Thursday, 2019-05-09

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dangtrinhntlxkong, zhurong, rafaelweingartne, engel75 are you here for the meeting?01:58
lxkong^^01:58
dangtrinhntawesome01:59
dangtrinhntzhurong_phone01:59
engel75hi02:00
zhurong_phoneI am here02:00
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zhurong_phonehi02:00
dangtrinhntokie02:00
dangtrinhntlet's start it!!!02:00
dangtrinhnt#startmeeting openstack telemetry02:00
rafaelweingartneHello guys02:00
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engel75hi all02:00
dangtrinhntokie, we have 5 people, it's good :)02:00
lxkongsuch a big team02:00
dangtrinhntSo please follow the meeting agenda using this etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/telemetry-meeting-agenda02:01
dangtrinhnt#topic Finalize the core team & active contributors02:01
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zhurong_phoneshaoman is on our internel meeting, so he can't attend02:03
dangtrinhntSo now besides lxkong, zhurong_phone, we have Adrian Turjak is interested in being the core and contribute02:03
dangtrinhntI may send an nomination email after this meeting.02:03
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dangtrinhntSo rafaelweingartne, engel75, I know you guys just involve in OpenStack recently (?), I may ask would you like to contribute to Telemetry?02:04
lxkongadrian will join shortly02:04
adrianto/02:04
dangtrinhntadriant hi02:04
lxkongah, so quick, adriant02:04
rafaelweingartnedangtrinhnt: yes, we would love to02:05
dangtrinhntrafaelweingartne, engel75 you don't have to take the core team but your input and code contribution would be precious for us.02:05
rafaelweingartneI mean, that is what we intent to, and that is why we asked about the event system deprecation02:05
engel75I am not a developer at all but rafael will contribute in the near future02:05
dangtrinhntThat's awesome. Thanks rafaelweingartne02:05
dangtrinhntengel75, np02:05
rafaelweingartneengel75 is an operator, so I see his inputs as very valuable providing the use cases that we design and implement02:06
dangtrinhntengel75, rafaelweingartne, awesome, we absolutely need use cases!!! :)02:06
engel75yes I will try to provide input from our priduction experiences02:07
engel75yes I will try to provide input from our production experiences02:07
dangtrinhntThanks!02:07
dangtrinhntok, I guess we can move to the next topic, any questions/idea?02:08
dangtrinhntlxkong, zhurong_phone02:08
dangtrinhnt?02:08
lxkonggo ahead02:08
dangtrinhntcool02:08
dangtrinhnt#topic Meeting time for non-APAC contributors02:08
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dangtrinhntIn our next poll about the time for team meeting, we missed out the non-APAC contributors. Part of it was the polling time is during the holiday and summit so those guys didnot have a chance to vote.02:10
dangtrinhntSo, I suggest we made a time change so the developers/operators in the US/EU region could join.02:10
dangtrinhntAny suggestion?02:10
dangtrinhntrafaelweingartne and engel75 are also suffered. It's 4AM their time.02:11
zhurong_phoneohh...02:11
engel75no rafael is from Brazil02:11
dangtrinhntRight, rafaelweingartne, engel75?02:11
rafaelweingartneactually, 23:00 PM on my time02:11
lxkongi am going to ask do we already know if there are people from non-APAC intereated in contributing ceilometer...02:11
engel75My time zone is GMT+202:12
dangtrinhntyes, like mrunge02:12
engel75so 4:12 now :)02:12
dangtrinhnta couple developers emailed me02:12
dangtrinhntlxkong02:12
lxkongok, that's great02:12
dangtrinhntengel75, :)02:12
dangtrinhntso, ok, I will send out an email asking for time change after this meeting.02:13
engel75but I will not be able to attend that often anyway02:13
zhurong_phonecan we set another poll for this02:13
dangtrinhntzhurong_phone, sure02:13
dangtrinhntengel75, no worries, there are still a couple US-based guys02:14
dangtrinhntok, should we move on?02:14
zhurong_phoneI think so02:14
dangtrinhnt#topic Moving telemetry bug tracker to Storyboard: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/651963/02:14
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dangtrinhntIt supposed to finish the last couple weeks but due to the summit, it's delayed.02:15
dangtrinhntSo I'm trying to push it.02:15
lxkongdangtrinhnt: thanks for that02:15
engel75yes thank you02:15
dangtrinhntAfter the migration is done, we could go through the stories and maybe set aside sometime for bug triage, I guess.02:16
dangtrinhntI think there's not much to talk about this. so let's move to the next topic02:16
engel75ok02:16
dangtrinhnt#topic Train-1 milestone targets (Jun 03 - Jun 07)02:16
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dangtrinhnt#link https://releases.openstack.org/train/schedule.html02:17
dangtrinhntFYI, we will reach Train-1 soon :)02:17
dangtrinhntI would love to set some goals even small ones02:17
dangtrinhntSo what do you think you would want to accomplish at that milestone?02:18
dangtrinhntlxkong, zhurong_phone, rafaelweingartne, engel7502:18
lxkongdangtrinhnt: on aodh side, i will try to finish the auto-healing before T-102:18
engel75would a statement about the event_subsystem be a valid candidate?02:18
dangtrinhntlxkong, awesome.02:18
rafaelweingartneWhat about a community decision regarding the event subsystem deprecation? And maybe some new poller or something (if we decide to keep the system)?02:19
lxkongthe last part is the notifier02:19
dangtrinhntengel75, given the amount of time left, I would put that into Train-202:19
lxkongdo we have other options for now to replace the event_subsystem?02:19
engel75may I ask why it has to be replaced?02:20
zhurong_phonecontainer metrics and switch oslo.privileps02:20
dangtrinhntrafaelweingartne, but if you think you can make it on time, we could consider that02:20
lxkongi don't know the history of it's deprecation, if there is not good reason in the current situation, we could get it back02:20
dangtrinhntengel75, I think what lxkong means is an alternative02:20
lxkongwe are also using the notification for billing02:21
lxkongadriant ^^02:21
engel75as we do02:21
engel75together with the pollers02:21
dangtrinhntengel75, part of it was the feature is never finished02:21
adriantthe notification samples are the only way to get accurate samples02:21
adriantfor when a resource is created or deleted02:22
lxkongagree02:22
adriantpolling is useful, but it will always be behind02:22
engel75it will02:22
adriantand even means if a resource is only active within the polling period, we can't bill it02:22
engel75a combination is the way to go imho02:22
adriantsince the pollster will miss it02:22
lxkongso if there is no good candidate option, we could considering bringing that back and remove the deprecation msg.02:22
rafaelweingartnelxkong: the reason we got was that people wanted to shrink the code. However, there was not a clear picture of the benefits and good alternatives in place.02:23
dangtrinhntengel75, rafaelweingartne, adriant, lxkong, https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/commit/8a0245a5b3e1357d35ad6653be37ca01176577e402:23
dangtrinhntso I guess the next topic will be discussed now02:23
rafaelweingartneyes02:23
dangtrinhntok, so again, I would like to set the targets for Train-1 milestone02:24
lxkongrafaelweingartne: does the current behavior satisfy your requirement?02:24
lxkongif not, could you please create a story after we have storyboard, and we could discuss how to improve there02:25
engel75in our environment some nofitications are "missed" that's why we use the pollsters to make sure to get all resources02:25
rafaelweingartneyes it does, but we will need to add/extend a few things to fully deliver what we need. engel75 is more suitable to present the use cases.02:25
engel75by "our" I mean rafaelweingartne and mine02:25
rafaelweingartneThere are these issues for instance, but the idea is to work to fix them02:25
dangtrinhntlxkong, rafaelweingartne, engel75 so you want us to have it in Train-1?02:26
engel75would be great - at least a statement?02:26
rafaelweingartneDo you mean a statement regarding the deprecation?02:26
lxkongi'm not sure things will be clear before T-1, but let's be pessimistic and make it for T-202:26
engel75to show it is maintained again02:26
dangtrinhntlxkong, +102:27
rafaelweingartnestatement, or a decision regarding the deprecation02:27
engel75ok02:27
dangtrinhntengel75, it could be right after this meeting02:27
engel75ok great02:27
dangtrinhntengel75, rafaelweingartne, like lxkong suggested, finish the feature in T-2, but announce it at T-1, ok?02:27
engel75perfect02:28
engel75+102:28
dangtrinhntawesome, anything else?\02:28
dangtrinhntadriant, zhurong_phone, lxkong?02:28
lxkongdangtrinhnt: not sure if you missed the task zhurong_phone mentioned just now02:28
dangtrinhntput it on the etherpad already02:28
dangtrinhnthttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/telemetry-meeting-agenda02:29
lxkonggood :-)02:29
dangtrinhnt:)02:29
adriantdangtrinhnt: there was some issues around a cumulative cpu usage feature lxkong was using that is now gone02:29
rafaelweingartneI would just like to clarify what you mean by feature, dangtrinhnt. Do you mean a statement regarding the event system? Or, a proposal of an actual new feature in Ceilometer regarding the event system?02:29
zhurong_phonethanks dangtrinhnt02:29
dangtrinhntadriant, cpu_util?02:29
adriantyeah, based on the transformer02:30
adriantwhich was removed02:30
dangtrinhntrafaelweingartne, I mean making it work02:30
lxkongyeah, cpu_util, there are some people asking for that02:30
adriantit is needed for autoscaling02:30
lxkongor for an alternative02:30
adriant^02:30
rafaelweingartnedangtrinhnt, ah. Sure, got it.02:30
dangtrinhnt rafaelweingartne, :)02:30
zhurong_phonenow in function test, using cpu :()02:30
adriantthe feature was removed because it was meant to be able to be queried from gnocchi but lxkong has said he can't figure out how to get the same type of numbers/data02:31
lxkongand i failed to manage to get any useful suggestion from Gnocchi team.02:32
dangtrinhntadriant, lxkong, zhurong_phone, gnocchi is out of our hands so I guess we can either bring it back to OpenStack and maintain it ourselves02:32
lxkongi have a feeling we may bring that back if there are a lot more people asking for that02:32
lxkongas a short term plan02:32
engel75yes we should try that!02:32
dangtrinhntlxkong, let's create a discussion on the ML02:33
zhurong_phonewe also want to bring ceilometer api back02:33
lxkongi hope there could be some people jump out and say: it's very easy to achieve that in Gnocchi :-)02:33
rafaelweingartnebut, this process(Gnocchi) would take some bureaucratic steps to re-introduce the project to OpenStack foundation, right?02:33
adriantzhurong_phone: potentially, maybe even as just a wrapper around gnocchi02:33
dangtrinhntokie guys, way back into love :)02:34
rafaelweingartnewhich means that it is something for a medium/long term plan02:34
dangtrinhntrafaelweingartne, sure02:34
dangtrinhntthat could be possible02:34
dangtrinhntif we can find some champion taking care of it02:34
dangtrinhntotherwise it could properly be a burden in the future02:35
lxkongdangtrinhnt: let's discuss in mailing list first, see if there is an easy answer02:35
engel75I don't see any alternative to gnocchi right now02:35
dangtrinhntlxkong, +102:36
lxkongengel75: are you using Gnocchi now?02:36
engel75lxkong, +102:36
engel75yes02:36
lxkongor plan to use that in the near future02:36
lxkongok02:36
engel75in production02:36
dangtrinhntengel75, awesome02:36
engel75it scales very well02:36
engel75on SSDs...02:36
dangtrinhntengel75, you can help lxkong on the cpu_util02:36
dangtrinhnt:)02:37
engel75I need to get it explained but yes I can try to02:37
engel75please send me an email after the meeting02:37
lxkongengel75: thanks, please reply the email after you see that02:37
engel75sure02:37
dangtrinhntengel75, if you can, please cc the openstack-discuss ML as well so others can follow02:38
engel75ok will do so02:38
dangtrinhntwith [telemetry] prefix :)02:38
dangtrinhntengel75, great thanks02:38
dangtrinhntok, anything else?02:38
dangtrinhntzhurong_phone, adriant?02:39
zhurong_phonenup02:39
adriantall good :)02:39
dangtrinhntok02:39
dangtrinhnt#topic Telemetry roadmap cont. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/telemetry-train-roadmap02:40
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dangtrinhntok, I guess we have Train-1 targets02:40
dangtrinhntbut I also would love to discuss our big plan for Train, AKA, the Roadmap02:40
adriantdangtrinhnt: sorry just remembered,  there may be some missing pollsters we can add, such as those for Magnum and I think there are some missing ones for Octavia02:41
dangtrinhntah, okie02:41
rafaelweingartneadriant: we have been discussing that02:41
rafaelweingartneand will probably implement it02:41
adriantwould be good to do a general overview of what services are missing pollsters/event watching02:41
dangtrinhntadriant, so when do you think we can have those features?02:41
engel75yes we are happy to help with those pollsters02:41
dangtrinhntrafaelweingartne, enge75, great02:41
lxkongi suggest we begin with the ones we care about, e.g. for us the Magnum and Octavia02:42
dangtrinhntlxkong, +102:43
rafaelweingartnelxkong, +102:43
dangtrinhntadriant, lxkong, what timeline do you think is doable for those?02:43
zhurong_phone+102:43
lxkongT-2 or T-3, adriant?02:43
adriantprobably yeah02:44
lxkongshould be an easy one because we already have that in our production02:44
adriantI don't know how much I can dedicate to telemetry for code work, but would gladly code review02:44
dangtrinhntadriant, lxkong, how were those pieces of code licenced? I would avoid any commercial licenced code02:45
dangtrinhntadriant, it's great as well.02:45
rafaelweingartnelxkong: also, do you have it in Stein or Rocky release?02:45
lxkongdangtrinhnt: don't worry, all apache 2.0 :-)02:46
lxkongrafaelweingartne: no, we are using a very old version ceilometer02:46
dangtrinhntlxkong, awesome!02:46
engel75lxkong, would you mind sharing your extensions regarding those pollsters?02:46
* adriant is looking at our patch for magnum pollster now02:46
dangtrinhntrafaelweingartne, engel75, we have 14m left, I guess lxkong and adriant can propose some patches for review02:46
engel75we have to introduce a Octavia pollsters the next couple of weeks02:46
rafaelweingartnelxkong: so there would be an effort to push forward the code (if the structure/design of the code has changed over time)02:47
lxkongi will see if i could submit those code in T for review02:47
adriantnot very much code, but yes, easy to share and get working for newer versions of ceilometer02:47
rafaelweingartnecool02:47
dangtrinhntguys, awesome!02:47
lxkongdangtrinhnt: please make it for T-3 and allocate magnum pollster task to me02:47
engel75so regarding the roadmap in the long term - we should align with cloudkitty?02:48
dangtrinhntlxkong, adriant, engel75, rafaelweingartne, \m/ rock!02:48
engel75minute based billing :)02:48
dangtrinhntengel75, could be possible02:49
dangtrinhntfor that, I would send an discussion email to the ML and let figure that out, I will put that as an option02:49
engel75we just have to make sure not event is missed or if one is missed there is some sort of pollster to get it after a couple of seconds02:49
engel75ok02:49
dangtrinhnt+102:49
dangtrinhntok, 10m left02:50
dangtrinhntso for the roadmap, do you think puting back some features that have use cases a possible option?02:50
rafaelweingartneI would say so02:51
dangtrinhntlxkong, zhurong_phone, adriant, rafaelweingartne, engel7502:51
lxkongyep, if that's the best option we have at the moment02:51
rafaelweingartneI would also say that we need a clear perspective on how we handle things. For instance, what can be deprecated and removed? broken features, features with a clear and better alternatives, and so on02:51
adriantdangtrinhnt: yes, for cpu_util maybe, but the issue why it was removed: "Transformers cannot work correctly on multiple nodes without workload partitioning, which has been removed."02:52
adrianthttps://review.opendev.org/#/c/580709/02:52
adriantso that may end up a rabbit hole02:52
dangtrinhntrafaelweingartne, +102:52
adriantwe need something 'like' it, but maybe bringing it back isn't the answer02:52
dangtrinhntadriant, makes sense02:52
rafaelweingartneadriant: maybe, we could bring back the feature, but with a new design/implementation02:53
dangtrinhntor alternatives. We will have to put more effort investigating that.02:53
adriantrafaelweingartne: that's pretty much what I mean02:53
lxkongi prefer we deprecate something unless we have a feature parity alternative, something like 'not work', 'covered by other projects' are not good reasons02:53
dangtrinhntrafaelweingartne, agree02:54
dangtrinhntlxkong, +102:54
rafaelweingartnelxkong, +102:54
dangtrinhntok good02:54
dangtrinhntanything else?02:54
dangtrinhnt5m left02:54
lxkongnot from me02:54
engel75what a bout the documentation02:55
dangtrinhntengel75, what do you mean?02:55
engel75it is not the most "complete" one02:55
dangtrinhntmissing, not correct?02:55
dangtrinhntah ok02:55
dangtrinhntwe absolutely need to correct and improve the documentations02:56
dangtrinhntI will put it on the todos02:56
engel75I will try to find missing parts02:56
dangtrinhntStories I meant :)02:56
dangtrinhntthanks02:56
dangtrinhntI guess we can complete it in T-102:56
dangtrinhnt3m left02:57
dangtrinhntanything else?02:57
engel75I never contributed to some Openstack documentation but I could try to improve it from a operator perspective02:57
adriantengel75: from an operators perspective is sorely needed in the docs02:57
engel75I mean the ceilometer part02:57
dangtrinhntengel75, that is awesome.02:58
lxkongengel75: that will be very helpful02:58
rafaelweingartneadriant, +102:58
dangtrinhntif you need any guideline for that, let me know02:58
zhurong_phoneengel75: thanks02:58
dangtrinhntoke, 2m left02:58
engel75dangtrinhnt, ok I will send you an email to get help with it02:58
dangtrinhntengel75 +102:59
dangtrinhntOk, I think we're good for now. Anything else you would like to discuss, please send an email to the ML02:59
engel75ok02:59
dangtrinhntThanks everyone for participating in this great meeting.03:00
dangtrinhnt#endmeeting03:00
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lxkongthank you03:00
lxkonghave a good day/night, guys03:00
engel75thank you guys03:00
zhurong_phonethanks, bey everyone03:01
dangtrinhntbye :)03:01
rafaelweingartneBye guys, have a good night/day (engel75)03:01
dangtrinhntFor those who cannot join the meeting today, please look at the meeting minutes http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_telemetry/2019/openstack_telemetry.2019-05-09-02.00.html03:01
engel75rafaelweingartne, thank you :)03:01
dangtrinhntengel75, rafaelweingartne, welcome to the team :)03:02
engel75thank you :)03:06
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openstackgerritJake Yip proposed openstack/python-aodhclient master: allow an empty string to unset options  https://review.opendev.org/65661304:06
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joadavisengel75: "I don't see any alternative to gnocchi right now" There are alternatives, such as https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ceilosca05:29
openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-aodhclient master: allow an empty string to unset options  https://review.opendev.org/65661305:44
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dangtrinhntjoadavis, thanks for the information.05:50
dangtrinhntwe will put it to the discussioni05:50
dangtrinhnt@all, I just updated the contributors list on #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Telemetry05:50
dangtrinhntlet me know if I'm missing someone.05:50
dangtrinhntThanks.05:50
openstackgerritzhongshengping proposed openstack/ceilometer master: Update Python 3 test runtimes for Train  https://review.opendev.org/65793206:27
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openstackgerritzhongshengping proposed openstack/ceilometer master: Update Python 3 test runtimes for Train  https://review.opendev.org/65793209:36
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Dantalionhello I was wondering how to get cpu utilization for instances now that cpu_util metric has been deprecated?12:40
openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-aodhclient stable/queens: Fixup README  https://review.opendev.org/65329413:24
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joadavisDantalion: For a discussion of cpu_util, check in the meeting minutes from the meeting yesterday - http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-telemetry/%23openstack-telemetry.2019-05-09.log.html15:06
joadavisDantalion: briefly, you currently have a few options - use an older version of Ceilometer, use Gnocchi to aggregate the metric for you, use a different storage backend that will generate the metric for you (such as Ceilosca and Monasca), or pull the data into your own application and do the calculation there.15:07
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Dantalionjoadavis: is there any documentation on how to setup Gnocchi to aggregate this metric because when I install devstack with CEILOMETER_BACKEND=gnocchi it is not there15:13
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Dantalionjoadavis: Or information on how to calculate cpu_util from other ceilometer data would also work15:29
joadavisDantilion: unfortunately, I don't know (I don't use Gnocchi).  Its been a while since I looked at it in Ceilometer, but over in Monasca we can use the cpu.utilization_perc metric we pull from the libvirt plugin.15:36
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Dantalionjoadavis: Cool yeah I am trying to setup a devstack with Monasca to, I work on Watcher and we would like to have 'known good' devstack setups that help developers verify patches15:52
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my_ndhi there! I'm working with gnocchi for metrics of instances and volumes and I have to estimate the amount of disk capacity for storing those metrics in a period of 3 months. Do you have some formula for this?19:46
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