Tuesday, 2019-06-18

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emccormicko/14:03
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shintarohi14:04
mihalis68_hi14:04
mihalis68_#startmeeting ops-meetup-team14:04
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun 18 14:04:31 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:04
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)"14:04
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team'14:04
smcginniso/14:04
mihalis68_I haven't put together the agenda for today14:04
mihalis68_I just wanted to wake this up and work out next steps14:04
mihalis68_hi smcginnis and congratulations on teh new role!14:04
mihalis68_time is moving on rapidly, i think we really need the eventbrite ticket to be issued.14:05
mihalis68_I'm going to try and get that done14:05
mihalis68_#action mihalis68_ get the eventbrite issued for the NYC meetup in september14:06
emccormickagreed14:06
emccormickno cover charge this time, right?14:07
mihalis68_that was what I was told when we made the firm offer. I need to reverify with my open source supremo within bloomberg14:07
mihalis68_but no charge and lunch included is the plan! :)14:08
smcginnisAh, that was a Bloomberg thing?14:08
mihalis68_yes14:08
smcginnisCool. Thanks Bloomberg!14:08
mihalis68_we instituted the charge to deter the casual moocher14:08
mihalis68_but I think the government issued ID requirement might scare such people off (just a guess)14:08
mihalis68_will you be able to come still, given your new job?14:08
smcginnisNot sure yet.14:09
smcginnisI plan on discussing events and travel later this week, so hopefully I will know soon.14:09
emccormickYou're supposed to get these things put in your employment contract :D14:09
smcginnis;)14:09
emccormickSure I'll come work for you, but I must be funded to attend all Ops Meetups and Summits14:10
mihalis68_heh no job heckling here plz14:10
emccormick*taunts you most egregiously*14:10
emccormickWhat's your impression of the crowdedness at the ping pong place?14:10
mihalis68_ok, skeletal agenda now up14:10
mihalis68_#link #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team14:10
emccormickare we going to need a reservation?14:10
mihalis68_I mentioned the idea to boss^2 and he was tentatively in favor14:11
emccormickdepends on attendance to some extent I suppose14:11
mihalis68_it might be that we get the booking and some other attending organisation gets some money in for snacks and drinks14:11
mihalis68_can't promise that14:11
mihalis68_#action mihalis68_ to check if we can also do wearespin booking for ops meetup in NYC, September14:12
emccormickWhat's required for a booking?14:12
mihalis68_emccormick knows about this because I shared photos of a recent bloomberg leadership event there14:12
mihalis68_I'll find out14:12
mihalis68_I think a few tables is cheap, but we had a table+food+drink for 2 hour deal14:13
mihalis68_I can still hit a pingpong ball ok in good light, but two steps further back from the table I'm hopeless #damnyouaging14:13
smcginnisEven if we had to do something like reserved tables, but food and drink is on your own or up to another company to cover, I thin kthat would be fine.14:13
mihalis68_yeah, I'll err on the side of getting something done, instead of holding out for something more lavish14:14
mihalis68_we don't need lavish14:14
mihalis68_in case anyone isn't familiar, it's basically a pingpong hall with attached bar/grill on the side. I love it14:14
mihalis68_other than that, I would like to repeat the encouragemnet to get topics up, and +1 existing ones14:15
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emccormickI put a couple things before but haven't looked in a couple weeks. Need to follow up on that14:15
emccormickmaybe another twitter ping is in order14:15
mihalis68_#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC19-OPS-MEETUP14:16
shintarowe have about 13 topic proposals14:16
mihalis68_ok. I'll retweet the link14:17
mihalis68_I'd like the ops team to make the decision on moving topics from proposed to accepted14:17
mihalis68_should we start that next week?14:17
smcginnis+114:17
med_+114:17
mihalis68_the bit that's missing right now is agreed or at least penciled in moderators14:17
mihalis68_I imagine this here meeting will provide moderators for a few14:18
shintaro+114:18
* med_ could likely moderate stuff but won't have a lot to contribute other than refereeing14:18
mihalis68_and for example the redhat proposed octavia one proposes the moderator at the same time14:18
mihalis68_med_ that's all the moderator really has to do14:18
med_yep14:18
mihalis68_some moderators do lead technically, but not required14:18
mihalis68_I've moderated a ceph session or two in front of Sage Weill :)14:19
med_been there, done that. warm body with black and white livery to ref.14:19
emccormickand shout "wake the @#$% up!" periodically14:19
mihalis68_ha ha14:19
mihalis68_also med_ throws more swag than the next nearest 10 moderators - this counts for a lot14:19
emccormickstay awake or be hit in the face with a fedora-wearing duck14:19
mihalis68_(but also not required! :)14:19
med_you got that right.14:20
mihalis68_I always wanted a James Gosling t-shirt gun14:20
* med_ is sitting in front of leftover swag from Vancouver summit14:20
med_all flingable14:20
mihalis68_excellent14:20
mihalis68_where I can see a popular topic with moderator I will start an etherpad, and then we will agree that those topics are officially on the agenda starting next week14:21
mihalis68_yes?14:21
emccormicksounds good14:22
mihalis68_cool14:22
shintarosounds reasonable14:22
mihalis68_that's it for now for NYC (and that's a lot!)14:22
mihalis68_thanks for the feedback14:22
mihalis68_I feel like mentioning shanghai deadlines are coming up now14:22
* smcginnis notices mihalis68_ gets all the #actions14:22
mihalis68_#topic next openstack summit14:22
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smcginnisCFP ends soon, so if anyone has a good talk idea, please get that in.14:23
mihalis68_smcginnis it's ok for NYC, it's literally part of my job14:23
shintarodo we have OpsMeetup room in Shanghai?14:23
med_ashleigh ferguson (or ashlee I forget) is definitely looking for submissions14:23
mihalis68_spotz and I were here last week14:23
emccormickops meetup in shanghai seems dicey now based on the PTG structure14:23
mihalis68_she says Erin asked how many people an ops meetup at the summit would be and she replied 15-2014:24
emccormickI kinda thought it was no problem but now I don't know14:24
mihalis68_I saw the PTG email but ... tl;dr14:24
emccormick15-20?? seems kinda light14:24
mihalis68_can summarize plz?14:24
emccormickbut who knows14:24
emccormicksummary: large teams will have a dedicated room but most teams will be in a large shared space14:24
emccormickie. It didn't sound like a lot of room14:25
mihalis68_well, china is pretty small after all14:25
emccormickalso PTG starts on Wednesday (Summit day 3)14:25
mihalis68_^ joke-type humor-thing, hopefully obvious14:25
emccormickso Forum is only 2 days. They neglect to mention that it's really 1.5 days because keynotes blow up monday morning14:25
shintaroSo OpsMeetup will be one of the PTG sessions in open space?14:26
mihalis68_maybe we can divide and conquer a bit? Erik and Sean maybe you can have a look at what's possible for shanghai for ops?14:26
emccormickHonestly I dunno. It would seem it would need to be given that's the only other part of the event happening those days14:26
emccormickI guess an email to Erin and Kendall is in order?14:27
mihalis68_I am hesitant to officially be part of PTG for ops14:27
mihalis68_there's a sort of impedance mismatch14:27
emccormickI don't think it's meant to be part of PTG at all14:27
emccormickbut that space is what's available unless we go somewhere on our own14:27
emccormickand that complicates things quite a bit14:27
mihalis68_can I action you to survey latest facts and email the people who might be able help clarify?14:28
emccormickYes I will be the spammer14:28
mihalis68_#action emccormick to sp... email people to work out what we may be able to do for ops meetup in shanghai14:28
mihalis68_anything else about shanghai for today?14:28
emccormicknyet14:29
mihalis68_#topic ops meetups 202014:29
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shintaroI've contacted Jay from Korea and confirmed that he is okay to move to 2nd 2020 for Korea14:29
mihalis68_I had an action to look at how the regional rotation might work for future meetups14:29
mihalis68_have not had a chance14:29
mihalis68_action continues14:29
mihalis68_aha, that's great, thanks Shintaro!14:30
mihalis68_does this mean meetup #1 would be in the USA?14:30
mihalis68_I forget14:30
mihalis68_I think erik like USA, other, USA, other214:30
shintaroEU if I remember correct14:30
emccormickWe talked about doing EU and skipping a USA14:30
mihalis68_or at least NA14:30
mihalis68_ah ok14:30
emccormickjust this once to reset the rotation14:30
mihalis68_is there an idea for an EU ops meetup in 2020?14:30
mihalis68_sorry, didn't prepare for today, lots going on here14:30
emccormickso NYC->EU->APAC->US14:31
mihalis68_we can try14:31
emccormickthen resume the every other North America one14:31
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mihalis68_works for me, but may be self-serving14:31
emccormickif it doesn't work, so be it, but it would get us in better opposition to Summit locaitons14:31
mihalis68_ok14:31
mihalis68_seems like an agreed rough working goal14:32
mihalis68_we could tweet this out too14:32
emccormickso then for 2020 Part One we would look for an EU host14:32
mihalis68_see if there are EU hosts thinking about it14:32
mihalis68_snap!14:32
mihalis68_I'll tweet it14:32
mihalis68_from our shared twitter14:32
emccormickand I think Simon or somebody had a volunteer?14:32
mihalis68_seems familiar14:33
smcginnisLet's invade CERN again. :)14:33
emccormickhopefully the tweet will wake them14:33
mihalis68_again? I've never been!14:33
mihalis68_so jealous14:33
smcginnisMe neither, that's why I want a do-over.14:33
emccormickYeah that'd be super14:33
mihalis68_absolutely14:33
emccormickAll Neutron-related sessions to be held in the LHC14:34
shintaroSomewhere Nordic would be nice, too14:34
emccormick*nod*14:34
mihalis68_a friend of mine keeps going arctic circle porsche ice driving and tells me I must try it14:34
* smcginnis really likes Copenhagen14:35
smcginnismihalis68_: Get studded tires on the Porsche? :D14:35
mihalis68_so it needs to be here: https://experience.porsche.com/en/ice14:35
spotzSorry I'm late14:35
mihalis68_welcome spotz14:35
emccormicko/14:35
mihalis68_erik is actioned to email people and try to work out if an ops meetup in shanghai is still doable14:35
med_I liked Copenhagen a lot and would readily return.14:36
med_but I'm open to any Nordic or LHC trips.14:36
mihalis68_would rather drive their car on ice14:36
mihalis68_med_ you're a lapsed hard sciencer right?14:36
mihalis68_rocket surgeon or similar?14:37
med_not really, but was very interested. I was a EE in school. Ah, did some guidance work for the USAF.14:37
mihalis68_aha!14:37
med_but not bleeding edge. Merely replacing what was done with TTL with a computer.14:37
med_so I claim (a little bit) that I was a rocket scientist.14:37
mihalis68_you're a rocket scientist like I'm a submariner14:37
mihalis68_:P14:37
med_probably so.14:37
mihalis68_think we might be near to done14:38
mihalis68_#topic any other business14:38
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* med_ has been in a stationery inland submarine but only in a rocket launch tube, not the actual rocket itself.14:38
mihalis68_is there any comment on this meeting cadence, timing etc?14:38
mihalis68_nobody turned up the past two weeks, but That's Ok (tm)14:38
emccormickfine with me14:38
shintaronope14:38
mihalis68_ok then, last call for comments, suggestions , gripes14:38
emccormickjust work hell ruined previous weeks. No time would have worked better14:39
mihalis68_understood14:39
mihalis68_this is why I like being involved with operators in particular14:39
mihalis68_we go and get dirty-handed, so to speak14:39
mihalis68_ok occasionally we get completely blown up, but that's the job14:39
mihalis68_we just found a fantastically awful bug in ubuntu14:40
med_win?14:40
mihalis68_on certain kernels the "TLB shootdowns" can paralyze an entire hypervisor for many seconds14:40
mihalis68_guests see kernel exceptions, kernel crashes, packet loss, you name it14:40
med_ick.14:40
mihalis68_anyway, deploying a newer kernel today and so happy14:40
emccormickThat's icky14:41
mihalis68_basically the background chores can build up and it takes a blocking vacation to go clean up14:41
mihalis68_dirty page handling14:41
mihalis68_not ubuntu _per se_14:41
mihalis68_I just mean the kernel we happened to be running (ubuntu distro)14:41
emccormickjust their chosen version14:42
mihalis68_yeah14:42
mihalis68_last weeks fun was IP address renumbering an entire cluster *whilst preserving VMs*14:42
emccormickI like my old stale Centos kernels TYVM14:42
emccormickhehe14:42
emccormick3.10 FTW14:42
mihalis68_ok, my diversionary tactics didn't throw up any more ops meetups team business14:42
mihalis68_last call14:42
mihalis68_good luck to smcginnis on defining his new role! We hope he can continue with us here :)14:43
mihalis68_#endmeeting14:43
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mihalis68_apologies for the "royal we". Used sparingly14:43
mihalis68_thanks everyone14:43
emccormickhehe14:44
shintarothank you14:44
* med_ thinks those will be good war story topics in NYC14:44
mihalis68_yeah!14:44
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mihalis68_I don't actually remember how to do those indented parenthetical comments SUCH JEALOUS14:44
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smcginnisThanks mihalis68_14:46
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spotzThanks all15:02
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