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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 16 13:01:49 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI Passthrough)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:01 |
| heyongli | hi | 13:03 |
| irenab | hi | 13:03 |
| ijw | yo | 13:03 |
| BrianB_ | hi | 13:03 |
| ijw | Had a long coversation with baoli offline yesterday - I think the summary was that the proposal I put forward is more complicated than a group based proposal but we should do it if we're happy that nothing simpler will do the job and if the network issue is not a problem (for which irenab proposed a solution on the ML). Are we in agreement? | 13:04 |
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| heyongli | one question, for baoli's concern, | 13:05 |
| ijw | (Fwiw the answer is obviously the solution that's no more complicated than it absolutely has to be, as far as I'm concerned.) | 13:05 |
| heyongli | if the group as tag solve baoli's live migiration problem? | 13:05 |
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| ijw | No, it doesn't work with his networking method of attaching devices - and in fact it can't work if a device can be in two flavors. | 13:06 |
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| heyongli | i don't see why | 13:06 |
| ijw | Because you make the networks in advance, and I'm not sure you could put a PCI device in two networks simultaneously. Also, you're offloading the choice of the device that's mapped to libvirt if you do it that way. | 13:07 |
| heyongli | if you still can attach device a tag, say, group, why not? | 13:07 |
| ijw | irenab's proposal would work fine, though, as far as I can see (I would like baoli's opinion on that though) because it treats PCI devices individually. | 13:08 |
| heyongli | i don't see irenab's proposal when i leave office, sorry | 13:08 |
| irenab | heyongli: I suggested to rename the device to logical name based on neutron port UUID | 13:09 |
| ijw | It renames the ethernet device to the same name as is in the libvirt.xml, so you can attach the migrated VM to the 'same' device while still getting to choose which device that is. | 13:09 |
| baoli | Irena, can you put together a complete describe on how it works? My guess is that you would name the interface with the same names on both the target node and the originating node. | 13:09 |
| ijw | That's how I understood it | 13:09 |
| irenab | baoli: yes | 13:09 |
| ijw | Quite a cool idea, actually ;) | 13:10 |
| irenab | baoli: it would remane the device once it should be used as vNIC, not inadvance | 13:10 |
| baoli | Irena, then we need to do a through study on that. Because that involves nova to coordinate that | 13:10 |
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| baoli | Have you tried it yourself? | 13:11 |
| heyongli | yeah, i'm not sure i understand the problem and the solution right | 13:11 |
| irenab | baoli: I think we can take it later for advanced case, since we were OK with no live migration for now :-) | 13:11 |
| irenab | baoli: yes, tried that | 13:12 |
| baoli | Irena, I'm afraid that we need to do migration. But I agree that we can put it aside for now | 13:12 |
| ijw | The issue I would see is whether we have the opportunity to do the rename before the migration begins. | 13:12 |
| irenab | baoli: I can share the details of the trial as a follow-up email | 13:12 |
| baoli | Irena, that sounds great | 13:12 |
| baoli | and Thanks for that | 13:13 |
| irenab | baoli: no problem | 13:13 |
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| ijw | So are we all in agreement that we should do it this way? If we need more in the way of documentation I can add to the spec | 13:14 |
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| irenab | ijw: I inserted the comments, still didn't check the answers. sorry | 13:15 |
| baoli | ijw, let's go over a practical deployment case where only pci flavor can do the job | 13:15 |
| heyongli | i would like to see the live migration problem and possible solution in doc or mail thread. | 13:15 |
| baoli | And then let's try to map it to SRIOV | 13:15 |
| ijw | irenab: I did most of them this morning,there's a couple I answered rather than fixing it | 13:15 |
| ijw | heyongli: good point, stick a comment on there so I don't forget | 13:16 |
| irenab | ijw: thanks, wil go over, may add more | 13:16 |
| baoli | Sorry that I haven't got a chance to look at your comments | 13:16 |
| baoli | Irena, you want to go over your comments? | 13:16 |
| ijw | They were largely 'needs more text' so for those I've just done as instructed and resolved the comment. | 13:16 |
| irenab | baoli: I prefer to go over deployment case as you suggested | 13:17 |
| ijw | The only one that's a bit awkward is explaining in more detail where the changes would go and which processes they would affect. | 13:17 |
| ijw | I've done what I can but it's hard to structure. | 13:17 |
| baoli | Irena, agreed | 13:17 |
| irenab | ijw: I think by covering this we can see if all items has owners and do the coding | 13:17 |
| ijw | Yep, I agree | 13:17 |
| heyongli | agree | 13:18 |
| ijw | We'll come back to this, let's do the example | 13:18 |
| ijw | baoli: I think the point you had issue with is the changing of a flavor after initially setting them up is what drives most of the complexity in the solution. | 13:18 |
| baoli | ijw, please address my request directly | 13:19 |
| ijw | baoli: that being the case a worked example wants to include that | 13:19 |
| irenab | ijw: can we start with case that no change is required, just initial setup | 13:19 |
| ijw | Let's start with irenab's because those are the easy cases. The ones I would work through are the current case (selection by device/vendor) and the groups case (selection by backend marking). We'll cover provider networks in a few minutes too because that's got open issues | 13:20 |
| ijw | So, the current case assumes we set up 'flavors' - except they're not objects in their own right at the moment, they're matching expressions on the nova flavor - by expressing a device/vendor match | 13:21 |
| ijw | In the proposal, we would use pci_information to do what the whitelist does now, and we wouldn't add any extra_attrs | 13:22 |
| ijw | Where now we have extra_specs on the nova flavor with a set of matching expressions, we would instead have the administrator create a flavor with that matching expression and a friendly name and then use the flavor name and device count in a flavor. | 13:22 |
| ijw | The pci attributes set for selection would be device and vendor ID. | 13:23 |
| baoli | ijw, an example that is expressed with those things would be better than words, I would suggest | 13:23 |
| ijw | OK, so say all our compute nodes contain 1 GPU with vendor:device 8086:0001 | 13:24 |
| irenab | ijw: is it SR-IOV case? | 13:24 |
| ijw | No, this one's not going to be yet and we'll come to networking (which is the main SR-IOV driver) in a mo | 13:24 |
| ijw | So on the compute nodes, pci_information would be { { device_id: "0x8086", vendor_id: "0x0001" }, {} } | 13:26 |
| ijw | (yes that format is awful, make suggestions on the document) | 13:26 |
| ijw | I forget the name of the config item for goruping, but let's say pci_attrs=device_id, vendor_id | 13:27 |
| ijw | Sorry, I got the device/vendor the wrong way around, but you see the idea | 13:27 |
| ijw | So, the compute node would ask the scheduler process for the groups to send and would be told 'device_id,vendor_id' from that config item | 13:27 |
| ijw | The compute node would get the pci_infomation and run it over the PCI device tree to find matching devices and get a list of those devices | 13:28 |
| ijw | The compute node would make buckets by device and vendor and file the devices into buckets (which I think it does now, but not on a variable list of attrs) | 13:28 |
| ijw | The compute node would report pci_stats objects back to the scheduler - one stat: device_id=0x0001, vendor_id=0x8086, free count=1 | 13:29 |
| ijw | That would come in from every compute node. | 13:29 |
| ijw | Good so far? | 13:29 |
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| heyongli | pci_attrs=device_id, vendor_id should be golobal, right? | 13:29 |
| baoli | I think that you forgot the compute node provisions and stats report based on what you have described so far | 13:30 |
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| ijw | Yes - but I'm concerned that if we put it onto both control and compute config then a cocked up configuration would result in a really screwed up system. The suggestion above that we tell the compute node what it is makes for better consistency. | 13:30 |
| ijw | baoli: the pci_devices table, you mean? | 13:30 |
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| ijw | Yes, as things stand it would be pushing out the PCI device list to the conductor, just as it does now - I think that code remains the same as far as this case is concerned | 13:31 |
| ijw | So at this point we have a live cloud on which we can run things. | 13:32 |
| ijw | The administrator sets up a 'gpu' flavor with a matching expression { device_id -> 1, vendor_id -> 8086 } | 13:32 |
| ijw | PCI flavor even | 13:32 |
| ijw | Then he sets up a nova flavor saying 'gpu:1' in the extra_specs for PCI device requirements. At this point end users can run machines with direct mapping. | 13:33 |
| ijw | Finally, the user attempts to start a machine with that flavor | 13:33 |
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| ijw | The scheduler as it is, PCI filter excluded, attempts to locate a list of machines and filters down the list of compute nodes to a subset of the whole list satisfying other requirements (CPU, RAM etc.) | 13:33 |
| ijw | Then the PCI filter kicks in. And this is the horrible bit. | 13:34 |
| ijw | We take the device filter from the PCI flavor required and find all the buckets that satisfy the request | 13:34 |
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| ijw | For each machine, we attempt to find a bucket with available devices | 13:34 |
| baoli | ijw, can you define the buckets and how they are populated? | 13:34 |
| ijw | baoli: these 'buckets' are the pci_stats rows fed up from the compute node. | 13:35 |
| ijw | In the first part of the explanation. | 13:35 |
| heyongli | the stats pool, now, it calledd | 13:35 |
| ijw | If we find one, then we can schedule on that machine. If we can't, the machine is dropped from the available list. | 13:35 |
| ijw | Then, schedule filtering done, we have a preference list of machines (we haven't affected the preference order) and we make our scheduling attempts as usual. | 13:36 |
| ijw | Finally, when we schedule the machine, the nova-compute process is RPCed with the instance object. | 13:36 |
| ijw | The instance object has the pci_stats row that we plan on using. That contains the device and vendor attributes. | 13:36 |
| ijw | In its own memory, it has the equivalent record, it decreases the available count by 1 | 13:37 |
| ijw | And it picks a device to allocate. | 13:37 |
| ijw | We spawn the machine, and the PCI device handed to the spawn command. | 13:37 |
| ijw | During spawn (with libvirt) we add XML to direct map the device into memory. | 13:37 |
| ijw | And voila. | 13:38 |
| ijw | From here, we should look at the differing things we might be trying to do. Case 2 we'll call 'grouping' | 13:38 |
| ijw | In this, pci_attrs is 'group' and we're adding a 'group' attr at the pci_information stage | 13:39 |
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| ijw | So, pci_information={ { device_id: 1, vendor_id: 0x8086}, { group => 'gpu' } } | 13:39 |
| baoli | what is device_id? | 13:40 |
| ijw | The device ID of the whitelisted PCI device | 13:40 |
| ijw | Do I mean device ID? | 13:40 |
| ijw | Yes, that's the right term | 13:41 |
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| baoli | but we don't have a device_id | 13:41 |
| heyongli | product_id , i think it is | 13:41 |
| heyongli | the standard pci property | 13:41 |
| ijw | OK, sorry - I'm looking at a (non-Openstack) page which calls it device ID, my apologies | 13:42 |
| ijw | So, compute host gets 'group' for attrs when it requests it | 13:42 |
| ijw | And makes one PCI stat per 'group' value, rather than unique (vendor_id, product_id) tuple and reports that to the scheduler in this case | 13:43 |
| ijw | PCI flavor is going to be name gpu match expression { group: 'gpu' } | 13:43 |
| ijw | Scheduling is as before | 13:43 |
| ijw | Sorry, it will be 'e.group': 'gpu' per the spec about marking extra info when we use it | 13:44 |
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| ijw | Difficult cases. | 13:44 |
| ijw | Scheduling is harder when PCI flavors are vague and match multiple pci_stats rows, and particularly when they overlap | 13:44 |
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| ijw | So, if I have two flavors, one is vendor:8086, device: 1 or 2 and one of which is vendor: 8086, device: 1 then you have more problems and the worst case is when you use both flavors in a single instance | 13:45 |
| ijw | So, say I have the above two flavors, 'vague' and 'specific' for the sake of argument, and I want to start an instance with one device from each | 13:46 |
| irenab | ijw: can we go over networking case taking into account phy_net connectivity? | 13:46 |
| ijw | OK, in a sec, I'll finish this case first | 13:46 |
| irenab | ijw: afraid to be out of time | 13:46 |
| ijw | When I try and schedule, let's assume I have one product_id of each type | 13:46 |
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| ijw | Then there's a case that I can't use the device '1' for 'vague' because I would not be able to allocate anything for 'specific'. The problem is hard, it's not insoluble, you just have to try multiple combinations until you succeed. | 13:47 |
| ijw | physical networking cases: | 13:47 |
| ijw | Important here is I have two network devices with different physical connections, so I need tobe able to distinguish and I can't do that by vendor/product | 13:48 |
| irenab | ijw: yes | 13:48 |
| irenab | ijw: assume neutron ML2 please | 13:48 |
| irenab | physical netowrks/segments | 13:49 |
| ijw | Right, and here we get into the grey area | 13:49 |
| ijw | I'm not sure anything we've proposed to date solves the problem where a networking device can connect to some neutron networks but not to others. | 13:49 |
| irenab | ijw: just assume provider_network is enough | 13:50 |
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| irenab | all neutron networks on certain provider_network can use same devices | 13:50 |
| ijw | irenab: the only solution to that problem that we have for provider networks at present is to ignore Neutron and label the devices on the provider networks with an extra_attr corresponding to the provider network. Then you make a flavor per provider network and explicitly use the flavor. But that doesn't work well with --nic arguments. | 13:51 |
| ijw | Or macvtap, for that matter. | 13:51 |
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| baoli | ijw, we proposed to correspond a pci group to a provider network. that solved the issue elegantly. | 13:52 |
| irenab | ijw: so going forward with the proposal you have, we still do not have a solution for networking? | 13:52 |
| ijw | baoli: elegantly-ish. If you do it that way then you would say --nic pci-flavor=provider_network_flavor,net-id=xxx and you can't check that the flavor and the network match easily so you can get yourself into trouble. | 13:52 |
| ijw | I think this is fixable by revisiting the code after we get the other cases working, it seems like we can do something in just the Neutron plugin to deal with the checks | 13:53 |
| irenab | ijw: agree, but it will do the work ... | 13:53 |
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| baoli | ijw, I dont' want to go back to those arguments | 13:53 |
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| ijw | baoli: no, that's fine, just highlighting the outstanding issue. I don't want to solve it now. | 13:53 |
| ijw | Networking in general - where the network device is programmable | 13:53 |
| baoli | ijw, we can also associate a PCI group with a network if that would cover all the use cases | 13:54 |
| ijw | baoli: yes, that's about it, it's just the issue of making it usable from the bit of code in Neutron. | 13:54 |
| ijw | We have a flavor containing SRIOV network devices, defined in pci_information as (presumably) something like { pf: ... device path ... } | 13:54 |
| ijw | * I don't think we have enough detail here so yes, this is vague. Criticisms on the spec document please | 13:55 |
| ijw | However we set it up we end up with a PCI flavor that contains network devices we intend to use for neutron, which I shall call 'pcinet' | 13:56 |
| irenab | ijw: I am confused, what is the approach with neutron programmable device? | 13:56 |
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| ijw | That's what I'm covering now | 13:56 |
| ijw | So we have a PCI flavor 'pcinet' | 13:56 |
| irenab | ijw: how is it defined? | 13:57 |
| ijw | which 'it'? | 13:57 |
| irenab | product, vendor id + ? | 13:57 |
| irenab | it = PCI flavor | 13:57 |
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| irenab | we have 2 mins.... | 13:58 |
| irenab | Can we cover neutron requirements on Monday meeting? | 13:58 |
| ijw | If it were me, I would probably tag it up on the backend - but wouldn't just vendor + product be enough if you wanted? | 13:58 |
| ijw | On nova boot, we specify (my memory fails me here, correct the arguments as we go) nova boot --nic vnet-type=macvtap|passthrough,net-id=mynet,pci-flavor=pcinet ... | 13:58 |
| ijw | PCI device selection as usual (NIC device gets added to requirements before scheduling) but we need an extra bit of information to go to the compute node to point out the PCI device here has been allocated in response to --nic for interface 1 | 13:59 |
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| irenab | ijw: what do you mean by 'tag it up on the backend '? | 13:59 |
| ijw | extra_info | 13:59 |
| baoli | guys, times up | 14:00 |
| ijw | Apologies, apparently I can't quite type fast enough | 14:00 |
| ijw | irenab: can we take this up on the list, I'm not sure I'm getting your concern. | 14:00 |
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| baoli | I can't imagine that we have a proposal that doesn't take care of the most of our concerns | 14:01 |
| irenab | baoli: all: can we talk about neutron requirements next meeting? | 14:01 |
| irenab | ijw: sure | 14:01 |
| heyongli | sure, irena | 14:01 |
| baoli | I believe it's solvable, but I just don't get it | 14:01 |
| baoli | Irena, sure | 14:01 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 16 14:01:36 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-01-16-13.01.html | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-01-16-13.01.txt | 14:01 |
| ijw | I'm good with that, I think we have some details to work out about what info is needed where but that aside we're ok | 14:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-01-16-13.01.log.html | 14:01 |
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| ijw | Sorry, I'd flip to openstack-neutron but I don't have time right this second - I'll be reading mail again later | 14:02 |
| irenab | ijw: can we switch to openstack-dev? | 14:02 |
| ijw | irenab: will you be around in an hour? | 14:02 |
| irenab | ijw: ok, lets follow later | 14:02 |
| ijw | I'm pleased we got that recorded, you know ;) | 14:02 |
| irenab | ijw: probaly not ... | 14:03 |
| irenab | ^probably | 14:03 |
| ijw | OK - then let's take half an hour now, that should be fine - need to catch something before 4 but half an hour will be enough for dealing with my errand | 14:03 |
| ijw | -> #openstack-dev | 14:03 |
| markwash | good morning glance | 14:03 |
| markwash | #startmeeting glance | 14:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 16 14:04:03 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | good morning! | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:04 |
| zhiyan | good morning | 14:04 |
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| markwash | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:05 |
| markwash | bit light today | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | it's ok if we end early | 14:06 |
| markwash | indeed | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | though it would have been better to start later! | 14:06 |
| markwash | heh perhaps | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | did you get a chance to think about exposing 'owner' in v2? | 14:07 |
| markwash | #topic expose 'owner' in v2 (rosmaita) | 14:07 |
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| markwash | when I thought about it explicitly I couldn't really think of a reason why we should hide it | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:07 |
| markwash | and just mulling on it didn't yield any other reasons for concern | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | me neither, plus i think it will be needed anyway when we kill off v1 | 14:08 |
| markwash | so it seems fine to move ahead with it | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | this seems like a simple BP, "expose 'owner' in image response" | 14:08 |
| markwash | and probably simple code as well | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | but i'm not sure if we were thinking about a new process? | 14:08 |
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| rosmaita | i agree, i could possibly code it myself :) | 14:08 |
| markwash | I don't quite see how a new process would be necessary | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | me neither, thought I'd check though | 14:09 |
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| markwash | well I think we're in good shape on this one, no one else objects? | 14:09 |
| zhiyan | sounds good to me | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | cool | 14:11 |
| zhiyan | so we just need to change api controller ? or ned to change domain also? | 14:11 |
| zhiyan | s/ned/need | 14:11 |
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| markwash | I think owner is already an attribute of the image object | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | yes, it's already in domain object | 14:12 |
| markwash | #topic deprecated options in glanceclient (rosmaita) | 14:12 |
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| markwash | (hope switch wasn't too soon) | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | this is a minor thing | 14:12 |
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| rosmaita | just from a user perspective | 14:12 |
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| rosmaita | ever since i've been working on glance, theCLI help gives you a long list of stuff, mostly DEPRECATED | 14:13 |
| zhiyan | ok got it (seems my network today has bigger delay, sorry) | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | was wondering if we could clean that up a bit | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | (since it's a light week) | 14:13 |
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| rosmaita | but, i'm not real clear on the client contract and versioning | 14:13 |
| markwash | rosmaita: I think its a good point, I was hoping we could do that in the major version bump | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | so that would be with Icehouse? | 14:14 |
| markwash | but it seemed like we never got anywhere with folks about how we can *do* the major version bump | 14:14 |
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| rosmaita | yeah, that was my recollection, too | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | maybe we can discuss at mini-summit? | 14:15 |
| markwash | yes | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | iccha had mentioned that maybe we should have a "stability & cleanup" session | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | i think she's worried that with all the sexy new metadata catalog stuff, normal stability issues might get lost | 14:16 |
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| markwash | that's a fine idea as well | 14:16 |
| markwash | I have added both of those ideas as potential topics on the mini summit agenda | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | i'll add to the agenda ... maybe sign up everyone as interested by default? :P | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | network delay! | 14:18 |
| markwash | rosmaita: I'd like to work with some folks to move to the next level on the mini summit agenda, from ideas to more like plans | 14:18 |
| markwash | are there some folks on your end that could help me out? I imagine ashwini would be interested, but perhaps others as well? | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | i think everyone will be interested in helping out | 14:19 |
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| zhiyan | markwash: interesting, which part ? :P | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | maybe we can ask people to "adopt" a session and map it out with more details | 14:20 |
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| markwash | yes, I think we need to announce a deadline for finalizing the topics perhaps, and if a topic doesn't have a leader/moderator by that time we figure we can hash it out on the ML or in informal time? | 14:21 |
| flwang | rosmaita: will you discuss the image marketplace on the mini summit? | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i was thinking it would be cool if each session got a ML announcment so people who can't attend can reply to the thread and have their views represented | 14:21 |
| markwash | oh neat idea | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | flwang: hi , yes i was thinking of doing that one | 14:22 |
| markwash | before or after the summit? | 14:22 |
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| rosmaita | before, if we have time | 14:22 |
| flwang | markwash: before | 14:22 |
| markwash | sounds good | 14:22 |
| flwang | markwash: after confirm the topic list? | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | but it is running out fast! | 14:22 |
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| markwash | we probably have about enough if we set up a timetable pretty immediately | 14:23 |
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| flwang | rosmaita: I love the image marketplace idea, since both AWS and Nebula have it | 14:23 |
| markwash | how about if we get people to pick their topics by monday and send out email introductions by tuesday? | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | that seems reasonable | 14:24 |
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| markwash | *OpenNebula I think | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | i think you can ask anyone on the titan team to pick up an orphan topic | 14:24 |
| markwash | does 12 topics total seem okay? about 6/day? | 14:25 |
| markwash | would 5/day be too few? | 14:25 |
| markwash | (I just counted and we have 14 suggestions on the list so far, not all of them adopted of course) | 14:25 |
| flwang | markwash: yep :) thanks for the correcting | 14:25 |
| markwash | rosmaita: okay thanks, we may need to do that | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | that's a tough question | 14:26 |
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| rosmaita | 6 topics would be 6 hours in-session + lunch + coffee == 8 hours | 14:26 |
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| rosmaita | that would leave time for disucssion after dinner | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | to follow up on that day's stuff | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | except that wouldn't work on 2nd day | 14:27 |
| markwash | okay, so on that schedule 6 doesn't seem too skimpy, and even 5 might be okay | 14:27 |
| markwash | so perhaps if its an odd number or low, we should frontload the schedule | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | i think so | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | +1 to frontloading | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | i definitely don't think it's too light | 14:28 |
| markwash | yeah, i think our open discussion time will be better if its after the formal-ish sessions | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | +1 | 14:28 |
| markwash | okay cool, glad it doesn't seem too light | 14:29 |
| markwash | I'll be happy then if we do a solid 5/5 or 6/4 | 14:29 |
| markwash | #topic open discussion | 14:29 |
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| markwash | (since we're on it anyway :-) ) | 14:29 |
| markwash | anyone particularly concerned about their i-2 blueprints? I think we might end up deferring a lot | 14:30 |
| markwash | but we have made good progress lately and have room in i-3 so I'm not very worried | 14:30 |
| zhiyan | markwash: do you think it's a good time to think about giving LocationRepo to glance v2 domain? | 14:31 |
| markwash | zhiyan: yes, I think its about time | 14:31 |
| markwash | zhiyan: with image location status, it will be nicer to have some domain code to handle the possible status values | 14:31 |
| markwash | and I realize from looking at the db code we really need to allow the clear distinction in the http api between add, replace, and remove to be expressed at the db api level | 14:32 |
| zhiyan | markwash: or do it in J? | 14:32 |
| markwash | zhiyan: I was trying to work on it last night but couldn't quite get my brain to thaw :-) | 14:32 |
| markwash | I'll revisit it today/tomorrow/this weekend | 14:32 |
| markwash | shouldn't take long once it seems a bit more clear, which usually only takes a few days of mulling | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | zhiyan: i have not been following closely, we are adding 'status' to locations, but not 'checksum' I hope? | 14:33 |
| zhiyan | markwash: ah, cool | 14:33 |
| markwash | rosmaita: just status, and its basically an internal field | 14:33 |
| zhiyan | rosmaita: yes, not yet | 14:34 |
| flwang | markwash: I think I may have to defer the image-recover | 14:34 |
| zhiyan | yes | 14:34 |
| markwash | rosmaita: the idea is that we can track deletion and "pending_deletion" on the locations themselves, which makes scrubber and other things cleaner | 14:34 |
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| rosmaita | cool | 14:34 |
| markwash | flwang: noted, thanks for the heads up | 14:34 |
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| rosmaita | maybe this can be part of the "stability" session, but before we branch out too much with the metadata catalog stuff, i was wondering if we need to record a glance "philosophy" about what it's core principles are | 14:35 |
| flwang | markwash: since it's depending on zhiyan's locations status bp | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | AFAIK, right now, it's just folklore | 14:35 |
| zhiyan | markwash: i believei location_repo will help more, when we try to add multi-hypervisor deployment support right? (like checksum, size, format ...) | 14:35 |
| markwash | yeah, that's a good thought, something I think iccha had mentioned was maybe a glossary | 14:36 |
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| markwash | rosmaita: I sense you are a little concerned about the "metadata" repo stuff. . I somehow missed out on the december conversation that was had around that | 14:36 |
| markwash | zhiyan: yes I think there are a lot of avenues there | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | markwash: well, slightly concerned | 14:37 |
| markwash | though we end up just having to figure out how we make it clear what those mean on a location vs on the image, but I think its do-able | 14:37 |
| markwash | rosmaita: I confess, I think I'm a bit against the idea of storing metadata generically | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | i think it's a great idea, and will enhance searching and allow relationships and stuff, but i'd still like glance to be glance | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | so i am kind of mixed | 14:37 |
| markwash | it took a long while to get here, but I think we get a lot of benefit from knowing what our metadata means | 14:38 |
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| markwash | okay, I think we're about tapped out (or I've netsplit :-) ) | 14:39 |
| markwash | any other parting thoughts? I will email ashwini to set up a time for more mini summit planning discussion | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | nothing from me | 14:40 |
| flwang | i'm clear | 14:40 |
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| markwash | zhiyan, flwang, rosmaita thanks! | 14:41 |
| markwash | zhiyan, flwang keep up the great reviews! | 14:41 |
| zhiyan | markwash: nothing from me too. btw, you can ping me for anything around location_repo (actually i'm thinking if i can do that) | 14:41 |
| flwang | markwash: and coding !!! | 14:41 |
| markwash | heh yes and coding! | 14:41 |
| zhiyan | :P | 14:41 |
| markwash | :-) | 14:41 |
| markwash | zhiyan: sure thing | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | bye! | 14:42 |
| markwash | #endmeeting | 14:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 16 14:42:54 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-01-16-14.04.html | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-01-16-14.04.txt | 14:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-01-16-14.04.log.html | 14:43 |
| zhiyan | markwash: btw, if you have time pls give some review on my patch :) | 14:43 |
| markwash | zhiyan: definitely | 14:43 |
| zhiyan | later~ | 14:43 |
| zhiyan | markwash: thanks! | 14:43 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 16 15:01:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| aostapenko | hi | 15:01 |
| rraja | hi | 15:01 |
| achirko | hello | 15:01 |
| bswartz | hello everyone | 15:01 |
| yportnova | hi | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | so I haven't updated the agenda, as usual | 15:02 |
| bswartz | my previous meeting ran right into this one | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | let's jump right into development status -- I know a number of exciting things are getting close to completion | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:03 |
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| yportnova | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66001/ | 15:03 |
| yportnova | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62917/ | 15:03 |
| scottda | hi | 15:03 |
| yportnova | security services are merged | 15:03 |
| bswartz | yportnova/vponomaryov: please share the updates we discussed on monday | 15:03 |
| bswartz | yportnova: thx | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | Dev status: | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | 1) network-api | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | a) share-networks (approved name from previous meeting) | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | share-network on server side - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66587/ | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | share-network on client side - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59466/ | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | b) security-services has already been merged - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66001/ | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | c) api for linking 'a' and 'b' - TODO | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | 2) Multitenant Generic driver (draft / work in progress) - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67182/ | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | 3) Multitenant NetApp driver (work in progress) - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59100/ | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | 4) manila's tempest code has been merged into %manila_project%/contrib/tempest | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | It has all currently existing tests for manila | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | Change to openstack-infra/config to enable tempest from that plugin for our 'devstack-job' - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66846/ | 15:05 |
| bswartz | and a reminder for those who don't know, the generic driver will use cinder+nova to create VMs and storage on the tenant network and export it using NFSD or Samba | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | that all for status | 15:06 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: that was awesome, ty | 15:06 |
| bswartz | so this reminds me | 15:06 |
| caitlin56 | bswartz: so partitions (as opposed to VMs) will be supported when nova supports them? | 15:07 |
| bswartz | there is some overlap with the current generic driver approach and the so-called bridged networking approach | 15:07 |
| bswartz | but first, any questions on the current status? | 15:07 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: what do you mean by partitions? | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | do you mean disk partitions? | 15:07 |
| caitlin56 | What Solaris calls zones: "lite" VMs. | 15:08 |
| bswartz | oh, you mean something like a LXC-based VM | 15:08 |
| caitlin56 | bswartz: yes | 15:08 |
| shamail | vponomaryov and bswartz: Is the NetApp reference driver leveraging vFiler assisted Multi-tenancy and the generic driver is using hypervisor-assisted Multi-tenancy? (Think the answer is yes but wanted to confirm) Is the delivery time-line the same or will one be complete before the other? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | yeah that's not something I've looked into -- I'm not sure of how well nova support LXC/OpenVZ -- but it doesn't matter so much for us | 15:09 |
| bswartz | Using those hypervisors is signigicantly more efficient for the kinds of things manila needs to do, but it's just a performance optimization compared to full virtualization | 15:10 |
| caitlin56 | So no specific issue was encourntered, just a determination that this is probably complex enough that nova should handle it. | 15:10 |
| caitlin56 | ? | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | or rather, a scalability optimization | 15:10 |
| bswartz | shamail: yes the netapp driver relies on vservers | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | shamail: the netapp driver and the generic driver are being worked on in parallel | 15:11 |
| shamail | Great, thanks. We'd need to look at both. | 15:11 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: in the interest of limiting complexity for ourselves, I want to ignore the hypervisor issue and just assume that "nova will handle it" | 15:12 |
| caitlin56 | bswartz: that might be worth capturing as a design rationale. | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | if someone wants to dig into what exactly nova can support I'd encourage them to do some experiments and share the results | 15:13 |
| bswartz | I could easily see some future enhancement in Juno where we add LXC/OpenVZ support | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | but this discussion segues nicely into the other topic I brought up | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | AFAIK, Nova supports LXC, but with limitations, why do we consider LXC at all as possible variant to use? | 15:14 |
| aostapenko | lxc doesn't support runtime volume attachment | 15:14 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: mostly because you can run significantly more LXC instances on the same hardware than you can KVM instances | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | LXC/OpenVZ are dramatically more efficient virtualization technologies when you don't need the full feature set that KVM provides (i.e. full hardware virtualization) | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | also, OpenVZ requires patched linux core | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | if I am not mistaken | 15:16 |
| achirko | bswartz: for generic driver networking we have 2 pollible implementations and no concensus | 15:17 |
| bswartz | anyways, I wanted to ignore these issues for now because they're a distraction from our core mission | 15:17 |
| bswartz | which is to deliver shared filesystems as a service | 15:17 |
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| achirko | bswartz: here is doc which outlines two solutions https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kX7-S8aClxleydlbm6NmFEWirnyk7hsd4UhqxXcC0KA/edit?usp=sharing | 15:17 |
| bswartz | achirko: can you explain? | 15:17 |
| bswartz | oh yea | 15:18 |
| bswartz | this deserves some time for discussion | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | #topic network communication between manila and service VMs | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | okay so as we've discussed earlier, the generic driver will create nova instances (called "service VMs") to actually service the shared filesystems into the tenants' networks | 15:19 |
| bswartz | these service VMs will have a network interface on the tenant network, and therefore there won't automatically be a network communication path between manila and these VMs | 15:20 |
| bswartz | obviously manila needs to be able to communicate with the VMs it creates, so there are a few options | 15:20 |
| bswartz | thx to achirko for providing a writeup of the situation | 15:20 |
| bswartz | the 2 basic approaches break down like this: | 15:21 |
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| achirko | feel free to comment inside document or here | 15:21 |
| bswartz | 1) manila creates virtual network intefaces connected to the tenant network on the manila node and uses those to talk to the VMs | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | 2) we add a second IP address to the VMs which is connected to somewhere that manila can reach through its default routes | 15:22 |
| bswartz | I don't have strong feelings about either approach, except that if we add secondary IP addresses to the service VMs, then those should be on a network that's protected from security threats | 15:22 |
| bswartz | the "floating IP" approach implies that these VMs will have public IPs, which I don't like | 15:23 |
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| caitlin56 | A third option would be to have the "Base server" act as an application layer gateway, rather than as a router. | 15:23 |
| bswartz | we would almost need to create a new type of floating IP which is for internal services rather than for use by end users | 15:24 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: I don't follow | 15:24 |
| yportnova | bswartz: "floating IP" approach implies that these VMs will have public IPs - in theory we can create separate floating ip pool for Manila | 15:24 |
| caitlin56 | Hey base server you need to tell your subsidiary server fornetwork x this. | 15:25 |
| bswartz | yportnova: does neutron explicitly support multiple pools of floating IPs? | 15:25 |
| yportnova | bswartz: http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-network/admin/content/adv_cfg_l3_agent_multi_extnet.html | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | yportnova: how hard is that to setup, and will it be a hassle for users of manila? | 15:25 |
| aostapenko | now we do not have an ability to use 2 floating ip pools | 15:25 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: how would that be implemented | 15:26 |
| yportnova | bswartz: but there is bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1212947. It is not confirmed but affects some people | 15:26 |
| achirko | bswartz: documentation says that we can have multiple floating ip pool, but on practice it doesn't work - I tried it | 15:26 |
| caitlin56 | you would need to add a message relay daemon on the base server, i'm presuming each vendor knows how to talk to their own vservers within their box. | 15:27 |
| bswartz | achirko: hah! | 15:27 |
| bswartz | who would have guessed that the openstack docs might be wrong? | 15:27 |
| caitlin56 | achirko: the real trick is that you would want parallel allocation of floating ips. Basically, "matching" terminal numbers on each subnet. That's the way they would be assigned manually, and the only way a human could ever track what was going on. | 15:28 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: we're not talking about drivers other than the generic driver -- it's presumed that vendor drivers have ways of solving the problem of talking to their vservers | 15:28 |
| bswartz | the issue here is that the generic driver will be using nova to create its "vservers" (actually service VMs) and that nova doesn't provide a generic mechanism for talking to them across networks | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | so its up to us to create that mechanism | 15:29 |
| bswartz | achirko: I'm leaning towards approach 1, because it sounds simpler for the administrator | 15:30 |
| bswartz | achirko: what are the downsides to approach 1 | 15:30 |
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| achirko | bswartz: more work for us, developers | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | ah | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | so helpe me understand here why linux network namespaces are needed | 15:31 |
| yportnova | bswartz : using 1 approach we will have low-level dependency on Neutron internal implementation | 15:31 |
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| achirko | bswartz: we need to have neutron agent set up and runnign on Manila node | 15:31 |
| bswartz | can't we just create bridge interfaces and vnets? | 15:31 |
| bswartz | requiring a neutron agent doesn't bother me too much -- I suspect there will be similar requirements for the gateway-based multitenancy -- which I want to get to in a minute | 15:32 |
| caitlin56 | Could we do this with a firewalled router? | 15:33 |
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| achirko | bswartz: we need net-ns for virtual interfaces isolation - we can have 2 private subnets with the same cidr | 15:33 |
| bswartz | achirko: are you sure that's allowed? I was under the impression that openstack didn't allow re-use of IP addresses | 15:33 |
| caitlin56 | That is we explicitly allow manila to have a message routed to the share-network via a router which enforces firewall rules (so general public cannot do this). | 15:33 |
| achirko | bswartz: as well as for security - to isolate manila node from tenant's private subnet | 15:34 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: I think that secure firewalling is implied in any of these configurations -- it's not optional | 15:34 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: the thornier issue is the basic routing and bridging | 15:34 |
| caitlin56 | bswart:z: true. But by default there would be no routes between tenant networks. | 15:35 |
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| caitlin56 | Neutron might allow routing from the basenetwork to tenant networks however. | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | achirko: have you actually prototyped approach 1 to show that it works? | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | or is it theoretical at this point? | 15:36 |
| achirko | bswartz: we can have 2 subnets with the same cidr as long as they resides in different neutron networks | 15:37 |
| bswartz | achirko: okay so it sounds like neutron has gotten smarter since I last checked | 15:37 |
| caitlin56 | achirko: that would force those tenant networks to be fully isolated,correct? | 15:37 |
| caitlin56 | you would not have a unique IP address while sitting in the common ntework to refer to a tenant endpoint. | 15:38 |
| achirko | bswartz: I pretty sure it will work because neutron uses similar approach for l3 and dhcp services | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | okay | 15:38 |
| bswartz | netapp has supported that kind of isolation for a long time -- we call it "ipspaces" | 15:38 |
| bswartz | it's hard to wrap your mind around though -- I worry about new users or even developers getting confused | 15:39 |
| achirko | caitlin56: neutron network = l2 isolated domain using vlan, gre etc. | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | okay well I'm going to cast my vote for approach 1 at this point | 15:40 |
| bswartz | I'd like to at least try it and see if we can make it work | 15:40 |
| caitlin56 | bswartz: many systems have a concept of a "common" or DMZ VLAN,. Anyt VLAN can route to it, it can route to any, but other VLANs cannot route to each other. | 15:40 |
| bswartz | the floating IP approach can be a fallback plan | 15:40 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: this is stronger separation than that | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | an ipspace or netns is a whole separate set of routing tables | 15:41 |
| bswartz | 2 networks in different namespaces don't even share the same routing universe | 15:41 |
| bswartz | as an aside, one of the reasons this is needed is because IPv4 doesn't offer a large enough address space | 15:42 |
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| caitlin56 | Yes, common universal address almost requires IPV6 addressing. | 15:42 |
| aostapenko | +1 for first approach | 15:43 |
| bswartz | anyone disagree on the approach for communication between manila generic driver and is service VMs? | 15:43 |
| achirko | bswartz: I'm also for the first solution | 15:43 |
| bswartz | that's 3 for the first solution | 15:43 |
| shamail | bswartz: First approach | 15:43 |
| yportnova | bswartz: I think 2 approach is better | 15:43 |
| caitlin56 | How does the manila agent keep the clients distinct? | 15:43 |
| bswartz | yportnova: but approach 2 has some dependencies on stuf that doesn't work currently | 15:44 |
| bswartz | yportnova: can you explain why you think approach 1 is wrong? | 15:44 |
| yportnova | bswartz: I think the 1 approach is not good because Manila will depend on how networking is implemented in Neutron | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | yportnova: only the generic driver will | 15:46 |
| yportnova | Generic driver will work only with Neutron (but currently we do not have alternatives) | 15:46 |
| bswartz | yportnova: and the generic driver already depends on several other key openstack projects, like nova and cinder | 15:46 |
| yportnova | bswartz: sorry, I meant the generic driver | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | other drivers such as the NetApp driver won't need this because we can talk to the vservers through the cluster interface | 15:47 |
| yportnova | bswartz: yeah, but it does nor depend on how Nova spawns the VMs | 15:47 |
| yportnova | and how Cinder provides volumes | 15:47 |
| caitlin56 | Will the generic he need to talk to a Vserverinstance from a child process associated with the network namespace? | 15:48 |
| caitlin56 | generic driver need to talk... | 15:48 |
| yportnova | And floating IP is one of important Openstack features, that provides access to VMs. And I hope the bug with multiple pools will be fixed | 15:48 |
| aostapenko | yes, it's more low-level dependency, but it's dependency on core neutron architecture | 15:49 |
| achirko | bswartz: Yes, 1st approach introduces dependancy on Neutron architecture | 15:49 |
| bswartz | but wait, doesn't the manila core also depend on neutron for basic things like provision IP addresses in tenant networks? | 15:49 |
| bswartz | how is this different? | 15:49 |
| caitlin56 | Will any vendor driver be able to implement its own solution on how to talk with its vservers? | 15:50 |
| yportnova | bswartz: yeah, but we just communicated with its API, and do not depend on implementation | 15:50 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: not only will you be able to, you will have to | 15:50 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: unless you reuse some code from the generic driver | 15:50 |
| caitlin56 | bswartz: then I have no objection to either option. | 15:50 |
| aostapenko | that is like dependency novas vif driver on neutron architecture, but not so complicated | 15:51 |
| bswartz | yportnova: can you explain how this introduces a deeper dependency? | 15:51 |
| bswartz | maybe I'm thinking about approach 1 incorrectly | 15:51 |
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| achirko | bswartz: Manila will need to know ovs integration bridge name | 15:52 |
| bswartz | I had assumed that it would work the same, where we provision an IP from the tenants network to ourselves, and the generic driver takes care of creating a bridged network interface to the tenant network and binding the IP to that interface | 15:52 |
| vponomaryov | neutron api is interface for us, but in approach one we will depend on neutron architecture that is behind the API | 15:52 |
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| aostapenko | the most core architecture | 15:53 |
| bswartz | well I don't see a deeper dependency on neutron as a large downside, for the generic driver | 15:53 |
| bswartz | who would really use that driver outside of an openstack configuration which included nova, cinder, AND neutron? | 15:54 |
| bswartz | are there any credible alternatives to neutron that you could use with manila+nova+cinder? | 15:54 |
| caitlin56 | bswartz: the fundamental issue is whether the IP address of the vserver for management purposes is global or not. If it is globally unique then you can set up routing rules about who can talk with it. | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | caitlin56: it sounds pretty clear that it's not unique | 15:54 |
| caitlin56 | If it is not globally unique then you need to talk with it from a process that is scoped for the correct network namespace. | 15:54 |
| bswartz | oh wait | 15:55 |
| bswartz | no the tenant-facing address is not unique, but the manila-facing address could be | 15:55 |
| bswartz | well I'd like to make a decision on this in the interest of forward progress | 15:56 |
| caitlin56 | If the manila-facing address is unique then neutron can set up the required routes to allow *only* the desired access. | 15:56 |
| bswartz | yportnova: we may need to change the implementation later on if the dependency on neutron turns out to be a bad thing | 15:56 |
| yportnova | bswartz: sure | 15:57 |
| bswartz | #agreed manila generic driver will communicate with service VMs using neutron-provisioned virtual interfaces on the manila management node | 15:57 |
| bswartz | okay we used up almost all our time on that issue | 15:57 |
| bswartz | but it was a good discussion to have | 15:57 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | any last minute things? | 15:57 |
| achirko | bswartz: The main thing for generic driver is to make sure it will work with standard devstack inslalation, and approach 1 deliveres this | 15:58 |
| bswartz | achirko: agreed | 15:58 |
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| shamail | Any anticipated dates for the new reference drivers yet? | 15:58 |
| shamail | Dates being a loose term here, really time-frame | 15:58 |
| bswartz | shamail: just a couple of weeks tops | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | shamail: probably by the end of the month? | 15:59 |
| shamail | Awesome | 15:59 |
| shamail | Thanks. | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | okay we need to vacate tthis channel -- grab me in #openstack-manila if you need anything else | 15:59 |
| bswartz | thanks all | 15:59 |
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| yportnova | thanks | 15:59 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 16 16:00:00 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-01-16-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-01-16-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-01-16-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
| aostapenko | thanks, bye | 16:00 |
| mestery | Hi | 16:00 |
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| mestery | #startmeeting networking_policy | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 16 16:00:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 16:00 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy Agenda | 16:00 |
| banix | Hi everybody | 16:01 |
| s3wong | Hello | 16:01 |
| mestery | We'll wait a minute or two to gather everyone. | 16:01 |
| mestery | banix s3wong: Howdy! | 16:01 |
| ashaikh | hi guys | 16:01 |
| nam_nguyen | Hi all | 16:01 |
| songole | Hi all | 16:01 |
| prasadv | hello | 16:01 |
| mestery | So, we have a short agenda for today. | 16:02 |
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| mestery | The main thing I wanted to discuss was the PoC, which we started talking about last week. | 16:02 |
| mestery | #topic Group Policy PoC | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Group Policy PoC (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 16:02 | |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy Neutron Group Policy PoC Document | 16:02 |
| alagalah | Good morning all | 16:03 |
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| mestery | alagalah: Morning! | 16:03 |
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| mestery | I don't think the document has changed much. | 16:03 |
| mestery | But the small subset of us who volunteered to work on the PoC have been discussing over email how to divide the work up. | 16:03 |
| banix | I just added the Heat work item; That's all. | 16:04 |
| mestery | banix: Thanks! | 16:04 |
| alagalah | Count me in | 16:04 |
| mestery | So really, we have a high level plan. I think we should put names by the tasks as we discussed. | 16:04 |
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| mestery | alagalah: Awesome, glad to have you onboard! | 16:04 |
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| s3wong | mestery: haven't seen your reply - have we finalized on who is doing what? | 16:05 |
| alagalah | mestery: I live to serve :) | 16:05 |
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| mestery | s3wong: I think there are a few details left, for instance, I don't know if anyone signed up to implement the new extension APIs for GRoup Policy. | 16:05 |
| mestery | s3wong: Did you claim that item? | 16:05 |
| * mestery forgets. | 16:05 | |
| s3wong | mestery: sure | 16:05 |
| mestery | Cool! Can folks who have signed up put their names by the tasks? | 16:06 |
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| mestery | Also, there was some discussion around coordinating this work. | 16:06 |
| mestery | Logistically. | 16:06 |
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| mestery | s3wong and banix, you guys had some concerns here, right? | 16:06 |
| s3wong | I also believe banix volunteered for ML2 driver part | 16:06 |
| s3wong | mestery: yes | 16:06 |
| banix | Mestery: Let's list the work items you had made | 16:06 |
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| s3wong | actually, rather, he volunteered for the ML2 plugin part | 16:07 |
| songole | We will do the heat plugin | 16:07 |
| mestery | songole: Excellent! If you need edit access to the google doc, let me know, but I think I added you there. | 16:07 |
| banix | So the main items were: The Ml2 plugin part (I volunteered) which includes the driver I would think | 16:07 |
| songole | mestery: Yes, I have access to it. | 16:07 |
| s3wong | the extension APIs (which I volunteered) | 16:08 |
| banix | The agent side that Mestery volunteered | 16:08 |
| s3wong | and the OVS agent (which mestery volunteered) | 16:08 |
| * mestery nods in agreement. | 16:08 | |
| banix | and yes the s3wong for Tom Mathews | 16:08 |
| banix | sorry ignore the last line | 16:08 |
| hemanthravi | mestery: if you there are pieces on the agent side you want us to pick up, we can | 16:08 |
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| mestery | hemanthravi: OK, cool! Will coordinate with you folks. | 16:09 |
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| banix | the extension side that s3wong volunteered | 16:09 |
| mestery | So, how much of this can we do in parallel? | 16:09 |
| alagalah | The key will be not treading on each other's code | 16:10 |
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| songole | heat is independent and can go in parallel. | 16:10 |
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| s3wong | My part can be done rather independently - though Heat template would have the APIs as dependency | 16:11 |
| banix | So may be we can nail down for the moment the API | 16:11 |
| mestery | banix: Yes, good idea. That may be a first step. | 16:11 |
| alagalah | I'd like to work with banix on the ML2 driver | 16:11 |
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| mestery | I can start looking from the agent side right away as well. | 16:11 |
| banix | alagalah: Sounds good | 16:11 |
| mestery | E.g. the flows we'll need to implement. | 16:11 |
| mestery | Can someone refresh my memory on what we'll implement first? Was it security group like constructs? | 16:12 |
| s3wong | mestery: for action - just action_type 'security' | 16:12 |
| mestery | s3wong: Got it. | 16:12 |
| s3wong | but endpoint, endpoint groups, policy, policy-rule will all be part of the PoC | 16:13 |
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| banix | s3wong: yes | 16:13 |
| songole | s3wong: can we work on API proposal this week? | 16:14 |
| mestery | OK, this is all good. | 16:14 |
| banix | I will also implement the model (based on the model we have in the doc) so they are in code. | 16:14 |
| s3wong | songole: of course | 16:14 |
| mestery | banix: Awesome, thanks! | 16:14 |
| songole | s3wong: thanks. | 16:15 |
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| mestery | OK, anything else to discuss at this meeting around the PoC? | 16:16 |
| songole | I didn't see cli commands for classifier. I am hoping classifier is a neutron object and will have an API. | 16:16 |
| banix | songole: yes, it's in the model I believe. What do you mean by cli? | 16:17 |
| s3wong | songole: classifier is indeed a neutron object | 16:17 |
| banix | we haven't defined the cli as such | 16:17 |
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| songole | banix: I meant REST API examples | 16:18 |
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| s3wong | songole: add/modify/delete classifier should be part of the APIs, we should finalize that this week as part of the API proposal | 16:19 |
| banix | yes they are Neutron objects | 16:19 |
| songole | s3wong banix: got it | 16:20 |
| * mestery nods in agreement with s3wong and banix. | 16:20 | |
| alagalah | banix: I have a pretty full dance card today, want to get together tomorrow to flesh out the details? | 16:21 |
| alagalah | banix: We could do over email if more convenient? | 16:21 |
| banix | alagalah: Sounds good. | 16:21 |
| s3wong | I will work with the rest of the PoC team to get the first draft of API proposal done over the next week | 16:21 |
| banix | s3wong: great | 16:22 |
| s3wong | otherwise I wouldn't be able to code them anyway :-) | 16:22 |
| banix | We will eventually need a central repository but that can wait for now. | 16:23 |
| mestery | s3wong: :) | 16:23 |
| s3wong | banix: Sure | 16:23 |
| alagalah | Could we use a branch ? | 16:23 |
| mestery | banix: Yes, it may get tricky there, we want to strike a balance on this work for sure. | 16:23 |
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| mestery | We could use a shared github for the work initially. | 16:23 |
| * alagalah unsure of protocol | 16:23 | |
| alagalah | mestery: ok | 16:24 |
| banix | mestery: I agree | 16:24 |
| s3wong | mestery: are you going to set one up? | 16:24 |
| mestery | s3wong: sure, I can take an action item to do that! | 16:24 |
| * mestery makes note of some action items now. | 16:24 | |
| banix | or github | 16:24 |
| mestery | #action s3wong to work with the rest of hte PoC team to get first draft of API proposal out. | 16:24 |
| mestery | #action mestery to setup shared github for PoC work | 16:24 |
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| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 16:27 |
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| mestery | Anything else for this week? | 16:27 |
| banix | Not here | 16:28 |
| s3wong | all good for me | 16:28 |
| alagalah | I think we have our marching orders | 16:28 |
| mestery | :) | 16:28 |
| mestery | OK, thanks folks! | 16:28 |
| s3wong | another week of short meeting! | 16:28 |
| mestery | Lets keep the momentum going! | 16:28 |
| banix | thanks | 16:28 |
| hemanthravi | thanks | 16:28 |
| alagalah | thanks | 16:28 |
| mestery | s3wong: I like short meetings :) | 16:28 |
| songole | thanks | 16:28 |
| s3wong | Thanks! | 16:28 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 16:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 16 16:28:59 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-01-16-16.00.html | 16:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-01-16-16.00.txt | 16:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-01-16-16.00.log.html | 16:29 |
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| aignatov | savanna folks around? | 18:04 |
| jspeidel | yep | 18:04 |
| jmaron | here | 18:04 |
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| ErikB | Hi Everyone | 18:05 |
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| aignatov | hi all | 18:06 |
| aignatov | ok, let's start | 18:06 |
| aignatov | #startmeeting savanna | 18:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 16 18:06:28 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aignatov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'savanna' | 18:06 |
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| aignatov | #topic Agenda | 18:06 |
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| aignatov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SavannaAgenda | 18:07 |
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| aignatov | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 18:07 |
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| aignatov | ok, I see from the previous aid were on Sergey | 18:07 |
| aignatov | lets mov them as new AIs :) | 18:07 |
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| aignatov | btw, he was on PTLs webinar today and gave talk about savanna to the community | 18:08 |
| aignatov | #action SergeyLukjanov to check that all blueprints created and ping guys to make them if not | 18:08 |
| aignatov | #action SergeyLukjanov add links to the blueprints to roadmap | 18:08 |
| aignatov | #topic News / updates | 18:09 |
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| aignatov | guys please | 18:09 |
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| mattf | so the cli is coming along. i took a break to look at the rest api itself. | 18:09 |
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| mattf | i posed many comments to the wiki and mailing list. | 18:09 |
| mattf | thanks aignatov for feedback so far | 18:09 |
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| jmaron | my EDP on neutron private networks patch update is hung up while we rebuild our in-house neutron env. Apologies for the delay | 18:10 |
| mattf | i'd like feedback from jmaron jspeidel too before drafting the v2 api | 18:10 |
| jmaron | will do | 18:10 |
| jspeidel | mattf - sure thing | 18:10 |
| mattf | jmaron, you too? i'm trying to do neutron atm too! | 18:10 |
| ErikB | On the hortonworks side, we're working a few things around providing HDP2 support and adding native support in Ambari for Blueprints which we will eventually leverage in Savanna HDP plugin | 18:10 |
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| aignatov | mattf, you did bread job and some useful ideas - move jobs and job_executions to jobs and job_templates is very good! | 18:10 |
| aignatov | bread -> great :) | 18:10 |
| mattf | that rename is the least of it! | 18:11 |
| aignatov | ErikB: nice to hear that! | 18:11 |
| mattf | it looks like the api doc will need to be updated too, it wasn't always consistent w/ the code | 18:11 |
| aignatov | btw, who has not undated bps you are working on, please do this :) | 18:11 |
| jspeidel | mattf, if you know of specifics please file bugs | 18:11 |
| mattf | jspeidel, ack | 18:12 |
| jmaron | just so I'm certain I'm reviewing the correct doc/wiki - what's the link? | 18:12 |
| aignatov | mattf, api should be updated, right! the last update was EDP section | 18:12 |
| mattf | aignatov, there was a topic for the meeting that i mentioned to sergey and have since forgotten. he send you any notes? | 18:12 |
| aignatov | mattf, sorry, but i didn't hear these notes | 18:13 |
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| aignatov | maybe we can discuss it on the General discussion section | 18:14 |
| mattf | aignatov, fyi, there was an AI on me about oslo sync. i looked into it and decided to skip until after the release. | 18:14 |
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| aignatov | mattf, agree, please make action tag and title in this meeting :) | 18:15 |
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| aignatov | update from me: i'm finishing work on entegration savanna with heat provisioning feature, the latests bug fixes on the review | 18:16 |
| alazarev | from my side: IDH is partially merged, several parts are still on review | 18:16 |
| aignatov | action on me | 18:16 |
| * mattf found the general topic: if we should both w/ --name in the cli (we have --id and the api works primarily w/ ids) | 18:16 | |
| aignatov | #action create doc about features included into savanna's heat engine | 18:16 |
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| alazarev | Sergey Reshetnyak is working on adding IDH to CI | 18:17 |
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| aignatov | matte, +1, it should be added | 18:17 |
| jspeidel | mattf, I like being able to use the name in the cli | 18:17 |
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| mattf | let's wait til general discussion | 18:17 |
| jspeidel | mattf, avoids unnecessary query to get the id using the name | 18:17 |
| aignatov | any other updates? | 18:18 |
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| alazarev | mattf: +1 on names | 18:18 |
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| aignatov | crobertsrh, any updates? :) | 18:18 |
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| crobertsrh | Got the review up for Oozie Java Actions in the UI. | 18:18 |
| crobertsrh | Next up looks like HDFS data sources | 18:19 |
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| aignatov | crobertsrh: great! | 18:19 |
| aignatov | lets move on | 18:19 |
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| aignatov | #topic Roadmap update/cleanup | 18:19 |
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| aignatov | action above is still on the Sergey | 18:19 |
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| aignatov | #topic General discussion | 18:19 |
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| mattf | should have --name (in addition to --id) for cli commands, i.e. cluster-show --name cluster0 (instead of --id 28ee3cff-9f43-4c03-91e2-06467e15a6d7). if we should then we either have to implement in the client library or in the service api. | 18:20 |
| alazarev | small update from Intel side: their "dedicated" engineer is working on urgent project, going to start working on savanna in a week or two | 18:20 |
| mattf | btw, that's should we have, just c&p from irc logs | 18:20 |
| jmaron | mattf, just so I'm certain I'm reviewing the correct doc/wiki - what's the link? | 18:20 |
| aignatov | mattf, afaik, openstack approach is to use both ids and names | 18:21 |
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| mattf | jmaron, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/savanna/+spec/v2-api and the email on openstack-dev | 18:21 |
| jmaron | thx | 18:21 |
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| aignatov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/savanna/+spec/v2-api | 18:22 |
| mattf | i like names too. sounds like we have some consensus there. | 18:22 |
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| aignatov | maybe let's vote? | 18:22 |
| jspeidel | mattf, +1 for names | 18:22 |
| mattf | the issue is the rest api does not allow for lookup by name. so either we add that to the rest api, or we add the functionality to the python api. the python api would have to list + search + query. | 18:22 |
| alazarev | aignatov: who is against? | 18:22 |
| mattf | alazarev, lol, nice approach | 18:23 |
| jspeidel | mattf, rest api should also support | 18:23 |
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| jmaron | jspeidel +1 | 18:23 |
| mattf | anyone know if it is common or not to have the name->id logic in the client or the api? | 18:24 |
| alazarev | mattf: +1 on having names in rest too | 18:24 |
| aignatov | it's just to be documented :) ok, we are all think the same about new rest | 18:24 |
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| aignatov | ErikB: will you continue working on edp over private networks and base support? | 18:25 |
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| aignatov | *hbase | 18:25 |
| mattf | silence me no knows if it's more common to impl in api or in client? | 18:25 |
| jspeidel | mattf, rest api should only have a single primary id per resource but should allow queries by name also | 18:25 |
| jspeidel | mattf, I assume that id is the primary key for the resource | 18:26 |
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| aignatov | mattf, I think it should be in the api side | 18:26 |
| ErikB | aignatov, yes this work will continue, we still need to do some more functional testing | 18:26 |
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| mattf | i'll take an AI to look into adding names, and hopefully integrate it into the v2 api spec. | 18:27 |
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| mattf | so far the vocal folks say +1 name and +1 add to api (not just to client) | 18:27 |
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| aignatov | mattf, I think it's too much stuff in the single blueprint. Maybe we should divide it into some small bps? | 18:28 |
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| mattf | aignatov, i'd like to keep it all in one place for now | 18:28 |
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| mattf | we can break it up later when some impl starts | 18:28 |
| aignatov | ok, sounds reasonable | 18:29 |
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| aignatov | oh, one more update, Yaroslav updated bp to make HDP working over Heat, jspeidel and jmaron, please take a look on it ;) | 18:31 |
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| aignatov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65911/ | 18:32 |
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| jmaron | aignatov: ok | 18:32 |
| aignatov | than we will enable gate job for that as voting | 18:33 |
| jspeidel | aignatov, how is this related to #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65981/ | 18:33 |
| jspeidel | ? | 18:33 |
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| aignatov | jspeidel: sorry, the proper, I mean the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65981/ | 18:33 |
| jspeidel | aignatov,ok. I have already been involved in reviewing this | 18:34 |
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| aignatov | and my first link is about enabling hdp integration tests working over heat | 18:34 |
| jspeidel | aignatov *nods* | 18:35 |
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| aignatov | :) | 18:35 |
| aignatov | guys, do we have anything else to discuss? | 18:36 |
| mattf | nothing from me | 18:36 |
| jspeidel | not me either | 18:36 |
| alazarev | not from me | 18:36 |
| jspeidel | oh | 18:36 |
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| jspeidel | where are we in regards to hbase discussions with community? | 18:37 |
| mattf | afaik that still lives w/ sergey | 18:37 |
| mattf | i missed the update webcast today, maybe it was covered there | 18:37 |
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| jspeidel | would be nice to get an updated status on this | 18:38 |
| mattf | actually, did anyone attend? can you give us a quick summary? | 18:38 |
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| aignatov | jspeidel: I only know that you can continue working on your patch, please talk with Sergey directly about that :) | 18:38 |
| jspeidel | aignatov, ok. Will ping Sergey | 18:39 |
| aignatov | matff, as I know alazarev was there | 18:39 |
| aignatov | I was moving to home from work at that time :) | 18:39 |
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| alazarev | just updates from savanna and trove | 18:40 |
| aignatov | how many people were there? | 18:40 |
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| alazarev | mattf: are you interested in something particular? | 18:40 |
| mattf | just general summary. i'll just go get the recording. thanks. | 18:41 |
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| ErikB | BTW - is there a page that describes the icehouse-3 milestone? | 18:41 |
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| aignatov | ErikB: there is no actual page in wiki | 18:42 |
| aignatov | but this can help you | 18:42 |
| aignatov | #link https://launchpad.net/savanna/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 18:42 |
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| ErikB | aignatiov, thanks! | 18:43 |
| aignatov | all unfinished bugs and bp in icehouse-2 will be moved to icehouse-3 as well | 18:43 |
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| aignatov | icehouse-2 release date is on Jan 23 | 18:44 |
| aignatov | useful link | 18:44 |
| aignatov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 18:44 |
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| aignatov | ok, I think we can finish this meeting | 18:45 |
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| aignatov | thanks who's joined, have a nice day! | 18:45 |
| aignatov | #endmeeting | 18:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 16 18:45:44 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2014/savanna.2014-01-16-18.06.html | 18:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2014/savanna.2014-01-16-18.06.txt | 18:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2014/savanna.2014-01-16-18.06.log.html | 18:45 |
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