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| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/releases: Release networking-odl 2.0.0 (mitaka) release https://review.openstack.org/312331 | 06:33 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | does anyone know who runs data for this page http://www.openstack.org/software/project-navigator ? | 14:18 |
| mugsie | kzaitsev_mb: the foundation | 14:18 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | oh, I got answered in #infra — they say, that the best way to communicate with the folks, who run it is through https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-org | 14:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | thanks ) | 14:20 |
| dims | kzaitsev_mb : it pulls data from the public repos, what was your concern? | 14:21 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | dims: I'm mostly concerned with murano =) and well, at the very least it's wrong about murano not having stable branches =) | 14:25 |
| kzaitsev_mb | also it lists liberty as the latest release for all the projects | 14:25 |
| dims | kzaitsev_mb : did you check governance repo for murano? | 14:25 |
| dims | kzaitsev_mb : need to fix governance repo first | 14:26 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I believe, that the tag was changed to 'stable:follows-policy', wasn't it? | 14:27 |
| dims | kzaitsev_mb : http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/projects.yaml#n2307 | 14:27 |
| kzaitsev_mb | none of the projects is marked as having stable branches right now as far as I can see | 14:28 |
| dims | kzaitsev_mb : nova has that tag - https://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/stable_follows-policy.html | 14:29 |
| dims | so let's refresh the data in governance first | 14:29 |
| kzaitsev_mb | dims: yet the site says it doesn't http://www.openstack.org/software/releases/liberty/components/nova | 14:30 |
| dims | kzaitsev_mb : y, we should update our data first and then tell them to refresh | 14:31 |
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| AJaeger | dims, dhellmann: Sorry, I broke requirements testing - could you fast-approve https://review.openstack.org/312635, please? Not sure how my manual testing could have missed that ;( | 16:59 |
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| dhellmann | AJaeger : +2a | 16:59 |
| dhellmann | thanks for finding the fix so quickly | 17:00 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: I just run recheck on 311761 which is ready to land - and noticed the failure ;( | 17:00 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: thanks! | 17:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ben Nemec proposed openstack/releases: tripleo-puppet-elements 3.0.0 https://review.openstack.org/308555 | 17:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Ben Nemec proposed openstack/releases: Add tripleo-puppet-elements deliverable https://review.openstack.org/308554 | 17:15 |
| dims | AJaeger : oops looks like dhellmann already approved. | 17:19 |
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| AJaeger | dims: yes, thanks | 17:26 |
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| sridhar_ram | dhellmann: release-team: folks from tacker and tosca-parser / heat-translator project are here.. to get some dependency question clarified ... | 17:57 |
| dhellmann | sridhar_ram : hi | 17:58 |
| sridhar_ram | spzala: bobh: ^^ | 17:58 |
| spzala | dhellmann: Hi | 17:58 |
| dhellmann | how can I help? | 17:58 |
| sridhar_ram | spzala: releases two libraries ... tosca-parser and heat-translator that tacker team consumes... | 17:59 |
| sridhar_ram | dhellmann: heat-translator has a dependency on tosca-parser | 17:59 |
| dhellmann | ok | 18:00 |
| spzala | so in global-req there is tosca-parser>=0.4.0 and heat-translator>=0.4.0 for now, for Tacker team can they enforce req in their project to a specific release? | 18:00 |
| sridhar_ram | dhellmann: however tacker project needs these two libraries to be available at the sametime to (a) no break any existing feature (b) start consuming new features in these libs | 18:00 |
| spzala | we just had tosca-parser 0.5.0 released today, can Tacker still stay with 0.4.0 ? | 18:00 |
| dhellmann | spzala : no, we do not want projects to "pin" to a specific version of a dependency because that makes upgrades hard or impossible | 18:01 |
| dhellmann | spzala : Tacker can keep a requirement that says >=0.4.0 as long as they are not using any features in 0.5.0 and the global requirements list isn't updated | 18:01 |
| dhellmann | sridhar_ram : I'm not sure I understand that. You mean that you want to upgrade both libraries at the same time, or not at all? | 18:02 |
| spzala | dhellmann: OK, but that will automatically push Tacker to use 0.5.0 right? i.e. whatever is the latest release | 18:02 |
| sridhar_ram | dhellmann: yes, if we upgrade tosca-parser to 0.5.0 and heat-translator still stays in 0.4.0 .. that is out of sync and we are worried heat-translator might fail | 18:02 |
| dhellmann | sridhar_ram : if these libraries are maintaining backwards-compatibility through testing, you shouldn't have any problem. If there are no such tests, then they should be added. | 18:03 |
| spzala | dhellmann: well, we are not supporting backward compatibility for now :( but yes, agree with you | 18:04 |
| sridhar_ram | dhellmann: I see | 18:04 |
| dhellmann | spzala : if tacker follows the global requirements list and uses constraints, then the version in the constraints file will be used. Otherwise, yes, the most current version will be used | 18:04 |
| spzala | dhellmann: if that's the best way then I would keep it in mind going forward | 18:04 |
| dhellmann | spzala : ok, you should probably start handling backwards compatibility testing if you want folks to use what you're producing | 18:04 |
| dhellmann | if you've broken compatibility and that has broken tacker, then we can exclude the most current release, you can revert those changes, and then you can prepare another release with the new features added in a compatible way | 18:05 |
| dhellmann | or, tacker could decide not to use the libraries, I guess | 18:05 |
| spzala | dhellmann: Yup, agree. That was clear to me ever since we started to release, but since we are on point releases and iteratively releasing at shorter interval we thought it's ok not to worry about backward-compatibility for sometime | 18:05 |
| spzala | dhellmann: no I don't think it's needed at this moment | 18:06 |
| dhellmann | spzala : technically, yes, using versions < 1.0 allow breaks, although it seems you have a user who cares about that now :-) | 18:06 |
| sridhar_ram | dhellmann: spzala: that sounds little tricky to me.... heat-translator 0.4.0 is expected to work with a DOM object tree returned by tosca-parser 0.5.0 ? | 18:07 |
| spzala | dhellmann: we are already on track to have heat-translator release that will fix the issue, something I plan to release by tomorrow. sridhar_ram: hope that's fine at this point. | 18:07 |
| dhellmann | spzala : how are you using these libraries internally if the APIs are breaking? | 18:07 |
| spzala | dhellmann: :-) Yes, agree. | 18:07 |
| spzala | dhellman: so we update master (i.e. master for heat-translator) right away after pypi of tosca-parser | 18:08 |
| spzala | with needed fix for sync | 18:08 |
| spzala | and that way keep master usable | 18:08 |
| sridhar_ram | dhellmann: I'd like to explore excluding the version temporarily .. under the the second library is the two-pack gets released | 18:08 |
| dhellmann | ok. that's not really optimal. if you have anyone deploying from master, you're breaking their production system every time you do that. | 18:09 |
| spzala | sridhar_ram: no, heat-translator 0.4.0 is not expected to work with 0.5.0 of tosca-parser but ideally as I thought initially and as dhellmann said with backward-compatibility that's should be the case | 18:09 |
| spzala | dhellmann: yes, agree | 18:10 |
| sridhar_ram | spzala: sure, meanwhile.. can we work out a plan to have both tosca-parser and heat-translator to upversion at the same time.. by that.. | 18:10 |
| spzala | dhellmann: so going forward we will keep backward-compatibility in mind, this's the right time to do that | 18:10 |
| sridhar_ram | spzala: .. after tosca-parser is release, use exclusion in the global-requirement until a new heat-translator gets pushed ? | 18:11 |
| dhellmann | sridhar_ram : there is no way to guarantee that the libraries are released at the same time. they are built via different jobs that run in parallel. | 18:11 |
| sridhar_ram | dhellmann: wondering whether we can manage it by using exclusions ? | 18:11 |
| dhellmann | and no, we won't be adding to the global requirements list review burden by excluding a release of one every time, either, that's just not something the community can support | 18:11 |
| spzala | sridhar_ram: yes, so that's why I am going to have heat-translator 0.5. soon out as possible with one fix that is needed and update to requirements | 18:11 |
| spzala | sridhar_ram: for the inconvenience for now until heat-translator is out, unless we break backward-compatibility in future there shouldn't be such problem going forward | 18:12 |
| sridhar_ram | spzala: I'm fine for this round .. but the concern I've is.. if this happens in the tail end of Newton during crunch item that would be major pain | 18:13 |
| dhellmann | we can, this time, exclude the broken version of whichever library is causing the problem. that version will then not ever be allowed to be used. so you will need to produce a new version of the library that is not broken, and start using that. | 18:13 |
| dhellmann | we cannot do that every time you prepare a release, it's just not reasonable to ask everyone else in the community to take on that work when you could solve the problem by not releasing libraries you know will break things. | 18:13 |
| spzala | sridhar_ram: yes, but with backward-compability in mind It should not be a problem in future | 18:14 |
| sridhar_ram | dhellmann: fair enough | 18:14 |
| spzala | dhellmann: I guess we are fine | 18:14 |
| spzala | sridhar_ram: for time being, you can wait for heat-translator 0.5.0 right? | 18:14 |
| sridhar_ram | spzala: yeah, looks striving for backward compatibility is the way to go.. | 18:14 |
| dhellmann | so I recommend gating the libraries on the projects that use them, to ensure that no changes to master of the library break the projects | 18:14 |
| spzala | as I mentioned on our earlier talk, tosca-parser 0.5 is not breaking heat-translator out of box, but failing few templates | 18:15 |
| sridhar_ram | spzala: I thing we are fine, bobh can you please confirm ? | 18:15 |
| dhellmann | I don't see bobh in this channel | 18:15 |
| spzala | dhellmann: sure, will keep the recommendation in mind :) | 18:16 |
| sridhar_ram | dhellmann: just poked' bobh.. I think we are fine this round | 18:16 |
| sridhar_ram | spzala: thanks for working out to push out a heat-translator release quickly | 18:17 |
| spzala | sridhar_ram: dhellmann: cool, thanks!! | 18:17 |
| sridhar_ram | dhellmann: thanks... | 18:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Ben Nemec proposed openstack/releases: Add tripleo-puppet-elements deliverable https://review.openstack.org/308554 | 18:17 |
| spzala | sridhar_ram: :) np at all | 18:17 |
| sridhar_ram | dhellmann: btw, learnt something new here... so exclusion are only for bad / buggy library releases and they need to be permanently skipped ? | 18:19 |
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| spzala | dhellmann: thanks again. By end of Newton release, once we are stable with development (which we are pretty much), the plan is to use OpenStack release manager for our releases, something I will be getting in touch with you. | 18:22 |
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| dhellmann | sridhar_ram : yes, we don't want to toggle exclusions on and off frequently | 18:28 |
| dhellmann | spzala : sounds good, let me know when you're ready to talk about that | 18:29 |
| spzala | dhellmann: sure, absolutely | 18:31 |
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| prometheanfire | dhellmann: you gonna send that email about requirements out? | 20:49 |
| dhellmann | prometheanfire : can you be more specific? I have a list of like 50 emails I'm supposed to be sending this week... | 20:49 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 20:49 |
| dhellmann | looking for requirements reviewers? | 20:49 |
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| prometheanfire | ya | 20:50 |
| prometheanfire | that one :P | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'll bump that up the ol priority list | 20:50 |
| prometheanfire | it's fine as is, was just curious | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | I did mention it in the summit session wrap up email, but that was sort of long and covered several topics | 20:51 |
| prometheanfire | ya, I did read that | 20:51 |
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| prometheanfire | I have started doing some reviews, so hope that's helping | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | maybe I should follow up to the older thread about that requirements session separately | 20:51 |
| dims | dhellmann : i can literally picture you say this if i close my eyes - "If | 20:51 |
| dims | there's a project that wants to join, we should talk about that project | 20:51 |
| dims | and whether it meets *all* of our criteria, not just what language it's | 20:51 |
| dims | in" :) | 20:51 |
| prometheanfire | lol | 20:52 |
| dims | ++ for bringing that up | 20:52 |
| prometheanfire | ya, the go stuff, ugh | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | dims : yeah, it's easy to go off in the weeds on hypothetical cases :-/ | 20:52 |
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| dims | yep indeed. i have something brewing which may test that case. so shot off pointers to folks involved :) | 20:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack-infra/release-tools: change email topic tags based on summit feedback https://review.openstack.org/312762 | 21:38 |
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| AJaeger | dims, dhellmann: Once it has passed the testsuite, the Babel update for requirements is fine to merge IMHO: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311761/ - it will help us moving forward... | 22:03 |
| patchbot | AJaeger: patch 311761 - requirements - Require Babel>=2.3.4 | 22:03 |
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