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| amuller | Swami: Heya | 15:00 |
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| Swami | amuller: hi | 15:00 |
| Swami | carl: hi | 15:00 |
| Swami | mike: hi | 15:00 |
| Swami | vivek: hi | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: hi | 15:00 |
| Swami | ping sylvain | 15:00 |
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| Swami | ping jamie | 15:01 |
| Swami | hi all | 15:01 |
| mrsmith | hi swami | 15:01 |
| Vivek-Narasimhan | hi all | 15:01 |
| Swami | #startmeeting distributed-virtual-router | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 19 15:01:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: distributed-virtual-router)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 15:01 |
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| xuhanp | hi | 15:01 |
| Swami | xuhanp: hi | 15:01 |
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| Swami | #topic agenda | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: distributed-virtual-router)" | 15:02 | |
| Swami | Agent design doc status | 15:02 |
| Swami | L3 Namespace | 15:02 |
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| Swami | L2 Pop FDB timeout | 15:02 |
| Swami | admin_state_up | 15:02 |
| Swami | DVR+HA | 15:02 |
| Swami | Distributed DHCP | 15:03 |
| Swami | Is there any other topic that you would like to discuss today as part of the DVR | 15:03 |
| Vivek-Narasimhan | the arbitrary port for router | 15:03 |
| Vivek-Narasimhan | if that's not communicated already | 15:03 |
| Swami | vivek: thanks for bringing it up | 15:04 |
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| Swami | We would be also discussing about the support of attaching an arbitrary port to an existing router with a subnet with the DVR context. | 15:05 |
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| Swami | #topic Agent Design doc status | 15:05 |
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| Swami | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1depasJSnGZPOnRLxEC_PYsVLcGVFXZLqP52RFTe21BE/edit | 15:06 |
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| Swami | L2 agent design doc | 15:06 |
| Swami | ajo: hi | 15:06 |
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| ajo | hi Swami :) | 15:06 |
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| Swami | Hi folks the l2 agent design doc is out there for the community review, if you have any questions or concerns please feel free to let us know. | 15:07 |
| Swami | If your comments or not addressed please let me know and I will make sure that those are addressed. | 15:08 |
| Swami | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jCmraZGirmXq5V1MtRqhjdZCbUfiwBhRkUjDXGt5QUQ/edit | 15:08 |
| Swami | L3 agent design doc | 15:08 |
| Swami | This week we posted the L3 agent design doc for review. | 15:08 |
| Swami | Both these docs were created based on the community feedback from the face to face meeting. | 15:09 |
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| Swami | Please review those documents and provide me your feedback. | 15:09 |
| Swami | Is sylvain in here | 15:10 |
| Swami | I don't see sylvain today in the IRC. | 15:10 |
| Swami | #topic L2 Pop | 15:10 |
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| Swami | We found out that L2 Pop entries times out. | 15:11 |
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| Vivek-Narasimhan | Swami a clarification | 15:11 |
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| Vivek-Narasimhan | we just found out that they don't timeout today | 15:11 |
| Swami | vivek: sure | 15:11 |
| Vivek-Narasimhan | there is a mix of timing out and non-timing out entries though | 15:11 |
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| Vivek-Narasimhan | jumbled by tunnel-bridge learning and L2-POP both working on Table 20 - UCAST_TO_TUN | 15:11 |
| Swami | vivek: can you explain the mix of timeout and not-timeout | 15:12 |
| Vivek-Narasimhan | basically, tunnel bridge learning entries also show up in Table 20 even though L2-Pop is enabled | 15:12 |
| Vivek-Narasimhan | so there are two entries for the same destination mac in table 20, one learnt by tunnel-bridge and other pushed by L2-POP | 15:12 |
| Vivek-Narasimhan | those entries pushed in by tunnel-bridge learning logic has hard_timeout of 300 secs of expiry (ie., in 5 minutes they expire) | 15:13 |
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| Vivek-Narasimhan | those entries (same dest mac) pushed by L2-POP donot expire | 15:13 |
| Swami | are you proposing to disable one of the learning or trying to understand if there is a way to disable one of the learning | 15:13 |
| Vivek-Narasimhan | i thought that having both learning and l2-pop is redundant as they | 15:13 |
| Vivek-Narasimhan | occupy tunnel-bridge finite flow space | 15:13 |
| Swami | carl: do you have any insight on this | 15:13 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: Not yet. | 15:14 |
| Swami | vivek: May be sylvain would be able to answer your question. Unfortunately he is not here. | 15:14 |
| ajo | It sounds like redundant to me, | 15:15 |
| ajo | there's something not to be populated via L2-POP that could be discovered by learning? | 15:15 |
| Swami | I have sent an email to sylvain, if not he will be attending the L3-subteam meeting tomorrow and I will try to bring this topic. | 15:15 |
| Vivek-Narasimhan | yes | 15:15 |
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| Swami | ajo: Is we need to identify it this is the expected behavior or a bug. If it is a bug we need to log a bug on the launchpad or discuss with Sylvain. | 15:16 |
| Vivek-Narasimhan | (or) atelast shut off tunnel bridge learning and have L2-POP totally deal with entries in Table 20 | 15:16 |
| ajo | aha | 15:16 |
| Vivek-Narasimhan | having double entries for same MAC seems to be redundant | 15:16 |
| Murali_ | But here different VLAN with same Mac address in the ovs-rules | 15:16 |
| ajo | Vivek-Narasimhan, the double mac entries, are for vrouters, right? | 15:16 |
| Vivek-Narasimhan | No murali | 15:16 |
| Vivek-Narasimhan | the different VLAN thing we wil investigate further | 15:17 |
| ajo | which it's what's populated via L2-POP | 15:17 |
| ajo | or do we populate something else? | 15:17 |
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| Swami | Vivek: Good point, thanks for bringing this up. I will log it and discuss it with sylvain. | 15:18 |
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| Swami | #topic admin_state_up | 15:18 |
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| Swami | In the current openstack neutron implementation the "admin_state_up" flag does not do anything usefull to get the state of the object. | 15:19 |
| mrsmith | or control the state | 15:20 |
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| Swami | For example if the "router" admin_state_up is down, the router is still active and serviced by the scheduler. | 15:20 |
| ajo | Swami, the problem is that it works for some objects, but it doesn't for other? | 15:20 |
| rajeev | That is a defect | 15:20 |
| Swami | ajo: May be right. | 15:20 |
| ajo | ye,s the vrouter should not be created in such case. | 15:20 |
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| ajo | afaik | 15:21 |
| rajeev | Yes that is how it was in Grizzly | 15:21 |
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| ajo | I think the setting name is confusing itself | 15:21 |
| Swami | In the "neutron-team-meeting" this monday there was a question about getting rid of "admin_state_up" and use the "status". | 15:21 |
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| ajo | "admin_state_up", talks about "status", not a setting... | 15:21 |
| VivekNarasimhan | just back | 15:21 |
| ajo | "admin_disabled" would be something more appropriate IMHO | 15:22 |
| xuhanp | so how to set the status without admin_state_up anymore? | 15:22 |
| ajo | I think those should be two different things | 15:22 |
| ajo | status = current status, is it having any problem . Read only from the admin perspective | 15:22 |
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| Swami | If this is a bug then we need to file a bug on this. If there is already a bug on this, we need to see if we can take the bug and fix it. | 15:23 |
| ajo | admin_disabled (current admin_state_up ... bad name) = read/write , to let the admin disable a resource. | 15:23 |
| xuhanp | ajo, ok. that makes sense. as long as there is a way to do that. | 15:23 |
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| Swami | The reason I brought up this topic is because if this is not fixed, then there is not good way of re-scheduling the routers to a different agent, unless you manually associate a router to a specific agent. | 15:24 |
| ajo | a name change affects the API specification: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/APIv2-specification | 15:24 |
| mrsmith | open bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1215387 | 15:24 |
| mrsmith | from bug: We can not stop router forwarding packets by admin_state_up false. Master branch has this problem (stable/grizzly branch don't have the problem). I know the cause. When run router-update --admin_state_up false, transitions as follows: | 15:24 |
| ajo | Swami, I don't see the connection between admin_state_up and rescheduling | 15:25 |
| ajo | could you elaborate the problem? | 15:25 |
| Swami | mrsmith: thanks for the link | 15:25 |
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| mrsmith | swami: np | 15:25 |
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| Murali_ | at agent side if the admin_state_up is false we dont allow port updates for that router | 15:26 |
| Swami | ajo: Yes from our DVR design we were planning to use the "admin_state_up" to disable or disassociate a router from the current agent and then re-associate to a new agent, when an update occurs ( this is for migration when people wanted to migrate from centralized router to distributed router) | 15:26 |
| ajo | Swami, I believe that if admin_state_up is set to False by admin, we may obey that setting, and not schedule the router anywhere | 15:27 |
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| ajo | the flag (AFAIK, I could be wrong, I had to read the description several times) means that the router want's this router disabled (for some administrative or security reason) | 15:28 |
| Murali_ | we can false existing router also | 15:28 |
| Swami | As a team we need to identify if "admin_state_up" can be fixed an used in the way it is designed or else we need to come up with "admin_state_enabled" or "admin_state_distabled" true/false. | 15:28 |
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| ajo | Swami, I think you may use some other flag for that | 15:29 |
| amuller | Swami: Do you have to set the router as 'down' in order to migrate it? | 15:29 |
| ajo | but admin_state_enabled or admin_state_disabled doesn't look very descriptive, | 15:29 |
| ajo | Swami, a normal l3-agent-router-remove | 15:30 |
| Swami | amuller: We need to hand over the control of the router to a different agent, when we migrate. | 15:30 |
| Murali_ | swami for migration admin_state_up may not the right option | 15:30 |
| ajo | would'nt do? | 15:30 |
| ajo | I mean, you remove it from the agent, and then it knows it needs to reschedule somewhere else? | 15:30 |
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| ajo | hmm, but I suppose, you need to mark the agent to avoid it for being rescheduled to the same agent again | 15:30 |
| ajo | , is that your problem? | 15:30 |
| Swami | ajo: Yes l3-agent-router-remove will remove the router, but when a router is an operational state, can we move to a different agent. | 15:31 |
| Swami | That is the reason that we wanted to disable the state of the router to inactive and then move the router. | 15:32 |
| ajo | Swami, wouldn't be enough to start the scheduling logic once you remove it from an agent? | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: We've been able to migrate a router with admin_state_up=True if that is what you mean. | 15:32 |
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| Swami | carl: Thanks that helps. But will there be a network glitch when it happens. | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | Yes. | 15:33 |
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| Swami | ok, thanks for the inputs. | 15:34 |
| Swami | #topic namespace | 15:34 |
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| Swami | The next topic is about the router namespace and when to delete the namespace. | 15:34 |
| Swami | In the DVR, we will be starting the IR ( internal router) namespace on all the compute nodes. | 15:35 |
| Swami | But what would be the right approach to clean up the namespaces. | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: "all compute nodes" means all compute nodes with a VM on the same network, right? | 15:36 |
| Swami | carl: yes all compute node means with a VM on the compute node and VM being part of a network that is connected to an active router. | 15:37 |
| ajo | Swami, I suppose namespaces need to be cleaned up, when there are no resources in the compute node making use of such namespace | 15:38 |
| ajo | clean up the iptable rules inside the namespace, kill the processes, remove the ports, kill the namespace | 15:38 |
| Swami | Today we are able to create a namespace only if there is a VM in the network, otherwise that compute will not have an active namespace. | 15:38 |
| ajo | that makes sense | 15:38 |
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| amuller | Swami: I have to say, this would be a lot more productive if you guys published your code as WIP | 15:39 |
| amuller | Swami: The rest of us would know what problems you guys are facing and try to help | 15:39 |
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| Swami | amuller: Thanks for reminding us, we will be publishing the WIP code soon. | 15:39 |
| amuller | We're discussing details right now but we don't have the code, it's very difficult | 15:39 |
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| ajo | Swami, | 15:40 |
| ajo | what do you think about the cleaning up the namespace when no VMs on the host are attached to such namespace router, + a timeout | 15:40 |
| ajo | for the case when you shut off / shut on a VM | 15:40 |
| Swami | amuller: As per my previous discussion with the community the work is in progress, and will be posting the WIP code as soon as we have something that can be tested by others. | 15:40 |
| ajo | if after a configurable timeout, no resource is making use of such namespace, it's cleaned up and disposed | 15:41 |
| amuller | Swami: Thank you | 15:41 |
| Swami | ajo: That's what we are thinking on. | 15:41 |
| mrsmith | yes - I don't think it is a difficult thing to do | 15:41 |
| mrsmith | is the question whether we should do it or not? | 15:41 |
| ajo | definitely, we should, resources are not limited, | 15:42 |
| mrsmith | agreed | 15:42 |
| ajo | and if VMs are moving around in a production environment, you could end up with a machine cluttered with namespaces | 15:42 |
| ajo | then sudo degrades, ip netns degrades, ... etc | 15:42 |
| Swami | mrsmith: The question is do we need to handle it and will there be a race condition when we delete a namespace and a VM comes back again. | 15:42 |
| mrsmith | swami: did you have timing/churn concerns? | 15:42 |
| Swami | Will it not create a performance issue. | 15:43 |
| mrsmith | ok - right | 15:43 |
| Swami | I do have concerns on performance. | 15:43 |
| ajo | Swami, I'd leave that tuneable... | 15:43 |
| ajo | timeout could be infinite... | 15:43 |
| Swami | ajo: thanks | 15:43 |
| Swami | ok, before we run of time. | 15:44 |
| Murali_ | but here we need keep on monitiring if someone is using the namespace or not for every change in VM | 15:44 |
| ajo | neutron, definitely has many problems at this stage regarding this, which will eventually be mitigated by better nova/neutron synchronization, but we're having also problems with resources/starvation | 15:44 |
| Swami | I need to discuss about the arbitrary port. | 15:44 |
| ajo | sure | 15:44 |
| ajo | thanks Swami | 15:44 |
| Swami | #topic Router arbitrary port. | 15:44 |
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| Swami | Hi folks, in havana, a subnet can be connected to two different routers. | 15:45 |
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| Swami | vivek: can you update the status on this | 15:45 |
| VivekNarasimhan | yes swami | 15:46 |
| VivekNarasimhan | for a given router, a subnet could be attached as an interface | 15:46 |
| VivekNarasimhan | similarly for another router by the same tenant, a handcrafted 'port' on the same subnet can be attached as an interface | 15:46 |
| VivekNarasimhan | this would be done by the tenant to typically have multiple gateways for his VMs. | 15:46 |
| VivekNarasimhan | one router dealing with routing some set of internal networks and another router dealing with routing to different set of internal networks | 15:47 |
| amuller | VivekNarasimhan: each router scheduled on a different agent, then configure source routing on your VMs? | 15:47 |
| VivekNarasimhan | but both routers have one interface on the same subnet | 15:47 |
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| VivekNarasimhan | i was mention normal routers | 15:47 |
| VivekNarasimhan | not dvr routers | 15:48 |
| VivekNarasimhan | the above scenario mentioned is available for normal routers today | 15:48 |
| amuller | I know | 15:48 |
| VivekNarasimhan | for the dvr we are pursuing the | 15:48 |
| VivekNarasimhan | source mac information is lost, so on the receiving l2-agent | 15:48 |
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| VivekNarasimhan | we cannot decide which gateway-port to emulate in the source mac to send the frame to destination VM | 15:48 |
| Swami | Vivek: what you wanted to know is if this is one thing that we need to support for dVR or not. | 15:48 |
| VivekNarasimhan | correct swami | 15:49 |
| amuller | Sounds like a classic follow up blueprint, shouldn't delay DVR imo | 15:49 |
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| Swami | My question to the audience is can this be a phase II and can take up this in the next version or it needs to be supported in the first phase. | 15:49 |
| Swami | amuller: agree | 15:49 |
| ajo | I agree too | 15:50 |
| Swami | It would be too much of work to take on everything and so we should push this to a follow on update . | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | I think it could be a follow-up bp. But, it would be good to have some sense for the feasibility of the follow-up. | 15:50 |
| VivekNarasimhan | we have a feasible design | 15:50 |
| amuller | But we need tracking... At least file the BP | 15:50 |
| Swami | Hope everyone is on the same page. | 15:50 |
| ajo | I agree on carl_baldwin | 15:50 |
| Swami | Vivek: we should take it up in the next release. | 15:50 |
| Swami | Hope this helps. | 15:50 |
| VivekNarasimhan | OK swami. BTW, the design was to allocate some bits in the unique DVR LMAC for subnet differentiation | 15:51 |
| ajo | even if it's not possible to implement now, be sure if it can be supported somehow. | 15:51 |
| Swami | #topic Any Open Discussions | 15:51 |
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| Swami | Sorry we ran out of time today. | 15:51 |
| Swami | Is there any other topic that we wanted to discuss. | 15:52 |
| VivekNarasimhan | the duplicate macs in L2-POP | 15:52 |
| VivekNarasimhan | as i dropped out | 15:52 |
| Swami | amuller: You, myself and sylvain need to sync up on the DVR+HR, we can take that as the first topic next week. | 15:52 |
| VivekNarasimhan | can the community folks let me know if thats L2-Pop bug or just a behavior? | 15:52 |
| Swami | vivek: we will check it with sylvain and let you know. | 15:53 |
| VivekNarasimhan | ok swami, thanks | 15:53 |
| amuller | Swami: Ok, if you could send an email with any questions that would help, let me prepare before the meeting... | 15:53 |
| Swami | vivek: thanks for your feedback and input. | 15:53 |
| Swami | amuller: thanks will do. | 15:53 |
| VivekNarasimhan | np | 15:53 |
| Swami | Thanks for everyone who joined the meeting today. | 15:53 |
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| amuller | Thanks everyone, see you in tomorrow's L3 meeting :) | 15:53 |
| Swami | Please review the doc and let us know if you have any questions. | 15:53 |
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| amuller | Swami: Will do | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | btw, tomorrow's l3 meeting is same time. I'll send email. | 15:54 |
| Swami | We will make sure that we push the WIP code as early as possible. | 15:54 |
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| Swami | Folks tomorrow at the same time we have the L3 subteam meeting, so any general L3 topics can be discussed, if you are interested please join it. | 15:54 |
| Swami | Thanks | 15:54 |
| Swami | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 19 15:55:12 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-03-19-15.01.html | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-03-19-15.01.txt | 15:55 |
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| mestery | Hi ML2 folks! | 16:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 16:00 |
| banix | hi | 16:00 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 19 16:00:34 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:00 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_March_19.2C_2014 Agenda | 16:01 |
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| mestery | There are no action items to review from last week per the logs. | 16:01 |
| mestery | #topic Migration BP | 16:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Migration BP (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:01 | |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76533/ Migration Review | 16:01 |
| mestery | I still need to find some time to try this out. Has anyone else tried marun's patch out by chance? | 16:01 |
| trinaths | Hi | 16:02 |
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| mestery | OK, if anyone has cycles to try it out, please do. | 16:03 |
| rkukura | I found a couple issues with it (via inspection), and marun will be updating, but I think its worth testing now. | 16:03 |
| mestery | rkukura: Cool, thanks! | 16:03 |
| mestery | Anything else on the migration? | 16:03 |
| mestery | #topic Bugs | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:04 | |
| mestery | Port binding details bugs are making their way upstream now. | 16:04 |
| mestery | This bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1276395) has one merged and one approved and on it's way upstream now. | 16:04 |
| mestery | Thanks rkukura for those! | 16:04 |
| mestery | Hopefully the gate settles down a bit and lets the second in today. | 16:04 |
| rkukura | Thanks for the reviews, team! | 16:05 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1276391 Bind Port called in transactions | 16:05 |
| mestery | This one is also approved waiting to merge: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/79511/ | 16:05 |
| mestery | Thanks again rkukura here! | 16:05 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1227336 Error handling for update ops | 16:06 |
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| mestery | This one is in review from banix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69792/ | 16:06 |
| rkukura | That's the same patch, its closes the 1st bug and is partial fix for 2nd | 16:06 |
| mestery | rkukura: I just realized that too :) | 16:06 |
| mestery | Regarding this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69792/ Do we want this for icehouse still? | 16:06 |
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| banix | rkukura raised a question about how the undo gets reflect into mechanism drivers; I think we need to discuss that as I do not see calling the pre commit again as a solution | 16:07 |
| banix | probably won't make it to Icehouse | 16:07 |
| rkukura | That's the patch to try to undo an update if any MD's postcommit raises an exception | 16:08 |
| mestery | Yes, I think this may be soemthing to discuss in Atlanta at an ML2 session. | 16:08 |
| mestery | Should we officially defer this to Juno then? | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | I'm wondering if the current MDs handle this OK via re-synching or anything? | 16:08 |
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| banix | rkukura: I looked at a few and I think the answer is no | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | Sorry for being late | 16:09 |
| mestery | I think this one warrants more discussion perhaps, so should we move this to Juno then? | 16:10 |
| rcurran | +1 | 16:10 |
| banix | Fine with me | 16:10 |
| * mestery is inclined to think that given where we're at in Icehouse. | 16:10 | |
| banix | yes | 16:10 |
| mestery | #action mestery to officially move https://launchpad.net/bugs/1227336 to Juno | 16:10 |
| mestery | Next bug on the list is VIF security: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1112912 | 16:11 |
| rkukura | banix: I'm also a bit worried about how this would interact with the patch I'm working on to move the binding outside a transaction, which adds a 2nd transaction to commit the binding result. Would we be able to undo this whole thing? | 16:11 |
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| banix | rkukura, then I think we have to deal with that as well… Not sure about the implications. | 16:12 |
| rkukura | I think nachi has updated the 1st part of this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67281/ | 16:12 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Yes, looks like there are only minor nits now and a clean jenkins run and this can maybe merge. | 16:13 |
| mestery | Needs another core other than amotoki on it too. | 16:13 |
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| rkukura | I'm following it | 16:13 |
| banix | wow just noticed the number of jobs at the gate: 70 | 16:14 |
| mestery | rkukura: Cool, I've looked at versions of this one in the past as well. | 16:14 |
| mestery | banix: Yes, gate is having trouble. | 16:14 |
| rkukura | I think the verify queue is wedged on a swift job | 16:15 |
| irenab | there is a small temporary fix to mlnx MD till nova parts will be available: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81281/. Will highly appretiate review, hope it can enter Icehouse | 16:15 |
| mestery | irenaba: Is this related to the VIF security patch or separate? | 16:16 |
| irenab | separate | 16:16 |
| mestery | irenab: OK, we're working through the agenda on the wiki, please save updates not on there until the end. | 16:16 |
| irenab | sorry, thanks | 16:16 |
| mestery | Next item is a binding failure: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1244255 | 16:16 |
| mestery | This one looks to be closed now last time I looked. | 16:16 |
| mestery | The LP bug says fix committed | 16:17 |
| mestery | irenab: No worries. :) | 16:17 |
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| mestery | The Nova side of this one is still open I guess. | 16:18 |
| mestery | Although it says invalid. | 16:18 |
| * mestery is confused on the status of this one I guess. | 16:18 | |
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| mestery | rkukura: Are you reading that one the same as me? | 16:19 |
| rkukura | mestery: I'm just as confused | 16:19 |
| mestery | It's not just me at least. :) | 16:19 |
| rkukura | I'm hoping https://review.openstack.org/#/c/80829/ will help it | 16:19 |
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| mestery | Yes | 16:20 |
| mestery | OK, irenab, lets discuss your bug now. :) | 16:20 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81281/ mlnx MD bug fix | 16:21 |
| irenab | I have discessed | 16:21 |
| irenab | discussed it with rkukura | 16:21 |
| rkukura | mestery: How about asking markmcclain about his updates to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1244255? | 16:21 |
| mestery | irenab: This one looks ok to me, thanks for adding tests! | 16:21 |
| irenab | its just temporary till nova parts will get in | 16:21 |
| irenab | mestery: thanks! | 16:21 |
| mestery | irenab: OK, cool. I'll re-review today. | 16:21 |
| mestery | rkukura: markmcclain, if you're here, any time to quickly discuss https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1244255? | 16:22 |
| rkukura | irenab: The issue I had is that binding:profile should not be modified by the plugin/driver, but given its temporary until nova does its part, I'm OK with it | 16:22 |
| mestery | markmcclain: rkukura and I are confused as to it's status. :) | 16:22 |
| * markmcclain reads scrollback | 16:22 | |
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| markmcclain | ok.. so I set it to fix committed because another review had merged | 16:23 |
| markmcclain | is this bug not fixed? | 16:23 |
| mestery | markmcclain: That's the part we're confused about. :) | 16:23 |
| rkukura | markmcclain: Is the fix you are referring to: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/80829/? | 16:24 |
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| markmcclain | this merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55000/ | 16:26 |
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| mestery | OK, thanks for the clarification markmcclain. | 16:27 |
| rkukura | markmcclain: That was back in January. The one I mentioned changes these again, and is approved, pending verify (which is hung on a swift job) | 16:27 |
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| markmcclain | ok.. I'll keep the bug open until 80829 merges | 16:28 |
| * mestery ^5s markmcclain and rkukura. | 16:29 | |
| mestery | Thanks! | 16:29 |
| mestery | OK, any other ML2 related bugs to discuss today which were not on the agenda? | 16:29 |
| rcurran | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78774/1 | 16:29 |
| rcurran | looking for reviewers | 16:30 |
| mestery | rcurran: I'll take this one up to review as well. | 16:30 |
| rcurran | ty | 16:30 |
| mestery | Any other bugs? | 16:31 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 16:32 |
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| mestery | I put a list of deferred MDs on the agenda, FYI. | 16:32 |
| mestery | Also, please note the deadline to submit Design Summit sessions is April 20. | 16:32 |
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| mestery | Maybe like in Hong Kong we'll have a few sessions of ML2 where we can merge topics which are community ML2 focused. | 16:33 |
| asomya | Mestery can you track the type driver refactor on the agenda: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-type-driver-refactor ? | 16:33 |
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| mestery | #action mestery to track type driver refactor going forward https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-type-driver-refactor | 16:33 |
| rkukura | asomya: +1 | 16:33 |
| mestery | asomya: Done, and thanks for the reminder! | 16:33 |
| asomya | Thanks, I'm making good progress on it | 16:33 |
| mestery | asomya: Awesome! | 16:33 |
| mestery | rkukura asomya: I think we're in agreement on the approach there, right? | 16:34 |
| rkukura | I plan to submit a session to quickly go over all ML2 BPs that do not have their own sessions, and prioritize what gets in juno. | 16:34 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Good idea! | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | A general question - If I were to create a multi-segmented network which uses (VLAN and VxLAN) how can I do it? | 16:34 |
| * banix adding the BP for a new ml2 driver immediately :) | 16:34 | |
| mestery | banix: :P | 16:35 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Good question, we need documentation around that I believe. | 16:35 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: You would have to "bridge" the networks using provider networks currently I believe. | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: any pointers to the documentation? | 16:35 |
| mestery | The support for multi-segment gateways is something I want to add to the ODL ML2 driver in Juno. | 16:35 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: There is no documentation. Are you volunteering to write it? :) | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: :-) | 16:36 |
| mestery | But Sukhdev has brought up a good discussion point: Documentation. | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: investigating - if I am able to figure out - will docuemnt :-) | 16:36 |
| mestery | We as an ML2 team should look at what's there and look to fill gaps in before Icehouse ships. | 16:36 |
| mestery | Thanks Sukhdev! | 16:37 |
| mestery | #action Sukhdev to investigate documenting muilti-segment ML2 networks | 16:37 |
| mestery | Anything else for ML2 today? | 16:37 |
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| mestery | OK, thanks for everyone's continued ML2 efforts! | 16:39 |
| mestery | Start thinking about design summit discussions, bugs, and documentation now. :) | 16:39 |
| mestery | And we'll be back next week! | 16:39 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 16:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 19 16:39:27 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-03-19-16.00.html | 16:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-03-19-16.00.txt | 16:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-03-19-16.00.log.html | 16:39 |
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| banix | bye | 16:40 |
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| vinod1 | #startmeeting Designate | 17:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 19 17:04:30 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vinod1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:04 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:04 |
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| vinod1 | who's around? | 17:04 |
| eankutse | here | 17:05 |
| tsimmons | Here-ish | 17:05 |
| betsy | here | 17:05 |
| vinod1 | #topic Review action items from last week | 17:05 |
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| vinod1 | mugsie to refresh Pools BP's before Monday | 17:05 |
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| vinod1 | I guess mugsie is not around | 17:05 |
| vinod1 | kiall to refresh MiniDNS BP's/Specs before Monday | 17:06 |
| vinod1 | I see kiall updated the minidns specs | 17:06 |
| eankutse | yep | 17:06 |
| vinod1 | questions/comments on those specs? | 17:06 |
| eankutse | made first pass. no comemnts. Good docs | 17:06 |
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| vinod1 | we actually have a separate agenda item for them | 17:07 |
| vinod1 | add agenda item for Pool/MDNS BP/spec discussions | 17:07 |
| Kiall | Hiya | 17:07 |
| vinod1 | That is done | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | Sorry - was late in a meeting | 17:07 |
| eankutse | :-) | 17:07 |
| vinod1 | kiall lead away | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | vinod1: too late, only you can now :) | 17:08 |
| Kiall | Bot won't listen to me | 17:08 |
| Kiall | Go ahead :) | 17:08 |
| vinod1 | we finished looking at the action items from last week | 17:08 |
| vinod1 | #topic MiniDNS Blueprints and Work Items | 17:08 |
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| vinod1 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/mdns-master | 17:08 |
| vinod1 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Blueprints/MiniDNS | 17:09 |
| Kiall | Okay - So, I split the MiniDNS blueprint into a series of smaller items that should be implementable on their own, without breaking master, and without too much code churn | 17:09 |
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| Kiall | Anyone had a chance to look at the steps I had laid out? | 17:09 |
| vinod1 | yes i did look at it | 17:10 |
| eankutse | yes | 17:10 |
| betsy | me too | 17:10 |
| eankutse | looks good! | 17:10 |
| Kiall | Okay - Anything obvious wrong/missing/too big a BP etc> | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | thanks for splitting it - makes it easier to understand | 17:10 |
| Kiall | Oh - Also worth mentioning, both the DIY and DNSPython route have BPs in there | 17:10 |
| Kiall | one set of those will be deleted when a decision is made | 17:10 |
| eankutse | kiall; maybe on second pass. I'll catch something or have questions | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | one thing i wanted a bit clarification on was the mdns-storage-objects blueprint | 17:11 |
| vinod1 | so what is the reasoning behind having storage returning objects? | 17:11 |
| Kiall | vinod1: sure, so.. That actually it's technically mini-dns perse, but it's something that will make the remainder of MiniDNS easier. | 17:11 |
| vinod1 | does minidns need rdata? | 17:12 |
| Kiall | The main reason, is to keep consistency when we turn the RData is structured data where the acceptable types are pluggable | 17:12 |
| Kiall | It also gives a move for the encode/decode from DNSPython's equivalent objects | 17:12 |
| richm | hello | 17:12 |
| Kiall | And, gives a place for splitting validations out of the API and Central into a shared place that can be used by both | 17:13 |
| vinod1 | makes sense | 17:13 |
| betsy | makes sense to me, too. I like the idea | 17:13 |
| Kiall | So - As I said, it's not 100% minidns related, but it's most likely the right think to do, and if we do it, we don't want to have to go back and update all the minidns code again | 17:14 |
| vinod1 | Another question that I had was about - mdns-designate-mdns-functional blueprint | 17:14 |
| vinod1 | you mention "This will be limited to standard, non AXFR/TSIG, queries for now." | 17:14 |
| vinod1 | what queries would these be? | 17:14 |
| Kiall | Thats somewhat badly named ;) | 17:14 |
| vinod1 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/mdns-designate-mdns-functional | 17:15 |
| Kiall | But it's where several other pieces would get tied together into something that actually responds to DNS queries | 17:15 |
| Kiall | vinod1: DNS queries - Simple SOA lookups to start I would imagine | 17:15 |
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| vinod1 | so would these be the building blocks for an AXFR response? | 17:16 |
| Kiall | Once that BP is implemented - We should have a service is designate that's actually capable of receiving queries from `dig`, and responding.. Hence it "functional mdns" title :) | 17:16 |
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| Kiall | Yea - Once this is there, AXFR comes after | 17:16 |
| Kiall | (for AXFR to work, the server needs to be able to answer a SOA query) | 17:16 |
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| Kiall | So - Getting the SOA (and probably other, since once you have one the rest are easy) working first, then building the AXFR pieces next makes sense to me | 17:17 |
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| vinod1 | any more questions on this topic? | 17:17 |
| eankutse | one | 17:17 |
| eankutse | Kiall | 17:17 |
| Kiall | The dependency graph at the bottom shows the progression from coed that does nothing functional, through to something functional, through to actually doing the core things we want. | 17:18 |
| Kiall | code* | 17:18 |
| eankutse | did you mean to provide a link to "Pre-Wiki translation of "Implementation Steps" that's much easier to read" on wiki here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Blueprints/MiniDNS? | 17:18 |
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| vinod1 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Blueprints/MiniDNS | 17:19 |
| Kiall | I did - But, it seems I don't have the original markdown-ish version I wrote up | 17:19 |
| eankutse | k | 17:19 |
| Kiall | It was much easier to read than what the wiki did to it :( | 17:19 |
| betsy | the wiki's not too bad | 17:19 |
| betsy | I have a question, but I listed it as a separate agenda item | 17:20 |
| Kiall | betsy: maybe it's just because I saw the original ;) | 17:20 |
| betsy | :) | 17:20 |
| betsy | I guess you could always send it out as an email | 17:20 |
| rjrjr_ | will the specs be made available to everyone? launchpad tells me "Not allowed here" | 17:20 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: really? it should be totally public | 17:20 |
| Kiall | what URL in partocular? | 17:21 |
| rjrjr_ | strange. tells me it is private. | 17:21 |
| betsy | hmm. I can see it and I'm not currently logged into the wiki | 17:21 |
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| rjrjr_ | never mind. 8^) | 17:21 |
| Kiall | lol | 17:21 |
| rjrjr_ | no specs to see. | 17:21 |
| Kiall | Okay - I think that's all the Q's vinod1, if to want to move on to betsy's item :) | 17:21 |
| betsy | Ok | 17:22 |
| vinod1 | #topic Records Table Redesign | 17:22 |
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| vinod1 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/records-table-redesign | 17:22 |
| betsy | So, if we're going to split up the Records table into multiple tables per record type... | 17:22 |
| betsy | where does this fit into the priority? | 17:22 |
| betsy | Seems like it would be easier to do this first | 17:22 |
| betsy | Since we're changing the storage for minidns | 17:23 |
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| betsy | Thoughts on priority for this? | 17:23 |
| Kiall | betsy: I personally think it can go before or after the mdns storage changes - just not at the same time :) | 17:23 |
| betsy | true | 17:23 |
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| betsy | that's why I think we should decide on when | 17:23 |
| vinod1 | i would say before would be ideal | 17:23 |
| rjrjr_ | betsy, did you talk to a DBA about this? | 17:24 |
| betsy | Yes. | 17:24 |
| betsy | I wrote some of the justification he gave on the blueprint | 17:24 |
| betsy | Basically, he said we could probably make one huge table work, but it would be better to have it divided | 17:24 |
| Kiall | In terms of priority, I think it can happen anytime really. It's not killing anyone today, but would be nice to do sooner so the migration is easier+quicker :) | 17:24 |
| betsy | ikr? | 17:25 |
| betsy | But we can't do it at the same time as the mini-dns changes | 17:25 |
| Kiall | Well - It should avoid happening at the same time as mdns-storage-objects and mdns-structured-rdata | 17:25 |
| Kiall | But, that's only because it will be 2 major changes to the same piece of code at the same time | 17:26 |
| betsy | kiall: Right. | 17:26 |
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| betsy | So, is it easier to do it first or does it really matter and we can put it off until after? | 17:26 |
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| Kiall | I think it's probably slightly easier after, because we'll have the objects in place to hold all structured -> text conversion methods etc | 17:27 |
| vinod1 | how about migration considerations at that time? | 17:28 |
| Kiall | If we do it first, and if the tables are catered to the specific rdata (e.g. SRV has priority, weight, port, and target columns) then something has to convert that back to the merged text format we use today | 17:28 |
| Kiall | After those 2 blueprints, that convert is unnecessary | 17:28 |
| betsy | kiall; hmm. Hadn't thought of that | 17:29 |
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| betsy | Okay. So, are we all agreed that we're going to do that after mini-dns and possibly pools? | 17:29 |
| Kiall | vinod1: not sure what you mean? | 17:29 |
| Kiall | betsy: well, I think it can easily happen right after the mdns-structured-rdata BP.. Which is well before mini-dns would be complete | 17:30 |
| vinod1 | would it be harder to get the migration done at that time than now? | 17:30 |
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| vinod1 | but i think your point about conversion implies that it is definitely easier to do after | 17:30 |
| Kiall | vinod1: Oh, not that I can think of, other than HP's growing dataset that needs conversion ;) | 17:31 |
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| betsy | kiall: I had initially thought the table changes would be easier to do before that, but I see your point and agree with you | 17:31 |
| Kiall | That was all i meant by the would like it sooner comment earlier ;) | 17:31 |
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| vinod1 | so adding this blueprint to the mdns dependency tree would be helpful - even though it is not related to mdns | 17:32 |
| betsy | Then I'll add a dependency to the blueprint I did | 17:32 |
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| Kiall | Got to vacate this conference room, stayed here to save time after the last meet ran over.. Now someone else has it booked. Be back in 5 mins. | 17:32 |
| vinod1 | #action betsy to add dependency to records-table-redesign blueprint | 17:33 |
| betsy | vinod1: Or at least at the dependency to the blueprint on splitting up the Records table | 17:33 |
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| vinod1 | ok | 17:33 |
| rjrjr_ | so, Kiall is advocating waiting for the record table work? | 17:33 |
| betsy | rjrjr_: Yes. Until after the mdns-structured-rdata BP | 17:34 |
| betsy | It will eliminate some re-work | 17:34 |
| vinod1 | Moving on | 17:35 |
| vinod1 | #topic RecordSets revisited | 17:35 |
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| betsy | I wanted kiall's input on this one | 17:35 |
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| Kiall | back | 17:36 |
| betsy | As our QA team is testing creating Records and RecordSets, they are finding the url quite long and cumbsersome | 17:37 |
| vinod1 | the concern here seems to be the advantages of having the recordsets outweigh having the long URLS for accessing a record | 17:37 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: yes, I think it makes sense - and ties in with some of the min-dns needs | 17:37 |
| Kiall | So - Yea, the URLs can get long all right. No doubt about that. I guess it boils down to, do we really expect people to be interacting with the APIs by hand? | 17:38 |
| rjrjr_ | not particularly familiar with the API, but shouldn't recordsets be obfuscated from API users? | 17:38 |
| rjrjr_ | this part of the API. | 17:38 |
| betsy | rjrjr_: That's my question to Kiall. | 17:39 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: No, the URL ends up /v2/zones/<ZONEID>/recordsets/<RRSETID>/records/<RECORDID> | 17:39 |
| Kiall | so - Long | 17:39 |
| betsy | Yes. Very long with 3 recordids | 17:39 |
| vinod1 | so what is the intention of having recordsets? | 17:39 |
| vinod1 | is it to enforce the same ttl for records? | 17:39 |
| betsy | ^ or 3 different IDs rather | 17:40 |
| Kiall | vinod1: it ensures we don't either A) allow people to create scenarios that do something surprising and unexpected OR B) magically change all records in an RRSet when a single record is updated | 17:40 |
| Kiall | Yes, Mainly focuses on the TTL | 17:40 |
| betsy | Is there a way we can do this without exposing the RRS resource to the end user? | 17:41 |
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| Kiall | For example - a RRSet is defined as the set of records with the same name (example.com.), type (A) and class (IN). For each of these sets, there must not be differing TTLs amond the records. | 17:41 |
| Kiall | among* | 17:41 |
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| rjrjr_ | do all records use recordsets? | 17:42 |
| Kiall | If you have 2 A records called example.com, the first being TTL=100 Address=1.1.1.1, the second being TTL=200 Address=2.2.2.2 | 17:42 |
| Kiall | When someone queries for IN A example.com against, say, google DNS | 17:42 |
| Kiall | google DNS will cache the first record for 100 seconds, the second for 200 seconds. | 17:42 |
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| Kiall | For the first 100 seconds, people will get back 2 records - 1.1.1.1, and 2.2.2.2 | 17:43 |
| Kiall | for seconds 101 through 200, they will only get 2.2.2.2 back | 17:43 |
| Kiall | Which is totally unexpected | 17:43 |
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| vinod1 | wouldn't this be pilot error? | 17:43 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_: yes, all records belong to recordsets | 17:43 |
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| rjrjr_ | if that is the case, can't we hide this from the user? | 17:44 |
| Kiall | vinod1: absolutely, but it's also a violation of the DNS specs | 17:44 |
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| vinod1 | at create/update time, can we check that the other ttl is different and fail the create/update | 17:44 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: so - if we hide it from the user, and the update the first records TTL, what should happen to the second record? | 17:44 |
| Kiall | "Automatic" update behind the scenes is unexpected, they didn't ask for the second record to be changed | 17:44 |
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| rjrjr_ | we can't just change the first record's TTL? | 17:45 |
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| vinod1 | how about the ability to update multiple records belonging to a single zone in the same request | 17:45 |
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| Kiall | Anyway - Here's my question, what percentage of API calls do we expect a human to be making by hand? | 17:45 |
| Kiall | I expect the vast majority will be using Horizon (other consoles) and client libraries/language bindings | 17:46 |
| rjrjr_ | i think this is unknown. if you expose it, people will use it has been my experience. | 17:46 |
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| Kiall | While very few, outside of us dev's and the poor QA folks who look after us, will be hand crafting HTTP API calls... | 17:47 |
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| richm | what about the designate command line tool? | 17:47 |
| tsimmons | That's my stance on that, no one is going to be adding data to the API manually. | 17:47 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: people will use it no doubt, the question is will they be constructing the URLs by hand, or will 99% of API call URLs be generated by some form of tooling? | 17:47 |
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| betsy | Still seems like a lot of overhead just to enforce the TTL's | 17:48 |
| vinod1 | in any case - users now have to understand the recordset concept | 17:48 |
| Kiall | richm: the CLI has always been nasty with it's use of ID's everywhere, and I believe we should switch to the keystone model.. ask for the useful info (record name, type) and have the client handle figuring the rest out | 17:48 |
| Kiall | keystoneclient model* | 17:48 |
| rjrjr_ | back to your question, if someone updates the TTL for a particular record in a record set, can't we just update the TTL for the record? | 17:48 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: well, if RRSets are hidden in the API, then they can't update it on the RRSet? | 17:49 |
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| rjrjr_ | so TTL is part of a recordset and a record? why not just make it part of the record? | 17:49 |
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| rjrjr_ | is the only reason we are exposing the recordset because of the TTL? | 17:50 |
| richm | imho ttl should be part of a record _and_ a part of a recordset - if a record does not have a ttl it should use the one defined in the recordset | 17:50 |
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| rjrjr_ | hence the recordset being exposed. | 17:50 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: it's "exposed in order to facilitate adherence to the DNS RFCs" would be my carefully worded answer :) | 17:50 |
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| Kiall | richm: that violates the spec :) | 17:51 |
| richm | Kiall: you mean rfc 1034? | 17:51 |
| Kiall | http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2181 Section 5 | 17:51 |
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| Kiall | 6 mins left | 17:53 |
| richm | ok, I see | 17:53 |
| vinod1 | i would still like to enforce the spec without introducing a recordset concept | 17:53 |
| vinod1 | the zone file too has just records and not recordsets | 17:53 |
| Kiall | vinod1: I'm not sure any alternatives exist that don't add other complications | 17:54 |
| rjrjr_ | why not give the user the option to work with recordsets or not? /zones/<id>/records/<id> or /zones/<id>/recordsets/<id>/records/<id> | 17:54 |
| rjrjr_ | if they choose not to work with them directly, the code handles them for the user on the backend. | 17:54 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: that adds the complication of surprise TTL changes to records your not intending to edit | 17:54 |
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| rjrjr_ | how? | 17:55 |
| vinod1 | how about an action item for me to come up with some alternatives and we discuss this again next week? | 17:55 |
| richm | How about if an attempt to set a TTL on a record returns an error, and some sort of redirect or pointer to the recordset endpoint? | 17:55 |
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| Kiall | Also relevant, here's a snippet from AWS Route53 API: http://paste.openstack.org/show/73840/ | 17:55 |
| betsy | vinod1: Good idea as we're running short on time | 17:55 |
| tsimmons | I have a quick question, I know we're on something else, but I have to head to class so whomever/whenever wants to answer that's cool. I wanted to ask Mugsie about the status of the server pools spec and the idea generally. I'd still like to help with that if it hasn't been consumed by mindns stuff. | 17:55 |
| Kiall | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/73840/ | 17:55 |
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| vinod1 | #link http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2181Â | 17:56 |
| Kiall | tsimmons: mugsie literally just ran out to another meeting, I haven't had a chance to discuss it with him today | 17:56 |
| rjrjr_ | i have a question, but i can move it to #openstack-dns. | 17:56 |
| Kiall | s/today/this week/ | 17:56 |
| vinod1 | #action vinod to come up with alternatives to recordsets | 17:56 |
| tsimmons | Kiall: well, if that happens at any point, let me know in the regular room, even if i'm not there i'll see it :) no pressure. | 17:56 |
| Kiall | #action Everyone to think about RRSets, reread the logs from the conversation, and come with alternatives and pro's con's | 17:57 |
| Kiall | vinod1: snap ;) | 17:57 |
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| vinod1 | 4 more mins and 2 more items on the agents | 17:57 |
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| vinod1 | we can move the 2 remaining items to next week | 17:57 |
| vinod1 | any other questions | 17:57 |
| Kiall | Lets move real real quick onto .. TenantId in URL.. I think I can kill it it a few seconds ;) | 17:57 |
| vinod1 | #topic TenantId in URL | 17:57 |
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| vinod1 | Some of the other openstack services have the TenantID in the URL. Should we too have it in the URL instead of in the context? | 17:57 |
| vinod1 | #link http://api.openstack.org/api-ref-blockstorage.html | 17:58 |
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| vinod1 | #link http://api.openstack.org/api-ref-compute.htmlml | 17:58 |
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| Kiall | Okay - So, Yes - Lots of the other OpenStack services current APIs include the TenantID in the URL. These have been a source of many many frustrations for them, and most of the newer API versions are removing the TenantID | 17:58 |
| eankutse | do they come in headers then? | 17:58 |
| Kiall | There have been lots of conversations over the last year or so about there merits, I'll try dig them up | 17:58 |
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| vinod1 | hmm - so what were the issues they had | 17:58 |
| Kiall | #action kiall to dig up ML archive entries around tenant id's in URLs | 17:59 |
| vinod1 | ok | 17:59 |
| rjrjr_ | long URLs? LOL | 17:59 |
| vinod1 | time to wrap up | 17:59 |
| Kiall | vinod1: two of the main ones are.. | 17:59 |
| Kiall | 1) viewing all tenants stuff ends up funky | 17:59 |
| Kiall | 2) Placing a versionless URL into the catalog becomes impossible | 17:59 |
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| vinod1 | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 19 18:00:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-03-19-17.04.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-03-19-17.04.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-03-19-17.04.log.html | 18:00 |
| Kiall | Thanks all :) | 18:00 |
| cweid | o/ | 18:00 |
| Kiall | Thanks vinod1 for getting started when I was late! | 18:00 |
| vinod1 | np | 18:00 |
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| cp16net | halo | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | hey there | 18:02 |
| esp | hey | 18:02 |
| hub_cap | tap tap tap, is this thing on? | 18:02 |
| cweid | sup ya'll | 18:02 |
| cweid | o/ | 18:02 |
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| cweid | \o | 18:02 |
| hub_cap | lol cp16net | 18:02 |
| yogesh | o/ hello | 18:02 |
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| hub_cap | #startmeeting trove | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 19 18:02:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hub_cap. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:02 |
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| imsplitbit | o/ | 18:02 |
| cp16net | haylo | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | o/ | 18:03 |
| hub_cap | so looks like the first thing on the agenda is the refactoring datastore options thing | 18:03 |
| kevinconway | 7o7 | 18:03 |
| pdmars | o/ | 18:03 |
| cp16net | action items? | 18:03 |
| hub_cap | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:03 |
| grapex | o/ | 18:03 |
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| hub_cap | #link | 18:03 |
| hub_cap | lol stupid paste | 18:03 |
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| hub_cap | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetinags/trove/2014/trove.2014-03-12-17.59.txt | 18:04 |
| mat-lowery | o/ | 18:04 |
| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:04 |
| juice | o/ | 18:04 |
| k-pom | \o | 18:04 |
| doug_shelley66 | o/ | 18:04 |
| hub_cap | ok so im thinking next time, dotn worru about saying yer here | 18:04 |
| kevinconway | hub_cap: 404 on that link | 18:04 |
| hub_cap | i trust everyone is here | 18:04 |
| glucas | o/ | 18:04 |
| hub_cap | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-03-12-17.59.txt | 18:05 |
| juice | vipul is not here | 18:05 |
| hub_cap | juice: then when i say, hey vipul | 18:05 |
| hub_cap | and he doesnt respond | 18:05 |
| hub_cap | ill know hes not here :) | 18:05 |
| grapex | hub_cap: But roll call is my favorite part! | 18:05 |
| kevinconway | it also logs us as there in the meeting notes | 18:05 |
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| SnowDust | grapex: present SIR ! | 18:05 |
| SnowDust | :D | 18:05 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: im not sure thats necessary | 18:05 |
| kevinconway | i get paid per lines in the meeting log | 18:06 |
| hub_cap | anyhoo lets talk about it in open discuss | 18:06 |
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| hub_cap | kevinconway: lol exactly | 18:06 |
| SnowDust | kevinconway :D | 18:06 |
| hub_cap | so lets start w/ | 18:06 |
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| pdmars | hub_cap: i didn't see this topic on the agenda | 18:06 |
| hub_cap | #link refactoring-datastore-options | 18:06 |
| hub_cap | pdmars: hence my open discuss comment ;) | 18:06 |
| hub_cap | #undo | 18:06 |
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| hub_cap | #topic refactoring-datastore-options | 18:06 |
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| hub_cap | #link | 18:07 |
| hub_cap | ARGGGGGGGG PASTE | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/refactoring-datastore-options-in-cfg | 18:07 |
| hub_cap | thx SlickNik | 18:07 |
| SnowDust | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/refactoring-datastore-options-in-cfg | 18:07 |
| SnowDust | thanks .. | 18:07 |
| cweid | hub_cap: my linux box never has this problems. | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | So we discussed this at the bp-review on Mon. | 18:08 |
| hub_cap | cweid: my linux box is about 15 min old, so i havent fixed my keybindings :) | 18:08 |
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| hub_cap | SlickNik: yes but we didnt come to a conclusion about work starting | 18:08 |
| cweid | ohhhhh welcome to the cool kids team =) | 18:08 |
| SlickNik | SnowDust: The main concern was that the current design / implementation allows for a complete override of the datastore config values. | 18:08 |
| hub_cap | cweid: your mind is terrible, ive been on linux for 6+mo | 18:08 |
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| cweid | oh my bad. | 18:09 |
| SnowDust | SlickNik: as the override is from the config file or from the implementation of datastore( external package) | 18:09 |
| SnowDust | this should be a "Safe" option | 18:09 |
| SnowDust | but i am open to discuss the consequence | 18:09 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: are we suer thats the case? | 18:09 |
| kevinconway | hub_cap: that's almost 7 months | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | The proposal was to have the design extend the default datastore configs instead of override them completely. | 18:10 |
| hub_cap | cuz teh code, if i grok correctly, only uses the options if they are in a optgrp | 18:10 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: +:=<2wks | 18:10 |
| SnowDust | SlickNik, until an ADMIN overrided using conf ( whcih he can even do in the current code) | 18:10 |
| SnowDust | no override happens | 18:11 |
| SnowDust | in current code also | 18:11 |
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| hub_cap | so this code doesnt split the conifgs out in any way | 18:11 |
| SnowDust | we may define [mysql] / [percona]/[redis]/ in conf files | 18:11 |
| SnowDust | to override datastore defaults for the datastore | 18:11 |
| hub_cap | it just moves the in memory ones to different files, but until the datastores use the optgroups | 18:11 |
| hub_cap | they will be ignored | 18:12 |
| hub_cap | iirc u need to do a cfg.mysql.mount_point to access the [mysql]...mount_point=blah | 18:12 |
| hub_cap | so in its current state im not sure what this code does :) | 18:12 |
| SnowDust | hub_cap: SlickNik: the BP is just to enhance the component nature of databases | 18:13 |
| SnowDust | my idea was to separate datastore specific config from the cfg.py to their own packages | 18:13 |
| SnowDust | as we had the design of datastore Managers being a class loaded using config | 18:14 |
| SnowDust | so its safe to load the configurations from the module itself .. from which the Managers are loaded | 18:14 |
| kevinconway | SnowDust: would that include the ability to override a global option but only in one specific datastore (like the mount_point hub_cap mentioned)? | 18:14 |
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| SlickNik | SnowDust: The concern is that you'd be able to override the config values for a datastore type so that you don't load the confs for say cassandra, but the guestagent manager still had a cassandra implementation. | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | 18:14 | |
| SnowDust | kevinconway: just like current code the nature remains the same for override | 18:14 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: some code would have to be ther for that | 18:14 |
| juice | snowdust: I like the modular nature/i.e. reduced clutter but on the flip side I need to piece together two files to see the complete picture | 18:15 |
| kevinconway | hub_cap: right, i'm just trying to keep up with what this BP is for | 18:15 |
| juice | snowdust: not sure it is worth the additional complexiyt | 18:15 |
| kevinconway | juice: is it two files or just two sections in one file? | 18:15 |
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| SnowDust | juice: its worth is for keeping datastore implementations external | 18:15 |
| hub_cap | so kevinconway i wrote this for cinders multi backend | 18:15 |
| juice | kevinconway: two files as it is proposed | 18:16 |
| hub_cap | https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/configuration.py | 18:16 |
| hub_cap | it lets you specify an optgroup, and if not, it uses the defaults | 18:16 |
| hub_cap | so u just do configuration.mount_point, and if it can find the "mysql" mount_point, it uses | 18:16 |
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| hub_cap | kevinconway: iirc ;) | 18:16 |
| SnowDust | SlickNik: i didnot get the last one from u | 18:17 |
| SnowDust | SlickNik: as u saw cfg.py ( code snippet in the BP) loads Cassandra by default ( with its well defined defaults) | 18:17 |
| SnowDust | but override is user choice and thats why we have config variables ment | 18:18 |
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| SlickNik | SnowDust: https://github.com/openstack/trove/blob/fba8cabea326527bacdeca56760a97e14cdcc18f/trove/guestagent/dbaas.py#L34-L51 lets you specify datastore managers. | 18:18 |
| SnowDust | SlickNik : right | 18:18 |
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| hub_cap | ok so looking at this, SlickNik SnowDust | 18:18 |
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| SnowDust | hub_cap : thanks .. | 18:19 |
| hub_cap | does it override the existing opts instead of definig them _only_ in an optgroup? | 18:19 |
| hub_cap | if thats the case this is a BIG nono | 18:19 |
| SnowDust | its does not override any existing ones .. | 18:19 |
| hub_cap | we will not, ever, overwrite opts in memory that were defined | 18:19 |
| hub_cap | ok so how do i use the opt in [mysql] mount_point SnowDust ? | 18:19 |
| SnowDust | confs just exist in ONE place .. their place of existance has been reworked .. from cfg.py ( which is a tied down approach) to the datastore module itself | 18:20 |
| SnowDust | hub_cap | 18:20 |
| SnowDust | as per the cfg.py code | 18:20 |
| SnowDust | the datastore_options dictOpt | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | SnowDust: the default managers are always loaded; similarly the default configs should also be always loaded. | 18:21 |
| SnowDust | is a mapping between datastore_manager and the datastore_manager.implementation.module.entrypoint | 18:21 |
| hub_cap | SnowDust: ok, so how do i get that option | 18:21 |
| SnowDust | after that is done .. it used oslo.config's method .. import_group | 18:21 |
| hub_cap | cuz what yer doing is using a cfg optgroup, and your code would have to look like cfg.mysql.mount_point right? | 18:21 |
| SnowDust | import_group reads the module entry point to import the opts .. | 18:22 |
| SnowDust | yeah hub_cap .. end of that | 18:22 |
| SnowDust | its CONF.mysql.mount_point .. just as rigth now | 18:22 |
| hub_cap | so you plan on changing that in all the datastores, correct? | 18:22 |
| SnowDust | hub_cap right | 18:22 |
| SnowDust | even which are external to the trove code | 18:23 |
| hub_cap | ok so what happens when i wnat to use the default? | 18:23 |
| hub_cap | SnowDust: thats not true at all, those are all over the trove guest code and other places | 18:23 |
| hub_cap | if u look at a datastore impl it needs to use conf values, right? | 18:23 |
| hub_cap | and those conf values are not changed | 18:23 |
| SnowDust | hub_cap they are also loaded in cfg.py | 18:23 |
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| hub_cap | but there is also no backwards compatibility | 18:24 |
| SnowDust | so .. default are available all the time | 18:24 |
| hub_cap | how do i, SnowDust , which isthe question we are asking | 18:24 |
| hub_cap | right but i have to code it for every one | 18:24 |
| hub_cap | right? | 18:24 |
| SnowDust | when ever we import from trove.common import cfg | 18:24 |
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| hub_cap | if not cfg.mysql.mount_point use cfg.mount_point | 18:24 |
| SnowDust | we have done that only in current cfg.py for all the datastores | 18:24 |
| hub_cap | if not cfg.#{datastore}.mount_point use cfg.mount_point | 18:24 |
| SnowDust | there is not common defaults now .. | 18:24 |
| SnowDust | hub_cap .. there is no cfg.mount_point now | 18:24 |
| SnowDust | default have been removed | 18:25 |
| hub_cap | ok so maybe mount | 18:25 |
| hub_cap | point is a bad example | 18:25 |
| SnowDust | i pushed a patchset on that question only .. then were suggested to go for this BP | 18:25 |
| SnowDust | hub_cap .. let me share the abandoned patchset.. which wanted to restore the cfg.mount_point but was turned off | 18:25 |
| hub_cap | no | 18:25 |
| hub_cap | lets use backup_strategy | 18:25 |
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| hub_cap | what i think we want to see, is the ability to use these values but not put a bunch of if'stmts for each "default" vs a datastore specific | 18:26 |
| hub_cap | i suggest u look @ the configuration object in cinder | 18:27 |
| hub_cap | it handles it pretty transparently, but can likely be updated to be better :) | 18:27 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: SlickNik et al do yall feel better about it assuming that | 18:27 |
| SlickNik | #link https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/configuration.py | 18:27 |
| hub_cap | * if we dont find a datastore specific, we use the one in the [DEFAULT] group | 18:28 |
| SnowDust | hub_cap .. :) | 18:28 |
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| SnowDust | they all turned off .. the fallback | 18:28 |
| SnowDust | amcrn, r u there? | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | SnowDust: He had to step out. | 18:29 |
| esp | hub_cap: I think there was some question regarding if we still consider mysql as the default datastore impl | 18:29 |
| kevinconway | ok so we could provide datastore specific overrides/special entries and then fall back to default configs when they aren't present? | 18:29 |
| kevinconway | would that allow for config options in mongo that don't exist in mysql? | 18:29 |
| kevinconway | or do they all *have* to exist in DEFAULT? | 18:29 |
| hub_cap | sure kevinconway | 18:29 |
| esp | it probably makes sense to have a default datastore | 18:30 |
| hub_cap | if they dont exist in default then we fail | 18:30 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Wait, are you saying we can't add datastore specific config options? | 18:31 |
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| esp | hub_cap: meaning if you don't specify a required config for your datastore we fail? | 18:31 |
| hub_cap | no not at all | 18:31 |
| hub_cap | this is how configs work | 18:31 |
| hub_cap | 1) in memory | 18:31 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Ok, just checking | 18:31 |
| hub_cap | 2) overrides from disk if avail | 18:31 |
| hub_cap | 3) failures | 18:31 |
| hub_cap | opt groups get funky since u have to identify them | 18:32 |
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| hub_cap | oslo wont "Default" for u | 18:32 |
| hub_cap | if u specify cfg.somegrp.someval, if someval is in default, it wont pull it | 18:32 |
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| hub_cap | itll look for [somegrp]...someval=blah, and if it doesnt find, itll use whats in memory for that value, if any | 18:33 |
| cp16net | sounds like something we could put a bug in oslo for? | 18:33 |
| hub_cap | only for that memory in that optgroup | 18:33 |
| hub_cap | its not a bug | 18:33 |
| hub_cap | its the design of using different optgroups | 18:33 |
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| grapex | hub_cap: Ok- I thought you were saying oslo could be smart enough to use someval from default is cfg.somegrp.someval wadn't found | 18:33 |
| grapex | However | 18:33 |
| SnowDust | hub_cap : so the current BP implements the defaults | 18:33 |
| hub_cap | we could do cfg.DEFAULT if we wanted :) | 18:33 |
| SnowDust | i said when cfg is imported | 18:33 |
| cp16net | ok | 18:33 |
| grapex | you could have code in a datastore that checked to see if the group specific default was not None, and if it was try the default one | 18:34 |
| SnowDust | the load_datastore_opts() | 18:34 |
| SnowDust | function is called | 18:34 |
| SnowDust | which loads the mapped datastores | 18:34 |
| hub_cap | grapex: or just put it in a wrapper object, like configuration object | 18:34 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Yeah | 18:34 |
| hub_cap | u pass in None, or the optgroup, like 'cassandra' | 18:34 |
| hub_cap | and then just do configuration.blah | 18:34 |
| hub_cap | instead of cfg.blah | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | So not getting caught up in the implementation details, and coming back to the bp. | 18:35 |
| hub_cap | yes :) | 18:35 |
| hub_cap | i think its ok to move the options to config groups for datastores | 18:35 |
| hub_cap | assumign we can interact w/ them in a easy way ;) | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | I think that the bp does simplify some of the datastore config value loading. | 18:36 |
| hub_cap | id like to see a 2nd patchset w/ options actually updated before i can merge p1 :) | 18:36 |
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| hub_cap | as in a dependent patch set that shows the code updating, say, mysql, to use the optgrp | 18:37 |
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| SnowDust | hub_cap int_tests just show that what options are being selected for mysql | 18:38 |
| hub_cap | but as it stands, im ok w/ this | 18:38 |
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| SlickNik | Same here, I'm okay with the bp. | 18:39 |
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| SlickNik | The implementation details might need some tweaking. | 18:40 |
| grapex | Ok- sorry | 18:40 |
| grapex | this all seems simple but I feel like I'm fuzy on some of the details we're talking about | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | And I think it'd be easier to make some of these comments in gerrit. | 18:40 |
| grapex | SlickNik: +1000 | 18:40 |
| hub_cap | yea after looking more at the code, it looks like we are already calling cfg.get(datastore_mgr).tcp_ports | 18:40 |
| hub_cap | thats the only place we are doing it | 18:40 |
| grapex | just to be sure, none of us want to load all of the datastore options in the common/cfg.py right? | 18:40 |
| grapex | robert just pointed out on the last line here, it loads all of the config options for everything which seems a bit much: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/80061/5/trove/common/cfg.py | 18:41 |
| SnowDust | grapex: yes | 18:41 |
| robertmy_ | all other openstack projects do not do this | 18:41 |
| SnowDust | grapex: i suggested in last discussion | 18:41 |
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| hub_cap | robertmy_: ? | 18:41 |
| SnowDust | this may be further trimmed | 18:41 |
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| SnowDust | if we want to do it from conf files only | 18:42 |
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| hub_cap | everything exists in a big global cfg | 18:42 |
| robertmy_ | they use the option groups in the file | 18:42 |
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| robertmy_ | hub_cap: no | 18:42 |
| grapex | SnowDust: Sorry, I guess we didn't all see that. | 18:42 |
| hub_cap | robertmy_: tahts what he says this is doing | 18:42 |
| SnowDust | so that only the one which is being enabled gets loaded | 18:42 |
| hub_cap | robertmy_: this is a change then :) | 18:42 |
| grapex | hub_cap: I don't get the reasoning | 18:42 |
| grapex | why force all the config options to load when cfg.py is parsed? | 18:43 |
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| hub_cap | well wait up, i need robertmyers to explain | 18:43 |
| robertmyers | let me find an example | 18:43 |
| hub_cap | plz do, cuz last i thought, everyon grabs cfg.CONF | 18:43 |
| hub_cap | and its parsed on load (thats how nova used to work) | 18:43 |
| hub_cap | again, *used to* | 18:43 |
| hub_cap | ok so maybe we need to move this convo out of here | 18:44 |
| hub_cap | and move on | 18:44 |
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| grapex | hub_cap: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/auth.py#L46 | 18:44 |
| robertmyers | https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/drivers/san/san.py | 18:44 |
| robertmyers | so you see the option groups are defined at the point they are used | 18:44 |
| hub_cap | right its still a global CONF | 18:45 |
| grapex | That's what robert_my means- auth_opts are simply defined next to where they are used, and no special code exists to parse them as the root cfg.py is created | 18:45 |
| hub_cap | oh u mean just the loading.. yea that can be taken out of the global cfg stuff | 18:45 |
| hub_cap | there is no need for them to be loaded before their impls are loaded | 18:45 |
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| robertmyers | hub_cap: it is a global config file, but not a global object | 18:45 |
| hub_cap | cfg.CONF ?? | 18:45 |
| hub_cap | im pretty sure that using CONF everywhere defines a global obj right? | 18:46 |
| robertmyers | well, it all reads/extends cfg.CONF | 18:46 |
| hub_cap | my python-speak may be wrong | 18:46 |
| hub_cap | everything uses CONF right? | 18:46 |
| robertmyers | technically yes | 18:46 |
| hub_cap | ok i think we are speaking the same thing | 18:46 |
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| robertmyers | but, it is lazy loaded | 18:46 |
| hub_cap | i agree we dont need to "preload" Them | 18:46 |
| robertmyers | ok | 18:47 |
| hub_cap | the point of cfg is to allow u to define groups in the files they are used (or imported) | 18:47 |
| * grapex wipes sweat off his brow | 18:47 | |
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| kevinconway | i think we should change the conf files to YAML | 18:47 |
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| hub_cap | kevinconway: if i only had /kick privs | 18:47 |
| robertmyers | xml | 18:47 |
| grapex | kevinconway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DgbUBoxa48 | 18:47 |
| hub_cap | so lets remove the preload stuff SnowDust | 18:47 |
| hub_cap | and just let the app load it | 18:47 |
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| pdmars | lol | 18:48 |
| hub_cap | and id like to see you update an impl to use more than just whats defined now in the optgropu, which is tcp_ports | 18:48 |
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| hub_cap | unless thats done | 18:48 |
| hub_cap | we are already doing that in places | 18:49 |
| hub_cap | so then we dont need to see that done | 18:49 |
| hub_cap | so just removing the autoload will satisfy everyone, right? | 18:49 |
| hub_cap | and we can make a different bp for the "fallback" to default | 18:49 |
| grapex | hub_cap: aye | 18:49 |
| SnowDust | hub_cap u mean i should not "REGISTER" the groups ? | 18:49 |
| SlickNik | +1 on the lazy loading. I have a couple other comments, I'll add them to gerrit :) | 18:50 |
| hub_cap | SnowDust: u register the opts/group _in_ the file | 18:50 |
| robertmyers | +1 | 18:50 |
| hub_cap | whih i thought u were doing already | 18:50 |
| hub_cap | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/80061/5/trove/guestagent/datastore/cassandra/options.py | 18:50 |
| hub_cap | see you are already registering the group and opts | 18:51 |
| hub_cap | so if u just completely remove all the code from cfg, itll work | 18:51 |
| kevinconway | hub_cap: all the code?!? | 18:51 |
| hub_cap | ALLL | 18:51 |
| SnowDust | i dont get | 18:51 |
| hub_cap | SnowDust: offline | 18:51 |
| hub_cap | lets move on we have 9 min heh | 18:51 |
| SnowDust | until u register a group | 18:52 |
| SnowDust | how do u use the group options ? | 18:52 |
| hub_cap | SnowDust: offline | 18:52 |
| hub_cap | lets move on we have 9 min heh | 18:52 |
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| hub_cap | #topic remove mockito | 18:52 |
| SnowDust | hub_cap i do register them in the options.py of datastore module | 18:52 |
| SnowDust | yes | 18:52 |
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| hub_cap | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/remove-mockito | 18:52 |
| SnowDust | but we need to import the group in cfg | 18:52 |
| hub_cap | so whos doing this? | 18:52 |
| SnowDust | so that cfg.CONF | 18:52 |
| SnowDust | can then be used to call them | 18:52 |
| hub_cap | SnowDust: offline | 18:52 |
| hub_cap | SnowDust: offline!!!! | 18:52 |
| SnowDust | using CONF.mysql.root_on_create etc | 18:52 |
| SnowDust | hub_cap ? | 18:52 |
| hub_cap | SnowDust: offline!!!! | 18:52 |
| SnowDust | hub_cap sure ! | 18:52 |
| SnowDust | hub_cap : sure ! | 18:52 |
| SnowDust | thanks ALL :) | 18:53 |
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| hub_cap | SnowDust: u will have to reiterate Q offline plz | 18:53 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: is this u? | 18:53 |
| SlickNik | yup, I added this | 18:53 |
| hub_cap | whos tackling removing mockito? | 18:53 |
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| juice | i can lend a hand | 18:53 |
| SlickNik | I looked into this yesterday, probably gonna be juice and me. | 18:54 |
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| hub_cap | cool, anything to add to it? | 18:54 |
| SlickNik | Lots of mockito in the tests, probably gonna take 2-3 days to get it done. | 18:54 |
| hub_cap | yea for sure | 18:54 |
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| esp | SlickNik: is there any plan to remove mox? | 18:55 |
| juice | esp: I guess mox is still in the mix | 18:55 |
| SlickNik | esp: right now it's not an issue since mox exists in the global_requirements. | 18:55 |
| robertmyers | do we use mox? | 18:55 |
| juice | but we shouldn't do it | 18:55 |
| juice | robertmyers: I think there was some mox in the trove code | 18:55 |
| esp | robertmyers: I think there is some unit tests in python-troveclient that may use mox | 18:55 |
| SlickNik | robertmyers: I haven't seen it in many places; but I haven't looked too hard. | 18:55 |
| esp | is the one from google I believe | 18:56 |
| robertmyers | let not use it | 18:56 |
| esp | *it's | 18:56 |
| SlickNik | Timeline wise, I think we might have to do this before the icehouse cut. | 18:56 |
| esp | robertmyers: +1 | 18:56 |
| hub_cap | yes SlickNik lets focus on mockito | 18:56 |
| hub_cap | and make esp do the mox stuff | 18:56 |
| hub_cap | ;) | 18:56 |
| SlickNik | esp: thanks! :) | 18:56 |
| esp | hehe | 18:56 |
| esp | np | 18:57 |
| SlickNik | that's all I had. | 18:57 |
| juice | i have to run - talk to you guys later | 18:58 |
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| SlickNik | juice: I'll catch you offline to chat about mockito. | 18:58 |
| SlickNik | thanks! | 18:58 |
| hub_cap | ok so the last topic | 18:59 |
| hub_cap | no time | 18:59 |
| esp | lol | 18:59 |
| hub_cap | who put it on? | 18:59 |
| hub_cap | we can move to #openstack-trove to discuss | 18:59 |
| hub_cap | anyone? | 18:59 |
| SnowDust | yep | 18:59 |
| hub_cap | ok so if anyone wants to discuss container vs join, goto the channel | 19:00 |
| hub_cap | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 19 19:00:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-03-19-18.02.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-03-19-18.02.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-03-19-18.02.log.html | 19:00 |
| SlickNik | Thanks guys! | 19:00 |
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| SnowDust | Thanks again to all | 19:00 |
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