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| ttx | Office hours time! | 09:04 |
| gcb | wow! | 09:05 |
| ttx | gcb: welcome! | 09:05 |
| * cdent has an office hours topic | 09:06 | |
| cdent | It’s more on the agenda setting for september, further comms with Alan Clark | 09:06 |
| ttx | Just refreshed https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 09:07 |
| ttx | cdent: yes? | 09:07 |
| ttx | cdent: I received an email asking each workstream lead to prepare a report on how that area progressed | 09:07 |
| cdent | a) are we intending to prep a more complete top list 5 for then, or perhaps should we use some of the time to figure out some options for that list? | 09:08 |
| cdent | b) the discussion last time didn’t reflect a huge amount of enthusiasm for a retrospective-like thing, do we wish to consider that or not | 09:09 |
| ttx | I'd say both. If we can add one or two things between now and then, that would be great. But we could/should use the time there to discuss the ones on the list and the ones that should be added to the list | 09:09 |
| ttx | For (b) I think we should also take some time to refresh the "areas". Those may not reflect now the priorities we have | 09:10 |
| ttx | Basically those were defined in March, that doesn't mean nothing happened between March and Septembet | 09:10 |
| ttx | +r | 09:10 |
| ttx | I think if we phrase it that way: "a look back at the strategic areas, are we missing anything" | 09:11 |
| ttx | that will give us the opportunity for a retrospective | 09:11 |
| ttx | and new suggestions | 09:12 |
| cdent | that seem reasonably contained (I guess one of the main concerns was containing random unproductive moaning) | 09:12 |
| ttx | yes, if we start from the areas I think we'll avoid most of the unproductive grievance airing | 09:12 |
| ttx | What made the March workshop productive is that the discussion was VERY channelled using process | 09:13 |
| ttx | so yes, an open retrospective has potential to go sideways | 09:13 |
| ttx | but if 1/ go through the 5 areas, 2/ look back and say "are we missing anything", I think that should be constructive | 09:14 |
| cdent | I’m still not 100% convinced that grievance airing is unproductive; it’s just not _immediately_ productive. I’m also not 100% convinced that productivity is a primary goal. But perhaps I’m too oriented towards shared language building. I’m happy to go with the general desire. | 09:14 |
| ttx | cdent: That's probably because you missed years of unconstructive TC+BoD meetings. Those got productive only VERY recently | 09:15 |
| ttx | So I agree with you in principle | 09:15 |
| ttx | In a well-functioning coorperative group, putting the dead fish on the table is a good idea | 09:15 |
| cdent | my attitude comes from this: http://eekim.com/2007/02/the-blue-oxen-way/ | 09:16 |
| ttx | In an agora were everyone is mostly concerned about making their voice heard, that was not very useful | 09:16 |
| cdent | I see people squirming all the time in the openstack community | 09:16 |
| gcb | ttx: one question about the PTG meeting, just wondering if we can hold online meeting within the team to encourage others join the discussion | 09:16 |
| ttx | gcb: you can set up some online presence in parallel, yes. It's always a bit difficult (requires someone to actively monitor / exchange with the online participants, and online participants feel a lot like they are missing out) but if everyone is aware of the constraints, that can work | 09:18 |
| ttx | In my experience, that worked better when the idea was to bridge someone in particular into the discussion | 09:19 |
| ttx | you can pair that person with a human in the room responsible for including that person | 09:19 |
| ttx | beyond one or two people that tends to degrade really quickly | 09:20 |
| mugsie | yeah, the docs team did very successfully in ATL - they had a strict schedule, and people would dial in for the segments they were interested in | 09:20 |
| ttx | or hinder the direct discussion and productivity of the in-person meeting | 09:20 |
| mugsie | did it* | 09:20 |
| ttx | So it works really well when you identify a person critical to a given discussion but who was not able to join | 09:21 |
| ttx | and assign someone to be their shadow in the discussion | 09:22 |
| gcb | ttx, mugsie: thanks for the suggestion, will try it in Denver PTG | 09:22 |
| ttx | But does not work very well when you claim "people can participate to the PTG using remote participation" | 09:22 |
| ttx | because that's not really true, and their experience will likely be painful | 09:23 |
| gcb | ttx: agree , I usually attend the board meeting through WebEx, It's a little painful to attend a long meeting | 09:24 |
| ttx | cdent: let me try to add a top-5 discussion topic and a "are we missing anything" topic to the agenda | 09:25 |
| cdent | thanks ttx | 09:29 |
| ttx | cdent: see https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/10Sep2017BoardMeeting#Leadership_Meeting_Agenda | 09:39 |
| ttx | I added your name to the two items you might want to help with | 09:40 |
| cdent | yup, thanks | 09:41 |
| ttx | In other news, I received answers from Storlets. Current PTL has switched jobs and cannot visibly contribute anymore. Main contributor (Kota TSUYUZAKI) just stepped up to take the helm | 09:41 |
| ttx | I'll push a change to propose his addition, and we can discuss that on the review | 09:42 |
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