Tuesday, 2017-08-15

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openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Add missing tag stable:follows-policy for oslo.messaging  https://review.openstack.org/49123208:56
openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Add monasca-events-api  https://review.openstack.org/49140108:56
openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Describe what upstream support means  https://review.openstack.org/44060109:00
openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Fixed typo in volunteer support resolution  https://review.openstack.org/48696409:00
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ttxOffice hours time!09:04
ttxgcb: welcome!09:05
* cdent has an office hours topic09:06
cdentIt’s more on the agenda setting for september, further comms with Alan Clark09:06
ttxJust refreshed https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee09:07
ttxcdent: yes?09:07
ttxcdent: I received an email asking each workstream lead to prepare a report on how that area progressed09:07
cdenta) are we intending to prep a more complete top list 5 for then, or perhaps should we use some of the time to figure out some options for that list?09:08
cdentb) the discussion last time didn’t reflect a huge amount of enthusiasm for a retrospective-like thing, do we wish to consider that or not09:09
ttxI'd say both. If we can add one or two things between now and then, that would be great. But we could/should use the time there to discuss the ones on the list and the ones that should be added to the list09:09
ttxFor (b) I think we should also take some time to refresh the "areas". Those may not reflect now the priorities we have09:10
ttxBasically those were defined in March, that doesn't mean nothing happened between March and Septembet09:10
ttxI think if we phrase it that way: "a look back at the strategic areas, are we missing anything"09:11
ttxthat will give us the opportunity for a retrospective09:11
ttxand new suggestions09:12
cdentthat seem reasonably contained (I guess one of the main concerns was containing random unproductive moaning)09:12
ttxyes, if we start from the areas I think we'll avoid most of the unproductive grievance airing09:12
ttxWhat made the March workshop productive is that the discussion was VERY channelled using process09:13
ttxso yes, an open retrospective has potential to go sideways09:13
ttxbut if 1/ go through the 5 areas, 2/ look back and say "are we missing anything", I think that should be constructive09:14
cdentI’m still not 100% convinced that grievance airing is unproductive; it’s just not _immediately_ productive. I’m also not 100% convinced that productivity is a primary goal. But perhaps I’m too oriented towards shared language building. I’m happy to go with the general desire.09:14
ttxcdent: That's probably because you missed years of unconstructive TC+BoD meetings. Those got productive only VERY recently09:15
ttxSo I agree with you in principle09:15
ttxIn a well-functioning coorperative group, putting the dead fish on the table is a good idea09:15
cdentmy attitude comes from this: http://eekim.com/2007/02/the-blue-oxen-way/09:16
ttxIn an agora were everyone is mostly concerned about making their voice heard, that was not very useful09:16
cdentI see people squirming all the time in the openstack community09:16
gcbttx: one question about the PTG meeting, just wondering if we can hold online meeting within the team to encourage others join the discussion09:16
ttxgcb: you can set up some online presence in parallel, yes. It's always a bit difficult (requires someone to actively monitor / exchange with the online participants, and online participants feel a lot like they are missing out) but if everyone is aware of the constraints, that can work09:18
ttxIn my experience, that worked better when the idea was to bridge someone in particular into the discussion09:19
ttxyou can pair that person with a human in the room responsible for including that person09:19
ttxbeyond one or two people that tends to degrade really quickly09:20
mugsieyeah, the docs team did very successfully in ATL - they had a strict schedule, and people would dial in for the segments they were interested in09:20
ttxor hinder the direct discussion and productivity of the in-person meeting09:20
mugsiedid it*09:20
ttxSo it works really well when you identify a person critical to a given discussion but who was not able to join09:21
ttxand assign someone to be their shadow in the discussion09:22
gcbttx, mugsie: thanks for the suggestion, will try it in Denver PTG09:22
ttxBut does not work very well when you claim "people can participate to the PTG using remote participation"09:22
ttxbecause that's not really true, and their experience will likely be painful09:23
gcbttx: agree , I  usually attend the board meeting through WebEx,  It's a little painful to attend  a long meeting09:24
ttxcdent: let me try to add a top-5 discussion topic and a "are we missing anything" topic to the agenda09:25
cdentthanks ttx09:29
ttxcdent: see https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/10Sep2017BoardMeeting#Leadership_Meeting_Agenda09:39
ttxI added your name to the two items you might want to help with09:40
cdentyup, thanks09:41
ttxIn other news, I received answers from Storlets. Current PTL has switched jobs and cannot visibly contribute anymore. Main contributor (Kota TSUYUZAKI) just stepped up to take the helm09:41
ttxI'll push a change to propose his addition, and we can discuss that on the review09:42
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openstackgerritThierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Appoint Kota TSUYUZAKI as Storlets PTL for Queens  https://review.openstack.org/49384611:55
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openstackgerritMonty Taylor proposed openstack/governance master: Be explicit about supported database versions  https://review.openstack.org/49393215:58
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Add watcher-tempest-plugin to watcher project  https://review.openstack.org/48955720:15
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