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| openstackgerrit | Ifat Afek proposed openstack/releases master: Release Vitrage deliverables https://review.openstack.org/637623 | 08:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chandan Kumar proposed openstack/releases master: release telemetry-tempest-plugin 0.2.0 https://review.openstack.org/638118 | 09:57 |
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| chkumar|ruck | Hello | 10:09 |
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| jlibosva | smcginnis: hi, can you please revisit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/635536/ ? It lacks +W and already has +1 from the PTL | 12:42 |
| smcginnis | jlibosva: Thanks, will do. | 12:43 |
| jlibosva | smcginnis: thank you very much! :) | 12:43 |
| smcginnis | And done | 12:43 |
| jlibosva | awesome! thanks! | 12:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release kolla 6.2.0 https://review.openstack.org/635536 | 12:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/releases master: TripleO: minor release for rocky https://review.openstack.org/637858 | 14:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/releases master: TripleO: Minor release for queens https://review.openstack.org/637857 | 14:49 |
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| kmrchdn | smcginnis: Hello | 15:48 |
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| smcginnis | Hey | 15:48 |
| chandankumar | smcginnis: is it possible to release telemety-tempest-plugin for queens? I have proposed for rocky here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/638118/ | 15:48 |
| chandankumar | smcginnis: there is no place holder but in RDO, we need the same chanes for queens | 15:48 |
| smcginnis | chandankumar: Normally we don't like to add deliverables to a stable release cycle, but I think for something like a tempest-plugin that's OK. Especially if there is a downstream consumer need for it. | 15:49 |
| chandankumar | smcginnis: sure, I will propose a seperate patch for the same, thanks :-) | 15:50 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chandan Kumar proposed openstack/releases master: release telemetry-tempest-plugin 0.2.0 https://review.openstack.org/638118 | 16:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chandan Kumar proposed openstack/releases master: Release telemetry-tempest-plugin 0.2.0 for queens https://review.openstack.org/638191 | 16:09 |
| chandankumar | smcginnis: ^^ | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | chandankumar: You can't use the same version number as a later release though. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | Looks like it would have to be a 0.0.x version. | 16:10 |
| chandankumar | 0.0.1 is for rocky | 16:11 |
| chandankumar | smcginnis: what about 0.0.1.1 something like that? | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | chandankumar: No, rocky is 0.1.0. That's why you will need a 0.0.x version. | 16:11 |
| chandankumar | I yes correct | 16:12 |
| chandankumar | so 0.0.1 might be good | 16:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Chandan Kumar proposed openstack/releases master: Release telemetry-tempest-plugin 0.0.1 for queens https://review.openstack.org/638191 | 16:13 |
| chandankumar | smcginnis: thanks :-) | 16:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/releases master: Update process with command line instruction https://review.openstack.org/638237 | 18:57 |
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| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, dhellmann, so evrardjp and I got the list of cwi projects that havent released yet. | 18:59 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, you wanted it for the weekly email? | 18:59 |
| diablo_rojo | Or do we need to go bother them? | 18:59 |
| evrardjp | diablo_rojo: I think https://review.openstack.org/638237 can be improved with other people's output. We should just go through that page toghether, and see if each step as a CLI tool -- if there is none, write the script that goes with it? | 19:00 |
| evrardjp | what's your opinion? | 19:00 |
| diablo_rojo | +2 from me :) | 19:01 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Yes, we just needed that for the weekly email. Let me get that started, then you can just dump the list in there for now and I can reformat things as needed. | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, http://paste.openstack.org/show/745495/ | 19:04 |
| smcginnis | Did we have a switch to exclude tempest plugin projects from that output? | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo | No..? | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | tox -e venv -- list-deliverables --unreleased --model cycle-with-intermediary | 19:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/releases master: Update process with command line instruction https://review.openstack.org/638237 | 19:08 |
| evrardjp | diablo_rojo: we can | 19:09 |
| evrardjp | smcginnis: those tempest plugins are a different type | 19:09 |
| evrardjp | correct? | 19:09 |
| smcginnis | Yeah | 19:10 |
| smcginnis | I think we may want list-deliverables --unreleased --model cycle-with-intermediary --type client-library --type horizon-plugin --type other --series stein | 19:10 |
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| smcginnis | Actually, I don't think we need --series | 19:11 |
| evrardjp | smcginnis: oh we can chain types | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh thats good to know | 19:11 |
| evrardjp | (haven't checked the code) | 19:11 |
| smcginnis | We may not want --type other either. | 19:11 |
| evrardjp | and no library? | 19:12 |
| smcginnis | That gives a little more what I was expecting to see. | 19:12 |
| smcginnis | http://paste.openstack.org/show/745496/ | 19:12 |
| evrardjp | so the types we need are horizon-plugin, client-library, horizon-plugin, but not library? | 19:12 |
| evrardjp | I am confused | 19:12 |
| smcginnis | Library (theoretically) should be OK since we trigger those releases at the milestones as long as they have any significant changes merged. | 19:13 |
| smcginnis | Although, let me check what that gives us. | 19:13 |
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| evrardjp | oh true | 19:13 |
| evrardjp | me silly | 19:13 |
| smcginnis | Oh, it does pick up a few that may be interesting. | 19:14 |
| evrardjp | except if they are hanging for reviews for some time | 19:14 |
| smcginnis | We should probably include those I guess. Then it might trigger some conversations as to whether a few of these may make more sense as independent instead of cycle-based now. | 19:14 |
| smcginnis | I don't think we need a mox3 release every cycle. | 19:14 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, or reviews. It could trigger them to realize they need to get out and review anything outstanding so they are ready for a release. | 19:15 |
| evrardjp | http://paste.openstack.org/show/745498/ is what you are taling about right? | 19:15 |
| diablo_rojo | So you need client-library, horizon-plugin, and other? | 19:15 |
| evrardjp | diablo_rojo: I would say for safety we would need library then | 19:15 |
| evrardjp | too | 19:15 |
| smcginnis | Honestly not sure about other. | 19:16 |
| smcginnis | I really don't like that classification because it makes it hard to tell what those actually are. | 19:16 |
| evrardjp | what is other? | 19:16 |
| evrardjp | ahah ok | 19:16 |
| smcginnis | Some are ansible and tripleo, which makes sense for deployment projects that are treated a little differently. | 19:16 |
| smcginnis | But then there's bifrost and murano-agent. | 19:16 |
| evrardjp | but I am curious why we skip tempest plugins... Those are not tagged? | 19:16 |
| smcginnis | Which I'm not really sure if they are libs or something else. | 19:17 |
| smcginnis | Tempest plugins really just need to be tagged at the end of the cycle so there is a record of what is expected to work with an older version of tempest. | 19:17 |
| evrardjp | I mean I see a reason to push those plugins to be tagged for deployers | 19:17 |
| smcginnis | I've just recently realized deployers were using those. I don't know if that was entirely intended. | 19:18 |
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| evrardjp | smcginnis: well most of the time it makes more sense to use master for tempest | 19:19 |
| evrardjp | and its plugins | 19:19 |
| evrardjp | AFAIK | 19:19 |
| smcginnis | Might be useful to have dhellmann's and ttx's historical take on some of these. | 19:19 |
| evrardjp | but it happens, on a very seldom occasions... breakages... which would warrant using a more stable interface for those | 19:19 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: Yeah, when it was proposed to tag those there was some pushback because of that. | 19:19 |
| evrardjp | I can remember a few things that happened in OSA where a tag inside the release cycle would have helped us | 19:20 |
| smcginnis | The only reason it was decided to tag them in the first place was in case someone was using an older version of tempest, then though could find out what version of a plugin they should really be using with it. | 19:20 |
| evrardjp | it's kinda weird when we think about it | 19:20 |
| smcginnis | I suppose it doesn't hurt to include the rest, but I don't think we want to push people to tag the tempest plugins yet if they are not ready. | 19:21 |
| evrardjp | releases has to do things because a breakage/non stable interface was introduced | 19:21 |
| evrardjp | makes sense | 19:21 |
| smcginnis | So I guess I would use list-deliverables --unreleased --model cycle-with-intermediary --type client-library --type horizon-plugin --type library --type other | 19:21 |
| evrardjp | maybe | grep -v requirements | 19:22 |
| dhellmann | "other" is meant for anything that doesn't have special rules | 19:22 |
| dhellmann | at least that's how it started out | 19:22 |
| evrardjp | or grep -v -e requirements -e tempest ? | 19:22 |
| diablo_rojo | With library, client-library, horizon-plugin, and other, I get this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/745499/ | 19:23 |
| evrardjp | the whole reason we are discussing this, is because there is obviously things that are tribal knowledge :D | 19:23 |
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| smcginnis | evrardjp: Yep, I think you are correct. | 19:24 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: That looks right. | 19:25 |
| evrardjp | should we document that call somewhere, and explain why this call? | 19:25 |
| evrardjp | in process I mean | 19:25 |
| diablo_rojo | evrardjp, I think you can just update your patch right? | 19:26 |
| diablo_rojo | But yeah, might be good to add a sentence as to why these types | 19:26 |
| smcginnis | Actually.... | 19:27 |
| evrardjp | I think my patch is not for this call | 19:27 |
| evrardjp | I think this whole call is not in the process at all | 19:27 |
| smcginnis | I wonder if we should keep this list limited to just --type library so we keep it focused on the current deadline for non-client lib freeze. | 19:27 |
| evrardjp | or am I mistaken? | 19:27 |
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| smcginnis | Then do another in the countdown before the client lib freeze for those things. | 19:28 |
| smcginnis | So maybe "list-deliverables --unreleased --model cycle-with-intermediary --type library --type other | grep -v -e requirements -e tempest" this week. | 19:30 |
| smcginnis | Then "list-deliverables --unreleased --model cycle-with-intermediary --type client-library --type horizon-plugin" next week. | 19:30 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Thoughts? ^ | 19:30 |
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| evrardjp | smcginnis: mmm ... I understand for the focus part, but for the PTL effort I guess it makes sense to release both? | 19:30 |
| dhellmann | this feels complicated enough to add a new mode to list-deliverables | 19:30 |
| smcginnis | Yeah. | 19:30 |
| smcginnis | list-deliverables --lib-freeze-report :) | 19:31 |
| dhellmann | right | 19:31 |
| dhellmann | maybe 2 modes, since we need a different list next week | 19:31 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: I think we could list the libs now and warn that the client freeze is coming up. Then list the client libs later. | 19:31 |
| evrardjp | but do we? | 19:32 |
| evrardjp | ok | 19:32 |
| dhellmann | the lists look pretty complete | 19:32 |
| evrardjp | maybe in the reminder we should already say "you should think about the client-library too if you didn't think of it? | 19:32 |
| evrardjp | about your client libraries/horizon plugins* | 19:33 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: Yeah, that's part of the tasks for this week to mention in the countdown. | 19:33 |
| evrardjp | If I were to do this, I would totally prefer something fully automated where I can just "review" things, and focus on getting things in by the right time | 19:33 |
| smcginnis | Can you elaborate on that? Not sure if I follow. | 19:34 |
| evrardjp | It's late, and I should eat and have a beer | 19:34 |
| evrardjp | it seems I am becoming grumpy. | 19:34 |
| evrardjp | and unclear | 19:35 |
| smcginnis | :) | 19:35 |
| evrardjp | not sure the beer would help on that last point though. | 19:35 |
| smcginnis | If I had ready access to Belgium beer, I would be drinking it already. ;) | 19:35 |
| * evrardjp opens fridge | 19:35 | |
| smcginnis | We can talk it through some more in the meeting tomorrow. For now I'll put the non-client things in the countdown email etherpad and we can take a look and see if the rest looks good. | 19:37 |
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| notmyname | I'd like to tag several backport releases. can I do it all in one patch, or should I split them up? | 22:16 |
| smcginnis | notmyname: That's fine to include them all in one. | 22:17 |
| notmyname | yay! | 22:17 |
| smcginnis | Efficiency! | 22:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Dickinson proposed openstack/releases master: swift stable backport releases https://review.openstack.org/638281 | 22:27 |
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