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| John341 | clayg: unfortunately, providing "X-Auth-Token: <ID>", where the id is the id for a fernet generated token. | 05:23 |
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| John341 | I still get 401 Not authorized :( | 05:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: We don't "yield" in collect_parts anymore https://review.openstack.org/436322 | 06:17 |
| timburke | jrichli: ^^^ | 06:17 |
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| daidv | Hi everybody, I wonder how can I get a trustly rolling upgrade steps from swift community documentation? | 07:23 |
| daidv | Acctually, I'm facing with error "No *** running" when I try to run "swift-init rest stop" command? | 07:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexandre Lécuyer proposed openstack/swift master: KV / small files patches. For discussion with Romain Le Disez at the PTG https://review.openstack.org/436406 | 10:54 |
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| clayg | John341: bummer! | 13:48 |
| clayg | daidv: you left! That's a warning not an error. When you ask services to stop some of them are not running - that's probably ok? | 13:48 |
| clayg | daidv you're correct though - as near as I can tell neither https://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/ops_runbook/index.html nor https://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/admin_guide.html say give best practices overview to perform a rolling swift upgrade - one of them should | 13:52 |
| clayg | ... and briancline isn't around | 13:52 |
| clayg | ... so I was hating on lp bug #1380815 ... and remembered | 13:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1380815 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "swift.common.utils should not patch logging on import" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1380815 | 13:53 |
| clayg | I'm *always* promsing people beers for fixing bugs? Does anyone need to collect on that at the PTG? | 13:53 |
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| kota_ | good morning | 14:05 |
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| clayg | good morning! | 14:39 |
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| notmyname | I'm looking for eran, if anyone sees him | 14:40 |
| notmyname | he found my laptop charger yesterday and turned it in, but no desk I ask knows about it | 14:40 |
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| notmyname | I'm in the arch-WG capabilities discussion. (although it seems to be nova devs talking about which CPU features should be exposed in horizon) | 14:45 |
| notmyname | related to this doc https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386555/7/guidelines/capabilities.rst,unified | 14:45 |
| patchbot | patch 386555 - api-wg - Add API capabilities discovery guideline | 14:45 |
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| clayg | notmyname: you're doing god's work my friend | 14:46 |
| notmyname | I've seen kota_ and zaitcev this morning, but nobody else | 14:47 |
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| jrichli | I have been in macon at a talk about tempest plugins | 15:18 |
| clayg | what time is he picture thing? is that today? | 15:20 |
| clayg | jrichli: does swift have a tempest plugin!? | 15:21 |
| timburke | clayg: thursday, 9:20 iirc | 15:21 |
| jrichli | clayg: picture thing is thursday at 9, i believe. no, we dont have a plugin. would have to be in a separate repo. | 15:21 |
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| clayg | whoot! large objects ssync replication test in progress! | 15:30 |
| clayg | throughput is SO much higher than LOSF scenario! | 15:30 |
| clayg | jrichli: let's move *everything* into seperate repos!? | 15:31 |
| jrichli | lol | 15:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mahati Chamarthy proposed openstack/swift master: Test coverage for reconstructor https://review.openstack.org/436522 | 16:10 |
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| timburke | mahatic: you're still awake? go to sleep! | 16:11 |
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| mahatic | timburke: hey! I was about to ping you and clay | 16:11 |
| mahatic | timburke: clayg I noticed some missing coverage during this patch 425468 and some follow on I think | 16:12 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425468/ - swift - Shuffle disks and parts in reconstructor (MERGED) | 16:12 |
| mahatic | I attempted to cover it in patch 436522 | 16:12 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436522/ - swift - Test coverage for reconstructor | 16:12 |
| mahatic | timburke: it's only 9:40 pm. Good time to push changes sitting in drafts ;) | 16:13 |
| mahatic | having a good time I hope! | 16:13 |
| * mahatic afk for a bit | 16:14 | |
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| ntata | can anyone help me understand what happens when a *.data file gets deleted (by mistake) in a cluster? | 17:24 |
| ntata | replicator looks for hashes.pkl (in our case is untouched) and replicates only if there's a change to hashes.pkl | 17:25 |
| ntata | auditor is taking care of the expired objects and the *.ts (deleted) objects | 17:25 |
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| clayg | ntata: we miss you :'( | 17:47 |
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| clayg | ntata: if a change happens in a suffix w/o invalidating the suffix - no one will really notice | 17:48 |
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| clayg | it's like writing directly to a block device with O_DIRECT instead of going through the filesystem/linux-pagecache | 17:48 |
| clayg | you're tinkinering under the purvue of the system | 17:48 |
| clayg | any place we udpate a suffix (write/delete/post/quarantine) we always invalidate the suffix - you HAVE to | 17:48 |
| clayg | oh... or rsync - rsync can change a suffix - and it has to call REPLICATE with the explict hash invalidations | 17:49 |
| clayg | if the suffix get's another update later - that would of course pick up any changes that happened underneath/out-of-band | 17:49 |
| clayg | onovy: do you know Allison Randal - she works on debian (ubuntu?) packages/testing for openstack | 17:51 |
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| onovy | clayg: hi, no | 17:51 |
| onovy | but that name i already saw somewhere... | 17:51 |
| clayg | onovy: yeah... | 17:51 |
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| onovy | timburke: hi, thanks for working on stable branch! | 17:58 |
| timburke | onovy: sure! and now we should even have a working gate again :-) | 17:59 |
| onovy | nice! | 17:59 |
| timburke | managed to corner someone from infra over lunch -- thanks jhesketh! | 18:00 |
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| notmyname | ntata: yes, your right. so you'll need to invalidate hashes.pkl to get replication to fix it. the "easy" way to do this is to delete hashes.pkl | 18:02 |
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| onovy | notmyname: hi, btw: we really need to found solution for ntata question automagically in cluster | 18:05 |
| onovy | there are many many situation where pkl file is not consistent with directory content | 18:05 |
| onovy | we should recount it "sometimes" | 18:05 |
| onovy | same as we call listdir sometimes | 18:05 |
| onovy | examples: power outage, small filesystem corruption, daemon crash, network outage (just after rsync call, before REPLICATE call), ... | 18:06 |
| onovy | we have done recount of part of production cluster and we really found few of inconsistent pkls | 18:07 |
| notmyname | onovy: I'm pretty sure that clayg has solved it (he had lots of stuff on a whiteboard, at least) | 18:07 |
| onovy | already talked with clayg about this, not sure if solution is already written | 18:07 |
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| ntata | clayg, glad to know I'm remembered and missed! Got pulled into some off-community work.. I'm going to lurk around more often now on :D | 18:16 |
| ntata | clayg, notmyname yes! that's what I observed.. removing hashes.pkl will recover everything that's lost. | 18:16 |
| clayg | yeah we need to get off rsync for that reason - ssync invalidates as it goes - in the datapath ftw | 18:21 |
| clayg | onovy: i want to add more context/data to hashes.pkl - i'm fine with a 'rehashed at time()' | 18:22 |
| clayg | if that *really* manages to go a few days without any activity i'm cool to rehash it | 18:22 |
| clayg | onovy: there was a number of bugs that PavelK fixed that could introduce bad pickles | 18:22 |
| clayg | but those are better | 18:22 |
| clayg | acoles: says he knows of 1 more race | 18:22 |
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| redbo_ | There can be billions of suffix dirs, they probably won't all get activity every few days. Also, you don't really want to re-index them every few days. Maybe every few weeks. | 18:28 |
| redbo_ | If you have multiple replicas, at least one *should* get updated, and then replication will re-index until the hashes match. Or that's how it was supposed to work. | 18:30 |
| clayg | aren't thre like *exactly* 4096 * part_power unique suffixes? We can monitor a rate at which they get invalidated and also pick a satisfactory frequency at which to reindex them "after a while when we're not busy" | 18:31 |
| clayg | er... 4096 * 2 ** part_power /we | 18:31 |
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| redbo | I'm sure you could pick some rate to re-index that doesn't have a giant impact. But I think replication will fix it faster, since the chances that the hashes for all copies of a suffix will match and be wrong are low. Unless there's some sort of horrible bug. | 18:43 |
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| onovy | redbo: yep, theory. reality is, horrible bugs is there. many many race conditions. we should fix it: yes? can we be sure if we fixed all? no :). | 19:02 |
| onovy | reality is we have this inconsistency in production cluster and only way to fix is to recount that hashes by hand | 19:02 |
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| timburke | notmyname: you should go look at some of the newton patches now that the gate's fixed https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?title=Open+Backports&foreach=is:open+branch:%255Estable/.*&Swift=project:openstack/swift&Swift+Client=project:openstack/python-swiftclient | 19:09 |
| redbo | I'd rather at least know why replication isn't noticing the hashes differ and re-indexing them. Or are both servers hitting the same bug so their hashes match but are both wrong. Those questions should be sort of easy to answer. | 19:13 |
| redbo | I think it's a bad idea to spackle over bugs without understanding them. | 19:13 |
| redbo | Maybe I should go back, but I didn't even see what the problem is. Are things not getting replicated? | 19:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: Add abort flag to replicator/reconstructor https://review.openstack.org/429015 | 19:15 |
| notmyname | redbo: I think there's two general cases. one is if a file gets deleted/corupted externally to swift processes (ie without hashes.okl getting invalidated). the other is bugs in the logic of when hashes.pkl gets updated normally. the second is what onovy and clayg have been looking in to lately | 19:17 |
| onovy | right | 19:18 |
| onovy | simple example: small XFS corruption and file gets lost | 19:19 |
| onovy | lost=not in dir index | 19:19 |
| onovy | auditor and replicator will not notice it | 19:19 |
| onovy | and even if we find and fix all bugs for second case (bugs in logic of when pkl getd updated normally) we still needs to recount them automagically | 19:22 |
| redbo | Sure. But we've talked about this 3 or 4 times before. And the math on making sure the entire system is re-indexed every week or whatever is pretty depressing. | 19:22 |
| onovy | so don't recount it so often | 19:23 |
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| onovy | +we can recount only first/master replica | 19:23 |
| pdardeau_ | we're currently toying with an idea that might help in this regard (efficiently noticing the changes) | 19:24 |
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| redbo | How is only re-indexing the first primary going to help? | 19:26 |
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| onovy | redbo: right, sry | 19:27 |
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| timburke | onovy: on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415556/, the failure's legit -- i think tonyb was going to look at whether it makes sense to bump oslosphinx lower bounds for newton, or maybe we'll want to just revert https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354426/ | 19:38 |
| patchbot | patch 415556 - python-swiftclient (stable/newton) - Require newer version of oslosphinx | 19:38 |
| patchbot | patch 354426 - python-swiftclient - reenable sidebar links (MERGED) | 19:38 |
| onovy | timburke: yep. we should fix global requirements for stable/newton, than recheck 415556, or revert that 354426 | 19:40 |
| onovy | *then | 19:40 |
| redbo | I'm probably biased by people who used to want to re-index every 24 hours or something. An auditor speed reindexing would be fine. | 19:41 |
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| onovy | we should reindex every < reclaim_age idealy. but because it's rare, i think it's acceptable higher interval | 19:42 |
| onovy | of course after all bugs in this part be fixed | 19:42 |
| redbo | Though some people think the auditor needs to look at everything all the time super fast too. | 19:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift master: We don't "yield" in collect_parts anymore https://review.openstack.org/436322 | 19:44 |
| tonyb | timburke: Yeah I don't really like it but the 2 options are 1) add olsosphinx>=$whatever and relying on u-c to select the version that works ; or 2) revert the add sidebar review | 19:45 |
| tonyb | timburke: it will get better in $future | 19:45 |
| onovy | redbo: we have really long almost never-ending cycle for auditor in production | 19:46 |
| timburke | it's already better on master -- look at us, living in the future! | 19:46 |
| tonyb | timburke: :) | 19:46 |
| onovy | https://github.com/openstack/requirements/commit/e4b0883ad8bc95ed0a98f83dc1f095d086a0692e | 19:47 |
| onovy | yep, i define future! | 19:47 |
| timburke | tonyb: any strong feelings on which way that ought to go? i'm kinda partial toward the revert, just because i work with a guy that can actually land everything necessary to get onovy's patch landed | 19:47 |
| * onovy prefers to update g-r | 19:48 | |
| onovy | so backport https://github.com/openstack/requirements/commit/e4b0883ad8bc95ed0a98f83dc1f095d086a0692e to stable/newton | 19:48 |
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| tonyb | timburke: I think 1) is the least worst. It's a lie but it's one we tell in many other places | 19:50 |
| tonyb | timburke: I can update the review to do that thing if you like | 19:52 |
| onovy | tonyb: why not fix global requirements and keep my review as it's? | 19:52 |
| onovy | hey really, it's just formal change | 19:53 |
| tonyb | onovy: becuase the stable policy prevents altering the minimum accepted version on stable branches | 19:53 |
| onovy | so that's deadlock | 19:53 |
| onovy | so 3) don't do anything | 19:54 |
| tonyb | onovy: Sure | 19:54 |
| tonyb | onovy: it isn't deadlock we have 2 ways to move forward | 19:54 |
| onovy | i don't see point for "1" | 19:54 |
| tonyb | onovy: and this will get better in pike | 19:54 |
| onovy | better? | 19:55 |
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| onovy | u-c of oslosphinx for newton is 4.7.0 -> stable branch for swiftclient will build fine | 19:56 |
| onovy | if we can alter minimum accepted version in global req, there is only two solutions: revert, do nothing | 19:57 |
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| onovy | *we can't | 19:57 |
| tonyb | onovy: No option 1 will pass the gate and do what you expect but it'll be a lie but as I said it's one we tell elsewheer (that our minimums mean anything) | 19:58 |
| tonyb | and that will get better in pike as we're writing tools to test minimums | 19:58 |
| onovy | cool | 19:58 |
| onovy | you said: 1) add olsosphinx>=$whatever and relying on u-c | 19:59 |
| onovy | but that's what we already have in stable/newton branch | 19:59 |
| onovy | so it's same as my "1" solution: do nothing | 19:59 |
| onovy | and accept lie :) | 19:59 |
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| tonyb | Sure, that's true I forgot that you already had oslosphinx in requirements.txt | 20:00 |
| onovy | we already accepted that lie | 20:00 |
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| onovy | btw: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/102870.html | 20:00 |
| onovy | i TRIED to fix it before release | 20:00 |
| onovy | and prevent this mess | 20:01 |
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| tonyb | onovy: Yeah okay IIRC that had large knock-on effects that were unacceptable at that stage of the release | 20:02 |
| onovy | so to finish it: do nothing. it's "fixed" in my debian package, in master and it's wrong in stable branch, which doesn't matter | 20:03 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/swift master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/88736 | 20:03 |
| tonyb | onovy: yeah | 20:04 |
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| onovy | abandoned, thanks :] | 20:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Shashirekha Gundur proposed openstack/swift master: Invalidate cached tokens api https://review.openstack.org/370319 | 20:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Thiago da Silva proposed openstack/swift master: WIP: centos func test https://review.openstack.org/436642 | 20:12 |
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| clayg | onovy: redbo: the change to trigger a reindex when the auditor finds an expired tombstone probably helps too! | 20:18 |
| onovy | link? | 20:18 |
| clayg | I think writing down the index time off suffixes is the first step and the only one I'm willing to commit to | 20:18 |
| clayg | onovy: it was old-ish - I think mahatic did it | 20:18 |
| clayg | so if I find there's suffixes in my cluster that aren't getting re-indexed after weeks or months ... I think that sort of defacto means that cluster has the spare time to do the reindex | 20:20 |
| onovy | clayg: 81d4673674febdbe0bba6e27a6d24739456eb3c4? | 20:20 |
| clayg | onovy: yuppers - she's a good 'en | 20:21 |
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| onovy | ah. it's from 2.10.0 and we have 2.7.0 in production! | 20:21 |
| onovy | that is nice solution for ts | 20:22 |
| clayg | onovy: rather than all the backports - can you just get on the upgrade/follow-master train with us? | 20:22 |
| clayg | I just... yesterdays bugs are so *boring* - we fixed those already! ;) | 20:22 |
| clayg | think of all the bugs we can write *just this week* | 20:23 |
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| onovy | i'm trying to finish/cleanup newton | 20:23 |
| onovy | so only 1 release behind! | 20:23 |
| timburke | tdasilva: that looks exciting... | 20:26 |
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| onovy | clayg: but really: we need to change our process for deploying. because stretch is frozen and i can't upgrade swift to something newer than newton for months | 20:27 |
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| tdasilva | timburke: but does it work?? | 20:30 |
| tdasilva | :) | 20:30 |
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| tdasilva | acoles: hi! just noticed we still have gate jobs: gate-swift-tox-xfs-tmp-func-ubuntu-trusty and gate-swift-tox-xfs-tmp-func-fast-post-ubuntu-trusty | 20:32 |
| tdasilva | should we get rid of gate-swift-tox-xfs-tmp-func-fast-post-ubuntu-trusty since fast post is enabled by default? | 20:33 |
| clayg | tdasilva: yes | 20:33 |
| clayg | tdasilva: slow post is dead to me | 20:33 |
| jrichli | tdasilva: as long as older versions / backports are still going to have it as a test | 20:35 |
| tdasilva | jrichli: oh yeah, forgot about that, maybe that's why it is there, for the backports stuff that mattoliverau was doing | 20:36 |
| tdasilva | sorry, not backports, stable branches | 20:36 |
| jrichli | yes, stable branches :-) | 20:36 |
| timburke | tdasilva: no, we should not! stable branches! mattoliverau and i only just got the newton gate working again! | 20:36 |
| tdasilva | timburke: right right, sorry, forgot about that again | 20:37 |
| timburke | now, if it's still triggering on master, that's a separate issue...and one we should fix :-) | 20:37 |
| tdasilva | was about to break it again :P | 20:37 |
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| timburke | clayg: ha! sound familiar? #3 on HN: https://blog.packagecloud.io/eng/2017/02/21/set-environment-variable-save-thousands-of-system-calls/ | 20:46 |
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| mattoliverau | wont everybobdy please think of the stable branches :P | 20:51 |
| mattoliverau | tho if your were to break it then at least do it this week so I can trick jhesketh into reviewing infra patches :P | 20:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/liberasurecode master: jerasure: plug memory leaks https://review.openstack.org/434696 | 20:52 |
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| onovy | timburke: thanks for that TZ link, that is really interesting | 20:59 |
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| timburke | onovy: it very much made me think of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331369/ | 20:59 |
| patchbot | patch 331369 - swift - Always set swift processes to use UTC | 20:59 |
| timburke | ...which taught me (as if i needed any reminding) just how terrible time is. it's the worst | 21:00 |
| notmyname | timburke: eternally | 21:01 |
| onovy | ...and you should probably be running your servers in UTC anyway. // we are running servers in GMT+1 :) | 21:01 |
| notmyname | everyone should always run their servers in UTC ;-) | 21:01 |
| onovy | and during summer in +2! | 21:01 |
| notmyname | fun! | 21:01 |
| onovy | CET/CEST time is funny | 21:02 |
| timburke | you can run your servers in whatever timezone you like. i don't think swift will think it's in the same tz though :P | 21:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift master: Prevent traceback in object-server on client disconnect https://review.openstack.org/417187 | 21:02 |
| notmyname | onovy: so.... when time falls back in autumn every year, do you have an hour where writes overwrite older data? | 21:03 |
| onovy | no, xfs is using timestamp | 21:03 |
| clayg | zaitcev: tdasilva: why don't you have a liberasurecode spec file in rpm-packaging!? https://github.com/openstack/rpm-packaging/tree/master/openstack | 21:03 |
| zaitcev | clayg: Perhaps because I did not hear of rpm-packaging until now. | 21:04 |
| onovy | tz should be used only when presenting time to people. why any software should depend on it... | 21:04 |
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| clayg | onovy: holy crap! this is you -> https://github.com/openstack/deb-swift/tree/debian/newton | 21:05 |
| onovy | clayg: :] | 21:05 |
| patchbot | Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands. | 21:05 |
| clayg | onovy: do you have one for liberasurecode too? because *apparently* those get published in a mirrored repository in infra that we could point at and get "newer than current system packages" | 21:06 |
| clayg | zaitcev: nice ;) | 21:06 |
| onovy | https://github.com/openstack/deb-liberasurecode | 21:06 |
| onovy | https://github.com/openstack/deb-liberasurecode/tree/debian/newton | 21:07 |
| clayg | zaitcev: so I'm told... that in addition to getting all up in openstack/releases with the yaml - we *also* want to get in the openstack/rpm-packaging - so that when the "automatically built newer than current system packages" rpm analog of this debian thing is in place in upstream infra - it will be *that* repo that is automatically with the build testing | 21:07 |
| zaitcev | humm | 21:08 |
| zaitcev | [remote "origin"] | 21:08 |
| zaitcev | url = ssh://zaitcev@pkgs.fedoraproject.org/rpms/liberasurecode | 21:08 |
| zaitcev | apparently we don't have a public git? | 21:08 |
| onovy | clayg: but i think you should use jessie-backports instead of infra-build debian packages | 21:09 |
| clayg | onovy: I don't think I know what all those words mean - but I've been told we should try to make the infra packages have the versions we want and use them | 21:11 |
| onovy | i can't recomment it | 21:11 |
| onovy | because zigo will not maintain debian packages anymore | 21:11 |
| onovy | and i will not use infra for my packages | 21:11 |
| clayg | onovy: as part of a larger openstack initiative to maybe someday drive the non-python dependencies the same why upstream openstack is already doing for python dependencies | 21:11 |
| clayg | onovy: i'm only talking about using openstack infra packages *in* openstack infra | 21:12 |
| onovy | yep, i know | 21:12 |
| onovy | but i will not build deb-liberasurecode inside infra | 21:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/liberasurecode master: jerasure: plug memory leaks https://review.openstack.org/434696 | 21:13 |
| clayg | here's the thing that I think weirds out downstream - *I* (SwiftStack employee, Swift deployer/operator) do not *ever* want downstream packages - I am expected by my customers - but my clusters users to own my stuff soup to nuts - for stuff that I depend on critically to function - i built myself or go home | 21:13 |
| clayg | like when we found the liberasurecode bugs - it was fixed when I built my packages - I was every part in the critical path - it can be only that way | 21:13 |
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| clayg | onovy: interesting! you'll have to explain why you would refuse to participate in the larger upstream effort to handle driving dependency resolution in upstream packaging and also better support downstream packagers | 21:14 |
| clayg | telling openstack they are doing it wrong is a favorite pass time of mine | 21:14 |
| clayg | but in this case monty and other infra and packaging people seem to be telling me things that make sense and would solve my problems | 21:15 |
| onovy | i'm fine to do packaging work inside infra | 21:15 |
| clayg | oh, sorry - i misunderstood | 21:16 |
| onovy | BUT nobody have time to make it working | 21:16 |
| onovy | for example i can make packages for ocata | 21:16 |
| onovy | because nobody created branch for it | 21:16 |
| onovy | and nobody have time to do it | 21:16 |
| clayg | wat? that's stupid - why can't you just have access to do it | 21:16 |
| clayg | or you're saying *you* don't have time? | 21:17 |
| onovy | yep, i don't have time to do this | 21:17 |
| onovy | i want to do packaging, i don't want to make infrastructure for it :) | 21:17 |
| clayg | what about liberasurecode - it doesn't have "an ocata" release - it just has a latest version - which was released months ago? | 21:17 |
| clayg | but it's not the version you get in dsvm jobs in the gate | 21:17 |
| onovy | but that is different story | 21:18 |
| onovy | i'm talking about "building deb packages inside infra", which we are doing now | 21:18 |
| onovy | and you want to use products of this building inside gate | 21:18 |
| onovy | but i think i will move building deb packages from infra back to alioth (old fashion way) | 21:19 |
| onovy | because building deb packages in infra is not working correctly | 21:19 |
| onovy | it's buggy and nobody have time to maintain it | 21:19 |
| clayg | *why* does deb-liberasurecode have a debian/newton branch? | 21:19 |
| onovy | because "zigo" | 21:19 |
| clayg | i feel like I have gone into a crazy town | 21:19 |
| clayg | oic | 21:19 |
| clayg | yeah the rpm-packaging guys here are telling me they maybe didn't love the solutions developed in the upstream infra instructure - but more tactical than strategic disagreements | 21:20 |
| clayg | they *like* the idea of doing upstream packaing | 21:21 |
| onovy | but that's is something different. upstream packaging is not using upstream infra for downstream packaging | 21:21 |
| onovy | which is what debian do now | 21:21 |
| onovy | but upstream packaging is not ideal too. it's not about "please give me debian/ dir for new upstream release". i need to manage/patch old version of already eol products, etc. | 21:23 |
| onovy | that's the reason why almost all distros have own repos for packaging, split from upsream | 21:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/swift master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/88736 | 21:49 |
| clayg | onovy: so *generally* I found the *idea* of upstream packaging kinda weird :\ | 21:52 |
| clayg | onovy: but openstack infra needs a way to manage it's dependencies - and they think dependency mangagement (for non-python dependencies at least) makes sense to do with *packages* - so they want to do upstream packaging? | 21:52 |
| clayg | seems not insane, I don't think anyone expects downstream packagers to use upstream infra for build | 21:53 |
| clayg | in the case of rpm-packaging at least downstream seemed willing to collaborate upstream on the creation of .spec files - and so far they have all just been doing the downstream building in 3rd party CI | 21:53 |
| clayg | change goes into rpm-packaging - downstream build infrastructure kicks off - and in at least SUSE's case it seems those build artifacts are published in some sort of "unstable" sort of repo? | 21:54 |
| clayg | I don't really know | 21:54 |
| clayg | I would like it if you and zaitcev could talk to woudar (Allison deb) and dirk (Dirk rpm) - because you both undoubtably understand *all* of this at a mucher deeper level than I could hope to | 21:55 |
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| zaitcev | I don't see how any of this helps liberasurecode, which is relatively stable _and_ is included into Fedora. Just do "dnf install" and voila. | 21:57 |
| zaitcev | I mean, at infra machines. | 21:57 |
| zaitcev | Now, if they want to drag liberasurecode 1.4.0 into CentOS 7, it's possible too... The CentOS release team should be responsble for it. | 21:57 |
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