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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 12:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 18 12:00:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI Passthrough)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 12:00 |
| baoli | Hi | 12:01 |
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| irenab | hi | 12:10 |
| baoli | Hi irenab | 12:10 |
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| irenab | I didn't realize that the meeting is one hour earlier, sorry | 12:11 |
| baoli | no problem | 12:11 |
| baoli | It seems that no one else is present at the moment | 12:11 |
| irenab | are you sure it shouls be now and not in one hour? | 12:12 |
| baoli | It's utc 1300, right? | 12:12 |
| baoli | sorry, I'm wrong | 12:12 |
| baoli | it's 9:00am our time. | 12:12 |
| irenab | I see 12:12 | 12:12 |
| irenab | its 14:13 afor me | 12:13 |
| baoli | I don't know why I am confused today | 12:13 |
| irenab | so, meeting in 45 minutes? | 12:13 |
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| baoli | Yea | 12:13 |
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| baoli | Hi | 13:01 |
| beagles | o/ | 13:01 |
| heyongli | hello | 13:01 |
| rkukura | hi | 13:01 |
| irenab | hi | 13:02 |
| baoli | I think that we are going to talk about the sr-iov session we are going to have at the summit | 13:02 |
| baoli | I registered a session on neutron | 13:02 |
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| irenab | I would like also to discuss a bit documentation | 13:02 |
| baoli | does anyone know how to register a joint session instead? | 13:02 |
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| baoli | irenab, sure | 13:03 |
| irenab | now or later? | 13:03 |
| beagles | IIRC there wasn't an actual mechanism for registering a joint session in HK. I just talked to the "other" PTL. | 13:03 |
| beagles | but I heard something about a "joint" day so maybe that's changed | 13:04 |
| irenab | beagles: any idea which day? I have flight back at Friday noon | 13:04 |
| baoli | there is cross-project workshop category | 13:04 |
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| beagles | baoli, nice | 13:05 |
| beagles | irenab, no | 13:06 |
| beagles | irenab, I'll see if I can find out during this meeting | 13:06 |
| irenab | beagles: thanks | 13:06 |
| baoli | So I think that I can move the session under that categary, then | 13:07 |
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| beagles | I wonder if pinging the respective PTLs as well is frowned upon.. a casual mention at the very least :) | 13:08 |
| irenab | baoli: I think it can be good idea to prepare and publish the contennt, links to existing patches, etc, in advance | 13:08 |
| heyongli | baoli, i'm change my patch to match the interface you used in your patches as possible , hope it help | 13:08 |
| heyongli | any plan? | 13:08 |
| heyongli | baoli, you can create design topic with cross project type, is it what you look for? | 13:08 |
| baoli | heyongli, folks and PTL suggests joint session | 13:09 |
| baoli | irenab, the meeting wiki has everything in there, but it's probably convoluted | 13:09 |
| irenab | I also wonder if we need another session to discuss nova api for vnic_type request or it will be covered on same cross project session | 13:09 |
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| baoli | irenab, are you talking about vnic-type in the 'nova boot' command? | 13:11 |
| irenab | baoli: yes | 13:11 |
| irenab | it was requested by John that it should be done in some abstract way, some sort of NIC flavors maybe | 13:11 |
| baoli | right | 13:12 |
| beagles | irenab, first day - Tuesday - unconfirmed, but Friday is such a bad idea, I can't imagine.... | 13:12 |
| irenab | beagles: so no need to change flight ickets? | 13:12 |
| baoli | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Passthrough#Recap_of_Discussions. The link recaps what we have discussed so far. Do you guys want to put it in a separate page | 13:13 |
| baoli | We can discuss how we want to cover each of them | 13:14 |
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| baoli | heyongli, I'll take a look at your patch update | 13:14 |
| heyongli | not release, boli, i'm changing it, some commts need addressed | 13:15 |
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| baoli | heyongli, ok | 13:15 |
| heyongli | sorry my network quite unstable now... | 13:16 |
| irenab | I think we need some clear list of use cases that we handle and design/constructs options we suggest (preferably with code samples) | 13:17 |
| baoli | irenab, let me know what's missing in the recap link | 13:17 |
| baoli | irenab, agreed. We have use cases in the meeting wiki as well. Can you guys present some use cases that we haven't thought about? | 13:17 |
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| sadasu | baoli: just one suggestion | 13:18 |
| irenab | We probably need to focus on two types of use cases: driven by admin and driven by tenant users | 13:18 |
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| sadasu | maybe there is no need to bring up the original google doc where there are several authors | 13:19 |
| beagles | +1 irenab | 13:19 |
| heyongli | +1 | 13:19 |
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| baoli | irenab, agreed | 13:19 |
| heyongli | too many details discuss process really block guy want to dive in | 13:20 |
| baoli | sadasu, can you clarify your thoughts | 13:20 |
| irenab | I'll try to sum up use cases following the wiki/google docs we had and send update; so next week meeting we can go over | 13:21 |
| baoli | irenab, cool | 13:21 |
| heyongli | thanks, irenab | 13:22 |
| sadasu | what you have in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Passthrough#Agenda_on_Jan._8th.2C_2014 is a better summarization than the google doc | 13:22 |
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| sadasu | google doc might be confusing for anyone who is trying to come onboard to this... | 13:22 |
| irenab | sadasu: I think we need start from clean | 13:22 |
| beagles | yes... I started on this but kept getting distracted (pulled off) to do other stuff | 13:23 |
| irenab | we may keep references o existing docs but not require any new people to go over all the existing papers | 13:23 |
| beagles | but a focused clean slate would be good... | 13:23 |
| baoli | ok, let's start with a new doc. | 13:24 |
| irenab | If I understand correctly the idea of design summit it to present what use cases we want to handle and how we want to handle it | 13:24 |
| sadasu | ok…and are we starting this off with Irenab's use cases based on admin and tenant views? | 13:25 |
| baoli | irenab, +1 | 13:25 |
| beagles | irenab, I would agree | 13:26 |
| irenab | sadasu: I think its one chapter, the other is neutron apis that we already ahve, nova - neutron interaction, nova- scheduler enhancment for SR-IOV devices,... | 13:26 |
| * beagles thinks of anything he might have that irenab doesn't already just have in her head... | 13:26 | |
| beagles | probably not | 13:26 |
| irenab | beagles: :-) | 13:27 |
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| sadasu | ireanb: sounds good :-) just want to make sure we are covering everything | 13:28 |
| irenab | baoli: can you please provide documentation recap on nova parts that you managed via your patch? I think neutron generic parts are already merged, so need just to describe what neutron expose via api | 13:29 |
| sadasu | is this all going to be one session? | 13:29 |
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| baoli | Irenab, sure. I already had a wiki | 13:30 |
| irenab | sadasu: good question | 13:30 |
| baoli | I can update if anything is missing. The wiki can be accessed following the links in the recap | 13:30 |
| irenab | baoli: great, thanks. Are there any open issues there? | 13:31 |
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| baoli | irenab, have you tried the patch yet? | 13:33 |
| heyongli | in recap chaper , there both group and flavor , i think the flavor is our goal, right? | 13:34 |
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| irenab | I think that we need to decide if there is one or more sessions and if we need nova session in addition to cross-project session, for nova apis | 13:34 |
| irenab | baoli: still waiting for setup.... | 13:34 |
| baoli | irenab, ok | 13:35 |
| heyongli | irenab, if both get approved, that's will be great, | 13:35 |
| irenab | heyongli: the session that you registered supposed to cover nova apis, right? | 13:36 |
| heyongli | yeah, common part | 13:36 |
| baoli | heyongli, now that we can't make it to Icehouse, my understanding is that it's still open for discussion. | 13:36 |
| heyongli | if necessary, even the interaction part can be elimated from this | 13:36 |
| heyongli | baoli, maybe, i recap we agree with flavor, supprize me | 13:37 |
| irenab | so for now there are two sessions, one cross project and one nova, right? | 13:38 |
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| heyongli | irenab, if i could choose as like this | 13:39 |
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| irenab | baoli: heyongli: I am quite lost with all nova group/flavor desicions. Can you please give it some write-up for what is the prefered direction towards Juno? | 13:40 |
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| heyongli | yunhong and me totally prefer flavor as john might prefer, | 13:41 |
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| baoli | irenab, I am not sure about the direction | 13:42 |
| baoli | Once you have a clear list of use cases in terms of admin/user, it would be used as a guideline for the user interfaces/APIs. | 13:43 |
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| baoli | s/would/could | 13:43 |
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| irenab | I'll start with use cases with 'what' part. Then we can proceed with 'how' | 13:45 |
| baoli | +1 | 13:45 |
| heyongli | irenab, thank i will check if my bp's case covered | 13:46 |
| irenab | I just think we need to have prefered way defined before the summit to get people approve/disagree with and not open it for discussion for all alternatives. Otherwise, we will find ourself discussiing it for several months as we did for Icehouse... | 13:47 |
| heyongli | irenab, +2, totally agree | 13:48 |
| irenab | heyongli: we all agree today, its probably the spring spirit | 13:49 |
| irenab | I have small question regarding documentation | 13:49 |
| heyongli | sure | 13:50 |
| irenab | I was assigned with documentation bug for vnic_type in neutron port and not sure that it should be covered | 13:50 |
| irenab | I assume it should be in networking part, covering for port binding details | 13:51 |
| irenab | rkukura: are you here? | 13:52 |
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| rkukura | yes | 13:52 |
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| irenab | are you going to document binding:profile and vif_details? | 13:52 |
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| rkukura | irenab: Good question - still focusing on bug fixes, haven't thought about docs for icehouse yet | 13:53 |
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| rkukura | The API doc should definitely be updated for vif_details, even though its admin-only. | 13:54 |
| irenab | rkukura: I was kindly asked to handle vnic_type documentation. | 13:54 |
| irenab | I am not sure if we are going to add some general SR-IOV chapter, what do you think? | 13:54 |
| rkukura | It should already cover binding:profile. | 13:54 |
| rkukura | I think the API doc section on the portbindings extension should be updated. | 13:55 |
| irenab | I thought to add vnic_type there, thanks | 13:55 |
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| irenab | so for now now additional SR-IOV info is not going to be documented, right? | 13:56 |
| rkukura | It does seem a user and admin docs for SR-IOV is needed too. | 13:56 |
| irenab | ^no | 13:56 |
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| rkukura | I'm not really clear on whether enough is usable in icehouse to try to cover it in the docs. | 13:57 |
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| baoli | Time is up, let me record an action item | 13:58 |
| baoli | #action identify a clear list of use cases in terms of admin/user. And Irenab will start with a doc for the use cases. Let's work on that in this week. Go over it next week. | 13:58 |
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| baoli | Irenab, can you send emails about the use cases so that people can add any that could be missing? | 13:58 |
| irenab | rkukura: agree | 13:58 |
| irenab | baoli: sure | 13:59 |
| irenab | I think I can send initial list on Thu | 13:59 |
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| baoli | irenab, that would be great. | 13:59 |
| baoli | Thanks everyone | 13:59 |
| irenab | thanks | 13:59 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 18 14:00:01 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-03-18-12.00.html | 14:00 |
| heyongli | bye | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-03-18-12.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-03-18-12.00.log.html | 14:00 |
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| kgriffs | #startmeeting marconi | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 18 15:01:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kgriffs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'marconi' | 15:01 |
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| kgriffs | #topic role-call | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "role-call (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:02 | |
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| kgriffs | o/ | 15:02 |
| alcabrera | o/ | 15:02 |
| sriram | o/ | 15:02 |
| alcabrera | race condition | 15:02 |
| flwang | o/ | 15:02 |
| kgriffs | s/role/roll | 15:02 |
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| alcabrera | role: poptart distributor | 15:02 |
| tjanczuk | o/ | 15:02 |
| mpanetta | o/ | 15:02 |
| tjanczuk | Folks, I am new here. | 15:02 |
| kgriffs | tjanczuk: welcome! | 15:03 |
| * kgriffs gives tjanczuk his first pop-tart | 15:03 | |
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| kgriffs | alcabrera: is amit around? | 15:03 |
| gokrokve | \o | 15:03 |
| alcabrera | not at his desk, kgriffs | 15:03 |
| alcabrera | I saw him earlier | 15:03 |
| kgriffs | kk | 15:03 |
| tjanczuk | My name is Tomasz Janczuk, since recently I work for HP. Previously I worked for Microsoft (12 years) and did a startup. You can find me at http://github.com/tjanczuk, http://tomasz.janczuk.org, and @tjanczuk. | 15:04 |
| alcabrera | tjanczuk: welcome! | 15:04 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 15:04 |
| gokrokve | Hi Tomasz! | 15:04 |
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| cpallares | o/ | 15:04 |
| kgriffs | node, eh? | 15:04 |
| tjanczuk | I am spelunking Marconi, and will have a few questions about plans and directions if you don't mind. | 15:04 |
| * kgriffs likes node and their community | 15:04 | |
| tjanczuk | Yes, node ;) | 15:04 |
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| kgriffs | tjanczuk: ok, we should have some time during open discussion | 15:05 |
| tjanczuk | great, thanks | 15:05 |
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| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 15:05 |
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| kgriffs | #topic pecan evaluation | 15:05 |
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| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/pecan-evaluation | 15:05 |
| alcabrera | mmm, pecans | 15:05 |
| alcabrera | they are most delicious | 15:05 |
| kgriffs | so, Balaji stayed up all night to finish this | 15:05 |
| kgriffs | he is sleeping now | 15:05 |
| kgriffs | :) | 15:05 |
| alcabrera | sleeping next to me - with his eyes open! :D | 15:06 |
| sriram | hah. | 15:06 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: d00d, I thought you were in teh bed | 15:06 |
| * kgriffs wonders if balajiiyer is human | 15:06 | |
| balajiiyer | kgriffs: apparently you cant sleep through the morning if you have a toddler at home. 'daddy wake up, brush your teeth' | 15:06 |
| kgriffs | LOOOOL | 15:07 |
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| kgriffs | so, first off, a GREAT BIG THANK YOU to Balaji! | 15:07 |
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| * sriram claps | 15:07 | |
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| kgriffs | #info Balaji kicks a** | 15:07 |
| balajiiyer | You are very welcome folks, couldnt have done without you all | 15:08 |
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| balajiiyer | kgriffs: can you add that link to the bp? | 15:09 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: sure | 15:09 |
| mpanetta | Yay! It was a good read too :) | 15:09 |
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| gokrokve | That is great. Reading this now. | 15:10 |
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| kgriffs | balajiiyer: can you change the bp to "implemented"? | 15:11 |
| balajiiyer | kgriffs: done | 15:11 |
| kgriffs | thanks | 15:12 |
| alcabrera | w00t | 15:12 |
| mpanetta | Sweetness! | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: so, it looks like if performance were equal, the decision matrix would still favor Falcon? | 15:13 |
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| balajiiyer | balajiiyer: I would think so. Development experience is better with Falcon while writing ReST APIs | 15:14 |
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| flwang | kgriffs: w00t | 15:14 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: ok, you may want to call that out since it sounds like you are basing your recommendation mostly on perf | 15:14 |
| sriram | yeah doing the math, Pecan comes out at 387 if performance were equal. | 15:14 |
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| kgriffs | FWIW, I've heard the same thing anecdotally from lots of people who try Falcon. | 15:15 |
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| kgriffs | ok, so as Pecan as a framework continues to improve, I think we should consider re-evaluating for our 2.0 API | 15:17 |
| kgriffs | that is my proposal | 15:17 |
| alcabrera | sounds fair | 15:17 |
| alcabrera | ah | 15:17 |
| alcabrera | on that note | 15:17 |
| alcabrera | question: what can Pecan do to improve? what can Falcon do to improve? | 15:18 |
| alcabrera | what are some solid recommendations for each framework? | 15:18 |
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| kgriffs | balajiiyer: maybe you could make a couple bullet lists? | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | otherwise, anyone object to posting this to the ML? | 15:19 |
| alcabrera | no objections from me | 15:19 |
| kgriffs | would we put it under [marconi] or... ? | 15:19 |
| alcabrera | hmmm | 15:20 |
| alcabrera | it has that flavor | 15:20 |
| alcabrera | since queues were used for benchmakring | 15:20 |
| alcabrera | but also | 15:20 |
| alcabrera | [wsgi] | 15:20 |
| alcabrera | seems very relevant | 15:20 |
| tjanczuk | On the topic of performance, were there some performance measurements done for Marconi under different scale situations (#queues, #requests etc)? I could not find much browsing on the web. | 15:20 |
| ametts | Is there a [pecan] now that it's in stackforge? | 15:20 |
| alcabrera | ametts: there is | 15:21 |
| balajiiyer | kgriffs: I would put it under Marconi, since this evaluation is done for 'Marconi', and I evaluated only the features that were required for Marconi | 15:21 |
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| alcabrera | example: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/029099.html | 15:21 |
| balajiiyer | iow, the evaluation is specific to marconi | 15:22 |
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| amitgandhi | i agree it should be in marconi | 15:23 |
| alcabrera | so as far tagging, it seems [marconi][pecan] might be the most eye-catching | 15:23 |
| alcabrera | and relevant | 15:23 |
| alcabrera | *far -> for | 15:23 |
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| kgriffs | tjanczuk: we have done some, but perhaps not published them as broadly as we should have. I would welcome further work in that area. | 15:23 |
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| kgriffs | #note need to do more performance tests, vary number of queues, requests, etc. and publish them | 15:24 |
| tjanczuk | kgriffs: is there any data you could share? | 15:25 |
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| kgriffs | tjanczuk: it may make sense to make that a Juno bp - feel free to register one | 15:25 |
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| kgriffs | tjanczuk: you can ping balajiiyer and malini in #openstack-marconi after the mtg. I believe they have some tsung tests they can share that includes all the message operations. | 15:26 |
| amitgandhi | at some point it may just make sense to build a complete pecan driver, and a set of benchmark tests for marconi, and have them run periodically. And deployers can then just choose between falcon or pecan themselves. | 15:26 |
| tjanczuk | thanks | 15:27 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: ok, so can you add some bullets for recommendations to the wiki, and then post to the ML? | 15:27 |
| balajiiyer | kgriffs: ok, will do | 15:27 |
| kgriffs | #action balajiiyer to post pecan eval to the ML | 15:27 |
| flwang | amitgandhi: seems a big effort :D | 15:27 |
| amitgandhi | flwang: it is, but also periodically running benchmark tests is also a big effort. i guess its relative between just building a pecan driver or keep on benchmarking | 15:29 |
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| alcabrera | we need to eventually automate our benchmarking system, much like speed.pypy.org (http://speed.pypy.org/) | 15:30 |
| amitgandhi | +1 | 15:30 |
| alcabrera | that's valuable, regardless of whether we choose to support new storage/transport drivers | 15:30 |
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| kgriffs | +1 | 15:30 |
| kgriffs | I think we may even already have a bp to do that | 15:31 |
| kgriffs | we'll triage that once Juno opens | 15:31 |
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| alcabrera | cool | 15:31 |
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| kgriffs | #topic ATL summit | 15:32 |
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| alcabrera | #note consider automating benchmarking infra; very valuable | 15:32 |
| alcabrera | the ATL summit - coming soon! | 15:32 |
| kgriffs | yes | 15:32 |
| sriram | +1 | 15:32 |
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| kgriffs | everyone have their session proposals in? | 15:32 |
| kgriffs | if not, please do that this week | 15:33 |
| kgriffs | :) | 15:33 |
| balajiiyer | I submitted one for 'Notifications', it says it is 'Unreviewed'. Who reviews and approves it? | 15:33 |
| flwang | kgriffs will be the guru :D | 15:33 |
| balajiiyer | o kcool | 15:34 |
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| cpallares | is the hardware hacking still happening? :P | 15:35 |
| kgriffs | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 15:35 |
| kgriffs | technically, you have until April 20 to submit | 15:35 |
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| kgriffs | I'm just trying to encourage everyone to get them in early | 15:36 |
| kgriffs | :D | 15:36 |
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| kgriffs | anything else on this topic people want to bring up? | 15:36 |
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| flwang | kgriffs: i have posted the signed messages idea | 15:36 |
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| kgriffs | flwang: nice, thanks | 15:36 |
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| mpanetta | cpallares: I got my led strips in, let the hardware hacking happen! :P | 15:37 |
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| cpallares | mpanetta: woooh! | 15:37 |
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| mpanetta | I was going to bring them to work today, but decided against it... | 15:37 |
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| kgriffs | so, I think there will be a team meet-and-greet on the evening of the 10th for folks who are in town | 15:38 |
| kgriffs | we should find a time during the week as well to go do dinner together | 15:38 |
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| alcabrera | +1 | 15:39 |
| cpallares | +2 | 15:39 |
| kgriffs | rock on | 15:39 |
| kgriffs | #topic Review updates to the API v1.1 spec: remove metadata, pop semantics, lazy queue create (kgriffs) | 15:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review updates to the API v1.1 spec: remove metadata, pop semantics, lazy queue create (kgriffs) (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:39 | |
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| kgriffs | I think we should wait on this until next week when Flavio can be here | 15:39 |
| kgriffs | is that cool with everyone? | 15:39 |
| flwang | kgriffs: +1 | 15:39 |
| ametts | +1 | 15:40 |
| alcabrera | works for me | 15:40 |
| balajiiyer | +1 | 15:40 |
| sriram | +1 | 15:40 |
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| kgriffs | ok. Some folks had questions regarding the metadata thing, specifically. I think metadata would be fairly easy to implement with topics; we just have a different table for that and only lazy-add records if/when user sets metadata for a given topic | 15:41 |
| kgriffs | but anyway, everyone think on that and please review the current spec | 15:41 |
| kgriffs | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/api-v1.1 | 15:41 |
| kgriffs | it doesn't have metadata endpoints right now, but I am leaning towards adding them back | 15:42 |
| kgriffs | #topic review actions from last time | 15:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review actions from last time (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:42 | |
| kgriffs | Looks like we just had one: flaper87 to add a bug for sqla GC | 15:42 |
| kgriffs | iirc, that is done | 15:43 |
| kgriffs | anything else from last week people want to mention? | 15:43 |
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| balajiiyer | kgriffs: I will continue to follow up with megan_w on customer stories for ATL summit | 15:43 |
| kgriffs | thanks! | 15:43 |
| megan_w | kgriffs: sounds good | 15:44 |
| kgriffs | in other news, I believe we finally squashed the devstack bug causing marconi-server to crash | 15:44 |
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| amitgandhi | w00t! | 15:44 |
| balajiiyer | yay | 15:44 |
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| kgriffs | kudos to mpanetta and malini! | 15:44 |
| alcabrera | thanks to mpanetta for wrapping this daemonic issue up, and malini for carrying it all the way to completion. :) | 15:44 |
| kgriffs | #topic Review Graduation BPs/Bugs | 15:45 |
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| kgriffs | here is my hit list: | 15:45 |
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| kgriffs | 1. merge docs | 15:45 |
| kgriffs | 2. get gate working with mysql backend | 15:45 |
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| * kgriffs wonders if that is it) | 15:45 | |
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| kgriffs | 3. fix pypy issue that is blocking #1 | 15:46 |
| alcabrera | that pypy issue... :( | 15:46 |
| flwang | kgriffs: I think there are 3 docs patches we need to merge and most of them are ready | 15:46 |
| kgriffs | flwang: is that sphinx patch one of them? | 15:47 |
| flwang | kgriffs: yes | 15:47 |
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| flwang | sphinx patch can fix the doc gate failure | 15:47 |
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| kgriffs | ok, but we still have the pypy thing which seems to be unrelated | 15:48 |
| kgriffs | I need a volunteer to help track down the pypy thing | 15:49 |
| flwang | kgriffs: yep, it's a blocker | 15:49 |
| kgriffs | ok, if anyone has time today or tomorrow to assist, please do. Flavio has started looking at it too. | 15:49 |
| flwang | kgriffs: I will keep an eye on that | 15:50 |
| alcabrera | I'm looking as I can. I found a nova thread on the ML | 15:50 |
| alcabrera | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/029508.html | 15:50 |
| alcabrera | that relates to this pypy issue | 15:50 |
| kgriffs | flwang, alcabrera: thanks for your help! | 15:50 |
| alcabrera | it's known, thankfully | 15:50 |
| alcabrera | :) | 15:50 |
| adrian_otto | paste.openstack.org/show/73701/ | 15:51 |
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| adrian_otto | that might help with your pypy concern | 15:52 |
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| kgriffs | adrian_otto: thanks! | 15:52 |
| adrian_otto | trouble is new setuptools don't install properly through pip | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera: can you try submitting a patch with that? | 15:52 |
| alcabrera | thanks, adrian_otto. I just saw this in the launchpad bug | 15:52 |
| adrian_otto | causing the sudden breakage | 15:52 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: will do | 15:52 |
| alcabrera | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1290562 | 15:53 |
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| alcabrera | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/73701/ | 15:53 |
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| kgriffs | ok folks, don't forget out graduation review is this afternoon during the TC meeting. | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | #topic open discussion | 15:53 |
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| tjanczuk | I was curious what the plan is rearding AMQP, STOMP, and MQTT, if any? | 15:54 |
| flwang | kgriffs: any outlook for the graduation? :) | 15:54 |
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| kgriffs | flwang: I am going through the latest requirements now, and will post our status in #openstack-marconi soon, but I think we are looking pretty good. | 15:56 |
| flwang | kgriffs: cool | 15:57 |
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| tjanczuk | kgriffs: any chance we can talk for a few minutes at #openstack-marconi right after this meeting? | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | tjanczuk: we are looking at AMQP for Juno. It will mean allowing a driver to only support a subset of the API, and we may need to add some stuff to v1.1 or v2.0 to help with mapping the semantics. | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | tjanczuk: sure, the team is very active in our IRC channel, so feel free | 15:58 |
| kgriffs | tjanczuk: wrt STOMP and MQTT, I don't think those have been discussed yet | 15:58 |
| kgriffs | ok everyone, thanks!!!! | 15:59 |
| alcabrera | o/ | 15:59 |
| * kgriffs hands out pop-tarts | 15:59 | |
| alcabrera | I'll gather minutes. | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | thanks man | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 18 15:59:41 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-03-18-15.01.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-03-18-15.01.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-03-18-15.01.log.html | 15:59 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 18 16:00:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2014-03-18_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:01 | |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:01 |
| paulmo | Paul Montgomery | 16:01 |
| datsun180b | Ed Cranford | 16:01 |
| tomblank | tom blankenship | 16:01 |
| julienvey | Julien Vey | 16:01 |
| gokrokve_ | Georgy Okrokvertskhov | 16:01 |
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| stannie | Pierre Padrixe | 16:01 |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 16:01 |
| noorul | Noorul Islam K M | 16:02 |
| coolsvap | Swapnil | 16:02 |
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| muralia | murali | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | Hi everyone. | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | got all the green beer out of our systems yet? | 16:03 |
| devkulkarni | :D | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, we can begin! | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | last night I proposed a set of adjustments to the Solum core reviewer team | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/030250.html | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | so that should wrap up today, and I will adjust the settings in Gerrit and LP | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | Any thoughts on the core reviewer subject? | 16:06 |
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| devkulkarni | is now 24 hour core team? | 16:07 |
| devkulkarni | :) | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | yes, in fact | 16:07 |
| datsun180b | i've got not problem with it | 16:07 |
| rajdeep | +1 on the changes | 16:07 |
| datsun180b | or no problem | 16:07 |
| tomblank | +1 | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | one issue we were seeing is that patches landed by contributors outside of the US timezones needed to wait a long time for patches to merge | 16:07 |
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| noorul | I agree and I think this will help | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | so this new team will help address that | 16:08 |
| devkulkarni | +1 | 16:08 |
| aratim | +1 on the new core reviewers | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | it's pretty well balanced I think in terms of geography and affiliations | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | we are rather close to M1 | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | Roshan was kind enough to draft a vision statement for the M1 exit criteria | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/Milestone1 | 16:09 |
| devkulkarni | The steps need to be revisited. | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | so during open discussion today we can critique that, and see if any tweaks are appropriate | 16:10 |
| devkulkarni | ok. | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: noted | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | adrian_otto to draft mission statement and solicit input form interested contributors (gokrokve, devkulkarni) | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | I did make a rough draft at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/solum-mission | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | but I would like to get input on that, and suggested alternatives | 16:11 |
| devkulkarni | I haven't had a chance to think about it | 16:11 |
| noorul | Ops usually deploys binary artifact | 16:11 |
| noorul | User = application developer building app, or ops engineer deploying/monitoring the app | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | noorul: yes, let's circle back to that in a moment after blueprint updates | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | adrian_otto to locate Nova blueprints/reviews on libvirt driver support for Docker | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | I did not find this. I admit I did not look very hard either | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | so I will carry this forward without closing the item | 16:12 |
| gokrokve_ | If I am not mistaken. Docker plugin was removed from Nova repo. | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to locate Nova blueprints/reviews on libvirt driver support for Docker | 16:12 |
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| devkulkarni | Is libvirt driver support for Docker going to land in Icehouse? | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | gokrokve_: yes, it was. I think that happened last week. | 16:13 |
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| julienvey | gokrokve_: Yes, it's in Stackforge now | 16:13 |
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| devkulkarni | gokrokve_: that is different, if I understand it correctly | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | julienvey: can you supply a link? | 16:13 |
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| julienvey | https://github.com/stackforge/nova-docker | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://github.com/stackforge/nova-docker | 16:13 |
| gokrokve_ | Was Devstack support also removed? | 16:13 |
| devkulkarni | Docker plugin has been removed, but integration via libvirt was another path (at least thats what I thought in our last meeting) | 16:13 |
| julienvey | devkulkarni: +1 | 16:14 |
| devkulkarni | gokrokve_: what do you mean? (most likely, yes) | 16:14 |
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| gokrokve_ | When devstack installs nova most probably it will not install docker. | 16:14 |
| devkulkarni | yeah, that is what I assume will happen | 16:15 |
| gokrokve_ | Why do we need libvirt docker support? We plan to use Heat fro VM creation, Heat will use nova for that. | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | gokrokve_: we want instances that launch very fast | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | so we like the idea of having Nova be able to produce instances based on container technology | 16:16 |
| devkulkarni | But Nova with libvirt driver that has Docker support will provide us fast launches as mentioned above | 16:16 |
| noorul | https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg19119.html | 16:16 |
| coolsvap | docker has been removed from devstack as well | 16:17 |
| rajdeep | or we could explore using plain lxc for the time being | 16:17 |
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| devkulkarni | thanks coolsvap for confirming | 16:17 |
| stannie | +1 rajdeep | 16:17 |
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| stannie | and we've a lxc driver already available in libvirt | 16:17 |
| rajdeep | not sure what additional benefit docker provides over lxc for solum use case | 16:17 |
| gokrokve_ | I am not sure how it will work with Heat. | 16:17 |
| rajdeep | unless you want to use docker images | 16:18 |
| noorul | But how are we going to use heroku app in this case? | 16:18 |
| devkulkarni | -1 to plain lxc (we don't have build scripts/steps for those) | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | rajdeep: good question. It's container images. That's the difference | 16:18 |
| gokrokve_ | I like containers if they are abstracted on Heat level. | 16:18 |
| noorul | docker provides lang pack alternative | 16:18 |
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| rajdeep | perhaps we should have container abstract layer | 16:18 |
| rajdeep | like cloud foundry | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | lxc gives you a way to start a process, but does not give you a way to do incremental releases of code to sart those processes | 16:18 |
| rajdeep | they are not tied to a container implementation | 16:18 |
| devkulkarni | +1 to noorul's points | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | rajdeep: we already have an abstraction through Heat+Nova | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | and there is a place to plug in multiple hypervisor tech (or containers) behind that | 16:19 |
| rajdeep | my concern is tight coupling between docker and solum | 16:20 |
| rajdeep | might not be a great idea in the long run | 16:20 |
| noorul | rajdeep: that tight coupling is for m1 I suppose | 16:20 |
| gokrokve_ | rajdeep: Agree. | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | it's really not coupling with Docker so much as coupling with an image format for containers | 16:20 |
| aratim | Can we use the Docker plugin for Heat ? #link https://github.com/dotcloud/openstack-heat-docker | 16:20 |
| gokrokve_ | Solum should state clearly that there will be other options via plugins | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | and until we have a multitude of choices for that, I don't see the harm in selecting one as the default format | 16:21 |
| aratim | It does not use Nova though. | 16:21 |
| devkulkarni | aratim: that by passes Nova right? | 16:21 |
| aratim | yes thats right | 16:21 |
| noorul | gokrokve_: We can also use image builder | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | aratim: that's a possibility too, but we prefer not to do that | 16:21 |
| noorul | gokrokve_: But then for m1 it requires more work | 16:22 |
| gokrokve_ | noorul: Yes. But it should not be a custom fix in Solum. | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | using a Docker plugin for Heat would be a nice last resort if we can't put something under nova | 16:22 |
| gokrokve_ | noorul: Agree. For M1 it will be an overkill. | 16:22 |
| julienvey | http://blog.docker.io/2014/03/docker-will-be-in-openstack-icehouse/ | 16:22 |
| aratim | yeah bypassing Nova would not be a great approach | 16:22 |
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| gokrokve_ | I think this is up to docker how to work with openstack. As soon as they keep Heat resource consistent we should not care how it works under the hood. | 16:23 |
| gokrokve_ | Still it can be an obstacle on Solum incubation. | 16:24 |
| rajdeep | lxc is integrated into nova | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | We will discuss this at the Solum Summit | 16:24 |
| rajdeep | http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/config-reference/content/lxc.html | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SolumRaleighCommunityWorkshop | 16:24 |
| devkulkarni | why do you say that? if it comes in Icehouse I don't see that to be an issue | 16:24 |
| devkulkarni | sorry, after Icehouse | 16:24 |
| devkulkarni | I guess we need a path forward in the interim. My preference order is 1) disk-image-builder 2) Docker Heat plugin 3) LXC | 16:26 |
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| devkulkarni | We are already using approach 1 (using paulczar's build_app scripts). | 16:27 |
| gokrokve_ | I saw some parts of disck-image-builder implemented. Can we use it for M1? | 16:27 |
| devkulkarni | gokrokve_: yes, we are doing that. we use Docker to build the app but then inject it in the VM image | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | gokrokve_: we can, provided the Vm images we use are small enough | 16:27 |
| devkulkarni | and upload VM image to glance, which is then spun up by Heat | 16:28 |
| gokrokve_ | Cool. | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HypervisorSupportMatrix | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | that shows the gaps in LXC features (snapshot is a very telling row) | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so let's advance through our agenda a bit | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Blueprints: https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/milestone-1 | 16:29 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/api Solum API (aotto) | 16:29 |
| devkulkarni | +1 to snapshots requirement | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | all API functionality needed for M1 has been merged, or is in review. | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | anything I missed? | 16:30 |
| devkulkarni | yes.. | 16:30 |
| devkulkarni | we need julienvey's lp API code to be merged | 16:30 |
| devkulkarni | don't know whether that has been merged yet or not | 16:30 |
| julienvey | not yet | 16:30 |
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| devkulkarni | ok, lets try to get that in soon. we need it. | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | ok, link the review permalinks here, and I will prioritize reviewing that code | 16:31 |
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| julienvey | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/solum+branch:master+topic:new-crud-lp,n,z | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, thanks | 16:31 |
| devkulkarni | paulczar: you missed lots of interesting discussion ;) | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | julienvey: be ready for a number of iterations of feedback | 16:32 |
| julienvey | I'm ready :) | 16:32 |
| paulczar | sorry, had a cantidate call I had to take | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | paulczar: check the transcripts when we adjourn | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-minimal-cli Command Line Interface for Solum (devdatta-kulkarni) | 16:32 |
| devkulkarni | muralia is working on adding 'status' field and adding lp commands | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | we had a pypy breakdown that jammed up all of Ci for the python-solumclient | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | I merged a fix yesterday that solved that | 16:33 |
| noorul | devkulkarni: lp commmands for m1? | 16:33 |
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| devkulkarni | the 'status' is for 'assembly create' (since it will be async now — thanks to datsun's work) | 16:33 |
| devkulkarni | noorul: need to update the bp/etherpad/wiki for this | 16:34 |
| muralia | im working on that noorul. To register and get a list of lp's | 16:34 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: thanks for fixing that | 16:34 |
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| datsun180b | i feel like i owe an explanation for the rpc services | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | on the subject of STATUS attributes | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | I suggest that all status values be in UPPERCASE | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | and that we use the values consistently among multiple resources | 16:35 |
| devkulkarni | fine by me. | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | so that we don't just make them up arbitrarily | 16:35 |
| muralia | +1. | 16:35 |
| aratim | +1 | 16:35 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: may be you can give the update/explanation when we come to the last bp update for today | 16:35 |
| datsun180b | right, i'll wait my turn | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I look forward to the status field feature finishing up, I recognize that as a really important one. | 16:36 |
| devkulkarni | that is all adrian_otto on the CLI bp for updates | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-git-pull Pull integration of Solum from an external Git repo (kraman) | 16:36 |
| devkulkarni | about this — the main thing has been generation of trigger_url and where do we store trigger_id | 16:37 |
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| adrian_otto | this was a subject of discussion in #solum yesterday | 16:37 |
| devkulkarni | julienvey, aratim, adrian_otto, and myself discussed this yesterday | 16:37 |
| devkulkarni | and we have agreed to a solution where we will define a new table <plan_id, hook_id, assembly_id> | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: did you get a chance to reflect on this further? | 16:37 |
| devkulkarni | aratim is working on this | 16:37 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: not yet. need to check if asalkeld reply to the comments on aratim's patch | 16:38 |
| devkulkarni | *replied | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | aratim: is there a review posted for this WIP yet? | 16:38 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: lot of good options came up in yesterday's discussion though | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | if so, let's reference that here | 16:38 |
| devkulkarni | that is all as far as updates go | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/specify-lang-pack Specify the language pack to be used for app deploy (devdatta-kulkarni) | 16:39 |
| devkulkarni | this we kind of covered. | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | ok, next... | 16:40 |
| devkulkarni | julienvey and muralia are tackling the remaining lp actions | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/logging Logging Architecture (paulmo) | 16:40 |
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| devkulkarni | paulmo: I feel this done, right? | 16:40 |
| paulmo | The trace/logging code was merged. Just needs to be used throughout the code. | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | should we be marking this BP as completed? | 16:40 |
| paulmo | Sure, we can make a new one for other features. | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | because there is scope in the BP, such as structured logging... | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | I'm not clear on what we completed, and what's still planned | 16:41 |
| paulmo | Sure, we have structured logging ability now. | 16:41 |
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| adrian_otto | excellent, and what about documentation for using that? | 16:41 |
| paulmo | We identify confidential (operator-only) data, we can structure log output like JSON, etc... | 16:42 |
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| paulmo | Blueprint, the tests run on the code provide good examples, and I had an example file as part of the original pull request for folks to look at. | 16:42 |
| paulmo | (and I'm happy tohelp anyone that wants to learn more) | 16:42 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks paulmo | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/deploy-workflow Workflow outlining deployment of a DU (asalkeld/devdatta-kulkarni) | 16:43 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b you chance now :) | 16:44 |
| devkulkarni | *your | 16:44 |
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| datsun180b | where to start | 16:44 |
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| devkulkarni | high-level should be fine — what RPC services have you added, how asalkeld is using them, etc. | 16:44 |
| datsun180b | in order to desync the build and deploy process i've build three rpc services in a sort of notification setup | 16:45 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 16:45 |
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| datsun180b | so there's deployer, conductor, and worker. worker is builder-api's man-about-town, freeing up the latter to respond immediately to its requests | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | is the conductor a dispatcher? | 16:46 |
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| datsun180b | conductor's name parallels its cousin in trove, it's to facilitate status updates | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | the name conductor is unfortunate, as OpenStack ahs a number of things called that, all which do different things | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | supervisor? | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | anyway, jsut htink on that for later | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | continue | 16:47 |
| datsun180b | we're not married to the names until the service_enable lines get into infra | 16:47 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: after datsun180b is done do you want to give a follow up on the trollius issue, how it relates to datsun180b's work, what is the py33 issue, py33 gating email from yesterday, etc.? | 16:47 |
| datsun180b | well i don't know what more to explain right now. the basic rundown is each of the services has their ear to their own topic, populated by another service that we'd prefer not to block until these processes are complete | 16:48 |
| devkulkarni | +1 to datsun180b — we can change the names | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | relevant thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/030230.html | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/030230.html | 16:48 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: cool. that is great information. | 16:48 |
| datsun180b | and as the services can respond before a task is complete, necessarily we'll need to convey the intermediate states, hence murali's recent status work | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: are you up-to-date on the content of that ML thread? | 16:49 |
| noorul | datsun180b: Can the patch be split into three? | 16:49 |
| datsun180b | noorul: i'm willing to negotiate, a lot of it's repeated in triplicate | 16:50 |
| datsun180b | adrian_otto: let's say 80% | 16:50 |
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| datsun180b | now at present if i'm read up these services are using eventlet and that won't fly with 3.3, which is the cue for the trollius work, right adrian_otto? | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: yes. | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | and the new code in oslo.messaging is not considered "great" | 16:52 |
| datsun180b | okay, so then i'm at 100% | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | even by Victor Stinner (author) | 16:52 |
| datsun180b | so how to move forward from here? | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | I am happy using a subprocess listening to a topic for now. | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | but I'm open to criticism if there is a better clear answer that works equally well for py26 and py33 | 16:53 |
| datsun180b | oh that's another thing, i don't intend to pour cement around thes agents. in the future i'd like for them possibly to manage their own pools | 16:53 |
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| datsun180b | at present i suppose scaling would just be a matter of spawning extra services, and that's probably not the best long-term solution | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: that might be a suitable job for nodepool | 16:53 |
| paulczar | datsun180b: it's easy enough to operationalize running multiple instances of a binary … so I'm not sure we really need to solve that in solum itself | 16:54 |
| datsun180b | with conductor (facilitating db updates) it should be easier to move these agents away from the host box | 16:54 |
| paulczar | especially if this is a shorter term solution and we'll circle back to threading when the py3.3 stuff settles with oslo | 16:54 |
| datsun180b | so i think i've covered the basics, anything else i can explain? | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | time for open discussion I think | 16:55 |
| devkulkarni | noorul had issues with turning off py33 gates (making non-voting). have we resolved that? | 16:55 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:55 |
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| devkulkarni | noorul ^^ | 16:55 |
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| noorul | devkulkarni: it has been made non-voting | 16:56 |
| devkulkarni | ok, great ! | 16:56 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: the steps for M1 — they don't seem to align with what we have been working towards | 16:56 |
| devkulkarni | Step 1: Register plan | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | from earlier noorul mentioned in the context of https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/Milestone1 "Ops usually deploys binary artifact | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | User = application developer building app, or ops engineer deploying/monitoring the app" | 16:57 |
| devkulkarni | After this user can either do git push or call assembly create | 16:57 |
| devkulkarni | oh yeah, lets discuss that first | 16:57 |
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| adrian_otto | we might not have enough time to do it justice today | 16:57 |
| devkulkarni | ok. are we having meeting next week? | 16:58 |
| paulczar | we'll be meeting in person next week! | 16:58 |
| julienvey | adrian_otto: can we share an etherpad on this ? | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | good point | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | julienvey: please make one and link here | 16:58 |
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| julienvey | yes | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | paulczar: we should cancel the team meeting though | 16:59 |
| julienvey | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/solum-milestone1 | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | I will be on my flight | 16:59 |
| paulczar | true! | 16:59 |
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| devkulkarni | what are the timings of the summit? | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | any objections to cancel of 3/24 meeting? | 17:00 |
| devkulkarni | no | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | Summit is all day Tue-Wed | 17:00 |
| tomblank | no... | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #agreed no meeting on 2014-03-24 | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | willmeet at Sulum Summit | 17:00 |
| julienvey | 25 actually | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| paulczar | thx! | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 18 17:00:48 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-03-18-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-03-18-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-03-18-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| ativelkov | #startmeeting murano | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 18 17:01:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ativelkov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
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| ativelkov | Hi folks | 17:02 |
| tsufiev_ | hi! | 17:02 |
| sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:02 |
| ruhe | hi | 17:02 |
| dteselkin | Hi! | 17:02 |
| katyafervent2 | Hi | 17:02 |
| ativelkov | Anybody here for Murano meeting? Identify youself please | 17:02 |
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| ativelkov | Cool. Let's start then | 17:02 |
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| ativelkov | Agenda is here: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 17:02 |
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| ativelkov | First item is AI review, however we don't have any AI's from the last time ) | 17:03 |
| ruhe | i have to take my words back about me not being able to attend the meeting :) | 17:03 |
| ativelkov | ruhe, good ) Then you can present your idea on your own | 17:04 |
| ativelkov | so, let's get started | 17:04 |
| ativelkov | #topic Getting rid of murano-common | 17:04 |
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| ativelkov | Ruhe, please lead this | 17:05 |
| ruhe | i've outlined all the pros and cons in the https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 17:05 |
| ruhe | does anyone have something to add that list? | 17:05 |
| ruhe | *to that list | 17:05 |
| ativelkov | The idea is to have voting on this | 17:06 |
| ativelkov | So, if somebody wants to calify something or ask questions - it's just about time to do it | 17:06 |
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| sergmelikyan | I don't think that we need specific LP project for murano-common | 17:06 |
| tsufiev_ | wasn't there 3rd option: don't touch murano-common before 0.5 release :)? | 17:07 |
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| sergmelikyan | We can merge tracking issues with main repository (like it is done now) | 17:07 |
| ativelkov | If these two repos have different version numbers, then we should manage the release independently | 17:07 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: well, if you have a project, then you need to track it's releases, track bugs and plan them for a release | 17:07 |
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| sergmelikyan | And actually we don't care much about dependency not listed in g-requirement in nearest feature (1-2 month) | 17:08 |
| sergmelikyan | *future | 17:08 |
| ruhe | tsufiev_: what you're speaking about is close to option #1 | 17:08 |
| tsufiev_ | i agree that having a separate LP project for murano-common is too much for murano-common | 17:08 |
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| sergmelikyan | "there are just 20 commits in a 9 months history of this project" - so nor maintaining overhead that listed in 1 approach, since there is not so much code | 17:09 |
| ruhe | the reason for both options is to avoid dependency hosted on tarballs.o.o | 17:09 |
| tsufiev_ | so, +1 for 2nd option (given that murano-common codebase remains roughly the same size) | 17:09 |
| tsufiev_ | i mean, copy-paste code | 17:10 |
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| sergmelikyan | +1 for first option - since we actually do nothing more that we did'nt before. | 17:10 |
| katyafervent2 | as for me we should show Murano-v0.5 as ready for incubation project - and with reduced amount of repos. If we have a chance to do it now, why do not to try? | 17:10 |
| sergmelikyan | katyafervent2, why we SHOULD show that? | 17:11 |
| katyafervent2 | because we will present it on summit, so even we will not show everyone will see that | 17:11 |
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| sergmelikyan | katyafervent2, I am not sure how everyone should see that | 17:12 |
| katyafervent2 | so +1 for the second one | 17:12 |
| ativelkov | stanlagun (who is absent today) had a valid concern: what happens if we need some more shared code in future? | 17:12 |
| sergmelikyan | But lets just vote , and don't spent precious time | 17:12 |
| ativelkov | #startvote Which option to choose for murano-common? 1, 2 | 17:12 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Which option to choose for murano-common? Valid vote options are 1, 2. | 17:12 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 17:12 |
| sergmelikyan | #vote 1 | 17:13 |
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| ativelkov | #vote 2 | 17:13 |
| katyafervent2 | #vote 2 | 17:13 |
| ruhe | option 1 - keep it, option 2 - get rid of it by copy-paste | 17:13 |
| ruhe | #vote 2 | 17:13 |
| ativelkov | tsufiev_, dteselkin? | 17:14 |
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| tsufiev_ | #vote 2 | 17:14 |
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| dteselkin | #vote 2 | 17:15 |
| ativelkov | Anybody else? | 17:15 |
| gokrokve_ | #vote 2 | 17:16 |
| ativelkov | #endvote | 17:16 |
| openstack | Voted on "Which option to choose for murano-common?" Results are | 17:16 |
| openstack | 1 (1): sergmelikyan | 17:16 |
| openstack | 2 (6): tsufiev_, ruhe, ativelkov, katyafervent2, dteselkin, gokrokve_ | 17:16 |
| ativelkov | gokrokve_: last moment vote, thanks ) | 17:16 |
| ativelkov | #agreed to copy murano-common code to modules which use it (murano-api and murano-agent) and drop murano-common repository | 17:16 |
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| ativelkov | So, it seems like other agenda items remained unchanged from the previous week | 17:18 |
| ativelkov | ApplicationCatalog API and UI for the Application Catalog | 17:18 |
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| ativelkov | I don't see much changes in these topics since last week, so I don't feel we need to discuss them again | 17:19 |
| ativelkov | Does anybody have anything more important to discuss? | 17:19 |
| gokrokve_ | UI | 17:19 |
| gokrokve_ | What is a final decision on action list> | 17:20 |
| gokrokve_ | What is a final decision on action list? | 17:20 |
| gokrokve_ | Can API generate this tree like structure from class definitions? | 17:20 |
| gokrokve_ | Do we want to do this? | 17:20 |
| tsufiev_ | gokrokve_: it seems, there won't be nested actions in 0.5 | 17:20 |
| tsufiev_ | also, i think actions should move from Environment level to Application level | 17:21 |
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| ativelkov | Yes, I think the API will be able to retrieve the actions for a given application instance | 17:21 |
| ativelkov | not for any nested entities | 17:21 |
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| ruhe | gokrokve_: speaking about UI. maybe we should publish screenshots of our fancy drop-off forms in ML in hope that we'll get comments from UX experts? | 17:22 |
| tsufiev_ | ruhe: i'd suggest first show our last AppCatalog design to our UX guy ) | 17:23 |
| gokrokve_ | ruhe: As soon as we agreed on implementation side, yes. | 17:23 |
| ruhe | good | 17:23 |
| gokrokve_ | ok. So we move action list to application. | 17:24 |
| gokrokve_ | And show only highest level classes. | 17:24 |
| tsufiev_ | yes | 17:24 |
| ativelkov | yes | 17:24 |
| tsufiev_ | that way it will be much simpler | 17:24 |
| gokrokve_ | sure | 17:25 |
| gokrokve_ | but I think about nested resources like LB | 17:25 |
| ativelkov | gokrokve_: we will support this | 17:25 |
| gokrokve_ | which can expose important events | 17:25 |
| ativelkov | But later | 17:25 |
| gokrokve_ | ok | 17:25 |
| ativelkov | because we will need a common way for navigating through the environment | 17:26 |
| ativelkov | think of zoom-in/zoom-out | 17:26 |
| ativelkov | And this will requires nested storage etc | 17:26 |
| gokrokve_ | I did not get it. | 17:26 |
| tsufiev_ | ativelkov: i doubt that zoom+/zoom- is realistic until 'next-gen UI' | 17:27 |
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| gokrokve_ | So do we expect to see a new API method for actions or it will be a part of app info? | 17:27 |
| ativelkov | Well, displaying nested resources is needed not only for action list | 17:27 |
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| ativelkov | There will be an API method | 17:27 |
| ativelkov | It is yet to be decided how it will work | 17:27 |
| gokrokve_ | can we mock up it for now? | 17:28 |
| gokrokve_ | to add required changes to client and UI | 17:28 |
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| gokrokve_ | so add a new API method which returns some static data for now. | 17:28 |
| gokrokve_ | We need to know data fromat and call methods to continue our work in other components. | 17:29 |
| ativelkov | Ok, we will add it | 17:30 |
| katyafervent2 | ttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/muranorepository-api | 17:30 |
| katyafervent2 | you can share your thoughts here | 17:30 |
| katyafervent2 | also we need to prepare package samples | 17:31 |
| ativelkov | I've started working on that | 17:32 |
| tsufiev_ | tomorrow I hope to finish with 1st version of ui definition for ActiveDirectory app | 17:33 |
| tsufiev_ | so we'll have almost all resources for the first package | 17:34 |
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| ativelkov | Good | 17:35 |
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| tsufiev_ | ativelkov: i've mastered yaql to do my biddings :) | 17:35 |
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| ativelkov | tsufiev_: cool! | 17:36 |
| ativelkov | BTW, yaql 0.2.2 is published on PyPI | 17:36 |
| ruhe | ativelkov: is this the version we're going to use in murano 0.5? | 17:37 |
| ativelkov | yes | 17:37 |
| ativelkov | porting DSL to use yaql 0.3 should be part of the goals for Murano 0.6 | 17:38 |
| ruhe | yes, there are some parts of Murano DSL which should be probably ported back to yaql | 17:38 |
| ativelkov | ruhe: what do you mean? | 17:39 |
| ruhe | there are some helper classes around yaql in Murano DSL which might be a part of yaql library | 17:40 |
| ativelkov | You mean, part of standard yaql functions? | 17:40 |
| ruhe | right | 17:40 |
| ativelkov | Probably, yet I would keep yaql itself lightwight | 17:41 |
| ativelkov | probably we may have something like yaql-contrib | 17:41 |
| ativelkov | to support various extensions | 17:41 |
| ativelkov | But this is discussbale | 17:41 |
| ativelkov | Any other questions or topics to dicsuss? | 17:42 |
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| ativelkov | Then let's wrap up | 17:43 |
| ativelkov | #endmeeting | 17:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 18 17:44:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-03-18-17.01.html | 17:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-03-18-17.01.txt | 17:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-03-18-17.01.log.html | 17:44 |
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| SpamapS | o/ | 19:01 |
| SpamapS | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 18 19:01:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SpamapS. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| greghaynes | hi hi | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:01 |
| slagle | hello | 19:01 |
| bnemec | o/ | 19:01 |
| rpodolyaka1 | o/ | 19:01 |
| lsmola | hello | 19:01 |
| SpamapS | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO | 19:02 |
| tchaypo | Morning | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | #topic bugs | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:02 | |
| pblaho | o/ | 19:02 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:03 |
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| SpamapS | still swimming in red | 19:03 |
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| devananda | o/ | 19:04 |
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| SpamapS | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1270646 | 19:04 |
| SpamapS | no assignee | 19:04 |
| SpamapS | "PMTUd / DF broken in GRE tunnel configuration" | 19:04 |
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| SpamapS | Does anyone have time or want to dive into that? | 19:05 |
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| SpamapS | dprince: am I to believe that you don't actually see this problem on the RH CI region? | 19:05 |
| slagle | i see it on baremetal all the time | 19:05 |
| dprince | SpamapS: Not yet. | 19:05 |
| slagle | i've been asking neutron folk to look at it | 19:05 |
| dprince | SpamapS: I'm hitting a problem much earlier than that. | 19:06 |
| GheRivero | I can dig in it | 19:06 |
| slagle | so far the only response has been that, yes, you must lower mtu to at least 1458 in the vm | 19:06 |
| SpamapS | ahh.. can't tell if the fuel injectors are broken if the starter is busted right? ;) | 19:06 |
| SpamapS | slagle: ugh | 19:06 |
| slagle | in fact, comment 13 says to do that | 19:07 |
| SpamapS | Right, but no actual solution. | 19:07 |
| slagle | i don't think that's a "workaround", i think it's the requirement | 19:07 |
| SpamapS | just a workaround | 19:07 |
| slagle | why? | 19:07 |
| slagle | you have to account for the gre overhead | 19:07 |
| slagle | (that's what i'm being told anyway) | 19:07 |
| SpamapS | slagle: IIRC, the problem is that something is setting DF | 19:07 |
| slagle | openstack install guide says to do the same thing | 19:07 |
| slagle | http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content/openvswitch_plugin.html | 19:09 |
| slagle | actually says to use 1400 | 19:09 |
| SpamapS | well that may just be the common workaround. :-P | 19:09 |
| slagle | maybe | 19:09 |
| GheRivero | the root cause is that most of public routers, block the ICMP messages with the PMTU | 19:09 |
| tchaypo | My reading was that we're not seeing the icmp messages to tell us something was fragmented | 19:09 |
| slagle | we need someone in neutron to care about this :) | 19:09 |
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| SpamapS | indeed, ok, so we need somebody to care.. | 19:10 |
| tchaypo | And the neutron team's response was that you can't rely on those because of what GheRivero said | 19:10 |
| GheRivero | no neutron/host do not realize about the limitations | 19:10 |
| SpamapS | GheRivero: so you'll assign yourself and spend a little time making sure it should still be a critical and/or getting MTU set lower on vms? | 19:10 |
| GheRivero | SpamapS: sure | 19:10 |
| SpamapS | GheRivero: my hero. :) | 19:10 |
| SpamapS | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1271344 | 19:11 |
| SpamapS | "neutron-dhcp-agent doesn't hand out leases for recently used addresses" | 19:11 |
| SpamapS | I haven't run into this in a while | 19:11 |
| SpamapS | Seems to me like it is really blocked on Neutron and we can't do much to mitigate | 19:13 |
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| SpamapS | so I'll leave it at that | 19:13 |
| SpamapS | no derekh so I'll skip bug 1272803 | 19:14 |
| SpamapS | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1272969 | 19:14 |
| SpamapS | "dhcp-all-interfaces interactions breaks bridged configurations" | 19:14 |
| SpamapS | dprince: ^^ ? | 19:14 |
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| dprince | SpamapS: That is the one you put a -2 on sir | 19:15 |
| dprince | SpamapS: for good reason :) | 19:15 |
| SpamapS | dprince: indeed, I rechecked it this morning.. | 19:15 |
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| dprince | SpamapS: My fix works on Fedora, I fixed the seed on Ubuntu, but still seem to get Undercloud/Overcloud failures w/ Ubuntu. | 19:15 |
| SpamapS | dprince: anyway, if it is still just wending its way through our twisty review process.. we can move on. | 19:16 |
| dprince | SpamapS: yes, I think so. Also, I proposed a session for the dev summit around core networking stuff | 19:16 |
| SpamapS | dprince: cool, I want to also tie into that the discussion about how to make sure when we reboot we configure os-collect-config properly as well... they are related | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1285269 seems to be a duplicate of 1289582, marking as such | 19:17 |
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| SpamapS | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1287453 is the heat domain users thing.. we're making incremental progress on that I think. | 19:18 |
| SpamapS | slagle: concurr? | 19:18 |
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| SpamapS | anyway, more bugs.. | 19:20 |
| SpamapS | no assignee for https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1290486 .. it probably could use a new pair of eyes to try and verify it. | 19:21 |
| slagle | SpamapS: yes, i believe the patch just needs another core review | 19:21 |
| SpamapS | also https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1290490 looks like it may need to be verified.. may have been transient problems | 19:22 |
| SpamapS | 4 more.. | 19:22 |
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| SpamapS | slagle: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1291011 ... you're assigned.. isn't that a dupe? | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | log is lost so we'll never know.. :-P | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | slagle: I think we need to close that as Invalid .. I seem to recall that one breaking CI for a day and then getting fixed upstream. | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | greghaynes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1291060 .. I pinged you earlier.. you'll pick this back up yes? | 19:24 |
| greghaynes | yep, hopefully this afternoon | 19:24 |
| tchaypo | I'm happy to start looking at +1290486 (dhcp agent not serving) | 19:24 |
| tchaypo | It should be a good learning exercise | 19:24 |
| slagle | SpamapS: not sure it's a dupe, but i'll close it, since we're not seeing it anymore | 19:25 |
| SpamapS | this one is ongoing and causes headaches a lot ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1292141 | 19:25 |
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| SpamapS | I think derekh is looking into it.. but he's not here to claim the bug so I'll leave it alone for now | 19:25 |
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| SpamapS | and https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1293782 has an assignee.. StevenK seems to be on it | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | two untriaged bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | please attack those :) | 19:26 |
| jang1 | ^^ (fwiw on the 1292141, I'm using checkspelling on and haven't hit this since) | 19:26 |
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| SpamapS | jang1: interesting | 19:27 |
| jang1 | the case semi-sensitivity is "an interesting choice" :-/ | 19:27 |
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| SpamapS | jang1: I didn't look closely in the comments, but if you haven't added your findings there it would be most helpful. | 19:28 |
| tchaypo | I'm not sure how checkspelling works; is it possible that it's implicitly trying to get the file a second time and succeeding that time? | 19:28 |
| SpamapS | any other bugs people wnat to discuss? The other bits seem to be under control and have a healthy bug collection relative to their size and complexity. | 19:28 |
| SpamapS | tchaypo: thats what I wonder too. :-P | 19:29 |
| jang1 | checkspelling generates a redirect if the original file isn't there and a nearby one is. | 19:29 |
| SpamapS | ah that sounds .. diabolical. :-P | 19:30 |
| tchaypo | Although the errors seem to specifically be on pypi.openstack.org - I'm guessing you must have your own mirror, maybe that's inherently more stable? | 19:30 |
| tchaypo | Do your logs show spelling doing it's thing and issuing redirects? | 19:30 |
| jang1 | yup. | 19:31 |
| tchaypo | Actually we should probably take this offline and let the meeting continue | 19:31 |
| jang1 | also to the having a local mirror. There was truly no alternative. | 19:31 |
| SpamapS | Aye | 19:31 |
| jang1 | (agreed) | 19:31 |
| SpamapS | #topic reviews | 19:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:31 | |
| SpamapS | http://www.stackalytics.com/report/reviews/tripleo-group/open | 19:31 |
| SpamapS | #link http://www.stackalytics.com/report/reviews/tripleo-group/open | 19:34 |
| SpamapS | #link http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/tripleo-group/30 | 19:34 |
| SpamapS | #link http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/tripleo-group/90 | 19:34 |
| SpamapS | there we go | 19:34 |
| SpamapS | so russelb's stats are I think down | 19:34 |
| SpamapS | or were last week anyway | 19:34 |
| * SpamapS updates wiki | 19:34 | |
| russellb | up again now | 19:34 |
| bnemec | \o/ | 19:34 |
| SpamapS | russellb: the only thing that stays the same is everything changes :-P | 19:35 |
| * slagle wonders what "Emails" is in the stackalytics tables | 19:36 | |
| SpamapS | # http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:36 |
| dprince | russellb: a real statsman you are | 19:36 |
| slagle | whatever it is, i'm aiming to keep my 0 of them | 19:36 |
| SpamapS | slagle: hopefully something that is sorted ascending.. as in.. the winner is the person who sends 0 :) | 19:36 |
| SpamapS | anyway, we are not doing as bad as we were | 19:36 |
| SpamapS | but there are 89 reviews waiting on reviewers | 19:37 |
| SpamapS | note that there are a bunch of reviews in t-i-e that are for glance changes that seem to have been sort of abandoned by the submitters | 19:37 |
| SpamapS | I think we can probably run through and mark them all WIP since they are mostly dependent on OUTDATED patches | 19:38 |
| SpamapS | That should be part of our normal weeding process. | 19:38 |
| GheRivero | +1 to mark them WIP | 19:39 |
| SpamapS | anyway, on a related note.. CI _should_ be working, but please always wait for recent check passes before +A | 19:39 |
| SpamapS | and check in #tripleo if you are seeing spurious failures. | 19:40 |
| SpamapS | anybody else have more on reviews? | 19:40 |
| SpamapS | #topic Projects needing releases | 19:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Projects needing releases (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:40 | |
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| rpodolyaka1 | not a problem, I can take this | 19:40 |
| SpamapS | woot | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | rpodolyaka1: my release tag pushing hero :) | 19:41 |
| rpodolyaka1 | :) | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | #topic CD cloud status | 19:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CD cloud status (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:41 | |
| SpamapS | :( | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | Basically Heat is so broken we can't keep the stack alive. | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | so I've given up | 19:41 |
| tchaypo | in what manner is it broken? | 19:41 |
| tchaypo | just generally all over? | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | This is, to me, a critical bug.. but a strong argument has been made that so is the lack of graceful failure notifications.. and the latter unblocks people working on HA | 19:42 |
| SpamapS | tchaypo: no, specifically, if a stack-update fails, the stack must be deleted | 19:42 |
| SpamapS | tchaypo: which means servers turned off, data deleted, generally "not a good thing for a running cloud" | 19:42 |
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| tchaypo | excitement | 19:43 |
| SpamapS | so basically, our CD cloud is dead until we can recover from a failed stack-update | 19:43 |
| SpamapS | Or until Heat promises 0% failure rate for all OpenStack apis. | 19:43 |
| SpamapS | #topic CI | 19:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:43 | |
| SpamapS | CI is working.. or was when the meeting started. | 19:44 |
| SpamapS | We were broken by Neutron for about 24 hours or so | 19:44 |
| tchaypo | a 0% failure rate sounds difficult to achieve. is there anything we can do to make the rebuild easier? | 19:44 |
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| SpamapS | tchaypo: it is impossible to achieve. That was snark. :) | 19:44 |
| tchaypo | say, some way of making the server do pxe-boot on next startup and be treated as though it's a new blank machine ready for emborgening? | 19:44 |
| SpamapS | tchaypo: the retry problem is a fundamental flaw in the way Heat handles updates. It requires rewriting stack-update. | 19:45 |
| greghaynes | do all our CI's now pass or is precise still broke? | 19:45 |
| SpamapS | greghaynes: precise is the only CI we have | 19:45 |
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| SpamapS | all 3 jobs are passing | 19:45 |
| SpamapS | or at least, should be | 19:45 |
| greghaynes | er, pricise undercloud I think is the one that was broke forever | 19:45 |
| greghaynes | \O/ | 19:46 |
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| lifeless | btw topic for extra discussion - splitting the meeting into two diferent tz riendly times | 19:46 |
| SpamapS | yeah I think we'll have to do an alternating TZ meeting | 19:47 |
| SpamapS | 5am is not really doable | 19:47 |
| SpamapS | ok anyway, CI .. working.. growing.. caring.. sharing.. it's all good until it is broken by neutron/nova/keystone again.. ;) | 19:47 |
| SpamapS | #topic alt TZ meeting times | 19:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "alt TZ meeting times (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:48 | |
| SpamapS | I think we should probably start this on the mailing list, since those who might benefit most from the discussion are likely not here or are very tired right now | 19:48 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: concurr? | 19:48 |
| lifeless | yes | 19:49 |
| SpamapS | anybody want to take that action? | 19:50 |
| slagle | sorry, trying to keep Emails=0 | 19:50 |
| slagle | jk, i'll do it :) | 19:50 |
| SpamapS | nice | 19:51 |
| SpamapS | #action slagle to email list about alternating time zone friendly meetings | 19:51 |
| SpamapS | #topic open discussion | 19:51 |
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| tchaypo | I've been keeping notes about things I had to do to get myself set up at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-newdev-notes | 19:53 |
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| SpamapS | tchaypo: ^5 .. great idea | 19:53 |
| tchaypo | Hopefully we can point future newbies at it and it will help get them across all the things faster | 19:53 |
| pblaho | tchaypo: +1 | 19:53 |
| SpamapS | yes.. another good thing to do with that knowledge is to write docs for the tools | 19:54 |
| SpamapS | It can be hard and extra-boring to write docs for tools that you create yourself and organically grow over many months.. | 19:54 |
| SpamapS | but as a newbie, you'll know what is and isn't obvious. | 19:54 |
| tchaypo | I've also been rummaging through unassigned bugs and looking for things I can replicate and work on, which is working okay as a way to get me introduced to bits of the stack | 19:54 |
| tchaypo | but if anyone has something they want an extra pair of hands/eyes on, especially if it's something that would benefit from more working during APAC daylight, feel free to ping me :) | 19:55 |
| SpamapS | tchaypo: I will have some Heat templates that will need mass testing and refactoring soon. :) | 19:56 |
| SpamapS | but not quite yet | 19:56 |
| SpamapS | I'd like to give everyone back 3 minutes of their lives. Anyone objet to early endmeeting? | 19:56 |
| tchaypo | none from me | 19:56 |
| * SpamapS evokes the black knight | 19:57 | |
| SpamapS | SO BE IT | 19:57 |
| SpamapS | #endmeeting | 19:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:57 | |
| SpamapS | thanks everyone | 19:57 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 18 19:57:28 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-03-18-19.01.html | 19:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-03-18-19.01.txt | 19:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-03-18-19.01.log.html | 19:57 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | thanks, gnight all! | 19:58 |
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