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| VW | what's up, party people! | 18:00 |
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| jamesmcarthur | o/ | 18:00 |
| VW | #startmeeting uc | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 5 18:00:58 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is VW. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'uc' | 18:01 |
| VW | #chair zioproto | 18:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: VW zioproto | 18:01 |
| VW | Looks like light attendance, but just to be sure | 18:01 |
| VW | #topic roll call | 18:01 |
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| VW | looks like it may just be me and you jamesmcarthur | 18:03 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 18:03 |
| VW | woo hoo - we summoned a Melvin | 18:04 |
| mrhillsman | sorry so late | 18:04 |
| VW | #chair mrhillsman | 18:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: VW mrhillsman zioproto | 18:04 |
| VW | agenda is here #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee#Meeting_Agenda.2FPrevious_Meeting_Logs | 18:05 |
| VW | #topic Update on Election Process | 18:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Update on Election Process (Meeting topic: uc)" | 18:06 | |
| jamesmcarthur | So far, I don't think we have any candidates. | 18:06 |
| VW | yeah :( | 18:06 |
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| mrhillsman | i will get my nomination in later today; in the morning at the latest | 18:07 |
| VW | awesome! thanks mrhillsman | 18:07 |
| jamesmcarthur | woot! | 18:07 |
| leong | o/ hi all | 18:07 |
| jamesmcarthur | leong: hello! | 18:08 |
| VW | hello leong | 18:08 |
| mrhillsman | hey leong | 18:08 |
| VW | Ok - I didn't see a reminder email go out either | 18:08 |
| VW | so, it sounds like we need to get one of those out and tweet the UC article | 18:09 |
| mrhillsman | i sent one later in the week i think iirc | 18:09 |
| VW | did you - sorry | 18:09 |
| mrhillsman | but yes, we need one, and the twitter push as well ;) | 18:09 |
| * VW missed it | 18:09 | |
| VW | #action mrhillsman VW zioproto tweet UC article | 18:09 |
| jamesmcarthur | I'll ping Anne/Allison re: Twitter/social. It's already on their radar, so I think they're anticipating. | 18:10 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 18:10 |
| VW | excellent! | 18:10 |
| VW | thanks jamesmcarthur | 18:10 |
| VW | anything else election related at this time? | 18:10 |
| jamesmcarthur | I do need some help getting SIG list together to add to the electorate list | 18:12 |
| jamesmcarthur | Should be a quick thing, but if anyone knows how to gather that info, would be great. | 18:12 |
| leong | i assume that we have the updated AUC list? | 18:12 |
| mrhillsman | should we send an email to the SIG leaders jamesmcarthur ? | 18:13 |
| VW | hmm - I am admittedly behind on the SIGs | 18:13 |
| jamesmcarthur | leong: yes, everything except the SIG attendees | 18:13 |
| mrhillsman | we should probably send a reminder late in the evening US time too for non-US folks :) | 18:13 |
| jamesmcarthur | mrhillsman: that would be great. Or if you have the SIG leader list, I'm happy to reach out. | 18:13 |
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| VW | I have a lot of quesitons about SIG in relation to AUC, but maybe that's a good conversation to have while some of us are in the same place at PTG | 18:15 |
| jamesmcarthur | +1 | 18:16 |
| VW | However, if we are saying that all SIG members are AUC, and therefor eligible to run and/or vote, I think we are also implying UC governance over them - imo | 18:16 |
| Ender948 | yeah, I see what you are saying | 18:16 |
| jamesmcarthur | yeah VW, I don't think SIGs are specifically outlined as part of the electorate/AUC. | 18:17 |
| jamesmcarthur | Maybe SIG leaders? | 18:17 |
| VW | not sure | 18:17 |
| jamesmcarthur | But if it's not in existing governance, we can't let them vote. | 18:17 |
| VW | but, on the flip side, does participation in SIG's by Operators/users satisfy the AUC requirements | 18:18 |
| leong | that might lead some confusion? is SIG between UC/TC? | 18:18 |
| Ender948 | we could try it for a short period of time | 18:18 |
| mrhillsman | SIGs have developers and non-developers | 18:19 |
| mrhillsman | so some folks within a SIG could be and not be AUC | 18:19 |
| leong | #link SIG https://governance.openstack.org/sigs/ | 18:20 |
| VW | Well, to jamesmcarthur's immediate needs, I think we should get him a list of SIG leaders. Then he can email them, show them the criteria of AUC and ask for them to send back list of members that qualify? | 18:20 |
| mrhillsman | but yes, we should discuss during PTG, maybe even before but right now it is very loosly governed still | 18:20 |
| leong | As quoted: The OpenStack SIGs (Special Interest Groups) are a form of working group in OpenStack that is an emanation of the community as a whole and "is not directly tied to a specific governance body." | 18:20 |
| mrhillsman | ++ VW | 18:20 |
| VW | then we at least solve the immediate need of getting eligible voters accounted for | 18:20 |
| leong | "is not directly tied to a specific governance body." | 18:20 |
| Ender948 | yeah, that is trye | 18:21 |
| Ender948 | *ture | 18:21 |
| leong | question: does that mean SIG will lose voting rights? | 18:21 |
| Ender948 | *true | 18:21 |
| jamesmcarthur | VW: If someone in a SIG is already qualified under one of the other criteria, we should already have them. The only question to me would be does leading or participating in a SIG itself qualify them as an AUC. And it soujnds like the answer is no. | 18:22 |
| VW | I think the more accurate answer is we don't know | 18:23 |
| VW | or haven't though of that scenario | 18:23 |
| Ender948 | I am on the fence | 18:23 |
| VW | so, maybe we take a posture of no now, and clarify SIG participation in relation to AUC | 18:24 |
| VW | I'd rather expand voting rights going forward versus saying yes today and no tomororw | 18:24 |
| leong | jamesmcarthur: maybe this is something that need to discuss long term: i assume eventually most WG/Team are moving towards SIG, so the "other criteria" might eventually "shifted away" | 18:24 |
| VW | Ok - so we clearly have some work to do going forward around this | 18:26 |
| leong | i am leaning towards to include SIG leaders + participants as AUC | 18:26 |
| VW | for this election, do we take any specific action? | 18:26 |
| leong | maybe for this election, we should stick to existing criteria and do not include SIG as this wasn't communicated before? | 18:27 |
| mrhillsman | we can do SIGs that were previously UC WG or Team | 18:28 |
| leong | those previously UC WG/Team should already covered in the existing criteria | 18:28 |
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| jamesmcarthur | leong: correct | 18:29 |
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| VW | argh - home internet barfed | 18:30 |
| VW | sorry about that | 18:30 |
| jamesmcarthur | since we switched to SIGs kind of mid-cycle, I think we should already have accounted for those AUCs that were previously in WGs | 18:30 |
| VW | good point | 18:31 |
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| VW | we don't even really have a quorum to vote on anything either I suppose with just two UC members | 18:33 |
| mrhillsman | nope | 18:34 |
| mrhillsman | agree with you jamesmcarthur | 18:35 |
| VW | well, then for now, I say we leave things as is, but we still have time to revisit next week if we feel we are missing a large part of the electorate | 18:35 |
| VW | but this does shed light on the need for a formal position of the UC in relation to SIGS (at least for purposes of AUC) going forward - especially as we think about a multi-project world | 18:36 |
| VW | shall we move on for now? | 18:36 |
| VW | or do we have more to discuss here | 18:37 |
| jamesmcarthur | yes sir - writing this down for part of our PTG agenda :) | 18:37 |
| mrhillsman | thx jamesmcarthur | 18:37 |
| VW | indeed | 18:37 |
| VW | which we'll get to that in a minute | 18:38 |
| VW | #topic Release Cycle Involvement | 18:38 |
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| VW | so, moving down the agenda, we added this last week | 18:38 |
| VW | but I don't recall the context now | 18:38 |
| VW | nor, do I know if we have enough to discuss | 18:39 |
| VW | I know zioproto was very passionate about it | 18:39 |
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| VW | mrhillsman thoughts? | 18:40 |
| jamesmcarthur | VW: notes from last weeK: can we target a set of operators from different industry size and type to see if we can get specific feedback around release cycles and upgrades? | 18:41 |
| mrhillsman | yes, i think we can hold off for now because zioproto was primarily passionate about it | 18:41 |
| jamesmcarthur | (from mrhillsman) | 18:41 |
| mrhillsman | yep, we have that in google docs | 18:41 |
| mrhillsman | i think we agreed to a mini-survey? | 18:41 |
| VW | cool | 18:41 |
| VW | #action mrhillsman VW get the rest of the UC to flesh out thoughts around user mini-survey in Google doc | 18:42 |
| VW | and I'll put this on the agenda for next week too | 18:42 |
| VW | Time check - we have 17 minutes. | 18:44 |
| jamesmcarthur | topic change? | 18:44 |
| VW | yes - I propose we skip the mid-cycle one this week | 18:45 |
| VW | not much new to report | 18:45 |
| VW | mrhillsman: agree? | 18:45 |
| jamesmcarthur | Only small thing I'd add is Anne Bertucio from the Foundation will be in Japan to take feedback/represent | 18:46 |
| VW | nice! | 18:46 |
| * VW needs to remember to let the Ops meetup teams know | 18:46 | |
| jamesmcarthur | I'll be on that meeting as well, so happy to update in case you forget :) | 18:46 |
| VW | sweet! | 18:46 |
| mrhillsman | agreed | 18:46 |
| VW | #topic UC planning at PTG | 18:46 |
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| VW | so, for the record, I have tickets booked | 18:47 |
| mrhillsman | same | 18:47 |
| VW | that makes mrhillsman and I who will both be in person | 18:47 |
| VW | haven't heard the final on Shamail | 18:47 |
| mrhillsman | shamail is waiting on travel support too last i heard | 18:47 |
| jamesmcarthur | Alan Clark also wants to join in to that meeting. | 18:47 |
| mrhillsman | leong will not make it | 18:47 |
| VW | :( | 18:47 |
| mrhillsman | that would be awesome jamesmcarthur | 18:47 |
| jamesmcarthur | specifically to discuss Product Working Group future | 18:48 |
| VW | cool | 18:48 |
| VW | I'm pretty much planning for all of Tuesday and Wednesday to be UC related stuff | 18:48 |
| VW | whether formal sessions or something else | 18:48 |
| jamesmcarthur | My concern is we won't have a quorum. I asked Saverio if he could join via Zoom. We might be able to do the same for some of our newly elected members | 18:48 |
| VW | agreed | 18:48 |
| mrhillsman | we should have new UC folks by then though :) | 18:49 |
| VW | we should plan on some afternoon sessions with zoom/other virtual optoins | 18:49 |
| mrhillsman | sorry, did not read full sentence before responding | 18:49 |
| mrhillsman | even if we do not have quorum i think we can within the couple days get a decision | 18:49 |
| VW | agreed | 18:49 |
| VW | also, just so you folks know. I'll be getting in Saturday because the flights were much cheaper | 18:50 |
| VW | so, I have time to pre-plan during the weekend | 18:50 |
| jamesmcarthur | same | 18:50 |
| VW | cool | 18:51 |
| jamesmcarthur | Could we circulate a rough agenda via email? | 18:51 |
| VW | I think so | 18:51 |
| VW | or build one out in the doc | 18:51 |
| VW | ? | 18:51 |
| jamesmcarthur | Would be nice to have something we can publish to etherpad b/f Dublin | 18:51 |
| jamesmcarthur | yep -that works too :) | 18:51 |
| VW | #action VW mrhillsman zioproto jamesmcarthur build rough schedule for UC conversations at PTG in Google doc | 18:52 |
| VW | cool - we'll revisit this the next couple of Mondays too | 18:52 |
| VW | so to honor whoever added it to the agenda | 18:53 |
| VW | #topic Meetings on 1st, 2nd, 3rd...vs Even/Odd | 18:53 |
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| mrhillsman | we could start to circulate next Monday? | 18:53 |
| mrhillsman | sorry | 18:53 |
| mrhillsman | ok | 18:53 |
| mrhillsman | yes, i put this one | 18:53 |
| mrhillsman | just seems a little odd trying to figure even/odd | 18:53 |
| VW | so, be more specific - 1st, 3rd, 5th Monday is X time and 2nd, 4th is Y? | 18:54 |
| mrhillsman | seems it would be easier to just say 1 and 3 - 1800 UTC, 2 and 4 - 1400UTC | 18:54 |
| mrhillsman | yes, 1 3 5 sorry | 18:54 |
| mrhillsman | less brain cycles | 18:55 |
| VW | good with me | 18:55 |
| VW | looking for where we have odd/even written down | 18:55 |
| mrhillsman | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/ | 18:56 |
| mrhillsman | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#User_Committee_Meeting | 18:56 |
| mrhillsman | we do not have quorum to decide so it is ok | 18:57 |
| VW | Ok - well, it's just a wording change | 18:58 |
| VW | but I agree | 18:58 |
| VW | we'll bring it up next week to get a formal vote | 18:58 |
| VW | with that, I think we are at time | 18:59 |
| jamesmcarthur | thanks all! | 18:59 |
| VW | thanks to all those who made it today | 18:59 |
| VW | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 5 19:00:07 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2018/uc.2018-02-05-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2018/uc.2018-02-05-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2018/uc.2018-02-05-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
| mrhillsman | thx gents! | 19:00 |
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| jamesmcarthur | I updated the OpenStackUC 2018 Strategy doc to include some potential PTG discussion topics based on the past couple of UC Meetings | 22:38 |
| jamesmcarthur | There is some overlap b/w our 2018 strategy goals, but I didn't want to muddy the waters by merging them | 22:39 |
| jamesmcarthur | Feel free to do what you will with all that :) | 22:39 |
| jamesmcarthur | MVW mrhillsman ^^ | 22:42 |
| mrhillsman | thx jamesmcarthur | 22:45 |
| mrhillsman | Will review shortly ;) | 22:45 |
| VW | awesome - thanks jamesmcarthur | 22:49 |
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