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| alcabrera | o/ | 15:00 |
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| sriram | \o | 15:00 |
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| flwang | o/ | 15:00 |
| balajiiyer | o/ | 15:01 |
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| flaper87 | o/ | 15:02 |
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| kgriffs | #topic Marconi | 15:04 |
| kgriffs | #startmeeting Marconi | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 18 15:04:30 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kgriffs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Marconi)" | 15:04 | |
| flaper87 | erm, you've to start the meeting | 15:04 |
| alcabrera | yaaay | 15:04 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'marconi' | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | w00t | 15:04 |
| alcabrera | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | guntss gungts gungts | 15:04 |
| alcabrera | we have a lovely schedule today | 15:04 |
| kgriffs | yes | 15:04 |
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| kgriffs | I'm sure we will get done early. ;) | 15:05 |
| malini | o/ | 15:05 |
| kgriffs | #topic roll call | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: Marconi)" | 15:05 | |
| kgriffs | o/ | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:05 |
| sriram | o/ | 15:05 |
| alcabrera | \o/ | 15:05 |
| balajiiyer | o/ | 15:05 |
| malini | o/ - for real now | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | \o/ | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | \o/ | 15:05 |
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| mpanetta | ~o~ | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | mpanetta: you break dancing ? | 15:06 |
| balajiiyer | I would like to take this opportunity and introduce Sriram! | 15:06 |
| mpanetta | ;) | 15:06 |
| malini | welcome back Sriram!! | 15:06 |
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| alcabrera | w00t | 15:06 |
| sriram | hey guys! :) | 15:06 |
| kgriffs | wilkommen! | 15:07 |
| balajiiyer | Sriram joined us full-time recently and is no stranger to Marconi. He spent some time while he was interning with us. | 15:07 |
| * kgriffs thinks he came back just for the jokes in #openstack-marconi | 15:07 | |
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| malini | :D | 15:08 |
| sriram | yeah, was a good time. Looking forward to getting back into the groove again :D | 15:08 |
| kgriffs | sriram: excellent, glad to have you back, man | 15:08 |
| kgriffs | ...without that pesky "college" thing getting in the way this time. ;) | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | sriram: welcome :D | 15:08 |
| sriram | kgriffs: haha :) | 15:09 |
| kgriffs | #topic Atlanta Summit | 15:09 |
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| sriram | flaper87: thank you! :) | 15:09 |
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| kgriffs | so, summit | 15:09 |
| kgriffs | talks? | 15:09 |
| alcabrera | yup - that's a thing, and it's coming soon-ish | 15:09 |
| alcabrera | we've submitted (afaik) two sessions | 15:09 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera: so, the talk and workshop were submitted? | 15:10 |
| alcabrera | yup! | 15:10 |
| kgriffs | ok | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | we're all set | 15:10 |
| alcabrera | Marconi: Please Leave a Message and Hands-on w/ Marconi | 15:10 |
| sriram | cool! | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | we now need votes | 15:10 |
| kgriffs | I looked at the latest draft on the etherpad and it seems like the talk is going to be all about teh features? | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | and prepare to whatever is comming | 15:10 |
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| alcabrera | kgriffs: that's mostly the case - :what's the future look like?: | 15:11 |
| ametts | I can spread the word for votes here in Atlanta. | 15:11 |
| kgriffs | It would be cool if we could somehow show the features in action or translated to real-world use cases rather than just spending 40 min hand-waving | 15:11 |
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| kgriffs | anyway, that's my $0.02 | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | TBH, I'm kinda wishing that just the workshop will get accepted. The reason is that I think that'll be our best chance to showcase marconi | 15:11 |
| ametts | kgriffs says that for every summit :) | 15:11 |
| sriram | building a model supply chain using the queues would be super cool :) | 15:11 |
| kgriffs | I haven't checked yet, but has voting opened already? | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: nop | 15:11 |
| alcabrera | #note Marconi: Please Leave a Message - chock full of demo power | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | we can still change the abstract | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | AFAIK | 15:12 |
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| kgriffs | ok, I guess we can see what happens. If both are accepted, Hopefully the talk will get scheduled before the workshop and can serve for advertising | 15:12 |
| alcabrera | I hope so, too. That'd be ideal. | 15:13 |
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| ametts | Maybe we could showcase a real customer. | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | ametts: I think that would be great for the talk! | 15:13 |
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| kgriffs | megan_w: ^^^ | 15:14 |
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| balajiiyer | kgriffs: I will talk to Megan about this | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | awesome! | 15:15 |
| kgriffs | ok, so it looks like several of us will need to carve out some time to work on content once the votes are in, assuming *something* is accepted. | 15:15 |
| alcabrera | +1 | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 15:15 |
| balajiiyer | +1 | 15:15 |
| ametts | That's what May 11th is for :) | 15:15 |
| kgriffs | #action balajiiyer to follow up with Megan and get us a case study for the summit talk | 15:15 |
| kgriffs | ametts: lol | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | ametts: it could also be May 16th, it depends on when the talk is scheduled | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:16 |
| alcabrera | lol | 15:16 |
| ametts | flaper87: Good point. | 15:16 |
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| kgriffs | moving on... | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | design sessions | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | everyone be thinking about topics for those | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | I have | 15:16 |
| balajiiyer | I would love to host a design session on notifications | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | +1 | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | balajiiyer: +1 | 15:17 |
| sriram | yeah that would be great. | 15:17 |
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| kgriffs | we had talked about proposing a cross-team session on versioning APIs | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | I think June is a great time to start the work on notifications | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: I've heard that probably that will happen | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: in that case the session won't count as Marconi's but cross-project | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | also, flaper87 you probably want to do one around your work with API architecture, schemas, and stuff | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: yep! | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | yeah and I'd like to add queue flavors | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | ah yes | 15:18 |
| alcabrera | queue flavors will be exciting! | 15:18 |
| sriram | queue flavors? | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | I strongly believe we should kick the work there off | 15:18 |
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| alcabrera | sriram: it's a declarative way to handle message storage. If you declare a queue with a 'fast' flavor, it might be the case that a redis-like backend will be chosen for you. | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | sriram: TL;DR: Allow to create different queues based on flavor tags | 15:19 |
| alcabrera | similarly for 'durable', etc | 15:20 |
| sriram | whoa, this is awesome! :D | 15:20 |
| alcabrera | it's applicable in a sharded context | 15:20 |
| alcabrera | :) | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | ok, those are the 2 I'd like to proposa and perhaps talk about fi they're accepted | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | propose* | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: knock knock ? | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | is my internet connection working? | 15:21 |
| mpanetta | yes | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | kk, sounds like we have some good ideas. Let's keep brainstorming and everyone feel free to submit session topics when that opens | 15:22 |
| alcabrera | +1 - let's talk more design sessions when those open up | 15:22 |
| balajiiyer | +1 | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | #topic SQL Alchemy | 15:22 |
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| alcabrera | so, lovely progress here, thanks to the efforts of flaper87 and ykaplan! | 15:23 |
| balajiiyer | awesome | 15:23 |
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| alcabrera | we have one patch in the review queue for each of the needed controllers | 15:23 |
| alcabrera | shards, catalogue, claims, messages, queues | 15:23 |
| alcabrera | they all need some work, a little more love | 15:23 |
| alcabrera | but we're close | 15:24 |
| alcabrera | very close | 15:24 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: I'd appreciate your reviews there too, esp. to sanity-check schema and stuff since you have SQL ninja skills | 15:24 |
| balajiiyer | kgriffs: ok | 15:24 |
| kgriffs | rock on | 15:24 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera: any help/action you guys need besides reviews? | 15:25 |
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| alcabrera | hmm | 15:26 |
| alcabrera | reviews, mostly | 15:26 |
| kgriffs | ok | 15:26 |
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| alcabrera | I think that'll take care of the bulk of the work | 15:26 |
| alcabrera | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/marconi+topic:bp/sql-storage-driver,n,z | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | yeah | 15:26 |
| alcabrera | for reference | 15:26 |
| kgriffs | let's git-r-done | 15:26 |
| alcabrera | #note sql-driver needs reviews : all controllers are in the review queue | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | so, the work is pretty much done, ykaplan is making sure unittets are all set | 15:26 |
| alcabrera | #note great progress | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: isn't it #info ? | 15:26 |
| alcabrera | hmmm | 15:26 |
| alcabrera | I think you're right | 15:26 |
| alcabrera | :P | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:27 |
| alcabrera | #info sql-driver needs reviews : all controllers are in the review queue | 15:27 |
| alcabrera | #info great progress | 15:27 |
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| kgriffs | #topic Pecan evaluation | 15:27 |
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| kgriffs | balajiiyer, alcabrera | 15:27 |
| alcabrera | oh goodness - so much to say here | 15:27 |
| alcabrera | balajiiyer: want to open this up for us? | 15:27 |
| * flaper87 takes his lightsaber off | 15:27 | |
| balajiiyer | alcabrera: you start off with your comments, I will support it with the doc I have written :) | 15:28 |
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| alcabrera | kk | 15:28 |
| alcabrera | well... | 15:28 |
| alcabrera | hmm... | 15:28 |
| alcabrera | So balajiiyer and I gave it a strong effort to see how we might support marconi under pecan | 15:28 |
| alcabrera | It was painful, to say the least | 15:29 |
| alcabrera | Objectively describing those pains is the challenging part | 15:29 |
| alcabrera | I think, probably, the one thing that made it difficult to provide a modular solution, was pecan's object-based routing system | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | is it kinda like how some people just "get" recursion, but other's don't, based on how your brain works? | 15:29 |
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| kgriffs | </random-thought> | 15:30 |
| alcabrera | That might be part of the case. | 15:30 |
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| malini | we should also compare the number of github stars ;) | 15:30 |
| alcabrera | And working with an object-based routing system might be okay over the long run | 15:30 |
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| alcabrera | and it even *seemed* like it would help modularization | 15:30 |
| alcabrera | except | 15:30 |
| kgriffs | malini: that might imply that more people's brains work like Falcon than Pecans. ;) | 15:30 |
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| alcabrera | the way to establish a RootController (which handles '/') | 15:30 |
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| alcabrera | doesn't allow for arguments to be passed in | 15:31 |
| alcabrera | so | 15:31 |
| alcabrera | things like storage, configuration, and caching | 15:31 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: did you guys push this code somewhere? | 15:31 |
| alcabrera | thsoe suddenly become globals | 15:31 |
| alcabrera | balajiiyer: link to repo? | 15:31 |
| flaper87 | can I ask something? or do you want to finish up your comments first ? | 15:31 |
| balajiiyer | https://github.com/balajiiyer/marconi/tree/Pecan | 15:31 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera: can those not be somehow attached to per-request context? | 15:32 |
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| flaper87 | alcabrera: At this point I'm mainly curious about: | 15:32 |
| alcabrera | flaper87: I'll answer kgriffs' question then you go. :) | 15:32 |
| alcabrera | so | 15:32 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: no. Request objects are globally imported. | 15:32 |
| kgriffs | I suppose they could via a hook or something, but probably hacky | 15:32 |
| alcabrera | from pecan import request | 15:32 |
| balajiiyer | This is a WIP, queues controller is fully implemented, working on messages controller | 15:32 |
| alcabrera | flaper87: what are your thoughts? | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | 1. What did it mean in terms of implementation details to support Pecan? How much did the API implementation had to change and whether it was improved or not by using Pecan? | 15:33 |
| alcabrera | hmmmm | 15:33 |
| balajiiyer | It didnt look like an improvement to me. | 15:33 |
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| alcabrera | so, the way it was headed, it would've been a single file implementation | 15:34 |
| flaper87 | 2. Do we depend on all the serialization methods / objects provided by pecan? | 15:34 |
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| kgriffs | That implies WSME, nicht? | 15:34 |
| balajiiyer | flaper87: pecan doesnt offer serialization natively, will use WSME for that | 15:34 |
| alcabrera | re 1: there's no support for PATCH or HEAD | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | balajiiyer: yeah, sorry, I meant to ask if we depend on WSME objects | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | pecan has json support: http://pecan.readthedocs.org/en/latest/pecan_jsonify.html?highlight=json#module-pecan.jsonify | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | you don't need to use wxme | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | wsme | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: awesome, thanks | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | so, that's something we can improve in the implementation | 15:35 |
| balajiiyer | Pecan's json serialization effort with jsonify might work for small projects | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | in case you guys didn't know that | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | balajiiyer: if you have your own serializer, that works too | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | I'm just correcting factual misstatements | 15:36 |
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| alcabrera | dhellmann: thanks! | 15:36 |
| balajiiyer | dhellmann: got it, thanks | 15:36 |
| alcabrera | what else... | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | ah | 15:37 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: balajiiyer I think you guys should talk to ryanpetrello, dhellmann and see if the implementation you have can be improved | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | I haven't quite figured out how to represent particular queue objects | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | so, /v1/queues/{queue} | 15:37 |
| flaper87 | I really want to make sure we're doing things right with Pecan | 15:37 |
| kgriffs | +1 | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | alcabrera: did you look at the way ceilometer manages meters? | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | dhellmann: no | 15:38 |
| alcabrera | I've glanced at the ceilometer project, so far | 15:38 |
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| dhellmann | alcabrera: check out the MetersController and MeterController in http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/ceilometer/tree/ceilometer/api/controllers/v2.py | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | alcabrera: the _lookup() method in MetersController was working around a bug which has since been fixed in pecan, so that's not needed | 15:39 |
| alcabrera | ah, overriding _lookup | 15:39 |
| alcabrera | that makes sense | 15:39 |
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| dhellmann | you don't actually need that, you can use get() or get_one() | 15:39 |
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| alcabrera | I see. | 15:39 |
| alcabrera | it's definitely a very different way of thinking than with falcon, so that's some relearning to do. :) | 15:40 |
| alcabrera | I'm surprised that | 15:40 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: you hadn't done much with falcon before, so is it less "relearning" and just "learning" for you? | 15:41 |
| alcabrera | All of ceilometer's API seems to be implemented in a single file | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | alcabrera: it's fairly small | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | but that's not a requirement, it just worked out that way | 15:41 |
| ryanpetrello | kgriffs: awhile back, I shared w/ you a subclass of the Pecan routing that I'd written | 15:41 |
| ryanpetrello | that uses Falcon's style of routing rather than object dispatch | 15:41 |
| ryanpetrello | do you recall that link? I believe it was a gist, and am trying to find it | 15:42 |
| kgriffs | hmmm | 15:42 |
| * kgriffs goes to look | 15:42 | |
| ryanpetrello | if it's the object dispatch routing that bothers you all, it's not so difficult to do it another way | 15:42 |
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| balajiiyer | kgriffs: yeah, "learning" part was mostly trying to figure out how to fit it in the context of Marconi. | 15:42 |
| ryanpetrello | as for the comments on global configuration, global req+resp objects, that *is* an intended feature of pecan | 15:43 |
| ryanpetrello | and it uses threadlocals, in much the same way that e.g., flask does | 15:43 |
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| alcabrera | hmmm | 15:43 |
| ryanpetrello | so it's different from the approach that e.g., pyramid uses, where you have req and resp arguments passed to every controller | 15:43 |
| alcabrera | why is it an intended feature of pecan, to expose those things as globals, especially req/resp? | 15:44 |
| ryanpetrello | mostly for convenience | 15:44 |
| ryanpetrello | because of the @expose() serialization approach in pecan | 15:44 |
| kgriffs | ryanpetrello: ok, so sounds like that approach is baked into Pecan's philosophy, which reflects the broader Python community camps of global/thread-local vs. arg passing | 15:44 |
| ryanpetrello | how you generally have a controller returning a dictionary | 15:44 |
| ryanpetrello | it's not as common to interact with the response directly | 15:44 |
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| ryanpetrello | you don't have to manually do a response.body = serialize_json(...) | 15:45 |
| ryanpetrello | it's handled by the @expose decorator | 15:45 |
| alcabrera | I see. | 15:45 |
| kgriffs | interesting | 15:45 |
| ryanpetrello | so given that many pecan controllers don't interact w/ the req/resp directly (the framework does it for you) | 15:45 |
| ryanpetrello | these objects are provided in thread local context for situations where you *do* want to monkey with them | 15:45 |
| ryanpetrello | e.g., setting custom response headers | 15:45 |
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| oz_akan_ | team, I need help with feedbacks on this https://stackedit.io/viewer#!provider=gist&gistId=9071601&filename=marconi-installation-guide | 15:46 |
| oz_akan_ | that is marconi installation guide, that I am writing | 15:46 |
| ryanpetrello | kgriffs: re your comment on philosophy, yes, exactly that | 15:46 |
| oz_akan_ | need to finish today, so not state of art | 15:46 |
| kgriffs | oz_akan_: kk, stand by and we'll give you the floor in a minute | 15:47 |
| ryanpetrello | okay, found that code, kgriffs | 15:47 |
| alcabrera | ryanpetrello: thanks for searching! | 15:47 |
| ryanpetrello | https://github.com/ryanpetrello/falcon/commit/a380bafdec6b8217edb6a59cebd94dfd3b408ecb | 15:47 |
| ryanpetrello | I tinkered on this around the last summit | 15:47 |
| kgriffs | #link https://github.com/ryanpetrello/falcon/commit/a380bafdec6b8217edb6a59cebd94dfd3b408ecb | 15:47 |
| ryanpetrello | sse falcon/bench/nuts.py | 15:47 |
| ryanpetrello | it's a subclass of the Pecan app that does Falcon-style routing | 15:48 |
| ryanpetrello | this is just a naive example (it uses Falcon code, in fact) | 15:48 |
| kgriffs | kk | 15:48 |
| ryanpetrello | but it just goes to show that you don't *have to* use the object dispatch if you don't want it | 15:48 |
| alcabrera | that's very good to know | 15:48 |
| kgriffs | yep | 15:48 |
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| alcabrera | so, next steps for pecan - are there any specific questions we'd like to see addressed with further evaluation? | 15:49 |
| kgriffs | so, we need to consider all the factors. If it comes down to object dispatch, then we have a workaround there. | 15:49 |
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| kgriffs | alcabrera: I still want to see benchmarks | 15:49 |
| mpanetta | +1 | 15:50 |
| balajiiyer | kgriffs: yes, I will working on it, now that I have a controller working | 15:50 |
| balajiiyer | *I will be | 15:50 |
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| kgriffs | ryanpetrello: Doing a bit of modification to the router layer is cool; what I don't want to see happen is we go down the rabbit hole of basically rewriting Falcon inside Pecan; then it's like, what's the point? | 15:50 |
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| dhellmann | kgriffs: +1 | 15:51 |
| alcabrera | #note pecan evaluation: let's see some benchmarks, marconi:falcon, marconi:pecan | 15:51 |
| alcabrera | #info pecan evaluation: let's see some benchmarks, marconi:falcon, marconi:pecan | 15:51 |
| kgriffs | so other next steps | 15:51 |
| ryanpetrello | kgriffs: +1 | 15:52 |
| ryanpetrello | that said, the routing portion of falcon is pretty simple, certainly more simple than what pecan does | 15:52 |
| ryanpetrello | my concern more lies in a re-implementation of what webob provides | 15:52 |
| alcabrera | what does webob provide? | 15:52 |
| alcabrera | I suppose that's a rather broad question. :P | 15:52 |
| ryanpetrello | a decade of experience and stability :) | 15:53 |
| alcabrera | heh | 15:53 |
| ryanpetrello | and the support of a *much* larger community | 15:53 |
| ryanpetrello | Pyramid | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | I'd like to see alcabrera and balajiiyer look at ceilometer and work with ryanpetrello to make sure our POC is done the "Pecan Way" | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | ryanpetrello: so, that is a valid concern, and I don't want to discount that | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | but | 15:53 |
| ryanpetrello | (well, much larger *web framework* community, I should say) | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | there are significant downsides to webob | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | and Falcon has extensive test coverage and is being picked up by a lot of people | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | so, it isn't all black-and-white | 15:54 |
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| kgriffs | I mean, you could make the same argument about Django vs. Pecan | 15:55 |
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| ryanpetrello | yep, very true | 15:55 |
| ryanpetrello | (all true) | 15:55 |
| ryanpetrello | so let me know how I can help w/ reviews and provide feedback | 15:55 |
| ryanpetrello | looking at the implementation I saw above, it looks like you all are on the right track | 15:55 |
| alcabrera | let's submit small patches to gerrit from here on, balajiiyer | 15:56 |
| kgriffs | ryanpetrello: thanks for your support! | 15:56 |
| ryanpetrello | but if there's a sticking point in certain areas of Pecan, ask me, and I'm happy to provide advice on what alternatives might look like | 15:56 |
| ryanpetrello | yup, n | 15:56 |
| ryanpetrello | *np | 15:56 |
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| alcabrera | ryanpetrello: thanks! I appreciate it. Looks like we'll need a lot of help to take advantage of idiomatic pecan. :) | 15:56 |
| kgriffs | also, keep in mind that if it isn't something core to Pecan's design philosophy, we have the opportunity to send pull requests. :) | 15:56 |
| balajiiyer | that would be my next question - I was thinking this will be like a POC, not necessarily belongs in Marconi master. kgriffs do you want me to submit patches for pecan work? | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: hmmm, well. | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | You could always submit it flagged as WIP so we can all see it | 15:57 |
| alcabrera | +1 | 15:58 |
| balajiiyer | Pecan is now a separate transport driver so it doesnt interfere with any other modules, so that could work | 15:58 |
| alcabrera | marconi.queues.transport.pecan | 15:58 |
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| alcabrera | we're almost out of time - any other thoughts? :) | 15:59 |
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| kgriffs | man, where's the time go?! | 15:59 |
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| alcabrera | flaper87 ate it | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | final thought | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | please review api v1.1 stuff | 16:00 |
| sriram | +1 | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | adrian_otto: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | thanks everyone! | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | ttfn | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 18 16:00:49 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-02-18-15.04.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-02-18-15.04.txt | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-02-18-15.04.log.html | 16:00 |
| alcabrera | I'll record the minutes. | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 18 16:00:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2014-02-18_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:01 | |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:01 |
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| stannie | Pierre Padrixe | 16:01 |
| funzo | Chris Alfonso | 16:01 |
| paulmo | Paul Montgomery | 16:01 |
| nmarchenko | Nikita Marchenko | 16:01 |
| muralia | murali allada | 16:01 |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 16:01 |
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| julienvey | Julien Vey | 16:02 |
| aratim | Arati Mahimane | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | hello amotoki | 16:02 |
| tomblank | tom blankenship | 16:03 |
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| coolsvap | Swapnil | 16:03 |
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| noorul | Noorul Islam | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | If anyone else would like to be recorded in the roll, you are welcome to chime in at any time during the meeting | 16:04 |
| paulczar | Paul Czarkowski | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | welcome everyone!! | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:05 | |
| adrian_otto | Solum Summit Registration (Tuesday, March 25, 2014 to Wednesday, March 26, 2014) | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/Summit Find Link to registration here | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | please take a moment to register for the Summit | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | funzo: are we expecting kraman today? | 16:06 |
| funzo | adrian_otto: I haven't been in touch with him this am....let me reach out to him | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | I wanted to extend my thanks to our Red Hat team members for hosting this Summit event | 16:07 |
| funzo | not on irc | 16:07 |
| funzo | adrian_otto: i'll take the credit :) | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | sweet, please extend our gratitude | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | any other announcements from our team members? | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | I'll just say that I'm super pumped about where we are with our progress, and I'm looking forward to this very much! | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:08 |
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| coolsvap | adrian_otto: are we planning anything for remote attendees? | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | coolsvap: yes, indeed | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | I don't think you need to register to attend remotely | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | but we can confirm that as a follow-up | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | adrian_otto to add Deployment workflow bp to our subsequent agenda for review updates (complete) | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | we will cover this BP today | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | adrian_otto to add incubation discussion to next agenda (complete)_ | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | we will discuss this today | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | claytonc had a section of action items | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | claytonc to make sure that https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/BreakoutMeetings links to all logs and minutes from breakout meetings we have held | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | was this completed. We can take a peek to find out | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | have we had LP meetings since Jan 6? I think so, right? | 16:11 |
| devkulkarni | yes, we have had. but not with the usual protocol (i.e. startmeeting, endmeeting, etc.) | 16:11 |
| funzo | ah | 16:11 |
| paulczar | we had one yesterday at a weird time | 16:12 |
| funzo | but there is a git meeting for 2/12 | 16:12 |
| funzo | er, entry | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | #action claytonc to make sure that https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/BreakoutMeetings links to all logs and minutes from breakout meetings we have held | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so I will carry that action forward | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: devkulkarni to make a new blueprint for language pack selection that would have a dependency link relation with specify-lang-pack | 16:12 |
| devkulkarni | this is incomplete. I will do this soon. | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | ok, carrying that forward | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | #action devkulkarni to make a new blueprint for language pack selection that would have a dependency link relation with specify-lang-pack | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | thanks | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | muralia to review https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MinimalCLI to verify that everything for M1 is tracked, and | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | placed into the appropriate blueprints. | 16:13 |
| muralia | I went through the etherpad personally and i feel like at a high level we have everything covered. | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | I also had a supporting action for this | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | muralia: did you need any further support from me on this? | 16:14 |
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| muralia | I might need help with flushing out details as we link tasks to specific blueprints | 16:14 |
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| muralia | most blueprints are empty right now. i'll work with owners to add details going forward | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | would you like me to track that with an action item, or will you just ping me when you need a peek? | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | ^^ muralia | 16:15 |
| muralia | do add an action item so we can discuss it in our meetings | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to support muralia for review of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MinimalCLI (for tasks specific to blueprints) | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | look ok? | 16:15 |
| muralia | yup | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | ok, anything more on administrativia? | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | if not, we can proceed to BPs | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Blueprints: https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/milestone-1 | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/api Solum API (aotto) | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | I am really pleased with the progress over the past week | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | my favorite | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | Our API is actually working: https://review.openstack.org/73949 | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | we have code that demonstrates the creation of an assembly and a simple build | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | that's an exciting milestone | 16:17 |
| tomblank | cool! that is a great milestone... | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | thanks to all of us for advancing on these things | 16:18 |
| tomblank | well done everyone... | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | I have a feeling we will see a bunch more achievements like this one | 16:18 |
| paulczar | that's fantastic! | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | I'm sure asalkeld was pretty happy to post that review too! | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thoughts/questions on API development? | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, next BP | 16:19 |
| paulczar | lets fasttrack the reviewed and merge of it :) | 16:19 |
| devkulkarni | Update on minimal-cli bp: | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-minimal-cli Command Line Interface for Solum (devdatta-kulkarni) | 16:20 |
| tomblank | paulczar: +1... let's get this functionality in and then build on it... | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | paulczar: +1 | 16:20 |
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| paulczar | challenge: merge this review before Angus wakes up today | 16:20 |
| noorul | I have patch in review queue that needs an update | 16:20 |
| devkulkarni | We are working through the details of CLI to API integration based on the patches that noorul has submitted | 16:20 |
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| noorul | I might find time this week to do that | 16:21 |
| devkulkarni | noorul: which one is that? | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | paulczar: I am sure that can be arranged | 16:21 |
| devkulkarni | noorul: cool!! | 16:21 |
| noorul | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72105/ | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | ok, any more on solum-minimal-cli? | 16:22 |
| devkulkarni | noorul: will take a look. | 16:22 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: that is all. | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | Our next BP is actually two that we plan to update together: | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-git-pull Pull integration of Solum from an external Git repo (kraman) | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | + | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-zuul-integration Solum integration with Zuul (devdatta-kulkarni) | 16:22 |
| devkulkarni | I have updates on the second: | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | great discussion on the ML, I thought | 16:23 |
| devkulkarni | 1) I have completed adding initial set of tests. 2) We haven't yet posted the patches to the Zuul upstream. 3) I think we should remove these bps from M1 tracking (since I think we agreed that for M1 we would not be able to get to Zuul based workflow). | 16:24 |
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| tomblank | devkulkarni: do you know when #2 will be completed? | 16:25 |
| devkulkarni | I was thinking that for the first bp (pull integration of Solum from external git repo), we can do that independent of Zuul setup | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, let's take these one at a time | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | #1 | 16:25 |
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| devkulkarni | tomblank: don't have a timeline yet. | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | thank you devkulkarni for your work on that! | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | #2 | 16:25 |
| devkulkarni | So bp #1: | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | are you willing to take that as an action item to drive for this week> | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | ? | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | ^^devkulkarni or tomblank | 16:26 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: yes, I will (I have been in touch with kraman about it) | 16:26 |
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| devkulkarni | just need to sync up about where we are. | 16:26 |
| devkulkarni | I am going to follow up again | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | #action devkulkarni to follow up with kraman and submit zuul patches upstream for review | 16:26 |
| devkulkarni | going back to bp #1 | 16:27 |
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| devkulkarni | I think the high-level goal can be achieved without Zuul workflow. | 16:27 |
| devkulkarni | So may be it will be good to separate that bp out from bp #2. I know I had suggested earlier to club them together. But that might have been a mistake. | 16:28 |
| devkulkarni | by doing that we can remove #2 from milestone-1 tracking as well. | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so let's take a moment to restate the goal | 16:28 |
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| adrian_otto | it's actually not clearly articulated in the first BP | 16:29 |
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| adrian_otto | "This blueprint targets the functionality to pull source code from an external Git repository into Solum." | 16:29 |
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| adrian_otto | our reference to "further processing" is vauge | 16:30 |
| devkulkarni | we can refine that.. | 16:30 |
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| adrian_otto | I just marked that one as direction approved | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | I would like to get a more crisp statement of the scope so we have no ambiguity about what is expected for M1 with relation to this. | 16:31 |
| devkulkarni | okay. I can do that. | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: thanks | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | now, to the assertion that zuul is not required to achieve this. | 16:32 |
| devkulkarni | I would add "for m1" | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | I do agree, that it's not required. We did discuss this topic in http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/026981.html and got a considerable range of feedback | 16:32 |
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| adrian_otto | my interests are to help us focus on getting our first iteration ready | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | and not accumulate a burden of technical debt for later. | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | are we in agreement that an approach without Zuul for M1 strikes this balance? | 16:33 |
| paulczar | +1 | 16:33 |
| julienvey | yes | 16:34 |
| stannie | +1 | 16:34 |
| devkulkarni | yes | 16:34 |
| tomblank | adrian_otto: yes | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, are there any opposing viewpoints for us to consider? | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, observing no opposing viewpoints, I'm going to record an agreement. | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | Does this look good to everyone: "#agreed we will proceed to complete https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-git-pull for M1 without using Zuul, revisiting Zuul for adding additional functionality" | 16:36 |
| julienvey | lgtm | 16:37 |
| devkulkarni | looks good to me. | 16:37 |
| stannie | yep | 16:37 |
| tomblank | yes | 16:37 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, thanks | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | #agreed we will proceed to complete https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-git-pull for M1 without using Zuul, revisiting Zuul for adding additional functionality | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | Note: we do expect to use Zuul, or a functional equivalent to allow more compressive set of CI features as we iterate. | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | as we have to intent to re-implement such a system without a very good reason | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | ok, any more thoughts on this BP? | 16:39 |
| devkulkarni | yes, and we should continue to keep that long term view in mind when deciding features and options | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to retarget https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-zuul-integration for a subsequent milestone | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | thanks devkulkarni. ok, next BP | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/specify-lang-pack Specify the language pack to be used for app deploy (devdatta-kulkarni) | 16:40 |
| devkulkarni | Updates on this is that aratim has been working hard to get the DB model finished. | 16:41 |
| devkulkarni | Should be done in couple of days. | 16:41 |
| devkulkarni | There was an email that she had sent out to the ML asking opinions about the model. | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | link? | 16:41 |
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| devkulkarni | don't have handy. let me find out.. | 16:42 |
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| adrian_otto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027072.html | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | ok, team members please consider this thread and post your comments at your earliest convenience. | 16:42 |
| devkulkarni | The current plan is to go with option 2 | 16:42 |
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| adrian_otto | yes, I'm happy with 2 provided we track that as technical debt in a wishlist bug | 16:42 |
| devkulkarni | makes sense.. | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | as dropping JSON blobs into SQL databases is a known anti-pattern | 16:43 |
| devkulkarni | good point. I will make sure to track this as a wishlist bug | 16:43 |
| devkulkarni | that is all as far as the updates go on this bp | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: thanks. I have been creating those bugs as we intentionally accept tech debt | 16:44 |
| paulczar | adrian_otto: I would only classify it as an anti-pattern if we try and post-process that json data in a SQL-like manner | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | to my delight, our team has been picking those up and working them rather than letting them rot | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | so that process is working nicely | 16:44 |
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| adrian_otto | paulczar: agreed. | 16:44 |
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| adrian_otto | it's the precursor to the anti-pattern | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | ok, devkulkarni any more on this BP? | 16:45 |
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| devkulkarni | no, that will be all | 16:45 |
| paulczar | yeah, I do agree we should track it, I think we should also spell out in option 2 that we need to avoid doing that … I'm not sure it's 100% clear in the email | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | paulczar: please reply to the ML thread accordingly, as I will too | 16:46 |
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| adrian_otto | I know that's what Arati meant, but we could make that intent crisp. | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/logging Logging Architecture (paulmo) | 16:46 |
| paulmo | Still going. I need to make some non-trival changes from a recent review. | 16:47 |
| aratim | +1 adrian_otto | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | paulmo: thanks. Do you need anything from members of the team on that one, or are you all set? | 16:47 |
| paulmo | Just help getting in merge-able. This isn't a straight forward process. | 16:48 |
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| paulmo | it | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thanks! | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/deploy-workflow Workflow outlining deployment of a DU (asalkeld/devdatta-kulkarni) | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | I mentioned progress toward this earlier | 16:48 |
| devkulkarni | The main update is that: the heat stack creation part is still being fleshed out | 16:48 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: yes, asalkeld's review is part of it | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | ok, that wil be super exciting! | 16:49 |
| devkulkarni | that does not yet do stack creation though | 16:49 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, for the next topic I wold like to timebox our discussion | 16:49 |
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| adrian_otto | to <= 10 mins here. and we can take it to the ML if we do not finish | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Incubation Discussion | 16:49 |
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| adrian_otto | last meeting we fielded this as a question during open discussion. | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | when we introduced Solum we positioned it as OpenStack Related | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | we can revisit the positioning if the members prefer that we state an intent to position for incubation | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | what are your thoughts on this? | 16:51 |
| devkulkarni | never a bad idea. but I think it is a bit too early. personally, I feel we should get to m1 without whole lot of distractions with a great end-to-end user experience and then think about it. | 16:51 |
| julienvey | devkulkarni: I agree | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: I think we can all agree that it's not time to file for incubation until we have more functionality | 16:52 |
| stannie | what kind of distraction would that include ? | 16:52 |
| devkulkarni | stannie: frankly, I don't know. but it will surely lead to lot of ML activity.. | 16:52 |
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| adrian_otto | but in response to Noorul's questions, I think we could put on our wiki pages an intent to file at that milestone | 16:52 |
| stannie | devkulkarni: ok | 16:52 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: yes | 16:52 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: oh!! so the question was whether to clarify the intent on our wiki. | 16:53 |
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| devkulkarni | that we should definitely do!! | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | that approach may cause less confusion if that direction is more appropriate for us | 16:53 |
| paulmo | What benefit is there in incubating early? | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | paulmo: in our case, I don't think there is an upside | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | but stating an accurate intent could be good | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | as currently we are projecting the opposite impression, which confuses newcomers. | 16:54 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: make sense. I am in support of making the intent clear on our wiki | 16:54 |
| julienvey | maybe we could decide to apply for incubation when m1 is ready and we have something to demo | 16:54 |
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| tomblank | adrian_otto: just to be clear, is the question - should we specifically document our intention to go through incubation at some point in the future? | 16:54 |
| devkulkarni | julienvey: I don't think we are discussing 'when' we should apply for incubation. | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | julienvey: yes, I suppose the questionis do we have stakeholders that feel that we should not do that when we reach that point, and remain a Related project? | 16:55 |
| julienvey | i see | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | this is really a question of should we state that as an intent, and be clear about it. | 16:55 |
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| devkulkarni | +1 to making the intention clear | 16:55 |
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| adrian_otto | would anyone potentially oppose this direction, and want more time to consider it? | 16:56 |
| paulmo | What exactly is the proposal? | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | to update our wiki where we have a reference to "OpenStack Related" and express an intent to file for incubation at a particular milestone | 16:57 |
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| adrian_otto | and we can decide as a team when that time should be. | 16:57 |
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| adrian_otto | Does anyone feel we should table this, and keep everything as is? If not, I can record an "#agreed to change our Wiki content to express an intent to file for incubation upon achievement of additional funcitonality" | 16:59 |
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| coolsvap | i would +1 for making the intent clear on wiki | 16:59 |
| paulmo | I think M1 is too early | 16:59 |
| stannie | +1 | 16:59 |
| paulczar | +1 | 17:00 |
| julienvey | +1 | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we are running a bit too low on time to record this today | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | sorry I did not get to open discussion. | 17:00 |
| tomblank | +1 | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | I will put this on the agenda again for next meeting | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone for your input!! | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 18 17:00:44 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-02-18-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-02-18-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-02-18-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| ativelkov | #startmeeting Murano | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 18 17:02:00 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ativelkov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Murano)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:02 |
| ativelkov | Hi folks, any muranoers here? | 17:02 |
| xwizard_ | Hi | 17:02 |
| stanlagun_ | hi folks | 17:02 |
| dteselkin | Hi | 17:02 |
| sergmelikyan | Hi! | 17:02 |
| sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:02 |
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| ativelkov | Let's start then | 17:03 |
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| ativelkov | As usual, AI review first | 17:03 |
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| ativelkov | #topic AI review | 17:03 |
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| ativelkov | ativelkov to update project roadmap to reflect the metadata repository req's | 17:04 |
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| gokrokve_ | Hi | 17:04 |
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| ativelkov | This is in progress, we are waiting for final input from gokrokve_ for MVP document | 17:04 |
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| ativelkov | gokrokve_: hi, just about time :) | 17:05 |
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| gokrokve_ | I will update MVP document ASAP. | 17:05 |
| ativelkov | Do we have a finalized version of MVP requirements which we may present and modify the BPs? | 17:05 |
| ativelkov | ah, I see | 17:06 |
| ativelkov | #action gokrokve_ to finalize MVP document, ativelkov to complete roadmap planning according to it | 17:06 |
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| ativelkov | next one | 17:07 |
| ativelkov | ativelkov, stanlagun to complete the short abstract for the new DSL and then publish a complete description of Wiki | 17:07 |
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| ativelkov | The document is ready, but not published at wiki yet, as we are gathering the feedback from the community yet | 17:07 |
| stanlagun_ | we decided to temporary postpone it until we get some feedback in ML | 17:07 |
| ativelkov | So, folks present, if you have any feedback on the DSL proposal - this is just a perfect time for that | 17:08 |
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| igormarnat | Speaking of the document - we don't need to wait for anything to publish it. Can do it in etherpad or wiki, but the sooner is the better, right? | 17:09 |
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| ativelkov | igormarnat: well, the abstract is indeed ready for publishing | 17:09 |
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| ativelkov | The language spec itself may be put into etherpad, but it is not final unless we agree on that | 17:10 |
| igormarnat | Sure thing, we'll be editing it along the road | 17:11 |
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| ativelkov | Ok | 17:11 |
| ativelkov | #action ativelkov publish the abstract on wiki | 17:11 |
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| ativelkov | #action ativelkov, stanlagun move spec to wiki and reference in blueprints | 17:12 |
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| tsufiev_ | hi there | 17:12 |
| ativelkov | Actually, it would be hard to put the spec into the etherpad - it has some fancy formatiing, tables etc | 17:13 |
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| stanlagun_ | we can put spec onto wiki and create etherpad for discussions and code snippets. URL of etherpad would also be on wiki | 17:14 |
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| ativelkov | That's a good idea | 17:14 |
| ruhe | or google-doc shared to everyone? | 17:14 |
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| stanlagun_ | is it possible to share google doc to the whole world?\ | 17:15 |
| ativelkov | yes, it is possible | 17:15 |
| ruhe | stanlagun_: yes | 17:15 |
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| ativelkov | but it is a bad practice | 17:15 |
| gokrokve_ | ruhe: We had some issue with google-doc before. | 17:15 |
| ativelkov | as the owner may always close it back ) | 17:15 |
| gokrokve_ | Probably now it wors better. | 17:15 |
| gokrokve_ | Probably now it works better. | 17:15 |
| ativelkov | So, it is not a community-approved approach | 17:15 |
| ativelkov | Also, the corporate policies may forbid doing that as well | 17:16 |
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| ativelkov | I mean, if we use Mirantis's google-drive | 17:16 |
| gokrokve_ | Etherpad or wiki are preferred solutions as they are owned by openstack. | 17:16 |
| ativelkov | gokrokve_: +1 | 17:16 |
| gokrokve_ | Googledoc is an external tool which will work but it is not under openstack community control. | 17:17 |
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| ativelkov | Well, let's get some content first, then we may discuss where to put it ) | 17:17 |
| ativelkov | We didn't get much feedback yet | 17:18 |
| tnurlygayanov___ | +1 for Wiki | 17:18 |
| ativelkov | Are we done on this? | 17:19 |
| stanlagun_ | lets move on | 17:19 |
| ativelkov | I would really appreciate some discussion on the DSL, but.. | 17:19 |
| ativelkov | If nobody have any questions, then it is either too obvious or too complicated..) | 17:20 |
| ativelkov | so, let's move on | 17:20 |
| ativelkov | #topic Oslo Messaging | 17:20 |
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| ativelkov | sergmelikyan: could you please share an update on this? | 17:21 |
| dteselkin | I believe it just need to be used, before asking any other questions | 17:21 |
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| sergmelikyan | ativelkov, nothing new from previous week, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/026843.html | 17:22 |
| dteselkin | I'm about DSL of course :) | 17:22 |
| stanlagun_ | I suggest we use oslo.messaging for API-conductor communications in 0.5 but not use it for conductor-agent ones | 17:23 |
| ativelkov | sergmelikyan, so, our primary concerns are message delivery and queue life management? | 17:23 |
| ativelkov | stanlagun_: and how to communicate with the agent then? | 17:24 |
| sergmelikyan | ativelkov, yes | 17:24 |
| stanlagun_ | the same way we do now. Only maybe replace puka with kombu | 17:24 |
| ativelkov | sounds good | 17:25 |
| ativelkov | BTW, I've got a strange idea abouth this | 17:25 |
| ativelkov | What if we use Marconi for managing this queues? | 17:25 |
| ativelkov | Not in 0.5, but.. generally speaking? | 17:25 |
| ativelkov | VMs are in Openstack's userland, so, message-queue-as-a-service may be a good choise there | 17:26 |
| sergmelikyan | I am not sure, but AFAIK Marconi is a messaging queue with WebAPI, about what queue management you are talking about | 17:26 |
| sergmelikyan | ? | 17:26 |
| ruhe | ativelkov: we're considering Marconi as transport layer for guest agent in Savanna too. But it's far from being ready | 17:26 |
| ativelkov | sergmelikyan: I am talking about agent<->engine communications | 17:27 |
| stanlagun_ | depends on what Marconi can do. I suspect we would need a lot of low-level control over RabbitMQ for tenant/agent isolation - SSL certificate authorization, maybe create vhosts for different tenants in runtime, control message lifetime, use transactions etc | 17:27 |
| ativelkov | WebAPI may be good as it solves the connectivity issues (VMs not always have connection to infra-networks) | 17:27 |
| ativelkov | ruhe can you share some details on that? | 17:28 |
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| ruhe | ativelkov: marconi doesn't yet speak amqp https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi#Will_Marconi_work_with_AMQP.3F | 17:29 |
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| ativelkov | Yeah, then it seems like a long way to go yet.. | 17:30 |
| ativelkov | But we may put this idea somewhere in our roadmap | 17:30 |
| ativelkov | ruhe: what are their incubation status? | 17:30 |
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| ruhe | ativelkov: according to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/graduation it is "Good Progress" :) | 17:32 |
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| ativelkov | Well, this means that we have at least to think about integrating with them | 17:33 |
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| ruhe | but, anyway, i'd suggest to use oslo messaging for communication | 17:34 |
| ativelkov | #action ativelkov research potential Marconi integration for Agent communications | 17:34 |
| ativelkov | ruhe, we have issues with message persistence there | 17:34 |
| ativelkov | If the agent is not running when the message is sent, then the message is likely to be lost | 17:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ativelkov, you can find details about marconi graduation in the tc meeting logs - http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-01-21-20.03.html | 17:35 |
| ativelkov | I.e. the RPC will fail, while the notification will simply be lost forever | 17:35 |
| ruhe | ativelkov: would it be difficult to modify oslo.messaging to remove all the obstacles? is it a big effort? | 17:35 |
| ativelkov | SergeyLukjanov: thanks | 17:35 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, different concepts | 17:36 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, RPC is RPC, messaging is messaging. There is no guaranteed delivery in RPC terms, since there is no message delivery :) | 17:37 |
| ativelkov | I suggest to start migrating slowly. API<->Engine communication can be done easily, I believe. Engine<->Agent may be trickier | 17:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sergmelikyan, in RPC you already have a delivery guarantee | 17:37 |
| ativelkov | RPC requires server to exist | 17:38 |
| ativelkov | at the time when the call is being made | 17:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ativelkov, yup | 17:38 |
| ruhe | ativelkov: sergmelikyan: i will ask Dmitry Mescheryakov to join this discussion. He is implementing guest agent for Savanna and afaik he uses oslo.messaging | 17:38 |
| ativelkov | Our workflows do not have this assumption | 17:38 |
| stanlagun_ | this is also not good for us for security reasons | 17:38 |
| sergmelikyan | SergeyLukjanov, nope, you have call, and it is may happen or not. | 17:38 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, thx! | 17:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ativelkov, is it possible to extract communication code and make it pluggable to be able to add limited oslo.messaging backed engine? | 17:39 |
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| ativelkov | Probably, I need to do some more investigation here | 17:40 |
| stanlagun_ | anyway this doesn't solve security issues | 17:41 |
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| ativelkov | This needs to be coordinate between different projects | 17:42 |
| ativelkov | I am pretty sure that this is a topic of Unified Agent initiative | 17:42 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ativelkov, I | 17:42 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ativelkov, I'm afraid that common approach for Unified Agents will not fit your requirements | 17:43 |
| ativelkov | stanlagun_: what do you mean by security? | 17:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ativelkov, and you need to communicate between services too | 17:43 |
| ativelkov | SergeyLukjanov: then it is not Unified, I guess ) | 17:43 |
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| ruhe | ativelkov: SergeyLukjanov: it would be great to discuss this topic with Dmitry, I believe he will have something interesting to say | 17:44 |
| stanlagun_ | VMs are need do be restricted so that they can't access other queues in any way. This is possible only be controlling RabbitMQ. And thats cannot be done with general purpose framework like oslo.messaging | 17:45 |
| sergmelikyan | ativelkov, we need a way to physically restrict access from VM to a data in messaging queue that not intended to be accessed by that VM | 17:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ativelkov, AFAIK you have some uncommon (for OpenStack at least) message queue usage pattern, that's not needed for all other project, so, in case if agent will work on top on of MQ than it'll use oslo.messaging | 17:45 |
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| ativelkov | ruhe: let's schedule some meeting then | 17:45 |
| sergmelikyan | ativelkov, Any arbitrary code running on VM may have access to oslo.messaging settings and intercept whole cloud communications | 17:46 |
| ruhe | SergeyLukjanov: i believe Murano has the same requirement as Savanna - tenant isolation, and VM isolation | 17:46 |
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| sergmelikyan | ruhe, yep! | 17:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh, just remembered, we have a repo for guestagent poc for savanna - https://github.com/stackforge/savanna-guestagent it's currently empty, but Dmitry is planning to start moving code to it soon | 17:47 |
| stanlagun_ | It is impossible to physically isolate VMs on RabbitMQ side without controlling RabbitMQ ACLs | 17:47 |
| ativelkov | We just have quite a sophisticated system of VM-side commands (called 'execution plans'), but the transport looks pretty-much generic | 17:47 |
| ruhe | and the current approach - is to deploy another rabbitmq for murano<->VM communication. Dmitry wants to have the same approach for Savanna agents | 17:47 |
| stanlagun_ | it would definitely be another RabbitMQ. But we need to isolate different VMs accessing this RabbitMQ | 17:47 |
| ativelkov | So, let's schedule a meeting with Dmitry. Which timezone is he in? | 17:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the problem is that RabbitMQ isn't the standard MQ in OpenStack, Qpid should be supported too at least | 17:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ativelkov, UTC+0400 | 17:48 |
| ativelkov | Good | 17:48 |
| stanlagun_ | yep. QPID is also AMQP. We can use QPID instead of RabbitMQ. We just need low-level control over it | 17:48 |
| sergmelikyan | SergeyLukjanov, Qpid may be supported since has almost same capabilities due to implementation of same protocol, but some extensions available only in RabbitMQ: queue ttl for example | 17:49 |
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| ativelkov | #action ativelkov to schedule a meeting with Dmitry Mescheryakov to discuss agent messaging | 17:49 |
| stanlagun_ | anyway this is private message broker to Murano. So i doesn't metter what exactly broker it is. | 17:49 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | stanlagun_, if you'd like to be a part of OpenStack you should support common OpenStack installation, I know at least two of them - RabbitMQ and Qpid (in RDO), don't know how are using 0mq in prod | 17:50 |
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| stanlagun_ | If it is private separate instance of RabbitMQ (QPID, whatever) it is not part of OpenStack installation anyway | 17:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | stanlagun_, you should read initial discussions about Barbician incubation | 17:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and as sergmelikyan said before, murano depends on some RabbitMQ features (ttl) | 17:53 |
| ruhe | stanlagun_: i believe SergeyLukjanov wanted to say that your code should work on top of common MQ brokers - which are rabbit, zero and qpid. code shouldn't be broker-specific | 17:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, yup | 17:54 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and by "part of OpenStack" I mean being incubated, not installed near the OpenStack | 17:54 |
| ativelkov | Then we may have adapters for different kinds of broker | 17:54 |
| ruhe | or let oslo.messaging to handle broker-specific stuff :) | 17:56 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, AFAIK it was an incubation requirement for Barbician | 17:57 |
| ruhe | yes it was, and it will be for Murano | 17:57 |
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| ativelkov | We are runnig out of time guys | 18:00 |
| ativelkov | let's continue this in private channels | 18:00 |
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| ativelkov | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 18 18:01:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-02-18-17.02.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-02-18-17.02.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-02-18-17.02.log.html | 18:01 |
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| sarob | any congress team online? | 18:18 |
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| matty_dubs | Is this the TripleO party? | 19:00 |
| jistr | yeah, welcome! | 19:01 |
| tzumainn | matty_dubs, did you bring sandwiches? | 19:01 |
| greghaynes | O/ | 19:01 |
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| greghaynes | mmm sandwiches | 19:01 |
| matty_dubs | tzumainn: No, only a cake: | 19:01 |
| matty_dubs | ,,,,, | 19:01 |
| matty_dubs | _|||||_ | 19:01 |
| matty_dubs | {~*~*~*~} | 19:01 |
| matty_dubs | __{*~*~*~*}__ | 19:01 |
| matty_dubs | jgs `-------------` | 19:01 |
| pblaho | sandwitches, hurray \o/ | 19:01 |
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| tzumainn | matty_dubs, hurry up and link to the sandwich options | 19:01 |
| pblaho | matty_dubs: wow... what are we celebrating? | 19:02 |
| lsmola2 | hehe | 19:02 |
| jistr | nothing yet... it's 4:3 | 19:02 |
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| lifeless | hi | 19:03 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 19:03 |
| lifeless | did someone start it ? | 19:03 |
| jdob | o/ | 19:03 |
| lifeless | no, I shall | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:03 |
| bnemec | \o | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 18 19:03:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lifeless. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:03 |
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| lifeless | bugs | 19:03 |
| lifeless | reviews | 19:03 |
| lifeless | Projects needing releases | 19:03 |
| lifeless | CD Cloud status | 19:03 |
| lifeless | CI virtualized testing progress | 19:03 |
| lifeless | Insert one-off agenda items here | 19:03 |
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| jomara | ahoy | 19:04 |
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| lifeless | #topic bugs | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:04 | |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:04 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:04 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:04 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:04 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:04 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:04 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar-ui | 19:04 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:04 |
| lifeless | now, I'm being pulled to #openstack-meeting to talk about the ci-overcloud situation there | 19:05 |
| lifeless | so - can someone else proceed for a bit ? | 19:05 |
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| slagle | i can take a shot at it :) | 19:06 |
| slagle | there are untriaged bugs in tripleo... | 19:06 |
| slagle | 4 of them | 19:06 |
| slagle | 3 came in in the last hour, so maybe someone is trying to make us look bad :) | 19:07 |
| slagle | if someone wants to triage those... | 19:07 |
| slagle | tuskar has a bug as well | 19:08 |
| slagle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar/+bug/1281051 | 19:08 |
| slagle | someone traige plz | 19:08 |
| jdob | slagle: i'll do the tuskar one | 19:09 |
| slagle | thx | 19:09 |
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| slagle | i do believe the thing to say now is: everyone, try harder at triage next week | 19:09 |
| jistr | jdob: oops already done that, didn't look at irc for a minute | 19:09 |
| slagle | :) | 19:09 |
| slagle | i know i forgot this week | 19:09 |
| greghaynes | There was one I was going to self triage but pending joining tripleo group on lp | 19:09 |
| jdob | oh man, even better, I volunteered for work and didnt have to do it | 19:09 |
| slagle | greghaynes: ok, plz ping lifeless about that | 19:10 |
| greghaynes | ok | 19:10 |
| slagle | i think he is the one who can do it | 19:10 |
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| slagle | any other discussion around bugs? | 19:10 |
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| slagle | ok, reviews then | 19:11 |
| slagle | #topic reviews | 19:11 |
| slagle | i suspect i don't have permission to do that, so oh well | 19:11 |
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| slagle | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:12 |
| slagle | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt | 19:12 |
| slagle | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt | 19:12 |
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| slagle | we appear to have several reviews that are quite old | 19:12 |
| lifeless | #topic reviews | 19:13 |
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| lifeless | (not back yet) | 19:13 |
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| slagle | i actually think if folks could look at http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html and try to hit the ones listed there that have the longest wait times, that would be a good plan of attack | 19:14 |
| slagle | i know that lifeless -2'd some of the package related review pending discussion on the ML | 19:15 |
| slagle | if we can get an update on those, that would be good | 19:15 |
| slagle | whether we want to keep pushing forward with the approach in the reviews, or use environment variables for user names, etc. | 19:15 |
| lifeless | ok so thats the mailing list thread | 19:16 |
| slagle | right | 19:16 |
| lifeless | I think I'll probably lift the -2 on that basis, though I saw *another* packaging-provoked failure come through w.r.t. paste-api.ini or whatever files | 19:16 |
| lifeless | which are unhelpfully in /usr | 19:16 |
| slagle | yes, there are some like that | 19:17 |
| lifeless | thats a bug in the packaging | 19:17 |
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| lifeless | they are configuration files | 19:17 |
| dprince | lifeless: no its not, paste should *not* be used as a config | 19:17 |
| lifeless | we need to file those in the distro and fix | 19:17 |
| slagle | this was the glance rdo package | 19:17 |
| slagle | it relies on configs under /usr/share/glance and /etc/glance | 19:18 |
| slagle | anyway, it's noted we need to revisit that and determine if a bug should be filed or not | 19:19 |
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| slagle | #action slagle to look at glance configs under /usr/share | 19:19 |
| slagle | (lets hope that worked) | 19:19 |
| slagle | any other review business? | 19:20 |
| slagle | #topic releases | 19:20 |
| slagle | do we have a volunteer to do releases? | 19:20 |
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| rpodolyaka | I can take, if we don't have volunteers | 19:20 |
| slagle | i think t-i-e got missed in the last release round | 19:20 |
| slagle | the latest released tarball was from end of January | 19:21 |
| lifeless | #topic releases | 19:21 |
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| shadower | slagle: I'm pretty sure I tagged t-i-. | 19:21 |
| shadower | tie | 19:21 |
| slagle | there's 1 new commit to os-refresh-config as well | 19:21 |
| shadower | maybe an arrer in the release pipeline? | 19:21 |
| slagle | shadower: possibly | 19:21 |
| slagle | i didn't see anything new end up at http://tarballs.openstack.org/tripleo-image-elements/ | 19:21 |
| slagle | rpodolyaka: if you're willing to do it, that would be awesome | 19:22 |
| rpodolyaka | slagle: sure, I'll take it | 19:22 |
| slagle | thanks! | 19:22 |
| rpodolyaka | np | 19:22 |
| slagle | #action rpodolyaka to release all the things (with new commits) | 19:23 |
| slagle | #topic CD Cloud Status | 19:23 |
| slagle | not sure i have much detail here, barring any input from lifeless | 19:24 |
| shadower | slagle: I must not have pushed the tag by mistake. Should be out now | 19:24 |
| slagle | it was working after the wknd, but then went down | 19:24 |
| shadower | sorry | 19:24 |
| lifeless | hi | 19:24 |
| lifeless | its up but not in nodepool atm - thats what the infra meeting discussion is on | 19:24 |
| slagle | shall we hold for that? | 19:24 |
| slagle | or keep churning through? | 19:24 |
| lifeless | well one thing worth touching here | 19:25 |
| lifeless | is that this list - http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tripleo-incubator/tree/tripleo-cloud/tripleo-cd-admins - really is an on-call list | 19:25 |
| lifeless | (you get admin access, and admin responsibility) | 19:25 |
| lifeless | infra has 2 weeks of zomg coming up | 19:25 |
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| lifeless | so if you're in the admins list but not willing to respond to ci-overcloud outages as 'omg I have to fix' - please let me know | 19:26 |
| tchaypo | Does that mean we're going to be setting up Pagerduty or something similar, or just relying on people to be active in irc? | 19:26 |
| lifeless | that will depend on the discussion in infra | 19:26 |
| lifeless | I suspect it might help if we all volunteered our cell phone (to be held privately) as a just-in-case | 19:27 |
| lifeless | but, being an admin is voluntary, so I can't (and won't) try to compel tht | 19:27 |
| slagle | ok, good stuff | 19:28 |
| tchaypo | If we're doing it properly I think we should at least share scheduled of flights to/from Sunnyvale so that we know in advance if there are going to be times of patchy coverage | 19:28 |
| slagle | so if you're an admin (myself included), try to be proactive in responding to issues | 19:28 |
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| slagle | tchaypo: good point | 19:29 |
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| slagle | i'm not sure there's an etherpad for sunnyvale yet | 19:29 |
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| lifeless | we should make one | 19:30 |
| jdob | etherpad meaning agenda and hotel details? | 19:30 |
| slagle | dprince: i think this is where we usually get an update on the RH cloud, if you're available to give one | 19:30 |
| slagle | jdob: yes | 19:30 |
| jdob | kk, I was gonna ask about that | 19:30 |
| slagle | #action etherpad for sunnyvale travel | 19:30 |
| dprince | okay. Here is where it stands today. | 19:30 |
| slagle | crap | 19:30 |
| slagle | #action slagle etherpad for sunnyvale travel | 19:30 |
| dprince | Physical cabling has been done to the rack. | 19:30 |
| lifeless | #action etherpad for sunnyvale travel | 19:31 |
| lifeless | #action slagle etherpad for sunnyvale travel | 19:31 |
| dprince | They are configuring some firewall stuff, and then Kambiz needs to make some changes on the bastion too. | 19:31 |
| jdob | lifeless: you forgot "crap" | 19:31 |
| lifeless | wasn't an action :P | 19:31 |
| jdob | i blame slagle for dropping the ball there | 19:31 |
| lifeless | oh the puns | 19:31 |
| slagle | dprince: any eta? | 19:31 |
| dprince | Then there is a discussion that needs to happen about mapping the /24 into the private network addresses. | 19:32 |
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| slagle | ok, so still a WIP sounds like, and we're a little ways off | 19:33 |
| dprince | slagle: I hope this week. I'm not directly involved... all I can do is put in requests to escalate this so please don't become a hater if it doesn't happen | 19:34 |
| slagle | i don't hate | 19:34 |
| slagle | thx for the update :) | 19:35 |
| slagle | any other news here before moving on? | 19:35 |
| lifeless | dprince: whats the mapping discussion ? | 19:35 |
| dprince | slagle: that wasn't for you directly. Just saying... it has been awhile. | 19:35 |
| lifeless | dprince: won't the /24 be 95% floating ips - and thus not mapped? | 19:35 |
| dprince | lifeless: I don't know exactly what they want to know. Probably just something about how they get routed into the network. | 19:36 |
| lifeless | dprince: ok; lets not disrupt the meeting, but yeah, they can't arp-limit it or anything | 19:36 |
| lifeless | or port limit | 19:36 |
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| slagle | ok, moving on | 19:37 |
| lifeless | dprince: do you know the /24 range that we're getting ? | 19:37 |
| dprince | lifeless: not yet | 19:37 |
| lifeless | dprince: we can add it to the admin spreadsheet and block out some ranges once we do | 19:37 |
| slagle | #topic CI virtualized testing progress | 19:38 |
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| slagle | anyone around to give an update on this? pleia2 perhaps? | 19:39 |
| lifeless | we should probably drop this topic or make it more generally CI; since its done :) | 19:39 |
| lifeless | #topic CI virtualized testing progress | 19:39 |
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| slagle | ok, that's a good update :) | 19:39 |
| lifeless | I do have status from the infra meeting | 19:40 |
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| lifeless | which is that subject to: | 19:40 |
| lifeless | - moving out check jobs to a check-tripleo queue | 19:40 |
| lifeless | - fixing the nodepool 'wont start with a provider offline' bug | 19:40 |
| lifeless | we can be in the system during the FF weeks of panic | 19:40 |
| lifeless | I'm going to submit a check-tripleo pipeline patch today and derekh was working on the nodepool bug | 19:41 |
| lifeless | does anyone know where he got to ? | 19:41 |
| slagle | i do not; he mentioned he was working on it, but i'm not sure he got a resolution | 19:41 |
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| ccrouch | BTW just checking: CI won't be *done* until every project is gated on a tempest run ontop of an overcloud right? | 19:42 |
| lifeless | CI won't ever be *done* | 19:42 |
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| lifeless | but thats certainly a key goal :) | 19:43 |
| ccrouch | after that its just a matter of fixing issues discovered by CI | 19:43 |
| ccrouch | ok cool | 19:43 |
| lifeless | well | 19:43 |
| lifeless | increasing performance | 19:43 |
| lifeless | adding more sylesof test | 19:43 |
| lifeless | testing upgrades | 19:43 |
| lifeless | the more we test the more we'll find we can test | 19:44 |
| ccrouch | upgrades, thats a good one | 19:44 |
| ccrouch | yep | 19:44 |
| slagle | #topic open discussion | 19:44 |
| lifeless | #topic open discussion | 19:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:45 | |
| slagle | feel free to keep discussing CI if you wish :) | 19:45 |
| slagle | anyone have anything to bring up? | 19:45 |
| matty_dubs | Any update on hotel arrangements? | 19:45 |
| slagle | cody-somerville: any update on hotels for sunnyvale? | 19:45 |
| slagle | (sorry to keep asking...) | 19:46 |
| tchaypo | I'll be starting at HP Monday, so expect to start seeing newbie questions from me next week | 19:46 |
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| ccrouch | i had a question around the impact of the upcoming Icehouse feature freeze on tripleo related projects | 19:47 |
| ccrouch | i.e. does it have any direct impact, e.g. are we going to be unable to land new tripleo-image-elements after M3 or anything like that? | 19:47 |
| lifeless | slagle: I believe cody-somerville has quotes and is waiting for the contract to be signed | 19:47 |
| tchaypo | (Although at this point I expect a chunk of time to be taken up chasing travel etc arrangements) | 19:47 |
| lifeless | ccrouch: so I think the answer for that should be tied to when slagle takes his point in time 'stable' branch | 19:47 |
| lifeless | ccrouch: which will likely happen with everything else | 19:47 |
| matty_dubs | tchaypo: I've been working on TripleO for a while now; I continue to ask newbie questions. ;) | 19:47 |
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| lifeless | ccrouch: generally though we aim for continually releaseable, so no - I don't plan on enforcing a freeze | 19:48 |
| lifeless | ccrouch: *but* | 19:48 |
| slagle | FF is March 6th btw | 19:48 |
| lifeless | ccrouch: we should be ultra careful for backwards compat during that time | 19:48 |
| slagle | which, many of us will be in Sunnyvale for | 19:48 |
| ccrouch | lifeless: agreed, but no moratium on new things? | 19:48 |
| lifeless | ccrouch: not IMO | 19:49 |
| lifeless | tuskar-api should | 19:49 |
| lifeless | as its an API server and aiming to align with the server release protocols | 19:49 |
| lifeless | we'll probably end up running forks of heat etc for a few weeks :( | 19:49 |
| ccrouch | since slagle et al will be managing the stable branches, i guess its up to them what will get merged down from the master branch :-) | 19:49 |
| ccrouch | jdob: ^ re: tuskar-api stability | 19:50 |
| lsmola2 | lifeless: will we have backwards compat? | 19:50 |
| jdob | ccrouch: they shouldn't be moving too much, if at all, between now and icehouse | 19:51 |
| jdob | the last bits for end to end that I'm doing now are all behind the scenes | 19:51 |
| lifeless | lsmola2: depending on what you mean, yes :) | 19:51 |
| lifeless | lsmola2: if you mean 'will we require that all changes to trunk will work with a config/rc etc that work on the stable branch' - /no/ | 19:52 |
| lifeless | lsmola2: we're simply not ready for that, and that was one of the conditions that emerged in the HK discussion about stable branches | 19:52 |
| slagle | right, just keep in mind if you make a change that is not backwards compat, we won't be able to pull it down to the stable branch | 19:53 |
| lifeless | lsmola2: however, we should guarantee that at any point in time all the trunk commits work together, which implies some backwards compat code during transitions | 19:53 |
| lsmola2 | lifeless, so we are starting backwards compat when we are stable, right? | 19:53 |
| lifeless | slagle: I wouldn't expect you to pull anything down to stable | 19:53 |
| slagle | well, bugfixes | 19:54 |
| lifeless | lsmola2: no, I think we start backwards compat when we cut a 1.0 of tripleo, whatever that means | 19:54 |
| slagle | i'm talking the i-3 to rc timeframe | 19:54 |
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| lsmola2 | lifeless, ok :-) | 19:54 |
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| lifeless | slagle: ah, ll | 19:56 |
| lifeless | kk | 19:56 |
| slagle | 5 mins left if there are any other topics | 19:56 |
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| lifeless | does anyone need help on anything ? | 19:56 |
| ccrouch | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027444.html | 19:56 |
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| lifeless | oh right | 19:57 |
| lifeless | so, hardware prep should be in the deploy ramdisk (e.g. raid layout application) | 19:57 |
| lifeless | nova-bm will deploy to sda | 19:57 |
| lifeless | for swift, I'd say - if there are multiple disks, the flavor should specify a raid-1 root and jbod for the rest | 19:58 |
| lifeless | and we should put the swift store on the jbod | 19:58 |
| lifeless | for cinder, whatever best practice is for glusterfs/ceph | 19:58 |
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| lifeless | a small patch may be needed to ensure we pass the full flavor metadata to the ramdisk | 19:59 |
| lifeless | in-instance scripts can do last-stage tuning | 19:59 |
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| lifeless | but the top level q - how much should tripleo do? admins shouldn't do anything by hand. | 19:59 |
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| ccrouch | lifeless lets continue in #tripleo | 20:00 |
| ccrouch | since we timed out | 20:00 |
| lifeless | slagle: thank you! | 20:00 |
| lifeless | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| slagle | yw | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 18 20:00:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-02-18-19.03.html | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-02-18-19.03.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-02-18-19.03.log.html | 20:00 |
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| rpodolyaka | gnight all! | 20:00 |
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| lsmola2 | thank you guys, good night | 20:00 |
| jistr | good night | 20:00 |
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