Friday, 2018-10-05

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EvilienMrelease-managers: do you mind if we push a first stein tag for tripleo projects14:18
EvilienMwe need a new nvr asap to start testing upgrades14:18
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ttxNo particular objection from me14:27
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* ttx wonders if that could cause validation problems... We'll know if you propose it14:27
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openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/releases master: First tag for TripleO Stein  https://review.openstack.org/60828214:52
EvilienMmwhahaha: ^14:53
ttxdhellmann: we seem to have an agenda for the meeting, so I guess we should have one ? happy to chair if needed14:58
ttxok, we said we'd do it async here instead15:09
evrardjpI see there are reviews up there in the etherpad.15:17
evrardjpsorry for highjacking the conversation but could someone explain https://review.openstack.org/#/c/607704/1/openstack_releases/project_config.py , and why the first one has publish-to-pypi vs publish-to-pypi-python3 ?15:17
evrardjpI am confused15:18
dhellmannttx: sorry, I stepped away15:18
ttxdhellmann: I'll be mostly off next week (and definitely missing the meeting) so we could do a quick sync now15:19
dhellmannI mostly wanted to make sure folks saw those code patches to approve15:19
ttxdhellmann: is there any reason to further hold on approving the "Switch to cycle-with-rc" series https://review.openstack.org/#/c/606860/15:19
dhellmannwe haven't solved the upgrade version number issue that the RH team raised but I don't know if that's a reason to block15:20
ttxhmm, ok , then maybe we can keep it for smcginnis to approve early next week15:20
ttxI also ran a quick analysis of who abused the cycle-with-intermediary model in Rocky15:21
dhellmannI haven't had any new ideas on how to solve that problem. Have you given it any thought?15:21
ttx(by essentially doing a single release at the end of the cycle)15:21
evrardjpttx: tell us more :D15:21
dhellmannthat list isn't so bad15:21
ttxWe end up with the usual suspects in there15:21
dhellmannevrardjp : line 68 of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stein-relmgt-tracking15:21
ttx(the ones we end up having to chase down at the end of the cycle to make sure they will do one)15:22
ttxI'm sure some of then will not like the idea of switching to milestone-based around milestone-2 if nothing is done yet15:22
openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/releases master: stop supporting legacy release jobs  https://review.openstack.org/60770415:23
ttxthem*15:23
dhellmannyeah, we just need to make sure they're aware15:23
dhellmannI know the telemetry team is pretty thin these days15:23
mriedemdhellmann: smcginnis: nova is ready to cut the final ocata release and tag with ocata-em - i know how to do the release, but is the tag going to be something special?15:24
dhellmannmriedem : add the ocata-em tag to a separate patch in the deliverable file in openstack/releases15:24
ttxIt's also interesting to see that most of them have been doing that (one release per cycle) for a few cycles already15:24
dhellmannmriedem : you'll probably want to re-tag the final release but I don't think that's strictly required15:24
dhellmannttx: I thought that was the whole reason this change came up :-)15:25
evrardjplikewise15:25
ttxright, so that we don;t end up in the "omg we don't have anything" panic on release weeks15:25
ttxI guess now that we don't require milestone tagging, it's just a RC tag15:26
ttxdhellmann: I was thinking that the versioning requirements might be the most problematic aspect of it15:26
dhellmannoh, incrementing the major version? that's not strictly required, it's just what most projects tend to do15:27
ttxi.e. going from semver back to full numbers15:27
ttxhmm, ok. Maybe we need to be clearer on that15:27
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ttxsome of our tools or docs may be suggesting the bump pretty strongly15:27
ttxdhellmann: how much do you think we need to proactively engage with those usual suspects before dropping the suggestion in an email ?15:28
dhellmannit would be a good idea to give them a heads-up15:29
dhellmannespecially if we expect them to object15:29
toskyoh, about version number, does it mean that we are usually not required to bump the major numbers if it's not needed from one stable to another?15:30
dhellmanntosky : right. Just the minor (y from x.y.z)15:30
ttxok, so I won't start the discussion and disappear on the other face of the planet... I'll let smcginnis start it, or pick it up when I return15:30
dhellmanntosky : we need space for patch releases on the stable branch15:30
ttxdhellmann: anything else we need to discuss today?15:31
toskywe are going to split the sahara repository into pieces mainly to have each plugin in its own repository15:31
EvilienMare you still not releasing on Fridays?15:31
dhellmannttx : I don't think so15:31
toskyso that you can upgrade a plugin from n+2 without upgrading the core (still at version n), but we didn't discuss properly how to manage the version numbers15:31
EvilienMI'm asking because in tripleo our upgrade job needs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/608282/15:32
toskywe could just bump them in sync with the core, but still tell people that newer plugins can be used in the older versions15:32
dhellmannEvilienM : you have W-1 on that15:32
toskybut maybe we can do it differently, not sure15:32
EvilienMdhellmann: because we need a patch in puppet-tripleo & tripleo-ui, as I commented15:33
dhellmannttx: enjoy your weekend and next week15:33
EvilienMbrb15:33
dhellmanntosky :  is there any particular reason not to just follow the Semantic Versioning rules?15:33
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dhellmannEvilienM : we can do releases on fridays, but constraint updates might not be merged after the weekend15:34
toskydhellmann: no, but then for consistency we should follow it for the core too and not bump the major version for each major release if there are no API changes, for example15:34
EvilienMdhellmann: oh I see15:35
EvilienMdhellmann: it's fine, we're mitigating the situation on our side15:35
dhellmanntosky : right15:35
dhellmannEvilienM : ok; let me know if you need that approved15:35
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases master: nova: release rocky 18.0.2  https://review.openstack.org/60829215:42
openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases master: nova: release queens 17.0.7  https://review.openstack.org/60829315:42
openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases master: nova: release pike 16.1.6  https://review.openstack.org/60829415:42
openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases master: nova: release ocata 15.1.5  https://review.openstack.org/60829515:42
openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases master: nova: tag ocata-em  https://review.openstack.org/60829615:42
mriedemmelwitt: ^15:42
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armstrongHello I missed the meeting today15:48
dhellmannarmstrong : hi, we just had a very brief meeting here in this channel today15:50
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dhellmannarmstrong : in case you don't have the scrollback, see http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-release/%23openstack-release.2018-10-05.log.html#t2018-10-05T14:58:0715:50
armstrongOk thanks15:51
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