving the support for PATCH out to other attributes | 14:29 |
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| markwash | but were there failures other than PATCH? | 14:29 |
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| flwang | jokke_: good catch | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | The first was the set() passed to jsonutils.dumps() | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | I have WIP https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83046/ | 14:30 |
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| jokke_ | my local changes seems to work with glance client well at the moment, but breaks the old tests | 14:31 |
| markwash | jokke_: would it make sense to separate the set() serialization fix from the patch functionality additions? | 14:31 |
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| markwash | it seems like fixing set() serialization is a bug fix rather than an additional feature, which makes it higher priority at this point | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | So one question I had was do we want to be able to change the tags at once with something like {'op': 'replace', 'path': ['tags'], 'value': ['ping', 'pong']} | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | markwash: I can split it out to get it landing asap if wanted | 14:32 |
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| markwash | jokke_: one other note on that front, I think it would be great if we *weren't* passing a set to the wsgi logic. Rather whatever serializer class that is returning a set right now should return a list I guess | 14:33 |
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| markwash | so a slight tweak to that fix may be in order, if others agree | 14:33 |
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| markwash | jokke_: I think we probably should support replacing /tags completely, if there are no particular difficulties you've seen? | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: what is the problem, again? | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | PATCH for tags used to work | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | markwash: I agree, but bit like with the MultiDict I prefer having the sanitizer there even we would not hit on it even accidentally for next weeks/months instead of getting 500 out of the server | 14:35 |
| ameade1 | rosmaita: +1 i thought replace worked for tags | 14:35 |
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| rosmaita | replace definitely does | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | markwash: I believe it could be easier to implement than cange all the tests around there | 14:35 |
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| markwash | jokke_: fair point | 14:35 |
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| markwash | rosmaita: okay, so is there any bug currently with replace? | 14:37 |
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| rosmaita | no, don't think so | 14:37 |
| markwash | okay phew | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | and please forgive me for any ignorance ... I'm new guy on the loop. Name is Erno Kuvaja and I started to work with Glance full time just 3 -4weeks back | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: I certainly doubt so | 14:37 |
| ameade1 | jokke_: welcome! | 14:37 |
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| markwash | all right I think that's settled then, fix the serializer and the wsgi serialization as bugs, add /tags/X support to PATCH in juno | 14:38 |
| markwash | jokke_: welcome! | 14:38 |
| arnaud__ | welcome :) | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: As there is comment on the code that the tags part is not implemented yet | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | ;) | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | so you can't "add" /tags because it's a protected element | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | you cannot delete it, either | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | but you can replace the /tags with [] | 14:38 |
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| rosmaita | which deletes all the tags | 14:39 |
| markwash | let's not get too bogged down now with what could just be bug reports | 14:39 |
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| markwash | nikhil__: I think you had a brief note about some 500 errors you found? | 14:39 |
| nikhil__ | well, ameade1 found HEAD on /images/details giving 500s | 14:40 |
| ameade1 | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1297358 | 14:40 |
| nikhil__ | I'd a suggestion around different calls for Glance API giving back Allow header | 14:40 |
| nikhil__ | like the above one | 14:40 |
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| nikhil__ | it stems from the MP https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78050/ | 14:41 |
| ameade1 | it would be cool to really iron out the api responses without adding too much complexity | 14:41 |
| markwash | it sure would be great if routes mapper would handle that for us | 14:42 |
| nikhil__ | this is not a bug (on a bigger picture) however, a good usability experience | 14:42 |
| ameade1 | markwash: +1 | 14:42 |
| markwash | the 500 error is probably some bug somewhere in our wsgi stack | 14:42 |
| nikhil__ | yeah | 14:42 |
| markwash | it looks like this bug report is in order, can you add a comment about the allow header, nikhil | 14:43 |
| nikhil__ | sure | 14:43 |
| markwash | it looks like the Allow header is required for a 405 so we'd better make sure its there | 14:43 |
| markwash | next! | 14:43 |
| markwash | #topic gerrit blueprints (arnaud__) | 14:43 |
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| arnaud__ | yeah: so did you guys got the time to look at what is happening for nova? what are your thoughts about it? | 14:44 |
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| arnaud__ | context: nova is going to use gerrit+launchpad for blueprints: gerrit as a way to iterate through the design | 14:45 |
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| zhiyan | arnaud__: is that bp template really to use now? | 14:45 |
| arnaud__ | not yet | 14:45 |
| arnaud__ | several patches are out for review | 14:45 |
| arnaud__ | to modify it | 14:45 |
| markwash | I skimmed throught that ML thread but didn't come out with as clear a picture as I wanted | 14:45 |
| arnaud__ | but I think it is not too far | 14:45 |
| ameade1 | would they be using that process in juno? | 14:45 |
| markwash | (I think I just got lost in the comments) | 14:45 |
| arnaud__ | ameade1: yes | 14:46 |
| ameade1 | should we let them try it out for awhile and work out the kinks? | 14:46 |
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| jokke_ | +1 | 14:46 |
| arnaud__ | ameade1: sounds reasonable :) | 14:46 |
| zhiyan | i was going to try to prepare one (for 33409 stuff), but seems other comments say stop | 14:46 |
| markwash | ameade1: +1 from me | 14:47 |
| arnaud__ | ok! so seems we have an answer :) | 14:47 |
| markwash | :-) | 14:47 |
| markwash | #topic task code for the client (flwang) | 14:47 |
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| flwang | markwash: ameade has +2ed, so I need another bless on that | 14:48 |
| flwang | and it would be nice if anybody can help verify that :) | 14:48 |
| markwash | flwang: can you share the link? | 14:48 |
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| flwang | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48850/ | 14:49 |
| ameade1 | quick thought, is v2 the default version in glance yet? | 14:50 |
| markwash | do folks feel like the task stuff in the api is in the state where exposing it in the client makes sense? | 14:50 |
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| ameade1 | or 'current' version? | 14:50 |
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| rosmaita | YES! | 14:51 |
| ameade1 | markwash: i dont think it adds much more confusion than having it in the api | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | ameade1: +1 | 14:51 |
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| markwash | seems like a consensus of sorts. . if there are no objections then I'm fine with it | 14:52 |
| markwash | sounds like there are none :-) | 14:52 |
| markwash | next up! | 14:52 |
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| markwash | #topic config generation (zhiyan) | 14:53 |
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| markwash | zhiyan: can you give a little background and then I want to ask a question about it | 14:53 |
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| zhiyan | ok, time always tight. i listed the benefits in the commit message: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83327/ | 14:54 |
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| ameade1 | jgriffith was working fairly late yesterday due to jenkins using a different version of the check sample config script which completely broke the gate for cinder | 14:55 |
| ameade1 | also, there is a ML thread about this too | 14:55 |
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| ameade1 | i'm not to read up on either though | 14:56 |
| markwash | zhiyan: so my question is, how do we deal with different configs for different executables ? | 14:56 |
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| markwash | I'm not very familiar with how the config generation works | 14:57 |
| zhiyan | markwash: good point. from nova and cinder (probably other projects), seems deployer need to take care that by themself. | 14:57 |
| ameade1 | #link http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg20428.html | 14:58 |
| markwash | ameade1: thanks | 14:58 |
| zhiyan | ameade1: thanks, i just can't find it out .. | 14:58 |
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| ameade1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83233/ | 14:58 |
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| ameade1 | i *think* what happened with cinder yesterday is that config options changed in keystoneclient and that changed what the sample config looked like so the sample in master was out of sync | 14:59 |
| ameade1 | i'd like to avoid issues such as this in glance so i just want to make sure we understand them | 14:59 |
| markwash | gotcha | 14:59 |
| zhiyan | and i think even we go "sample config files should be ignored " way, the change #83233 is fine since i added genconf testenv for tox | 15:00 |
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| zhiyan | ameade1: yes, keystoneclient 0.7.0 updated configs | 15:00 |
| markwash | zhiyan: It seemed like nova has just one config file and you are supposed to sort out for yourself how to split it up among the nova services, is that right? | 15:00 |
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| zhiyan | markwash: time's up. we can talk this more in team irc? | 15:01 |
| markwash | let's close out for now in any case | 15:01 |
| markwash | thanks folks! sorry I was late | 15:02 |
| markwash | at least I was in the right room this time! :-) | 15:02 |
| jokke_ | Thanks | 15:02 |
| markwash | #endmeeting | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 27 15:02:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:02 |
| ameade1 | good meeting! | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-03-27-14.09.html | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-03-27-14.09.txt | 15:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-03-27-14.09.log.html | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 27 15:02:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | hello all | 15:02 |
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| vponomaryov | hi | 15:02 |
| scottda | Hi | 15:02 |
| yportnova | hi | 15:02 |
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| csaba | hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | Like last week I don't have too much to cover today | 15:02 |
| rraja | hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | oh wow a bunch of folks are back today! | 15:03 |
| bill_az | Hi all | 15:03 |
| bswartz | I'd like to start with the dev status and then dive into more specific topics afterwards | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dev status (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| vponomaryov | Dev status: | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | 1) Horizon | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | bp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/horizon-integration | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | code: #link https://github.com/NetApp/horizon/tree/manila | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | status: work in progress | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | 2) Implementation of activation api into multitenant drivers | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | bp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/share-network-activation-api | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | 1.1) Cmode driver, #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81744/ | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | 1.2) Generic driver, #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81808/ | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | status: implemented, merged. | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | 3) Quota for activated share-networks | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | bp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/quota-for-share-networks | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78974/ | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78979/ | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | status: implemented, merged. | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | TODO: | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | 1) Finish "Horizon" extension for Manila | 15:04 |
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| vponomaryov | Open Item: | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | 1) Critical bug, #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1297854 | 15:04 |
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| vponomaryov | thats all | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | critical bug? ouch | 15:05 |
| bswartz | I haven't seen that one | 15:05 |
| bswartz | thanks vponomaryov | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | can you fill us in on the issue with this SSH bug? | 15:05 |
| bswartz | is it a mystery? | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: its Neutron | 15:06 |
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| vponomaryov | we found out, that neutron can not set more than 5 ips for the port | 15:06 |
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| vponomaryov | so we can use only 5 activated share-networks | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | wait | 15:07 |
| bswartz | I thought a port was an IP | 15:07 |
| bswartz | two different IPs should be two different ports, shouldn't they? | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | no | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | port, as entity in Neutron it has assigned fixed ips | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | anyway, there is solution for it | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | okay I'm confused | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | I need to spend some more time hacking on neutron | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | we face this issue, because for each share_network we use separate subnet with /29 mask | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | so solution - use same subnet | 15:09 |
| bswartz | use same subnet for what? | 15:10 |
| bswartz | for multiple tenants? | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | port, that switched to manila service network | 15:10 |
| bswartz | that wouldnt' create a security issue | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | so, its ok, if wo so? | 15:10 |
| bswartz | s/wouldnt/would/ | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | *if we do so | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | I'm not clear enough on the problem or the proposed solution to make a decision | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | I'll take a look at it and we can follow up | 15:12 |
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| vponomaryov | ok | 15:12 |
| bswartz | if anyone else gets what the issue is please feel free to chime in | 15:12 |
| bswartz | regarding the rest of the stuff, we did merge several things this week | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | we're getting closer to having all the features we wanted to have before atlanta | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | since we have csaba today, is there any update on the image? | 15:13 |
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| csaba | yep | 15:14 |
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| csaba | it works now as service vm :) | 15:14 |
| bswartz | completely done? | 15:14 |
| csaba | no | 15:14 |
| csaba | there is an annoying issue | 15:14 |
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| csaba | the image needs a flavor with 256m ram to boot up | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | that's the minimum? or you need exactly that much? | 15:15 |
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| csaba | that's because the technique of building the initramfs is just simply to replicate the rootfs as initramfs | 15:16 |
| bswartz | and the rootfs you've created is quite large? | 15:16 |
| csaba | which is not a problem with original minimalistic cirros... but has this effect for us | 15:16 |
| csaba | well I progressed with 2 powers so 128 is not yet enough, 256 is enough | 15:17 |
| bswartz | csaba: do you know enough about the linux boot process to change it so that it doesn't put the whole rootfs in ram? | 15:17 |
| csaba | that's what I'm working on now | 15:17 |
| bswartz | that's fun stuff | 15:17 |
| csaba | there is actually a simple way to get at that | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | thanks for working on it | 15:18 |
| csaba | ie. just don't use initrd | 15:18 |
| bswartz | if no initrd is needed then why does cirros bother? | 15:18 |
| csaba | the drawback that then the block device's name (/dev/vda1) has to be hard-wired into the boot confif | 15:18 |
| csaba | config | 15:18 |
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| csaba | which might be different if virtualization config/platform is different | 15:19 |
| bswartz | oh I see | 15:19 |
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| csaba | so I think the proper solution is to build a trimmed down initrd | 15:19 |
| bswartz | yeah it would be /dev/sda1 on /dev/hda1 under another hypervisor | 15:19 |
| csaba | that's what I'm working on now | 15:19 |
| bswartz | okay cool | 15:20 |
| bswartz | rraja: are you still working on a gateway driver for gluster? | 15:20 |
| csaba | anyway the current image is available here: http://people.redhat.com/chenk/cirros/cirros-generic-svm-438358f.qcow2 | 15:20 |
| csaba | so it's expected to work if beefy service flavor is used | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | csaba: ty | 15:21 |
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| csaba | made off of this branch https://github.com/csabahenk/cirros/tree/manila-service-generic-devel | 15:21 |
| bswartz | all of the generic driver refactoring is merged I think -- the point of that work was to enable the gateway-based multitenancy stuff | 15:21 |
| csaba | I'll consolidate it into https://github.com/csabahenk/cirros/tree/manila-service where usually the stuff goes | 15:21 |
| rraja | bswarts: not really. i've been helping csaba with fixing the bugs in the cirros image and testing it. | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | I personally haven't been spending time on it | 15:21 |
| bswartz | okay, do you still want to own that rraja? | 15:22 |
| bswartz | or do we need more people looking at that? | 15:22 |
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| rraja | bswartz: i definitely don't mind with someone else taking it up. | 15:23 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: we already have gateway with NOVA's service vm | 15:23 |
| vponomaryov | it can be used by any driver as generic do | 15:23 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: what about the backend though? | 15:23 |
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| vponomaryov | I mean backend driver can use service_instance module to attach its volumes | 15:24 |
| bswartz | the point of the gateway driver is to allow a manila backend to provide a share on one network and have the gateway reexport that into the tenant network securely | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | if the service VM has all the parts needed then we need to make sure the APIs allow us to automate the whole process | 15:25 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: you and I should spend some time walking through that too | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: agree | 15:27 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | okay is there anything else someone wanted to discuss today? | 15:27 |
| rraja | bswartz: our plan for now is to get a multi-tenant glusterfs driver working using the generic service VM approach. | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | rraja: yeah that was my understanding | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | I want to make sure we have a reusable model for that though | 15:27 |
| bswartz | I don't want all the hard work to be inside the driver | 15:27 |
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| csaba | like having a data structure that describes the service vm instrumentalization? | 15:28 |
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| csaba | and just pass that on to the service vm managing component? | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | csaba: yeah I think so -- the driver should be able to let manila know that it doens't natively support conneting to tenant networks and the work of creating the service VM could be handled by the manager | 15:29 |
| csaba | instead of implenting event logic in each service vm flavor.. | 15:29 |
| bswartz | from the tenant side, the experience should be the tsame | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | same | 15:30 |
| bswartz | manila should just know when it needs to create a service VM and when it doesn't | 15:30 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is already know it | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | with activation API | 15:30 |
| bswartz | and there needs to be a communication path between the manager and the driver or the VM and the driver so that it can access the actual storage | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | okay so vponomaryov is clearly thinking ahead of me lol | 15:31 |
| bswartz | I'll try some of this out in my lab and see how well it works | 15:32 |
| bswartz | it's been a while since I spent time on that | 15:32 |
| bswartz | anything else for today? | 15:32 |
| bswartz | all right thanks everyone | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | thanks | 15:33 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 27 15:33:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-03-27-15.02.html | 15:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-03-27-15.02.txt | 15:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-03-27-15.02.log.html | 15:33 |
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| vkozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 27 16:01:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vkozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
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| vkozhukalov | #chair vkozhukalov | 16:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: vkozhukalov | 16:02 |
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| vkozhukalov | agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:02 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic Greeting, announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Greeting, announcements (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:03 | |
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| vkozhukalov | who is here, guys? | 16:04 |
| ikalnitsky | i am | 16:04 |
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| evgeniyl` | Hi, I'm here. | 16:04 |
| e0ne | i am | 16:04 |
| xarses | i | 16:04 |
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| agordeev | o/ | 16:04 |
| alex_didenko | I'm | 16:04 |
| mattymo | Am I late for roll call? | 16:04 |
| dpyzhov | Hi. We have moved from centos 6.4 to 6.5. And we’ve moved to 3.10 kernel on our bootstrap nodes | 16:04 |
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| vk | me | 16:05 |
| vkozhukalov | ok, looks like 16:00 UTC is much more appropriate time | 16:05 |
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| akasatkin | hi! | 16:05 |
| dpyzhov | We have negative feedback about 3.10 kernel, it needs to be investigated | 16:05 |
| meow-nofer_ | me, too | 16:05 |
| vkozhukalov | dpyzhov: what is wrong? | 16:05 |
| vkozhukalov | dpyzhov: i mean with 3.10 | 16:06 |
| dpyzhov | Looks like there is no bug report | 16:06 |
| dpyzhov | So I’ll communicate with reporter | 16:06 |
| xarses | there was some missing firmware | 16:06 |
| xarses | from one of the irc users | 16:06 |
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| xarses | couldn't use 3.10 on Cent | 16:06 |
| dpyzhov | Is it fixable? | 16:07 |
| dpyzhov | xarses: ? | 16:07 |
| vkozhukalov | let's create a bug and assign it on someone | 16:07 |
| vkozhukalov | dpyzhov: will you create? | 16:07 |
| xarses | I didn't look very far into it, he'd rather have ubuntu working so i helped with that | 16:07 |
| dpyzhov | vkozhukalov: sure | 16:08 |
| vkozhukalov | if there is no any other announcements, let's move on then | 16:08 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Blueprints | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:09 | |
| evgeniyl` | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/nailgun-bootable-checkbox-for-disks this bp assigned to 5.1 milestione but linked bug assigned to 5.0 milestione, should we move it to 5.0? | 16:09 |
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| vkozhukalov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/fuel-upgrade | 16:09 |
| evgeniyl` | this bp assigned to 5.1 milestione but linked bug assigned to 5.0 milestione, should we move it to 5.0? | 16:10 |
| angdraug | I think we should move the linked bug to 5.1 instead | 16:11 |
| vkozhukalov | evgeniyl`: we are discussing fuel master node upgrades | 16:11 |
| evgeniyl` | For fuel-upgrades we've merged patches with initial implementation of upgrade system. | 16:11 |
| akasatkin | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/linux-bonding | 16:11 |
| akasatkin | It's in our 5.0 release discussion doc but no BP was created until today. Who is aware of this stuff? I moved it to 5.1 as it seems that nobody was dealing with it. | 16:11 |
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| dpyzhov | akasatkin: Vasilenko is working on it | 16:12 |
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| akasatkin | Ok | 16:13 |
| evgeniyl` | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/nailgun-bootable-checkbox-for-disks | 16:13 |
| meow-nofer_ | I finally uploaded working version for Node object in Nailgun, but some tests still failed. After I fix it it will be much easier to implement other blueprints regarding API stabilizing before upgrades | 16:13 |
| dpyzhov | akasatkin: assign him and move to 5.0 | 16:13 |
| dpyzhov | please | 16:13 |
| akasatkin | yep | 16:13 |
| evgeniyl` | what about nailgun-bootable-checkbox-for-disks bp? Do we want to implement it in 5.0 release? | 16:14 |
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| dpyzhov | evgeniyl`: moving to 5.1 | 16:15 |
| evgeniyl` | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/fuel-stop-provision | 16:15 |
| evgeniyl` | What is the status of stop provisioning bp? I see several patches, are they ready to merge? Or do we wait result of testing from QA? | 16:15 |
| meow-nofer_ | my PR on stopping provisioning is on review | 16:15 |
| meow-nofer_ | and have 5 plus ones | 16:15 |
| akasatkin | dpyzhov: please set priority on linux-bonding. | 16:15 |
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| meow-nofer_ | as far as I know it’s working, let’s ask Vova Sharshov | 16:16 |
| evgeniyl` | It looks like he is not here. | 16:16 |
| evgeniyl` | Ok, lets ask him directly about status of this bp. | 16:17 |
| evgeniyl` | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/move-naily-to-astute-repo | 16:17 |
| evgeniyl` | Vladimir Sharshov moved naily to astute! | 16:18 |
| meow-nofer_ | yay! | 16:18 |
| vkozhukalov | evgeniyl`: great | 16:18 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/provision-ironic | 16:19 |
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| vkozhukalov | about Ironic integration. | 16:19 |
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| vkozhukalov | Last week we agreed with other guys from Ironic about main point of ironic-python-architecture | 16:20 |
| vkozhukalov | agordeev sent pull request | 16:20 |
| evgeniyl` | vkozhukalov: I see 'how to' link in the bp and I can't open it. | 16:20 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/83087 | 16:20 |
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| vkozhukalov | evgeniyl`: it is not actual any more, will remote it | 16:22 |
| vkozhukalov | im working on reimplementing comprehensive partitioning stuff in terms of ironic-python-agent | 16:23 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72950/7 | 16:24 |
| vkozhukalov | this pull request is about adding uuid into node model | 16:24 |
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| vkozhukalov | it has 2 pluses, so let's merge it | 16:24 |
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| evgeniyl` | vkozhukalov: ok, I'll do it. | 16:25 |
| xarses | why do we keep updating current migrations? | 16:25 |
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| vkozhukalov | xarses: why not? i just didn't understand the point | 16:26 |
| xarses | i thought the point of alembic was so that we could make incremental changes? | 16:26 |
| xarses | well fist off, no one cut 4.1 | 16:26 |
| vkozhukalov | xarses: yes, you are right | 16:26 |
| xarses | so thats bad | 16:26 |
| vkozhukalov | evgeniyl`: do you have some comments about alembic and incremental updates? | 16:27 |
| xarses | i think we need to talk about alembic strategy | 16:28 |
| evgeniyl` | xarses, vkozhukalov we need to have single migraion file for single release. | 16:28 |
| vkozhukalov | evgeniyl`: why? | 16:28 |
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| vkozhukalov | evgeniyl`: is it about kinda stability? | 16:28 |
| evgeniyl` | xarses, vkozhukalov and we thought we don't have to make upgrades from 4.1 to 5.0 , but maybe we will have to do it. | 16:29 |
| meow-nofer_ | actually, I see no problems in keeping many files in repo and just merging them into one before release | 16:29 |
| xarses | evgeniyl`: we at least need to cut 4.1 for release | 16:29 |
| xarses | from current | 16:29 |
| meow-nofer_ | yeah, we need to make one for 4.1 | 16:29 |
| meow-nofer_ | not current | 16:29 |
| meow-nofer_ | 4.0 | 16:29 |
| vkozhukalov | ok, can we discuss it in details later in mailing list? | 16:30 |
| meow-nofer_ | they are applied one by one from the first one, which is 4.0 | 16:30 |
| evgeniyl` | meow-nofer_: I see problems, 1. it will require a lot of time to run a lot of migration file, 2. it's messy and difficult to support | 16:30 |
| vkozhukalov | meow-nofer_: could you please send a letter about this topic in fuel-dev mailing | 16:30 |
| vkozhukalov | ? | 16:30 |
| xarses | correct, and we released 4.1, so it should have been cut out of current. Anyway, we need to start mail list about this | 16:30 |
| meow-nofer_ | evgeniyl`, 1) no 2) no | 16:31 |
| meow-nofer_ | but okay | 16:31 |
| meow-nofer_ | I’ll send a letter | 16:31 |
| vkozhukalov | meow-nofer_: great | 16:31 |
| vkozhukalov | let's move on | 16:31 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/fuel-containerization-of-services | 16:32 |
| aglarendil | this the essential part of fuel-upgrade feature | 16:32 |
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| vkozhukalov | aglarendil: status? | 16:32 |
| mattymo | vkozhukalov, still working on separation of services from core nailgun puppet module | 16:33 |
| aglarendil | @mattymo is leading this feature and current status is that we have several services not contained and puppetized | 16:33 |
| mattymo | but the main gist is we will have every daemonized service in its own docker container (except cobbler + apache which cannot be split) | 16:33 |
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| vkozhukalov | mattymo: aglarendil: ok, good progress | 16:34 |
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| mattymo | I have a handful of reviews to look at | 16:34 |
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| mattymo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82497/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82506/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82542/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83061/ | 16:35 |
| mattymo | I still need to work on separating rabbitmq, mcollective, and rsyslog | 16:36 |
| aglarendil | but we are rather optimistic on this feature implementation in the upcoming month | 16:36 |
| evgeniyl` | aglarendil: ++ | 16:36 |
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| vkozhukalov | ok, what about | 16:36 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/patch-openstack | 16:36 |
| aglarendil | this feature is intersecting with fuel upgrade | 16:37 |
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| aglarendil | currently we have puppet provider implementation completed that does full installation and rollback | 16:37 |
| aglarendil | thus, the only things we need to implement is repository management and tying of all this stuff with nailgun engine | 16:38 |
| evgeniyl` | akasatkin: is working on implenetation of this feature in nailgun | 16:38 |
| aglarendil | thus allowing user to download the update and apply it by simple redeployment | 16:38 |
| akasatkin | yes. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/openstack-patching-nailgun-part | 16:38 |
| aglarendil | we are going to achieve this also by moving closer to upstream puppet manifests of stackforge/puppet-* | 16:39 |
| vkozhukalov | aglarendil: akasatkin: afaiu, it is still on designing stage | 16:39 |
| aglarendil | which part do you mean? | 16:39 |
| vkozhukalov | puppet part | 16:40 |
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| vkozhukalov | or we have kinda POC? | 16:40 |
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| aglarendil | there is not much to do to upgrade from POC to product version | 16:41 |
| akasatkin | vkozhukalov: I started with it yesterday (Nailgun part). AFAIC, I'll finish design tomorrow. | 16:41 |
| vkozhukalov | akasatkin: awsome | 16:41 |
| aglarendil | we have providers implemented, thus there is not much to implement. all the other stuff is on the puppet side | 16:41 |
| aglarendil | *nailgun side | 16:41 |
| aglarendil | sorry | 16:41 |
| vkozhukalov | aglarendil: great | 16:42 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/puppet-3-support | 16:42 |
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| vkozhukalov | it is already implemented | 16:42 |
| vkozhukalov | and merged | 16:42 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/relocate-haproxy-to-its-own-network-namespace | 16:43 |
| aglarendil | this blueprint is essential for HA architecture | 16:43 |
| aglarendil | there was quite an interesting bug that after moving of virtual IP addresses from a controller to another one | 16:43 |
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| aglarendil | there were some connections retained, like VIP -> VIP | 16:44 |
| aglarendil | this blueprint puts haproxy and VIPs into separate networking namespaces | 16:44 |
| aglarendil | and utilizes proxy_arp in order to implement connectivity | 16:44 |
| aglarendil | such architecture makes our HA much more robust and resilient | 16:45 |
| vkozhukalov | afaiu, and it looks like moving haproxy to a separate namespace can help to solve this problem, right? | 16:45 |
| angdraug | yes | 16:45 |
| aglarendil | yep, that what I am talking about | 16:45 |
| vkozhukalov | angdraug: aglarendil: ok | 16:46 |
| xarses | yes it should help alot | 16:46 |
| aglarendil | currently this blueprint is in "Beta Available" stage and is being tested | 16:46 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Bugs | 16:46 |
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| vkozhukalov | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1295131 | 16:46 |
| vkozhukalov | right now we have hard coded kernel parameters which are in pmanager.py | 16:47 |
| vkozhukalov | we have been asked to remove some parameters | 16:47 |
| vkozhukalov | so it seems to be suitable to bring them out of pmanager.py into settings.yaml | 16:48 |
| vkozhukalov | i'll do it | 16:48 |
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| xarses | yes that would be great! | 16:48 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1294222 | 16:48 |
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| vkozhukalov | this bug is connected with the fact that our discovery agent filters out all removable drives | 16:49 |
| vkozhukalov | but some drives which are not removable are marked as removable | 16:49 |
| vkozhukalov | right now we have a list of vendors | 16:50 |
| vkozhukalov | which we don't have to filter out | 16:50 |
| vkozhukalov | but it seems to be much more suitable to stop filtering out removable devices at all | 16:51 |
| xarses | i think that we should move business logic like this into nailgun so that it's easier to update | 16:51 |
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| evgeniyl` | xarses: ++ | 16:51 |
| vkozhukalov | and allow user to decide whether he wants to use them or not | 16:51 |
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| xarses | if we remove the filter, we need to make deselecting disks a priorty | 16:52 |
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| xarses | becase often it hides random usb devices, or the 16gb compact flash card that some systems have | 16:52 |
| xarses | which most people dont want to use, especally in a boot raid | 16:52 |
| vkozhukalov | yes, i agree, this piece is also on me | 16:53 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1297792 | 16:53 |
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| vkozhukalov | it turned out that in some cases creating partitions on mounted drives is not viable | 16:54 |
| vkozhukalov | the idea of umounting come from one of our users | 16:54 |
| vkozhukalov | it is implemented | 16:54 |
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| vkozhukalov | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1291692 | 16:55 |
| vkozhukalov | in 4.1 we had cciss regression | 16:55 |
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| aglarendil | the one related to old HP RAID controllers | 16:55 |
| vkozhukalov | we tried to look for drive links by their cciss!bla-bla names | 16:56 |
| vkozhukalov | aglarendil: exactly | 16:56 |
| xarses | apparently, its used on may blade chassis, so not that old | 16:56 |
| vkozhukalov | it has been fixed and merged | 16:56 |
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| xarses | s/may/many | 16:56 |
| xarses | can we create some data tests to stop regression? | 16:56 |
| xarses | this is the third time it's regressed by release | 16:57 |
| vkozhukalov | xarses: so it is not only for old devices | 16:57 |
| vkozhukalov | xarses: right? | 16:57 |
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| xarses | correct, dhblaz's servers are about 2 years old | 16:57 |
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| xarses | he is first indicator | 16:58 |
| angdraug | vkozhukalov: most people with HP hardware come across this problem | 16:58 |
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| vkozhukalov | xarses: I am thinking of that, but it looks more suitable to implement this test inside ironic-python-agent | 16:58 |
| vkozhukalov | ok, guys | 16:59 |
| vkozhukalov | we have a couple minutes | 16:59 |
| vkozhukalov | Im closing meeting | 16:59 |
| vkozhukalov | thank you all for participating | 16:59 |
| xarses | thanks | 16:59 |
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| meow-nofer_ | thx | 16:59 |
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| vkozhukalov | if you have to discuss something let's move to #fuel #fuel-dev | 17:00 |
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| aglarendil | ерч | 17:00 |
| aglarendil | thx | 17:00 |
| evgeniyl` | thanks | 17:00 |
| vkozhukalov | #stopmeeting Fuel | 17:00 |
| vkozhukalov | #closemeeting Fuel | 17:00 |
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| vkozhukalov | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 27 17:01:38 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-03-27-16.01.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-03-27-16.01.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-03-27-16.01.log.html | 17:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sahara folks ping | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 27 18:08:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:08 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:08 |
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| mattf | hello SergeyLukjanov | 18:08 |
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| crobertsrh | hello | 18:08 |
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| * SergeyLukjanov completely forgot about meeting | 18:08 | |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SavannaAgenda | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ookay | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Project renaming status | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, I think that we could say that renaming successfully completed except several very nit places | 18:10 |
| * SergeyLukjanov going to update wiki page about meetings after the meeting | 18:10 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info enaming successfully completed except several very nit places | 18:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #undo | 18:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info renaming successfully completed except several very nit places | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any more thoughts on it? | 18:11 |
| alazarev | are we going to rename savanna-ci? | 18:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, yup, after rc1 I think to not break dev process | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh, as mattf suggested I think that we should have 0.7.0 release of client w/o backward compat aliaces | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aliases* | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm thinking about tomorrow if everything will work good | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, it's a good time to propose fixes to the client ;) | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's move on | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic RC1 status | 18:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RC1 status (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:13 | |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, as planned we postpone RC1 cut for one week and it'll be next week | 18:13 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we're now waiting for rest of Hadoop 2 changes to be merged for both vanilla and idh | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | + I hope to include doc updates to the RC1 too to avoid a big number of backports | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info RC1 next week, ~ April 3 | 18:14 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any objections? | 18:14 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | is there anyone here? | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:15 |
| elmiko | here :) | 18:15 |
| jspeidel | no objection | 18:15 |
| elmiko | no objection | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | good, cool | 18:15 |
| alazarev | no objections :) | 18:15 |
| ErikB1 | Ok w/ me | 18:15 |
| crobertsrh | no objection | 18:15 |
| jspeidel | how much work do we have left for IDH 2.0? | 18:15 |
| jspeidel | I ask because of this | 18:16 |
| jspeidel | #info http://gigaom.com/2014/03/27/intel-ditches-its-hadoop-distro-and-puts-millions-behind-cloudera/ | 18:16 |
| * SergeyLukjanov fighting cold and just wake up :) | 18:16 | |
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| ErikB1 | just change the I to C | 18:16 |
| * mattf is here now | 18:16 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | jspeidel, it's ready and on review, just waiting for stable passing os savanna-ci | 18:16 |
| mattf | jspeidel, good point | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ErikB1, :) | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's discuss idh integration later, I hope alazarev will share some thoughts / details on it | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | [22:12:08] <SergeyLukjanov> oh, as mattf suggested I think that we should have 0.7.0 release of client w/o backward compat aliaces | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | [22:12:12] <SergeyLukjanov> aliases* | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | [22:12:36] <SergeyLukjanov> I'm thinking about tomorrow if everything will work good | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | matt ^^ | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf* | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, moving on | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Bug / doc days | 18:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug / doc days (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:18 | |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, ack, tomorrow, check | 18:18 |
| alazarev | jspeidel: integration with IDH 2.0 is done, integration tests are on review | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we should have a "testing" day after the RC1 to verify sahara | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and re doc day - we need it | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | really need | 18:19 |
| mattf | alazarev, jspeidel is suggesting no one will care... intel has dropped idh | 18:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, I'm proposing to choose a day early next week to write some docs | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and we need volunteer for tracking docs, ruhe is unavailable | 18:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I'm proposing Monday for doc day | 18:20 |
| ErikB1 | what does that exactly mean? | 18:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | coordinate/collaborate to write docs, team will work on it the whole day | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | like we have bug triage day in the mid cycle | 18:21 |
| * ErikB1 thinks that sounds fine | 18:21 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | it'll help to push missing docs faster | 18:21 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, here is a blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sahara/+spec/update-docs-icehouse | 18:22 |
| crobertsrh | +1 for Monday | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any volunteers to track doc activity and status? | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | update blueprint, assign writers, erc. | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :( | 18:22 |
| elmiko | i will volunteer to help, but i don't have the most experience :/ | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, you'll need to set find volunteers for doc updates and know their status + find missed items | 18:23 |
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| elmiko | that sounds... challenging | 18:24 |
| elmiko | if other's are willing to help though, i don't mind trying to collate everything | 18:24 |
| jspeidel | elmiko, thanks for volunteering | 18:24 |
| elmiko | jspeidel: :) | 18:25 |
| crobertsrh | I'll certainly help update docs wherever I can | 18:25 |
| mattf | i say the next person to join does it | 18:25 |
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| aignatov | elmiko: I'll help you if i have time on Mon | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I really hope that we will write most of the docs at Monday | 18:25 |
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| elmiko | lol | 18:25 |
| mattf | themistymay, winner! | 18:25 |
| themistymay | yeah? | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | themistymay, congratulations! | 18:26 |
| elmiko | just to be clear, based on the blueprint SergeyLukjanov posted i need to make sure we get all those items finished? | 18:26 |
| themistymay | oh god, what did i get myself into | 18:26 |
| mattf | themistymay, by being the first person to join (last), you get the option to drive a docs day on monday | 18:26 |
| aignatov | themistymay: you will coordinate doc updating on monday | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | themistymay, you're the chief doc writer of openstack! | 18:26 |
| * elmiko backs aways slowly | 18:26 | |
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| themistymay | oh man | 18:26 |
| themistymay | that sounds, like a blast | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:27 |
| mattf | sounds like no one is jumping at the chance | 18:27 |
| themistymay | i get my opensouce approvals back and this is what i get | 18:27 |
| themistymay | I'd be happy to help | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yup, and probably add some more items | 18:27 |
| themistymay | but leading may be dangerous | 18:27 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, I'm assigning bp to elmiko | 18:28 |
| elmiko | i'll give it my best :) | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and hope that we all help him on coordination | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and hope all folks will write docs ;) | 18:28 |
| jspeidel | elmiko, I can help with HDP related docs | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it doesn't mean that elmiko will write all docs :) | 18:28 |
| mattf | or even any | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I hope some ;) | 18:29 |
| elmiko | my only concern is my lack of familiarity with sahara | 18:29 |
| alazarev | elmiko: probably I;m the right person for IDH stuff | 18:29 |
| themistymay | same here | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, I'm expecting that component "owners" will cover their components like plugins, etc. | 18:29 |
| elmiko | cool | 18:29 |
| aignatov | actually, do we have any new text to be added to docs? | 18:29 |
| jspeidel | SergeyLukjanov, +1 | 18:29 |
| elmiko | i am logging this, so beware, i will find people on monday! | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we should update all docs in fact | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | especcially dev / installation / user guides | 18:30 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | docs are very important for us - it's our first real OpenStack aligned release | 18:31 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, I'm asking all of you to write/check/update docs | 18:31 |
| themistymay | can do! | 18:31 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any objects for doc day @ Monday? | 18:31 |
| alazarev | no objections :) | 18:32 |
| themistymay | none here | 18:32 |
| crobertsrh | no objections | 18:32 |
| aignatov | native writers are welcome to update mistakes in the docs :) | 18:32 |
| themistymay | aignatov :P | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah, that's a real issue for Russians ;) | 18:33 |
| tmckay | late to the party, sure, I'll sign up | 18:33 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | awesome | 18:33 |
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| tmckay | We missed the meeting last week and I forgot about it :) | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, me too :) | 18:33 |
| tmckay | Short memory | 18:33 |
| crobertsrh | it was cancelled | 18:33 |
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| tmckay | ack, missed == cancelled | 18:33 |
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| * SergeyLukjanov probably we'll unavailable on Tuesday - kitchen furniture and electronics "installation" :) | 18:35 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's move on | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 18:35 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info nope | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:35 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please! | 18:35 |
| aignatov | few of renaming, heat bug fixing were on me | 18:36 |
| aignatov | last week | 18:36 |
| crobertsrh | Mostly just small bugs for me on the dashboard recently. I'm also trying to come up to speed on disk image building. | 18:37 |
| themistymay | I am back to available for now. My new company is reviewing the paperwork for intellectual property still, until they get back to me, I am free to commit to open source. If things change, I will update and drop off again (*sigh*). Docs seem like a good step. | 18:37 |
| mattf | <jspeidel> #info http://gigaom.com/2014/03/27/intel-ditches-its-hadoop-distro-and-puts-millions-behind-cloudera/ <- news, raises question about future of idh plugin | 18:37 |
| jspeidel | mattf, yes | 18:38 |
| jspeidel | is this the correct time to discuss IDH? | 18:38 |
| ErikB1 | Still working on Blueprints. Figuring out when we can integrate with HDP Plugin. | 18:38 |
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| ErikB1 | Also looking at logging and determining what the short comings are on Sahara when *certain* things fail and what is logged. Essentially a usability issue. | 18:39 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | yup, we could try (re <jspeidel> is this the correct time to discuss IDH?) | 18:39 |
| alazarev | IDH integration is done, no sense in canceling it in Icehouse | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, agreed | 18:40 |
| jspeidel | alazarev, agreed | 18:40 |
| jspeidel | I would vote to remove it after Icehouse | 18:40 |
| alazarev | we should consider adding cloudera in J | 18:40 |
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| aignatov | ErikB1: did you think about demo examples? | 18:41 |
| alazarev | and it would be great to have cloudera integration done by cloudera guy | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, re IDH - we should discuss removing of it with Intel folks first | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and then make a decision on summit with the default answer to remove it in Juno release | 18:42 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, ++ | 18:42 |
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| aignatov | what's about integration tests for idh? | 18:42 |
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| jspeidel | aignatov, I wouldn't spend any more time on them | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, we should merge and run them for Icehouse due to the fact we're including plugin into the release | 18:43 |
| jspeidel | aignatov, yes keep whatever we have | 18:43 |
| aignatov | ok | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the funny thing is that we have a good enough coverage :) | 18:44 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | s/funny/sad/ | 18:44 |
| aignatov | I see, I meat that we can make idh job is non-voting | 18:44 |
| dmitryme | aignatov: I think we should keep it voting for Icehouse | 18:45 |
| alazarev | aignatov: why? if we support plugin it should work | 18:45 |
| dmitryme | if we ship it in the release, then lets make sure it is working | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup, if we're including it in I then it should work | 18:45 |
| jspeidel | aignatov, +1 to keep it as voting | 18:45 |
| alazarev | aignatov: unless we remove plugin completely | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, let's keep idh job voting till the Icehouse release and than will see | 18:46 |
| mattf | sounds business as usual w/ a slant to removing idh in J | 18:46 |
| jspeidel | lets just not spend any more time on it then we need to get existing tests stable | 18:46 |
| aignatov | ok, ok, I'm surrendering, it was just an idea :) | 18:46 |
| mattf | but we should get feedback from idh plugin users -- how do we do that? | 18:46 |
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| jspeidel | mattf, you need to find them first | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action alazarev contact intel folks to clarify idh drop off | 18:47 |
| alazarev | probably there will be some migration plan from Intel | 18:47 |
| mattf | in a world where you don't know your users the best you can do is public execute a deprecation plan | 18:47 |
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| alazarev | I don't believe they will just stop IDH support | 18:47 |
| mattf | and doing that takes time, so something for J | 18:48 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yup, release in I and decide on summit for J sounds good for me | 18:48 |
| mattf | we should also discuss HDP1 and Vanilla1 | 18:48 |
| aignatov | mattf: agree | 18:49 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, agreed on "IDH plugin release as part of Icehouse, decide the fate of IDH on summit and probably deprecate / remove in Juno" | 18:49 |
| aignatov | as I see Hadoop 2.X is the trend now, so for me, we don't need to expand features on Hadoop 2.x | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any objections? | 18:49 |
| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: +1 | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, you mean 1.x? | 18:50 |
| aignatov | yes | 18:50 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: +1 | 18:50 |
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| jspeidel | aignatov, that seems to be right | 18:50 |
| tmckay | do we have Hadoop 2 images pre-generated anywhere? | 18:50 |
| tmckay | I was playing with HDP plugin but I used centos with 1.3.2 | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed IDH plugin release as part of Icehouse, decide the fate of IDH on summit and probably deprecate / remove in Juno | 18:51 |
| alazarev | hadoop2 is a trend for customers who build new hadoop clouds | 18:51 |
| mattf | ErikB1, bob_nettleton ^^ | 18:51 |
| aignatov | jspeidel, alazarev: well, it should be discussed on the summit | 18:51 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I'm afraid that there are still too many users of Hadoop 1, so, probably, it's a bit early to drop of 1.x | 18:52 |
| bob_nettleton | tmckay, we have HDP 2.0.6 images generated in sahara-image-elements | 18:52 |
| alazarev | customers who have hadoop clouds already just don't look into sahara's side now | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anyway, it's a good topic for summit | 18:52 |
| jspeidel | SergeyLukjanov, not drop just not spending time to enhance | 18:52 |
| tmckay | bob_nettleton, okay, great | 18:52 |
| bob_nettleton | tkmckay, if you use "diskimage-create.sh -p hdp", the script will generate images for both HDP versions. | 18:52 |
| mattf | now that we have multiple plugins and the tech is moving, we should have a discussion about plugin lifecycle | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jspeidel, sounds reasonable IMO | 18:53 |
| tmckay | bob_nettleton, thank you | 18:53 |
| alazarev | jspeidel: It is strange to add features to hadoop2 and don't support them in 1.x | 18:53 |
| mattf | something prematurely kicked off before hong kong | 18:53 |
| bob_nettleton | tmckay, you're welcome. | 18:53 |
| aignatov | tmckay: IvanBerezovsky told me that he upload vanilla hadoop 2 images to the savanna-files | 18:54 |
| mattf | alazarev, yeah, feature parity / support from plugins... complex. | 18:54 |
| tmckay | aignatov, that's great, too, thanks | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yup, especially while we're growing our base features | 18:54 |
| mattf | 5 min warning | 18:55 |
| tmckay | aignatov, did we make any progress on picking a demo to do? I forgot to look in my training manuals ... | 18:55 |
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| * mattf is very interested in ^^ | 18:55 | |
| mattf | VERY | 18:55 |
| aignatov | tmckay: no, i'm looking for ErikB1's ideas | 18:55 |
| tmckay | mattf, missing the antecedent of ^^ | 18:55 |
| tmckay | which ^^ is that? | 18:56 |
| jspeidel | we have recently seen issue with openstack rate limits when trying to provision cluster > 20 | 18:56 |
| mattf | tmckay, demo | 18:56 |
| jspeidel | is this an issue with Heat integration? | 18:56 |
| tmckay | thought so :) | 18:56 |
| aignatov | jspeidel: did you use heat engine for your cluster? | 18:56 |
| tmckay | mattf, I meant to ping jvyas and see if he has ideas | 18:56 |
| aignatov | actually it's not turned on by default | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:57 |
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| dmitryme | jspiedel: you can tune rate limits, is there any problem with that? | 18:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 3 mins left | 18:57 |
| jspeidel | ^^ bnettleton | 18:57 |
| tosky | bob_nettleton: were you able to generate proper centos-based images? I've seen few issues ( elmiko too ), maybe selinux | 18:57 |
| aignatov | one idea from the books it's a weather analyser job | 18:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jspeidel, anyway, it depends on OpenStack conf and yes, it could fail if rates are very low | 18:58 |
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| bob_nettleton | tosky, I have been able to generate HDP images on Centos. I've been using Ubuntu to generate the images without any problems. | 18:58 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | jspeidel, but in the heat provisioning engine, it should b handled by heat | 18:58 |
| bob_nettleton | SergeyLukjanov, is heat turned on by default in Sahara now? | 18:58 |
| tmckay | aignatov, an accurate weather predictor would be awesome | 18:59 |
| jspeidel | Sergeyukjanov, appears that the limits are very low by default | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 1 min left | 18:59 |
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| tosky | bob_nettleton: so, there is an issue when generating them from Fedora or CentOS (see https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1292614 ) | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | bob_nettleton, nope | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh, good catch | 18:59 |
| tosky | bob_nettleton: and also, the CentOS image that I generated from Ubuntu needed a selinux relabeling | 18:59 |
| aignatov | tmckay: one concern is that canonical example from the book | 18:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | looks like we should postpone enabling heat by default to the time when heat will gate on sahara to avoid random issues | 18:59 |
| aignatov | it's kinda of boring for hadoopers :) | 18:59 |
| tmckay | aignatov, ack | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | like we see last month | 19:00 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, +1 | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 27 19:00:08 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-03-27-18.08.html | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thank you folks | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-03-27-18.08.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-03-27-18.08.log.html | 19:00 |
| mattf | thanks folks | 19:00 |
| elmiko | feel better SergeyLukjanov | 19:00 |
| bob_nettleton | tosky, I'll take a look at the bug, thanks. | 19:00 |
| tosky | bob_nettleton: I'm around on #openstack-sahara | 19:00 |
| themistymay | later everyone | 19:00 |
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| tosky | bob_nettleton: you can ask mattf and elmiko too about this issue if I'm not around | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 19:01 |
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| banix | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 19:01 |
| banix | hi everybody | 19:01 |
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| rms_13 | hello all | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: hi | 19:01 |
| gdarling | hi banix | 19:01 |
| s3wong | Hello | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | give it a min and we can get started | 19:01 |
| nbouthors | Hi | 19:01 |
| thinrichs | Hi | 19:01 |
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| hemanthravi | hi | 19:01 |
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| banix | gdarling: Hi! Welcome to the polic meeting :) | 19:02 |
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| Swami | hi | 19:02 |
| cgoncalves | hi folks | 19:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok lets get started | 19:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 27 19:03:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 19:03 |
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| mandeep | Hi SumitNaiksatam | 19:03 |
| mandeep | Hi Swami, welcome to policy meeting | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are at the OVS hackathon | 19:03 |
| s3wong | I am also, in the other roo, | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Kyle and some others are busy with that | 19:03 |
| Swami | mandeep: hi | 19:03 |
| s3wong | room | 19:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | most folks are here but in different rooms :-) | 19:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy#March_27.2C_2014 | 19:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Action Item Review | 19:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | “Team to flesh out PoC details in doc" | 19:05 |
| mandeep | #link https://docs.google.com/a/noironetworks.com/document/d/14UyvBkptmrxB9FsWEP8PEGv9kLqTQbsmlRxnqeF9Be8/edit# | 19:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: thanks | 19:06 |
| mandeep | Updated, please review and comment in the doc | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep volunteered to add content here | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its been done | 19:06 |
| s3wong | Document is still being edited when I opened it :-) | 19:06 |
| banix | lets have a quick look | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get into the details of that as a separate agenda topic | 19:06 |
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| mandeep | Changes order of (a) and (b) based on review. | 19:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | second action item was “mestery to check if meeting can be moved by an hour" | 19:07 |
| s3wong | mandeep: since roles (admin vs tenant) is being emphasized here, is it customary for Neturon API layer to know what APIs to expose to admin vs tenants? | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont think we have changed the item yet (obviously) | 19:07 |
| s3wong | or it is just a matter of keystone? | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: one sec | 19:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | it does not matter today since there is no follow up ODL meeting | 19:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we will check if can change the time for next week | 19:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #action mestery to check if meeting can be moved by an hour | 19:08 |
| Swami | s3wong: At the API layer today all API's are exposed. | 19:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic PoC Proposal | 19:08 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: I think the current time is OK. The ODL status meeting itself is becoming a smaller event now we break into sub-groups | 19:08 |
| mandeep | s3wong: The use-case is written in terms of roles, the API does not have to be exactly that - it needs to support this use case | 19:09 |
| banix | the documen reads: Show automatic orchestration that can respond to changes in policy or infrastructure without requiring human interaction to translate intent to specific actions (like say with HEAT today) | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ok cool, whatever works for you guys | 19:09 |
| banix | so there are two things in there | 19:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yes go ahead | 19:09 |
| banix | one the exposure ofpolicy to HEAT and the other dealing wih changes in policy | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: ofpolicy? | 19:10 |
| s3wong | of policy | 19:10 |
| banix | bth good but may be we separate them; mainly tomake sure we get to the first one even if we dont get to do the second by PoC | 19:10 |
| prasadv | as long as api are present, heat plugins should be easy | 19:10 |
| banix | s3wong: yes | 19:11 |
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| banix | prasadv: yes and you guys have done some ork along that line | 19:11 |
| s3wong | banix: so your opinion is that you want PoC to be more about Heat and static policy applying | 19:11 |
| Swami | sumit: is there are separate thread for the ofpolicy | 19:11 |
| s3wong | banix: rather than demo-ing the ability to guard the contract in case of change? | 19:11 |
| banix | s3wong: no; I want to call these two things as wo separate things | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: no | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yes they are separate itesm | 19:12 |
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| mandeep | banix: My intent here was more about providing some contrast with HEAT, the HEAT exposure is a separate item. | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: i think the dependency of the Heat work is on the API and resource model being fleshed out | 19:12 |
| banix | for the reason i mentioned: first part easier than the second part ... | 19:12 |
| mandeep | banix: I will add that | 19:12 |
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| s3wong | mandeep banix SumitNaiksatam: with these two items, say we can't do both before J-Summit, which one has higher priority? | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i would also like to reiterate that the value of this group policy model should be apparent regardless of heat | 19:13 |
| s3wong | i.e., which one is more preferred to be shown as a demo | 19:13 |
| banix | mandeep: make sense; thanks | 19:13 |
| s3wong | or PoC | 19:13 |
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| banix | s3wong: obviously the dynamic changes to poicy is more interesting ut more difficult | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: like i said, Heat work can start as soon as the API/resource model is ready on the Neutron side | 19:14 |
| banix | wondering if we may not get there | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | what is being referred to the second part of the PoC here can also proceed in parallel at that point | 19:14 |
| banix | the HEAT exposure seems like a low hanging fruit tat can be ore meaningful to some non networking people | 19:14 |
| prasadv | sumitNaiksatam; I agree that showing policy above and beyond heat would be important | 19:14 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: yes agree | 19:14 |
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| mandeep | banix: I agree | 19:15 |
| nbouthors | Is there a way to show what policy is applied to a group in the demo | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yes, and i think that can proceed in parallel | 19:15 |
| s3wong | So we now aim to demo the ability to change policy and contract being guarded | 19:15 |
| mandeep | nbouthors: I was not sure as to what Horizon support that we will have at this time. Still looking into that | 19:16 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: this dynamic change of policy thing may lead us to conflict resolution decision earlier than we projected | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ok | 19:17 |
| banix | s3wong: sorry i missed your earlie comments on priority; first item should be easy to achieve; the queston is if/when we have the second prt. that's all i was saying | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: the dynamic change of policy is the second part of the PoC | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | out first punch line is that this is a easier model for the App Dev to use | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that is the first thing we will show from the PoC | 19:18 |
| banix | by first item i meant having the HEAT exposure which should be doable if the rest is in place. Right prasadv? | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that is by way of definition of the group policy model | 19:18 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: agree; exactly | 19:18 |
| s3wong | banix: as you said the second part is much more difficult, and therefore we may have to accept that by J-Summit, part 1 is all we can demo | 19:18 |
| prasadv | banix:yes | 19:19 |
| mandeep | s3wong: Let us see how far we can get ;-) | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: yeah | 19:19 |
| banix | s3wong: don't understimate mandeep :) | 19:19 |
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| banix | just kiddig, all of us. | 19:19 |
| mandeep | banix: ;-) | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so other than that do the steps defined look good to all | 19:19 |
| s3wong | banix: the only unknown for part 1 is the ovs agent / mech driver - which I never heard back from mestery :-) | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: why are there any changes needed for that? | 19:20 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: yes looks good but will go through it more carefully and make comments if necessary by tomorrow latest | 19:20 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: rendering of policy | 19:20 |
| mandeep | s3wong: We will use the mech_driver as is. | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yes sure | 19:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: rendering policy here is the mapping of policy constructs to the existing neutron constructs | 19:21 |
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| mandeep | banix: I will be updating the use-case with a little more detail on these steps later today/tomorrow. Please review that as well. | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: we dont anticipate any changes to the ML2 plugin or drivers at this point | 19:22 |
| banix | mandeep: sure will do | 19:22 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: how is 'redirect' done with current Neutron construct? (sorry, I really don't know) | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we might need to make changes to the adv services | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | maybe | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: redirect falls in the realm of the services’ discussion | 19:22 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: redirect to a single service is easier than to a change | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *chain | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: but we might need to some changes to the adv services (my earlier point) | 19:23 |
| banix | Yes starting with a single service makes sense | 19:23 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: also for endpoint in endpoint group, I guess we need to completely resolve the Neutron port -> classifier mapping -> actions set | 19:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i might be missing something that you have noticed | 19:23 |
| mandeep | Service chain is out of scope for this PoC | 19:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok so mandeep put a stake in the ground, i like that :-) | 19:24 |
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| banix | sounds reasonable | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ok you are getting into the model discussion, that is the next point in the agenda | 19:24 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: I am also guessing if we only support 'allow' / 'deny', then we render {classifer, action} to just security group entry? | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: hang on to that question | 19:25 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: sorry, I am just trying to picture how it would work | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: we can talk about that as a part of the model discussion | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we probably need to spend some more time digesting the PoC proposal | 19:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but at a high level i think we have agreement | 19:25 |
| banix | yes | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we will start marching on this | 19:25 |
| prasadv | yes | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | unless we have any major objections | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can evolve the scope as we progress | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i mean not increase the scope :-) | 19:26 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: no problem - let's move forward | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok good | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action team to formally working on the PoC…yay! | 19:26 |
| rms_13 | :) | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Group Policy Model | 19:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so some revisions were made | 19:27 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: is the division of labor the same as before, or we redivide up the work? | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #undo | 19:27 |
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| prasadv | s3wong: I think we need do a little bit of design just like last time | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prasadv: sure | 19:28 |
| prasadv | before we jump to work items | 19:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but i am thinking the broad division of work can proceed along earlier lines | 19:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Group Policy Model | 19:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we have some revisions | 19:30 |
| rms_13 | link please | 19:30 |
| prasadv | sumitnaiksatam: we should list broad work items then at the end | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not sure how many people had a chance to review | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sure | 19:30 |
| mandeep | #link https://docs.google.com/a/noironetworks.com/presentation/d/1Nn1HjghAvk2RTPwvltSrnCUJkidWKWY2ckU7OYAVNpo/edit#slide=id.g1c910cf8b_00 | 19:30 |
| banix | just saw it beore the meeting | 19:30 |
| rms_13 | thx | 19:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: thanks | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: thanks, i havent yet looked at your comments | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is trying to make it consistent with what is being discussed in ODL, etc | 19:31 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: not critical | 19:31 |
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| Swami | I will take a look at it. | 19:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | also, we tried to walk through the current PoC proposal and validate the model against what is required there | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: thanks | 19:31 |
| banix | so we have added the Contract Scope | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yes | 19:31 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: I agreed, this looks much more similar to what we had before | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: “before”? | 19:32 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: what was writeen in the design doc; except of course action changed a lot :-) | 19:32 |
| banix | note page 11 with current Neutron objects | 19:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ok :-) | 19:33 |
| rms_13 | contracts? seriously? | 19:33 |
| rms_13 | Whats wrong with Policy (group of policy rule) | 19:33 |
| s3wong | banix: which is not much :-) | 19:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: yeah seriously :-) | 19:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: it makes you accountable :-) | 19:33 |
| banix | isnt service flavor expected to be associated with policy_rule? | 19:33 |
| banix | rather thatn policy/contract? | 19:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: not sure why it will associated with a rule? | 19:34 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: action is a dict, some it is just {action_type, obj} | 19:34 |
| banix | or an action? | 19:34 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: for 'redirect', now you are restricting user to only put at most one Neutron object to redirect to? | 19:35 |
| banix | can't a contract be associaed with multiple flavors? | 19:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: one sec, let me respond to s3wong first | 19:35 |
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| banix | SumitNaiksatam: sre | 19:35 |
| prasadv | s3wong: redirect goes to another contract | 19:35 |
| banix | sure | 19:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yeah what prasadv said ^^^ | 19:36 |
| s3wong | prasadv: and contract scope doesn't allow you to get a list of objects anyway? | 19:36 |
| prasadv | s3wong: what object? nuetron? | 19:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i think you need to come over to our room :-) | 19:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ok if we address your concern offline? | 19:37 |
| s3wong | prasadv: yes - if a tenant redirect it to a contract scope, what does that relaly mean? | 19:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ^^^ ? | 19:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can get back to banix | 19:38 |
| banix | i see multiple flavors for a contract is there. | 19:38 |
| mandeep | s3wong: policy rule redirects to a contract. The visibility of contracts is limited by scope. | 19:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: to your question, what is currently shown is the relationship from contract to a service “type/flavor” | 19:38 |
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| banix | SumitNaiksatam: yes noticed that. thx | 19:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: i think that is different from a particular instace of a service | 19:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *instance | 19:39 |
| banix | so what does it mean to asociate a contract with a flavor? | 19:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: i believe what you are looking for is the latter? | 19:39 |
| s3wong | mandeep: so it is assumed that the provider of such contract will consume the traffic? | 19:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: so if you want to look up contracts to understand which contract you need to consume so as to be able to get a particular service | 19:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: you need to know what service that contract is offering access to | 19:41 |
| rms_13 | Its a nit, but will it make more sense to call "contract scope" a "contract handle" ? | 19:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: the contract to flavor relationship provides that | 19:41 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: hmmm I see | 19:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: hang on | 19:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: lets not discuss naming conventiong now | 19:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: we have beaten that to death | 19:41 |
| rms_13 | fine | 19:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: i am not saying we have to accept this convention | 19:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: we can have a separate agenda item for that :-) | 19:42 |
| mandeep | rms_13: No, we actually mean a scope that filters to 0 to n entities. A handle (in my view) would be an identity of a specific provider | 19:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for now i would really like to get closure on the model (at least a first iteration) to make progress for the PoC | 19:42 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: OK | 19:42 |
| rms_13 | coo | 19:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is a dependency for the whole project to progress | 19:42 |
| rms_13 | *cool | 19:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: thanks for understanding | 19:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: sorry go ahead | 19:43 |
| prasadv | provided contract scopes, does or will it include keystone user scopes? Probably not right? | 19:43 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: is contract to flavor association one to one or to a list of flavors? | 19:43 |
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| banix | I had misunderstood why flavors wre in the model | 19:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i thought i made it one to many (at least i intended to) | 19:43 |
| banix | it is oneto many | 19:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: just confirmed, its 1 to [0..n] | 19:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yeah | 19:44 |
| banix | i missed it the first i lookedat the doc | 19:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | does that make sense? | 19:44 |
| banix | yes | 19:44 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: yes 1 to . - so in that diagram it means one to many | 19:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sorry, font was small | 19:44 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: thanks | 19:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes, is that okay? | 19:44 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 19:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ok good | 19:45 |
| banix | wrt actions referring to contracs, are we making this mor complicated than it shoud be? | 19:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: ok | 19:45 |
| rms_13 | +1 banix | 19:45 |
| s3wong | banix: I agreed. What is action -> contract? I can't quite picture that (hence the questions above) | 19:46 |
| s3wong | sorry for my ignorance... | 19:46 |
| mandeep | banix: How would you specify a service chain? The contract solves that problem | 19:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: but this it consistent with the rest of the model and the goal for a level of dynamic binding | 19:46 |
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| mandeep | s3wong: redirect action needs to consume a service - and that is defined by contract | 19:47 |
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| banix | mandeep: in the earlie model, we were saying that is defined outside the policy | 19:47 |
| thinrichs | How does a contract allow us to represent a service chain? | 19:47 |
| mandeep | banix: My understanding was that in the advanced services IRC there was an agreement to use contarcts for chains | 19:47 |
| banix | so a contractis essentially a wrapper for the servce chain? | 19:47 |
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| mandeep | thinrichs: Yes | 19:48 |
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| s3wong | mandeep: I see, using contract as a way to eventually get to an endpoint group where the service belongs to | 19:48 |
| mandeep | banix: exactly | 19:48 |
| thinrichs | mandeep: My question was How--not if. Maybe an example? I'm thinking of a contract as a pointer to a collection of policy rules. | 19:49 |
| mandeep | s3wong: Yes, that is the intent | 19:49 |
| s3wong | and use classifer or label to redirect to a particular EPG in case a contract is associated with many EPGs | 19:49 |
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| rms_13 | maybe a naive question but I would still ask :), why cant action be redirect to EPG? Wont we achieve svc-chain like that? | 19:49 |
| s3wong | mandeep: starting to get the intent. Need to think through the use cases to make sure it works well | 19:50 |
| mandeep | thinrichs: In the advanced services, the discussion was to use the "consumes" relationship to identify the providing entity and the constraints on that service (like available ports) | 19:50 |
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| prasadv | rms_13: epg is wrapped with contract and redirecting to a contract means redrecting to epg right? | 19:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | btw, the services’ discussion was the next point in the agenda | 19:50 |
| mandeep | prasadv: Yes | 19:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | can we keep the redirect action aside for a min? | 19:51 |
| banix | mandeep: are you referringto the meeting yesterday? | 19:51 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: go ahead pls | 19:51 |
| mandeep | rms_13: Allows you to restrict say the ports available from that EPG | 19:51 |
| thinrichs | Should I be thinking of the policy we're targeting with an action as a big if-then-else block directing what should be done? | 19:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | at this point is everyone comfortable with the other aspects of the model? | 19:51 |
| mandeep | banix: I think that was the week before that | 19:51 |
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| banix | mandeep: thx will go back and read. | 19:52 |
| rms_13 | mandeep: understood. | 19:52 |
| s3wong | prasadv: not necessary, it is great pictorial representation, but in reality a contract can be reused by other EPGs | 19:52 |
| mandeep | thinrichs: I would not characterize as that. That would not allow for composition | 19:52 |
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| banix | SumitNaiksatam: yes the rst looks good | 19:53 |
| thinrichs | mandeep: if the thens are actions then those actions can target other contracts, and we get composition. ??? | 19:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | my question to everyone (if you keep the redirect action aside) are you comfortable with the other aspects of the model? | 19:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: good | 19:53 |
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| rms_13 | does that mean we have to have contract -> policy rule as 1->M | 19:53 |
| prasadv | s3wong: I guess it means contract+epg | 19:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: that is how it is | 19:54 |
| mandeep | thinrichs: IRC is probably a difficult way to explain that, let me try and write that in the doc and then send a link to you. | 19:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: its acutally *:n | 19:54 |
| rms_13 | it shows *:n | 19:54 |
| rms_13 | k | 19:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah, same policy_rule can be reused | 19:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *reused | 19:55 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: I finally have a grasp of what the model is trying to accomplish, but too early for me to say deifnitively "OK with it" | 19:55 |
| thinrichs | mandeep: that'd help. Maybe an example would suffice--and would likely help others. Maybe just one of the design docs. | 19:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: good | 19:55 |
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| s3wong | Well 4 more minutes :-) | 19:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: thanks for keeping track :-) | 19:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i want to get preliminary validation from the team if we are comfortable with moving forward with this model at least for the PoC | 19:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the redirect action is TBD | 19:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but other than that | 19:57 |
| banix | yes i think the rest is mainly what we have had | 19:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | also the specifics of other actions are TBD | 19:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: there are things which have evolved | 19:58 |
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| mandeep | thinrichs: The basic premise in the contract is that it is white list only. With that we can define multiple subjects (policy rules) in a contract that may be overlapping and the identify all that is allowed. In that context this is not an if then else, but a declartion of intent which could then be realized using if then else or a FOL resolution ... | 19:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: first it was the notion of the contract | 19:58 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: I think it isn't so much about 'redirect' in general, but wrapping our heads around action pointing to another contract | 19:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes, but that manifests only in the redirect action | 19:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: the second change was the “contract scope" | 19:59 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: well, "log" and "copy" also :-) | 19:59 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: but yes, I get your point :-) | 19:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: third, was the addition of the notion of labels | 19:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes thats what i meant :-P | 19:59 |
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| thinrichs | mandeep: That was my understanding of a contract. Which makes the question why we're using that to describe a service chain. | 19:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: fourth: is the clear separation of the policy model, and its mapping to the legacy neutron model | 20:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix, all: are we fine with all of the above in this first iteration (again keeping redirect, log etc actions aside) | 20:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ? | 20:01 |
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| banix | How about spending a couple of days and geting back together early next week? | 20:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yes sure | 20:01 |
| mandeep | thinrichs: In GP model, you can consume a contract only when it is provided by an entity, So the act of consuming a contract for a network service identified a "next hop" and we can use that to identify the chain | 20:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | meanwhile we can get started | 20:01 |
| banix | by email if nothing else | 20:01 |
| prasadv | banix:+1 | 20:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so i will assume that if there any objections, those will be called out | 20:02 |
| banix | sounds good | 20:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | else we will start making progress | 20:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | great thanks guys | 20:02 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: +1 to getting started ... | 20:02 |
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| s3wong | Yes - let's start doing stuff! | 20:02 |
| banix | thanks all | 20:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | unfortunately, we could not get to the services part again! | 20:02 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: it is OK - we can use the service meeting for services | 20:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or rather not continue it | 20:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes sure | 20:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we are over time | 20:03 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: probably better to have this meeting about PoC - more urgent | 20:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any parting comments/issues? | 20:03 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: good job on the model, thanks! | 20:03 |
| s3wong | will think through it | 20:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | great, thanks all! | 20:04 |
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| s3wong | thanks | 20:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 20:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 27 20:04:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-03-27-19.03.html | 20:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-03-27-19.03.txt | 20:04 |
| banix | thank you SumitNaiksatam | 20:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-03-27-19.03.log.html | 20:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | until next time, bye! | 20:04 |
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| Swami | thanks, | 20:05 |
| ajo | project stats for thanks,, 90 days | 20:05 |
| Swami | bye | 20:05 |
| mandeep | bye | 20:05 |
| s3wong | bye | 20:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: thanks for the discussion :-) | 20:05 |
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