Thursday, 2016-11-10

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JRobinson__#startmeeting docuserguides06:34
openstackMeeting started Thu Nov 10 06:34:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.06:34
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.06:34
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JRobinson__Hi All, sorry for the delay,06:34
JRobinson__I'm testing out the new User Guide meeting date and time06:34
JRobinson__#topic New Meeting time and day06:35
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JRobinson__#info the User Guides team meeting now takes place at 0630 UTC06:35
JRobinson__The meeting is now run on a monthly basis06:35
JRobinson__#topic Ocata Tasks06:36
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JRobinson__#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ReorganizeUserGuides#Legacy_to_OpenStack_command_conversion_table06:36
JRobinson__Our large goal at the moment is the changing the legacy client commands in the User Guides to OpenStack client commands06:36
JRobinson__The linked table is for tracking purposes06:37
JRobinson__#action JRobinson__ to continue to update the table, adding files that still need conversion. -- High Priority06:37
JRobinson__If anyone wants to check the guides for legacy commands and update the table, please jump in.06:38
JRobinson__contributions are welcome in this process.06:38
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JRobinson__#topic Open Discussion06:43
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JRobinson__csatari, this is the new meeting for the User Guides, but you or visnyei can ping me if you have questions on the command conversion.06:43
JRobinson__^ping me any time.06:43
JRobinson__That's all, thanks everyone.06:44
JRobinson__#endmeeting06:44
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rosmaitahello everyone14:00
rosmaita#startmeeting glance14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Nov 10 14:00:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'glance'14:00
rosmaita#topic roll call14:01
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rosmaitao/14:01
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rosmaitahi mike14:01
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rosmaitahi alex14:01
mfedosino/14:01
sigmaviruso/14:02
alex_basho/14:02
rosmaitahi ian14:02
rosmaitalight turnout, so personal greetings for everyone :)14:02
sigmavirushello brian14:02
sigmavirus:)14:02
alex_bashπŸ˜ƒ14:02
* sigmavirus hopes no one notices the overlap in his and rosmaita's names14:02
* sigmavirus hopes no one thinks there's some kind of conspiracy here14:02
sigmavirus;)14:02
rosmaitaafter tuesday, anything is possible!14:03
rosmaitabut i digress14:03
jokke_o/14:03
sigmavirusA mild-mannered Erno appears!14:03
sigmavirusHello, Erno :)14:03
rosmaitalet's wait another minute or so, this is the first meeting at standard time in USA, so some people may suddenly realize it's happening14:03
rosmaitahi erno14:03
jokke_ello14:04
rosmaitathat's not a description of erno you hear very often :)14:04
sigmaviruswell he's not exactly "wild"14:04
rosmaitaok, very light agenda today, but there's a lot to do off the agenda, so hopefully this will be a quick meeting and you can spend the rest of the time following up on stuff14:05
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rosmaita#topic updates14:05
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rosmaita#topic update - virtual design summit session on zero-downtime rolling upgrades14:05
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rosmaitaFriday (tomorrow) at 14:00 UTC14:05
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rosmaitawe're going to try out a google hangout, live and will be recorded14:06
rosmaitathe link to the hangout will be posted in #openstack-glance about 10 min before the hangout14:06
nikhil./14:06
abhishek_ko/14:06
rosmaitahi nikhil14:06
rosmaitahi abhishek14:06
rosmaita(personal greetings today)14:06
abhishek_khi brian :)14:06
nikhilPls send us notifications on the virtual sync14:06
nikhilHi :)14:07
rosmaitait should be in your inbox, sent to ML yesterday14:07
nikhilI'm ramping up on work this week14:07
nikhilAh ty14:07
rosmaitagreat!14:07
rosmaita[openstack-dev] [glance] rolling upgrade virtual design session14:07
rosmaita(subject line)14:07
nikhilPerfect14:07
rosmaitashould be a pretty smooth presentation, alex wants to do it live, but he has a screencast as a backup14:08
rosmaitaso it will be lively and informative14:08
rosmaita#topic update - spec proposal freeze TODAY at 23:59 UTC14:08
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rosmaitajust a reminder about the spec proposal freeze14:08
rosmaitathe point of the proposal freeze is to make sure there's enough time for review and revision14:09
rosmaitabefore the actual freeze on 25 November14:09
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rosmaitathe proposal needs to be a patch to the glance-specs repo to ocata/approved/{glance,glanceclient,glance_store}14:10
rosmaitait can be a little sketchy, but the more detail the better of course14:10
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rosmaita#topic update - The Ocata-1 milestone is next week14:11
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rosmaitayep, O-1 is just around the corner14:11
rosmaitapriority is to merge Community Images:14:11
rosmaita#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369110/14:11
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rosmaitathere's a related small change, that you could look at also14:12
rosmaita#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/387660/14:12
rosmaitabut that's what i need everyone concentrating on for the next few days14:12
rosmaitathere's also a security bug that i can't mention, but people working on it know who they are14:13
rosmaitathat's the other priority for the next few days14:13
rosmaita#topic open discussion14:13
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rosmaitaok, like i said, light agenda14:13
rosmaitawe can talk a bit if anyone has anything14:13
rosmaitaotherwise i'd like to end early so people can go review community images and/or work on that bug14:14
rosmaitaabhishek_k: i filed that bug for the community goal and assigned you, did you get a notification?14:14
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abhishek_kyes14:15
rosmaitacool14:15
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abhishek_krosmaita: I have submitted a patch for that as well14:15
rosmaitaexcellent14:15
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abhishek_khttps://review.openstack.org/39478014:15
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rosmaitanoted ... priorities for O-1 are community images and that other thing i can't mention, then we'll open your patch for review14:16
rosmaitaO-1 being next week14:16
rosmaitawill be nice to get the community goal done early! so thanks for the quick work14:16
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rosmaitaany other discussion?14:17
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abhishek_kglance-members, please have a look on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352892/ request-id patch14:17
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abhishek_kafter priority work also seems ok14:18
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rosmaitathat's reasonable14:18
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rosmaitai was looking at that 255 chars image member causes 500 bug yesterday, but it's more complicated than i thought14:19
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abhishek_krosmaita: yes its complicated14:20
rosmaitawill get some comments on there today (hopefully) for bhagyshri14:20
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rosmaitaanything else?14:20
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abhishek_kthanks14:20
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nikhilI welcome a fewreview requests14:21
rosmaitahttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/369110/14:21
rosmaita:)14:21
nikhilindeed14:22
nikhil:)14:22
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rosmaitanikhil: you might want to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1585917/ , see if you have suggestions14:23
openstackLaunchpad bug 1585917 in Glance "member-create will raise 500 error if member-id is greater than 255 characters" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Abhishek Kekane (abhishek-kekane)14:23
rosmaitai was thinking the discussion had gotten sidetracked14:23
rosmaitainto a discussion about the proper schema14:23
nikhilsurely14:23
rosmaitaand hoped the fix for the 500 could be done independently14:23
rosmaitabut it's more closely related than i thought14:23
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rosmaitai know bhagyashris is wanting to get to work on it14:24
rosmaitaso if you have some thoughts, that could help a lot14:24
sigmavirusrosmaita: are there launchpad bugs for each of the O-1 priorities?14:24
nikhilack14:24
rosmaitano, just the community images spec and patch14:24
alex_bashAnother small community images related patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391968/14:25
rosmaitaalex_bash: nice!14:25
rosmaitatell you what, i will send out a summary email with links to the 3 patches14:26
rosmaitasigmavirus: will that work?14:26
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sigmavirusrosmaita: yes, thank you14:28
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rosmaitaok, great, will send out an email in a few min14:29
rosmaitadon't forget the virtual design session tomorrow, 14:00 UTC14:29
bhagyashrisyup, it will be great when i get few more opinion.14:29
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rosmaitalink to the google hangout will be posted in #openstack-glance around 13:50 utc tomorrow14:29
rosmaitaok, thanks everyone!14:30
rosmaita#endmeeting14:30
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sjmc7#startmeeting openstack search15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Nov 10 15:00:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sjmc7. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
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TravTo/15:00
robcresswello/15:00
Kevin_Zheng0/15:00
sjmc7Morning all15:00
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lei-zho/15:00
sjmc7Afternoon/evening for some15:01
sjmc7Give it another minute then i’ll get started. Probably not a long one today15:02
* robcresswell is some15:02
TravTis some?15:02
sjmc7The clock change really bit me last week; it was dark absurdly early15:02
TravTyeah, i'm still getting used to it15:03
TravTbeen waking up an hour early all week15:03
sjmc7The UK is plunged into darkness at lunchtime15:03
sjmc7Ok, let’s get going, but before we do, let’s welcome Kevin_Zheng to the core team - you should have +2/+W privileges on the three searchlight repos now15:04
TravTwelcome, Kevin!15:04
lei-zhcongrat!15:04
sjmc7Thanks for all your hard work on contributions and reviews over the last few months15:04
Kevin_Zhengthanks15:05
sjmc7Meeting agenda’s at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda15:05
sjmc7#topic Ocata-1 milestone15:05
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sjmc7Ocata-1 has crept up on us; it’s Nov 14th-18th, so next week15:06
sjmc7The only thing to note is that the nova spec freeze happens at that time15:06
TravTwow, that came fast15:07
sjmc7I’m not sure of the latest state of play with that. I did file a load of bugs agianst nova’s server notifications15:07
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TravTthere was mailing list chatter15:07
TravTwith gibi and matt saying the responded to them15:07
sjmc7Some of them they’re taking on board, some not. The upshot was that we need to look at versioned notifications15:07
sjmc7Because it’s unlikely they’ll modify the old ones. I’ve not had a chance to do that yet, though i dont’ think adding fields would fall under the spec freeze15:08
Kevin_ZhengI found some other issue15:08
Kevin_Zhengthere are case like this15:09
Kevin_Zhengdeleting instance will perform some direct db delete15:10
sjmc7in nova?15:10
Kevin_Zhengyes15:10
Kevin_Zhengfor some related db15:10
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Kevin_Zhenglike servergroup15:10
lei-zhno notification emits?15:10
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Kevin_Zhengyes because it is direct db action15:10
Kevin_Zhengim using phone now so i can't show the code15:11
sjmc7i can look it up if you give me a clue where to look15:11
Kevin_Zhengyou can check for api/openstack/compute/servers.py15:12
Kevin_Zhengfor delete action15:12
Kevin_Zhengit will finally lead to delete_db_instance15:13
sjmc7https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/servers.py#L75415:13
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Kevin_Zhenggo futhur15:13
Kevin_Zhengto compute.api15:14
sjmc7https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/api.py#L167515:14
Kevin_Zhengmaybe you guys talk the next topic first15:15
sjmc7maybe just describe the problem, can burrow into it later :)15:15
Kevin_ZhengI change to computer15:15
sjmc7it’s like an ant nest15:15
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sjmc7ok, maybe come back to this in a minute15:17
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sjmc7in any case, any nova specs we want we need to prod on before next week15:17
sjmc7#topic Project Team Gathering15:17
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sjmc7The design summit has been replaced with the PTG towards the end of the ocata release, Feb 20th-24th next year15:18
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sjmc7The first two days is for horizontal teams (which would be useful to us), last two are to concentrate on vertical work15:18
sjmc7I haven’t requested room space but if anyone is likely to be there we can sort something out closer to the time15:19
robcresswellI'll be there :D15:19
sjmc7I will try to get there at least for Monday & Tuesday but it’s probably 50/50 on whether I’ll be able to go15:19
sjmc7Think it’s in Atlanta again15:20
robcresswellyup15:20
TravTi'm doubtful that I'll get travel approval this time around.15:20
sjmc7Yeah, we’re a bit wait and see at the moment15:20
TravTbut, i've also said that the last couple things I've made it to15:21
TravTso you never know15:21
lei-zhnot sure about that, it's a brand new thing15:21
sjmc7We could buy a VW camper and do it old school15:21
TravTyeah, you could swing by colorado on your way to georgia15:21
TravTonly like 10 hours out of the way15:21
sjmc7lei-zh: yeah, it is, but it’s likely to replace the design summit for a lot of people15:21
sjmc7Going to be harder to justify sending developers to the main conference for some15:21
sjmc7It remains to be seen how that pans out15:22
robcresswellAt least in Cisco, we're way more likely get approval for PTG than Forum15:23
robcresswellI think the Forum will be pretty developer-lite15:23
sjmc7Yes, us too (though β€˜more’ is somewhat relative)15:23
lei-zhI know people from my team frequently attend nova mid cycle, but this PTG remains to be seen15:23
sjmc7I think they’re looking more on this as being the design summit rather than a mid-cycle15:23
sjmc7Some teams may also choose to hold mid-cycles closer to the beginning of releases (maybe around m-1) but again, that remains to be seen15:24
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robcresswellI think people might just hijack the forum for midcycles15:24
robcresswellsince they'll be travelling anyway15:24
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sjmc7Yeah. Anyway, if people are going then we’ll sort things out closer to the time but keep it in mind15:26
sjmc7Hopefully robcresswell won’t be sitting in a room on his own15:26
sjmc7Moving on...15:26
sjmc7#topic Reviews15:26
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robcresswellfingers crossed15:27
sjmc7Given the o-1 milestone approaches, it’d be nice to get the more meaty reviews closer to getting merged15:27
sjmc7The ironic plugin ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364462/) is pretty close15:27
sjmc7I did get ironic running just before the summit and then got distracted with a load of stuff, so i need to revisit that15:28
sjmc7lei-zh: the pipelining one ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359972/) Rick and I added a load of comments15:29
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sjmc7not sure if there’s more discussion needed on that?15:29
lei-zhnope, I've been occupied by some other stuff this week15:30
sjmc7yeah, me too15:30
sjmc7no rush on it. ping me if you have any questions on the comments15:30
lei-zhwill be back next week with a new update15:30
lei-zhok15:30
sjmc7Ok, cool. I’ll make sure i set aside some time for it15:30
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lei-zhalso I could take a look at ironic plugin, did something related to bare metal things recently15:31
sjmc7Ok. It’s almost there, just needs a bit more tweaking, but good to get some more eyes on it15:32
sjmc7There are also some other more minor reviews that are hopefully a bit more straightforward (TravT added  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359972/ i think to the agenda)15:32
sjmc7Now everyone’s recovering from travel and such, be good to get some of those moving15:32
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TravTyeah, i'm thinking we should just push that one through15:34
sjmc7That’s why you’re not allowed to be dicatator any more15:34
Kevin_ZhengT_T network very bad due to stupid shopping festival15:34
sjmc7Shopping festival??15:34
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sjmc7Sounds awful15:34
Kevin_Zhengyeah, 11.11 in china15:35
lei-zhhaha, 30 minutes later it's chinese black friday15:35
rosmaitasounds better than the recent election festival15:35
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sjmc7Hahaha, now everyone’s got a black friday but they’re all different days15:35
Kevin_Zhengready to bring up the nova instance deleting thing15:35
sjmc7yeah, now’s a good time Kevin_Zheng15:35
Kevin_Zhenghttps://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/db/sqlalchemy/api.py#L183115:35
Kevin_Zhengit finally lead to this15:36
sjmc7oh my15:36
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Kevin_Zhengbut maybe only instancegroup has affect to us?15:37
sjmc7ah.. instance group ?15:37
sjmc7actually, this brings up something i’d forgotten about15:37
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Kevin_Zhenginstance group is server group the db table is called this15:38
sjmc7yeah15:38
sjmc7there are some other places where we record information on Servers that belong ot other services, like neutron security groups15:38
Kevin_Zhengyes15:38
sjmc7So I think for some notifications we need a mechanism of registering that a notification may affect other resource types15:39
sjmc7The simplest way is to have ServerGroup listen for instance.delete events15:39
sjmc7That might be enough15:39
Kevin_Zhengyes, I thought about that15:39
sjmc7the handlers are just chained together anyway so it’s no different from making Server aware of ServerGroups15:40
sjmc7and it means less logic to figure out if a resource type is enabled15:40
Kevin_Zhenggood15:40
sjmc7I guess for the ServerGroup you’d have to do a query against elasticsearch to find matching groups15:41
Kevin_Zhengsure15:41
sjmc7We do that in other places15:41
sjmc7You won’t have an accurate version to use, so it’ll just increment15:41
Kevin_ZhengOK, I will try it tomorrow15:42
sjmc7Ok. Please file a bug about the behavior so we can track it15:42
Kevin_Zhengsure15:43
sjmc7(That can wait til tomorrow too)15:43
Kevin_Zheng:)15:43
sjmc7Or til after the shopping festival!15:43
sjmc7Ok, anything else on reviews?15:43
sjmc7Last up..15:44
sjmc7#topic Blueprints15:44
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sjmc7I had a quick look through https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight this morning15:44
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sjmc7There’s nothing jumped out as needing re-prioritizing but obviously if there’s anything anyone wants looking at bring it up in the main channel. I don’t think we have a huge amount of new stuff planned for this shorter release, so there may be some bandwidth15:45
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TravTno, we didn't come up with much15:46
sjmc7I guess that’s good, in a sense :)15:46
sjmc7I’ll keep working with the nova team around notifications15:47
TravTwe pretty much knew that our focus would be on getting feedback from people deploying and working with nova15:47
TravTi'm trying to find the summit etherpad15:47
Kevin_Zhenghow will we work with nova with the list thing?15:48
Kevin_Zhengi mean what will it be?15:48
TravTttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-searchlight-summit-working-sessions15:49
sjmc7Not sure yet. They want to use searchlight for queries across multiple cells15:49
TravTlooks like pipeline, error handling, supporting plugins, supporting nova15:49
Kevin_Zhengcalling nova list api then nova will call SL or only expose SL api15:49
sjmc7It’ll pass through if SL is enabled15:49
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sjmc7They don’t want a hard dependency15:49
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Kevin_Zhenghmm15:50
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sjmc7It’s probably a way off yet; things move slowly :)15:51
sjmc7That was all i had on the agenda15:51
sjmc7#topic Open discussion15:51
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sjmc7Anyone have anything else?15:51
TravTnot today15:52
TravTthanks sjmc715:52
Kevin_Zhengthanks15:52
lei-zhnope15:52
sjmc7If that’s it, I’ll go and refuel on caffeine. Thanks everyone. Enjoy the shopping rampage!15:53
sjmc7#endmeeting15:53
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andymccr#startmeeting OpenStack-Ansible16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Nov 10 16:00:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is andymccr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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andymccr#topic Roll Call16:00
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automagicallyo/16:01
asettleo/16:01
andymccrmhayden is way better at meetings clearly!16:01
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cloudnullo/16:02
asettleNo, we're just coming in mostly in alphabetical order.16:02
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odyssey4meo/16:02
asettleYou know, doing it in an orderly fashion16:02
andymccri'll give it a few mins16:02
mgariepyo/16:02
rromans.16:02
jmccroryo/16:02
asettleTotally alphabetically until jmccrory came along.16:02
asettleJeez Jim.16:02
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palendaeo/16:03
cloudnullhahahaw16:03
jmccroryughh i shouldn't have said anything at all16:03
adrezneco/16:03
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andymccrok! thanks for coming everybody lets get this started!16:05
asettlejmccrory: stick to Spanish :p16:05
andymccr#topic Review action items16:05
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andymccrok so there weren't any - so im gonna call that one a resounding success and move on.16:05
asettle*claps*16:05
asettleAmazing16:05
andymccr#topic Project Mascot16:05
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andymccrFrom last week's meeting, more of a reminder16:06
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andymccrfeedback on the mascot (not the choice, but the actual draw up) is open until tomorrow pretty much16:06
andymccrso if you haven't given feedback already, tomorrow is the closing day16:06
andymccrfrom last week the links are16:06
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andymccr#link http://tinyurl.com/OSmascot16:07
andymccrthat's the survey!16:07
andymccrand for the image16:07
andymccr#link http://i.imgur.com/wub7aro.png16:07
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andymccrok, so moving right along!16:08
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andymccr#topic PTG Atlanta Feb 20-24th16:08
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andymccrSo there is a link for signups now16:08
andymccr#link Signup for PTG: https://pikeptg.eventbrite.com16:08
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andymccras a side note, this is supposed to be the design summit - so decisions to be made for the Pike cycle16:10
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andymccrwhich means we'll need to figure out methods for doing a "midcycle"-esque approach for Ocata16:10
odyssey4meok cool, we'll have to get ducks in a row with regards to expenses and such16:11
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andymccryeah - so from a RAX perspective I've tried to get that conversation going, but its approaching fast.16:11
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palendaeI've been needling about it too16:11
palendaeFiscal calendars are whack16:12
andymccrpalendae: yeah...16:12
palendaeIs there a hard limit on attendees?16:12
palendaeThe 500?16:12
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andymccrpalendae: i'd heard 200... so this is going to be logistical issue.16:12
palendaeOof16:12
palendaeYeah16:12
palendaeregistering late will be of bigger consequence with this then16:12
palendaeBut that's internal for us16:12
andymccrAlso i noticed a question lastweek about an email regarding our involvement16:13
andymccrso I've already RSVP'd (effectively) a few weeks back to say that OSA will be involved16:13
spotzo/16:13
andymccrbut we can send out an email if needed16:13
cloudnullis there an "ATC" code for the PTG?16:13
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adrezneccloudnull: I don't think so16:14
andymccrcloudnull: no.16:14
cloudnullmakes sense , was just curious16:14
andymccrtickets are $100 - since there is no business sponsorship effort that the summit itself drives, im guessing that is why.16:14
asettleRight, that makes sense.16:14
andymccrok - we all good on that topic? I think we can have a bigger discussion about how we want to approach PTGs vs Midcycles etc.16:15
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odyssey4meyeah, it may be worth exploring a fully virtual mid-cycle, with regional meetings and handovers between major time zones16:15
andymccr#action sign up for the PTG if you're attending!16:16
odyssey4methat said the 'mid cycle' is essentially during the summit time16:16
andymccr#topic Upgrade testing16:16
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andymccrOK! So jmccrory has already put a PR in for keystone, and I'm trying to do the same for glance - to get a pattern of a good start point: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396219/16:17
andymccr#link POC upgrade of glance: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396219/16:17
andymccrwould appreciate reviews/thoughts/concerns/questions and any help to do upgrade testing for other roles (once we finalize an approach)16:17
* automagically will take a look. Thanks for getting that work kicked off16:18
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andymccrexcellent, thanks!16:18
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andymccr#topic Community involvement and release-manager16:18
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andymccrmoving along.16:18
stevelleas a point of note on upgrade testing16:18
andymccrohh sorry stevelle :) carry on16:19
stevelleglance is trying to implement zero downtime this cycle, so might be better to try for another project instead16:19
andymccrstevelle: my opinion is that we start off with upgrade testing on all roles - just a basic, does it upgrade and can we do functional testing16:19
stevellemy point is they are changing the upgrades16:20
andymccras a start point (not perfect), but zero-downtime would come later. jmccrory's PR for keystone does it.16:20
stevellethe role testing will break16:20
andymccrstevelle: but surely it will still work? it just won't work with zero downtime16:20
jmccrorythe keystone role does both right now, zero downtime and testing of basic upgrades16:20
stevelleit will use different commands16:20
jmccrorythe PR at least16:20
stevelleor at least that is the direction they are going16:20
stevellenot a big deal, just something that might recommend cinder or another role16:21
odyssey4mewell, zero downtime upgrades would require implementing the procedure for it16:21
andymccrstevelle: i guess it's good to stay on the pace then. i'd like to see upgrades as a first class citizen rather than a "oh well we thought of that a bit down the line"16:21
odyssey4meI think the starting test is simply to deploy N-1, deploy N, test16:21
odyssey4meno special orchestration16:21
andymccrstevelle: good point though - we'll have to look at it, the end aim is to get involved more in the projects and stay up to date with the upgrade procedures.16:21
odyssey4methe alternative would be to implement the tests in stable/newton and test upgrades from mitaka to newton - then forward port16:21
automagicallyIs there an etherpad with folks signing up for upgrade work on each role?16:22
odyssey4meautomagically :)16:22
stevelleI intend to add bits to help support zero-downtime, but if the db sync command syntax changes you will end up with a broken role16:22
andymccrautomagically: let me create one! :)16:22
stevelleand as I said, the way they are going, the db sync syntax will change16:22
andymccr#link Etherpad to track upgrade testing creation for roles: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osa-upgrade-testing16:22
odyssey4meI was kinda thinking that perhaps we should use bugs as task trackers - ie a bug per role16:22
automagicallyodyssey4me: ++16:22
andymccrthats a good idea16:22
andymccri'd like to nail down a "this is a base of how to do it for x role - now go and replicate!"16:23
odyssey4memaybe a blueprint to describe the objective, and link it to the bugs16:23
odyssey4me++ andymccr that would make it easy for people looking to help16:23
andymccrok - anymore on upgrade testing?16:24
andymccr#action andymccr to file bugs/blueprint for upgrade testing16:24
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andymccrok! So back to community involvement - release-manager etc.16:26
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andymccrevrardjp (isn't here), but expressed interested in getting involved and being release manager, so I'd like to set that up (if nobody has any issues !)16:27
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andymccrand i'd also like to open the floor to anybody else to get involved in the various other jobs/tasks that are involved16:27
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odyssey4me:) release manage is quite demanding - it might be good to have one in the uk and one in the us16:28
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odyssey4methat way when it's big release time they can hand over instead of staying up late at night waiting for patches to merge16:28
andymccrwe can find out if we can do that if anybody else is interested. but the message is essentially - if you want to get involved in anyway let me know and we'll figure something out.16:28
odyssey4menot sure if the release team is ok with having more than one liason, but it's worth asking16:28
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andymccrand also, thanks to evrardjp for making my dream of delegating all my work out become closer to reality :D16:29
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odyssey4mehaha16:30
andymccr#topic Timezone changes for meetings16:30
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andymccrSince daylight savings shenanigans is now in place in a lot of the places contributors are worked - id be open to move the meeting to 17:00 UTC instead of 16:00 (will have to look into the process but if there is interest)16:31
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palendaeandymccr: With the intent of moving it again when DST comes back?16:32
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andymccrpalendae: yeah basically, i mean if everybody is effectively used to it being at x local time, and once a year it becomes x-1 or x+1 it gets confusing and annoying.16:32
odyssey4menot sure we can easily get a shift in the meeting room16:33
andymccron a separate note - we may want to move our meeting to wednesday or tuesday - infra don't do releases on friday usually, so it may be worthwhile to move our weekly meeting to a tuesday or wednesday unless there are issues with that16:33
stevelleI prefer booking against UTC myself16:34
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odyssey4mealso, switching meetings rooms at different times of the year is pretty confusing too16:34
odyssey4mehttp://eavesdrop.openstack.org/16:34
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andymccrstevelle: agree UTC removes confusion - just concerned that having the meeting an hour earlier (effectively) for our west coast friends (e.g. you!) makes it harder to attend.16:35
palendaeI'm used to it, honestly, it's just something to be aware of16:35
palendaeTrue it does complicate west coast16:35
andymccrbut if you're ok with it stevelle then we can leave it as is :)16:35
odyssey4meI think moving the meeting to earlier in the week would be helpful for getting releases done within the week, but it's not essential.16:35
stevelleit's rough, but not as bad as the upstream community meeting  at 6am I have thursdays16:35
automagicallyouch16:36
andymccrok well if that changes, or if anybody else has issues lets discuss it - let me know and we can look into fixing that up/changing it.16:36
andymccrok cool!16:37
andymccrnext!16:37
andymccr#topic Release planning and decisions16:37
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andymccrok - so last week was release week (thanks odyssey4me!)16:38
odyssey4me:) all seems to have gone well16:38
andymccrnext week is the next release, so any work you want in - just a remind to get it pushed through etc.16:38
andymccr*reminder16:38
odyssey4meloads of optimisations going in now - thanks to all for contributing them16:38
odyssey4melooking forward to 14.0.216:38
odyssey4meit's nice to see that we aren't getting too many horrible bugs16:39
odyssey4meso newton seems to have been a good release :)16:39
andymccr#topic blueprint work16:39
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automagicallyMy org will be exercising Newton pretty heavily soon…so hopefully we’ll flush out a few more bugs16:40
andymccrautomagically: sounds good. look forward to it :P16:40
palendaeautomagically: Or prove that it's all just fine.16:40
automagicallypalendae: Yes, that’s also a possibility16:40
andymccrso the only blueprint we have for the meeting is still mhayden's RHEL 7 STIG16:41
andymccr#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/security-rhel7-stig16:41
andymccrdoes anybody else have any blueprint work they'd like to address16:41
mhaydenthere's a spec for octavia out there, too16:42
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odyssey4methe ghost of mhayden is present16:42
andymccrmhayden: got a link? :) or i can track down the email16:42
andymccr#link spec for octavia: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392205/16:43
andymccrok moving along then!16:44
andymccr#topic open discussion16:44
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andymccrand with that.16:44
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andymccrdoes anybody have anything they'd like to raise/discuss?16:44
palendaeSome outstanding inventory reviews at https://review.openstack.org/392417, https://review.openstack.org/392057, and https://review.openstack.org/39205616:44
* automagically palendae Will take a look16:45
odyssey4meyeah, can we get those rebased - then revoted16:45
palendaeA few of us are going to talk to the craton team in a little bit16:46
palendaeMay inform where we go with the inventory changes16:46
andymccrsounds good16:47
odyssey4meI have a few irons in the fire at the moment. I'm pretty close to having role-based container caches being built, making them easy to harvest and re-use, and also speeding up the build time a bit.16:47
odyssey4meI've also got to finish up the new tempest test method execution for the integrated build so that we can do scenario-based testing there.16:48
odyssey4meI expect to have a prototype of the first up for review in the next day.16:48
odyssey4methe tempest bits just need to be rebased and finished up: https://review.openstack.org/37175316:49
odyssey4methat was just FYI :)16:49
odyssey4meOnce I have those done I'll revise the WIP specs I put up.16:50
andymccrsounds good16:50
andymccrok anymore for anymore?16:51
odyssey4mehow do we feel about having a periodic upgrade check running?16:51
odyssey4meI'm talking major upgrade16:51
odyssey4meit would require us monitoring the openstack-qa mailing list for results16:52
andymccri like the idea personally16:52
logan-in the integrated repo? i would run it if the test existed16:53
odyssey4meok, I'll try and work up a prototype and setup an experimental job for it to kick start it.16:54
odyssey4meHopefully then others can climb in to make it work better before we then switch over to making it run periodically.16:55
andymccr#action odyssey4me looking into adding a prototype experimental integrated build upgrade test (as a periodical)16:55
odyssey4medammit16:55
andymccrhahaha16:56
logan-lol16:56
andymccrnew world order.16:56
andymccrOK!16:56
andymccrthanks everybody - 4 mins left. but i think we're done here16:56
andymccr#endmeeting16:56
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stevelleand printing the upgrade test might be more than a newspaper, it might be a book16:56
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LouisF#startmeeting service_chaining17:07
openstackMeeting started Thu Nov 10 17:07:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is LouisF. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:07
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:07
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining'17:07
pcarverhello17:07
LouisFhi paul17:07
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LouisFhmm looks like the time change has people expecting a later start17:08
pcarvermaybe17:09
pcarverI was wondering if people would forget about the DST change17:10
LouisFi think that is the case17:10
pcarverwell, we can talk about stadium status in the mean time17:11
LouisFthe agenda for today is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ServiceFunctionChainingMeeting#Agenda_for_the_Networking-SFC_Meeting_.2811.2F10.2F2016.2917:11
LouisFsure17:11
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LouisF#topic stadium status17:12
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LouisFmohankumar_: hi17:12
mohankumar_Hi , sorry got late17:12
pcarverI think we're pretty close to having all the bits completed17:12
LouisFpcarver: you were are the stadium meeting at the summit?17:12
pcarverLouisF: yes17:12
pcarverand I'm also using Armando's comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/389385/ as a reference17:13
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pcarverhe listed four items as pre-reqs to merging the api-ref17:13
pcarver1) patch that converts CLIs into OSC.17:13
pcarverDone I believe17:13
pcarver2) patch that makes tempest job gated and voting17:13
pcarveralso done17:14
pcarver3) patch that introduces grafana/periodic job17:14
pcarverI think there's still discussion on that one17:14
pcarver4) patch that provides releasenotes17:14
pcarverI forget if that one is done17:14
LouisFi think it should merge today17:15
pcarverno, not done yet17:15
pcarver-1 from Bernard Cafarelli17:15
pcarverI've got another update coming on the api-ref and then I think it'll be ready to merge after the four above17:16
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LouisFok i will address Bernard's comment17:17
pcarverMy api-ref change also includes moving the api definition into neutron-lib17:17
LouisFpcarver: ok17:18
pcarverand it will be followed by a change to remove certain pieces from networking-sfc repo and import them from neutron-lib17:18
LouisFpcarver:17:18
LouisFpcarver: great17:18
pcarverone possible question will be whether we need ACTION_MAP17:19
LouisFwe are hoping to pull the newton branch today17:19
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pcarverOn the topic of branches, devstack stable/mitaka works for me but I haven't been able to get trunk to work with networking-sfc. I'm not sure if that's just a local issue on my end17:22
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LouisFpcarver: we have been testing with master and it is ok17:22
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pcarverDoes it work on Ubuntu 14.04 or do I need to update the base image I've been using?17:23
LouisFyes 14.0417:23
pcarverOk. I'll need to figure out what's going wrong. I wasn't sure if it was a base OS issue, but stack.sh bombs out when I use master instead of stable/mitaka17:24
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pcarverin any case, I think we're just about good on the stadium requirements17:25
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LouisFpcarver: agree - should get them done in the next week17:25
mohankumarI'm thinking to keep entry point for sfc osc client clis by adding sfc keyword before like "openstack sfc port pair create --" , to address armando comment @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/389397/717:27
mohankumaris that ok ?any suggestions?17:27
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mohankumararmando comment: β€œthe OSC bindings need revision a bit, the entry points are too generic and may conflict with other ones.”17:28
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LouisFmohankumar: +117:29
pcarverit seems ok to me17:30
mohankumarokay17:30
LouisFthink we have covered the stadium items in had on the agenda: api-ref, relnotes, grafana, osc..17:32
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LouisFpavel is not on regarding the cli parameter validation https://review.openstack.org/#/c/388597/17:33
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LouisF#topic bug scrub17:35
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LouisFpcarver: since we are the only two on - i will defer this to next meeting17:36
pcarvermohankumar is here too17:37
mohankumar:) yes17:37
pcarverbut agree on defering17:37
LouisFsorry mohankumar17:37
mohankumarpcarver: +117:37
mohankumarLouisF: it's ok17:37
LouisFmohankumar pcarver good meeting you at the summit17:37
mohankumarLouisF : same here !17:38
LouisFi am going call it a day17:38
LouisFthanks all17:38
pcarverok, sounds good17:38
LouisFbye17:39
mohankumarbye17:39
LouisF#endmeeting17:39
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