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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Pierre Riteau's candidacy for Blazar PTL https://review.opendev.org/754786 | 00:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Julia Kreger candidacy for Ironic PTL for wallaby https://review.opendev.org/754813 | 00:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: TC Candidacy for Wallaby https://review.opendev.org/754817 | 00:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Adding Michael Johnson candidacy for Designate https://review.opendev.org/754842 | 00:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: TC Candidacy for Wallaby https://review.opendev.org/754845 | 00:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Adding Brian Rosmaita candidacy for Cinder PTL https://review.opendev.org/754846 | 00:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Jay Bryant TC Nomination for Wallaby https://review.opendev.org/754848 | 00:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Masayuki Igawa candidacy for Quality_Assurance PTL https://review.opendev.org/754870 | 00:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Adding Takashi Kajinami candidacy for Storlets PTL https://review.opendev.org/754871 | 00:49 |
| gmann | o/ | 01:08 |
| openstackgerrit | gecong proposed openstack/election master: Add Cong Ge candidacy for Freezer PTL for Wallaby https://review.opendev.org/754875 | 01:57 |
| openstackgerrit | gecong proposed openstack/election master: Add Cong Ge candidacy for Freezer PTL for Wallaby https://review.opendev.org/754875 | 01:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhurong proposed openstack/election master: Adding Rong Zhu candidacy for Telemetry https://review.opendev.org/754892 | 03:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/election master: Add yoctozepto candidacy for TC (Wallaby) https://review.opendev.org/754962 | 10:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/election master: Add yoctozepto candidacy for Masakari PTL role (Wallaby) https://review.opendev.org/754971 | 10:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Ivan Kolodyazhny proposed openstack/election master: Add Ivan Kolodyazhny candidacy for Horizon PTL https://review.opendev.org/754981 | 12:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | XueFeng Liu proposed openstack/election master: Add XueFeng Liu candidacy for Senlin PTL in Wallaby https://review.opendev.org/754986 | 12:32 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 14:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add strigazi candidancy for magnum https://review.opendev.org/754727 | 14:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Adding Rong Zhu candidacy for Murano https://review.opendev.org/754890 | 14:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Adding Rong Zhu candidacy for Solum https://review.opendev.org/754891 | 15:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Adding Rong Zhu candidacy for Telemetry https://review.opendev.org/754892 | 15:00 |
| openstackgerrit | YumengBao proposed openstack/election master: Adding Yumeng Bao candidacy for Cyborg https://review.opendev.org/755058 | 15:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Canwei Li candidacy for Watcher PTL for Wallaby https://review.opendev.org/754911 | 15:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Carl caihui candidacy for Freezer PTL for Wallaby https://review.opendev.org/754932 | 15:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add yoctozepto candidacy for TC (Wallaby) https://review.opendev.org/754962 | 15:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add yoctozepto candidacy for Masakari PTL role (Wallaby) https://review.opendev.org/754971 | 15:09 |
| fungi | tc-members: heads up, we have an unfortunate situation for senlin... their (so far only) ptl nominee and incumbent has no changes merged to senlin deliverables in the qualifying timeframe: https://review.opendev.org/754986 | 15:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrey Pavlov proposed openstack/election master: Adding Andrey Pavlov candidacy for ec2-api (Wallaby) https://review.opendev.org/755060 | 15:12 |
| mnaser | https://review.opendev.org/#/q/reviewedby:%22XueFeng+Liu+%253Cliu.xuefeng1%2540zte.com.cn%253E%22 looks like they still _do_ review things | 15:13 |
| jungleboyj | Interesting. Well, being active reviewing is good. | 15:13 |
| jungleboyj | So, as a TC we can appoint XueFeng but he can't be elected? | 15:17 |
| fungi | correct | 15:17 |
| openstackgerrit | YumengBao proposed openstack/election master: Adding Yumeng Bao candidacy for Cyborg https://review.opendev.org/755058 | 15:18 |
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| fungi | doesn't qualify for our defined election criteria, but the tc can appoint anyone to a ptl position: | 15:20 |
| fungi | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/resolutions/20141128-elections-process-for-leaderless-programs.html | 15:20 |
| knikolla | interesting loophole | 15:21 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 15:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthias Runge proposed openstack/election master: Add mrunge candidacy for Telemetry PTL https://review.opendev.org/755063 | 15:26 |
| jungleboyj | Good to see nominations coming in at least. | 15:26 |
| jungleboyj | Numbers yesterday were a little scary. | 15:26 |
| openstackgerrit | XueFeng Liu proposed openstack/election master: Add XueFeng Liu candidacy for Senlin PTL in Wallaby https://review.opendev.org/754986 | 15:27 |
| fungi | knikolla: not so much a loophole. the tc governs openstack projects and decides who can be leaders of those teams. it has decided the primary mechanism is through election with specific qualifying criteria, but ultimately the tc is responsible for making that choice either directly or indirectly | 15:27 |
| knikolla | fungi: i know :) it just seems weird to me that the election criteria is different from appointment criteria. | 15:28 |
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| gmann | yeah, i think criteria make sense for election. and if there is no other candidate then TC can appoint after election | 15:29 |
| gmann | knikolla: that is good point but it give preference to any other candidate who contributed to be first go for election. | 15:30 |
| knikolla | ++ i'm not advocating to change it | 15:30 |
| fungi | as for why the contribution merge cutoff for qualifying is ~24 hours before the end of the nominations period, that's to give the election officials some breathing room to confirm all the candidates ;) | 15:32 |
| gmann | on this I remember the magnum election situation long time back. | 15:33 |
| gmann | but may be considering the Review in that criteria make sense *now* ? but something to discuss in future. | 15:34 |
| fungi | yeah, basically the senlin ptl nominee merged a change to add senlin release notes earlier today, but the cutoff to count contributions toward qualifying candidacy was 00:00 utc today | 15:37 |
| fungi | ooh, we may have a race for telemetry ptl on our hands... there's a second nominee up for confirmation now | 15:42 |
| fungi | with 9 hours remaining in the nomination period, we still lack ptl nominees for the following: Cloudkitty Karbor Manila Monasca Octavia OpenStack_Charms Oslo Packaging_Rpm Placement Qinling Searchlight Senlin | 15:47 |
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| fungi | if you know someone who is planning to nominate themselves as a ptl for one of those teams (or for any team and hasn't yet) then please remind them the deadline is looming | 15:48 |
| openstackgerrit | XueFeng Liu proposed openstack/election master: Add XueFeng Liu candidacy for Senlin PTL in Wallaby https://review.opendev.org/754986 | 15:49 |
| gmann | +1, fungi do you latest list of pending nomination than the one you sent last night ? | 15:50 |
| fungi | i'm afraid i can't parse your question... try again? | 15:51 |
| gmann | i mean list of projects with no PTL nomination yet | 15:52 |
| fungi | that was the list of projects with no ptl nomination yet, yes | 15:53 |
| fungi | 12 in total (one of those 12, senlin, has a non-qualifying nominee, the others have no nominees nor confirmed candidates) | 15:53 |
| fungi | the ones with potentially qualifying nominees awaiting a second confirmation are: Cyborg Ec2_Api Horizon | 15:55 |
| fungi | as mentioned, there's also a second nominee for Telemetry awaiting a second official to confirm | 15:55 |
| jungleboyj | Surprised to see Manila in that list. | 15:55 |
| gmann | gouthamr: ^^ | 15:55 |
| gouthamr | hey sorry folks, i'm just back from PTO and stirring up :) | 15:55 |
| fungi | the current ptl may be trying to use this as a means of lobbying for a replacement ;) | 15:55 |
| gmann | gouthamr: +1. | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | i did though, fungi yes | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | :D | 15:56 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 15:56 |
| johnsom | fungi I prefer to call it "Allowing unimpeded leadership opportunity for others." grin | 16:08 |
| tbarron | gouthamr will not escape this time | 16:09 |
| yoctozepto | johnsom: that's pure gold; stealing "Allowing unimpeded leadership opportunity for others" now | 16:22 |
| yoctozepto | sorry to see Monasca without a PTL | 16:22 |
| yoctozepto | packaging rpm is moving to sig so no problem | 16:22 |
| yoctozepto | charms without ptl weird as well | 16:23 |
| yoctozepto | I'm going to see if I can find a folk for Monasca... | 16:23 |
| fungi | anybody know what the plan for oslo is? dpl? | 16:24 |
| bnemec | I reached out to the person I thought was going to take over after me, but I haven't heard back yet. | 16:25 |
| yoctozepto | I've heard only of dpl for placement | 16:25 |
| bnemec | I believe he's EU time now so it may be too late. :-/ | 16:25 |
| fungi | bnemec: well, it's still an easy choice for the tc if there's a volunteer within the next two weeks | 16:26 |
| fungi | easier if people follow the documented and announced process and timeline, but appointments are still really just several line git changes in the governance repo | 16:27 |
| bnemec | Okay. If I can't find anyone to do it before next week, we'll discuss options in the weekly meeting. | 16:31 |
| bnemec | Oh, except I'm going to be out next week. :-( | 16:31 |
| bnemec | I guess we'll discuss it sometime this week then. | 16:31 |
| gmann | pinged monasca and qinling current PTL in case they missed the notification. | 16:34 |
| fungi | thanks gmann! | 16:39 |
| fungi | thanks bnemec! | 16:39 |
| yoctozepto | gmann, fungi: I've written to one of the Monasca cores that contributes to Kolla as well; he might be interested but it's unlikely for me to get feedback today unfortunately :-( | 16:50 |
| fungi | like i said earlier, appointments are merely a git review away once nominations conclude | 16:51 |
| fungi | or more likely, once election polls have closed | 16:51 |
| yoctozepto | indeed, hence why I mailed him anyway ;-) | 16:51 |
| yoctozepto | you will still need ppl to choose from | 16:51 |
| noonedeadpunk | And I was about to revive monasca roles :( | 16:52 |
| noonedeadpunk | (for osa) | 16:52 |
| fungi | noonedeadpunk: perfect time to throw your hat in the ring! ;) | 16:53 |
| fungi | (assuming you have commits in monasca) | 16:53 |
| noonedeadpunk | nope, I don't | 16:53 |
| noonedeadpunk | and neither I using it, but I probably know who does... | 16:53 |
| yoctozepto | noonedeadpunk: monasca deploys quite happily in kolla; let us know if you need any help | 16:56 |
| yoctozepto | atm prometheus is stealing the monitoring floor though | 16:56 |
| yoctozepto | everything is prometheus these days :-) | 16:56 |
| noonedeadpunk | We were deploying it till train, but then dropped as nobody was using it... and now we have person who is interested so makes sense to return it back | 16:56 |
| noonedeadpunk | but yeah, thanks! | 16:56 |
| noonedeadpunk | yeah. but to be competely honest, I think zabbix is really more neat in terms of architecture and iteraction... | 16:57 |
| noonedeadpunk | but yeah, not as far as popular as prometheus | 16:57 |
| yoctozepto | prometheus feels more flexible because it got oh so popular | 16:58 |
| * yoctozepto team zabbix | 16:58 | |
| * noonedeadpunk finds exporters too complicated to write | 16:59 | |
| noonedeadpunk | vs pass data to zabbix sender | 17:00 |
| * fungi is still on crufty old team snmp | 17:06 | |
| noonedeadpunk | huh, I also still use snmp heavily, like from net equipment, but forward it to zabbix :p | 17:08 |
| yoctozepto | yeah, snmp does not define how to preserve and aggregate the data ;p | 17:09 |
| noonedeadpunk | I guess prometheus has some snmp exporter for that as well... | 17:09 |
| yoctozepto | you bet! | 17:09 |
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| fungi | oh, sure, i was talking about protocols. i assumed prometheus had its own protocol, or else why would you need to add explicit support for it instead of providing support for a standard protocol | 17:16 |
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| * fungi is ultimately in favor of clients and servers implementing support for established protocol standards, and collaborating to improve those standards through public design/discussion | 17:17 | |
| * yoctozepto agrees with fungi here | 17:18 | |
| yoctozepto | prometheus builds its own abstraction though | 17:19 |
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| noonedeadpunk | +1 to fungi for sure | 17:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Goutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/election master: Add Goutham Pacha Ravi candidacy for Manila PTL https://review.opendev.org/755093 | 17:36 |
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| fungi | we're at the 6 hour mark before nominations close. we're still missing any nominees for Cloudkitty Karbor Octavia OpenStack_Charms Oslo Packaging_Rpm Placement Qinling Searchlight (and Senlin has one who technically doesn't qualify but could be appointed) | 19:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Erno Kuvaja proposed openstack/election master: Adding Erno Kuvaja candidacy for TC https://review.opendev.org/755110 | 19:08 |
| spotz | fungi I thought packaging_rpm was changing to a SiG? | 19:09 |
| fungi | spotz: so did i, but it hasn't happened yet | 19:10 |
| fungi | though given that there's probably no urgency for them to produce any ptl candidates | 19:11 |
| spotz | fungi: Ok let me ping, I know the review is up there so they might have thought that was a done deal | 19:11 |
| fungi | the infra team and the security team each similarly had an election with no ptl candidate while they were working on winding down, it's not really a big deal | 19:12 |
| fungi | it's more like just reinforcing the transition to a sig | 19:12 |
| spotz | Or because they're i the process didn't realize they still should | 19:15 |
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| fungi | oh, same also happened with the stable maint team i think, the last cycle while the em sig was spinning up the lingering team had no ptl | 19:15 |
| fungi | in all cases the result was that the tc just considered the teams to be in a transitional state and didn't appoint anyone while waiting for the governance change to retire the team | 19:16 |
| fungi | also looks like we could have 7 folks on the tc ballot this time. awesome! | 19:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Adding Andrey Pavlov candidacy for ec2-api (Wallaby) https://review.opendev.org/755060 | 23:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Adding Yumeng Bao candidacy for Cyborg https://review.opendev.org/755058 | 23:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add mrunge candidacy for Telemetry PTL https://review.opendev.org/755063 | 23:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Adding Martin Chacon Piza candidacy for Monasca PTL for W https://review.opendev.org/755091 | 23:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Goutham Pacha Ravi candidacy for Manila PTL https://review.opendev.org/755093 | 23:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Adding Erno Kuvaja candidacy for TC https://review.opendev.org/755110 | 23:08 |
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