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| ryansb | flwang: I am now | 00:46 |
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| ryansb | presentation creation? | 00:46 |
| flwang | ryansb: did you see the email from summit presentation site? | 00:52 |
| flwang | ryansb: feel free update it https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/call-for-speakers/manage/7096/summary | 00:53 |
| ryansb | no, was it on openstack-dev? | 00:53 |
| flwang | ryansb: no, it's sent from speakersupport@openstack.org | 00:53 |
| flwang | ryansb: can you access above link? | 00:54 |
| ryansb | yes, I do | 00:55 |
| flwang | ryansb: cool, pls feel free update it | 00:56 |
| ryansb | :) will do | 00:56 |
| flwang | ryansb: cool, cheers | 00:56 |
| ryansb | going to add a link to https://github.com/ryansb/zaqar-webscraper-demo to show we have code samples and such | 00:56 |
| flwang | ryansb: good point | 00:58 |
| ryansb | ok, I saved my edits | 01:07 |
| ryansb | check them out and let me know what you think :) | 01:07 |
| flwang | ryansb: cool, reviewing.... | 01:17 |
| flwang | ryansb: looks good for me, thanks for the improvement | 01:20 |
| flwang | i'm always frustrating with my english :D | 01:20 |
| ryansb | no worries. When do you want to submit it? I'd like to go over it again in the morning with fresh eyes, and we can get vkmc to look at it as well | 01:22 |
| ryansb | It's due midnight PST at the end of Feb 1, so you can look it over in (your) morning before submit-time | 01:23 |
| ryansb | sound good? | 01:23 |
| Eva-i | Hello. Do you know when the design summit deadline for proposing design sessions will be? | 01:30 |
| ryansb | no, I don't | 01:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Eva Balycheva proposed openstack/zaqar: Support binary messages over websocket https://review.openstack.org/256978 | 01:42 |
| flwang | ryansb: i think it has already been submitted, no? | 01:43 |
| flwang | Eva-i: seems it haven't started yet | 01:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Eva Balycheva proposed openstack/zaqar: Support binary messages over websocket https://review.openstack.org/256978 | 01:45 |
| Eva-i | flwang: seems like it | 01:46 |
| Eva-i | flwang: I have some ideas how to make Zaqar more stable. Maybe I should propose something for the design summit and try myself as design session lead. I wonder if it will be a good idea, since I have never attended to summit and don't know many things. | 01:50 |
| flwang | Eva-i: sure, sounds a good plan. | 01:51 |
| Eva-i | flwang: oki | 01:51 |
| flwang | Eva-i: does your internship provide the funding for this kind of travel? | 01:51 |
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| Eva-i | flwang: from what I know, yes, internship can give me $500. Maybe OpenStack can also add some. | 01:56 |
| flwang | Eva-i: cool, just apply for the funding from openstack foundation at the first time :) | 02:00 |
| Eva-i | flwang: yes, I will =) | 02:03 |
| openstackgerrit | wanghao proposed openstack/zaqar: "group" word should be used instead "pool" https://review.openstack.org/273931 | 02:08 |
| openstackgerrit | wanghao proposed openstack/zaqar: Patch flavors miss 'capabilities' validation https://review.openstack.org/274490 | 02:34 |
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| flwang | wanghao: ping | 02:59 |
| openstackgerrit | wanghao proposed openstack/zaqar: "group" word should be used instead "pool" https://review.openstack.org/273931 | 03:09 |
| openstackgerrit | wanghao proposed openstack/zaqar: Make error response better for patching flavors https://review.openstack.org/274495 | 03:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | wangxiyuan proposed openstack/zaqar: Fix 500 error when create pools in wsgi v2. https://review.openstack.org/274537 | 07:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | wangxiyuan proposed openstack/zaqar: Fix 500 error when create pools in wsgi v2. https://review.openstack.org/274537 | 08:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | wangxiyuan proposed openstack/zaqar: Fix 500 error when create pools in wsgi v2. https://review.openstack.org/274537 | 09:45 |
| openstackgerrit | wangxiyuan proposed openstack/zaqar: Fix 500 error when create pools in wsgi v2. https://review.openstack.org/274537 | 09:56 |
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| vkmc | hi all! | 12:24 |
| mdnadeem | vkmc, hello | 12:58 |
| vkmc | mdnadeem, heeeeeey, long time no see :) how are you? | 12:58 |
| vkmc | I hardly catch you online... damn timezones | 12:58 |
| mdnadeem | vkmc, i am good , yah i know | 12:59 |
| mdnadeem | vkmc, So do you give any session of zaqar in summit? | 12:59 |
| mdnadeem | *present | 13:00 |
| mdnadeem | exploreshaifali, hi | 13:01 |
| exploreshaifali | mdnadeem, \o | 13:02 |
| exploreshaifali | vkmc, \o | 13:02 |
| exploreshaifali | how you people are? | 13:02 |
| vkmc | exploreshaifali, oh you too!! :D so good to see you online | 13:02 |
| mdnadeem | exploreshaifali, good, catch you after so long | 13:02 |
| vkmc | exploreshaifali, hiii | 13:02 |
| exploreshaifali | I am trying to come back here!.... /me miss you all | 13:02 |
| vkmc | we miss you here | 13:02 |
| vkmc | :) | 13:03 |
| exploreshaifali | :) | 13:03 |
| vkmc | mdnadeem, no, I won't be presenting any technical session this summit... I need a short break heh :D how about you? | 13:03 |
| mdnadeem | vkmc, my company not sponser , So not sure if i am able to attend summit | 13:03 |
| mdnadeem | :( | 13:03 |
| vkmc | :( whaaat noooo | 13:04 |
| vkmc | mdnadeem, did you consider applying to the travel support program? | 13:04 |
| exploreshaifali | that is sad! :( | 13:04 |
| exploreshaifali | yes mdnadeem you should! | 13:04 |
| mdnadeem | Any way i will apply for travel support, lets see if i got by chance | 13:04 |
| vkmc | sounds good... please do that! | 13:04 |
| exploreshaifali | yea | 13:04 |
| ryansb | good morning, zaqarians | 13:06 |
| mdnadeem | ryansb, its good night here, :) | 13:06 |
| ryansb | mdnadeem: it's all relative ;) | 13:06 |
| mdnadeem | ryansb, you attending this summit? | 13:07 |
| ryansb | yep. I'm proposing a talk with vkmc and flwang on using zaqar as a communication layer for workers/microservices | 13:07 |
| vkmc | ryansb, could you submit that talk? | 13:08 |
| ryansb | well, flwang is proposing and I'm along for the ride :) | 13:08 |
| vkmc | today is the deadline | 13:08 |
| vkmc | yeah, same here | 13:08 |
| ryansb | vkmc: have you looked at my edits yet? | 13:08 |
| mdnadeem | that nice ;) | 13:08 |
| vkmc | ryansb, nope, checking those now | 13:08 |
| ryansb | I'd like to have another set of eyes on them first | 13:08 |
| ryansb | vkmc: thanks {) | 13:08 |
| ryansb | err, :) | 13:08 |
| vkmc | ryansb, which email you used to add me? | 13:08 |
| ryansb | I don't know, it's based on your OpenStack ID | 13:10 |
| ryansb | here's the link, anyways https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/call-for-speakers/manage/7096/speakers | 13:10 |
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| Eva-i | Hello | 14:04 |
| Eva-i | Is it our meeting time? | 14:04 |
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| vkmc | nope, in 50 minutes Eva-i | 14:10 |
| Eva-i | vkmc: yes, you're right | 14:10 |
| vkmc | +1 | 14:12 |
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| therve | Eva-i, http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/calendars/zaqar-team-meeting.ics | 14:18 |
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| flwang1 | haaaalloooo | 14:59 |
| ryansb | \o | 14:59 |
| vkmc_ | hey heeey | 14:59 |
| Eva-i | hello | 14:59 |
| Eva-i | Let's go to the meeting room | 14:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Fei Long Wang proposed openstack/python-zaqarclient: Fix wrong api version type https://review.openstack.org/267906 | 15:10 |
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| ryansb | flwang1: not meeting related, but if you want to take a final look over https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/call-for-speakers/manage/7096/speakers I'm ready to submit it | 15:53 |
| flwang1 | ryansb: i did, go for it :) thanks | 15:54 |
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| flwang1 | i'm running to bed, ttyl, guys | 16:00 |
| Eva-i | flwang1: see you | 16:00 |
| ryansb | night, flwang1 | 16:00 |
| ryansb | vkmc_: I'm going to go ahead and submit that talk. That ok with you? | 16:00 |
| vkmc_ | sure thing :) | 16:01 |
| Eva-i | I'm still thinking about pool/flavor PUT. Seems like the way PUT method is implemented in Zaqar is good. Maybe instead of modifying PUT method, we should introduce POST method? =) | 16:01 |
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| ryansb | Eva-i: so you're saying keep the current PUT behavior, but add a POST endpoint that will raise conflicts when creating a duplicate-named queue | 16:02 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: exactly | 16:02 |
| Eva-i | This would be backward-compatible and the problem would be solved. The user who is concerned about not overwriting existing resources, would just use POST method instead of PUT. | 16:03 |
| ryansb | Eva-i: can you make a spec for it? I'd like to give folks a chance to comment. Sounds like a good idea to me | 16:03 |
| ryansb | big thing there would be documenting the difference between the two so users know why they would use one or the other | 16:03 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: I think it would be pretty easy to document. | 16:05 |
| ryansb | yeah, just saying we'd have to make it really obvious for users | 16:06 |
| ryansb | flwang1: vkmc_ : sent proposal, now we wait | 16:09 |
| vkmc_ | yaaay | 16:10 |
| vkmc_ | thanks ryansb | 16:10 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: okay, I'll make a spec. If it will be approved, it would be a bit sad, because mdnadeem put much effort into spec about PUT method improvement. He even wrote two patches for it. | 16:10 |
| ryansb | should have a confirmation email in your inbox | 16:11 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: you are going to be speaker on the summit? | 16:12 |
| ryansb | Eva-i: flwang&vkmc&I are proposing a talk, so we hope to be | 16:13 |
| ryansb | I don't think we'll hear back for a month or so | 16:13 |
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| Eva-i | I thought we're allowed to modify API v2, I thought we haven't released it officially and declared as stable. | 17:19 |
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| flwang | Eva-i: i don't know why you always believe v2 is not 'stable' | 20:33 |
| flwang | there is issue doesn't mean it's not stable, make sense? | 20:33 |
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| flwang | vkmc: ping re the GSoC | 20:41 |
| vkmc | flwang, pong | 20:46 |
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| flwang | vkmc: will you be one of the mentors of GSoC? | 20:52 |
| flwang | represent Zaqar, i mean | 20:53 |
| vkmc | flwang, I postulated but I don't know if we are going to make it | 20:53 |
| vkmc | flwang, just want to encourage others to apply as well :) | 20:53 |
| flwang | otherwise, we really need another awesome intern from GSoC like Eva-i ;) | 20:53 |
| vkmc | indeed | 20:53 |
| vkmc | crossing fingers to get lucky again | 20:53 |
| flwang | vkmc: i can do that if there is space :) | 20:54 |
| vkmc | flwang, sure! jump in here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GSoC2016 | 20:54 |
| vkmc | and if you have any development idea, add it here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Internship_ideas | 20:54 |
| flwang | vkmc: Zaqar - Implement support for binary data in the websocket transport is being implemented by Eva-i :) | 21:03 |
| vkmc | yeah, it has the date at the bottom | 21:04 |
| vkmc | we have to clean that up | 21:05 |
| flwang | vkmc: cool, i will add myself :) | 21:08 |
| vkmc | great | 21:08 |
| flwang | vkmc: thanks for driving this | 21:08 |
| Eva-i | flwang: good morning. I just made a mistake. When I was editing wiki page, I asked someone if API v2 is stable or not, I don't remember who. I got the answer "unstable" and edited wiki page accordingly. You and vkmc approved new wiki and after this I started to really believe that API v2 is unstable. | 21:09 |
| Eva-i | For me unstable doesn't means issues. It's just a word telling the users that something still can be changed in API in a backward-incompatible way. | 21:09 |
| Eva-i | *doesn't mean | 21:09 |
| flwang | Eva-i: pls let me know the wiki link | 21:10 |
| Eva-i | Also, if we merge this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273931/, it would be backward-incompatible change for our API v1.1 and API v2 | 21:10 |
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| flwang | 'unstable' is a horrible word for operation guys | 21:10 |
| Eva-i | flwang: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zaqar see Zaqar RESTful API Specs | 21:11 |
| flwang | Eva-i: you mean the rename from pool to pool_group? | 21:11 |
| Eva-i | flwang: yes | 21:12 |
| flwang | yep, it does, but i would like to fix it since it's really really confused | 21:12 |
| Eva-i | flwang: yes, I find it very confusing too =) | 21:13 |
| flwang | Eva-i: i'm not aware if there is a clear guide for the api change, so we generally discuss them case by case | 21:13 |
| Eva-i | flwang: there is http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/evaluating_api_changes.html | 21:13 |
| flwang | if it's bug, a really issue, then we should fix it | 21:13 |
| Eva-i | flwang: there is also a chat dedicated for discussing openstack APIs somewhere | 21:14 |
| flwang | good link | 21:14 |
| flwang | i will review it | 21:14 |
| flwang | back to the change pool -> pool-group | 21:15 |
| flwang | it needs to be fix, but I don't mind a vote :) | 21:15 |
| Eva-i | I guess, the most right decision is to make API v3. But, as you said, there's not much users of Zaqar now. If not much people are relying on Zaqar API, the change can be made, I guess. But flaper87 would be sad. =) | 21:17 |
| Eva-i | *there are not much users | 21:18 |
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| flwang | Eva-i: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | 21:18 |
| flwang | pls don't mention v3 | 21:18 |
| Eva-i | flwang: :o | 21:19 |
| flwang | hah | 21:19 |
| Eva-i | flwang: okay, okay, calm down =) | 21:19 |
| flwang | in glance, we released v3 even v2 hasn't been adopted by Nova | 21:20 |
| flwang | it's not a good practice and i don't want to see it in Zaqar | 21:20 |
| Eva-i | flwang: I agree, it's not good to do it now. But next time, if we will ever be working on the next version, we better test it thoroughly before declaring it as officially released. | 21:24 |
| flwang | haha | 21:30 |
| flwang | Eva-i: it's like a words from new graduate | 21:30 |
| Eva-i | =) | 21:30 |
| flwang | Eva-i: even a software of rocket, there is bug, agree? | 21:31 |
| flwang | so my point is you can't guarantee a bug-free software | 21:31 |
| Eva-i | flwang: yes | 21:34 |
| Eva-i | flwang: here's lovely bug for you https://bugs.launchpad.net/zaqar/+bug/1540598 | 21:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1540598 in zaqar "Subscription operations return wrong status codes when there are no pools." [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Eva Balycheva (ubershy) | 21:36 |
| ryansb | hehe, that'd be a good t-shirt "Certified, artisanal software: 100% bug-free" | 21:37 |
| flwang | ryansb: if you made one, i will buy it :) | 21:38 |
| flwang | Eva-i: as for bug/1540598, how can you create the subscription if there is no queue | 21:40 |
| Eva-i | flwang: see this: "create request returns 409 code". Seems like someone was able to do so. =) | 21:41 |
| flwang | Eva-i: ok, i will take a look | 21:41 |
| flwang | vkmc: can you help review https://review.openstack.org/253731 and https://review.openstack.org/265663 ? | 21:42 |
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| therve | flwang, I was wondering when we could get a zaqarclient release | 22:52 |
| therve | There is at least one feature I'd like to rely on | 22:52 |
| flwang | therve: i would like to do that after the claim v2 and pre-signed url patches merged | 22:52 |
| flwang | (10:42:31) flwang: vkmc: can you help review https://review.openstack.org/253731 and https://review.openstack.org/265663 ? | 22:52 |
| flwang | flaper87: can you help do that? ^^ | 22:52 |
| therve | flwang, Cool sounds good | 22:52 |
| flwang | therve: what's the feature you're interested in? | 22:53 |
| flwang | pre-signed url? | 22:53 |
| therve | flwang, Yep | 22:53 |
| Eva-i | therve: hello, have you received my email about websocket notifications? | 22:53 |
| flwang | therve: if you can +1 on the patch, it could be speeded up :) | 22:53 |
| therve | Eva-i, I did receive it! I even starred it, but it went over my head in the week-end | 22:54 |
| therve | Eva-i, Do you have some time to chat about it now? | 22:54 |
| Eva-i | therve: yes, I would like to =) | 22:55 |
| therve | Eva-i, So, can you explain what's your proposed solution? | 22:55 |
| therve | I think it has a flaw, but I want to be sure I understand it | 22:55 |
| flwang | and i'm around to eavesdrop the secret solution :) | 22:58 |
| Eva-i | therve: my proposal is to make Zaqar send websocket notifications directly, without sending them first as http requests and listening to them. | 22:58 |
| therve | Eva-i, Right, so the problem here is that it works if you only have one Zaqar process | 22:58 |
| Eva-i | therve: I haven't figured out details, if it's possible or not. That's why I emailed you and asked, why have you implemented it that way it is now. | 22:59 |
| therve | Eva-i, But any non-trivial deployment will have a cluster of load-balanced wsgi process | 22:59 |
| therve | One websocket connection will only be on one server, but we want to received notifications from every other nodes | 22:59 |
| therve | (Note that I haven't tested it, so it's mostly theoretical, but it should work) | 23:00 |
| therve | Eva-i, Even in the devstack deployment, websockets are connected to one process, but can receive notifications from the wsgi process | 23:01 |
| therve | So you can send them "directly" | 23:01 |
| therve | So you *can't* send them "directly" | 23:01 |
| Eva-i | therve: aha, I understand now what is the problem. I'll think about it. | 23:02 |
| therve | OK cool. Don't hesitate if you have other questions | 23:03 |
| * therve off | 23:03 | |
| Eva-i | therve: thank you! | 23:03 |
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| Eva-i | flwang: how do you think, maybe it's better not to catch this error https://github.com/openstack/python-zaqarclient/blob/master/zaqarclient/queues/v2/subscription.py#L55 and allow the user to handle this situation? | 23:29 |
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