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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/election master: Add a combined_end_nominations E-mail template https://review.opendev.org/755141 | 00:11 |
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| yoctozepto | o/ | 05:53 |
| yoctozepto | fungi: yay, 1.75 of folk per seat | 05:53 |
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| ttx | Started https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/wallaby-leaderless to track leaderless teams | 09:50 |
| ttx | johnsom: did you miss the election deadline, or did you really intend to not run for Octavia? | 10:19 |
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| smcginnis | ttx: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-September/017631.html | 11:35 |
| njohnston | ttx: he did not intend http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2020/octavia.2020-09-23-16.00.log.html#l-21 | 11:40 |
| ttx | ah, my search-foo failed, was looking for an Octavia non-candidacy email | 11:40 |
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| fungi | Rafael Weingärtner has volunteered (on the openstack-discuss ml thread where priteau declared non-candidacy) to serve as cloudkitty ptl for wallaby | 13:28 |
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| johnsom | ttx Sorry, I only announced it at our weekly meeting. I did not send an e-mail for non-candidacy. | 13:50 |
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| mnaser | we should discuss leaderless stuff today in the office hours | 14:03 |
| njohnston | mnaser: The octavia team meets immediately after the TC slot, hopefully we can get them to weigh in on how to move forward | 14:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Reorder repos alphabetically https://review.opendev.org/754097 | 14:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Retire openstack/os-loganalyze https://review.opendev.org/753834 | 14:22 |
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| gmann | o/ | 14:41 |
| fungi | i've got to run some errands during office hours, but can chime in near the end hopefully if there are election process questions | 14:44 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | o/ | 15:02 |
| gmann | thanks ttx for starting it. added my notes/recommendation on etherpad | 15:04 |
| mnaser | hi everyone | 15:04 |
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| njohnston | o/ | 15:05 |
| * mnaser ok so | 15:06 | |
| mnaser | i pinged jamespage on irc | 15:06 |
| mnaser | wrt charms, i think that one should be easily settled | 15:06 |
| mnaser | seems like we have a volunteer for cloudkitty | 15:07 |
| gmann | yeah, that is good then | 15:08 |
| gmann | Pierre mentioned to continue helping as contributor | 15:08 |
| mnaser | ah gmann found the url before me :P | 15:08 |
| mnaser | i added a decision section | 15:09 |
| mnaser | so we can just decide what we'll end up doing for a specific project | 15:09 |
| mnaser | tc-members: can we review https://review.opendev.org/#/c/752661/ please ? | 15:10 |
| mnaser | that will help close one of the leaderless project action items | 15:10 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | I would, but I already have ;) | 15:11 |
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| mnaser | friendly ping to mugsie jungleboyj cloudnull knikolla ricolin on the change above ^ | 15:12 |
| knikolla | o/ | 15:13 |
| cloudnull | done | 15:14 |
| mnaser | i think the 3 that i am worired about now is | 15:14 |
| mnaser | oslo, placement and octavia | 15:14 |
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| mnaser | placement seems to have not had any work done really | 15:15 |
| mnaser | (by that i mean there is no active development, but it just works™) | 15:15 |
| gmann | yeah, one option i was thinking it to move to oslo governance but oslo again need someone to take care. | 15:16 |
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| mnaser | i dont think placement needs to be its own team | 15:16 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Has rm_work been pinged about Octavia? | 15:17 |
| mnaser | 29 commits, a lot of it just being actual maint-type changes (py unit test versions, future usage, etc) | 15:17 |
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| mnaser | i would get crucified if we said placement could be moved as a nova deliverable but it seems like its mostly the nova team that talks/consumes it the most | 15:18 |
| rm_work | Ah, hey | 15:18 |
| * jungleboyj clicks | 15:18 | |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I guess johnsom doesn't want to be ptl of two projects? | 15:18 |
| njohnston | it seemed from the ML thread that the interested parties for placement were willing to try DPL | 15:18 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | rm_work: hello :) | 15:18 |
| njohnston | diablo_rojo_phon: correct | 15:18 |
| mnaser | njohnston: cool, link for that? | 15:18 |
| bnemec | I've reached out to a couple of people about Oslo. No responses yet, but I just sent the latest email this morning. | 15:18 |
| rm_work | My IRC has been down for a bit :D what's the topic? | 15:18 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | You being Octavia PTL ;) | 15:18 |
| rm_work | Ugh | 15:19 |
| johnsom | No one has asked.... Really, I want to bring up the topic at the weekly meeting here in an hour and see what happens | 15:19 |
| bnemec | If I don't hear anything back soon (or they both nack) we'll have to discuss other options. | 15:19 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Since johnsom has moved onto Designate. | 15:19 |
| gmann | for placement, current team will be enough for handling the incoming requests. and in future other projects using placement can join it | 15:19 |
| mnaser | ok seems like http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-September/017534.html is there | 15:19 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | johnsom: oh cool. | 15:19 |
| rm_work | I was hoping cgoncalves would do it :D | 15:19 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | rm_work: that works too :) | 15:19 |
| rm_work | But if he can't, I can look at doing it again... But really hope he would be willing ;) | 15:19 |
| njohnston | mnaser: yes that is the start of the thread | 15:20 |
| njohnston | rm_work: I talked to him, he is not interested | 15:20 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | There's also the distributed approach it you'd want to try that. | 15:20 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | For Octavia | 15:20 |
| johnsom | Nobody wants that | 15:20 |
| rm_work | lol | 15:21 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 15:21 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Lol | 15:21 |
| yoctozepto | lol | 15:21 |
| rm_work | My PTO strategy is "ignore all the administrative overhead and hope nothing catches fire, then pass off to the next PTL" so I can do it but not for too many cycles in a row :D | 15:22 |
| gmann | mnaser: njohnston let's continue on ML for placement. I am hoping developers form other projects some and help along with current team | 15:22 |
| rm_work | *PTL strategy | 15:22 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | LOL | 15:22 |
| njohnston | rm_work: I have seen worse :-) | 15:22 |
| gmann | rm_work: :) and if next PTL is you ? | 15:22 |
| njohnston | I think we can work on drumming up some fresh blood before then | 15:23 |
| rm_work | I try to make sure I don't do it too many cycles in a row (2 seems to be reasonable before people start asking for too much paperwork) | 15:23 |
| mnaser | fungi: (whenever you are back) -- when does the patch that removes current ptls and replaces them go up so we can start with some of the appointment patches too? | 15:24 |
| mnaser | bnemec: thanks for pinging about oslo btw, please keep us updated | 15:24 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | mnaser: the patch goes up when polling completes. | 15:25 |
| mnaser | do we do that in lockstep even if there is no election needed for projects (but maybe one for tc?) | 15:25 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | If there's no polling for PTLs, it could go up now I suppose. | 15:25 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Operate the TC election separately. | 15:25 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | (so no, I don't think it has to be done in lockstep just because it's a combined election) | 15:26 |
| mnaser | yeah that seems reasonable so we can start pushing up some of those appointment patches to vote on them too, etherpad is an ok method to cooperate but hard to get consensus | 15:26 |
| njohnston | diablo_rojo_phon: don't we have a PTL election for telemetry? | 15:26 |
| gmann | yeah, we have one election | 15:26 |
| mnaser | oh we do | 15:27 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Ah yes, I forgot about that one. | 15:27 |
| mnaser | that's pretty neat | 15:27 |
| mnaser | ok, so i guess we have to wait a week before we can push those patches | 15:27 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | So then the patch won't be for two weeks. | 15:27 |
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| rm_work | ah how is telemetry going? we've had to kill that internally because we got stuck on queens, after rocky removed the features we use with no workable alternatives <_< | 15:27 |
| * rm_work isn't bitter | 15:28 | |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Right now is the week of campaigning. Then a week of polling. | 15:28 |
| mnaser | an election is a good sign rm_work :) | 15:28 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:28 |
| mnaser | ok so the only thing is someone needs to help drive the placement discussion in getting the right list of individuals | 15:29 |
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| belmoreira | o/ | 15:33 |
| mnaser | hiya belmoreira | 15:35 |
| mnaser | we're going over https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/wallaby-leaderless :) | 15:35 |
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| belmoreira | mnaser thanks | 15:36 |
| mnaser | ok, charms is taken care of | 15:38 |
| fungi | okay, back from errands and catching up on discussion | 15:41 |
| mnaser | seems like we're at a bit of a deadlock with octavia though | 15:43 |
| njohnston | I think with octavia, let's check with the team, and it sounds like rm_work is willing to take PTL if noone else steps up. Is that an accurate summation? | 15:44 |
| johnsom | mnaser You all can't wait until the weekly meeting in 20 minutes? | 15:44 |
| mnaser | johnsom: we can wait, i was just trying to keep carrying the discussion that was being had above :\ | 15:44 |
| fungi | mnaser: to reiterate what diablo_rojo_phon said, the governance change to update the list of ptls with new volunteers/election winners or "none" happens at the end of polling (so roughly two weeks from today). i just figured now was a good time to start discussing what should happen with teams who didn't produce a ptl candidate | 15:45 |
| * mnaser also struggles to keep an office hour going without most folks fallin' off unfortuantely | 15:45 | |
| fungi | and yes, there are two candidates for telemetry ptl, so we will have a runoff poll to choose one | 15:45 |
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| fungi | even openstackgerrit got bored and left ;) | 15:47 |
| mnaser | i understand we're all busy but one hour of time is all we're asking to try and push things through | 15:47 |
| belmoreira | how about placement? it was already discussed? I'm really concerned about this | 15:48 |
| gmann | :) | 15:48 |
| mnaser | belmoreira: i brought it up and asked if someone can help drive the discussion of going to distributed leadership http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-September/017534.html | 15:48 |
| fungi | belmoreira: there was a brief mention above... there was a longer discussion on the openstack-discuss ml before nominations started | 15:48 |
| mnaser | seems like there is interest from the individauls involved to look into it | 15:48 |
| fungi | but yeah, the ml thread sort of petered out | 15:49 |
| mnaser | yeah, that's why i asked if anyone can help drive that to get us to a cossesus | 15:49 |
| mnaser | if not, i would just move it into nova and call it a day | 15:49 |
| mnaser | the project is quiet, there's no development happening, no one is running standalone placement | 15:49 |
| mnaser | and imho i think placement feels mostly like an external api exposed by nova to interact with it | 15:50 |
| belmoreira | I would really like if nova picks placement again | 15:50 |
| gmann | as other project using or planning to use, i feel to keep it separate. | 15:50 |
| mnaser | it's been a little while placement has been out | 15:50 |
| mnaser | no one is using it | 15:50 |
| mnaser | (independently) | 15:51 |
| mnaser | imho most projects are using it to coordinate with nova | 15:51 |
| rm_work | njohnston: yes that's an accurate assessment but as johnsom said, we will see in a few minutes :D | 15:52 |
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| rm_work | and it's me. | 16:25 |
| rm_work | whelp :) | 16:25 |
| fungi | you have my sympathies | 16:25 |
| fungi | been there before | 16:25 |
| rm_work | it's ok, as I have said a few times, I run on a platform of extreme delegation :D | 16:26 |
| fungi | that's certainly what worked for me | 16:26 |
| fungi | the ptl is a point of contact. i did also usually chair team meetings. anything else folks want, they can take care of themselves | 16:27 |
| fungi | happy to do my king solomon impersonation and offer compromises disadvantageous to all parties who can't work out a disagreement between one another | 16:28 |
| johnsom | lol | 16:30 |
| rm_work | that seems about right :) | 16:31 |
| njohnston | thanks very much rm_work! | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 16:51 |
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| bnemec | Okay, I think it's unlikely we're going to find an Oslo PTL candidate. Looks like we'll be pursuing the DPL approach. :-/ | 20:01 |
| fungi | if so, that's the first team which has said for sure they want to give the distributed leadership model a shot | 20:03 |
| njohnston | perhaps that will help other teams feel comfortable with it; I feel that there was some reluctance to be the first to give it a try | 20:53 |
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