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| tinwood | o/ | 10:03 |
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| icey | hello | 10:03 |
| jamespage | #startmeeting charms | 10:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 9 10:03:40 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jamespage. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 10:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 10:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: charms)" | 10:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'charms' | 10:03 |
| jamespage | good morning and welcome to the EMEA/APAC charms irc meeting! | 10:04 |
| tinwood | hi | 10:04 |
| jamespage | lets just take 2 mins for folk to arrive - please o/ if you're here for the meeting | 10:04 |
| icey | o/ | 10:04 |
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| jamespage | hey gnuoy | 10:05 |
| gnuoy | \o | 10:05 |
| jamespage | so maybe just fnordahl ? | 10:05 |
| jamespage | lets get the first topic clear | 10:05 |
| jamespage | #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 10:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review ACTION points from previous meeting (Meeting topic: charms)" | 10:05 | |
| jamespage | no action points so nothing to discuss! | 10:05 |
| jamespage | next | 10:05 |
| jamespage | #topic State of Development for next Charm Release | 10:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "State of Development for next Charm Release (Meeting topic: charms)" | 10:05 | |
| jamespage | dates went up for the next charm release during last week | 10:06 |
| jamespage | #link https://docs.openstack.org/charm-guide/latest/release-schedule.html | 10:06 |
| jamespage | Freeze is about 1 month away on the 8th October | 10:06 |
| jamespage | with release on the 17th October | 10:06 |
| icey | coming up quick! | 10:07 |
| gnuoy | The purestorage charm will be official once https://review.opendev.org/#/c/680676/ lands | 10:07 |
| jamespage | I'm optimistic that our re-org around QA focus will help make that a smoother process | 10:07 |
| jamespage | thanks gnuoy | 10:07 |
| jamespage | done | 10:07 |
| jamespage | specs should be up and reviewed/landed asap | 10:08 |
| jamespage | to ensure that feature make cutoff for freeze | 10:08 |
| jamespage | tinwood- I know there where some queries around the need for template support in the policy.d feature - do we need to discuss that here? | 10:09 |
| gnuoy | \o/ thanks for the review jamespage | 10:09 |
| jamespage | we can do so at the end if need be | 10:09 |
| jamespage | #topic High Priority Bugs | 10:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "High Priority Bugs (Meeting topic: charms)" | 10:09 | |
| jamespage | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-charms/+bugs | 10:09 |
| tinwood | jamespage, re: policyd | 10:09 |
| jamespage | #link https://tinyurl.com/osc-critical-bugs | 10:09 |
| tinwood | maybe? | 10:09 |
| jamespage | #link https://tinyurl.com/osc-high-priority | 10:09 |
| fnordahl | o/ | 10:09 |
| tinwood | jamespage, re: policyd - the only question is around templating | 10:10 |
| jamespage | yah | 10:10 |
| jamespage | lets discuss at the end | 10:10 |
| tinwood | okay | 10:10 |
| jamespage | 8 open critical bugs | 10:10 |
| jamespage | 103 high's | 10:11 |
| jamespage | I'm pondering whether we try to introduce a monthly bug hug day again? | 10:12 |
| tinwood | I've always liked that idea | 10:12 |
| jamespage | fnordahl: any thoughts as upcoming PTL on that? | 10:12 |
| fnordahl | that sounds like a good idea | 10:13 |
| jamespage | fnordahl: how about I set that up as an outgoing PTL action in the next month... | 10:13 |
| jamespage | #action organised schedule and comms for monthly bug hug day! | 10:13 |
| jamespage | next up | 10:13 |
| jamespage | #topic Openstack Events | 10:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack Events (Meeting topic: charms)" | 10:13 | |
| jamespage | summit upcoming in shanghai - I know that sahid, icey and beisner are all attending and I'm sure they may be others | 10:14 |
| jamespage | upcoming == november (after next release) | 10:14 |
| jamespage | anyone got any other related events? I remember a ceph day for london? | 10:15 |
| jamespage | #link https://ceph.com/cephdays/ceph-day-london-2019/ | 10:15 |
| jamespage | October 24th - I may endeavour to get along to that | 10:15 |
| jamespage | CFP is still open ;) | 10:15 |
| jamespage | till end of this week | 10:15 |
| jamespage | ... | 10:16 |
| jamespage | .. | 10:16 |
| jamespage | . | 10:16 |
| jamespage | #topic Open Discussion | 10:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: charms)" | 10:16 | |
| fnordahl | https://mail.openvswitch.org/pipermail/ovs-announce/2019-August/000253.html | 10:16 |
| jamespage | oh right forgot that one | 10:16 |
| jamespage | #topic Openstack Events | 10:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack Events (Meeting topic: charms)" | 10:16 | |
| jamespage | I think we should rename this one 'events' | 10:16 |
| jamespage | we do a bit more that OpenStack these days! | 10:16 |
| fnordahl | +1 | 10:16 |
| jamespage | OVS/OVN conference | 10:16 |
| jamespage | fnordahl: are you still intending on submitting a talk? | 10:17 |
| fnordahl | CFP deadline September 23rd | 10:17 |
| jamespage | yikes | 10:17 |
| jamespage | all happening this month | 10:17 |
| jamespage | shall we draft something together in Paris? | 10:17 |
| fnordahl | That's a great idea, I think we have multipel topics that would be relevant from work this cycle | 10:17 |
| jamespage | ok lets do that then | 10:18 |
| jamespage | #topic Open Discussion | 10:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: charms)" | 10:18 | |
| jamespage | tinwood: lets discuss that policy templating challenge here | 10:19 |
| tinwood | okay | 10:19 |
| jamespage | #topic policy.d and whether to provide templating support... | 10:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "policy.d and whether to provide templating support... (Meeting topic: charms)" | 10:19 | |
| tinwood | so: background: | 10:19 |
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| tinwood | policyd override with templating = template from context variables (probably). | 10:19 |
| tinwood | policyd override without templating = put variables in charms' default policy file and reference them from override. | 10:20 |
| tinwood | i.e. static files. | 10:20 |
| tinwood | variables always under control of charm. | 10:20 |
| tinwood | Thoughts? | 10:20 |
| tinwood | (we tend to render the default policy file in general, in the charm) | 10:20 |
| jamespage | the idea being that UUID's of various standard things could then be used in the policy files | 10:21 |
| jamespage | i.e. the admin domain, or the admin project or whatever? | 10:21 |
| tinwood | yes | 10:21 |
| gnuoy | Why wouldn't we do the templating option? | 10:21 |
| tinwood | dmitrii had some use cases: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/604238/3/specs/stein/approved/policy-customization.rst@32 | 10:21 |
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| tinwood | gnuoy, complexity; risk of accidents; less control. | 10:22 |
| tinwood | (by charm authors) | 10:22 |
| tinwood | i.e. it's the old discussion between config values vs. free for all in config files. | 10:22 |
| gnuoy | I think if they are rolling their own policy overrides then they are already in the wild west | 10:23 |
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| jamespage | well injecting policy increased footgun potential exponentially anyway | 10:23 |
| jamespage | gnuoy: snap ! | 10:23 |
| tinwood | gnuoy, well possibly; I was trying to limit it to things orthogonal to what the charm does. | 10:23 |
| gnuoy | I would think templates reduces the risk tbh | 10:23 |
| gnuoy | I mis-typed the uuid etc | 10:23 |
| tinwood | gnuoy, templates would mean that ANYTHING potentially in a context can end up in an override. | 10:24 |
| jamespage | I think if we add template support as part of the feature, then it needs to be well documented and clear what can be used | 10:24 |
| gnuoy | tinwood, shrug | 10:24 |
| jamespage | I would constrain the scope | 10:24 |
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| gnuoy | I don't think I mind that tbh | 10:24 |
| jamespage | i.e. have a specific context for the policy.d templates | 10:24 |
| tinwood | jamespage, that's a bit "how long is a piece of string" though; it's hard to control once its out there. | 10:24 |
| tinwood | So there's two bits; charm-helpers, and how a charm implements it. | 10:25 |
| tinwood | We can put templating in charm-helpers, and not use it, or use it selectively in each charm | 10:25 |
| tinwood | (but it feels a bit like gold plating :) | 10:25 |
| tinwood | I'm happy either way, tbh | 10:26 |
| jamespage | I guess some actual examples of policices from end-users would be useful here. | 10:26 |
| jamespage | maybe we can get those | 10:26 |
| jamespage | lets park a decision for now and see if we can find out some good examples to make the requirement concrete rather than 'we might need' | 10:27 |
| jamespage | tinwood: does that sound OK? | 10:27 |
| tinwood | Sounds good; can I just add to refs here now | 10:27 |
| jamespage | yup | 10:27 |
| tinwood | Original policy concept: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/604238/3/specs/stein/approved/policy-customization.rst@32 (for charms) | 10:27 |
| tinwood | Bug with some more use cases: https://bugs.launchpad.net/charm-nova-compute/+bug/1688612 | 10:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1688612 in OpenStack nova-compute charm "feature: read-only users within openstack" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 10:28 |
| tinwood | I'll gather these into the spec. | 10:28 |
| tinwood | (me done) | 10:28 |
| jamespage | ta | 10:28 |
| jamespage | #topic Next Chair | 10:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Next Chair (Meeting topic: charms)" | 10:28 | |
| jamespage | is gnuoy! | 10:28 |
| jamespage | #endmeeting | 10:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 10:28 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 9 10:28:55 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2019/charms.2019-09-09-10.03.html | 10:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2019/charms.2019-09-09-10.03.txt | 10:28 |
| jamespage | thanks all! | 10:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2019/charms.2019-09-09-10.03.log.html | 10:28 |
| gnuoy | \o/ | 10:29 |
| icey | thanks jamespage | 10:29 |
| tinwood | thanks jamespage | 10:29 |
| gnuoy | thanks jamespage | 10:29 |
| fnordahl | thx jamespage o/ | 10:29 |
| jamespage | yw | 10:30 |
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