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| openstackgerrit | sanket lawangare proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: swiftclient updated https://review.openstack.org/241064 | 01:37 |
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| mahatic | good morning | 04:07 |
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| jrichli_ | mahatic: good morning | 04:19 |
| gmmaha | good morning mahatic | 04:20 |
| mahatic | jrichli_: glad hear about your meeting gone well :) | 04:20 |
| mahatic | gmmaha: morning! | 04:20 |
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| mahatic | notmyname: thumbs up on the pdf | 04:20 |
| jrichli_ | mahatic: thanks. There is still more talk to more managers - I will be in another meeting tomorrow. but so far, so good. | 04:21 |
| jrichli_ | yes, that pdf will be very helpful | 04:21 |
| mahatic | jrichli_: yeah, good luck | 04:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/swift: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/88736 | 04:35 |
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| acoles | good morning | 09:11 |
| acoles | jrichli: i was out most of yesterday (in fact, I replied to John's email and that was it!) - allowed my body a recovery day | 09:12 |
| haypo | acoles: morning :) | 09:12 |
| mahatic | good morning! done with the jury service? | 09:12 |
| acoles | notmyname: +1 for pdf, especially the last slide :) | 09:13 |
| acoles | haypo: hi! good journey home? | 09:13 |
| acoles | mahatic: jury service is next week :( | 09:13 |
| mahatic | acoles: ah! | 09:13 |
| haypo | acoles: yeah, long trip, and this summit was amazing | 09:13 |
| acoles | haypo: i was very impressed by those economy seats on japan airlines | 09:13 |
| haypo | and i finally got the opportunity to meet the great swift team ;) | 09:14 |
| acoles | haypo: well we got to neet the great haypo ;) | 09:14 |
| acoles | meet | 09:14 |
| haypo | acoles: for an unknown reason, JAL asked to take a flight earlier in a better class. win-win. ealier was better for me, and the higher class was great for my legs ;) | 09:14 |
| mahatic | lol | 09:14 |
| haypo | hehe | 09:14 |
| acoles | haypo: lucky for you! | 09:15 |
| * acoles goes to deal with envy | 09:15 | |
| ntt | Hi, What are best practises for billing in swift? How should I count the space? Should I monitor stats each hour/day/week/month ?? | 09:15 |
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| acoles | ntt: if you don't get answers, maybe try later in the day when some more ops people may be around and able to share experience | 09:17 |
| ntt | acoles: ok, thank you | 09:18 |
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| clayg | damn you rings | 09:27 |
| mahatic | clayg: ! | 09:29 |
| acoles | is clayg jetlagged or just resuming normal hours? ;) | 09:31 |
| janonymous | ntt : you could use ceilometer for new requests | 09:35 |
| ntt | janonymous: yes.... ceilometer could be a solution. But I'd like to know if I can use other methods (direct swift api) | 09:37 |
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| clayg | ntt: use slogging -> https://github.com/notmyname/slogging go collect network and storage stats across the cluster on a regular basis | 10:00 |
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| clayg | ... but you still have to do something hand rolled to get the csv's into postgres | 10:01 |
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| clayg | ok, i think i've got it - there was a couple of rings that looked wonky - but I think it was just cause the old dispersion value didn't consider the max replicas on a drive to be 1 | 10:02 |
| clayg | mahatic: acoles: *is* there a deck on encryption already? or just the emails so far... | 10:04 |
| mahatic | clayg: http://d.not.mn/swift_encryption_plan.pdf | 10:04 |
| mahatic | there you go | 10:05 |
| acoles | clayg: https://trello.com/b/63l5zQhq/swift-encryption | 10:05 |
| acoles | oh slide deck. thought you meant trello. | 10:05 |
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| clayg | lpabon: I took a nap on sunday | 10:06 |
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| lpabon | :-D | 10:06 |
| acoles | clayg: only cos sunday was 1st of the month I guess, I mean, surely you don't stop to nap *every* sunday? :P | 10:08 |
| clayg | i was jet lagged | 10:08 |
| lpabon | acoles: lol | 10:08 |
| mahatic | lol | 10:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk (sileht) proposed openstack/swift: monkeypatch thread for keystoneclient https://review.openstack.org/238580 | 10:13 |
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| mahatic | I´m a bit confused between "multiple GET ranges" and slo's range GETs | 10:22 |
| clayg | multi-range GET is just a weird http feature - MIME's are weird | 10:23 |
| mahatic | is it like, slos and dlos are middleware for larger uploads and multi-range GET are for any object? | 10:25 |
| mahatic | clayg: ^ | 10:28 |
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| clayg | mahatic: all of those words form true statements | 10:53 |
| haypo | clayg, acoles, cschwede & cie: since the plan for python 3 was validated, could you please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217423/ "py3: Update pbr and dnspython requirements" and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199034/ "py3: Add py34 test environment to tox" ? it's the first step to get a working python3 gate | 10:55 |
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| mahatic | clayg: yeah, i see that. Im looking at code to get my head around it | 11:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk (sileht) proposed openstack/swift: monkeypatch thread for keystoneclient https://review.openstack.org/238580 | 15:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Dardeau proposed openstack/swift: Added unit tests to recon.py. https://review.openstack.org/239534 | 15:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Dardeau proposed openstack/swift: Added unit tests to recon.py. https://review.openstack.org/239534 | 15:54 |
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| briancline | I think I know what hornet's nest I'm about to pop open... have we considered oslo.messaging as an alternative for patch 196755? | 16:14 |
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| patchbot | briancline: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196755/ - Add notification middleware | 16:14 |
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| notmyname | good morning | 16:20 |
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| notmyname | briancline: it's a good question. while torgomatic's review on that patch is good, the biggest difference is that zaqar is durable and HA (or designed to be) and oslo.messaging isn't (it's simply RabbitMQ IIRC) | 16:21 |
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| briancline | notmyname: it'd depend on whatever you've got oslo.messaging emitting messages to. there are a few drivers -- straight-up amqp (yikes), kombu, qpid, and zeromq | 16:25 |
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| notmyname | briancline: ah, interesting. I didn't know that | 16:26 |
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| briancline | notmyname: I think it's just the messaging layer though, so the durability and HA depends on what you've set up behind it (our rabbit queues for our current metadata search are set up as both durable and HA across the rabbit cluster, iirc) | 16:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ganesh Maharaj Mahalingam proposed openstack/swift: Add test coverage for direct_client https://review.openstack.org/241291 | 16:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Dardeau proposed openstack/swift: Add unit tests to cover print_item_locations https://review.openstack.org/240961 | 17:34 |
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| vinsh | clayg: Hey! Thank you for the session feedback, that means a lot! Digesting and will write back with a follow up. | 18:11 |
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| clayg | vinsh: np, had some time to kill on Saturday - loved the video | 18:16 |
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| notmyname | good morning (again) | 18:34 |
| notmyname | vinsh: where tdo we find the session feedback? | 18:35 |
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| vinsh | notmyname: I'm not sure about that... if you are thinking of the session feedback feature they added this year. | 18:41 |
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| notmyname | ah, I was assuming that's what you and clayg were talking about | 18:41 |
| vinsh | Unless, clayg used that to write back to me? IN that case it should go to the email you have registered in your presenter profile. | 18:41 |
| vinsh | It /might/ be | 18:42 |
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| vinsh | Nope, the feedback thing just brings you to a rating and comment box.. and I have no clue how to view those results yet. | 18:45 |
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| vinsh | I went and watched the session on storelets (mindblown) | 18:48 |
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| tdasilva | who is Zyric? | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | someone in australia, so asleep right now | 19:04 |
| pgbridge | probably a broken client | 19:05 |
| notmyname | yeah. I'm seeing what I can do | 19:05 |
| notmyname | ie kicking her to see if that stops. problem is she's using 2 nicks and isn't in the channel long enough for me to catch it every time | 19:05 |
| pgbridge | probably just +b them and leave a note | 19:05 |
| notmyname | yeah, if kicking doesn't work, I'll do that | 19:05 |
| notmyname | I've been talking with her via email over the last few weeks about contributing to swift, so I've got other channels by which to communicate | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | ok, now I've kicked both of the nicks. let's see if that makes the client do the right thing | 19:10 |
| pgbridge | hopefully | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | FWIW any core can op themselves and do channel management (ie the people currently voiced and with a + by their name [if your client shows that]) | 19:13 |
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| notmyname | nope :-( | 19:16 |
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| lifeless | notmyname: you need a ban not a kick | 19:20 |
| notmyname | lifeless: already done | 19:20 |
| lifeless | notmyname: oh; I thought you said you'd kicked the nicks. | 19:20 |
| lifeless | notmyname: I didn't realise you meant ban :) | 19:21 |
| notmyname | I tried that first. some clients won't necessarily keep reconnecting after a kick. that's what I was hoping for, but it didn't work | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | and I emailed her too | 19:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Peter Lisák proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Add content-type in list of container content https://review.openstack.org/241342 | 19:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/swift: Encrypting/Decrypting object metadata https://review.openstack.org/203310 | 19:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Lisák proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Add content-type in list of container content https://review.openstack.org/241342 | 19:42 |
| hrou | acoles, ^ The big refactor ready for review ? | 19:43 |
| acoles | hrou: yep. i still want to check over it some more. but i am pushing what i have before leaving tonight. would love review of that! there's a ton of TODO's but thats ok they will serve as reminders for future patches. | 19:44 |
| hrou | acoles, yep that's great, todo's are completely Ok (and newer patch sets make some changes anyway) awesome will start reviewing ! | 19:45 |
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| jrichli | acoles: thanks! will review asap | 19:46 |
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| acoles | jrichli: i made a change to the way content-type is handled. I dug into a couple of the failing tests (tesMetadataOnPost) and found why they failed. | 19:48 |
| acoles | jrichli: made a note here https://trello.com/c/mcp2Xkv3/59-update-content-type-handling-in-spec | 19:48 |
| acoles | hrou ^^ | 19:48 |
| jrichli | acoles: great, thanks! | 19:49 |
| acoles | it was down to a case where the content-type got re-encrypted on a POST with a new IV but the crypto meta did not get updated :/ | 19:50 |
| acoles | I think I fixed it but in process pushed some problems elsewhere so there's some hacky code in the decryper that I'd liek to improve | 19:50 |
| acoles | like | 19:50 |
| jrichli | acoles: interesting - bad over-sight. I will look over the trello changes tonight - i did get notified of the changes | 19:51 |
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| tdasilva | acoles, notmyname, clayg: this is the tool I was talking about the other night: https://wrgms.com/editing-files-remotely-via-ssh-on-sublimetext-3/ | 19:51 |
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| acoles | jrichli: well not really a bad oversight - its not obvious and its a "feature" of post-as-copy | 19:52 |
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| acoles | tdasilva: nice | 19:53 |
| jrichli | acoles: ah, ok. | 19:53 |
| acoles | jrichli: with fast-post (as it is on master) the problem gets reversed, possibly i.e. the sysmeta crypto meta would get updated but not the content-type on a POST! | 19:54 |
| acoles | hmmm, i wonder if that explains some of the test failures with crypto + fast post | 19:54 |
| hrou | acoles, ah very interesting; And here we thought fast-post would cause problems but that's not the case here; With fast-post though, we'd end up re-encrypting with a different obj key potentially? | 19:55 |
| jrichli | acoles: maybe that is why we may still have errors with fast-post ... which i still haven't validated yet since we have a keymaster that uses the same keys on PUT against the same path. | 19:55 |
| jrichli | pchng might be looking into that. I will make sure that he knows to test with your changes. | 19:55 |
| jrichli | hrou too - i didnt see it was you who said that last part | 19:56 |
| hrou | jrichli, who's pchng ? : ) | 19:57 |
| acoles | jrichli: hrou: same key is ok. its the IV changing on each PUT, POST that can cause the problem, if the new IV desn't get stashed along with updated content-type. or vice-versa. | 19:57 |
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| acoles | hrou: read my mind :) | 19:57 |
| hrou | acoles, ah right, that makes sense ! Same key / different key is fine its fine (if the key master delivers the right one) but the CRPYTO META was the trouble maker | 19:58 |
| jrichli | pchng has just started working on this feature | 19:58 |
| jrichli | from IBM, in Canada | 19:58 |
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| jrichli | he committed some improvements to the swiftstack crypto vagrant | 19:59 |
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| hrou | Oh cool ! Welcome pchng ! More Canadians' always a good thing : ) | 19:59 |
| acoles | hrou: yep. anyway, i think i have it fixed, just need to cleanup some of the exception handling. | 19:59 |
| jrichli | :-) | 19:59 |
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| acoles | jrichli: hrou: i'm done, have a good day | 19:59 |
| jrichli | acoles: thanks for the explaination | 19:59 |
| notmyname | now Zyric2?! | 19:59 |
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| hrou | acoles, great, starting to review the code. | 20:00 |
| jrichli | acoles; you too! | 20:00 |
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| jrichli | lol | 20:00 |
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| jrichli | persistent little client | 20:00 |
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| pgbridge | just bank the ip | 20:36 |
| pgbridge | *ban | 20:36 |
| pgbridge | or hostmask as it'd actually be | 20:37 |
| pgbridge | or do what you did | 20:37 |
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| notmyname | Zyric: there we go :-) | 21:11 |
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| Zyric | Thanks notmyname. Sorry about the connection issues last night, everyone! | 21:11 |
| notmyname | no worries. Zyric1 and Zyric2 are still banned (since that seems to be from your home laptop) | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | reminder to everyone that the time change has happened all over the world. our team meetings are still at 2100UTC. eg that moves it up one hour in the US | 21:19 |
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| clayg | you guys remember that one time I tried to be helpful and made handoffs first a useful mode? I don't think anyone ever looked at it... | 21:43 |
| clayg | oh and multiple-reconciler - should totally rebase that one | 21:45 |
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| clayg | minwoob: do you have any idea what cschwede is on about in patch 196848 | 21:46 |
| patchbot | clayg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196848/ - Optimization of the reconstructor for handling of ... | 21:46 |
| clayg | minwoob: I probably haven't acctually checked out the change and ran the probetests in a few revisions | 21:47 |
| clayg | minwoob: but if cschwede is right, and you can revert the changes in obj.reconstructor w/o at least one of the probetests failing - something isn't quite right... | 21:47 |
| notmyname | for patch in `search-patches --owner="clayg"`; do merge $patch; done; | 21:48 |
| clayg | nah, nothing quite that drastic | 21:48 |
| notmyname | for patch in `search-patches --owner="acoles"`; do merge $patch; done; | 21:48 |
| notmyname | ;-) | 21:48 |
| clayg | notmyname: oh yeah, that second one looks good | 21:49 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:49 |
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| clayg | love that feeling when I open a gerrit email with a really important sounding title only to click on the review link and see it merged | 21:51 |
| * clayg hugs swift-team | 21:52 | |
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| gmmaha | clayg: might i bother you with a quick Q regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1491676 | 21:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491676 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Reconstructor has some troubles with tombstones on full drives" [Medium,Confirmed] | 21:54 |
| clayg | sure | 21:54 |
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| gmmaha | I was trying to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1491675 which has the same symptoms as the above bug and to recreate the scenario i pushed objects that will fill up the drive and add more on the side onto the disk to completely fill it up | 21:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491675 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Different errors for REPLICATE vs. DELETE for same issue" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Ganesh Maharaj Mahalingam (ganesh-mahalingam) | 21:55 |
| gmmaha | and when i tried to delete the object that exists, it did delete it off the other nodes just not the one that is full | 21:56 |
| gmmaha | is that scenario something that we will never run into on a proper swift deployment? (guessing no one will side load stuff onto those drives) | 21:56 |
| gmmaha | :P | 21:56 |
| gmmaha | Just wondering if swift will ever fill up a disk that way to thge point it cant write the tomstone for file that it actually has to delete and exists | 21:57 |
| gmmaha | and pardon my english.. my punctuations seems to have gone on a vacation | 21:57 |
| torgomatic | gmmaha: yep, sure will. you can try to set fallocate_reserve, but it doesn't really help since rsync doesn't honor it | 21:58 |
| clayg | gmmaha: ^ like torgomatic said | 22:00 |
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| gmmaha | aaah | 22:02 |
| gmmaha | and the only way to recover from soemthign like this is manually flush the files? | 22:02 |
| torgomatic | well, you add capacity elsewhere and set a couple of replicator settings (I forget which ones exactly) so that replicators push objects elsewhere, thus freeing space | 22:03 |
| gmmaha | aaah ok. | 22:04 |
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| gmmaha | guess we need to beat rsync to start honoring the reserve allocations? Guessing ssync is replacing it for good for such reasons. | 22:05 |
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| notmyname | gmmaha: in general, we want better replication transport than rsync. we want to be in that data path so we can control the flow better. we've currently go about 3 different ways to do this in swift (rsync, ssync, and the way the hummingbird branch does it) | 22:23 |
| notmyname | 3 is too many, and last week we talked about what it would take to unify those | 22:24 |
| clayg | notmyname: https://xkcd.com/927/ <- next summit | 22:25 |
| notmyname | I don't expect any work on that to be completed soon, but that's the general long-term plan. we want to have internal data transport where we control things better | 22:25 |
| notmyname | clayg: now we have 4 ways to do replication transport! | 22:25 |
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| gmmaha | notmyname: thanks a lot for the explanation.. understand things a little bit more better now.. | 22:36 |
| notmyname | ancestry.com. any openstack story they have started with swift (ie their storage problems). basically any image you find on ancestry.com comes from swift. and they saved money by using swift. https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/videos/presentation/ancestrys-openstack-and-docker-journey | 22:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Fix missing *-replicator conf sections in deployment guide https://review.openstack.org/237013 | 22:51 |
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| notmyname | asettle: good morning. I'm planning on getting a basic swiftclient docs outline for you later this week. I've been doing other summit wrap-up so far this week | 22:54 |
| asettle | notmyname, morning! sounds good :) thank you. Email or etherpad? Did we decide on what we were doing? | 22:55 |
| notmyname | asettle: I'll make a first pass and email you, I think. then when we have a good framework, I think we'll be able to move to something more public (maybe even directly to code reviews) | 22:56 |
| joeljwright | notmyname: asettle: let me know what I can do to help | 22:56 |
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| asettle | *gasp* are we ALL awake at the same time? | 22:57 |
| asettle | This couldn't be. | 22:57 |
| joeljwright | I have an update to the current patch to fix a few issues | 22:57 |
| asettle | notmyname, thank you :) | 22:57 |
| notmyname | it will last for about 30 minute s;-) | 22:57 |
| asettle | joeljwright, sounds good. | 22:57 |
| joeljwright | it's only small but it should fix the merge conflict | 22:58 |
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| asettle | joeljwright, - has notmyname filled you in on our summit planning? Or have you seen anything? | 22:58 |
| notmyname | asettle: joeljwright: from my notes, the first thing to do is for me to make a rough outline for what needs to be done (from the topics on the etherpad) | 22:58 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: from my notes, the first thing to do is for me to | 22:58 |
| notmyname | asettle: nope. I haven't talked to joeljwright yet | 22:58 |
| joeljwright | I spoke to acoles this morning | 22:58 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swiftclient-docs | 22:58 |
| joeljwright | but it was very brief | 22:58 |
| notmyname | mis-paste earlier | 22:58 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: ah, good | 22:58 |
| asettle | Ah, well good timing :) | 22:58 |
| notmyname | I'm planning on taking the list at the bottom and turning it into a TODO list (or something more like that). then I want to work with asettle on a basic ToC tree for swiftclient docs | 22:59 |
| joeljwright | notmyname: I'll have a look through the etherpad | 22:59 |
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| notmyname | then we'll all be able to grab stuff and work on it as part of the normal dev flow | 22:59 |
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| joeljwright | notmyname: sounds like a great plan | 23:00 |
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| joeljwright | I'll do whatever I need to do to integrate the stuff we've already done | 23:00 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: and the other stuff around swiftclient is investigating keystone session objects (eran is looking at that) and also bumping the default auth version from v1 to v3 | 23:01 |
| joeljwright | there are some really nice suggestions in this etherpad | 23:01 |
| joeljwright | yeah, I spoke to acoles about that this morning too | 23:01 |
| notmyname | and even letting the auth version be discovered if it isn't explicitly given and OS_* options are used | 23:01 |
| notmyname | ok, good | 23:01 |
| joeljwright | there's certainly an issue about supporting v1 | 23:01 |
| notmyname | yeah, acoles_ had a good feel on how that should work | 23:01 |
| joeljwright | they talked about digging the auth object our of the keystone session | 23:02 |
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| joeljwright | s/our/out | 23:02 |
| joeljwright | would be interesting if that is possible | 23:02 |
| joeljwright | would let us support v1 auth in a similar way | 23:02 |
| jamielennox | why would you dig the auth object out? you loose things like auto reauth etc | 23:02 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: righ | 23:03 |
| asettle | Ah god I looked away from the computer for 5 seconds. | 23:03 |
| jamielennox | if you need help doing a v1 auth plugin i am around | 23:03 |
| joeljwright | jamielennox: it's that or wrapping the auth session in order to redirect for v1 auth | 23:03 |
| joeljwright | are you saying a plugin is possible to handle that too? | 23:03 |
| jamielennox | joeljwright: i don't know how v1 auth is done, but i've yet to find anything that the current plugins can't handle | 23:03 |
| joeljwright | (I'm going on second hand info atm) | 23:03 |
| notmyname | jamielennox: we already do all the reauth stuff anyway. we talked about a few different ways to tackle it, but the goal is basically to have one way that everything is done (v1-vN) | 23:03 |
| jamielennox | including like 3 phase saml auth | 23:04 |
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| notmyname | so one way is to dig out auth stuff from a session object. another is to implement a v1 handler for the session object (I believe ironic has done something like this) | 23:04 |
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| jamielennox | let me just have a look how you do v1 auth | 23:05 |
| notmyname | jamielennox: send 2 headers, look for 2 headers in the response | 23:05 |
| joeljwright | we should definitely take some time to discuss this | 23:05 |
| notmyname | and the first goal is probably to just accept a session object as a parameter and use it if it's there (so that apps using many openstack clients can share the same auth session) | 23:05 |
| jamielennox | notmyname: ok, that should be ~ trivial | 23:05 |
| joeljwright | sounds like a plan :) | 23:06 |
| jamielennox | to do this properly there's a little more than just a session object | 23:06 |
| clayg | torgomatic: idk, even with common helpers to build the data structures - if you invoke them in two different methods and then give the result a different name (tier2childen vs tier_tree) you loose a lot of that confidence that you *know* what this datastructure is when looking at it in a diff | 23:07 |
| jamielennox | https://github.com/openstack/keystoneauth/blob/master/keystoneauth1/adapter.py#L47 | 23:07 |
| jamielennox | ideally we take __init__(*args, **kwargs) | 23:07 |
| jamielennox | then do self.http = adapter.Adapter(*args, **kwargs) | 23:07 |
| jamielennox | then just make calls via self.http | 23:07 |
| jamielennox | that gives us a bunch of control around things like service catalog parsing, handling logging etc | 23:08 |
| notmyname | jamielennox: one thing we discovered is that the current docs for keystone session don't line up with how people say it can be used ;-) | 23:08 |
| joeljwright | I do like the session object model for making auth'd http requests | 23:08 |
| jamielennox | notmyname: that wouldn't exactly surprise me | 23:08 |
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| joeljwright | the docs are certainly a bit thin | 23:08 |
| joeljwright | :) | 23:09 |
| notmyname | docs say: get versioned auth, create session, get versioned client (same version) and then pass auth to the session and the session to the client. | 23:09 |
| jamielennox | yea, the adoption and patterns have grown and i need to go through them again | 23:09 |
| notmyname | people say: session object can take care of all of the different auth parameters for you and "magic" | 23:09 |
| jamielennox | umm, not directly via session | 23:10 |
| jamielennox | however there is a keystoneauth1.loading module that has a lot of helpers for how do you load these things from CLI or CONF | 23:10 |
| notmyname | so there's lots for us to learn on our side :-) | 23:10 |
| joeljwright | :) | 23:10 |
| jamielennox | so you still use them in that way, it's just whether you create it yourself or use the existing loading mechanismss | 23:10 |
| joeljwright | is there a good example I can look at? | 23:11 |
| notmyname | one thing we identified last week (although it's unsurprising) is that one of the main difficulties with using swiftclient is around auth. it's hard to find the right parameters and to know where to call them and to do all the right things with different versions | 23:11 |
| joeljwright | notmyname: that was one of the big things I learned when I tried to start writing the docs! | 23:11 |
| jamielennox | i have some side projects that do it well, unfortunately most people have so much backwards compatibility problems that it's not just a drop in | 23:11 |
| jamielennox | for example: https://github.com/jamielennox/os-http/blob/master/os_http/shell.py | 23:12 |
| notmyname | so it's not a feature to just "use keystone sessions" if all that gives us is a different way to do stuff we're already doing. what is interesting is if we get a way to "do auth" in such a way that we don't have to worry so much about PKI vs UUID or v3 vs v3 or tenant id vs tenant name vs domains vs projects | 23:14 |
| clayg | torgomatic: parts_wanted_at_tier parts_by_tier :'( | 23:14 |
| jamielennox | notmyname: right, saml auth, kerberos auth and a bunch of other stuff | 23:14 |
| minwoob | clayg: Thanks, yeah I noticed. I'll get back to that as soon as possible. | 23:14 |
| jamielennox | is the main reason i see for most people to want this now | 23:14 |
| clayg | bah, it's too much for me right now - i'll just let someone ding me for how inscrutiable it all is a review | 23:15 |
| clayg | minwoob: great! | 23:15 |
| notmyname | jamielennox: right now we've got a nice high-level SDK auth call that abstracts all those hard problems. but it doesn't currently support passing in a keystone session. so that's the first goal | 23:15 |
| notmyname | jamielennox: that way an app using more than one openstack client/sdk can auth once and it just works | 23:15 |
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| notmyname | jamielennox: and then after that I'm interested in what other benefits keystone sessions can bring | 23:16 |
| jamielennox | notmyname: ++ i'm fine with that, just for long term sake i'd prefer we didn't do it by digging around in session looking for tokens | 23:17 |
| joeljwright | jamielennox: message received :) | 23:17 |
| notmyname | jamielennox: that was only a brainstorm sort of idea given as we were discussing it last friday. no implementation details have been decided | 23:17 |
| jamielennox | notmyname: sure, i just got a highlight and thought i'd jump in | 23:18 |
| jamielennox | :) | 23:18 |
| joeljwright | jamielennox: thanks for the info | 23:18 |
| notmyname | jamielennox: thansk :-) | 23:18 |
| notmyname | you're welcome to jump in any time | 23:19 |
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| joeljwright | notmyname: unfortunately your prediction was correct - I need to head off. Thanks for the quick catch-up | 23:20 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: thanks for stopping by! | 23:20 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: we missed you last week | 23:20 |
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| notmyname | asettle: I'm guessing that you, joel, and me are all about 120 degrees apart on the globe. pretty much the hardest times to coordinate | 23:21 |
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| asettle | Yeah... unsure if that was the most thought out collaboration :p | 23:21 |
| pdardeau | clayg: on this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239534/, should i continue work on it? or would it be better to abandon it in favor of subsequent cleanup work? | 23:21 |
| notmyname | ow, wow. my guess was pretty close | 23:21 |
| asettle | But I need to start getting up earlier anyway, so if we need to chat, I can get up. | 23:22 |
| notmyname | London is basically at 0, SF is at 122W and Sydney is 151E | 23:22 |
| asettle | I'm just being a lazy sod who works from home. | 23:22 |
| asettle | Oh good. | 23:22 |
| asettle | That's just what you wanted to hear. | 23:22 |
| clayg | pdardeau: oh idk, sure keep at it! (?) | 23:22 |
| clayg | pdardeau: why'd you pick it up in the first place? | 23:22 |
| notmyname | asettle: no worries. AUS morning is only 3pm for me. so that still gives me at least a couple of hours before my EoD, plus any time I'm online in the evenings | 23:22 |
| notmyname | asettle: how long until your "shark bite" heals? | 23:23 |
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| pdardeau | clayg: the file showed a lower value for code coverage testing | 23:23 |
| clayg | pdardeau: ah - yeah well - the poor state of that test module is probably why :P | 23:24 |
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| asettle | notmyname, yeah okay! That works a little easier. We just have our issue with Joel :P I vote he moves | 23:24 |
| notmyname | lol | 23:24 |
| clayg | pdardeau: I think maybe avoiding it for fear of picking up bad habits is a sound strategy | 23:24 |
| asettle | Ahhh my "shark bite" will be out of its boot on ... Saturday | 23:24 |
| asettle | I hope :) | 23:24 |
| notmyname | it's 2:1 so it's settled | 23:24 |
| asettle | Good. Excellent voting. I'm all about democracy. | 23:24 |
| clayg | pdardeau: OTOH, trying to dig in and really fix some shit would also be appreciated | 23:24 |
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| clayg | a few drive by tests that just amplify the problem is sorta meh for me personally - but it's hardly your fault the module is such a mess - so if you wanna try and just do a little touch up and let it be that's probably ok too | 23:25 |
| pdardeau | clayg: what about doing new tests cleanly, and then open bug for future cleanup? | 23:25 |
| pdardeau | clayg: of existing (old) tests | 23:26 |
| clayg | reasonable - we have a lot of open issues in launchpad for real bugs tho - feels a little weird to open a launchpad bug for cleanup of tests - not sure - maybe better to just leave a comment in the code "Write new tests here according to this boss pattern I setup here, and if you wanna migrate one or two of those crap tests down here while your at it that's coo" | 23:28 |
| pdardeau | clayg: no launchpad is not used for to-do type stuff? | 23:32 |
| pdardeau | no -> so | 23:32 |
| notmyname | no | 23:32 |
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| pdardeau | notmyname: how are to-do type stuff tracked (other than the big-ticket stuff)? | 23:33 |
| notmyname | good question! | 23:33 |
| notmyname | honestly, there isn't yet a good way to do that | 23:34 |
| notmyname | it's something I'd like to solve during this cycle | 23:34 |
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| pdardeau | could there be a non-bug qualifier for entries in launchpad? | 23:35 |
| clayg | notmyname: in PT we use chores - not a bug or a feature - just work | 23:35 |
| notmyname | yeah. the closes thing in LP is blueprints, but those are pretty terrible (and definitely not something anyone uses) | 23:38 |
| notmyname | there's the ideas wiki page, but that's not really the same thing | 23:38 |
| * clayg channels peluse_ | 23:39 | |
| clayg | USE TRELLO! | 23:39 |
| notmyname | we've used trello for crypto/ec/policies | 23:39 |
| notmyname | lol | 23:39 |
| notmyname | speaking of peluse_, I don't think anyone's heard from him. did he make it back from japan? | 23:39 |
| notmyname | clayg: maybe the reality is that he was just trying to keep up with you thursday night! | 23:39 |
| clayg | looks like mahatic is offline :\ | 23:39 |
| notmyname | to be fair, it's 5am for mahatic | 23:40 |
| clayg | notmyname: that is nothing like reality - he was probably just still going on Friday | 23:42 |
| notmyname | :-) | 23:42 |
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| ho | good morning! | 23:48 |
| briancline | good evening :) | 23:52 |
| ho | braiancline: good evening :-) | 23:54 |
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