| TheJulia | Well the PTL self nomination window has ended. It seems like we are in a similar situation to last cycle. At least that is my quick glance interpretation. | 00:17 |
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| fungi | not entirely similar... | 00:18 |
| TheJulia | fungi: well? Somewhat? | 00:19 |
| fungi | we have these 7 teams missing ptls: Cyborg Designate I18n OpenStackSDK Placement PowerVMStackers Winstackers | 00:19 |
| fungi | *but* | 00:19 |
| fungi | we have no polls, *at all* | 00:19 |
| fungi | no contested ptl seats, and only exactly as many tc candidates as open seats | 00:19 |
| TheJulia | Not good, it makes me wonder if we need to have some difficult discussions though | 00:20 |
| fungi | so all candidates will be acclaimed immediately, once we get the last candidate change through the gate | 00:20 |
| fungi | just need to work out the patches to push up for review | 00:20 |
| fungi | yeah, this is the first time i know of where there has been no poll for tc, and no poll for any ptl position | 00:21 |
| fungi | (independently even, since this is also the first time we've run both at the same time) | 00:21 |
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| TheJulia | True. I _feel_ like there is a strong tone of burnout amongst leaders, myself included. At some point we need to recognize we can't do everything. | 00:24 |
| fungi | i may see different cross-sections of the community than others do, but i feel like there's been a strong tone of burnout since 2012 | 00:26 |
| fungi | people just take turns getting burned out | 00:27 |
| fungi | openstack burnout as a service ;) | 00:27 |
| TheJulia | Why have we not created a burnout project? | 00:28 |
| TheJulia | Appoint the most burnt out to it so they can't run? *Insert evil grin here* | 00:29 |
| fungi | oh, but see, we have. that's ... all of them ;) | 00:29 |
| TheJulia | Lol | 00:29 |
| TheJulia | Well, I was thinking burn out as a service could have zero deliverables | 00:29 |
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| TheJulia | Anyway, we can't maintain the status quo. We need to make some not fun decisions moving forward | 00:33 |
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| zaneb | o/ | 01:00 |
| TheJulia | \o | 01:00 |
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| fungi | oh, yep, it's office hour! | 01:01 |
| fungi | election results are up for review by the officials now: https://review.opendev.org/679884 Close Ussuri PTL/TC election and post results | 01:02 |
| fungi | along with smcginnis's change to update it to use the cycle name, now that we officially have one | 01:02 |
| gmann | o/ | 01:02 |
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| gmann | 7 projects with leaderless ? | 01:04 |
| fungi | that's not uncommon | 01:06 |
| fungi | at least a few of them already have some possible options | 01:06 |
| fungi | it sounds like one of the election officials is going to volunteer for one of those, but didn't run to avoid a conflict of interest | 01:07 |
| fungi | another has a volunteer already who just isn't a code contributor on that project yet | 01:07 |
| gmann | seems like cyborg PTL nomination is only on ML - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-September/008981.html | 01:07 |
| fungi | ahh, i missed that | 01:07 |
| fungi | so the tc can easily make that appointment i expect | 01:08 |
| zaneb | yes, it's the current PTL so easy one | 01:08 |
| gmann | yeah. | 01:09 |
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| Sundar | gmann: Thanks for the reminder and sorry for overlooking the update to the repo. | 05:36 |
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| evrardjp | fungi: swift is a very specific exemple of a project that should keep 2.7, because they want durability of data. I think we can consider this an exception, and I am fine with that. | 07:01 |
| evrardjp | timburke: I would be happy to know how we can help to be in a stable position while we motivate others to move away from py2. | 07:04 |
| evrardjp | Congratulations to the newly (re)elected candidates! | 07:24 |
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| ttx | 7 leaderless is on par | 08:02 |
| ttx | OpenStack: the only project where it's easier to get to leadership positions than to name releases | 08:02 |
| ttx | nb: I'm on and off today as I travel to deposit my China visa request | 08:03 |
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| evrardjp | ttx: that made me smile | 09:03 |
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| asettle | o/ | 09:28 |
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| gmann | o/ | 11:00 |
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| asettle | gmann, congrats on your reelection ;) | 11:39 |
| gmann | asettle: thanks | 11:40 |
| asettle | Happy to have you back :D | 11:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/governance master: Explicitly declare Ussuri supported runtimes. https://review.opendev.org/679798 | 14:39 |
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| mnaser | tc-members: do we want to add appointments to tomorrows agenda? | 15:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Use promote job https://review.opendev.org/678355 | 15:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Subsequent fixes in goal selection process changes https://review.opendev.org/677938 | 15:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add os_murano project https://review.opendev.org/677541 | 15:41 |
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| cloudnull | o/ | 15:46 |
| njohnston | o/ | 15:56 |
| mugsie | tc-members: a reminder to vote in the poll for release naming - we have 9 out of 13 votes, and I will be closing it an hour before the TC meeting tomorrow | 16:03 |
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| timburke | evrardjp, i'd actually say it's less about durability of data, more about ease of upgrade. the expectation is (should be, *must* be) that data written to a server running py2 will still be perfectly readable when that server (1) upgrades swift, (2) upgrades python, or (3) upgrades OS. continuing py2 support is about ensuring that deployers and operators can make decisions about the order of 1, 2, and 3 to optimize for their particular | 16:31 |
| timburke | circumstances | 16:31 |
| timburke | to the extent that swift-on-py3 writes down different data from swift-on-py2, the py3 code is in error. we've already had one instance of that since our initial release of py3 support: https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1837805 | 16:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1837805 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "py3: account metadata handling is busted" [High,Fix released] | 16:35 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Zuul job logs stored in OVH may fail. We have updated the base job to remove OVH from our storage location. If you have POST_FAILURES a recheck should fix them at this point. | 16:53 | |
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| mriedem | melwitt: question in https://review.opendev.org/#/c/675521/7 | 20:52 |
| melwitt | mriedem: looking. also, we're in the tc channel | 20:54 |
| mriedem | oh heh oops | 20:54 |
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