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| colinmcnamara | Hello | 14:00 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 26 14:00:35 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 14:00 |
| sarob | Morning | 14:00 |
| colinmcnamara | Morning | 14:00 |
| colinmcnamara | Waaaaaaay early morning | 14:01 |
| sarob | Who else we got ? | 14:01 |
| alagalah | hi | 14:01 |
| dguitarbite | hello | 14:01 |
| sarob | Sweet | 14:01 |
| dguitarbite | Morning | 14:01 |
| sarob | Morning | 14:02 |
| colinmcnamara | Hi prahnav | 14:02 |
| dguitarbite | Hi colin sean | 14:02 |
| sarob | Soooo, topics? | 14:02 |
| colinmcnamara | Yeah | 14:02 |
| colinmcnamara | Cards /.tasks | 14:03 |
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| sarob | Yup anyone else? | 14:03 |
| colinmcnamara | So I'm back in USA. Log on to burn some cards | 14:03 |
| colinmcnamara | Not exactly sure what tasks are next | 14:03 |
| alagalah | Well I did say hi | 14:03 |
| colinmcnamara | In trello | 14:03 |
| alagalah | ??? | 14:03 |
| colinmcnamara | Morning Keith | 14:04 |
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| alagalah | Morning | 14:04 |
| sarob | Hmm uessss | 14:04 |
| sarob | Hey there | 14:04 |
| alagalah | I only see one Doing card, is that right? | 14:05 |
| sarob | I've got conversion, restructure, assoc and oper rough draft dates | 14:05 |
| dguitarbite | yes | 14:05 |
| colinmcnamara | But specific task | 14:06 |
| colinmcnamara | Eg redesign diagram card | 14:06 |
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| colinmcnamara | Specific card would be. Redesign diagra. 1.1 I gdraw | 14:06 |
| colinmcnamara | Etc | 14:06 |
| sarob | #topic cards status | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cards status (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 14:07 | |
| alagalah | Card#145? | 14:07 |
| colinmcnamara | Specific, measurable. Actionable | 14:07 |
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| colinmcnamara | Are the specific tasks still in the gdoc? | 14:08 |
| dguitarbite | I think so | 14:08 |
| dguitarbite | I dont see a specific card deck here | 14:08 |
| colinmcnamara | K, so it sounds like an action item that is open after the restructure is to build the open tasks out of the gdoc into trello so we ca. Track | 14:09 |
| colinmcnamara | Sarob is that accurate? | 14:10 |
| colinmcnamara | If So I can sign up to do that | 14:10 |
| sarob | Yeah, the gdraw was a good restart | 14:10 |
| sarob | But we have moved way past it being useful | 14:10 |
| colinmcnamara | Is the gdoc up to date? | 14:11 |
| sarob | The diagram you speak of? | 14:11 |
| alagalah | Does gdoc == gdraw ? | 14:11 |
| colinmcnamara | I was just using that as an example | 14:11 |
| dguitarbite | yes | 14:11 |
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| dguitarbite | gdoc == gdraw | 14:11 |
| dguitarbite | got the link? | 14:12 |
| alagalah | ack, sarob shared | 14:12 |
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| colinmcnamara | I logged on last night to burn some cards. And could not identify easily specific taks | 14:12 |
| sarob | Hold on | 14:12 |
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| colinmcnamara | #action colinmcnamara to build trello tasks out of current gdoc | 14:13 |
| colinmcnamara | Doh meetbot command ? | 14:13 |
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| colinmcnamara | I just put that as a task into trello and assigned it to myself | 14:16 |
| sarob | #action colinmcnamara to build trello tasks out of current gdoc | 14:16 |
| sarob | Yup | 14:16 |
| colinmcnamara | If someone can post the link in the meeting notes | 14:17 |
| colinmcnamara | Or put it on a card in the trello board | 14:17 |
| sarob | But member the diagram was a rough start | 14:17 |
| sarob | I'll post the link | 14:17 |
| colinmcnamara | Diagram was just an example | 14:18 |
| sarob | Right the real detail steps need to be in trello | 14:18 |
| colinmcnamara | Yup. | 14:19 |
| colinmcnamara | That also allows us to measure / estimate progress | 14:19 |
| sarob | Ready to move on? | 14:19 |
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| sarob | #topic rough draft due dates | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rough draft due dates (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 14:20 | |
| colinmcnamara | You | 14:20 |
| colinmcnamara | Yup | 14:20 |
| sarob | I'd like to publish the associate guide to Havana by Friday | 14:20 |
| sarob | Without quizzes | 14:21 |
| sarob | How do you guys feel about that? | 14:21 |
| colinmcnamara | Just for a sanity check, since the is not visibility of remaining tasks in trello | 14:21 |
| sarob | Ehh? | 14:22 |
| colinmcnamara | How much is outstanding right now? (Again, only 24 hours back in my office) | 14:22 |
| sarob | The queens English if you please sir | 14:22 |
| colinmcnamara | I can't comment on publishing by Friday without w work estimation | 14:22 |
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| sarob | Cards? | 14:22 |
| colinmcnamara | Yeah how many hours of work left | 14:22 |
| sarob | Ahh okay | 14:23 |
| sarob | Well I see about 8-9 cards referencing assoc guide | 14:23 |
| colinmcnamara | In the gdoc? | 14:23 |
| alagalah | Where? | 14:24 |
| sarob | But that's diff that ready enuf to publish to Havana | 14:24 |
| sarob | Cards on trello | 14:24 |
| alagalah | sarob: 8-9 cards but across what states ? | 14:24 |
| sarob | In the sprint backlog | 14:25 |
| alagalah | ah | 14:25 |
| colinmcnamara | Ok, have we groomed that? | 14:25 |
| colinmcnamara | Eg virtual box for windows. | 14:25 |
| colinmcnamara | Is that outstanding. Pushed. Done? | 14:25 |
| alagalah | I see 7 cards in the Sprint directly related to Quizzing... .so if you filter those out... | 14:26 |
| colinmcnamara | I assume that there are more tasks in the gdoc | 14:26 |
| dguitarbite | virtual box in windows is outstanding | 14:26 |
| colinmcnamara | And we basically have one workday left this eek | 14:27 |
| colinmcnamara | Week | 14:27 |
| colinmcnamara | With the holidays | 14:27 |
| colinmcnamara | In. Short, I don't have enough info to say whether we can publish by Friday | 14:27 |
| sarob | Stuff outstanding right but is enough done for the associate guide to be published | 14:27 |
| colinmcnamara | K | 14:28 |
| alagalah | Firstly, is the gdraw definitive of the course structure? | 14:28 |
| alagalah | ie is it finished? | 14:28 |
| sarob | I think so | 14:28 |
| alagalah | Ok, comments: | 14:28 |
| alagalah | I see references to bk002-Chxxxx and I see references to cardyyy | 14:29 |
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| alagalah | My assumption is then that anything cardyyy has not been contributed up to the project... is that fair? If so then the immediate task would be to convert cardxxx in gdraw to bkyy-chzzz and merge, right? | 14:29 |
| alagalah | Then publish ? | 14:29 |
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| sarob__ | #link https://docs.google.com/a/yahoo-inc.com/drawings/d/1ju78O-PjkZIeSbpGkUndIohQeQy06QXseRPbCy2F6F8/edit | 14:30 |
| alagalah | Ack that is the link I am looking at, assume you are putting it in here for the log | 14:30 |
| colinmcnamara | Weird. That just asked me for a yahoo corp login | 14:31 |
| sarob | Yeah hold on | 14:31 |
| sarob | Pranav, Colin, Peter, Keith all have access | 14:32 |
| sarob | Rick too | 14:33 |
| colinmcnamara | Cool. I'm on my ipad on limechat. I'll log I | 14:33 |
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| colinmcnamara | On with Mac and check | 14:33 |
| alagalah | Yes I didn't have an issue since the original share, still linked in my gdocs account | 14:33 |
| colinmcnamara | It's waaay early. In in bed for this meeting | 14:33 |
| colinmcnamara | K | 14:33 |
| sarob | I added a bit to the diagram | 14:34 |
| alagalah | ha, I got up early to help Florian but he has work work | 14:34 |
| alagalah | sarob: Since last I looked, thats an understatement | 14:34 |
| alagalah | sarob: So is my assumption correct, cardxxx on diagram needs content merged? | 14:34 |
| sarob | Not neccessarly | 14:35 |
| alagalah | Right | 14:35 |
| alagalah | Card039 as a prime example | 14:35 |
| sarob | Diagram is a mess of notes and ideas | 14:35 |
| alagalah | IT's awesome but.... | 14:35 |
| alagalah | If you want to use it as a quasi "What do we have todo" to make trello cards and punch out docs by Fri... | 14:36 |
| alagalah | I'm just finding a way of easily seeing what needs to be done | 14:36 |
| colinmcnamara | +1 | 14:36 |
| sarob | I think we need to start reading the guide to verify if it is readable | 14:37 |
| colinmcnamara | Btw, I normally don | 14:37 |
| colinmcnamara | Don't put deadlines right after holidays | 14:37 |
| alagalah | So should an action be to mark the gdraw in some way, either by "card" in the title needing a card, and bkxx being done, and then burn down cards and punch out a doc for readability ? | 14:37 |
| colinmcnamara | They normally slip | 14:37 |
| colinmcnamara | Sounds fair | 14:38 |
| sarob | Let's take a step back for a sec | 14:38 |
| sarob | Does everyone think the new structure is goodness? | 14:39 |
| sarob | As on master right now | 14:39 |
| colinmcnamara | Breaking the operational tasks out first? | 14:40 |
| colinmcnamara | Is that what you are referencing? | 14:40 |
| sarob | The structure I speak of | 14:40 |
| sarob | chapter to sections | 14:41 |
| sarob | As published | 14:41 |
| colinmcnamara | ? | 14:42 |
| sarob | From the diagram | 14:42 |
| colinmcnamara | I need to head down stairs and hop on my laptop. I'm on my ipad in bed | 14:42 |
| colinmcnamara | To reference the diagram | 14:42 |
| sarob | I think everyone needs to take a quick look at the associate and operator guides online | 14:43 |
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| sarob | I was busy this last few weeks | 14:43 |
| sarob | I created the chapter to section structure from the diagram | 14:44 |
| alagalah | Sarob: see unicast window, issue building since I re-imaged machine | 14:44 |
| sarob | Ehh? | 14:45 |
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| colinmcn_ | logged on via laptop now | 14:46 |
| sarob | I'm going to need coffee you get all techy | 14:46 |
| alagalah | sarbo: nvm I'll work it out | 14:46 |
| colinmcn_ | so, associate guide structure | 14:46 |
| colinmcn_ | (sorry about the nic change, logged on via laptop) | 14:46 |
| sarob | Right | 14:46 |
| colinmcn_ | so in short, associate and operator got split out | 14:47 |
| colinmcn_ | associate interacts with openstack | 14:47 |
| colinmcn_ | operator instlls / configures | 14:47 |
| colinmcn_ | associate is focused on a suer consuming, with tasks and quizes that break down into each functional task | 14:47 |
| sarob | Yup, assoc has admin task, operator has install | 14:47 |
| colinmcn_ | yes, concept and structure are sound | 14:47 |
| sarob | Plan was to use scripted virtualbox for both books | 14:48 |
| colinmcn_ | yup | 14:48 |
| colinmcn_ | though, I think past structure, there are some ops items still in associate | 14:48 |
| sarob | Operator would do separate install tasks on diff VMs | 14:49 |
| colinmcn_ | operator is installing openstack on "bare metal" | 14:49 |
| colinmcn_ | associate is consuming openstack, launching instances, etc | 14:49 |
| colinmcn_ | correct? | 14:49 |
| sarob | Yup | 14:49 |
| dguitarbite | Operator is installing OpnStack | 14:49 |
| dguitarbite | not necessary to be bare metal | 14:49 |
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| sarob | Ironic is not clear to me to include either | 14:50 |
| colinmcn_ | put quotes around it | 14:50 |
| colinmcn_ | sorry | 14:50 |
| colinmcn_ | virtual bare metal | 14:50 |
| sarob | Okay | 14:50 |
| sarob | Ahh okay | 14:50 |
| colinmcn_ | installing openstack on an operating system | 14:50 |
| alagalah | Is this still the right repo? (should there be a link on the wiki?) https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals.git | 14:50 |
| colinmcn_ | vs instantiating instances, providing access, etc | 14:50 |
| sarob | Alagalah right repo | 14:51 |
| colinmcn_ | yes, training-guide subdir | 14:51 |
| alagalah | ty | 14:51 |
| colinmcn_ | btw, can you repost the link to the gdoc .. I switched computers and want to make sure i'm on the latest | 14:52 |
| alagalah | https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1ju78O-PjkZIeSbpGkUndIohQeQy06QXseRPbCy2F6F8/edit | 14:52 |
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| alagalah | generating-sources now from a clean clone, so I'd love to have a look at all you've restructured, sarob, as that was your original RFC right? | 14:53 |
| alagalah | sarob_ | 14:54 |
| sarob_ | which rfc? | 14:54 |
| alagalah | Request For Comment | 14:54 |
| alagalah | You requested we comment about your restructure, hence... I'm rebulding now | 14:54 |
| colinmcn_ | thx | 14:54 |
| sarob_ | i know what it means, but what rfc are you referring to? | 14:54 |
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| sarob_ | ahh, right | 14:54 |
| colinmcn_ | I do want to propose one topic before 7 | 14:54 |
| colinmcn_ | btw | 14:54 |
| colinmcn_ | moving this back to 7 am pacific. 6am doesn't leave any prep time b4 the meeting | 14:54 |
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| sarob_ | well there is another meeting at 7:30am pst | 14:55 |
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| colinmcnamara | Crap | 14:55 |
| sarob_ | schedule is all filled up | 14:55 |
| colinmcnamara | Also. Good luck getting more contributors on | 14:55 |
| colinmcnamara | 6 am meeting is a barrier | 14:55 |
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| colinmcnamara | My 2 cents | 14:56 |
| sarob_ | 9am pst monday is still open | 14:56 |
| alagalah | East Coast :) | 14:56 |
| sarob_ | and 7am pst friday | 14:56 |
| colinmcnamara | 9am Monday is better than 6 am any day | 14:56 |
| sarob_ | probably right | 14:56 |
| sarob_ | dguitarbyte does 9am pst work for you? | 14:57 |
| colinmcnamara | Could always just create openstack-meeting-alt-2 | 14:57 |
| sarob_ | should be 10:30pm in mumbai | 14:57 |
| dguitarbite | k | 14:58 |
| sarob_ | lets not be guilty of that sin | 14:58 |
| dguitarbite | thats a good time for me | 14:58 |
| sarob_ | okay cool | 14:58 |
| sarob_ | anyone else chime in on time? | 14:58 |
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| sarob_ | #topic general free for all | 15:00 |
| alagalah | Ok | 15:01 |
| sarob_ | #action sarob to reset meeting time for monday 9am pst | 15:01 |
| colinmcn_ | sweeet! | 15:01 |
| alagalah | So I just finished the build, will have a quick look | 15:01 |
| alagalah | I'm sure its gorgeous | 15:01 |
| alagalah | What are we going to do about the gdraw? | 15:01 |
| alagalah | I'm still not clear about how we make a gdraw-> trello compiler? | 15:01 |
| alagalah | Meatscript seems simplest :) | 15:02 |
| sarob_ | its a brainstorming tool | 15:02 |
| alagalah | I think its wonderful, it lays it out visually, which is perfect for me | 15:02 |
| alagalah | I just want to know what specific thing I can help with | 15:02 |
| sarob_ | i went through the cloud admin and install guide | 15:02 |
| colinmcn_ | meatscripts are the tool to use | 15:02 |
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| sarob_ | dumped what could go where into the digram | 15:02 |
| sarob_ | diagram | 15:02 |
| colinmcn_ | its a good visualization | 15:03 |
| sarob_ | then roughed out the structure | 15:03 |
| sarob_ | started making stuff | 15:03 |
| colinmcn_ | especially on my 27" monitors vs my 13" laptop | 15:03 |
| colinmcn_ | ;) | 15:03 |
| sarob_ | so the associate guide | 15:03 |
| sarob_ | it needs some clean up | 15:03 |
| sarob_ | but i think it is mostly complete for a rough draft | 15:04 |
| colinmcn_ | yeah, for rough draft | 15:04 |
| colinmcn_ | if rough draft = rc1 | 15:04 |
| sarob_ | sure | 15:04 |
| colinmcn_ | I suggest, we do a rc1,2,3 structure | 15:04 |
| dguitarbite | associate is complete for rough draft, I need to put up the install section as per OVS fixes and stuff | 15:04 |
| colinmcn_ | and gate bugs / features that way | 15:04 |
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| colinmcn_ | so, rough draft = feature complete and squashing bugs | 15:04 |
| sarob_ | so we need some cards on associate guide review for publish | 15:04 |
| colinmcn_ | sounds like there are a couple features necessary | 15:05 |
| sarob_ | and another for publish to havana action | 15:05 |
| colinmcn_ | so, do we have concensus on mapping to RC1/2/3 | 15:05 |
| colinmcn_ | and being strict about adding features vs squashing bugs? | 15:05 |
| colinmcn_ | thats a pretty big one | 15:05 |
| dguitarbite | Yep, makes sense | 15:05 |
| colinmcn_ | so if rough draft equals feature complete (maybe with errors) | 15:06 |
| colinmcn_ | then we need to identify and prioritize any feature work | 15:06 |
| colinmcn_ | before we make the call | 15:06 |
| sarob_ | i am good with that | 15:06 |
| dguitarbite | RC1/2/3 -- in sync with other projects as they are dependent on them | 15:06 |
| sarob_ | righto | 15:06 |
| colinmcn_ | normally the process | 15:06 |
| alagalah | dguitarbite: What OVS fixes need to be incorporated? | 15:06 |
| colinmcn_ | h1/2/3, rc1/2/3 | 15:07 |
| dguitarbite | OVS 1.4 ships with Ubuntu 12.04, OVS 1.9 is needed for getting Neutron working properly | 15:07 |
| dguitarbite | some fixes on that | 15:07 |
| alagalah | Ah | 15:08 |
| sarob_ | The training-manuals team meets weekly on Monday at 1700 UTC on #openstack-meeting | 15:08 |
| sarob_ | posted | 15:08 |
| colinmcn_ | sweet | 15:08 |
| colinmcn_ | awesome | 15:08 |
| sarob_ | note not alt | 15:08 |
| alagalah | dguitarbite: Yes, been going thru that hell with OVS on DevStack on Fed18 | 15:08 |
| colinmcn_ | ahhhh | 15:08 |
| colinmcn_ | thank you | 15:08 |
| sarob_ | sanity check, we are going to lose the channel in 20 min | 15:09 |
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| colinmcn_ | and I need to hop down to the dentist pretty soon | 15:09 |
| alagalah | Sarob_ ... | 15:10 |
| alagalah | Pretty | 15:10 |
| sarob_ | #action colin will rough out release dates | 15:10 |
| sarob_ | thx | 15:10 |
| alagalah | welcome and well deserved... I love it in fact | 15:10 |
| sarob_ | cool | 15:10 |
| alagalah | I will do a walk thru this weekend as if I'm an instructor, and no, I don't want that on the action items | 15:10 |
| alagalah | I will report back if I got it done, I have a code freeze I have to meet on another proj | 15:11 |
| * sarob_ no action items whataaaaa | 15:11 | |
| sarob_ | sigh okay | 15:11 |
| alagalah | Sorry mate | 15:11 |
| colinmcn_ | sorry sarob, day jobs | 15:11 |
| sarob_ | lets all read through what is published | 15:12 |
| alagalah | But the intention is there, if I can go through this as if I am teaching someone.... then it's a win... that is my goal... | 15:12 |
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| sarob_ | we need to get the associate and operator guide to a point that an instructor and a student can follow them | 15:12 |
| colinmcn_ | yup | 15:12 |
| colinmcn_ | and that really comes from a dry run | 15:12 |
| colinmcn_ | with the students capturing bugs | 15:12 |
| colinmcn_ | it's easy to get tunnel vision | 15:13 |
| sarob_ | the cards should be mostly coming from that experience at this point | 15:13 |
| colinmcn_ | cool | 15:13 |
| sarob_ | lets cut this at that point | 15:13 |
| sarob_ | any last words of wisdoms | 15:14 |
| colinmcn_ | i'm good | 15:14 |
| alagalah | Laters | 15:14 |
| sarob_ | colin needs his teeth drilled | 15:14 |
| sarob_ | i need coffee | 15:14 |
| colinmcn_ | :/ | 15:14 |
| colinmcn_ | yup | 15:14 |
| colinmcn_ | sux | 15:14 |
| sarob_ | ive got interviews | 15:15 |
| colinmcn_ | time to adjurn | 15:15 |
| sarob_ | cheers all | 15:15 |
| colinmcn_ | endmeeting? | 15:15 |
| sarob_ | #endmeeting | 15:15 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 26 15:15:19 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-11-26-14.00.html | 15:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-11-26-14.00.txt | 15:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-11-26-14.00.log.html | 15:15 |
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| sarob_ | cheers mates | 15:18 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 26 16:01:00 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 16:01 |
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| * samkottler waves | 16:02 | |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:02 | |
| russellb | o/ | 16:02 |
| kraman2 | here | 16:02 |
| briancline | o/ | 16:02 |
| tomblank | Tom Blankenship, Rackspace | 16:02 |
| claytonc | o/ | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | hello everyone | 16:02 |
| RoshanAgr | Roshan Agrawal, Rackspace | 16:03 |
| * samkottler is here | 16:03 | |
| * funzo is here | 16:03 | |
| tdeckers | Tom Deckers, Cisco... new guy | 16:03 |
| coolsvap | Swapnil Kulkarni | 16:03 |
| muralia | Murali Allada, Rackspace | 16:03 |
| funzo | hey tdeckers, welcome | 16:03 |
| * russellb doesn't think corporate affiliations are important in this context, fwiw | 16:03 | |
| RoshanAgr | welcome Tom | 16:03 |
| jwforres | Jessica here | 16:03 |
| paulmo | Paul Montgomery, Rackspace | 16:03 |
| * briancline also a new guy, at least for this project | 16:03 | |
| brents | Brent Smithurst, ActiveState | 16:04 |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni, Rackspace | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | welcome newcomers! | 16:04 |
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| paulczar | Paul Czarkowski, Rackspace | 16:04 |
| rajdeep | hi | 16:04 |
| aratim | Arati Mahimane, Rackspace | 16:05 |
| russellb | sigh | 16:05 |
| rajdeep | Rajdeep Dua, VMware | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum our agenda for today | 16:05 |
| devkulkarni | whoa.. lots of items | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | #Topic Announcements | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | need to move quickly to get through this monster agenda | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | 1) Working Groups | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | We have arranged two working groups: | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | A) Language Pack Working Group | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | Subscribe to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/lang-pack to join it. | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | (we can make a LP team for this as needed) | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | Participate in the Doodle poll to schedule the meeting series: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/BreakoutMeetings#Language_Pack_Working_Group_Series | 16:07 |
| russellb | i'm a little concerned about the sizes of these groups and the impact it may make on getting something done ASAP | 16:07 |
| russellb | i'd almost rather just one person go off and make a strawman proposal | 16:07 |
| russellb | and we beat it up on the mailing list | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | russellb: we should do that too | 16:07 |
| russellb | instead of limiting progress to a meeting once a week | 16:07 |
| kraman2 | russellb: +1 | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | I think it's importatnt to source input from the full group, but not all of us are expected to generate code | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | B) Git Integration Working Group | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | Subscribe to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/git-integration to join it. | 16:08 |
| russellb | design by committee :) | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | Participate in the Doodle poll to schedule the meeting series: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/BreakoutMeetings#Git_Integration_Working_Group_Series | 16:08 |
| claytonc | for the language-pack working group i have not seen feedback via the ML, I would expect people who are interested to be responding already | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | let's try a few things and see what works best | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review action items from prior meeting | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | aotto: Schedule breakout meetings for new working groups | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | (in progress, Doodle polls mentioned above) | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review of Solum SFO Community Workshop | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SolumSFOCommunityWorkshop | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | Roshan Agrawal: Report number of attendees, companies represented, format, lessons learned, and next steps. | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | For remote participants: Are there improvements we could make for next time? | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | let's wait for Roshan first | 16:09 |
| RoshanAgr | We had 35 attendees in person | 16:09 |
| RoshanAgr | and another 25 joined remotely | 16:09 |
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| RoshanAgr | All in all, heavy participation | 16:09 |
| russellb | now we need code from all these people :) | 16:10 |
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| RoshanAgr | russellb: yes sure :-) | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | for those who have not been watching the Gerrit system, we have good velocity in terms of patches | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | keep up the great participation in terms of code reviews | 16:10 |
| RoshanAgr | Any feedback from participants on the structure of the workshop? | 16:10 |
| RoshanAgr | My sense is that it went really well | 16:11 |
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| coolsvap | adrian_otto, RoshanAgr : The arrangement was very nice, hangout helped a lot to be involved, the timing could be a concern for some :) but i guess it can be followed for future workshops | 16:11 |
| RoshanAgr | We worked thorugh several design topics | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | we got positive remarks from a bunch of you, but are really seeking ways to improve for next time, so if you have criticism, and don't want to voice it here, please catch me or Roshan on PM | 16:11 |
| RoshanAgr | We have etherpad notes from the workshop - we should file them/reference them for further discussions on the topics discussed | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | did the Remote attendees all feel like they were able to follow? | 16:12 |
| briancline | agreed on what coolsvap mentioned regarding timing | 16:12 |
| russellb | hangout worked well, i just had a lot of conflicts | 16:13 |
| briancline | by any chance was it able to be recorded? | 16:13 |
| russellb | briancline: probably a better use of time to just review the notes | 16:13 |
| RoshanAgr | We have notes: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SolumWorkshopTrack1Notes | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | briancline: good suggestion, we will see about doing that next time | 16:13 |
| russellb | and start ML threads on anything that needs more discussion | 16:14 |
| claytonc | In terms of pure productive output it likely was extremely valuable for driving consensus on a few core topics | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | russellb: yes | 16:14 |
| claytonc | forcing people to yay/nay items | 16:14 |
| briancline | RoshanAgr: thanks | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | How frequently should we schedule these events? In-Person? Virtual? | 16:14 |
| RoshanAgr | briancline: welcome | 16:14 |
| funzo | virtual is much easier on budgets | 16:14 |
| claytonc | no more than every 4 months | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | most of us are attending ODS on 6 month intervals | 16:14 |
| claytonc | post ODS is potentially a good option | 16:15 |
| RoshanAgr | how about every 3 months | 16:15 |
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| RoshanAgr | right in the middle of two ODS | 16:15 |
| russellb | every 3 is pretty aggressive | 16:15 |
| claytonc | it lets us absorb other teams stuff and then bring it back to a targetted discussion | 16:15 |
| briancline | what about a combination of both, except a traveling circus? for instance an Austin office for a subsequent venue | 16:15 |
| claytonc | i believe other teams are suggesting that | 16:15 |
| briancline | that is, unless most participants are in the bay area | 16:15 |
| RoshanAgr | I am suggesting twice a year. | 16:15 |
| russellb | twice/year like design summits makes sense | 16:16 |
| RoshanAgr | ODS + workshop + ODS + workshop | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | we should do some homework to plot the location of participants. We do know we are pretty spread out, mostly from the US | 16:16 |
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| russellb | but should always treat the mailing list as the first class citizen, and where decisions should ultimately be made whenever possible :) | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so please think on this topic and we will follow up on ML | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | russellb: agreed | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Discuss alignment with Icehouse Release Schedule | 16:17 |
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| adrian_otto | Do we want to align with the icehouse milestone schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 16:17 |
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| russellb | adrian_otto: what does alignment mean | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | we have 4 milestones in LP, but I have not targeted them to dates | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | alignment would mean milestone 1 = i2, etc | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | so we would do a time based release schedule rather than feature based | 16:18 |
| russellb | in general, working along the openstack schedule makes sense, but i don't know if the existing milestones are scoped to match the schedule right now, are they? | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | this might not make sense until we have a base set of functionality first | 16:18 |
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| kraman2 | adrian_otto: while starting this project might make more sense to do feature basd release for the first few releases | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | my opinion is that we should start alignment as soon as we have one working use case | 16:19 |
| claytonc | the combination of those two statements makes sense to me | 16:19 |
| briancline | I would think so, to avoid another swift-like situation (it may have served well in the past but for a new project it seems anomalous) | 16:19 |
| tomblank | adrian_otto: it may be too soon for us to go to date based schedule but as soon as we have base functionality i think that would be good. | 16:19 |
| russellb | as long as each iteration is aggressive, feature based seems OK for now | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | ok, anyone feel strongly that we should switch to dates before we have some basic features done? | 16:20 |
| sallamaraju | RoshanAgr was the use case described on white board with 7-8 steps captured some place? | 16:20 |
| RoshanAgr | it is on my phone, and Krisha also has it. I or Krisha will publish it | 16:20 |
| briancline | I sort of do, though it seems a valid point that i1 is going to be a miss in that case | 16:20 |
| russellb | i dunno ... time based is tempting, makes life easier with it aligned with everything else | 16:20 |
| russellb | i1 does have some notable stuff | 16:20 |
| claytonc | sallamaraju: RoshanAgr i owe a todo from ML to add more scenarios like that as well | 16:20 |
| kraman2 | RoshanAgr: I have the picture as well and can publish it | 16:21 |
| russellb | there's an API binary, the service is integrated with devstack, some initial API implementation is there | 16:21 |
| RoshanAgr | claytonc: perfect | 16:21 |
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| * briancline intrigued | 16:21 | |
| briancline | didn't realize it was that far along (mostly re: devstack) | 16:21 |
| russellb | the more i think of it, the more i like just using the main openstack schedule | 16:21 |
| russellb | yeah we need more people writing/reading the code | 16:21 |
| briancline | in that case, I actually feel more strongly now about icehouse alignment | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so I think I see consensus here that we should stay on the feature milestone system for now | 16:22 |
| russellb | decent velocity, but not that many people compared to how many say they are interested in this project | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | and revisit alignment with the date based system | 16:22 |
| russellb | i'm actually arguing the opposite | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 16:22 |
| russellb | don't have to do the feature freeze part | 16:22 |
| russellb | but alignment is good | 16:23 |
| briancline | wrt the aforementioned writing/reading code part, I'm glad to help, as the holidays are going to be slooowww for me this year, it seems | 16:23 |
| russellb | and as each openstack milestone hits, a solum milestone update email can go out talking about project status and what we accomplished | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | russellb: I see the key reason that the number of developers submitting patches is small is because there are many developers who are getting used to the way this project works. | 16:23 |
| * russellb nods | 16:23 | |
| adrian_otto | we have a lot of open design items | 16:23 |
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| briancline | yes, that's the sole reason I haven't tangibly jumped in by now | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | and as we converge on some ideas, and devs get familiar with the way things work, whic will ramp up naturally | 16:24 |
| russellb | yep, need to burn through those, and hopefully identify the smallest reasonable iteration to start with | 16:24 |
| rajdeep | +1 on open design items | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | so, let's table this discussionfor now | 16:25 |
| russellb | ok... | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | and let's revisit it on ML to make the consensus very clear | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | and let's look at some blueprints to help advance our design situation | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Review Blueprints | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | First Milestone: https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/0.1 | 16:25 |
| russellb | link doesn't work | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | this is a view of all blueprints for the first milestone | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | oh, no | 16:26 |
| RoshanAgr | https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/milestone-1 | 16:26 |
| RoshanAgr | That is the right link | 16:26 |
| rajdeep | permission error | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | https://launchpad.net/solum | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | look at the section "Series and milestones" | 16:27 |
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| adrian_otto | then click on milestone-1 on that little line/dot chart | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | that should show you the blueprints in this milestone | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | does that work? | 16:27 |
| russellb | the link RoshanAgr posted works | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | ok, sorry for the mixup | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | Subscribe to each blueprint if you want email updates on them. | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | Ask for Assignee status if you can keep track of development on the feature and report on it weekly at our IRC meetings. You do not have to write the code yourself if you are the Assignee, only champion it. | 16:28 |
| kraman2 | adrian_otto: the blueprint for git is not specifically the one for git pull workflow. is that intentional? | 16:28 |
| RoshanAgr | Ability to push code to the platform via Git: I would request Assignee status for that blueprint | 16:28 |
| russellb | fwiw, assignee in other projects == implementor | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | kraman2: Roshan will address | 16:28 |
| kraman2 | RoshanAgr: will ping you offline | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | hold on before we jump in on those | 16:29 |
| RoshanAgr | kraman2: sure | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | let's start simple | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/definitions Definitions and terminology used in Project Solum | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | Seek Definition Approval. Are we ready to proceed, or is more discussion needed? | 16:29 |
| tdeckers | just catching up... Application seems ambiguous. Has Application package been considered? | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | tdeckers: we can revisit that one | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | I'll just take noted for subjects to discuss on this BP if we are not ready to approve it | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | since we have a long list to look at today | 16:31 |
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| tdeckers | np | 16:31 |
| claytonc | tdeckers: let's go to the ML on that one | 16:31 |
| claytonc | haven't had a good discussion | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | ok, will do, let's advance to the next if there are no further remarks | 16:31 |
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| briancline | I would say strike "OS Container" and keep it generic as "Deployment Unit" | 16:31 |
| RoshanAgr | briancline: +1 | 16:32 |
| claytonc | +1 | 16:32 |
| tdeckers | +1 | 16:32 |
| coolsvap | +1 | 16:32 |
| gokrokve | +1 | 16:32 |
| tomblank | +1 | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | Ok, thanks. We will not seek approval, because we have more changes on this | 16:32 |
| jwforres | I would like to see some concept of 1-1 vs 1-many on the relationships in that diagram if possible | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | will revisit later. | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/app-deploy-manage (roshanagr) Solum-R1 Stories: Application Deployment/management | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | Note, this has several child blueprints, each will be individually discussed/approved. | 16:33 |
| russellb | R1 == milestone 1? or? | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | yes R1=milestone1 | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | Seek Definition Approval. Are we ready to proceed, or is more discussion needed? | 16:33 |
| RoshanAgr | russellb: R1 != milestone 1 | 16:33 |
| russellb | heh | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | what? | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | oh, because some were marked as out of scope? | 16:34 |
| gokrokve | R1 = requirement #1 | 16:34 |
| RoshanAgr | yes | 16:34 |
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| RoshanAgr | also , what gokrokve said | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | aha, I see | 16:34 |
| russellb | i think it's useful to capture requirements around the milestone | 16:34 |
| russellb | so if some of this is in and some out, maybe it makes sense to clarify that somehow? | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | so do we need further iteration on this as proposed, or should we approve this, and focus on the child BP's next? | 16:35 |
| RoshanAgr | russellb: yes agreed. We still need some requiment identifier | 16:35 |
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| russellb | I think it should be updated to clearly identify what is in scope for the milestone | 16:35 |
| RoshanAgr | R1, R2 is an attempt, but I can see how that can be confusing | 16:35 |
| russellb | and the rest pushed off to something else | 16:35 |
| devkulkarni | russellb: +1 | 16:36 |
| kraman2 | this is a high level blueprint which is broken down into smaller ones. perhaps we should keep only the implementation BPs as part of the milestone. | 16:36 |
| russellb | perhaps. | 16:36 |
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| gokrokve | Yes. We had a list of requirements to be implemented in M1. | 16:36 |
| russellb | the list of blueprints targeted at the milestone sort of define the milestone on their own | 16:36 |
| gokrokve | This list was captured in etherpad. | 16:37 |
| rajdeep | one question on deployment | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | kraman2: that's somethign I did discuss with Rohan, and I support that approach | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | *Roshan | 16:37 |
| RoshanAgr | kraman2: agreed. | 16:37 |
| russellb | some of this is user story stuff, and some of it identifies some design details (the CLI stuff) | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | rajdeep: ? | 16:37 |
| rajdeep | how does the persistent store get rewired from local settings to remote setting | 16:37 |
| rajdeep | on deployment | 16:37 |
| russellb | the story would be less detailed and just that ... I can create a thing via the CLI | 16:37 |
| kraman2 | russellb: ys, but we can move that into the CLI BP itself | 16:37 |
| russellb | or see the deatils of the thing | 16:37 |
| russellb | sure | 16:37 |
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| adrian_otto | rajdeep: can you expand on that question with some additional detail about your concern? | 16:38 |
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| rajdeep | e.g jdbc url would change to the private ip of the container where service is running | 16:38 |
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| rajdeep | developer first builds the app locally | 16:39 |
| rajdeep | and then does deployment to solum | 16:39 |
| rajdeep | solum should auto rewire to the remote persistent store | 16:39 |
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| adrian_otto | in that case you would need to make the configuration option flexible. One way to do that is to use a service registry. Another way might be to abstract data services behind Heat resources that are defined by Providers, and you look up the address of it at runtime. | 16:40 |
| gokrokve | Solum will support runtime variables and environment but it is up to developer to map these variables to some specific services' parameters. | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | gokrokve: yes, and environment variables is another way to handle it, which is a bit less flexible, but a common technique | 16:41 |
| rajdeep | yes we should do both auto and manual rewiring | 16:41 |
| rajdeep | giving option to the developer | 16:41 |
| tdeckers | persistance service lookup seems the way to go. Would be interesting to see how migrations of the persistence service itself would be handled though | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so not to get too far in the weeds on this right now | 16:42 |
| tdeckers | e.g. schema migrations is apps require it, etc.. | 16:42 |
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| rajdeep | ok | 16:42 |
| gokrokve | It might be a requirement for "badger" or "language pack" to support auto rewiring for common services. | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | we have a few important blueprints that I'd like to get assigned today | 16:42 |
| gokrokve | I can take User authentication for incoming requests. | 16:42 |
| russellb | gokrokve: is that just using keystone auth token middleware? | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we will get there in a couple minutes gokrokve | 16:43 |
| RoshanAgr | I volunteer for: Ability to push code to the platform via Git | 16:43 |
| russellb | should be pretty quick/easy :) | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | our next one is: | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/git-integration (assignee-needed) Ability to push code to the platform via Git | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | remember that being assigned means that you will be polled at these weekly meetings for status | 16:43 |
| gokrokve | russellb: Not really. It is an integration with keystone but we need to figure out an access model for solum resources. | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | that we expect you to keep informed about the status of allr elated dev work | 16:43 |
| gokrokve | Yes. I will update you on the status for this BP each meeting. | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | but it does not meant that you will individually write all the code | 16:44 |
| russellb | does the blueprint capture the first iteration of git integration? | 16:44 |
| * russellb thinks the primary author of the code should be the assignee :) | 16:44 | |
| kraman2 | russellb: there is a git-pull BP for that | 16:44 |
| devkulkarni | russellb: BP has two parts | 16:44 |
| kraman2 | i can take that one | 16:44 |
| russellb | kraman2: cool | 16:44 |
| devkulkarni | one is git-pull, another bp is git-push | 16:44 |
| briancline | I'd like to jump on solum-git-pull as well | 16:44 |
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| RoshanAgr | adrian_otto: is the expectation for an assignee writes some code | 16:45 |
| russellb | so this has both pull and push under it, both are part of first iteration? | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | so if you want to work on one of these (contribute code/design) just subscribe to the BP | 16:45 |
| russellb | RoshanAgr: i hope so | 16:45 |
| kraman2 | no, only pull is part of first itr | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | and let one of you own it who is a subject matter expert | 16:45 |
| russellb | ok, if just pull, looks like some dependency juggling needs to be done | 16:45 |
| kraman2 | atleast thats what we discussed suring F2F | 16:45 |
| russellb | or just remove the push from the dep tree | 16:46 |
| kraman2 | russellb: push is needed as well | 16:46 |
| kraman2 | there pull and push are seperate | 16:46 |
| russellb | right, but the way the blueprints are set up right now, it's saying both are in the first milestone | 16:46 |
| kraman2 | if we keep just pull BP on milestone 1, we should be fine | 16:46 |
| russellb | ok, so then git-integration wouldn't be on milestone-1 | 16:46 |
| kraman2 | adrian_otto: RoshanAgr: can we make that change? | 16:47 |
| russellb | and just solum-git-pull | 16:47 |
| devkulkarni | russellb: that is correct | 16:47 |
| paulczar | for first itr could be as basic as a url to a tarball ( github generates these automagically ) … that would reduce the deps even further | 16:47 |
| RoshanAgr | russellb: a subset of that will be (it still needs to broken into child blueprints | 16:47 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so do I have a volunteer to own the parent blueprint git-integration (Roshan, do you want it, or is there a better Stacker for that?) | 16:47 |
| kraman2 | adrian_otto: I can own the git flow | 16:47 |
| kraman2 | if RoshanAgr doesnt mind :) | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | ok, set yourself as assignee, or if it does not allow you I can do it for you | 16:48 |
| russellb | RoshanAgr asked about code expectation, i don't think that was answered | 16:48 |
| RoshanAgr | kraman2: I won't mind :-) | 16:48 |
| russellb | <RoshanAgr> adrian_otto: is the expectation for an assignee writes some code | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | russellb: I missed that sorry. What was the concern? Can we repeat it? | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | aha | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | no, an assignee is not necessarily a code writer | 16:48 |
| russellb | why? | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | but you need to follow all the patches for that feature | 16:49 |
| russellb | why wouldn't you go to the person doing the work for an update? | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | so I prefer that it be owned by a developer | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | so they can review all the code that posts to that blueprint. It should at least be a reviewer. | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | this is a case where there will be more than one developer | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | if there is onyl one, this is simple, he/she owns it | 16:50 |
| kraman2 | russellb: how are other projects (nova?) structured ? | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | if there is a group contributing, then you pick a captain, essentially | 16:50 |
| russellb | and if there are multiple, one of the developers would own it? | 16:50 |
| russellb | right ... then the answer to the question is yes then right? | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | russellb: yes | 16:50 |
| russellb | the expectation is generally that the assignee is helping write the code at least | 16:50 |
| RoshanAgr | In the case of git blueprint, kraman2 has volunteered | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | yes, that makes sense for that one | 16:50 |
| RoshanAgr | I think he is the right owner of it since he will be closer to the code | 16:51 |
| * briancline also volunteered for pull | 16:51 | |
| adrian_otto | any other participants will be subscribers | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | and I ask that if you write *any* code for that bp that you review all patches for it. | 16:51 |
| kraman2 | +1 | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | so you don't end up with duplicative contributions, or in conflict | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | for those who are new to using Gerrit+Launchpad together, the system can automatically post links to the patches in the LP whiteboard for the blueprint | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | when the Gerrit topic is listed in the whiteboard | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | so all you need to do is be a subscriber, and you will get an email every time someone posts a review against that blueprint | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | make sense? | 16:53 |
| russellb | you can also get email notifications from gerrit | 16:53 |
| russellb | for new changes, merged changes, or any updates to reviews | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | russellb: yes | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | that's more of a firehose | 16:53 |
| russellb | but i would expect anyone working on this full time to keep up with that, IMO | 16:54 |
| russellb | should always have an idea of what code is in flight | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so we had a packed agenda today, and I knew it would be hard to get through all of it, so I'll allow you to use the Agenda wiki page to know what needs to be assigned, and let's get those all assigned. See me if there are any questions, please. | 16:55 |
| briancline | so as a closing point, the current assignees on these should be following everything related, possibly contributing code | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | for those topics that need discussion, let's fire up ML threads for each | 16:56 |
| briancline | if i understood that correctly | 16:56 |
| kraman2 | briancline: i think assignees will be contributing code | 16:56 |
| russellb | kraman2: +1 :) | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | briancline: yes, if you own it, there is an expectation that you are down in the details | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | and that you are helping advance it | 16:56 |
| briancline | ok | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | and even if you are doing most of the code, and you don't want to be the owner, you will not be forced to. | 16:57 |
| devkulkarni | briancline, kraman2: please feel free to add/modify to git-solum-pull bp. will be happy to discuss it afterwards | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | but one of your co-contributors will | 16:57 |
| russellb | i don't understand why the person doing most of the code would *not* be the owner | 16:57 |
| russellb | they are the owner by definition, to me | 16:57 |
| kraman2 | devkulkarni: will start a ML thread about it | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | russellb: I think that will happen naturally | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | and we can re-assign the owner when it makes sense | 16:58 |
| russellb | ok. | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | but I don't want contributors to get the sense that if they are not marked as the owner that they can't work on it | 16:58 |
| coolsvap_ | I think instead of much debating about who should own it, be a subscriber and write code :) | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | so I want to be very explicit about that | 16:58 |
| devkulkarni | coolsvap_: +2 :) | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | exactly | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | so | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | sorry I never have enough time for this part of the meeting | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | I will need to do a better job of keeping the Agenda shorter | 16:59 |
| gokrokve | It will be hard for this stage of the project. | 17:00 |
| russellb | ML threads should help | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | indeed | 17:00 |
| RoshanAgr | We covered a lot. great meeting | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone, I'm super pumped about where we are | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| briancline | coolsvap_: right, just want to avoid duplication of efforts since folks tend to have different thresholds of when they should push up code for a review | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 26 17:00:41 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2013/solum_team_meeting.2013-11-26-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2013/solum_team_meeting.2013-11-26-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2013/solum_team_meeting.2013-11-26-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | feel free to continue discussion in #solum | 17:01 |
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| ativelkov | Any Muranoers here? :) | 17:02 |
| katyafervent | Hi! | 17:02 |
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| ogelbukh | o/ | 17:03 |
| IgorYozhikov | + | 17:03 |
| tnurlygayanov_ | yes) | 17:04 |
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| ativelkov | Good. Solum guys had a great conversation here, let's do our own meeting productive as well ) | 17:04 |
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| ativelkov | #startmeeting murano | 17:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 26 17:04:36 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ativelkov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:04 |
| gokrokve | Hi! | 17:04 |
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| igormarnat__ | Howdy | 17:05 |
| briancline | adrian_otto: no doubt, my headspace is still within the existing 21 BPs as there's good foundation there that needs to be brought to life | 17:05 |
| briancline | oops | 17:05 |
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| ativelkov | It turns out we do not have any explicit agenda for today (my fault indeed - was to busy to publish it in advance) | 17:06 |
| ativelkov | But let's start with AI review, as usual | 17:06 |
| katyafervent | Yes, what's first | 17:07 |
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| ativelkov | We planned to forward the LoadBalancer email to Neutron and Fuel team, | 17:08 |
| ativelkov | asking for feedback | 17:08 |
| igormarnat__ | Yep. Serge was in charge of this. Serge? | 17:08 |
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| sergmelikyan | Not done yet :( | 17:10 |
| ativelkov | Any estimates? | 17:11 |
| sergmelikyan | We have collected feedback from community, but not yet from Fuel team. | 17:11 |
| gokrokve | This is a right time to do as they are implementing autoscaling and lb right now. | 17:11 |
| sergmelikyan | It going to be done by Thurday | 17:11 |
| igormarnat__ | Not from Neutron team as well, I guess | 17:11 |
| gokrokve | Thursday is a holiday | 17:12 |
| gokrokve | even Friday probably will be non working day | 17:12 |
| sergmelikyan | I will write e-mail tomorrow, and I expect that we going to collect some feedback before holidays. We already settled with implementation, AFAIK? | 17:13 |
| ativelkov | Well, it is settled, but if we get any feedback it may be changed | 17:13 |
| igormarnat__ | +1 | 17:13 |
| sergmelikyan | May be then we need to postpone implementation? | 17:14 |
| sergmelikyan | I had plans to begin with implementation on this week. | 17:15 |
| katyafervent | Let's discuss estimation | 17:15 |
| ativelkov | Well, if you expect it to be done soon, let's postpone it then - it should not take long | 17:15 |
| sergmelikyan | ETA - 5-7 days with testing and etc... | 17:15 |
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| sergmelikyan | (1-2 days for actual implementation) | 17:15 |
| ativelkov | #agreed postpone autoscaling implementation until we get actual feedback from Neutron and Fuel teams | 17:16 |
| gokrokve | Fuel -> Heat ? | 17:16 |
| ativelkov | No, fuel | 17:16 |
| ativelkov | we needed some feedback from their side | 17:16 |
| funzo | just a note, the Neutron guys are currently meeting in #openstack-meeting and discussion data collection via ceilometer | 17:17 |
| funzo | assumption is this is the precursor to being able to offer autoscaling | 17:17 |
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| ativelkov | funzo: thanks | 17:17 |
| sergmelikyan | Due to one of the implementation strategies based on Nuutron LBaaS for which Fuel has no support at all | 17:17 |
| ativelkov | Probably we'll need separate discussion with them. | 17:19 |
| gokrokve | Ok. Sergey you can work with Eugene Nikanorov. He is a part of LBaaS team, so he can probably help. | 17:19 |
| igormarnat__ | I think it'll require some time for folks to get acquainted with the context, so let's initiate this by email. | 17:19 |
| gokrokve | Eugene is in Saratov. | 17:19 |
| ativelkov | Ok, let's move on | 17:19 |
| ativelkov | next AI: gokrokve to summarise the decisions of Solum design workshop for further discussion of integration paths | 17:20 |
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| gokrokve | Hm. Right now it is too early. | 17:20 |
| tsufiev_ | hi there ) | 17:21 |
| ativelkov | hi Timur | 17:21 |
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| ativelkov | gokrokve nothing to integrate with yet? ) | 17:21 |
| tsufiev_ | have i missed something important? | 17:21 |
| gokrokve | I am participating in mostly all Solum meeting, but right now the main focus of Solum team is to create initial design. | 17:21 |
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| gokrokve | There are some integration points related to Windows ecosystem. | 17:22 |
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| gokrokve | Solum will be agnostic to OS. | 17:22 |
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| gokrokve | And Solum will support both VM and Container as a deployment unit. | 17:23 |
| ativelkov | well, building windows-based images is a complicated stuff indeed | 17:23 |
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| gokrokve | Yes. There was a discussion about that in openstack-dev. | 17:23 |
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| gokrokve | [openstack-dev] [Solum] Working group on language packs | 17:24 |
| ativelkov | #info potential integration points with Solum related to Windows ecosystem | 17:24 |
| ativelkov | Yes, this looks interesting | 17:24 |
| ativelkov | Ok, then let's continue watching Solum's discussions and email distributions. We don't want to miss anything important there | 17:25 |
| gokrokve | I am also trying to bring more use cases for Application Catalog. We have some customers who want it. | 17:26 |
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| gokrokve | I am working with them to collect all necessary requirements. | 17:26 |
| gokrokve | Sure. Keep an eye on Solum. This is very interesting project. | 17:26 |
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| ativelkov | Yeah. But we need to make sure that our set of use-cases is generic and useful for the whole comunity: customer-specific things should not complicated the overall vision | 17:27 |
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| gokrokve | I remember that Heat team asked us about specific requirements for HOS software orchestration. | 17:27 |
| gokrokve | Do we have some? | 17:27 |
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| gokrokve | HOS->HOT | 17:27 |
| ativelkov | stanlagun has answered to that email | 17:28 |
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| gokrokve | Yes. But after a week, do we have more details on that. On this phase of implementation we can actually ask for some specific features. | 17:28 |
| ativelkov | We don't know anything specific yet | 17:29 |
| ativelkov | It completely depends on our implementation of metadata and workflow dsl | 17:29 |
| ativelkov | That's actually our last AI from the last meeting | 17:29 |
| gokrokve | Then check software components definitions. Thay have an idea of different deployers (chef, puppet). | 17:29 |
| ativelkov | "tivelkov stanlagun to formalise the new metadata ideas in the etherpad" | 17:29 |
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| gokrokve | At least we can use HOT to install our agent. | 17:30 |
| ativelkov | This is useful - but we need to settle the higher level first | 17:30 |
| gokrokve | sure. | 17:30 |
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| ativelkov | So, the ether pad is not ready yet | 17:30 |
| ativelkov | We are trying to come with some design proposal that would be complete and feature rich | 17:31 |
| ativelkov | then we will reduce it to a subset of something easier to implement | 17:31 |
| ativelkov | Hovever, the process turned out to be trickier then we expected | 17:31 |
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| ativelkov | Anyway, we expect it to be finished this week, so we may share the vision to others and start implementing once we get some feedback | 17:32 |
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| ativelkov | So, tha't all on action items | 17:34 |
| ativelkov | Let's cover our other news | 17:34 |
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| ativelkov | sergmelikyan: what's new on release 0.3? | 17:34 |
| sergmelikyan | We successfully released Murano v0.3 :) | 17:35 |
| sergmelikyan | We have plans to release screencast-review with new features released with v0.3 | 17:36 |
| gokrokve | Please work with Nick Chase on that. | 17:38 |
| gokrokve | He can help you to do this in a right way. | 17:38 |
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| sergmelikyan | gokrokve, Ok, but he is on vacation now | 17:38 |
| ativelkov | #action sergmelikyan to elaborate with Nick Chase on 0.3 screencast | 17:39 |
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| ativelkov | More news | 17:39 |
| ativelkov | release 0.4 is in progress | 17:40 |
| ativelkov | advancedNetwowrking has been merged into master | 17:40 |
| ativelkov | excessive testing should begin soon | 17:40 |
| tnurlygayanov_ | do we have WebUI options for this? | 17:40 |
| tsufiev_ | no, we don't | 17:41 |
| tsufiev_ | it is postponed until 0.5 | 17:41 |
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| tnurlygayanov_ | ok, we started to test it ) | 17:41 |
| ativelkov | Also, we've found that there is a problem with nova-network support (https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1255057) | 17:41 |
| ativelkov | This has just been fixed | 17:41 |
| tnurlygayanov_ | so, how we should configure OpenStack to try this feature? How it will work with Nova network? | 17:43 |
| ativelkov | There will be a configuration parameter indicating default network topology | 17:44 |
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| tnurlygayanov_ | ok, I will test it ) | 17:45 |
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| ativelkov | ping me if you need more details | 17:46 |
| ativelkov | I think that was all for the current status | 17:47 |
| ativelkov | Does anybody have something else to discuss? | 17:47 |
| tnurlygayanov_ | ok, thank you ) | 17:47 |
| tnurlygayanov_ | yes, need to fix roadmap on the murano wiki page, we plan release Murano 0.4 in december | 17:48 |
| tnurlygayanov_ | ou, it is already writed on wiki, ok ) | 17:49 |
| ativelkov | Ok, good catch | 17:49 |
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| ativelkov | other questions? | 17:50 |
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| ativelkov | Seems like we are done | 17:51 |
| ativelkov | lets end the meeting then | 17:51 |
| ativelkov | #endmeeting | 17:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 26 17:51:51 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-11-26-17.04.html | 17:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-11-26-17.04.txt | 17:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-11-26-17.04.log.html | 17:51 |
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| lifeless | morning | 19:01 |
| lsmola | hello | 19:01 |
| rpodolyaka1 | o/ | 19:01 |
| dprince | hi | 19:01 |
| tzumainn | hiya | 19:01 |
| jprovazn | hi | 19:01 |
| matty_dubs | Howdy | 19:01 |
| marios | \o | 19:01 |
| jistr | hi | 19:01 |
| jcoufal | o/ | 19:01 |
| slagle | hi | 19:01 |
| dkehn | o/ | 19:01 |
| lifeless | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 26 19:02:04 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lifeless. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #topic agenda | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:02 | |
| lifeless | bugs | 19:02 |
| lifeless | reviews | 19:02 |
| lifeless | Projects needing releases | 19:02 |
| lifeless | CD Cloud status | 19:02 |
| lifeless | CI virtualized testing progress | 19:02 |
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| lifeless | Insert one-off agenda items here | 19:02 |
| lifeless | Blueprints and design planning / summit wrap-up | 19:02 |
| lifeless | open discussion | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #topic bugs | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:02 | |
| jog0 | o/ | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:02 |
| bnemec | o/ | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:02 |
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| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar-ui | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:02 |
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| lifeless | bug 1255131 | 19:03 |
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| lifeless | bug 1254555 | 19:03 |
| lifeless | bug 1254246 | 19:03 |
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| lifeless | hmm, I'm seeing a distinct lack of bots | 19:03 |
| jtomasek | Hi | 19:03 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1254246 | 19:03 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1254555 | 19:03 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1255131 | 19:04 |
| lifeless | criticals | 19:04 |
| lifeless | also https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1252975 - rhel failin | 19:04 |
| lifeless | g in dib | 19:04 |
| slagle | i can fix that | 19:04 |
| lifeless | so everything is triaged - yay - but we've got four big issues open and being worked | 19:04 |
| slagle | looks easy enough | 19:04 |
| lifeless | slagle: awesome | 19:04 |
| lifeless | nova just approved the revert to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1255131 | 19:05 |
| lifeless | so that should be through soon assuming the gate gods have been appeased recently | 19:05 |
| jomara | aloha | 19:05 |
| lifeless | we have a workaround for https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1254555 in place, so nothing to do there except help the neutron folk as needed | 19:06 |
| jog0 | lifeless: gate delay is ~ 2 hours right now | 19:06 |
| lifeless | and https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1254246 is currently not really known | 19:06 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | looks like a race in neutron-server | 19:07 |
| lifeless | rpodolyaka1: want to poke into it ? | 19:08 |
| rpodolyaka1 | lifeless: sure, will ping neutron folks in mirantis too | 19:08 |
| lifeless | rpodolyaka1: brilliant | 19:08 |
| lifeless | #topic reviews | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:08 | |
| lifeless | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:08 |
| dkehn | of late these are db locks | 19:08 |
| lifeless | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt | 19:08 |
| lifeless | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt | 19:08 |
| lifeless | 19:09 | |
| lifeless | Stats since the last revision without -1 or -2 : | 19:09 |
| lifeless | Average wait time: 0 days, 2 hours, 0 minutes | 19:09 |
| lifeless | 1rd quartile wait time: 0 days, 0 hours, 14 minutes | 19:09 |
| lifeless | Median wait time: 0 days, 2 hours, 2 minutes | 19:09 |
| lifeless | 3rd quartile wait time: 0 days, 3 hours, 45 minutes | 19:09 |
| lifeless | ^ awwwesome | 19:09 |
| lifeless | either that or we're not changing nearly enough :) | 19:09 |
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| lifeless | New patch sets in the last 30 days: 389 (13.0/day) | 19:09 |
| lifeless | Changes involved in the last 30 days: 210 (7.0/day) | 19:09 |
| lifeless | New changes in the last 30 days: 201 (6.7/day) | 19:09 |
| lifeless | so - not a lack of changes, we're just on top of it. Cool. | 19:10 |
| lifeless | any reviews business to raise? | 19:10 |
| matty_dubs | We're so good at reviews that it's almost a problem -- I had a hard time finding anything to review the other day. ;) | 19:10 |
| matty_dubs | Good problem to have. | 19:10 |
| lsmola | hehe | 19:10 |
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| lifeless | ok, cool | 19:11 |
| lifeless | #topic Projects needing releases | 19:11 |
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| lifeless | this seems to be working well; do we have a volunteer? | 19:12 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | I'm used to doing reviews now, so it doesn't take me much time. Ill take it :) | 19:12 |
| rpodolyaka1 | *releases | 19:12 |
| lifeless | rpodolyaka1: \o/ | 19:12 |
| lifeless | #action rpodolyaka1 to release the world | 19:12 |
| * rpodolyaka1 should have some sleep | 19:12 | |
| lifeless | #topic CD Cloud status | 19:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CD Cloud status (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:13 | |
| lifeless | SpamapS has been poking at this this morning and asked me to proxy for him | 19:13 |
| lifeless | 07:23 < SpamapS> lifeless: waitcondition on nova-compute did not fix things. derekh has found a commit to | 19:13 |
| lifeless | revert which _does_ seem to fix things.. | 19:13 |
| lifeless | 07:24 < SpamapS> lifeless: https://review.openstack.org/58577 revert patch | 19:13 |
| lifeless | 07:24 < dprince> bad nova | 19:13 |
| lifeless | 07:24 < SpamapS> do we have a simple way to cherry pick things in tripleo-cd ? | 19:13 |
| lifeless | 07:25 < SpamapS> lifeless: anyway, that is where we are at. | 19:13 |
| lifeless | 07:25 < dprince> SpamapS: we actually have a mechanism to handle patches in TOCI, but not cherry picks. | 19:13 |
| lifeless | 07:25 < SpamapS> lifeless: also I'm working on NTP because trying to debug crap with skewed clocks _SUCKS_ | 19:13 |
| lifeless | 07:26 < SpamapS> in theory setting DIB_REPOLOCATION_nova and DIB_REPOREF_nova would work | 19:14 |
| lifeless | 07:26 < SpamapS> but my experience with those has been that they unfortunately do not work. | 19:14 |
| lifeless | 07:26 < SpamapS> perhaps because I don't understand refs | 19:14 |
| lifeless | 07:27 < SpamapS> anyway, have to hit the road now | 19:14 |
| lifeless | 07:27 < SpamapS> hopefully will be back | 19:14 |
| lifeless | nova have approved that commit | 19:14 |
| lifeless | so in theory the cloud is usable again in 3h | 19:14 |
| lifeless | anyone else have cd-cloud info to add? | 19:14 |
| lifeless | #topic CI virtualized testing progress | 19:15 |
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| lifeless | pleia2: / dprince: ^ you've been active recently on this :) | 19:15 |
| dprince | some progress this week: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/tripleo-ci,n,z | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | got a couple more patches in last week and am now sorting out our networking strategy | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | only broke my bridge twice last night :) | 19:16 |
| lifeless | pleia2: that sounds worse than I hope it is ;) | 19:16 |
| dprince | The client and worker elements are in progress. I understand we are waiting on some infra comments there. | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | need to get dprince in the loop about our networking strategy (meeting later) | 19:17 |
| lifeless | dprince: we got infra comments, and I've followed up with my understanding of the implications. | 19:17 |
| dprince | I'm chipping away from the top down by adding a couple heat tempaltes | 19:17 |
| pleia2 | lifeless: not so bad, had to connect a keyboard to it ;) | 19:17 |
| dprince | pleia2: sounds good. | 19:17 |
| lifeless | dprince: we'd like a second ack from infra (well more from gear afficionados) but I think it's clear | 19:17 |
| lifeless | dprince: essentially clients get told about server failures, so we just arrange for two clients and two servers to form a mutual lock | 19:18 |
| dprince | lifeless: sounds good. | 19:18 |
| dprince | lifeless: I had one question about how we will manage the actual slaves. Which is will *we* actually manage them? or will infra? | 19:19 |
| lifeless | tripleo-cd-admins will manage them | 19:19 |
| dprince | lifeless/pleia2: would also like to have a meeting right after this if possible too. | 19:19 |
| lifeless | infra folk are welcome to join that team of course | 19:19 |
| * dprince forgot to send out an invite this week though | 19:19 | |
| pleia2 | dprince: wfm | 19:20 |
| lifeless | dprince: this is my morning of pain meetings wise but we'll see what we can do | 19:20 |
| dprince | lifeless: so will the Jenkins slave need puppet creds to install all the normal infra stuff? | 19:20 |
| lifeless | the jenkins slave is spawned by nodepool | 19:20 |
| lifeless | this is already in place, just in the old grizzly cloud we have | 19:21 |
| lifeless | oh! when you asked about slaves | 19:21 |
| lifeless | I thought you mean the test environment machines | 19:21 |
| lifeless | so - there are three things in test | 19:21 |
| pleia2 | maybe we need a glossary of terms | 19:21 |
| lifeless | jenkins 'tripleo-gate' slave - infra operated | 19:21 |
| lifeless | gear broker - infra operated | 19:22 |
| lifeless | test environment on a test environment machine - tripleo-cd-admins operated (has baremetal access) | 19:22 |
| lifeless | Oh, I forgot two cd cloud things | 19:22 |
| dprince | lifeless: Right. I was asking about the jenkins node above mostly. | 19:22 |
| lifeless | firstly we have ipv6 in the HP region now. | 19:22 |
| lifeless | it's not all configured but connectivity is there so we can use that to connect to ipv6 only regions some vendors have talked about | 19:23 |
| lifeless | secondly I was curious where the RH region was at - do we have admin creds ? | 19:23 |
| lifeless | dprince: ^ that ones for you :) | 19:24 |
| dprince | lifeless: sorry, too many meetings. | 19:25 |
| lifeless | dprince: I know the feeling - no worries! :) | 19:25 |
| dprince | lifeless: SO, derekh and I should get initial access (internal) this Friday | 19:25 |
| lifeless | ok cool | 19:25 |
| lifeless | will follow up next week - note that once a single machine is up and running I think all the tripleo-cd-admins would be delighted to help with the bringup | 19:26 |
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| dprince | lifeless: So at least we'll be able to take stock of things. A week or two after that I hope the security team can work through the final details and give all the CD admins access as well. | 19:26 |
| lifeless | kk | 19:26 |
| dprince | lifeless: we are super anxious to get in there though | 19:26 |
| lifeless | anything else on CI testing? | 19:26 |
| pleia2 | also worthy of note, holiday this week in US, I'm out thurs + fri | 19:26 |
| lifeless | dprince: yeah - let me know if the security guys want anything from me (e.g. docs/procedures etc) | 19:26 |
| lifeless | but it should already be documented. | 19:27 |
| lifeless | dprince: where is the region located? | 19:27 |
| dprince | Phoenix I think. | 19:27 |
| lifeless | cool | 19:27 |
| * dprince likes his servers hot | 19:27 | |
| dprince | HOT even | 19:27 |
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| lifeless | okies | 19:29 |
| lifeless | #topic Blueprints and design planning / summit wrap-up | 19:29 |
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| lifeless | so, I've done the boring administrivia follow-through from the HK summit | 19:29 |
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| lifeless | I *think* anyone coming and looking at blueprints will now see an accurate summation of the jointly agreed things | 19:30 |
| lifeless | and stuff that needs more discussion is called out | 19:30 |
| tzumainn | lifeless, I know that jcoufal was working on wireframes for an installer, should that be part of the summation? | 19:30 |
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| jomara | it should | 19:31 |
| lifeless | Tuskar folk: I closed a bunch of blueprints that really didn't make sense as blueprints - most of them were descriptions of defects - e.g. bugs - rather than genuine major works that need coordination and approval | 19:31 |
| jistr | ack | 19:31 |
| lifeless | tzumainn: blueprints are very good at capturing, they are not good at design or evolution of ideas. | 19:31 |
| lifeless | tzumainn: I think we should capture stuff as blueprints that is big enough we want formal approval on it; and we should do that once the thing has been broadly discussed - the blueprint is an output, not an input. | 19:32 |
| tzumainn | lifeless, sure, but should it be included as part of what was discussed at summit? I noticed that you had a line item that linked to an etherpad instead of a blueprint | 19:32 |
| lifeless | tzumainn: ok so: | 19:33 |
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| lifeless | - the etherpad I linked to was really not a tripleo thing to decide on; it was in our timeslot because it's important to us but all the work for it will be Ironic, so the blueprint aspects should be in Ironic | 19:34 |
| tzumainn | lifeless, right, I understand that - I'm just wondering if the installer could have been called out, because it's something we're actively working on for icehouse | 19:35 |
| lifeless | - the slick deployment of clouds through the UI story is important, and I'm happy for there to be a broad blueprint about that - I'll reply to Jaromir's mail :) | 19:35 |
| jcoufal | lifeless: Yeah, I think, tzumainn's point is, that we want to keep on mind that this is one of our deliverables for Icehouse. We can generate blueprints once we have more details | 19:35 |
| lifeless | jcoufal: so I'd say -a- blueprint :) | 19:35 |
| lifeless | and yes, having slick install is very important | 19:35 |
| lifeless | bugs are super granular; blueprints are not | 19:36 |
| lifeless | (building analogy - this nail is not hammered in correctly - bug; the building is the wrong shape - blueprint) | 19:36 |
| jcoufal | ok, sounds good | 19:36 |
| tzumainn | lifeless, yeah, jcoufal expressed my point better than I did - I was just hoping that we could build awareness that we're working on this feature | 19:36 |
| lifeless | tzumainn: agreed | 19:37 |
| tzumainn | okay, thanks for answering my question! | 19:37 |
| lifeless | I've actually been talking the tuskar story to nvoa folk face to face fairly often | 19:37 |
| lifeless | some of the things I've been concerned about from the get go get very strong pushback | 19:37 |
| lifeless | like the manual scheduling | 19:37 |
| lifeless | other things I thought were cool they were just plain confused about - like creation of flavors | 19:38 |
| lifeless | so - why don't we switch to open discussion and spend a bit of time talking through this? | 19:38 |
| jcoufal | sure | 19:38 |
| lifeless | if there's no more stuff specifically about us having blueprints etc | 19:38 |
| lifeless | {waits for timeout} | 19:38 |
| ccrouch | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack?searchtext=tripleo | 19:38 |
| ccrouch | this is list right? | 19:38 |
| ccrouch | presumably there are more than two targeted for icehouse? | 19:39 |
| jomara | ccrouch: i think they're mislabeled; some of them actually have iCEHOUSE in the name | 19:40 |
| jomara | (but dont have icehouse marked as series) | 19:40 |
| lifeless | oh, the series field I have been ignoring | 19:41 |
| lifeless | the list itself is accurate | 19:41 |
| ccrouch | right, so more administrivia maybe required? | 19:41 |
| ccrouch | lifeless: so everything approved is targetted for icehouse? | 19:41 |
| lifeless | ccrouch: that is in a tripleo project yes | 19:41 |
| lifeless | I can't comment on e.g. ceilometer stuff | 19:42 |
| ccrouch | yep, makes sense | 19:42 |
| ccrouch | this is the link thats mentioned on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO so I wanted to make sure we're advertising the right stuff | 19:43 |
| lifeless | yup | 19:44 |
| lifeless | you are | 19:44 |
| lifeless | note that the blueprints isn't the complete list of what TripleO is doing | 19:44 |
| lsmola | lifeless, hopefully, all ceilometer stuff we need should land in I | 19:44 |
| lifeless | we have the basic theme of 'drive deployments by makign the TripleOCloud better and more awesome' which gives organic structure. | 19:44 |
| lifeless | (recorded in the trello experiment) | 19:45 |
| lifeless | and we have bugs which gives lots of identified bits of individual work | 19:45 |
| lifeless | ok | 19:46 |
| lifeless | #topic open discussion | 19:46 |
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| lifeless | so design stuff around tuskar | 19:46 |
| jcoufal | alright just small update from my side | 19:46 |
| lifeless | please! | 19:46 |
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| jcoufal | I am close to send updated story of overcloud installer. | 19:47 |
| jcoufal | At the moment, we are focusing on really basic stuff - register nodes (manual + autodiscover) -> assign services -> deploy. | 19:47 |
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| jcoufal | The whole flavor creation and advanced features are pushed back a bit, in sake of slick well working basic installer. | 19:47 |
| lifeless | cool | 19:48 |
| shadower | plus given the confusion and pushback it's better to give them space for proper design and discussion | 19:48 |
| jcoufal | Once we have it, we can go further and work on adding more advanced features | 19:48 |
| lifeless | can we skip assign services? | 19:48 |
| lifeless | like - just let nova sort it out? | 19:48 |
| jcoufal | to let nova sort out which services are deployed where? | 19:48 |
| lifeless | yeah | 19:49 |
| lifeless | a big chunk of the complexity in tuskar that is contentious is the way it does it's own scheduling | 19:49 |
| marios | lifeless: i believe referring to e.g. neutron, swift etc | 19:49 |
| slagle | does assigning services require that nova patch that has been in limbo a while? | 19:49 |
| marios | lifeless: not nova-* services | 19:49 |
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| slagle | the one around returning the baremetal id's | 19:49 |
| lifeless | marios: ack; that was my understanding | 19:49 |
| marios | slagle: that was merged afaik | 19:49 |
| slagle | oh, cool | 19:49 |
| shadower | slagle: well I think we should just move to ironic | 19:49 |
| lifeless | it might be v3 only | 19:50 |
| shadower | was it? | 19:50 |
| shadower | ah right | 19:50 |
| lifeless | anyhow - focus! :) | 19:50 |
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| jcoufal | lifeless: well for user it might be confusing that he can't choose which nodes are compute / controller / object or block storage | 19:50 |
| lifeless | point is, today - as I understand it - we have tuskar doing scheduling, passing to heat, which passes to nova | 19:50 |
| lifeless | jcoufal: It's confusing to me that user would want to choose | 19:50 |
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| lsmola | lifeless, so how will nova sort it out? | 19:51 |
| jistr | lsmola: +1 | 19:51 |
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| lsmola | lifeless, like I have 10 baremetal nodes I reallz need just compute power | 19:51 |
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| lifeless | In the heat template | 19:52 |
| marios | slagle: shadower: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42047 fyi | 19:52 |
| lsmola | lifeless, how will nova know what I need? | 19:52 |
| lifeless | choose based on flavor | 19:52 |
| lifeless | not on node | 19:52 |
| jcoufal | flavor is representing node | 19:52 |
| lifeless | flavor represents a collection of nodes | 19:52 |
| jistr | jcoufal: well, a hardware type rather than node, right? | 19:53 |
| lifeless | the current TripleOCloud, for instance, has two flavors. | 19:53 |
| jcoufal | right | 19:53 |
| lifeless | one 96GB/24Cores/2TB of disk | 19:53 |
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| lifeless | and one 64GB/8cores/2TB disk | 19:53 |
| lifeless | I'm saying that rather than poking under the hood at the list of nodes | 19:53 |
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| jcoufal | I still see odd why I cannot control where my stuff goes... | 19:54 |
| shadower | lifeless: how do these work in the BM sense? Are they autodiscovered or do you assign a flavour to each node when you register it? | 19:54 |
| lifeless | just say 'compute can run on flavors X,Y,Z' 'network on flavors X,Y' etc | 19:54 |
| lsmola | lifeless, hmm | 19:54 |
| jcoufal | well yes, but this is advanced approach | 19:54 |
| jcoufal | why don't we start with basics? | 19:54 |
| lifeless | jcoufal: So this is the disconnect I think. If you have 7 machines you can pay attention to such detail. You cannot when you have 7000. | 19:55 |
| jcoufal | lifeless: agree with you. But, we want to have basics done first | 19:55 |
| lifeless | shadower: baremetal flavor setup is something we could in principle automate. But it's undercloud config and the story being discussed is overcloud install :) | 19:55 |
| lsmola | lifeless, well true, we had resource clasess for that | 19:55 |
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| lsmola | lifeless, now I see that flavor is resource class | 19:56 |
| lifeless | jcoufal: ok, so my point is that you need to write /more/ code to do node level stuff | 19:56 |
| lifeless | jcoufal: because you have to write a topology generator. | 19:56 |
| lifeless | jcoufal: maybe if we step back to even more basic. And say V0: support just one baremetal flavor. | 19:56 |
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| lifeless | jcoufal: so the inputs to the UI become: you have N machines, we are doing to install a cloud for you. Click here to install. | 19:57 |
| marios | lifeless: so that assumes just one service type, compute (to start with) | 19:57 |
| lifeless | jcoufal: we can say if N==1 then its an all in one cloud. If N==2 it's control + hypervisor. | 19:57 |
| lifeless | marios: no, not at all. ^ | 19:58 |
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| marios | lifeless: i'm equating one baremetal flavor to one service | 19:58 |
| lifeless | marios: nope. | 19:58 |
| lifeless | marios: it just means there is one type of hardware. | 19:58 |
| lifeless | marios: consider the test rack RH had at the summit (which was AWESOME) | 19:58 |
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| jcoufal | well, but user needs to define the flavors anyway, it's not that he comes to UI and says - install me anything | 19:58 |
| lifeless | marios: it had - as far as I know - exactly one hardware config in the entire rack. | 19:58 |
| lifeless | jcoufal: thats true, but even so - if the rack is like the one at the summit, its one flavor. | 19:59 |
| lifeless | wouldn't truely basic be the ability to install into that rack ? | 19:59 |
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| lifeless | ok, we're out of time here - but #tripleo is still open, and if it's not too late inyour evening I think this is a good conversation to keep rolling with. | 20:00 |
| lifeless | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 26 20:00:37 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-11-26-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-11-26-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-11-26-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
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| jcoufal | o/ | 20:01 |
| jcoufal | c'ya in #tripleo | 20:01 |
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