Wednesday, 2017-07-19

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openstackgerritAkihiro Motoki proposed openstack/reno master: Clean up rendered HTML with openstackdocstheme  https://review.openstack.org/48512909:44
openstackgerritMerged openstack/reno master: Clean up rendered HTML with openstackdocstheme  https://review.openstack.org/48512909:56
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: request 4.1.0 release for congress  https://review.openstack.org/48416110:28
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dimsttx : dhellmann : o/11:15
dhellmanndims, ttx: o/11:15
dimsdhellmann : only thing i am waiting on is glance_store11:25
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dhellmanndims : the requirements/constraints update?11:30
dimsa new release dhellmann - update for your review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483467/11:30
dhellmannah11:31
dhellmannforgot about that one11:31
dhellmannlooks like jokke_ and rosmaita had more patches they wanted in, let me see what happens if I update that11:32
openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/releases master: glance-store 0.21.0  https://review.openstack.org/48346711:33
openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/releases master: teach new-release how to step over series boundaries  https://review.openstack.org/48346811:33
dhellmanndims : I rebased so we could land the tool change while we wait for the glance team on the library release11:34
dimssounds good dhellmann.11:35
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gcbdims, dhellmann :  Do we need other releases for oslo  except tooz?11:39
dhellmanngcb : I think we had some bug fixes in oslo.config, did those land?11:39
gcbyes, I saw we just merged fix for oslo.config , that's why I'm asking :-) let me check11:40
dhellmanngcb : yes, let's release that11:41
dhellmanngcb : I'll pull a list of other changes quickly, give me a minute11:41
gcbdhellmann: okay, I'm also listing unreleased changes of oslo ....11:42
dhellmanngcb : http://paste.openstack.org/show/615836/11:43
dhellmannI don't know if we need that oslo.db exception change11:44
dhellmannor the castellan change11:45
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dhellmannmight as well, though?11:45
gcbI think we don't need  new release for oslo.db castellan, the commit seems not bug fix11:46
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dhellmannthat makes sense11:47
gcbI'm little worried about tooz, we still can't figure out  a cinder bug,  trying to revert some patches in https://review.openstack.org/485035 and https://review.openstack.org/48503611:47
dhellmanngcb : is the problem with cinder resolved by moving back to an older release of tooz? or are we guessing at the cause?11:49
gcbdhellmann: I will release oslo.config now, with minor change ?11:49
dhellmanngcb : ++11:49
gcbdhellmann:  as I know an older release of tooz works well for Cinder11:50
dhellmanngcb : do we need to block that release in the requirements list?11:51
dhellmannjd_ : are you around? ^^11:51
* jd_ appears in a cape surrounded by smoke11:51
jd_who summoned me?11:51
gcbdhellmann:  we have done that11:52
dhellmannjd_ : apparently the cinder team is having a problem with tooz that is resolved by moving back to an older release, but you're blocking the reverts11:52
dhellmannso the question is do we block the bad release, approve the reverts, or do something else?11:52
jd_dhellmann: fix Cinder?11:52
dhellmanndo we know what's actually wrong?11:52
jd_dhellmann: good question! I'm glad you ask. No we don't because nobody in Cinder stepped up to look deeply into it it seems :(11:53
dhellmannsmcginnis : are you around?11:53
dhellmann^^11:53
jd_dhellmann: I asked a question about the error they have but I did not have any reply yet11:53
jd_I don't understand eventlet :(11:53
jd_the patches in tooz are not cosmetic, they are fixing a race condition11:54
jd_so maybe they introduce a new bug, but I can't see it on tooz side, so I tend to think it hits a problem in eventlet and/or cinder11:54
dhellmannall of that sounds sane.11:55
jd_so I'd prefer to have an understanding of the problem rather than blinding reverting a patch that will re-introduce a bug11:55
jd_:(11:55
jd_if anyone knows cinder or eventlet and can give a hint it's https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1694509/11:55
openstackLaunchpad bug 1694509 in tooz "eventlet errors and cannot switch to a different thread" [High,Confirmed]11:55
jd_I'll be happy to fix anything in tooz that is proved to be broken :)11:56
openstackgerritChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/releases master: Add final release of oslo.config for Pike  https://review.openstack.org/48517511:56
dhellmannit sounds like maybe the fix for the race condition exposed an issue with eventlet's monkeypatching11:58
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jd_dhellmann: this is what I'm scared of TBH, but it's out of my expertise (and also interest, you know my disdain for eventlet monkeys)11:59
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dhellmannjd_, gcb, smcginnis : it sounds like we need the cinder team's help on this, before the requirements freeze comes up next week.12:03
dhellmannit would be weird to block the current tooz release, then branch, because we might never be able to update it on that branch12:03
dhellmannbut we need to work on this problem as a whole, not in isolation, to make the whole release work12:04
tonybdhellmann: Can you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482365/ when you have time.  I think it's good to merge12:04
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dhellmanntonyb : +2a12:05
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: Add Queens election to the schedule  https://review.openstack.org/48236512:09
gcbdhellmann: dims confirmed that the revert/blacklist for 1.57.4 worked  see comment #14  in https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1694509/.  I aslo agree with jd_ we need find out the root cause, but  what we need mostly is time. If we can't fix the issue before final release, the only choice may be reverting patches :(12:09
openstackLaunchpad bug 1694509 in tooz "eventlet errors and cannot switch to a different thread" [High,Confirmed]12:09
jd_gcb: we're not going to revert patches to re-introduce an old bug just because the old bug is not seen by Cinder12:10
tonybdhellmann: Thanks12:10
jd_gcb: I don't think putting problems under the carpet is a good solution for any project12:10
gcbjd_:  sileht aslo points that we' ll break api  if we merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485035/.  so we cant' revert this one,  we blacklist 1.57.4  in https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.txt#L313 that means the fix for older bug doesn't work now12:15
gcbjd_: I will abandon https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485035/ now12:16
jd_gcb: if you want to break others OpenStack projects because Cinder might be broken, it's up to you :)12:16
jd_s/break/introduce bugs in/12:17
gcbjd_:  we need cinder team help find which patch affect their tests. then decide how to fix it. I really don't want to break any project :)12:18
jd_gcb: I agree we need Cinder to dig into that; I asked question 2 days ago on the bug report and for now there's 0 reply12:18
jd_I don't think we can fix that without Cinder help12:18
gcbjd_: let's raise this in cinder's weekly meeting or  discuss this in #openstack-cinder12:21
jd_gcb: when is that?12:22
gcbjd_: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Cinder_Team_Meeting12:23
gcbWeekly on Monday at 2000 UTC in #openstack-meeting-alt12:23
gcbsorry, ignore last message12:24
jd_yeah it's today12:24
jd_ok i might be around12:24
jd_feel free to ping me if needed12:24
gcbjd_: thanks12:26
openstackgerritJohn Trowbridge proposed openstack/releases master: Last release for tripleo-quickstart which supports Mitaka  https://review.openstack.org/48490912:26
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dtantsurhi folks! is there a quick way for a PTL to see which projects have which release type and cadence?12:47
* dtantsur tries to figure out which requests he has to make till tomorrow12:47
dhellmanndtantsur : we have some tools in the releases repo12:52
dhellmannyou probably want the list-deliverables command12:53
dhellmanndtantsur : try checking out openstack/releases and running "tox -e venv -- list-deliverables -h"12:53
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dhellmanndtantsur : in particular, the --team option may be useful for you12:54
dhellmanndtantsur : and -v12:54
dtantsurthanks, I'll try13:01
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dtantsurthat feeling when tox fails with InvalidSyntax >_<13:06
dtantsurdhellmann: I think setting basepython = python3 is a bit optimistic, given that lazr.restfulclient seems not python3-aware13:07
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smcginnisdhellmann: Around now.13:18
smcginnisWe asked for help on the toox issue.13:18
smcginnisSomething is not getting monkey patched correctly or something from what I was able to find out.13:18
smcginnisBut after several days of multiple projects being affected with gate failures, the best we could do is block that release of tooz.13:19
smcginnisSince before that the logstash showed 0 failures.13:19
smcginnisjd_: Which bug are ou referring to?13:20
dhellmannI think https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1694509/13:20
openstackLaunchpad bug 1694509 in tooz "eventlet errors and cannot switch to a different thread" [High,Confirmed]13:20
smcginnisdhellmann: OK, I don't know what we're expected to comment on there.13:21
dhellmannI'm not sure13:21
dhellmannjd_ : the current release of tooz is already being blocked in global-requirements it seems13:24
dhellmannsmcginnis : we have the most recent release of tooz blocked from use right before we're about to branch it, which means we won't be able to use any bug fix releases on that branch. what do we need to do to get a team together to work on the problem?13:26
smcginnisdhellmann: I had hoped the tooz team would do some more testing to see what was changed to cause the failures.13:28
dhellmannsmcginnis : according to jd_ the recent changes fix known race conditions in the library itself13:29
dhellmannwe need some folks from cinder and tooz to get together and address the problem13:29
smcginnisdhellmann: Not sure what we can do. Maybe put up a devtack patch to try running iwthout etcd? But it was an intermittent failure, so not sure how valuable that would be.13:29
dhellmannthe tooz folks don't know cinder code13:29
smcginnisdhellmann: Especially in a limited time window.13:29
smcginnisdhellmann: I don't think knowledge of cinder code is really required here.13:30
smcginnisdhellmann: But it's intermittent nature certainly makes debugging difficult.13:30
jd_smcginnis: "the tooz team" lol13:30
dhellmannI don't know. I'm just trying to get people to actually fix it instead of handing it back and forth.13:30
smcginnisOr at least verifying that a change actually addresses it.13:30
jd_smcginnis: I wish there was such a team :)13:30
smcginnisjd_: Should I send a ML post that tooz is unmaintained? ;)13:30
jd_smcginnis: if you want!13:31
jd_it's maintained by me only13:31
smcginnisNot really.13:31
jd_and random people pressing +2A to make me pleased13:31
jd_:)13:31
jd_smcginnis: I don't think having Cinder knowledge is needed, thought it seems to be related to eventlet so that's knowledge that might be needed13:32
jd_at least13:32
jd_and also time to dig into that with Cinder as a test base13:32
jd_smcginnis: I asked explanation about what the error meant but I got no reply :(13:32
smcginnisThere were plenty of references to that error online, but all of the examples shown for the cause were very contrived.13:33
smcginnisjd_: Explanation from Cinder?13:33
jd_smcginnis: from anyone that knows Eventlet :)13:34
jd_smcginnis: yeah I googled a bit but did not find anything obvious :(13:34
smcginnisNot aware of anyone in Cinder that is an eventlet expert either.13:34
jd_and outside Cinder?13:35
smcginnisI would hope someone knows it.13:35
dhellmannmriedem_meeting posted Ibde3c0fff1320a35a799ab25028d123b48e06b0b to blacklist the latest tooz release, was he involved in troubleshooting?13:35
smcginnisdhellmann: Yes13:36
smcginnisdhellmann: He helped track it down to tooz after we spent some time scrambling and getting nowhere tryingn to figure out why things were suddenly failing.13:36
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: New heatclient newton release  https://review.openstack.org/48468613:37
dhellmanncan we pull him into this conversation?13:37
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mriedem_meetingjd_: smcginnis: eventlet people would work in oslo.messaging,13:37
mriedem_meetinglike bnemec,13:37
dhellmannmriedem_meeting : that team is also hardly active any more13:37
mriedem_meetingand the other guy's name i always forget13:37
mriedem_meetingsileht13:38
mriedem_meetingwas the name i was thinking of13:38
smcginnisI'm really concerned the number of libraries we are relying on with one (or less) maintainers.13:38
mriedem_meetingbut, maybe i'm thinking of rabbitmq :)13:38
dhellmannmriedem_meeting : yeah, I think you are13:38
dhellmannsmcginnis : I am, too.13:38
dhellmannalso with the number of times the root cause traces back to something to do with eventlet13:39
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dhellmannbut what I'm most concerned with right now is the impasse that's going to screw tooz's releases for the stable branch of pike13:40
smcginnisdhellmann: My thought would be to branch from last release, then see if we can get some help in Queens to sort it out.13:41
dhellmannsmcginnis : if we branch from something before a patch release, we have no room for new version numbers13:42
smcginnisdhellmann: Ah, and we've released subsequent patch releases, so version would have to change.13:42
smcginnisIs it a lot? Revert changes, do release and branch?13:43
dhellmannso if we can't fix the issue, we will need to revert the changes and do a new release to create the branch, then unrevert and potentially backport other fixes later13:43
dhellmannjd_ : ^^13:43
smcginnisAnd maybe unrevert slowly to see where the failures start?13:44
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smcginnisHaven't looked to see how many changes were talking about here.13:44
dhellmannsmcginnis : yeah13:44
dhellmannmriedem_meeting identified 2 changes to try reverting13:45
jd_dhellmann: so reverting is re-introducing a race condition bug13:45
dhellmannalthough we've had others on master since those were released so who knows13:45
jd_dhellmann: I don't see that as a gain. Telemetry uses tooz, we don't want that bug in Pike.13:45
dhellmannjd_ : I understand that. Failing to either fix the problem or revert the changes means you get no bug fix releases from tooz for pike.13:45
dhellmannjd_ : the release with those fixes is already being blocked by the global requirements list, so you're already not getting them.13:46
smcginnisWe could revert all but that race fix and see how things look in the last couple weeks.13:46
jd_dhellmann: we don't use requirements – exactly for that kind of reasons…13:46
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mriedem_meetingdhellmann: smcginnis: jd_: i'm in a call but this is clear evidence of the problem that was killing the gate for a few days http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#169450913:46
dhellmannjd_ : you do when a distro delivers your packages13:46
smcginnisFailure was intermittent, but it happened enough that we should be able to tell fairly quick if the race fix is the one that introduced the failures.13:46
jd_dhellmann: sure, but that's not our fault, that's just requirements doing wrong things :)13:47
jd_dhellmann: we can't fix everything :(13:47
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dhellmannjd_ : I'm only asking you to help smcginnis and mriedem_meeting, not to fix it yourself.13:47
jd_smcginnis: considering the error message I'd bet on it yeah13:47
jd_dhellmann: how can I help?13:47
dhellmannwork the problem?13:48
smcginnisjd_: Well, then you can have a small window in Telemetry, or cause failures in the majority of deployments.13:48
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jd_dhellmann: that's what I'm doing!13:49
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dhellmannsmcginnis, jd_ : can we set up a cinder job that runs with tooz from source so we can test changes in tooz against cinder without doing releases?13:53
smcginnisdhellmann: We could going forward.13:54
dhellmannsmcginnis : can we do that today, to see if we can prove that one or both of those tooz patches needs to be reverted?13:55
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smcginnisdhellmann: So do the reverts, and have tests running to see when they get added back?13:55
dhellmannsmcginnis : set up the test job, show that you get a failure on master, revert the patch(es) and see if that helps.13:55
jd_dhellmann: we already know which patch triggers the bug in Cinder, no?13:56
dhellmannjd_ : do we? I didn't think we did?13:56
jd_dhellmann: we have 2 candidates according to gcb and i'm pretty sure which one of the 2 it is :)13:56
smcginnisWould be good to verify.13:56
dhellmannif we have a cinder patch in question why are we talking about reverting tooz patches?13:56
dhellmannI thought those were in tooz?13:56
dhellmannI really have to go afk. Please continue to work on this together.13:56
smcginnisAnd know where to focus efforts.Cindner patch?13:57
jd_dhellmann: it's a bug fix in tooz that triggered an issue in Cinder13:57
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smcginnisSo I would say for now, revert that patch and do another release. If that's good, branch from there. Then once the trigger of the failure is identified it can be backported.13:58
jd_smcginnis: dhellmann: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478202/ very likely13:58
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jd_it adds usage of threading.Lock13:59
jd_and that's likely what's making eventlet explodes13:59
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dhellmannsmcginnis : how about trying to revert ^^14:07
dhellmannoops, jd_ I mean14:07
smcginnisI mean I could, but... :)14:07
dhellmannsmcginnis, jd_ : it would be useful to set up that job to test the tooz revert from source against cinder. Who is going to do that?14:12
smcginnisdhellmann: I can get that going.14:13
mriedem_meetingthere is already a revert up for the tooz change, but yeah you need a -src- job to test it14:13
dhellmannthank you14:13
dhellmannmriedem_meeting : right, that's what we need14:13
mriedem_meetingalthough, can't you just push a devstack change that uses LIBS_FROM_GIT for the tooz change,14:13
mriedem_meetingthen you don't need a src job14:13
dhellmannoh, there you go, smcginnis ^^14:13
mriedem_meeting\o/14:13
dhellmannI knew there was a way to do that without a new job14:13
mriedem_meetingyeah that's basically what the src jobs do14:13
smcginnisThat would make every job run that way, no?14:13
smcginnisNot sure we want that.14:13
dhellmannso the devstack patch would depend on the tooz patch, right?14:14
mriedem_meetingsmcginnis: it's a DNM patch14:14
mriedem_meetingyes14:14
mriedem_meetingset the TOOZ_BRANCH or whatever in devstack, this is all possible in a single DNM patch14:14
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mriedem_meetingthat you then run recheck on a dozen times or something14:14
smcginnisWell, it didn't fail every time, but we could start there.14:14
dhellmannyeah, we can run the jobs against the patch a few times14:15
mriedem_meetingit was ~50% fail14:15
mriedem_meetingso should be easy to know14:15
mriedem_meetingi'll dig for a change to show you how to do this14:16
smcginnisOK, so inec a tooz patch is ready we can do a Depends-on devstck patch. Then recheck several times until we're comfortable.14:16
mriedem_meetingthe devstack change depends on the tooz revert14:16
smcginnisSomehow, inec == as soon as14:16
jd_mriedem_meeting: smcginnis: is anyone able to write a small program that reproduces the issue (even 50% of the time)?14:17
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smcginnisProbably easiest doing the devstack change. Would be great to have something to isolate the failure, but not sure the effort on that.14:19
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: Add final release of oslo.config for Pike  https://review.openstack.org/48517514:31
openstackgerritBrian Rosmaita proposed openstack/releases master: glance-store 0.21.0  https://review.openstack.org/48346714:35
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mriedem_meetingsmcginnis: i'm failing to find the LIBS_FROM_GIT change i was looking for in devstack, but can poke more after this meeting14:42
mriedem_meetingi know scottda has done this14:42
smcginnisI know I've seen it too. There should be some good examples out there somewhere.14:45
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silehtsmcginnis, dhellmann dims I found the root cause: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1694509/comments/1915:02
openstackLaunchpad bug 1694509 in tooz "eventlet errors and cannot switch to a different thread" [High,Confirmed]15:02
silehtmriedem_meeting, ^15:03
dimssileht : w00t!15:03
dimssmcginnis : can we get that code into cinder please?15:03
mriedem_meetingcool15:03
mriedem_meetingtold you sileht was the eventlet guy :)15:03
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smcginnissileht: Awesome, thank you.15:03
smcginnisdims: Was actually just waitingn on Jenkins to check that out, but I'll push it through.15:04
dimsmriedem :)15:04
dimsjd_ : thanks for twisting sileht 's arm to look at it :)15:05
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smcginnisUnblock for using tooz 1.57.4: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485233/15:08
dimssmcginnis : throw a depends on to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447079/15:09
dhellmannsileht, smcginnis, mriedem : thank you!15:15
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silehtthx to jd_ that have provided the fix before the issue was encounter :p15:17
smcginnisdims: Good call, added that depends on tag.15:17
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jd_dims: sileht is too kind, I can't even twist anything :p15:33
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dhellmanndims : it would be good to merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483468/2 so we don't block that glance-store release15:49
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dimssileht : jd_ :)15:53
dimsdhellmann : on it15:53
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: teach new-release how to step over series boundaries  https://review.openstack.org/48346816:01
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: Last release for tripleo-quickstart which supports Mitaka  https://review.openstack.org/48490917:05
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openstackgerritErno Kuvaja proposed openstack/releases master: glance-store 0.21.0  https://review.openstack.org/48346717:34
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: glance-store 0.21.0  https://review.openstack.org/48346718:09
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openstackgerritsean mooney proposed openstack/releases master: release new os-vif version for pike  https://review.openstack.org/48530418:25
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openstackgerritsean mooney proposed openstack/releases master: release new os-vif version for pike  https://review.openstack.org/48530418:29
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toabctldhellmann, re https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484887/ - Igor (the PTL) might not be here. ttx just merged previous pymod2pkg release. This is only affecting rpm-packagjng...18:34
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dhellmanntoabctl : ok, the team should really appoint a release liaison to have a backup person for these cases18:40
toabctldhellmann, where should I put the name of that person?18:41
dhellmanntoabctl : https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons18:41
toabctldhellmann, ok. thanks. we'll discuss it during the next meeting..18:41
dhellmanntoabctl : thanks18:42
openstackgerritsean mooney proposed openstack/releases master: release new os-vif version for pike  https://review.openstack.org/48530418:43
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: Update pymod2pkg to 0.8.1  https://review.openstack.org/48488718:45
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dhellmanndims, I'm going to take off for the evening. I'll talk to you tomorrow morning. have a good night!20:20
dimsdhellmann : sounds good.20:20
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mriedem+1 on the final os-vif release for pike https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485304/20:34
dimsthanks mriedem20:35
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