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dkoryavovHello folks15:03
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Ekaterina_FHi15:03
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ativelkovHi15:04
gokrokveHi15:04
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dkoryavovLet's start our Murano Meeting15:06
dkoryavov#startmeeting murano15:06
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug  5 15:06:24 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dkoryavov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:06
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:06
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dkoryavovWhat do we want to talk about today? :D15:07
gokrokve0.2 release planning15:07
dkoryavovOK. Here is our agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda15:08
gokrokveWhat is the progress of the selected blueprints?15:08
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dkoryavovdteselkin hi. Can you tell us about progress with MS SQL Sever?15:09
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dteselkinSQL over Failover Cluster is in almost done. It is in testing now.15:11
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* iyozhikov confirms,that SQL AG in testing15:12
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dkoryavovWhat time do we need for this?15:13
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dteselkinI think one day is enough.15:13
dkoryavovGood!15:14
gokrokveExternal AD?15:14
gokrokveWas it tested?15:14
dkoryavovWe have 2 action items from the previous meetings:15:15
dkoryavov    1. dim_ to validate SQL AG scripts and write workflows for conductor service.15:15
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dkoryavovdteselkin as far as a can see this is done?15:15
dkoryavov2:15:16
dkoryavov    stanlagun:  write blueprint that says that we need SaltStack automatic installation as a workflow example and suspend this blueprint till we know exactly how agents in vNext are going to be implemented15:16
dkoryavovstanlagun what about this?15:17
stanlagunI'll write it15:17
dteselkinAG scripts done. Workflows should be altered to support changes in scripts , but it doens't look too hard.15:17
dkoryavovstanlagun please, do this asap :)15:18
stanlagunI'll do it today15:18
dkoryavovOK, what about questions from gokrokve?15:19
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dkoryavov#info AG scripts done. Workflows should be altered to support changes in scripts , but it doens't look too hard.15:19
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gokrokveAre we on track to release version 0.2 on September 19th?15:24
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gokrokveDo we have any opened bugs which must be addressed in 0.2?15:25
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dkoryavovAs far as I know the final date - 5th september.15:26
dkoryavovsergmelikyan what about bugs? Do we have any critical bugs now?15:26
ativelkovAFAIK we have a problem with the Services not being able to be deleted15:27
ativelkovdues to conductor issues. Stan was supposed to work on them. Stan, any news?15:27
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dteselkinAbout External AD - Additional features related to Availability Zone were added. Unfortunately, I don't know were they tested or not.15:28
dkoryavovdmyznikov what about External AD? Were these changes tested or not?15:30
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dmyznikovI don't tested this feature.15:31
dmyznikovTimur must be planed to test this15:31
sergmelikyandkoryavov, about bugs: we have several bugs, not all of them registered on launchpad. We need to migrate them.15:31
dkoryavovdmyznikov - OK, Timur is not here today as far as I can see.15:32
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sergmelikyanBut estimates are good: we should meet deadline15:32
dkoryavovsergmelikyan dmyznikov OK, folks, can you do this?15:32
sergmelikyanDo what?15:33
dkoryavovakuzetsova please, help with this too. :)15:33
akuzetsovaWhat are you talking about? bugs or external ad ?15:33
dkoryavovsergmelikyan: to register bugs about which we are talking now.15:35
dkoryavovakuzetsova bugs :)15:35
IgorYozhikov15:36
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akuzetsovaOk, I'll help15:36
sergmelikyandkoryavov, Timur was usually responsible for moving bugs to launchpad15:36
dkoryavovsergmelikyan OK15:37
sergmelikyanAnd we should have links to bugs from gerrit change description, when bug is registered on launchpad.15:37
dkoryavov#action dmyznikov akuzetsova and timur moving critical bugs to launchpad.15:37
dkoryavovgood idea.15:38
dkoryavov#info we should have links to bugs from gerrit change description, when bug is registered on launchpad.15:38
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dkoryavovOK, as far as I can see we have made successful progress and everything is fine (more or less).15:41
dkoryavovDo we have any other questions to discuss for today?15:43
dkoryavovativelkov stanlagun sergmelikyan dmyznikov IgorYozhikov akuzetsova dteselkin ?15:44
akuzetsovaNo15:44
stanlagunnot from my side15:44
ativelkovnot from me15:44
dkoryavovEkaterina_F ?15:44
Ekaterina_Fno15:44
dmyznikovno15:45
IgorYozhikov-15:45
dkoryavovOK. Let's end our meeting. Next meeting will be 12th Aug in the same time.15:46
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dkoryavov#endmeeting murano15:46
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openstackMeeting ended Mon Aug  5 15:46:46 2013 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:46
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-08-05-15.06.html15:46
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-08-05-15.06.txt15:46
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-08-05-15.06.log.html15:46
IgorYozhikov Gonna work on code :_)15:46
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sarob#startmeeting training-manuals20:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug  5 20:01:01 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals'20:01
sarobanyone out there?20:01
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colinmcnamaracolin just found his way online20:05
colinmcnamaraSean, you there?20:06
sarobyo20:06
colinmcnamarayo20:06
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colinmcnamarasorry about being late. on a remote network with odd securinty controls20:07
sarobno problem20:07
revditto... only my excuse isn't as cool as colin's20:07
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sarobso to the agenda, which i didnt make much progress on :(20:08
colinmcnamarais the #topic what items to cover in the agenda this meeting?20:08
sarobyup20:08
colinmcnamaraI know you were sick, and I was traveling. Arey you feeling better?20:08
sarob100%20:09
colinmcnamaraI would like to add the topc - section file structure20:09
colinmcnamaraand share status on publishing of content20:09
sarobsure,20:09
sarob#topic publishing training to doc.openstack.org20:09
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sarobi remember something getting merged, was it success?20:10
colinmcnamaraso, I found that without the shell statemetns in manual.yaml20:10
colinmcnamarathat zuul won't move the files to the public server20:10
sarobah20:10
sarobkinda makes sense20:10
colinmcnamaraI added those, and the changes got merged on 7/3120:10
colinmcnamarahowever, there is a formal release process20:11
colinmcnamaraeven to trunk20:11
colinmcnamaraso, the release manager has to tag a release20:11
colinmcnamarain openstack-manuals20:11
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sarobis annie the release manager in this case?20:11
sarobanne20:11
sarobi mean20:11
colinmcnamaraI believe so. I wanted to cover it in the office hours this morning20:11
colinmcnamarabut was on a plane20:11
saroblets ping her after the meeting20:12
colinmcnamarasounds like a plan20:12
sarob#action colinmcnamara sarob email annegentle on release tag for training manuals20:13
sarobgood work colin20:13
sarobmoving on20:13
colinmcnamarathx20:14
sarob#topic section file structure20:14
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sarobare you thinking section headings and links back to bug create or something else?20:14
colinmcnamaraI was thinking of how we break out the chapters20:15
colinmcnamarathat if we broke out each section as an seperate section xml file20:15
colinmcnamarathat would ease the headaches of merging20:15
colinmcnamaraand allow us to further distrubute work on the sections20:15
colinmcnamarae.g.20:15
colinmcnamarayou have set, book, chapter defined20:15
colinmcnamarathese files are effectively files that capture include statements20:16
colinmcnamaraand then each section would map to a user story20:16
colinmcnamarawe could just set up a script to auto gen empty ones, that would align to the stories20:16
sarobso like the general chapters would be broken up further20:16
colinmcnamaraexactly20:16
sarobto user stories20:16
colinmcnamarayes20:16
colinmcnamaraeach chapter file20:16
colinmcnamarawould contain a bunch of includes to the section files20:17
colinmcnamarathat way it makes it easier to have multiple people working on a chapter20:17
saroboxygen would keep track so fine with me20:17
colinmcnamaraawesome20:17
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colinmcnamarawas thinking once we have the base include template format20:17
colinmcnamarawe could pre-populate with a script20:17
colinmcnamarathat way a new contributor can just pull / patch one file at a time20:17
sarobcould script it, but its a one time deal, right?20:18
colinmcnamaracould script, or just manually copy20:18
colinmcnamaraeither way works20:18
sarobonce we build out the user stories, no one else would have to do cause they would be pulling the files20:19
colinmcnamaraprobably good to prepend the section file name with the appropriate chapter name20:19
colinmcnamaracorrect20:19
sarobi think id rather do a bit more manual work just to get the files out there asap20:19
colinmcnamaracool20:19
colinmcnamarabtw, here is a sample script that I used to create a readme file out of existing files. could use it to create the include statements - https://github.com/ashleymcnamara/openchimp/blob/master/listing-generator.py20:20
sarobso we have to figure out at a high level how to link user stories to existing sections20:20
sarobto get the work started20:21
colinmcnamaraI think there is a manual task of creating - assigning them20:21
colinmcnamaraeasy way is to output the trello board to xls20:21
sarobhmm, okay20:21
colinmcnamaraand use the sprint backlog to create the section names20:21
colinmcnamaralet me noodle on that while we are dealing with publishing20:22
sarobhow about we focus on this hackathon to do exactly that20:22
colinmcnamaraooh.. great idea20:22
sarobwhiteboard it for each of four books20:22
colinmcnamaraprobably good topic to cover in this meeting too (adding topic) hackathon agenda)20:22
sarobright20:22
sarob#action set hackathon agenda in this meeting20:23
colinmcnamaradid the example xml include xml statement work20:23
colinmcnamaraso we can put an example structure in each of the files?20:24
sarob#action user story equals file included in each general xml file20:24
sarobnope20:24
colinmcnamara:/20:24
sarobim trying to get shaun's attention again as he seems to be the expert20:24
colinmcnamaragnome shaun?20:25
sarobyup20:25
sarobill keep at it20:25
colinmcnamarawas he at foo camp all last week?20:25
colinmcnamaraI know lots of people were hiding out there after OSCON20:25
sarobdonow20:26
sarobdontknow20:26
sarobmoving on, yo20:26
sarob#topic get core members signed on20:27
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colinmcnamaraso, Mestery accepted20:27
colinmcnamaracore on neutron20:27
colinmcnamaranow core on openstack-training20:27
colinmcnamarastill need to verify with shannon mcfarland20:28
colinmcnamaraI'll be up in Colorado next week, probably pull him aside and have the discussion20:28
sarobi was thinking of asking shaun mccance and diane fleming20:28
colinmcnamaraprobably good to get some doc experts20:29
colinmcnamaraI would recommend asking20:29
colinmcnamaraI'm definately looking forward to the doc bootcamp20:29
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sarobmonty taylor and tristan goode20:32
sarobthat my four20:32
colinmcnamarayou know them better then I do20:32
sarobim going to send out emails today20:32
colinmcnamarayou want to reach out20:32
colinmcnamara?20:32
colinmcnamaraawesome20:33
sarobrev: you spoke up earlier, are you lurking or you interested in getting involved?20:34
revyup20:35
sarob#action sarob invite monty taylor, tristan goode, shaun mccance, diane fleming20:35
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sarob#info mestery joins training manuals core20:35
revI just signed up for Doc Bootcamp20:36
sarob#action colinmcnamara invite shannon next week to core20:36
sarobcool, so interested working on chapters and fixing bugs?20:37
sarobokay, np20:38
sarobmoving on20:38
sarob#topic possible dates for sprint20:39
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colinmcnamaraso, when you define sprint20:40
colinmcnamaraare you talking about an in person sprint?20:40
sarobyup20:40
colinmcnamaraor, logical scrum structure (I think we should address both)20:40
colinmcnamaraI suggest spending the day after the docs bootcamp as a sprint day20:41
colinmcnamarausing all the stuff we learned in the doc bootcamp20:41
sarobmy though as well20:41
sarobwe get all core to attend bootcamp20:42
colinmcnamaraI do have a charity tournement the day after20:42
sarobthats bad timing20:42
colinmcnamaraoh, not the day after the docs boocamp20:42
colinmcnamarathe day after the day after20:42
saroboh, okay20:43
colinmcnamarait's to support wounded warriors.. its for a good cause20:43
sarobright20:43
colinmcnamaraso, block out the day after the doc bootcamp as a sprint day?20:43
sarob11sep2013 as training manuals sprint day20:43
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sarob#action 11sep2013 training manuals sprint day20:44
sarobtwo more hackathons before sprint20:44
colinmcnamarawe should probably decompose some capabilities to get people armed with over the hackathons20:45
colinmcnamaraso that they can come in ready to go in the sprint?20:45
sarobactually three hackathons20:45
sarobagreed20:46
colinmcnamaraI would recommend that at each of our hackathons ask what people would want to attend20:46
colinmcnamaraand make sure they are armed and set up previous on workflow20:46
sarobso core would need to show to sprint and rest are optional20:46
sarobis that what you are thinking?20:47
colinmcnamaraIdeally. I'm not sure if Kyle can flyin for a day. but I'll ask if he is in town20:47
colinmcnamarais the sprint in person or distributed?20:47
sarobhmm, good question20:47
colinmcnamaraI think distributed is probably harder, but a better goal to strive for20:48
sarobnot sure why in person would be required, just online and working as a team for the day20:48
sarobmore important20:48
colinmcnamaraso we agree, distributed20:48
sarobagreed20:48
colinmcnamarathough, if people are in a geo, it would be good to get in person meeting space20:48
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colinmcnamaraand get an irc channel assigned for the sprint20:48
sarobwant to allow non-cores to sign up for sprint as well?20:48
colinmcnamaraprobably a bridge / webex to share desktops if we are debugging oxygen issues20:49
sarobirc channel makes sense20:49
colinmcnamaraI think so20:49
sarobagreed20:49
colinmcnamarawe should draw a line in the sand, offering coaching on workflow20:49
colinmcnamaraso we don't spend the entire sprint getting people through git workflow20:49
colinmcnamarais a sign up page necessary?20:49
colinmcnamaraso we know who will be attending?20:49
sarob#action sprint day will be requested in person, distributed team okay, with cores required and rest of team optional20:50
sarobdocbootcamp?20:50
colinmcnamara?20:51
colinmcnamarano, for the sprint20:51
sarobah, right20:51
colinmcnamarajust thinking that if we get people to sign up in a central place20:51
colinmcnamarawe will get a notion of location20:51
colinmcnamaraand can coordinate space20:51
sarobhow about,.... meetup page?20:51
colinmcnamarafood / drink20:51
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colinmcnamarameetup is local to area though20:52
colinmcnamarafor example, if someone wants to set up a room in RTP20:52
revI don't think WebEx worked very well a the last bi-weekly meetings. Is there any way we can use Yahoo's meeting room phone system? That seemed to be better than cellphones that was used last time.20:52
sarob? how so?20:52
colinmcnamarawho is the question directed at20:52
colinmcnamararev or colinmcnamara20:52
revI think colin. My question was badly timed20:53
sarobcolinmcnamara: meetup is kinda local if you are looking for a meeting20:53
colinmcnamaramy statement was that we should probably set up a google form, or eventbrite, something20:53
colinmcnamaraI was thinking that if say, two people sign up remotely in the same town20:53
sarobeventbrite sounds good20:53
colinmcnamarathat with that information we could help set up space20:54
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colinmcnamarafor example, if there is a Nexus office in either of those area's. I can usually get a meeting room with inet access20:54
sarobdo we want to default to sunnyvale? pleasanton?20:54
colinmcnamaraand if that is not possible, I can usually call someone at Cisco or EMC to provide space20:54
colinmcnamarayour call20:55
colinmcnamarawe both live in the east bay20:55
revpleasaton during rush hour is harsh20:55
sarobsunnyvale is waay worse20:55
revaren't you guys down here during the day?20:55
colinmcnamaracorrect20:55
sarobyup20:55
colinmcnamaraI can check if I can get the training room at the Nexus Pleasanton office20:55
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colinmcnamarait fits about 20 comfortably20:55
saroblets get both rooms as placeholders20:56
sarobif not too much trouble20:56
revfair enough but anyone in SV must leave at least 2 hours before meeting if going to be there20:56
sarobsv to pls?20:57
sarobcross commute20:57
revduring rushour20:57
sarobgoing north should be about 45-60 min20:57
revif meeting time is 7pm... that's rushhour travel20:57
colinmcnamarasv north in the morning is 45 min to pleasanton20:57
revhmmm... previous century I dated a gal out there and it was more like 2 hours20:58
sarobwe talking sprint20:58
rev45 minutes at noonish or midnight :-)20:58
sarobnot hackathon20:58
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revoh :-[20:58
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sarobsorry, jumped around there20:59
revmy bad. Need to keep up.20:59
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sarob#colinmcnamara sarob both reserve ~20 person rooms for 11sep2013 training manual sprint21:00
colinmcnamarajust sent the mail to book the room21:00
sarobcool21:00
colinmcnamara5200 franklin drive, pleasanton ca 9458321:00
sarobAOB?21:00
colinmcnamaraAOB = ?21:00
sarobany other bus21:00
sarobiness21:00
colinmcnamaratactical sprint stuff21:01
colinmcnamarafood / drink? I can cover pleasanton21:01
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sarobwe can let the sprint members choose21:01
colinmcnamaraother then that. I am good21:01
sarobwhich locale21:01
sarobid vote ptown21:02
saroblets defer sprint details for next week21:02
colinmcnamara2nd vote from me , ptown21:02
colinmcnamaraworks for me21:02
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sarobokay, then lets wrap21:02
colinmcnamaradumb question, is this week an in person hackathon week?21:03
colinmcnamaraand it's a wrap21:03
sarobim going to be there21:03
sarobin person21:03
sarobrev: ill hang over if you have questions21:03
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sarob#endmeeting21:04
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sarobrev: you still there?21:04
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revYup21:05
revtesting?21:05
sarobare we testing the material?21:06
revnot yet21:06
revi mean I am not yet testing it21:06
revReady when you are21:06
sarobunderstood21:06
sarobcolin and i are going to get anne to flag our material for release21:07
sarobso it gets published to doc.openstack.org21:07
colinmcnamaraagreed21:07
revokay. So I am not a noob because I could not find it yet?21:07
sarobnope21:08
revambiguous answer :-)21:08
sarobmost of our work has been prep for the real work21:09
colinmcnamarano, you are not a noob because of that21:09
revheh21:09
colinmcnamaraas sarob said, we have been setting up project infrastructure21:09
sarobwe are creating the structure for the real content to live in21:09
revgot it21:09
revI await your orders, commander!21:09
sarobeach section will have a link to create a bug reference, so it will be realll easy21:10
revTWSS21:10
colinmcnamaraI would say, that it is pretty complicated. but I'm sure that the 2nd run around that we will think this is simple21:10
colinmcnamarae.g. storage-qos experience21:10
sarobagree21:10
sarobi mean the submitting bugs on the content will be easy21:11
sarobwhat we have done so far has been like pulling teeth21:11
revI kinda gathered.21:11
colinmcnamarabtw, had a decent meeting at a local cupertino company21:12
colinmcnamara<redacted>21:12
colinmcnamaraabout getting them engaged21:12
sarobcool21:12
colinmcnamarastill need to have more follow ups21:12
colinmcnamarabut, I think that is something that we can also add to a todo list21:12
sarobgetting them married21:12
colinmcnamaraas once we have a beta together21:12
sarobfinal step21:12
colinmcnamarais to engage local tech companies21:12
colinmcnamarato find / add bugs21:13
colinmcnamaraetc21:13
colinmcnamaradeliver internally21:13
colinmcnamarato realize the goal of lowering the barrier to adoption21:13
sarobive already prepped for yahoo21:13
colinmcnamaraI may be over reaching21:13
colinmcnamarabtw21:13
sarobnope21:13
colinmcnamaraI've got my atlanta team, as well as my regional delivery teams ready to recieve and submit bugs for the associate course21:14
sarobwe get some universities and companies using the docs, then we are golden21:14
colinmcnamarayup21:14
colinmcnamaraso, just continuing the outreach21:14
sarobsounds good gooood21:14
colinmcnamaraI'm putting together a lighting talk about openstack-training to give at vmworld21:14
sarobhmm21:14
colinmcnamarait's not about politics21:15
colinmcnamaraits part of vbrownbags21:15
colinmcnamaralong story, no drama21:15
colinmcnamaravmware communities manager knows about it21:15
colinmcnamaraand sponsored my conference pass21:15
sarobgood with me21:15
sarobwhen is it?21:15
colinmcnamara2 weeks?21:16
sarobcool21:16
saroblet me know if you want any help21:16
colinmcnamaraaug 25th week21:16
colinmcnamaralet me find the schedule, might be good for you to show up for discussion21:16
sarobSF right?21:16
colinmcnamarayes, moscone21:18
colinmcnamarawas thinking of creating the ignite, which is about the why and how to participate, and then just put it on github (not sure of the mechanics of putting the ppt in the src code repot)21:20
colinmcnamarahey, need to pop off to re-engage in the se symposium21:20
colinmcnamarahave to keep everyone engaged ;)21:20
sarobcreate an prezi instead21:20
colinmcnamaracan do all sorts of things21:21
colinmcnamarawas just thinking about creating the auto forwarding format for the ignite21:21
colinmcnamaraand then recording it so there are speaker notes21:21
colinmcnamarajust a thought.21:21
colinmcnamaraI think that openstack-training has a larger goal that should be communicated easily21:22
colinmcnamaraeither way, I need to put it together21:22
colinmcnamarafor the talk21:22
colinmcnamarafigure I might as well get the content out there21:22
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colinmcnamaralet the community do what it wants with it21:23
colinmcnamaraon that note, I need to bounce21:23
sarobme bounce too, th21:24
sarobx21:24
colinmcnamaracolinmcnamara: out21:24
sarobover21:24
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