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| openstackgerrit | paul luse proposed a change to openstack/swift: Early framework for the EC Reconstructor https://review.openstack.org/106910 | 00:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | paul luse proposed a change to openstack/swift: Early framework for the EC Reconstructor https://review.openstack.org/106910 | 00:46 |
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| yuan | Hi, is it able to specify the number of replicas for one region? e.g. I have 4 replicas and 2 region, can i have 3 replicas stored in region 1 ? | 01:14 |
| peluse_ | yuan: you'll want to read up on Storage Policies introduced in Swift 2.0 at http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/overview_policies.html I will be offline for the rest of the night and a lot of tomorrow but there should be lots of folks that can help answer questions | 01:29 |
| yuan | peluse_: hmm, I'm afraid we cant do this with storage policy. Using new policies means we could store the different objects with different number of replicas, but what i need is to do is to config the replicas at region level, in this case it's the same object and the same container. | 01:42 |
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| hugokuo | morning ~ | 05:14 |
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| anand_ts | hello all, how can I upload a file in to a pseudo folder using command line? | 05:36 |
| hugokuo | anand_ts: what's pseudo folder mean ? | 05:38 |
| anand_ts | I created a container and inside that container I created a folder, Horizon says it is a pseudo folder | 05:40 |
| hugokuo | anand_ts: ah ok... I understand now | 05:41 |
| hugokuo | anand_ts: are you going to upload a file via swift CLI ? | 05:41 |
| anand_ts | hugokuo: yes. I want to upload a file using swift cli | 05:41 |
| anand_ts | hugokuo: but file should be moved to a folder inside container | 05:42 |
| hugokuo | anand_ts: The simplest way : 1. Create a folder locally 2. put the file into the folder. 3. swift upload $container $folder_name | 05:44 |
| hugokuo | done ......... perfect ! | 05:44 |
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| anand_ts | hugokuo: That works perfect :) Also If I want to delete a pseudo folder through dashboard it says Error: You are not allowed to delete object: test | 05:45 |
| hugokuo | anand_ts: it's odd tho. You should able to delete it via CLI | 05:47 |
| hugokuo | anand_ts: prolly a bug on Horizan | 05:47 |
| anand_ts | hugokuo: I can delete entire container via, but not a specific pseudo folder I guess | 05:47 |
| hugokuo | anand_ts: I do not use Horizon tho. Here's my output of the operation with Swift CLI http://paste.openstack.org/show/86507/ | 05:50 |
| anand_ts | hugokuo: Thank you. let me try that | 05:51 |
| hugokuo | The pseudo folder just another object. You can delete any object as your will anytime | 05:51 |
| mattoliverau | anand_ts: a pseudo folder is confusing because it is really just a prefix to the object name, according to the documentation: http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-object-storage/1.0/content/folders-directories.html | 05:56 |
| mattoliverau | So you should be able to just specify the path (directory) as part of the object name in the path. | 05:58 |
| anand_ts | mattoliverau: yes it works,I forgot to give exact path earlier. | 06:01 |
| mattoliverau | :) | 06:01 |
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| anand_ts | mattoliverau: Is it possible to customize horizon such that only object store panel should only be available. there is no image, volume, instance overview should be there in horizon dashboard. | 06:46 |
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| Dev_Jin | I want to access swift storage with non admin tenant.. can I do that? I am unable to find anything on how to do it? I can access it with admin user | 07:00 |
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| anand_ts | Dev_Jin: edit your /etc/swift/proxy-server.conf file. set your non-admin tenant user role here in operator_rules like this http://paste.openstack.org/show/86513/ | 07:14 |
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| Dev_Jin | thanks anand_ts.. I created a new role swiftoperator and associated it with my required tenant. this way I can get more granular control on which of the tenants can access swift store | 07:19 |
| anand_ts | Dev_Jin: Okay. | 07:21 |
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| mattoliverau | Morning all | 08:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Oliver proposed a change to openstack/swift: Add object-server partial write prevention tests https://review.openstack.org/101743 | 09:26 |
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| msahin | hi everyone | 10:08 |
| msahin | ı enter this channel first | 10:09 |
| msahin | and ı ask a question openstack swift | 10:09 |
| msahin | I have a problem with invalid user token - rejecting request | 10:11 |
| msahin | if ı want to check object url on browser ı take this error | 10:12 |
| msahin | ı make configuration step by step and ı open a question openstack forum | 10:12 |
| msahin | question link is https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/42556/invalid-user-token-rejecting-request | 10:12 |
| msahin | can you help me? | 10:13 |
| msahin | good works... | 10:13 |
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| madhuri | Hi, can anyone tell me whats the use of hashes.pkl file? | 10:33 |
| msahin | hashes.pkl file ? | 10:33 |
| madhuri | yes | 10:34 |
| msahin | ı search my system and find alot of file in /srv/* | 10:35 |
| madhuri | Yeah, object server maintains that file | 10:35 |
| msahin | and ı dont understand which you say | 10:36 |
| madhuri | What's the use? | 10:36 |
| msahin | for a file | 10:36 |
| msahin | <80>^B}q^AU^Cbc5q^BU 9ea8686625ce49552883b194ab661ac8q^Cs. | 10:36 |
| msahin | this is written in that file | 10:37 |
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| msahin | what can ı understand tahat | 10:38 |
| msahin | ? | 10:38 |
| msahin | and how can ı learn that you say | 10:38 |
| msahin | ? | 10:38 |
| madhuri | That file stores the hash directories created during object upload | 10:39 |
| anand_ts | madhuri, read this http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/overview_replication.html . it make some sense? | 10:41 |
| msahin | so what can ı do now | 10:41 |
| madhuri | anand_ts: Thanks :) | 10:42 |
| anand_ts | madhuri: yw! | 10:44 |
| msahin | madhuri what can ı do ? | 10:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed a change to openstack/python-swiftclient: Allow to retrieve response from put_container https://review.openstack.org/87575 | 14:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed a change to openstack/swift: Enable object system metadata on PUTs https://review.openstack.org/79991 | 15:10 |
| notmyname | good morning | 15:10 |
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| notmyname | yay, the register is still snarky ;-) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/15/openstack_swift_gets_storage_policies/ | 15:51 |
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| jokke_ | notmyname: :) | 16:04 |
| jokke_ | notmyname: well how do they say, All publicity is good publicity | 16:04 |
| notmyname | which is not true, but I am glad the register is talking about swift :-) | 16:04 |
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| jokke_ | tru ... and even admitting that it could succeed in real production ... something done right there :P | 16:06 |
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| mattoliverau | good afternoon all from a beer garden! | 16:16 |
| notmyname | guten tag ;-) | 16:17 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: can't please everyone (re register) | 16:17 |
| notmyname | heh. I think the past 4 years of swift demonstrates that we've never tried to please everyone ;-) | 16:18 |
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| mattoliverau | Wow, I'm surrounded by German :p guten arbend notmyname | 16:18 |
| mattoliverau | Lol | 16:18 |
| torgomatic | hm, so how long until we can get rid of rsync entirely in favor of ssync? | 16:20 |
| torgomatic | I have things I want to do with object metadata, but I can't make them (a) performant after hundreds of POSTs, (b) atomic, and (c) rsyncable | 16:21 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: aren't you just writing all your new features for ssync and then some day someone will drop in here and ask about replication with rsync and everyone will say "wait, people still do that" ;-) | 16:21 |
| torgomatic | I can get the first two though :) | 16:21 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: if we can demonstrate that (1) ssync is at least as good as rsync, perf and scalability wise and (2) new improvements go to ssync, I think we should consider switching the default right after the juno release | 16:23 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: yeah, but not being horribly craptacular with rsync is still a prerequisite, and I can't meet it :| | 16:24 |
| notmyname | but I'd also prefer a lot of input from gholt, dfg, and creiht since they are looking at it at bigger scale | 16:24 |
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| acoles | torgomatic: i reached same conclusion re rsync :( | 16:29 |
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| torgomatic | acoles: yup... I can make it work, but it would require N .meta files for N POSTs, and even with some kind of rolled-up metadata cache thing, that'll have terrible performance | 16:31 |
| notmyname | reminder that the swift team meeting tomorrow and we'll be going over the patches on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews again. also, we need to do better about getting specs docs landed faster. | 16:33 |
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| notmyname | FYI, the openstack technical committee has, over the years, generated a set of requirements for new projects. now that those requirements are pretty steady-state, they are doing a gap-analysis of the already-integrated projects. the questions (an my answers) are at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_gap_analysis | 17:16 |
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| cpjjl | Hi. Please could someone explain to me the difference between node_timeout and client_timeout in swift’s code? I don’t get what the documentation means by “Request timeout to external services”. | 18:15 |
| notmyname | cpjjl: sure | 18:15 |
| notmyname | cpjjl: the client (ie end user) talks to the proxy. the proxy talks to storage nodes. | 18:15 |
| notmyname | cpjjl: the client_timeout is the delay on receiving data from the end user. the node_timeout is the opposite | 18:16 |
| notmyname | eg if you tell the proxy with a content-length header that you are sending 100 bytes and you send 90 then sleep for a while, the client_timeout will trigger and the connection will be closed | 18:17 |
| notmyname | if you request data from swift and a node dies in the middle of sending the response, the proxy will catch the node_timeout and get the rest of the data from a different node | 18:18 |
| notmyname | cpjjl: and there's also a connection timeout that is just on the time for the proxy to establish a connection (ie tcp handshake) with a storage node. you'll notice that its value is much smaller | 18:18 |
| notmyname | cpjjl: make sense? | 18:18 |
| cpjjl | Yeah, thanks notmyname | 18:19 |
| cpjjl | So, client_timeout is for data that come from the end user, and node_timeout is for data that come from a node. Is that right? | 18:20 |
| notmyname | cpjjl: yup | 18:21 |
| clayg | torgomatic: account and container still gunna use rsync? | 18:22 |
| cpjjl | and node_timeout is smaller because nodes are supposed to be more reliable than end users. Is that right? | 18:22 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: python2.6 jobs are failing due to bug 1342262 "virtualenv>=1.9.1 not found" A fix is out but there are still nodes built on the old stale images | 18:23 | |
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| Tyger | Heh I was about to ask about the py26 failures. | 18:23 |
| notmyname | cpjjl: ya, pretty much. also because, in general, nodes are a lot closer, network-wise, than clients. eg many times they are in the same rack, if not the same DC. instead of the client which many times is a mobile phone or web browser | 18:23 |
| clayg | torgomatic: acoles_away: you guys are gunna do the rollup in the hash_dir_cleanup anyway right? just use a two vecotr timestamp - you have enough bits you could probably fit an md5 of the contents in the offset. | 18:24 |
| clayg | torgomatic: acoles_away: as long as the files that get rsynced over have a different name and include all the rolled up per key times the other side should be able to slide it into his biz when he rolls up? | 18:25 |
| ahale | yeah cpjjl you also want to fail over internally for handoff etc. faster than a client will timeout, for availability | 18:28 |
| cpjjl | got it | 18:29 |
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| cpjjl | but will the proxy catch a client_timeout if a client dies while *receiving* data? | 18:42 |
| cpjjl | I mean, notmyname, what matters is who is faulty rather than who send the data, right? | 18:44 |
| notmyname | cpjjl: IIRC that would be caught by the overall connection timeout. that defaults to a full day. so make sure you close your connection in less than 24 hours after you open it | 18:45 |
| notmyname | I gotta run for a bit. I'll be back in probably about 90 minutes | 18:45 |
| cpjjl | ok thanks | 18:48 |
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| torgomatic | clayg: yeah, that'd be okay until you get an object that's been POSTed to 1000s of times; then all that rollup checking stuff gets real expensive | 19:33 |
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| clayg | torgomatic: well i mean you'd do it every post in hash dir cleanup or listdir cleanup or whatever it's called | 19:39 |
| clayg | torgomatic: i mean the format in the file would have to be all (timestamp, key): value - but you could always throw out timestamps that are older for that key or something - right? | 19:39 |
| torgomatic | clayg: maybe? I guess I need to think about it more with the 2-part timestamps in mind | 19:40 |
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| tatialchueyr | hi guys, I'm new to swift and I have a question regarding StatsdClient (swift/common/utils) - is anyone aware of this part of the code? | 19:54 |
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| torgomatic | tatialchueyr: what's the question? | 20:30 |
| tatialchueyr | torgomatic: Considering statsd is enabled, each time something is logged, a new socket is being opened. | 20:32 |
| torgomatic | yes | 20:32 |
| tatialchueyr | torgomatic: if we reused the same socket, we could improve the performance | 20:33 |
| tatialchueyr | torgomatic: is there any reason for opening a new socket each time? | 20:34 |
| torgomatic | tatialchueyr: we started with that; unfortunately, you could get two greenthreads performing concurrent(ish) writes to the same socket, resulting in errors from Eventlet and garbled data | 20:34 |
| tatialchueyr | torgomatic: I see :/ | 20:36 |
| torgomatic | tatialchueyr: possibly we could have used a pool of sockets that greenthreads could check out, use, and return, but nobody's made that effort | 20:36 |
| creiht | the memcache middleware basically does that | 20:38 |
| tatialchueyr | I'm interested in contributing to this | 20:38 |
| creiht | for an example of how you might do that | 20:38 |
| tatialchueyr | that sounds perfect, I'll try to implement this and will keep in touch with you here, if I find any problem, ok? | 20:39 |
| creiht | tatialchueyr: anyone in this channel should be able to help you :) | 20:39 |
| tatialchueyr | thank you very much! | 20:40 |
| tatialchueyr | will any of you be at OSCON? | 20:41 |
| notmyname | tatialchueyr: I haven't heard of anyone going. at least people that lurk in here | 20:41 |
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| tatialchueyr | well, no problem, I'll keep you informed here | 20:42 |
| tatialchueyr | thakns a lot! :) | 20:42 |
| notmyname | tatialchueyr: looking forward to it :-) | 20:44 |
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| tatialchueyr | :) | 21:03 |
| notmyname | tatialchueyr: out of curiosity, why solve this problem? is this an issue you are seeing in a swift cluster that you have? or is this a way you're looking to get involved in an open-source project? | 21:05 |
| tatialchueyr | notmyname: there was a real issue related to this | 21:06 |
| notmyname | tatialchueyr: ah, ok (sorry you had the issue, but I'm thrilled to see patches in response to production issues) | 21:06 |
| notmyname | tatialchueyr: can you share anything about the use case or the cluster or just the problem you saw? | 21:07 |
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| tatialchueyr | notmyname: sure :) I will just check with my boss about how far I can tell | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | tatialchueyr: cool, ok :-) | 21:08 |
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| tatialchueyr | notmyname: ok, I can tell you more details :) | 21:12 |
| tatialchueyr | notmyname: in front of our statsd we have a load balancer | 21:13 |
| notmyname | yay | 21:13 |
| tatialchueyr | notmyname: this load balancer limits the number of connections we are allowed to make | 21:13 |
| tatialchueyr | notmyname: apparently, to generate its statistics of usage, this load balancer caches the tuples <client:port> to <server:port> | 21:14 |
| notmyname | and so the LB ran out of slots to store it? | 21:15 |
| tatialchueyr | exactly | 21:15 |
| tatialchueyr | we realized that many messages were being lost | 21:15 |
| tatialchueyr | and increased this config | 21:15 |
| tatialchueyr | up to 20k | 21:16 |
| tatialchueyr | messages stoped being lost | 21:16 |
| tatialchueyr | but the server suffered, and we are afraid that if we have more usage of swift, the LB will run out of slots | 21:16 |
| tatialchueyr | notmyname: do you see any other possible solution, despite reusing the sockets? | 21:17 |
| peluse_ | .query notmyname | 21:19 |
| notmyname | peluse_: no rows returned | 21:20 |
| peluse_ | nice | 21:20 |
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| peluse_ | the . and the / are just too damned close together | 21:20 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | tatialchueyr: I wonder if it's possible to use a local collector for statsd and use local unix sockets for the traffic | 21:21 |
| tatialchueyr | notmyname: the company where I work is huge and all services are provided in two machines at least, due to availability concerns... the default solution for this is to have the load balancer in front | 21:24 |
| ahale | lowering overall socket usage (or making a subset more predictable) on proxies seems like a pretty good thing in itself though | 21:24 |
| tatialchueyr | notmyname: unfortunately, this load balancer is a black box to us :/ | 21:24 |
| notmyname | tatialchueyr: ya that makes sense. I'm not sure what I said is reasonable or not. but ya what ahale said :-) | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | tatialchueyr: I was thinking along the lines of how to break the problem into smaller pieces | 21:25 |
| notmyname | overall, reducing socket usage, especially on the proxy, is a really good thing overall that will benefit the entire community | 21:26 |
| tatialchueyr | notmyname: I negotiated with my company to work on this (pool of sockets to be used by the greenthreads) for a few hours during work | 21:27 |
| tatialchueyr | notmyname: next week I'll be at OSCON during the whole week and I'm willing to work on this issue there | 21:27 |
| tatialchueyr | notmyname: as I'm total newbie at Swift source code, it might take some time, but the possibility of studying memcache middleware and trying to adapt the behavior to this issue seams a start | 21:28 |
| notmyname | tatialchueyr: great. please feel free to ask any questions you have | 21:30 |
| tatialchueyr | notmyname: I'll surely forward to you guys, thanks a lot! | 21:30 |
| notmyname | tatialchueyr: any chance you can share what you use swift for? | 21:31 |
| tatialchueyr | notmyname: we are trying to replace a proprietary filer using swift | 21:32 |
| notmyname | ah, interesting. how are you talking to swift? rewriting the apps to speak swift or do you have some FS->swift adapter? | 21:33 |
| notmyname | what kind of files? pictures? backups? videos? | 21:33 |
| tatialchueyr | notmyname: we have nginx in front of swift, and apps are talking directly through it | 21:34 |
| notmyname | /queue normal "nginx in front of swift" response | 21:35 |
| tatialchueyr | notmyname: currrent mostly static files used by our several internet portals, but the idea is to use it for more usages, including storing VM images | 21:35 |
| notmyname | very cool | 21:35 |
| tatialchueyr | notmyname: is there a better way of serving swift, than having a nginx in front of it? | 21:36 |
| notmyname | tatialchueyr: beware that nginx spools uploads, so it can be a serious bottleneck on file uploads when it's used in front of swift. best-practice among most people here is to use haproxy for load balancing | 21:36 |
| notmyname | and some of us pass through the ssl to the proxy and terminate there and others terminate ssl at the load balancer | 21:37 |
| notmyname | tatialchueyr: what version of swift are you using? | 21:38 |
| tatialchueyr | notmyname: currently 1.13.0 | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | ah, good. that actually tells me a lot :-) | 21:39 |
| notmyname | first up, it tells me that you aren't using distro packages and are paying attention to the upstream code :-) | 21:40 |
| notmyname | (which I like to hear) | 21:40 |
| tatialchueyr | notmyname: :) | 21:40 |
| zaitcev | RHELOSP 5 shipped yesterday with 1.13.1 | 21:41 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: ah, good to know | 21:42 |
| tatialchueyr | well, I'll do my best on this task and will keep you informed | 21:43 |
| tatialchueyr | thanks a lot for all your support | 21:43 |
| notmyname | tatialchueyr: happy to help | 21:43 |
| notmyname | tatialchueyr: you haven't contributed code yet, have you? need anything to get started? | 21:44 |
| tatialchueyr | notmyname: not to swift or openstack..! I've downloaded devstack and it is running fine in my local machine | 21:45 |
| tatialchueyr | notmyname: I didn't check the docs yet, about how to run the project tests - so I won't bother you before I have this set :) | 21:46 |
| notmyname | tatialchueyr: cool. that's an ok start, but I'd recommend using the Swift all-in-one (SAIo) for swift dev work. either http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/development_saio.html or https://github.com/swiftstack/vagrant-swift-all-in-one | 21:46 |
| notmyname | tatialchueyr: the vagrant SAIO is by far the fastest way to get a swift dev environment up and running | 21:47 |
| tatialchueyr | notmyname: fantastic, will work on this :) | 21:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | paul luse proposed a change to openstack/swift: Initial Erasure Code Docs https://review.openstack.org/104713 | 22:08 |
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| JoshNang | hey guys, can I get reviews on adding temp urls to the client: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102632/? We're hoping to integrate this into Ironic to make deploys better | 23:00 |
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