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baoliHi Everyone14:01
yjiang5hi14:01
sadasu#startmeeting PCI passthrough14:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Dec 10 14:01:26 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sadasu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI passthrough)"14:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough'14:01
irenabhi14:01
baoliAt this point, I'm not sure what our agenda is going to be for today. But I Just saw the email from Yongli about the PCI flavor design. Can anyone tell who are involved in it?14:02
yjiang5Is yongli around?14:02
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irenabbaoli: I tried to catch up on PCI flavor design today, but quite confused with what is going on there14:03
yjiang5baoli: I get some information from yongli, a core developer in nova think the alias/whitelist is not the right solution, and should use the host aggregate for it.14:04
yjiang5baoli: I'm busy on another task these two weeks, so didn't get into details.14:04
sadasuyjiang5: could you pls explain further?14:04
yjiang5irenab: what's the confusion?14:04
irenabyjiang5: how it solves the PCI for networking14:05
baoliFor the 10 minutes worth of reading, it seems to me that pci-flavor, in concept, is similar to pci-group. But configuration of compute nodes for PCI is done with the a nova PCI14:05
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yjiang5irenab: I don't think it's for PCI networking specific, but generic PCI changes.14:06
baoli nova pci-flavor-create  name 'GetMePowerfulldevice'  description "xxxxx"14:06
yjiang5sadasu: I have no time to check the details yet.14:07
baoli nova pci-flavor-update UUID  set    'description'='xxxx'   'address'= '0000:01:*.7', 'host'='compute-id'14:07
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baoliSo the API seems to be combining the whitelist + lci-group14:08
sadasudoes PCI flavor take care of letting nova know of the "feature" associated with the PCI device?14:08
baoli@sadasu, don't think so14:08
irenabPCI flavor still should be part of the VM flavor, right?14:08
baoliI think so.14:09
baoliWe should brought John's attention to our effort, and we should combine the ideas and converge14:09
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irenabbaoli: agree14:09
yjiang5irenab: I think PCI flavor will be like alias, to be used in VM flavor14:09
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irenabyjiang5: thas what I understood too. I do not like it, since its not flexible for nic addition for running VM14:11
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baoli@yjang5, seems like that you guys are aware of John and Yongli's effort on pci-flavor. Just wonder why we are in the dark.14:11
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sadasuthere seems to be a huge overlap of our effort with them14:12
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yjiang5baoli: I think the reason is because John is the core deverloper review the  BP that discussed in this meeting, and object it.14:12
irenabbaoli: I just saw  Yongli comments on the mail today referensing wiki14:12
baoli@irenab, same here14:13
irenabbaoli: I think we need to commmunicate on the the devs mailing list and have one place discussion14:13
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yjiang5irenab: agree.14:14
baoliI completely agree.14:14
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yjiang5irenab: I think this change should not impact network effort from API point of view.14:15
irenabyjiang5: agree, from neutron API point of view14:15
baoli@yjang5, I think that when designing the nova part of the PCI passthrough, folks working on networking/storage, a.k.a, feature, should get involved14:16
yjiang5baoli: thanks for remind and agree. We will send mail to mailing list for this talk. Sorry for it.14:17
baoliEspecially we have something in disucssion ourself for so long14:18
irenabbaoli: Do we want to discuss what to send out to the mailing list?14:19
baoli@irenab, absolutely. But I need some time to completely absort the material. Maybe we can exchange email first after reading it? We can also use time here to discuss it14:20
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irenabbaoli:agree14:20
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irenabI would like to understand the request binding pieces to see what information can be assumed to be available to the neutron on port creation14:22
baoliYes.14:23
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irenabThen I think it can be possible to define the neutron part assuming noa and scheduling details will be finalized14:23
yjiang5baoli: irenab:agree.14:24
baoliHow do you guys think about adding devices per compute node by means of a nova API?14:25
baolinova pci-flavor-update14:25
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baoliAlso, we need to find out if the compute node still needs to configure the whitelist14:25
irenabbaoli: I think at can be in addition to auto-discovery14:25
baoli@irenab, that would sound ok14:26
baolithe config file for alias and whitelist defination is going to deprecated. if database is not NULL , configration is ommit and given deprecated warning. if database is NULL, config if read from the file,14:27
baolifrom the wiki14:28
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baoliwith this solution, we move pci config from file to API.14:28
baolialso from the wiki14:28
irenabbaoli: do you agree with deprecating config option (white-list)?14:29
baoliwe had a discussion on this during the summit. But later I thought that using a centralized API to manage ocmpute nodes resources doesn't sound right to me. But it could be an additon if dynamic change is needed14:30
yjiang5baoli: I remember yongli told me that the API is requested in the summit discussion?14:31
baoli@yjang5, yes, I had a conversation with Yongli on that as well.14:31
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irenabanother concern I have is regarding PCI request as part of the VM flavor14:33
baoliWith the API, does nova api needs to notify nova-compute for the resouces that it owns, where the actual allocation occurs?14:34
yjiang5irenab: I think PCI flavor can also be used for neutron? For example, neutron can create flavor first, and then use it onport creation? at least we can extend it to work this way.14:34
irenabI think it will make VM provisioning flow very complicated14:36
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irenabyjiang5: for every combination of VM with networks, admin will have to define different flavors14:36
yjiang5irenab: you mean we need one extra effort? Currently we can specify the alias directly , right?14:37
irenabyjiang5: ideally, I think it should be possible to create VM with several vNIC each one either using PCI device or OVS for example14:38
baoli@irenab, also we14:38
baoliwe'd like to use network xml to support live migration.14:38
baoliwhere the allocation of devices happen in libvirt14:39
baoliwe have to keep that in mind14:39
irenabbaoli: agree, once nova supports it14:39
yjiang5irenab: baoli what do you mean of allocation of devices happen in libvirt?14:40
baoli@irenab, I may be wrong. But that plays into on what basis, a network xml should be defined. We used to think mapping PCI group to a network xml14:41
baoli@yjing5, with network xml, libvirt allocates a PCI device out of those included in the 'network'14:42
irenabwhat I meant to say that putting PCI devices request in flavor is very unflexible. Admin may want to specify on VM creation what vif-type he requires per Network.14:42
baoli@irenab, I agree with you on that14:43
yjiang5irenab: so you mean if use pci flavor, we have to create flavor for each such VM creation request and is not convenient, am I right?14:45
yjiang5irenab: instead, we should simply passing all parameter in the creation request directly, right?14:45
irenabyjiang5: I mean VM flavor14:46
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sadasuyjiang5: the new wiki gets rid of pci alias which is good because we have been asking for it for a while14:47
sadasubut it is making an assumption that all SRIOV devices are equivalent14:47
sadasulike in a neutron port14:47
sadasubut that is not the case14:47
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sadasuSRIOV ports will have to be put into diff flavors based on the physical network that they are connected to and other config that we want to apply on them14:48
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sadasuso the number of flavor creation requests could be significant14:49
baoli@yjang5, can you tell us John's full name and his email?14:49
yjiang5baoli: I think he comments on the BP and then yongli discussed with him on the IRC.14:49
yjiang5baoli:  let me check14:50
sadasualso, configuring the flavor via neutron using Nova API requires Neutron to know so much more about the network config that we had not initially planned on14:50
sadasuso this might affect our design significantly14:51
yjiang5baoli: I think John Garbutt <john@johngarbutt.com> and possibly we should initiate the discussion on the mailing list.14:51
baoli@yjang5, thanks for the info.14:51
sadasuI just resurrected the old thread...could you please reply to that?14:52
irenabsadasu: I think its not even possible to create flavor from neutron14:52
baoliLet's exchange comments/concerns with email, then we'll summarize it and send it to the openstack alias, in the same time bringing John's attention to our effort. The goal is to converge14:52
irenabbaoli: agree14:53
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irenablets try to push it soon, since Yongli probably starts to code to make something into icehouse-214:54
baoliAgreed. So let's continue through emails14:54
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irenabbaoli: fine14:55
yjiang5baoli: ok14:55
baoliThanks everyone.14:56
irenabthanks14:56
yjiang5thanks.14:56
sadasuthanks14:56
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sadasu#endmeeting14:56
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flaper87o/15:04
flaper87o/15:04
alcabrera:)15:04
flaper87Who's around?15:04
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alcabreraIt's that time again.15:04
megan_wo/15:04
flaper87Kurt is still afk, we can start and I'll hand the control over as soon as he gets here15:04
alcabrerasounds good to me.15:04
flaper87unless you guys know where he is15:04
flaper87:D15:04
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alcabreraI have no idea. :P15:05
flwango/15:05
flaper87#startmeeting Marconi15:05
openstackMeeting started Tue Dec 10 15:05:09 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:05
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:05
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'marconi'15:05
alcabrera#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda15:05
flaper87first of all, I want to make this part of the meeting logs15:05
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flaper87cpallares: Welcome to the team!15:05
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megan_wwelcome!!15:05
alcabreracpallares: yes! welcome! :D15:05
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flaper87#topic Bug triage15:06
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alcabrerawe'll come back to the action-review later?15:06
flaper87actually, lets start with actions15:06
flaper87#topic Review homeworks15:06
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cpallaresthanks alcabrera, flaper87!15:06
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kgriffso/15:07
alcabrerakgriffs: o/15:07
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alcabreraWe just started reviewing actions.15:07
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* kgriffs tries to think of an excuse for being late and fails15:07
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kgriffsalcabrera: kk15:07
* flaper87 didn't get in touch with Everett15:07
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flaper87#action  flaper87 to get in touch with Everett Toews and share ideas about client design15:07
flaper87flaper87 to spec out heat integration blueprint15:08
flaper87I didn't do the work myself but flwang point me to someone that will take care of it15:08
alcabrerasweet15:08
flaper87Which is definitely good15:08
flaper87there's some work going on there already15:08
flaper87the only bit missing to officially make that patch land is a release of marocni client15:08
flaper87we'll get there before i-215:09
kgriffskk15:09
flaper87kgriffs to play with swob15:09
kgriffswhat kinds of templates?15:09
alcabrerahow close would you say we are with marconiclient?15:09
kgriffs(what will it/they do?)15:09
flaper87alcabrera: so, I'm working on the Message object now15:10
flaper87which is almost ready but required me to change some things in tests and the code that already landed15:10
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flaper87(patches in gerrit already)15:10
alcabreraalright. :)15:10
alcabreraI'll have plenty to review later.15:10
flaper87after that, the only piece missing is claims15:10
flaper87which flwang wanted to tackle15:10
flaper87flwang: are you still up for that?15:11
flaper87btw15:11
flaper87#chair kgriffs15:11
openstackCurrent chairs: flaper87 kgriffs15:11
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flaper87kgriffs: if you want to take over, feel free.15:12
kgriffsflaper87: thanks for getting things started15:12
* kgriffs blushes15:12
flaper87kgriffs: my pleasure :)15:12
kgriffskgriffs to play with swob15:12
kgriffsso, i didn't get to that yet15:12
kgriffsbut am still planning on doing it soon15:12
kgriffs#action kgriffs to play with swob15:12
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kgriffs> everyone to get remaining sharding patches merged15:13
kgriffskudos to everyone!15:13
kgriffspoptarts on the house!15:13
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alcabrera#info everyone got the remaining shard patches merged15:13
flaper87w000t15:13
alcabrera:)15:13
* flaper87 wonders who this everyone d00d is15:13
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alcabreravery productive, this "everyone"15:13
kgriffs> kgriffs to confirm whether or not query params are ok in json-home URI templates15:13
kgriffscrap15:13
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kgriffsI forgot about that one15:13
* kgriffs blushes again15:14
flaper87lol15:14
flaper87looool @ crap15:14
kgriffs#action kgriffs to confirm whether or not query params are ok in json-home URI templates15:14
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* flaper87 ran out of gummy bear15:14
flaper87:(15:14
kgriffskgriffs to re-target bps and bugs to Icehouse milestones15:14
flaper87#info flaper87 ran out of gummy bear15:14
kgriffslol15:15
alcabreraheh15:15
kgriffs#info kgriffs retargeted bps and bugs to icehouse15:15
alcabrerare: the retargeting15:15
oz_akan_hi15:15
flaper87you should all be worried about that, my productivity is in danger15:15
alcabrerait's pretty much what we're doing in this meeting, isn't it?15:15
kgriffs#info kgriffs updated milestones with due dates15:15
alcabreraoz_akan_: hey!15:15
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kgriffsoz_akan_: O/15:15
alcabrerampanetta: o/15:15
flaper87oz_akan_: o/15:15
mpanettahi :)15:15
flaper87megan_w: o/15:15
flaper87mpanetta: o/15:15
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kgriffsalcabrera: somewhat, but i did an initial pass to get everything off havana15:16
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alcabreragotcha15:16
kgriffs>  everyone to participate in notifications breakout15:16
megan_wagreed15:16
kgriffswe had a great brainstorming meeting15:16
alcabrera#info many participated in notifications breakout15:16
alcabrera#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi_notifications_brainstorm/2013/marconi_notifications_brainstorm.2013-12-03-15.05.html15:16
flaper87and there's this 'everyone' d00d again15:16
alcabrera#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-notifications-brainstorm15:16
flaper87that was a real good meeting15:17
kgriffs#action kgriffs to create bp for notifications based on brainstorming session15:17
alcabreraone more action that wasn't listed -15:17
alcabrera> alcabrera to look into documentation process15:17
kgriffs#action alcabrera to look into documentation process15:17
kgriffs^^^ what he said15:18
alcabreraI started looking through the openstack documentation pages yesterday. I also started reaching out to annegentle15:18
alcabreraI'm awaiting a response while I read through things.15:18
kgriffsok, cool. You can give us an update next week15:18
alcabrerayup!15:18
alcabrerathat's all the actions from last time.15:18
kgriffsalcabrera: and it better include these words: "I got it all figured out, wrote 100 pages of online documentation and even published a book!"15:19
flaper87LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL15:19
flaper87especially  the 500 pages part15:19
alcabrerakgriffs: ooohh, very tempting. I *have* been meaning to publish by the end of this year. Something. :D15:19
* kgriffs is channeling Anne15:19
mpanettaI'm not sure if y'all want to know, but I have moved my "marconi-simple" docker container to a trusted build.  It is building as we speak.15:19
alcabrerahahaha15:19
kgriffsmpanetta: gtk!15:19
flaper87mpanetta: awesome!15:19
alcabrera#info mpanetta has a marconi-simple docker container available15:20
alcabreraLink?15:20
flaper87mpanetta: I'd like to play with that15:20
flaper87mpanetta: do you have a template for it or something?15:20
kgriffsmpanetta: how can we get our hands on said dockerfile?15:20
mpanettayes15:20
* flaper87 is not a docker expert15:20
mpanettasec15:20
mpanettahttps://github.com/bentwire/marconi-simple.git15:20
alcabrera#link https://github.com/bentwire/marconi-simple.git15:20
mpanettaAnd as soon as the build is done I should have a docker repo link as well15:21
mpanettaThe automated build system must have quite the backlog...15:21
flaper87mpanetta: +115:21
alcabreracool, cool15:21
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kgriffskudos to mpanetta15:22
flaper87triage, triage, triage, triage15:22
kgriffs#info marconi is officially cool now that it has a docker file15:22
kgriffsmooooving on15:22
flaper87LOL15:22
flaper87LOLOLOLOLO15:22
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kgriffs#topic Review Graduation BPs/Bugs15:23
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kgriffs#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/Incubation/Graduation15:23
kgriffsah crap. I need to do the 1.1 spec thing15:23
kgriffs#action kgriffs to write v1.1 api spec15:23
alcabrerawe have almost exactly two months worth of time to wrap up all pending items15:24
kgriffsyes, not much time15:24
flaper87indeed!15:24
flaper87the most critical one that is still pending is the sqlalchemy thing15:24
alcabreradefinitely15:24
flaper87ykaplan already submitted the first patch15:24
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flaper87and she started to work on the controllers15:25
alcabreraI wonder...15:25
flaper87I guess we should help her a bit15:25
kgriffs#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/sql-storage-driver15:25
flaper87by splitting the work there15:25
alcabreraIf I wrap up marconi-redis, would that count as having finished that requirement?15:25
flaper87don't think so!15:25
alcabreraheh. :P15:26
flaper87:D15:26
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flaper87but you should wrap it up anyway15:26
alcabreraanyway, +1 towards helping sqlalchemy happen. :D15:26
kgriffsyes, you should. ;)15:26
alcabrerawill do15:26
alcabrera#info sqlalchemy is of critical priority15:26
kgriffsalcabrera: will you be able to enforce FIFO + once-and-only-once delivery?15:26
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flaper87oaoo delivery15:27
kgriffs(we had talked about relaxing that requirement to be specific to the storage driver)15:27
alcabrerakgriffs: yes.15:27
alcabreraI think I can even make it a configurable thing.15:27
kgriffsinteresting15:27
alcabrera[...:redis] fifo = True15:27
kgriffscan't wait to see the implementation15:27
flaper87I wouldn't add that config option yet15:27
kgriffsso, back to sqlalchemy15:27
flaper87lets wait until the API layer is done15:27
flaper87and we can expose what features are enabled15:28
flaper87and what not15:28
kgriffsnext steps to get SQL support?15:28
flaper87review the tables patch15:28
flaper87start working on the controller15:28
alcabrera#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60223/15:28
flaper87controllers*15:28
flaper87queue, message, claims15:28
alcabreraneeds 3 controllers ^^15:28
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kgriffsok, if we have one more person volunteer to help15:28
alcabreraand two more for sharding15:28
flaper87alcabrera: you could work on the sharding part f it15:28
flaper87:D15:28
kgriffsthen they can divide up controllers with Yeela15:29
flaper87I volunteered alcabrera15:29
flaper87:D15:29
alcabreraI'm tied up 'til January, but after that, I'd love to. :)15:29
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megan_walcabrera: i was hoping you'd say that :)15:29
flaper87sounds good!15:29
kgriffssharding should "just work" shouldn't it?15:29
flaper87megan_w: LOL15:29
alcabrera#info alcabrera volunteers to work on sqlalchemy/sharding controllers for January15:29
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alcabrerakgriffs: yes, with one caveat15:29
alcabreraAs it stands now15:30
alcabreraPeople would still have to deploy a mongodb-based catalogue15:30
alcabreraso~15:30
alcabrerasqlalchemy/{shards,catalogue}.py need to be implemented to meet the grad req15:30
flaper87but the sharding is optional15:30
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alcabrerahmmm15:31
flaper87so, as far as the requirement is concerned, having support for the storage controllers it's enough15:31
flaper87IMHO15:31
alcabreraif sharding is optional, then those controllers are optional. I'm worried about the wording of the req "real production"15:31
flaper87alcabrera: don't worry, we can get rid of that15:31
flaper87:D15:31
alcabrerakk15:31
flaper87:D15:31
alcabreralol15:31
flaper87:D15:31
flaper87I'm joking15:31
flaper87mmh, that's an interesting point though15:32
flaper87because the "real production" environemnt needs you'd have with mongo are not necesarilly the same you'd have with mysql15:32
flaper87you may actually not need on or the other15:32
kgriffs"Real production" doesn't necessarily mean "public cloud" or "massive deployment"15:33
kgriffswhich is where sharding comes in handy15:33
flaper87exactly15:33
alcabreraalright15:33
kgriffswe should try to make it happen, but I think it could slip into i-2 if need be15:33
flaper87that's why I think that having support for the storage controllers would indeed cover that graduation requirement15:33
kgriffsalcabrera: can you create a blueprint for doing that for sharding?15:33
alcabrera"that" == add sqlalchemy sharding controllers?15:34
alcabrerakgriffs: ^^15:34
kgriffsalcabrera: yes15:34
alcabrerawill do!15:34
kgriffsthanks!15:34
alcabrera#action alcabrera to draft BP for sqlalchemy sharding controllers15:34
kgriffsok, so everyone go review that table patch!15:34
flaper87awesome15:34
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kgriffsalcabrera: just assign it to graduation milestone for now. I'll set priority and mark as "accepted"15:35
kgriffsalcabrera: ping me when you have it ready. Thanks!15:35
alcabrerakk :)15:35
kgriffsmoving on15:35
kgriffs#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-marconiclient/+spec/python-marconiclient-v115:35
kgriffslet me set that milestone to graduation15:36
flaper87I don't think there's one15:36
kgriffsheh15:36
flaper87:D15:36
kgriffslooks like the client doesn't have teh milestones15:36
kgriffsflaper87: would you mine creating an icehouse release and some milestones for the client?15:37
kgriffss/mine/mind15:37
flaper87Yes sir15:37
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flaper87btw, I've an off-topic thing to say about the client milestones. Will do that offline15:38
kgriffskk15:38
alcabrerakgriffs: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/sql-sharding-controllers15:38
alcabreraalso15:38
alcabrera#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/sql-sharding-controllers15:38
kgriffsalcabrera: thanks! updated.15:39
alcabreraawesome15:39
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kgriffshttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/heat-template15:40
kgriffsshould we change the status to "good progress"?15:40
kgriffs#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/heat-template15:40
kgriffsdo we need to reassign?15:40
flaper87kgriffs: slow progress15:40
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kgriffsor blocked?15:40
kgriffsblocked by client lib?15:40
flaper87Yup, that sounds about right15:41
alcabrera+1 for Blocked15:41
flaper87kgriffs: I reassigned it to liang15:42
kgriffskk15:42
kgriffsI guess the assignee doesn't have to actually do the work, but is responsible for reporting status15:42
kgriffsanyway, not a big deal15:42
kgriffs#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/devstack-support15:42
flaper87implemented15:43
kgriffsextra-fresh box of pop-tarts for flaper87!15:43
flaper87w00000t15:43
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kgriffsand two tickets to go see that band he loves15:43
* flaper87 shares with everybody15:43
kgriffssrsly, thanks for getting that done15:43
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kgriffswe are getting official-er all the time!15:44
flaper87btw15:44
flaper87something raised in that review, which I agree with, is that we picked a weird port number15:44
flaper87:)15:44
flaper87it's actually gunicorn's default port15:44
mpanettaThere are weird port #'s?15:44
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alcabreraport 8000 seems like the most normal port in the world to me. ;)15:45
* alcabrera uses gunicorn all the time15:45
flaper87so, if we'll ever think about changing it, we better do it before graduation15:45
kgriffsoh15:45
kgriffswere they expecting, e.g., 80?15:45
flaper87I think 5315:45
flaper87because we hat DNS15:45
flaper87hate15:45
kgriffslol15:46
mpanettaheh15:46
kgriffswhy not 42?15:46
* kgriffs likes 4215:46
* cpallares likes 42 too15:46
flaper87solution to everything15:46
flaper87:D15:46
alcabrerathe answer to everything, kgriffs? :P15:46
alcabreraheh15:46
cpallareshaha15:46
flaper87erm, answer is the right word15:46
flaper87:D15:46
flaper87anyway, I'm happy with 888815:46
kgriffsok, whatever they like15:46
flaper87it's weird but you know, we're all weird after all15:46
flaper87we are not using pecan15:47
* kgriffs thinks people are wierd15:47
flaper87we're doing QaaS15:47
flaper87we've the funiest channel ever15:47
flaper87:D15:47
kgriffs:D15:47
flaper87We couldn't be weirder than this15:47
kgriffswhat?15:47
mpanettaOh surely we could.15:47
* kgriffs looks innocent15:47
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flaper87LOOL15:47
alcabrerahaha15:47
kgriffsmoving on15:48
kgriffs;)15:48
alcabrera#info marconi-team has no shortage of weirdness15:48
* mpanetta looks at /etc/services and sees an unused port at 70 :P15:48
alcabrerayup - triaging things next? :)15:48
kgriffs#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/tempest-integration15:48
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mpanettaNobody uses gopher anymore right? :P15:48
kgriffstempest15:48
alcabreramalini isn't here yet today15:48
kgriffsbooh15:48
alcabreraI heard that she's ramping up on that15:48
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kgriffsstarted?15:48
alcabreraI believe so.15:49
* kgriffs updates status15:49
kgriffs#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/pecan-framework15:49
kgriffsstill on my todo list15:49
kgriffsanyone is welcome to help15:49
* kgriffs is biased, after all ;)15:50
alcabrera:P15:50
mpanettaWhat is wrong with falcon?15:50
alcabreraI'll see what I can do come January.15:50
kgriffssrsly. Nice guys. Met the maintainer and original author in HK15:50
* mpanetta is curious15:50
kgriffsbut... we have some philosophical differences, I must admit15:50
alcabrerampanetta: pecan is the current OS-blessed wsgi framework, so it's preferred tha projects implement their wsgi layer using pecan.15:50
* kgriffs is a minimalist15:51
alcabrera*that15:51
mpanettaoic15:51
mpanettathanks alcabrera15:51
alcabreranp. :)15:51
kgriffsfor the record, WSME is not as blessed15:51
kgriffsmainly because it falls on it's face when it comes to API extensions15:51
kgriffs</digression>15:52
flaper878 mins left15:52
alcabreranext? :)15:52
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kgriffshmmm15:53
kgriffshttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/pecan-framework15:53
flaper87LOL15:53
kgriffsoops sorry15:53
flaper87I thought you were trolling us15:53
* kgriffs freudian slip15:53
flaper87:D15:53
alcabreralol15:53
kgriffs#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/marconi-horizon-integration15:53
flaper87mmh15:53
alcabrerawho is working on that? who would work on that?15:53
flaper87that's compeltely stalled15:53
kgriffsyeah15:54
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flaper87It'd be nice to have someone from the community to work on that15:54
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kgriffsi don't see it happening soon unless we get a new contributor15:54
flaper87FWIW, I don't think it's a strong requirement for graduation15:54
kgriffsyeah, hence i-315:54
alcabrerathe wording says "nice to have", on the grad reqs page15:54
alcabreraso I agree15:55
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kgriffsplus, it can go into horizon project, so as long as it is done before the freeze, we are good15:55
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alcabrera#info Marconi needs eager Horizon volunteer to make Horizon-integration happen15:55
kgriffsand this is assuming we become integrated this cycle15:55
alcabreratrue15:56
kgriffsI'm not totally confident that infra has the bandwidth to add us in15:56
cpallareswhat's the freeze??15:56
kgriffs(this time around)15:56
kgriffscpallares: there is a feature freeze just before each release15:56
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kgriffs#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule15:56
flaper87If we don't get integrated this cycle, it's fine as well15:56
kgriffscpallares: ^^^15:56
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kgriffsflaper87: yeah15:57
kgriffsbut, I want us to still strive for it15:57
kgriffsyou know, student syndrome15:57
flaper87I'd rather make sure we're full-featured before being integrated than graduating without having a good support15:57
kgriffslet's get a "1.0" thing done sometimes this decade. :D15:57
flaper87kgriffs: +115:57
alcabreraheh, yeah... 1.0. :D15:57
alcabrerawe'll get there15:57
alcabrera1.5 minutes15:58
kgriffsok, we hit the essential bps15:58
kgriffs#topic open discussion15:58
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alcabreraany closing thoughts?15:58
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kgriffsfirst thing from me, real quick15:58
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kgriffseach mtg I'd like to quickly review in-flight bps15:58
kgriffsseems to be a pattern followed by other teams15:58
alcabrera+115:58
kgriffssecond thing15:58
kgriffswait, back on first thing15:59
* kgriffs confuses self15:59
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kgriffsso, if you are assigned a bp or bug, be prepared to defend yourself. I mean, explain youself.15:59
flaper87self = self.confused_self15:59
kgriffsi mean, give an update15:59
kgriffs:D15:59
alcabreralol15:59
kgriffssecond thing15:59
kgriffsif you register a bp I am going to ignore it until you set a milestone.16:00
adrian_ottokgriffs: all done?16:00
kgriffsadrian_otto: wrapping up16:00
kgriffsok folks, let's let solum folks do their thing16:00
flaper87o/16:00
alcabreracool16:00
kgriffs#endmeeting16:00
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Dec 10 16:00:50 2013 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:00
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-12-10-15.05.html16:00
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-12-10-15.05.txt16:00
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-12-10-15.05.log.html16:00
alcabreraI'll update the agenda/minutes16:00
kgriffsalcabrera: thanks!16:01
adrian_otto#startmeeting Solum Team Meeting16:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Dec 10 16:01:42 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting'16:01
adrian_otto#topic Roll Call16:01
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paulmoPaul Montgomery, Rackspace16:01
funzoChris Alfonso, Red Hat16:01
adrian_ottohello everyone16:01
funzogood morning16:02
datsun180bhi there16:02
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russellbRussell Bryant, OpenStack16:02
jwforresJessica Forrester16:02
gokrokve_Georgy Okrokvertskhov16:02
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coolsvapSwapnil16:02
devkulkarniDevdatta16:02
claytoncClayton16:02
kgriffsKurt16:02
adrian_ottowelcome everyone16:03
adrian_otto#topic Agenda16:03
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adrian_otto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum Today's Agenda16:03
adrian_otto#topic Announcements16:03
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brianclineBrian Cline / SoftLayer16:03
adrian_ottoAre there any announcements the team members would like to make?16:03
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adrian_ottook, to blueprints16:04
adrian_otto#topic Review Blueprints16:04
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adrian_otto#link https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/milestone-1 Milestone 1 Blueprints16:04
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/api Solum API16:04
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adrian_ottoNote: I'd like to timebox this to ~10 minutes. We can schedule a breakout for a longer Q&A if there is interest.16:04
adrian_ottoStatus: Drafting Plan design proposal16:04
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adrian_otto#link Draft WIP: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/solum-demystified16:04
adrian_ottowe can take a moment to look that Etherpad over and collect feedback on the file and resource for the Plan16:05
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adrian_ottoI recognize we will need more than just a couple of minutes to dig in and understand everything here16:06
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adrian_ottoso feel free to mark up the etherpad with your remarks and questions16:06
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devkulkarniadrian_otto: yes, its big. (and excited to see this)16:06
claytoncyeah, same16:06
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devkulkarnione quick question: what is 'origin' in a plan?16:07
adrian_ottodevananda: thanks. I look forward to working through this with you this week16:07
adrian_ottoorigin is where the plan came from, such as "Solum Model Interpreter"16:07
adrian_ottoor "Adrian's Platform Hosting"16:07
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adrian_ottoin the case where you have a plan that was created on one system, and exported to another, you want some label that can indicate where it was produced16:07
devkulkarniah okay.16:08
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gpilz1also helps platforms recognize "their own" plans16:08
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devkulkarnigreat to see the build service in the 'services' section :)16:08
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adrian_ottoyes, you can even get to a point where there is no language pack at all, just a service for "Python Build" for example16:10
adrian_ottoand the language pack selection can be implicit16:10
devkulkarniabout component type, would it be useful to identify the specific kind of component (e.g.: db, or ip-handler)16:10
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devkulkarnithis is not related to the current bp probably, but just thinking out loud16:10
rajdeepshould there be auto detection of the app type16:10
rajdeepin case nothing is specified16:10
adrian_ottooh, a component is extensible, so we can add any number of attributes to it16:11
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adrian_ottobasically in the scheme I'm proposing anything prefixed with solum_ can go into basically any resource anywhere16:11
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devkulkarniI see. So instead of defining a generic 'attributes' map or something, we will introduce attributes that start with 'solum_' as and when we need.16:12
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adrian_ottook, so take just a few more minutes, and we will skip forward to discussing the status of CLI16:13
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adrian_ottodevananda: Yes, that's how the Extensions will work16:13
adrian_ottoit allow for *anything* to be added as long as it does not contradict the base functionality16:14
adrian_ottothat allows different service providers to surface different features16:14
adrian_ottobut in a way that won't clash16:14
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adrian_ottoso if Rackspace wanted a foo attribute16:14
adrian_ottowe could have rax_foo on there16:14
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adrian_ottoas an Extension loaded in our Solum setup16:14
adrian_ottomake sense?16:15
russellbdevananda: tab completion fail i think16:15
adrian_ottobut if you put vendor specific stuff into your plans, then you can't expect your plan to be portable16:15
devanandarussellb: it seems that way :)16:15
devkulkarniadrian_otto: yeah, makes sense16:15
adrian_ottook, so please get me additional feedback, and ML follow-up as needed to continue to advance on this topic16:15
devkulkarnirussellb: I think that is what must be happening :)16:16
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adrian_ottodid I miss something important?16:16
devkulkarninah, nothing.16:16
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coolsvapdevkulkarni :)16:16
adrian_ottooh, you had me worried for a sec16:16
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adrian_ottooh, whoops, that was tab completion. Sorry devkulkarni16:17
devkulkarnihe he.. no worries :)16:17
adrian_ottosorry devananda16:17
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-minimal-cli Command Line Interface For Solum (devdatta-kulkarni)16:17
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devkulkarniOkay. So here is a brief update.16:18
devkulkarni•Looked at the Trove cli; Plan to use this as starting point: https://github.com/openstack/python-troveclient/tree/master/troveclient/compat16:18
devkulkarni•Next step is to look at cliff (https://github.com/dreamhost/cliff) and see how that can be used.16:18
devkulkarnidatsun180b has helped us with understanding the Trove cli16:18
devkulkarnidatsun180b: thanks for the help16:19
kgriffsdevkulkarni: how will this play into the effort to create a single CLI for openstack projects?16:19
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kgriffsI suppose since solum is not even incubated yet, it may not (play into it) yet16:19
devkulkarnikgriffs: good question. haven't thought that through yet.16:20
adrian_ottokgriffs: I atually met with DRG about that last week.16:20
devkulkarniopen to suggetions/feedback on whether we should be targeting that from M116:20
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kgriffsadrian_otto: cool16:20
adrian_ottowe are looped in and Jesse Noller will be subscribing to our review stream16:20
adrian_ottoso since he is driving our overall OpenStack alignment efforts, we will ride his coattails on that16:21
kgriffsmakes sense16:21
adrian_ottoand he will inform us as progress is made on the OpenStack SDK efforts16:21
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kgriffss/onyo/onto16:21
russellbwho is DRG?16:21
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adrian_ottowe can invite him to this meeting for periodic updates16:21
devkulkarnicool. adrian_otto, will keep an eye out for updates about this frm you16:21
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sapuridevkulkarni: besides the app create-delete commands, are the rest of the app lifecycle commands in scope for m1 - e.g. app start / stop /restart etc?16:22
kgriffsrussellb: Rackspace16:22
adrian_ottorussellb: It's our Developer Relations Group. They make tools for Rackspace customers, and are contributing to OpenStack16:22
adrian_ottothey are interested in helping unify the OpenStack CLI16:22
russellbok16:22
russellbshould talk to whoever is working on the unified CLI project too :)16:22
adrian_ottoI will connect you with Jesse16:23
russellbmaybe they are, just got confused when you switched to rax talk16:23
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adrian_ottothey are planning some more ML discussion too, that that's coming soon16:23
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adrian_ottorussellb: sorry about that.16:23
devkulkarnisapuri: its not set in stone. if we are done with the create/delete, we will pull in the rest16:23
kgriffsI guess I assumed Jesse was already in touch with doug et al. on that16:23
russellbprobably is16:23
adrian_ottokgriffs: yes16:23
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adrian_ottook, more discussion on CLI, or should we advance to Git?16:24
datsun180bmy two cents is maybe focus stays on minimal and if/when general OS direction is decided, move toward that goal16:24
adrian_ottodatsun180b: that's exactly the approach16:24
adrian_ottowe will work entirely in parallel16:24
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adrian_ottountil we have things to converge on16:25
datsun180bplenty of time to vet cliff or other unified approaches16:25
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-git-pull Pull integration of Solum from an external Git repo (kraman)16:25
kramanHi, so summary of out last meeting:16:25
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kramanWe agreed that the git workflow would be configurable and will be logged and auditable16:25
kramanthere would also be a configuration allowing ops to specify a regex for allowed URLs16:26
kramanso they may restrict it as they see fit16:26
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kramanThere was discussion around using Zuul16:26
kramanand I am hoping to meet up with mordred later to get a diagram of his thoughts on that16:26
mordredsorry. it's my fault16:26
kramanour next meeting is scheduled for tomorrow at 8 am PST16:26
mordredI owe documentation16:27
mordredtwo conferences in a week happened16:27
kramanand thats where we stand right now16:27
kramanmordred: no problem. if you have time today we can discuss it before tomorrows meeting16:27
paulczarI assume zuul would be optional ?16:27
adrian_ottokraman: thanks16:27
mordredbut I promose - when I get it done, you'll all love it and we can all go raise bunnies or somehting :)16:27
adrian_ottomordred: lol16:27
mordredpaulczar: I don't think so16:27
kramanpaulczar: we havent decided on it yet. still needs discussion16:27
kramanbut right now it feels like it would not be optional16:28
adrian_ottook, ready for next blueprint?16:28
kramanthere are other questions I had as well which I have sent on the ML16:28
kramanadrian_otto: yes. thanks16:28
mordredyeah. we'll get more deets. sorry for the delay16:28
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/user-authentication User authentication for incoming requests (gokrokvertskhov)16:28
adrian_ottoSee: https://review.openstack.org/5881116:28
rajdeep_can we assume other workflow engines can be plugged in as well16:28
gokrokve_Hi. I added a new patch set for it. Now it passed gates.16:29
adrian_ottogokrokve_: WHOOT16:29
adrian_ottook, so note to reviewers to have a look at that patch set and make remarks16:29
russellbgokrokve_: cool, will try to review today16:29
gokrokve_It has some small tricks for python33 in test_auth16:29
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adrian_ottogokrokve_: can you explain them for us here?16:29
russellbgokrokve_: do you have a functional test for it?16:29
gokrokve_if import of keystone fails, all tests will be skipped16:30
russellbgokrokve_: need to get the gate running the functional tests soon (so far it's just starting up the API in devstack)16:30
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gokrokve_russellb: there is no functional tests for that. Only unit tests.16:30
russellbOK, that'd be something nice to add ... can be another patch though, i suppose16:30
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brianclinecool16:31
adrian_ottogokrokve_: thanks for the work in thinking through unit+func tests16:31
gokrokve_russellb: but this patch affects all functional tests. Authentication is enabled by default, so you need to have keystone and credentials to run tests against app.16:31
russellbright16:31
adrian_ottoand russellb for his contributions there too16:31
adrian_ottogokrokve_:  (unless your func tests sets up auth to be False as the stest is stood up, right)?16:32
gokrokve_adrian_otto: yes. you can do this.16:32
adrian_ottoso that would be acceptable for non-auth related func tests16:33
russellbwould like to start requiring functional tests for everything in the APi as things come in though16:33
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adrian_ottorussellb: +116:33
adrian_ottook, more remarks on this one?16:33
devkulkarnirussellb: +116:33
gokrokve_russellb: As soon as we have all required infrastructure around that.16:33
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russellbwell, should be able to do it now16:33
russellbthey're just not running in the gate yet16:33
russellbclose though16:33
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gokrokve_russellb: We need to keep base configuration somewhere.16:33
adrian_ottogood discussion. Maybe this needs a blueprint?16:34
adrian_ottoI'll entertain one for that, if someone feels like drafting one.16:35
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/specify-lang-pack Specify the language pack to be used for app deploy (devdatta-kulkarni)16:35
gokrokve_adrian_otto: Sure. We need couple bps to organize tests and processes around them.16:35
sapurigokrokve: is the intent to also leverage the notion of tenancy that comes with openstack/keystone,16:35
gokrokve_sapuri: Yes. I am thinking about that. It will be a separate BP.16:36
devkulkarniHere is an update on the specify-lang-pack bp:16:36
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devkulkarni•Status: Had discussion in language pack working group meeting; came up with https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Solum-Language-pack-json-format16:36
devkulkarni•Status: Need input on the endpoint (/v1/language-packs/ vs. /v1/components/)16:36
gokrokve_sapuri: We need to design some unified approach wich works with and without keystone auth.16:36
devkulkarniTo give a overall context, we agreed to have a API for language packs in M1 in Solum16:37
devkulkarniThere was discussion around whether we should skip it and directly use glance (or heater) apis for this.16:37
adrian_ottodevkulkarni: the /services might be where we want to list language packs, or possibly in a catalog service, which has been a topic of discussion on the ML16:37
claytonccatalog service was exactly what got discussed :)16:37
devkulkarniWe agreed that in the background Solum may use glance/heater etc. but API should be built in Solum16:37
devkulkarniclaytonc: right16:38
brianclineI hate to add a third option to think about, but perhaps "kits"?16:38
adrian_ottogot it16:38
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adrian_ottobriancline: ooh, I like that!16:38
devkulkarniadrian_otto: /services makes sense16:38
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sapurigokrokve: got it.. the authz portions of keystone are limited, but can be built upon using various roles.. the permissions for the roles would have to be maintained in solum db, i would assume16:39
devkulkarniI have started working on this, will have a patch sometime soon.16:39
adrian_ottook, next blueprint...16:39
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/logging Logging Architecture (paulmo)16:39
adrian_ottoSee: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/Logging16:39
paulmoAh, beat me to the 2nd link.  The 2nd link contains some guidance for how to log and what to watch out for.16:40
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paulmoThis will be expanded and I will add more explanation in there.16:40
paulmoDoes this look reasonable to everyone?16:40
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russellbpaulmo: more code expected?  or firming up guidelines?16:41
adrian_ottohow does the team feel about making the OpenStack Security Guide (OSSG) the basis for the Solum security architecture?16:41
claytonc+!16:41
paulmoThis is attempting to set a process for logging.  Clayton showed how Oslo log can be used to identify confidential data.16:41
claytonc+116:41
devkulkarnipaulmo: in the 'extra' section, we would need both 'key' and 'value', right?16:41
russellbheh, OSSG is also the acronym for the OpenStack Security Group16:42
devkulkarniI think there might be a typo "value=value"16:42
adrian_ottowith some additioanl solum specific concerns added as justified by this team16:42
paulmoIn the example, key wasn't confidential.   Perhaps a better name would be appropriate for the example though.16:42
russellbseems fine though16:42
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adrian_ottopaulmo you said you were going to dress up the examples a bit, so I think that's a WIP, right?16:42
paulmoOk, no concerns about the logging guidelines? I would like to use that in reviews going forward.16:42
paulmoYes16:42
paulmoI will modify based on all feedback received. :_16:43
paulmo:)16:43
adrian_ottook, any objections to documenting an agreement: "OpenStack Security Guide (OSSG) will be the basis for the Solum security architecture"16:43
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adrian_otto?16:43
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russellbdon't think i've read it all, but i'm sure it's sane :)16:43
paulmoI think that is a perfect start to architecting our security model.16:43
devkulkarnirussellb: same here.16:44
adrian_ottook, I'm happy to revisit this later if we find something ridiculous in there16:44
devkulkarnisounds good16:44
paulmoIf we agree to go in that direction, I would create a list of Solum security topics vs operator security implementation and get agreement fromt he group if that sounds like a feasible path.16:44
russellbif something ridiculous was in there, it'd be an issue bigger than just solum's concern, heh16:44
devkulkarnipaulmo: +116:44
adrian_ottoplus, we are participating in the OSSG, so we can get it changed if we find something that we truly can't accept16:44
russellbi think every project should be on board with what's in there, and should contribute as applicable16:44
adrian_ottorussellb: exactly16:44
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paulmorussellb: Yes, I plan to contribute to the spec where we find new Solum issues.16:45
adrian_otto#agreed OpenStack Security Guide (OSSG) will be the basis for the Solum security architecture16:45
coolsvapno objections as long as #Solum follows the #OpenStack way from start :)16:45
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adrian_otto#agreed Solum will have additional security requirements as needed, documented on our Wiki pages16:46
adrian_otto(as security concerns pertain to applications)16:46
russellbcoolsvap: +1, and alternatively, work to influence the OpenStack way instead of just diverging without broader conversation when applicable16:46
paulmoHere is the link to the addition Solum-specific requirements (to be, need to clean up vs the OSSG): https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/Security16:46
adrian_ottoour last blueprint was mentioned earlier, so this should be a quick update:16:46
rajdeep_+1 on using the standard OSSG with additional layers where ever applicable16:46
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rajdeep_containers / docket16:47
adrian_otto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/Security16:47
adrian_otto(for the minutes)16:47
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rajdeep_docker could be one area where additional hardening is required16:47
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adrian_ottorajdeep_: absolutely16:47
paulmoYes, agreed rajdeep_16:47
adrian_ottolast blueprint now...16:47
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-zuul-integration Solum integration with Zuul (devdatta-kulkarni)16:48
devkulkarniactually, for update on the last bp, we can just wait for mordred to send the flow/diagram for Zuul.16:48
adrian_ottook, so no update needed16:48
adrian_otto#topic Open Discussion16:48
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kramandevkulkarni: is that BP just a seb BP of the git workflow16:48
funzoalso, waiting for responses to krishna's email re Zuul16:48
kramans/seb/sub/16:48
claytoncadrian_otto: as per the langpack meeting yesterday there's a spec missing from M1 that we said would be essential16:49
claytoncwhich was langpack-examples16:49
devkulkarnidevkulkarni: it is a separate bp than git workflow. I had created it as a placeholder for investigating Zuul.16:49
devkulkarnisorry I meant kraman16:49
devkulkarni:D16:49
adrian_ottoclaytonc: is there a new blueprint for me to process?16:49
kraman:) k16:49
claytonci have a todo to draft that as a sub-BP of the lang pack BP16:49
kramandevkulkarni: perhaps after discussion with mordred we can merge that into git. lets see16:49
devkulkarnikraman: but, yeah, it can be considered as a sub bp of the overall git workflow16:49
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claytoncit would be the Java/Python example image langpacks suitable for consumption by dev's get-lang-pack and specify-lang-pack16:49
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devkulkarnikraman: may make sense to do that.16:50
claytoncbut it would be strictly scoped to what is required for M1 and would serve as a foundation for later, post M1 specs that might deal with more complex langpacks16:50
adrian_ottoare there other new blueprints that we should consider for M1?16:50
kramanclaytonc: adrian_otto: need some guidance from lang-pack BP workgroup as to where they want the git-sources available for processing16:50
kramanjust FYI, perhaps it can be an item on next meeting agenda16:51
adrian_ottokraman: okay, any suggestions?16:51
claytonckraman: we didn't get to that topic, the new spec would "own" that reqt and we can discuss it at next monday's meeting.  my initial thoughts are that it's an argument to a known "execution script"16:51
kramanclaytonc: sure. lets discussion next meeting. argument sounds fine. but it may need to be a (bind)-mounted into the VM or container16:52
claytonckraman: agree its both16:52
devkulkarniadrian_otto: stating the obvious. anything that is required for end to end working example, and which has not been identified yet needs to be identified and scoped as part of current blue prints or new blue prints16:52
claytoncthe argument is to let the script know where it's bind mounted - since different OS' may not have the same path semantics16:52
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adrian_ottodevananda: Thakns. I'm fishing for ones that meet that criteria that have been submitted as new that I should take notice of, and target accordingly16:53
adrian_ottoI did it again, darn it16:53
adrian_otto^^ devkulkarni16:53
devananda:)16:53
devkulkarni:)16:53
adrian_ottosorry devananda16:53
paulmo#link http://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/content/openstack_user_guide.html (OS Security Guide Link from previous discussion)16:53
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adrian_ottothanks paulmo16:53
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devkulkarnipaulmo: is there any specific parts of the guide that developers should focus on first?16:55
adrian_otto5 mins remaiing16:56
paulmoI think it is good to quickly review in general but I'll try to pull out what looks like Solum work vs operator/devops work for review by the group if that sounds good.16:56
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devkulkarnipaulmo: thanks. that will be helpful.16:56
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paulmoOnce we have that, we can start discussing security milestones.16:57
devkulkarnipaulmo: sounds good16:57
adrian_ottook, sounds like we are ready to wrap up16:58
adrian_ottothanks everyone for attending!16:58
adrian_otto#endmeeting16:58
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ativelkov#startmeeting murano17:00
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ativelkovHi Muranoers!17:01
ativelkovAnybody here today?17:01
tsufievhi!17:01
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dteselkinHi !17:01
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sergmelikyan-a\o17:01
ativelkovLet's start then17:02
stanlagunhi17:02
ativelkovLet's start with AI review, as usual17:02
ativelkov#topic AI review17:02
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ativelkovativelkov to fix the security groups cidd assignment17:03
ativelkovThis is done, the fix has been reviewed and merged to master branch already17:03
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ativelkovativelkov to update the blueprint on advanced networking17:03
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ativelkovThis is not done yet: too many tasks are pending on other documentation, so I could not find time to do it17:04
ativelkovwill do next week, I hope17:04
ativelkov#action ativelkov to update the blueprint on advanced networking17:04
ativelkovNext, katyafervent to transfer api spec to docbook17:04
gokrokve_Hi17:04
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tsufievcurrently she is away, but afaik she did it17:05
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ativelkovOk, that' good17:05
ativelkovThe remaining are on you, Timur:17:05
ativelkovtsufiev to create launchpad issues to track bugs with security group cords and MS SQL cluster IP17:06
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tsufievdone17:07
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ativelkovtsufiev to implement the subnet detection routing in the dashboard17:07
ativelkovIs this done as well?17:07
tsufievalso done, finally implemented it today17:07
ativelkovGood!17:07
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ativelkovOk, let's discuss the upcoming 0.4 then17:08
ativelkov#topic release 0.417:08
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ativelkovtsufiev, please share an update17:08
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tsufievwe have fixed all bugs in Metadata Repository (that are known)17:09
tsufievwe have a code freeze today, also17:09
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ativelkovIs it already active?17:09
tsufievso right now we trying to ensure that nothing broken in 0.4 remains17:09
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tsufievwe're currently testing MS SQL Cluster deployment - it seems, that some port were open previously by default17:10
ativelkovI mean, is the stable 0.4 branch is created?17:10
tsufievand now we need to specify them manually17:10
tsufievnot yet, i'l do it in an hour or so17:10
ativelkovOk17:11
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ativelkov#info code freeze for 0.4 scheduled for today, will occur in about 10 am PST17:11
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ativelkovtnurlygayanov_: can you comment on the bugs known in 0.4 by far?17:11
tnurlygayanov_so, we hova no critical issues in the release 0.417:12
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ativelkov#info No critical issues in 0.4 discovered yet17:12
tnurlygayanov_and we plan to fix some major features during the next few days17:13
ativelkovwhat do you mean by major features? Is something not implemented yet - or you mean bugs?17:13
tsufievtnurlygayanov_: are they related to fuel?17:13
tnurlygayanov_all automated tests, which we executed on our test lab are passed for this release17:13
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tnurlygayanov_or? sorry, major bugs )17:13
ativelkovOk. We need to decide if we really want to fix them or document as known issues and proceed.17:14
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tsufievtnurlygayanov_: do you mean major bugs in murano itself or fuel integration issues?17:14
ativelkovUsually code freeze means that check-ins are allowed only for critical bugs17:14
ativelkovSo, I would suggest17:15
tnurlygayanov_in Murano, yes. Need to fix and merge commti for key pair, for  example17:15
ativelkovto either escalate the status of the bugs to "critical" - or to postpone the fix till 0.4.117:15
tnurlygayanov_it does not work now )17:15
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tnurlygayanov_ok, we will review bugs descriptions and will change priorities and mailstones for all bugs17:16
ativelkov#info some major bugs remain. Some of them may be escalated and fixed before the release, others will remain as known issue17:16
tsufievafair, key pairs wasn't specified as 0.4 deliverables...17:16
tsufievis it a critical feature?17:17
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ativelkovyup. Also, the linux images which we use for this Apps usually allow root login via the horizon console17:17
ativelkovSo, I don't think that they are really crtitical17:17
ativelkovBut it is up to you to decide, as you are the owner of the release17:18
tnurlygayanov_it is small non critical feature, but implementation of linux services without this feature is incomple17:18
tsufievi'd prefer to postpone them until 0.4.117:18
ativelkovAnyway, we need to schedule a service release 0.4.1 which will fix these known issues and will add role-based access control to Simplified Metadata Repository17:18
tnurlygayanov_ok, no problem, let's move it to 0.4.117:19
tsufievgood :)17:19
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ativelkov#agreed to postpone kypair fix till 0.4.117:19
joel_cjoel_c: when do we expect 0.4.1 to land?  approximately?17:19
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ativelkovDepends on the feature set. If this is just bug fixes + RBAC, then about mid january17:20
ativelkovMay be earlier, but long holiday seasons tend to consume time17:21
joel_cativelkov: sounds good.17:21
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ativelkovIs that all what we have for 0.4, tsufiev?17:22
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tsufievativelkov: almost forgotten. Also all needed heat patches were ported to havana - to make ms sql cluster work17:23
tsufievnow i think that's all17:23
ativelkovI thought that allowed address pairs is not ported to havanna17:23
ativelkovAt least yesterday I saw it in their master, but not in stable/havana17:24
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tsufievi rebased patches made from master onto stable/havana17:24
tsufievdteselkin applied it today on our lab, it works17:24
ativelkovAh, I see17:25
ativelkovbut the official Heat does not have it in their Havanna release17:25
ativelkovThis means that our implementation of  MS SQL Cluster will work either on the latest trunk of the Heat - or on patched deployment of Havana17:26
ativelkovbut not on the out-of-the-box Havana17:26
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tsufievyes, exactly17:26
ativelkovThis is fine, but we need to track such limitations carefully17:26
ativelkovtsufiev, this should get into the release notes of 0.417:27
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tsufievativelkov: ok, will add it17:27
ativelkov#action tsufiev to ensure that allowed_ip_addresses limitation gets its way into release notes of 0.417:27
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ativelkovOk, let's move on17:28
ativelkov#topic release 0.5 planning17:28
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ativelkovSo, we have completed vision for DSL design17:29
ativelkovsome of it are summarised in ether pad at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MuranoMetadata17:29
ativelkovWe are going to complete the pad this week and move the final definition to wiki17:30
ativelkovAnd then create a series of blueprint to implement the minimal feature set of this spec in the 0.517:30
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ativelkovAfaik, stanlagun is doing some PoC with the engine for the new DSL right now17:31
ativelkovstanlagun, can you share some update on this topic17:31
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ativelkov?17:31
stanlagunWell it is going not so fast as I hoped17:32
stanlagunbecause of many meatings we have17:32
stanlagunbut I expect it to be completed by next comunity meeting17:32
ativelkovWhat set of functionality may we expect?17:33
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ativelkov#info new-DSL engine is being prototyped. ETA - next tuesday17:34
stanlagunCurrently I'm trying to implement some workflow engine prototype that can handle simultenious task execution. The goal is also to implement classes for underlying type system. That is a DOM model for the DSL17:34
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ativelkov#info prototype will have a DOM model with parser and a simple workflow engine17:34
ativelkovstanlagun what about Mistral? Are we going to use it for the workflows?17:35
stanlagunAs a result it will be possible to declare and implement workflow for some Hello-World class17:35
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stanlagunNo. Mistral is yet far from our minimal requirements. But it is moving fast and I'm present on all of their meetings to be sure it is going in good direction. I expect that we can start using Mistral by 0.6-0.7 timeframe17:36
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ativelkovThanks17:36
ativelkov#info PoC of the new workflow engine is not going to use Mistral. We will migrate to Mistral at later stages of the product17:37
ativelkovAlso, there was a long discussion in mailing list about HeatR17:37
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ativelkovIt turned out that there is a strong community demand for a generic unified Metadata Repository17:38
ativelkovwhich will be able to store various kinds of cataloged metadata17:38
ativelkovThe consensus in the list was reached that Glance should become such a reporsitory17:39
stanlagunIs it final?17:39
ativelkovOf course not17:39
ativelkovBut we should expect that it may come true17:40
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ativelkovSo, Murano should 1) be prepared for such changes and make a good use of the new repository if it emerges, 2) contribute our own ideas and experience17:41
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ativelkovIn general, this would be really beneficial for all the projects in the community17:41
ativelkovAnyway, until the final solution is made, we should demonstrate our own achievements in this area to the community17:42
ativelkovIt is suggested to present our simplified metadata repository17:42
ativelkovtsufiev has recorded a short video demo, gokrokve_ will send it to a mailing list17:43
ativelkovOk, that's all we have for 0.5 for now17:45
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ativelkov#topic Open Questions17:45
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ativelkovDoes anybody have any questions?17:45
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ativelkovOk, then I have a proposal17:46
ativelkovAs release 0.4 is moving to the delivery, I'd like to clean up the remaining bugs which we have at launchpad17:47
ativelkovSome of them are outdated, some need to be re-estimated17:47
ativelkovSo, I suggest to have a standard bug-scrub procedure17:47
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ativelkovI suggest to send an invitation to a mailing list - so all may participate in this procedure17:49
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ativelkovWe will then schedule a convenient timeslot and all do a bug scrub in #murano channel17:50
igormarnatSounds good17:50
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ativelkovcurrently we have 69 open bugs, so it should not take too long17:50
ativelkovlots of them are in "fix committed" state, so they are likely to be closed with the release of 0.417:51
ativelkovAny objections?17:51
ativelkov#agreed have a bug-scrub procedure to clean-up the launchpad issues after the release 0.4 goes public17:52
ativelkov#action ativelkov to send a bug-scrub invitation17:52
ativelkovOk, that's all I had. Any other questions?17:52
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ativelkovThen let's finish the meeting17:54
ativelkov#endmeeting17:54
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ativelkovThanks for joining17:54
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lifelessmorning19:00
rpodolyaka1o/19:00
lsmola_hello19:00
lifeless#startmeeting tripleo19:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Dec 10 19:00:41 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is lifeless. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
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dkehnhi19:00
slaglehi19:00
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lifelessulp, someone deleted standing agenda items, please hold while I recover from history19:01
tzumainnhiya19:01
jprovaznhi19:01
jistro/19:01
dprincesup19:01
devananda\o19:01
bnemec\o19:01
lifeless#topic agenda19:02
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lifeless     bugs19:02
lifeless    reviews19:02
lifeless    Projects needing releases19:02
lifeless    CD Cloud status19:02
lifeless    CI virtualized testing progress19:02
lifeless    Insert one-off agenda items here19:02
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lifeless    moving TripleO UI under Horizon codebase19:02
lifeless    open discussion19:02
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lifeless#topic bugs19:02
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lifeless#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/19:02
lifeless#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/19:02
lifeless#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config19:02
lifeless#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config19:02
lifeless#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config19:02
lifeless#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar19:02
lifeless#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar-ui19:02
lifeless#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient19:02
lifelesscriticals:19:03
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/125424619:03
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/125455519:03
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rpodolyaka1fix for the first one is on review19:03
rpodolyaka1one +2 so far19:03
rpodolyaka1but reviews in neutron are really slow19:04
lifelessuntriaged:19:04
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config/+bug/125835119:04
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/125297719:04
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/125941719:04
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/124226619:04
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lifelessrpodolyaka1: would it help if we agitate for these in the Neutron meeting; given they are regressions...19:05
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rpodolyaka1lifeless: ok. will try to ping folks in irc tomorrow, the meeting was yesterday19:06
lifelessrpodolyaka1: ok, cool19:06
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lifelessSo we're a little behind on triage; I know I let myself get a little slack, cause we were so well triaged for a while.19:07
lifelessReminder to everyone! triage all the projects once a week - many hands, light work.19:07
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jprovaznone bug which I think should be set to high or critical - https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1226310 (the neverending LIBVIRT_URI), if you agree, I'll be happy to create/send a patch which adds nova config option for this?19:08
lifelessA cursory look suggests at least one high in there19:08
lifelessjprovazn: hey; so I *thought* we fixed it back at the sprint19:08
slaglewe had a fix, it no longer works19:09
lifelessjprovazn: export it locally, or is this for the overcloud itself ?19:09
slaglethe environment variable in the systemd service file for nova compute no longer seems to be taking effect19:09
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jprovaznlifeless, I remember you mentioned it's sovled, but I never got abck to it since that, I think it's exported on wrong machine19:09
lifelessok, nuts.19:09
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slaglei wonder if something changed in the virtual power driver somewhere to how the evnironment is exported to ssh19:09
jprovaznlifeless, so quick fix: document it, longer/better fix: nova patch19:10
lifelessjprovazn: +1 IMO; review if nova have concerns19:10
lifelesss/review/revisit/19:10
slaglethere's no fix to document yet, unless we add to bashrc on the host or something19:10
slaglebut we can discuss post-meeting19:10
lifelessack19:10
jprovaznok19:10
lifelessany other bug business?19:10
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lifelessmoving on19:11
lifeless#topic reviews19:11
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lifeless#link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html19:12
lifeless19:12
lifelessStats since the last revision without -1 or -2 :19:12
lifeless    Average wait time: 3 days, 12 hours, 43 minutes19:12
lifeless    1rd quartile wait time: 0 days, 3 hours, 22 minutes19:12
lifeless    Median wait time: 0 days, 9 hours, 2 minutes19:12
lifeless    3rd quartile wait time: 8 days, 3 hours, 26 minutes19:12
lifelessso our latency is good - folk are getting prompt feedback19:12
lifelessare there any specific reviews folk want to talk about ?19:12
jomaralifeless: do you ever compare us to other projects?19:12
lifelessjomara: yes19:12
jomaralifeless: we have to be #1 in the business19:12
marioslifeless: srsly - this is beyond good. you should see what happens in neutron19:12
lifelessI'm really thrilled with how we're handling reviews19:13
lsmola_agreed, also Horizon is muuuch slower19:13
jomarayeah patches in horizon take weeks19:13
rpodolyaka1good job!19:13
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jomaraupside: you never have a hard time finding something to review there :)19:14
jcoufalo/19:14
lifelessjomara: zing :(19:14
tzumainnlol19:14
lifelessok, moving on19:14
lifeless#topic Projects needing releases19:14
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lifelessrpodolyaka1: Should we rotate the post, or are you up for another week ?19:15
rpodolyaka1lifeless: I am up19:15
lifeless#note rpodolyaka1 to release projects again - thanks!19:15
lifeless#topic CD Cloud status19:15
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lifelessSpamapS put in a tone of effort to turn around the quagmire we had gotten stuck in19:16
lifelessover the weekend we ran out of undercloud disk space19:16
lifelessWe're currently blocked on further improvements on the nova rebuild feature19:16
lifelessSpamapS: is there more we should capture?19:17
lifelessrpodolyaka1: any update on that? I've been struggling to get a deep enough timeslice to move it forward19:17
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rpodolyaka1lifeless: unfortunately, no :(19:17
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rpodolyaka1planning to hack on this tomorrow though19:18
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lifelessok; I'm wondering if we should cast a somewhat wider net - e.g. the main list - and ask for a volunteer19:18
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rpodolyaka1+119:18
lifelessI suggested to SpamapS he might want to tool up on Nova and get into it19:18
rpodolyaka1at least to get attention of reviewers19:18
rpodolyaka1to get early feedback19:19
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lifelessso that is fairly discouraged on the list19:19
lifelessI would happily say 'hey, we're having folk pulled this way and that, and it's super important to us, so if you have spare time we'd love the help19:19
lifelessbut if we want some eyeballs, #openstack-nova and a gentle ask there is the way to go19:19
rpodolyaka1got it19:20
lifelessI will ask in IRC today for some quick one-off reviews19:20
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rpodolyaka1cool!19:20
lifelesscoarse grained, no deep thought19:20
lifeless#todo lifeless to ask for first-pass reviews of the rebuild patch set19:20
lifelessrpodolyaka1: is it functional, do you think?19:20
lifelesslike19:20
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rpodolyaka1lifeless: so rebuild works for me for libvirt19:21
lifelessif it worked, we could deploy that on our undercloud while it gets polish, and move forward19:21
lifelesswith preservation?19:21
rpodolyaka1oh, not yet19:21
lifelessoh, we'll need the client to expose the option too, right ?19:21
rpodolyaka1yep, and we've got a patch already19:21
lifelesssweet!19:22
rpodolyaka1so no preservation yet, just the glue for it19:22
rpodolyaka1from API layer19:22
lifelessok -> #openstack-meeting for a minute, they are talking tripleo testing - and it was the next item on the agenda here too19:22
lifeless#topic testing19:23
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* SpamapS arrives late19:38
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* bnemec points SpamapS to openstack-meeting19:39
jdobSpamapS: we're over in #openstack-meeting19:39
bnemecIt's where all the cool kids are. :-)19:39
SpamapSI see that19:39
lifelesssorry folk, we're still going on testing over <- there19:39
jdobtalking testing and we just narrowly avoided trying to get the bots to talk between channels and gain sentience and all of the armageddon that entails19:40
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lifelessok19:48
lifeless#topic moving TripleO UI under Horizon codebase19:48
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lifelessso - thoughts on this?19:49
SpamapSI'm +1 for that. I don't feel qualified at all to do reviews of the code itself.19:49
SpamapSThe design process should still happen in TripleO19:49
jistrSpamapS: +119:50
lsmola_lifeless, when should this happen?19:50
jtomasek+119:50
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lifelesslsmola_: if there is consensus on it happening, both here and w/Horizon, we can talk timing :)19:50
lsmola_lifeless, and yeah +1, seems all UI belongs to Horizon19:50
slaglehas the horizon team said anything? besides dlyle's initial response on the list to the core reviewer thread?19:50
lifelesslsmola_: I think it's largely up to the folk doing the work19:50
jtomaseklifeless: we will discuss this on horizon meeting in few hours19:51
lifelessslagle: ^ :)19:51
slagle:)19:51
lifelessSo the one thing I'm concerned about is review latency there19:51
slagleyes, me too (given earlier comments)19:51
jtomasekI think we are in process to improve that too19:51
slagleso, hopefully folks who are tripleo core and working on tuskar_ui can become horizon core?19:52
jistrare any of the tripleo folks also horizon core?19:52
lsmola_lifeless, well it should be better when we will be there fulltime, itÅ› like extra 6 people19:52
lsmola_jistr, not yet19:52
jtomasekjistr: not yet afaik19:52
lsmola_jistr, though we will need to become core, to keep things rolling19:52
lifelesslsmola_: perhaps - I mean, it depends on why there is the latency there is.19:53
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lifelessIf it's not enough core bandwidth, then yeah, adding to core will help.19:53
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lifelessIf it's something else, might need to focus on figuring that out and debugging it.19:53
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lifelessreview is just a process like any other :)19:53
lsmola_lifeless, well right now, there are only a few people doing reviews19:53
lifelessok, so yeah then I concur :)19:54
jistrlsmola_: ok so seems there might be a bump initially, but when some of you guys get into core, it should be ok again19:54
lsmola_jistr, yeah, I guess19:55
lifelessI think it would be reasonable to do what we did with the initial tuskar -> tripleo merge19:55
jistrlifeless: +1 that's a great idea, hopefully horizon folks will be ok with that19:55
lifelesswhich is to say (as tuskarUI would still be a distinct codebase until tuskar API has been integrated) -19:55
lsmola_lifeless, not sure if that will be possible, but yeah, it would be nice19:55
lifelesshave all of horizon-core + the folks from tripleo-core that want to work on tuskar-ui be -core for tuskar-ui specifically, then take 3/4/5 months to let them learn the horizon review norms19:56
lifelessmake it graceful19:56
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lifelessI don't think thats a sustainable long term structure - silos and all - but to make the move smooth it makes a lot of sense to me19:57
lsmola_lifeless, well most of us are on Horizon code around 5 months19:57
lifelesslsmola_: sure, so well integrated already one hopes :)19:57
lifelessso there seems definite consensus here on moving the UI under the horizon programme19:57
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lifelesswill someone take point on coordinating that?19:58
lsmola_lifeless, we will see after the Horizon meeting19:58
lifelesslsmola_: Ok, but I'd like to have a contact person19:58
lsmola_lifeless, seems like david-lyle has to decide :-)19:58
lifelesslsmola_: contingent on the Horizon folk also wanting this.19:58
lsmola_lifeless, ok I volunteer if nobody else wants it19:59
lifelessI'd like to be able to say - talk to <foo> about the mechanics for making this happen, they are going to do the work19:59
lifeless20s for someone else to volunteer119:59
jomaralsmola_: you've got it@!20:00
lsmola_excellent20:00
jtomasekI can split the work with lsmola if it's too much for him:)20:00
lifeless#action lsmola_ to be executor for tuskar-UI->horizon move (if Horizon agrees)20:00
lsmola_lifeless, I am good at delegating :-)20:00
lifeless#topic open discussion20:00
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lifeless#endmeeting20:00
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lifelessdone :)20:00
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lifelessVery short open discussion :)20:00
lsmola_hehe20:01
marios'night tripleo :)20:01
tzumainnlifeless, is there a way we can expedite the tuskar requirements discussion?20:01
jtomasekbut it was there:)20:01
lsmola_thanks guys, have a good night20:01
tzumainnwhoops, I missed the cutoff :P20:01
lifelesstzumainn: I think we're making good progress on the list20:01
jcoufalc'ya guys ;)20:01
jistrnight20:01
lifelesstzumainn: and I have my weekly catchup with jarda on friday20:01
jcoufaltzumainn: I think list os ok for now20:01
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tzumainnjcoufal, lifeless, can I be involved with that catchup?20:02
tzumainnif it's not UX specific?20:02
lifelesstzumainn: fine by me; it's mainly to ensure that UX is getting enough PTL bandwidth20:02
lifelesstzumainn: so we talk wireframes, use cases, etc20:03
tzumainnlifeless, fair enough, but if there are requirements discussions that go on, I wouldn't mind being part of that20:03
lifelesstzumainn: UX and requirements are hand in hand really ;)20:03
tzumainnlifeless, I agree, which is why I would want to be part of the discussion :)20:03
lifelessjcoufal: your call; your meeting :)20:04
tzumainnit's. . . odd to me that we're developing the UI without settling on the requirements20:04
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jcoufaltzumainn: yeah we are talking mostly wireframes, use cases20:04
jcoufalit's fine by me20:04
jcoufaljust want to keep those meetings really focused not in large groups20:05
tzumainnjcoufal, cool, can you forward me the invite?  I assume it's at an odd US hour, but I'll try and make it work20:05
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tzumainnjcoufal, I promise to stay mostly quiet20:05
jcoufalhaha, that's not my concern :)20:05
jcoufalnp there20:05
jcoufalanyway the mailing list discussion is going great20:05
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jcoufaltzumainn: will forward the meeting for you20:06
jcoufalwe shouldn't spam this channel though :)20:06
tzumainnsure, looking forward to the invite20:06
jcoufal\o20:07
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