Tuesday, 2016-05-03

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openstackgerritHongbin Lu proposed openstack/releases: Release python-magnumclient 2.1.0  https://review.openstack.org/31190701:26
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openstackgerritThomas Morin proposed openstack/releases: release networking-bgpvpn 3.0.1  https://review.openstack.org/30896208:14
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odyssey4mehi everyone - welcome back from the summit week...09:26
odyssey4meIf possible it'd be great if https://review.openstack.org/309323 and https://review.openstack.org/309324 could be processed today.09:26
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dimsodyssey4me : neither of them hit pypi i presume (from past discussion) as pypi mirroring is broke at the moment. one of them needs a recheck too12:17
odyssey4medims we don't publish tarballs, or anything to pypi12:18
odyssey4meour releases only have docs/releasenotes post jobs12:18
dimsack. so let's recheck the 309324 and i'll take care of it today12:19
dimsthanks odyssey4me12:19
odyssey4methe one that's failed is failing because the one it depends on is not done - so it won't pass until the other tag is implemented12:19
odyssey4methanks dims12:19
dimsodyssey4me : ah i see12:21
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases: Release OpenStack-Ansible Liberty/12.0.11  https://review.openstack.org/30932312:28
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odyssey4methanks dims - https://review.openstack.org/309324 has passed now :)12:54
dimsack processing the other one now12:57
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases: Release OpenStack-Ansible Kilo/11.2.14  https://review.openstack.org/30932412:58
odyssey4meawesome, thanks dims12:58
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dhellmannAJaeger : +2a on the babel tests14:24
dhellmannharlowja : I see an feature/amqp-dispatch-router branch, so I think you're set but let me know if not14:29
dhellmanndims, ttx: hi14:29
AJaegerthanks, dhellmann14:36
dimsdhellmann : y harlowja is all set14:38
dhellmannAJaeger : np, thanks for sealing that hole14:39
dhellmanndims : cool, thanks14:39
dimsdhellmann : i took care of some ansible release this AM. totally avoiding anything that goes to pypi as mirroring is broken. ETA from infra is friday if we are lucky14:40
ttxdhellmann: o/14:42
ttxdhellmann: I'm off Thu/Fri so we might want to go through the newton-plan etherpad and finish what we couldn't finish reviewing Friday14:43
dhellmanndims : ack, we should probably announce the release freeze if we expect it to last that long14:43
dhellmannttx: good idea, give me a few minutes?14:43
ttxsure14:43
dimsdhellmann : +114:43
dimsdhellmann : was there some more details on ocata release schedule? only thing i found was ttx's blog post14:46
ttxdims: we need to adjust based on discussion between R-2 and R+014:49
ttxand date for PTG14:49
dimsttx : ack thanks14:50
ttxdhellmann: I may have to multiplex with stable meeting if it happens14:51
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dhellmannttx: I'm back. we can wait for the stable meeting to finish (I should attend, too) or schedule it for earlier tomorrow if that works14:58
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ttxo/15:40
ttxsorry; got into a parallel discussion15:41
dhellmannnp15:41
dhellmannI'm still catching up on -dev in between other discussions15:41
ttxshall we talk now ? I have about 20min15:43
dhellmannsure15:43
* dhellmann finds where we left off in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-relmgt-plan15:44
dhellmannttx: we didn't cover "Final release process improvements" but I think we hit most of the rest of it15:45
ttxok, let's look at that15:46
dhellmannwe started on the status tracking dashboard idea in one conversation, but I don't think we got very far with that15:46
dhellmannwe can use the releases site to track what the current release is, but we don't have a good way to track what we're waiting for elsewhere15:47
ttxquestion is... should we care ?15:48
dhellmannthough now that I'm saying this I remember talking about just not waiting or tracking that and having the liaisons worry about it15:48
dhellmannyeah15:48
ttxI think we can take the stance of releases being what they make of it15:48
ttxand limit ourselves to basic date-based nagging15:48
dhellmannsomeone suggested using a WIP release patch as notification that they anticipate another RC, and beyond that we don't need to track the details15:48
ttxand we said they should handle the tranlsations import / refresh15:49
dhellmannyeah15:49
ttxLet's focus on documenting that15:49
dhellmannwe're going to have to write a lot more -- exactly15:49
dhellmannadded as 1.515:49
ttxthat actually triggers another question15:50
dhellmannthose patches will show up on our existing dashboard so we don't need a new one15:50
ttxdo we really need the release-time ACL15:50
ttxI think we do15:50
ttxwe want approvers there to be the people that know the rules15:50
ttxand we kinda want overriding power (rather than ask the stable team)15:50
dhellmannoverriding for +2 or for -2 or for both?15:51
dhellmannI know we used +2a this last cycle on some of the changes15:51
ttxfor both15:51
ttxin case we need15:51
dhellmannmakes sense15:51
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ttxnext point bleeds into the release status dashboard discussion15:52
ttxwe may want to track it if we do such a dashboard15:53
ttxbut not a "need to have"15:53
ttxthink of it as a tracker that shows last RCs, last translation import etc15:53
dhellmannyeah, I was going to mark it off as not needed, since we're going to rely on the liaisons to keep up with it15:53
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dhellmannbut sure, we could come up with a gerrit query to show that15:54
ttxstill useful to include in a global view if we ever build one15:54
ttxbut not a necessary improvement15:54
dhellmannwe did discuss validating stable backports, but I don't feel like we resolved that15:54
ttxdo we have another chapter in that doc that mentions the dashboard15:54
dhellmannthe doc we're going to write this cycle?15:55
ttxno the etherpad15:55
dhellmannoh15:55
dhellmannhmm15:55
ttxwanted to move the suggested feature15:55
dhellmannno, I don't think so15:55
ttxok, will create above under comms15:56
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ttxok done15:57
ttxOn the topic of validating stable backports...15:57
ttxfungi suggested we used separate Change-IDs, and depends-on15:57
dhellmannwould we have to change the way the backport button in gerrit works for that?15:58
ttxbut still difficult to validate that something is a straight backport15:58
dhellmannyeah15:58
ttxI think this one is an open question15:58
fungiyeah, that was an off-the-cuff idea to work around it, but i may not have considered the "backport button"15:59
ttxFOr this cycle I would just focus on documenting the rule so that it's pretty clear to release-liaison15:59
dhellmannyeah, that needs more thought15:59
dhellmannright15:59
ttxand narrow down the group to make sure people are aware of the rule15:59
ttxI would keep the doc smallish so that the rules are pretty simple and clear15:59
fungii can dig into it later, keeping an eye on the openssl situation at the moment15:59
dhellmannfungi: it isn't a priority atm16:00
ttxfungi: no urgency, it's more of a general discussion and should include stable16:00
ttxwe have plenty to do before it comes to that16:00
dhellmannwe're finishing the discussion from friday where we ran out of time16:00
fungiindeed. the biergarten was far more compelling at that point in the day16:00
dhellmann++16:00
dhellmannttx: that traffic light indicator would be useful for cases like this week, too16:02
ttxok, yeah, keep on postponing it16:02
ttxAt one point during this cycle I'll need a fun coding project to get some air, might pick that16:03
ttxI think the rest of the section is covered16:03
ttxAnything else we should review ?16:03
dhellmannI feel like we've covered the big items16:04
dhellmannthere were some automation things down below line 14716:04
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dhellmannI need to talk to fungi about "automate submitting constraints update when tagging a release" to make sure the tagging node can do that, or find out if we need another separate script for that step16:05
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dhellmannsame for creating branches automatically16:05
dhellmannthat's a low priority, though16:06
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dhellmannother than those, I think we've covered this pretty well16:06
dhellmannI need to review my notes, and I'll set up the calendar etherpads this week for tracking week to week16:06
dhellmannother than summarizing the release sessions from last week are there any important things to announce this week? anything to go in the countdown email?16:07
notmynamedhellmann: sorry for channel hijacking, but where's the right place to find oslo.messaging people and ask questions?16:07
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notmynameah. I just found #openstack-oslo. initial channel search hadn't loaded it yet. nm16:08
dhellmannnotmyname : #openstack-oslo, ask for sileht, dims, or harlowja16:08
notmynamethanks :-)16:08
ttxdhellmann: nothing I think16:10
ttxdhellmann: did you create a separate etherpad for the big calendar ?16:10
dhellmannttx: not yet. I was going to create 4 (one for each milestone, and a final)16:10
ttxoh, it's at the bottom of this one16:10
dhellmannunless you think that's overkill?16:10
dhellmannyeah, i was going to move that content before it gets too big16:11
ttxHmm, how about one doc for the things we need to chnage, and one doc for cycle tracking ?16:11
dhellmannI think we ended up with 2 tracking pads last time because of the amount of notes, but we could start out that way16:11
dhellmannwith just 116:12
dhellmannand break it up if we need to16:12
ttxI think we did two because the main action list was there too16:12
ttxoh well16:12
ttxI would go with 2 -- TODOs and Calendar16:13
dhellmannhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-relmgt-tracking16:13
ttxAnd maybe add milestone targets to TODOs once we have an idea of when we should deliver that feature16:13
dhellmanngood idea16:15
ttxadding a few items on the release manager doc16:15
dhellmannttx: I think we want a standalone guide for that, instead of adding to the PTG. What do you think?16:16
ttxyes16:16
ttxwe can point to it from the PTG16:16
ttxAlso we might want to separate "how to release (push tag)" from "how to handle release cycle"16:17
ttxthe guide should be for previously-managed things that use us for tagging16:17
ttxhow to release is an infra guide matter16:17
dhellmanngood point16:17
ttxcleaning up redundant items16:18
ttxalright, I think we are good16:22
ttx(and we have enough)16:22
dhellmannyeah, lots to do again :-)16:22
dhellmannI'll be going through the list again myself, along with my paper notes from the summit16:22
dhellmannI can take a stab at assigning milestones to things at that point16:22
ttxAt next meeting (not this Friday) we can try to spread that on milestones16:22
ttxok16:22
dhellmannyeah, I'll throw out some proposals and we can review next week16:23
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odyssey4meIs there a specific stable maint IRC channel? I'm hitting a python-openstackclient oslo.config requirements problem for Liberty which I'd like to confirm before registering a bug.17:02
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dimsodyssey4me : #openstack-stable17:18
odyssey4medims thanks - I've posed my question there17:18
odyssey4meit looks like liberty has been broken through various upper-constraints changes17:19
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dhellmannstevemar : if you want to add keystone-specific dates to the schedule on releases.o.o that's fine, as long as they're actually different from the main dates19:53
stevemardhellmann: ya, i will propose a patch for the spec dates and the feature proposal freeze, the rest are common19:56
dhellmannstevemar : sounds good19:56
stevemardhellmann: i just like copying and pasting a link when someone eventually asks in #openstack-keystone :)19:56
dhellmannstevemar : I need a bot so I don't need to paste the link19:57
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mriedemdhellmann: dims: should we put the midcycle meetup dates in the newton release schedule?20:31
mriedemor just milestones?20:31
dimsmriedem : avoiding midcycle(s) in there20:32
dimsmilestones are good mriedem20:32
mriedemok20:32
mriedemnow that i have all of these dates i just have to spew them everywhere!20:33
dims:)20:33
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases: Add Nova-specific milestones to the Newton release schedule  https://review.openstack.org/31224520:45
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openstackgerritHongbin Lu proposed openstack/releases: Release python-magnumclient 2.1.0  https://review.openstack.org/31190722:16
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