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| fungi | disappointed (though not surprised) mugsie indicates 99% of dns admins wouldn't want dnssec | 00:36 |
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| fungi | also wondering whether mwhahaha's script could run for puppet-openstack ptl | 00:36 |
| mwhahaha | Not since yamllint changes :( | 00:37 |
| fungi | bwahahaha | 00:38 |
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| EmilienM | lol | 00:52 |
| EmilienM | I'm online for TC office hours | 00:52 |
| dims | hey EmilienM | 00:54 |
| EmilienM | dims: o/ | 00:54 |
| fungi | so it is! | 01:01 |
| fungi | office hour time | 01:02 |
| dims | fungi : EmilienM : seen this? "What is the process for developing Go?" https://blog.golang.org/toward-go2 | 01:06 |
| dims | interesting way to look at how they use feedback | 01:07 |
| EmilienM | I haven't but it looks like a nice reading | 01:07 |
| dims | EmilienM : i liked your "PTL wanted" email :) | 01:08 |
| dims | anyone bite yet? | 01:08 |
| cdent | oh feh, I’m still awake since the last office hours. this is a bad sign | 01:08 |
| EmilienM | dims: thanks for feedback! not yet :-) | 01:09 |
| * EmilienM sends some tisane to cdent | 01:09 | |
| cdent | thanks. | 01:09 |
| fungi | cdent: that's exactly what i'm afraid would happen if i got out of bed early enough for the first one | 01:10 |
| cdent | I had reasonable plans to be asleep long before now but I got sucked into doing some reviews, then looking at some bugs, then a few more reviews, and then a very confusing bug that took far too long to figure out… blah blah | 01:11 |
| fungi | i was planning to have a quiet evening, but stuff kept breaking | 01:11 |
| fungi | i can quiet evening some other time | 01:11 |
| dims | hey cdent ! | 01:15 |
| cdent | hola | 01:15 |
| dims | cdent : http://i.imgur.com/t0XHtgJ.gif ? | 01:16 |
| cdent | yeah, that’s about right | 01:16 |
| dims | :) | 01:17 |
| cdent | I think I better get off the computer before I start something else. Good night all. | 01:21 |
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| dims | good night cde | 01:21 |
| dims | fungi : i had occasion to revisit https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2015-7546/ | 01:23 |
| fungi | that was a while ago | 01:23 |
| dims | y some folks are still using pki tokens... :( | 01:24 |
| EmilienM | are you guys going to Sidney? | 01:29 |
| EmilienM | (I guess yes) | 01:29 |
| fungi | yeah, my sponsor would really prefer i not miss summits if possible | 01:34 |
| dims | :) fungi | 01:50 |
| dims | EmilienM : y, too early to book flights though | 01:50 |
| EmilienM | dims: same | 01:55 |
| fungi | quiet office hour, but we've had far quieter i suppose | 02:05 |
| EmilienM | fungi: can I use the fact you're online to get a review on https://review.openstack.org/489702 ? | 02:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Gergely Csatari proposed openstack/governance master: Removal of installguide-cookiecutter https://review.openstack.org/489907 | 07:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | James Page proposed openstack/governance master: charms: Add Gnocchi charm and supporting interfaces https://review.openstack.org/489947 | 09:35 |
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| ttx | Pike vs. Newton team activity variation data: http://imgur.com/a/0PhwA | 13:11 |
| ttx | It's interesting since Newton is considered a "peak" activity cycle | 13:11 |
| mugsie | ttx: we were only -47% ? | 13:12 |
| mugsie | s/we/designate/ | 13:12 |
| ttx | It's a combination of changes proposed, changes merged, and contributors involved | 13:12 |
| ttx | but yes | 13:12 |
| * mugsie would have put that higher | 13:12 | |
| ttx | let me see what the raw data says | 13:12 |
| ttx | Designate Changes proposed: - 54.58 %, Changes merged - 59.69 %, Contributors - 30.91 % | 13:14 |
| ttx | So the fact that contributors are still around compensates a bit | 13:14 |
| ttx | my "activity" metric is a combination of all 3 | 13:15 |
| mugsie | yeah - I suppose we have been around, but not hugely active | 13:15 |
| mugsie | there is a few outliers there, especially at the growing end, but that is not quite as bad a picture as the "OpenStack is dead" tech press would have you believe | 13:17 |
| ttx | Also Newton was arguably in overdrive | 13:18 |
| mugsie | yeah | 13:18 |
| ttx | http://imgur.com/a/8i0Vo shows overall merged changes | 13:19 |
| ttx | in commits/day | 13:19 |
| ttx | Basically that last year is still significantly above July 2014 - July 2015, only a small drop compared to our peak year | 13:20 |
| ttx | Granted that's fueled by new projects activity, but still | 13:20 |
| mugsie | how much are projects like zun contributing to the total ? they are up 300 odd %, but is that 300% of 20 commits ? | 13:21 |
| ttx | It's interesting that at the peak of the hype in 2014 we were merging 150/day and now we are at 250/day but dead | 13:21 |
| ttx | mugsie: let me see | 13:23 |
| ttx | that 300% increase probably starts from very low :) | 13:23 |
| mugsie | yeah - I was tempted to set up a twitter bot that tweeted every time we merged something, and then when people said we were dead, I could point them to that account | 13:23 |
| ttx | Zun Merged commits: Newton: 114 | 13:23 |
| ttx | Pike: 526 (+ 361.4 %) | 13:23 |
| ttx | Significant, I'd say | 13:23 |
| mugsie | yeah, definitely | 13:24 |
| ttx | Although they were arguably just getting startedin Newton, it's not a statistical oddity | 13:24 |
| mugsie | are you pulling this from gerrit, stackalytics, or $other_thing ? | 13:25 |
| ttx | It's from Gerrit data | 13:25 |
| ttx | A bit hackish which is why I need a delay to answer your questions, involves live-editing the scripts :) | 13:25 |
| mugsie | ah - fair enough. I have my own collection of these scripts that I used in designate - it seems everyone does | 13:26 |
| ttx | Good to see barbican activity increasing | 13:28 |
| mugsie | definitely | 13:28 |
| ttx | surprised to see congress activity increasing | 13:28 |
| ttx | or ec2api | 13:28 |
| mugsie | it is hard work, and unfortunately the kind of work that is rarely ever user facing, or "glamorious" | 13:28 |
| mugsie | yeah - I thought ec2api get retired ? | 13:28 |
| ttx | and yes, concerning to see keystone in that top group | 13:29 |
| ttx | mugsie: not yet, partially due to their increasing activity | 13:29 |
| ttx | also good to see glance and horizon having most of the drop behind them | 13:30 |
| cdent | I hope we’re careful with how we wield these numbers. It’s probably not the case with most openstack things, but for a project in general, lack of activity can mean “it just works". | 13:38 |
| cdent | And the goal we should be striving for in the projects is that they “just work" | 13:38 |
| cdent | (very long term goal in many cases) | 13:38 |
| cdent | I’ve seen comments on requirements changes where people get nervous about a library that hasn’t had a lot of commits recently. As if that’s a bad thing. | 13:39 |
| mugsie | yeah - and I am guilty of it as well. If I am lookig for a tool, and the repo is last updated a year ago, gets put as a negative in my head | 13:43 |
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| dhellmann | it depends on whether there are a bunch of open bugs or pull requests against it that haven't seen any traffic either | 13:44 |
| cdent | dhellmann: sure, but in isolation, lack of activity is meaningless | 13:45 |
| dhellmann | sure | 13:45 |
| ttx | cdent: yes, which is why looking at the trends (is it getting worse or better) is also an indication | 13:51 |
| ttx | Some people would consider a slow drop to be natural after the peak of feature development/rewrite | 13:51 |
| ttx | cdent: 25% drop is, I think, within natural evolution. Beyond 36% is slightly more concerning | 13:53 |
| ttx | or at least warrants some attention and deeper analysis | 13:53 |
| ttx | which is why I regrouped the teams in that viz | 13:53 |
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| dtantsur | hi folks! where are names pulled from in https://governance.openstack.org/election/#queens-ptl-candidates? mine does not look great :( this seems to be my really old launchpad name (using cyrillic back then) | 14:15 |
| EmilienM | dtantsur: from openstack/elections I think | 14:28 |
| EmilienM | dtantsur: or maybe not | 14:29 |
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| dtantsur | EmilienM: oh fun! I have two accounts at https://review.openstack.org/accounts/?q=divius.inside@gmail.com, one with incorrect name, the other one is real | 14:39 |
| * dtantsur talks to infra | 14:42 | |
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| dims | dtantsur : ouch | 15:08 |
| dtantsur | yep | 15:10 |
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| fungi | cdent: a good example is a command-line utility i maintain to grab weather conditions and forecast data... it's gone years without a commit at some points, but then i notice or get bug reports that data locations have changed and i scramble into action to fix that, then silence again for years | 18:27 |
| cdent | keeps on tickin | 18:28 |
| fungi | i personally like "stable" software. it's good for users and for those writing it, as long as it continues to do exactly what it's designed for | 18:29 |
| fungi | not everything needs constant "innovation" to remain useful | 18:29 |
| fungi | so completely agree with your concerns there | 18:29 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 18:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/governance master: Normalize deliverables arrays in legacy.yaml https://review.openstack.org/488505 | 19:00 |
| cdent | fungi: do you know if it is by design the gerrit bot is reporting both here and -dev ? | 19:01 |
| cdent | because both is rather like noise | 19:01 |
| mtreinish | cdent: it is, in that I pushed the patch to add it here without removing it from -dev | 19:03 |
| mtreinish | cdent: I don't think it's necessarily noise since -dev has a much higher membership than -tc and governance changes do effect everyone | 19:04 |
| cdent | I mostly meant noise here. I do think it is good in -dev | 19:04 |
| cdent | but since nearly everyone in here will also be in -dev, duplication seems ammiss | 19:04 |
| cdent | it’s by no means a bid deal though | 19:05 |
| cdent | so if people like it, that’s great | 19:05 |
| cdent | but if it was an oversight… | 19:05 |
| fungi | cdent: i have no objections to having the gerritbot _not_ report in here, however it may be useful to people who look at the (much quieter) tc channel logs. i have no real preference either way | 19:11 |
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