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| bauzas | good morning Nova | 08:41 |
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| gibi | bauzas: good morning | 08:47 |
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| xiaolin | hello guys, I'm trying to run openstack on a host with MIPS architecture, but got an error "Instance failed to spawn: libvirtError: internal error: unexpected host-model CPU for mips64el architecture" while creating an instance. | 09:04 |
| xiaolin | Anyone can guide me how I can contribute a fix to upstream? need I report a bug first? | 09:04 |
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| gibi | xiaolin: does this similar to what belmoreira requested here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1863728 | 09:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1863728 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova can't create instances for a different arch" [Wishlist,Invalid] | 09:18 |
| gibi | xiaolin: we will discuss ^^ today during the PTG https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-victoria-ptg | 09:19 |
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| xiaolin | gibi: The problem I encountered is not similar to what belmoreira requested | 09:27 |
| xiaolin | gibi: the host and instance are both MIPS architecture | 09:28 |
| alex_xu | gibi: sean-k-mooney does neutron already report physical network interface resource provider? accroding to the spec https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/neutron-specs/specs/rocky/minimum-bandwidth-allocation-placement-api.html | 09:28 |
| * alex_xu sorry for inject the discussion | 09:29 | |
| gibi | xiaolin: I see. Then I don't have a direct answer. the libvirt error suggest that something is missing from the libvirt side. Are you able to start a VM purely with libvirt / virsh on your host? | 09:30 |
| belmoreira | gibi xiaolin unfortunately I won't be able to join | 09:30 |
| gibi | belmoreira: thanks for the headsup, we will discuss it anyhow | 09:31 |
| gibi | alex_xu: neutron reports SRIOV PF and OVS bridge as RP in placement with physnet and vnic type trait | 09:31 |
| alex_xu | gibi: got it | 09:31 |
| gibi | alex_xu: but only if bandwidth is defined in the agent conf for these devices | 09:32 |
| alex_xu | gibi: just read the cyborg sriov doc, begin to think about..cyborg will report any RP for PF... | 09:32 |
| alex_xu | s/report any/report another/ | 09:32 |
| xiaolin | gibi: Yes, I can start a VM purely with libvirt / virsh on my host | 09:32 |
| gibi | alex_xu: I guess we have to decide if neutron or cyborg owns the PF | 09:33 |
| alex_xu | gibi: ok, if they are totally two feature, should be ok. Since those cyborg PF's RP should be managed by cyborg...not sure how cyborg and neutron merge them... | 09:33 |
| alex_xu | gibi: yea, that is something to decide | 09:33 |
| gibi | xiaolin: please look at the host-model documentation https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/admin/configuration/hypervisor-kvm.html#specify-the-cpu-model-of-kvm-guests you might need to configure the nova a bit differently for using your hardware. | 09:36 |
| gibi | xiaolin: also I hope kashyap could help from libvirt perspective | 09:37 |
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| xiaolin | gibi: Thank you. I will read the documentation | 09:41 |
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| kashyap | xiaolin: Oh, MIPS ... you are the first I've come across here :) | 10:12 |
| kashyap | gibi: xiaolin: So the error "unexpected host-model" simply means, MIPS in libvirt doesn't have the notion of 'host-model' | 10:12 |
| kashyap | So, let me check what's possible there... | 10:13 |
| kashyap | xiaolin: What you could try is: launch your `qemu-system-mips -cpu help` (or whatever the MIPS QEMU binary is called) | 10:15 |
| kashyap | xiaolin: On the Compute host, and configure that as an explicit CPU model in Nova: | 10:15 |
| gibi | kashyap: thanks for the help :) | 10:16 |
| kashyap | [libvirt] | 10:16 |
| kashyap | cpu_mode = custom | 10:16 |
| kashyap | cpu_model = $My_MIPS_CPU_FIXME | 10:16 |
| kashyap | gibi: Happy to be useful :) | 10:17 |
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| sean-k-mooney | alex_xu: they way the cyborg driver work there is no filtering so yes it would report any PF that the driver could manage | 10:32 |
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| sean-k-mooney | gibi: today nova owns the pf not neutron | 10:33 |
| sean-k-mooney | neutron only owns the bandwidth | 10:33 |
| sean-k-mooney | when we start reporting pci device to placement form nova we will be the ones creating the inventories for the VFs | 10:34 |
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| gibi | sean-k-mooney: today neutron creates the PF RPs and reports bandiwdth inventory on it, when we start reporting VF inventory from nova we need to agree with neutron who creates the PF RP or we have to create two RPs for a PF one from neutron perspective and one from nova perspective and then connect them somehow | 10:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | gibi: nova need to do it because it needs to be consitient with non nic pci devices | 10:44 |
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| sean-k-mooney | unless we are going to specal case when the device has a physnet tag on the pci whitelist | 10:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | which we coudl do but then we need two different code paths | 10:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | gibi: ideally it would end up being one RP | 10:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | unless we extend placemets data model with a way to link rps | 10:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | gibi: quick question do you want a blueprint or a spec to track the machine type recodeing work? | 10:54 |
| sean-k-mooney | as part of that i would like to start reporing avialble machine types as traits to placemnt and the schdlueling on that | 10:54 |
| sean-k-mooney | e.g. if we do a move opperation on an exsting instance i want to ensure we land it on a host that supports that machine type | 10:55 |
| sean-k-mooney | and if we are creating a new instance and you request a machine type in the image i want to ensure we land on a host that supports that too | 10:56 |
| sean-k-mooney | both of which would be done by a prefilter | 10:56 |
| sean-k-mooney | just addign the required tratit based on the instance system metadata or image metdata | 10:57 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: sorry I was lunching. | 11:00 |
| sean-k-mooney | no worries | 11:00 |
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| gibi | sean-k-mooney: agree that it would be nice to have on RP for one physical entity (like a PF or other PCI device) | 11:01 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: I just wanted to note that this might requires changes both from nova and neutron | 11:01 |
| gibi | btw placement has two ways today to link RPs, one is the parent-child relationship and the other is aggregates | 11:01 |
| sean-k-mooney | yep altought i was thinking more of something like a symlink | 11:02 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: I guess you don't need db schema rpc or REST API changes for the machine type recording work so I think a bp is enough | 11:03 |
| sean-k-mooney | aggreate wont work because we can do member of in this case | 11:03 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: yeah aggregates would be a bit ugly I agree | 11:03 |
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| sean-k-mooney | and parent-child likely wont work because we neither nova or neutron knows the uuid/name that will be used for the RP | 11:03 |
| sean-k-mooney | that said we can work this out when we need too | 11:04 |
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| sean-k-mooney | gibi: are you ok with also doing the traits reporting and prefileter in the same specless blueprint. | 11:05 |
| sean-k-mooney | ill write it up and i guess we can decide then | 11:06 |
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| sean-k-mooney | i assume a specless blueprint is also fine for the doc change to add the common profiles(nfv,realtime,modren) that we talked about too | 11:07 |
| sean-k-mooney | im going to try and get those up before we resume today | 11:07 |
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| gibi | sean-k-mooney: the prefilter work is a bit of a grey area as I guess that needs a new config flag to enable since old computes will not report the traits | 11:11 |
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| gibi | so you might only want to enable the prefilter after all your computes are on V | 11:11 |
| sean-k-mooney | yes although we could auto enable based on the min compute service version too. | 11:12 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: specless bp for the hw:profile doc is totally OK | 11:12 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: OK, note this upgrade wrinkel in the specless bp then I'm OK | 11:12 |
| sean-k-mooney | sure will do. if i end up having to write a small spec its not the end of the world either but we will see what other think once its up | 11:13 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: we will bring this bp up in the next nova meeting for approval so the rest of the team can complain if they need more words about it | 11:13 |
| sean-k-mooney | sure works for me | 11:13 |
| gibi | awesome | 11:13 |
| gibi | thanks | 11:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Make Feature Liaison optional https://review.opendev.org/730638 | 11:48 |
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| gibi | nova will continue the PTG session in 30 minutes in the Juno Zoom room. | 12:30 |
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| sean-k-mooney | crap already i guess i better get coffee and water ready so | 12:32 |
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| gibi | I've just did the same, water, coffee, and replaced the air in the room :) | 12:34 |
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| gmann | gibi: added one more topic (in the last) about removing the old and deprecated user level policy restriction. it was reminded by current ML thread. | 12:34 |
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| gmann | it should be ok to remove as we already doing warning for 4 years but good to check in PTG if anyone still using that way. | 12:35 |
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| sean-k-mooney | gibi: i bought a https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samson-SAQ2U-Microphone-Recording-Pack/dp/B001R747SG dnymic mic and stand so i can turn on my ceiling fan without out it being picked up without having to use a headset | 12:36 |
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| gibi | gmann: Is it OK to for you if I move that topic up to the first slot today where we anyhow talk about removals and deprecation? | 12:37 |
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| gibi | sean-k-mooney: that mic look serious :) | 12:37 |
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| gmann | gibi: yeah, that is totally fine. | 12:37 |
| gibi | gmann: cool | 12:38 |
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| gmann | thanks | 12:38 |
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| sean-k-mooney | gibi: well i work form home permently and have calls regualarly but ya its a live stage mic that alot of twitch/game stream also use. for like 60 euro its good value too | 12:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova-specs master: Make Feature Liaison optional https://review.opendev.org/730638 | 12:42 |
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| gibi | sean-k-mooney: yeah, sounds like a good idea for a home office. I only do full home office due to COVID | 12:46 |
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| gmann | johnthetubaguy: you want to do quick fix on release name in https://review.opendev.org/#/c/732173/1 | 12:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann: oops, looking | 12:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Re-propose Unified Limits in Nova https://review.opendev.org/732173 | 12:51 |
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| alex_xu | sean-k-mooney: gibi so for neutron sriov agent, I guess it has no way to discover the VF? since it won't read from libvirt | 12:53 |
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| sean-k-mooney | alex_xu: it does but not in a useful way | 12:59 |
| sean-k-mooney | you have to list the netdev names of the PF in its config | 12:59 |
| sean-k-mooney | and it uses iptool i think | 13:00 |
| gibi | alex_xu: nova sends pci_slot information to neutron in the binding profile but yeah as sean-k-mooney said the pci whitelist is on nova side today to specify what VF and PF resource is usable | 13:00 |
| sean-k-mooney | gibi: we do also send the pci addres in the pci_slot key | 13:00 |
| gibi | so nova has the VF resource view | 13:00 |
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| sean-k-mooney | but that is used only when we are plugging or unplugging the port | 13:01 |
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| artom | gdi, y'all are talking and I can't hear you, can I? | 13:07 |
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| alex_xu_ | gibi: sean-k-mooney I'm just thinking of that the neutron sriov agent won't be able to manage vf even in the future. (not today, today nova manage it) | 13:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova-specs master: Re-propose Unified Limits in Nova https://review.opendev.org/732173 | 13:12 |
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| sean-k-mooney | alex_xu_: right i dont think it will or should manage the vfs | 13:16 |
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| artom | Dammit, you need a Zoom account to change your audio output settings >_< | 13:25 |
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| sean-k-mooney | artom: you should not | 13:29 |
| sean-k-mooney | i can change mine and i dont have one | 13:29 |
| artom | sean-k-mooney, in the client? | 13:29 |
| sean-k-mooney | in both the client and the browser | 13:29 |
| artom | sean-k-mooney, 'cuz I didn't find any way to do it. Even their official doc states you have to be logged in | 13:29 |
| dansmith | advanced settings need an app I think | 13:29 |
| artom | sean-k-mooney, https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362283-Testing-computer-or-device-audio | 13:29 |
| dansmith | including advanced network | 13:29 |
| sean-k-mooney | artom: what are you trying to change | 13:30 |
| artom | sean-k-mooney, audio output to go to my BT headphones | 13:30 |
| sean-k-mooney | if you click the arror on mic | 13:30 |
| artom | It was outputting to stereo out, where nothing is currently plugged in | 13:30 |
| sean-k-mooney | then you can change the output | 13:30 |
| artom | sean-k-mooney, oh christ, yes, it's there, you're right | 13:30 |
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| stephenfin | artom: your gain is waaaay too high | 13:38 |
| sean-k-mooney | artom: the zoom app auto adjust your volume | 13:39 |
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| sean-k-mooney | or can so maybe look at that it in the extra options via the same arror menue | 13:39 |
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| artom | stephenfin, but my gainz are way too low :( Stupid gyms closing | 13:41 |
| stephenfin | artom: you know where the door is | 13:41 |
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| sean-k-mooney | artom: you are now a bit quite but that is an imporvement | 13:50 |
| gibi | gmann: it is policy stuff in the nova room | 13:54 |
| bauzas | gibi: patches from dansmith about the compute 5.0 API bump https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:queens-rpc-bump+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 13:54 |
| dansmith | bauzas: yeah | 13:55 |
| gmann | gibi: 1 min joinin | 13:55 |
| bauzas | gibi: the proxy dansmith told https://review.opendev.org/#/c/541005/6/nova/compute/manager.py@7750 | 13:55 |
| gibi | gmann: we will discuss the policy stuff after the break at 5 minute past the hour | 13:55 |
| gibi | gmann: so no rush | 13:55 |
| bauzas | anyway, less a deal to write the 6.0 proxy than the 5.0 | 13:55 |
| gibi | bauzas: thanks! | 13:55 |
| gmann | gibi: ok | 13:55 |
| bauzas | err, the 5.x proxy I mean | 13:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/nova master: Always reset CONF when starting the wsgi app https://review.opendev.org/733627 | 14:27 |
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| stephenfin | kashyap: you're up next | 14:47 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: Just a moment, wrapping up another thing, sorry | 14:49 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: What's the topic? /me goes to check the Etherpad... | 14:51 |
| stephenfin | q35 | 14:51 |
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| kashyap | Line-435? We already talked a bit; see line-445 on the AGREED bit | 14:52 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: ^ | 14:52 |
| kashyap | But sure, if there's anything else to be touched on that, can certainly speak up... | 14:53 |
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| kashyap | gibi: stephenfin: Has the topic flew by? Which line this whole ARM topic on? | 14:56 |
| stephenfin | the previous one (line 427) | 14:56 |
| kashyap | Ah, we're on line-427 currently | 14:56 |
| gibi | kashyap: 427 yes | 14:56 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: Yep, just see it, "virtualized architectures" | 14:56 |
| dansmith | sean-k-mooney: so you could just float one DNM patch to some thing to add that queue to get one run of nova on arm yeah? | 14:58 |
| dansmith | I mean, I assume we've never seen that work? | 14:58 |
| sean-k-mooney | yep | 15:00 |
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| dansmith | yep which? can float a job or yep, we've seen it work? | 15:00 |
| sean-k-mooney | you can just do a DNM patch | 15:01 |
| sean-k-mooney | and yes i was looking at patches that do that previously | 15:01 |
| sean-k-mooney | i think there are still a few issue they are working through | 15:01 |
| dansmith | I didn't know we could do that so easily.. now I'm curious if it works as is | 15:01 |
| sean-k-mooney | you just need to refecne the correct pipeline ill see if i can find the patch i was looking at before | 15:02 |
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| sean-k-mooney | its 8 on 3.x kernels | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | sean-k-mooney: ah... | 15:14 |
| sean-k-mooney | becuase that si the most that vhost kernel module supports | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | sean-k-mooney: guest limit, or host limit, or both? | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah | 15:14 |
| sean-k-mooney | in 4.X its 256 | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, interesting, thanks | 15:15 |
| sean-k-mooney | we now have a config option so you can tell nova what it is if its different | 15:15 |
| kashyap | gibi: I need to drop to run a quick errand, afraid | 15:15 |
| gibi | kashyap: do you have other topics on the etherpad? | 15:15 |
| kashyap | gibi: Not that I know of | 15:16 |
| gibi | I don't see any | 15:16 |
| gibi | OK. thanks for joining | 15:16 |
| kashyap | I'm curious to hear stephenfin's topic of "documentation is awful" (line-474) - please take some notes on it on the Etherpad :) | 15:16 |
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| gibi | kashyap: ack | 15:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/configuration/config.html#filter_scheduler.max_io_ops_per_host | 15:30 |
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| melwitt | sean-k-mooney: just curious, how can you know there's not enough swap configured before any instances are booted so you know the flavor? | 15:56 |
| CeeMac | hi sean-k-mooney and melwitt ; regarding or chat yesterday around shelving, we've done some testing today and it would appear that even in shelved_offloaded state an instance is accumulating usage and the resources still appear allocated in the project quota | 15:56 |
| CeeMac | im back to being perplexed | 15:57 |
| melwitt | CeeMac: oh... this is sounding familiar :( | 15:57 |
| CeeMac | well, that doesnt sound good :/ | 15:57 |
| CeeMac | i'm running rocky btw | 15:58 |
| melwitt | long ago, when the shelve API was added I am recalling that we don't release quota while instance is shelved. but I didn't realize that would cause it to count as the simple tenant usage. but it makes sense that it would | 15:58 |
| melwitt | the reasoning behind that decision was, not to let the user ever be in a position where they cannot unshelve for lack of quota | 15:59 |
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| CeeMac | yeah, i was actually having that conversation with my colleagues around implications to consider when shelving | 16:00 |
| CeeMac | i guess, at least in the way I'm ingesting the data, it depends on how horizon is building its usage information for Admin | Overview | Usage summary | 16:01 |
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| CeeMac | let me see if I can pull some data from the openstack cli | 16:03 |
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| CeeMac | apparently I cant /fail | 16:16 |
| melwitt | CeeMac: trying to get the same data that horizon shows you? | 16:17 |
| CeeMac | yeah for the instances specifically | 16:17 |
| CeeMac | i see the project usage in general | 16:17 |
| CeeMac | although it wont show any details for the admin project | 16:17 |
| CeeMac | which is odd (maybe) | 16:18 |
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| CeeMac | openstack usage show/list I've tried | 16:18 |
| melwitt | ok I was about to ask, that should be the right command | 16:18 |
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| CeeMac | I could have sworn i'd seen something about instance usage when I was reading up yesterday, but I can't find it now if I did | 16:18 |
| CeeMac | yeah, list only has some projects | 16:19 |
| CeeMac | i'll maybe try with a different rc file, one sec | 16:19 |
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| CeeMac | yeah, thats not helped. I'll retry the test in demo project as I can see that | 16:22 |
| CeeMac | although openstack usage show only gives the totals, not per instance | 16:23 |
| CeeMac | ok I'm stumped | 16:29 |
| melwitt | I need to look a deeper at it because obviously horizon is getting it somehow, to be able to tell you how to do it with the cli | 16:29 |
| CeeMac | no worries | 16:31 |
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| CeeMac | i think maybe the actual api is more capable than what is implemented in the cli just now, from what I remember seeing reading through api-ref last night | 16:32 |
| CeeMac | direct call api stuff is a bit beyond me at the moment though | 16:32 |
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| gmann | stephenfin: this one i was talking, i added index page for tempest plugins having some link on tempest do "Stable Branch * Policy" - https://docs.openstack.org/tempest/latest/plugins/index.html | 16:35 |
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| dansmith | stephenfin: your picture is dark so I can't tell if you were receiving my good-natured jabbing properly | 17:02 |
| stephenfin | Heh, all good. See Zoom chat | 17:03 |
| dansmith | ah heh yeah | 17:03 |
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| sean-k-mooney | melwitt: sorry didnt see that till now. total_ram * allocation ratio - reserved should <= total_ram + swap | 17:23 |
| sean-k-mooney | so that would be the init_host check | 17:24 |
| sean-k-mooney | the per vm check is if i add up the MEMORY_MB for all vms on this host is it larger then total ram | 17:24 |
| sean-k-mooney | if so warn | 17:24 |
| sean-k-mooney | the less agressive warning would be to warn on total_ram + swap | 17:25 |
| sean-k-mooney | instead of > then total ram but once your are over total ram you are in OOM killer terrorty | 17:25 |
| melwitt | sean-k-mooney: ah I see, thanks | 17:26 |
| sean-k-mooney | melwitt: do you rememebr the nova bug for that transport thing i borught up at the end | 17:27 |
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| sean-k-mooney | melwitt: i remember debuging it with you at the time | 17:27 |
| melwitt | yeah vaguely | 17:27 |
| melwitt | it's the mandatory flag for oslo messaging | 17:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | yes | 17:28 |
| melwitt | I don't remember if we opened a bug about that specifically or what bug we referred to when talking about it | 17:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | so it looks like there is an example of using it here | 17:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | https://github.com/Gsantomaggio/rabbitmq-utils/blob/master/openstack/mandatory_test/mandatory_client_fail.py#L40-L54 | 17:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | well i guess https://github.com/Gsantomaggio/rabbitmq-utils/blob/master/openstack/mandatory_test/mandatory_test.py#L35-L45 | 17:29 |
| sean-k-mooney | is a better example | 17:29 |
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| sean-k-mooney | but what im not clear on is shoudl we just be setting it on every call or just when we do a topic send | 17:30 |
| sean-k-mooney | the examples seam to be for topic sends | 17:31 |
| melwitt | yeah, prob have the ask oslo peeps | 17:32 |
| melwitt | cause I dunno either | 17:32 |
| sean-k-mooney | i guess i could propose a patch and try adding it to things and see what breaks | 17:33 |
| sean-k-mooney | https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/1849741 | 17:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1849741 in oslo.messaging "TransportOptions are not documented" [Medium,Triaged] | 17:33 |
| sean-k-mooney | that does not help however | 17:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: Add reproducer for bug #1881455 https://review.opendev.org/733667 | 17:34 |
| openstack | bug 1881455 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "migrate server reporting list index out of bound" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1881455 | 17:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: Use 'Exception.__traceback__' for versioned notifications https://review.opendev.org/733668 | 17:34 |
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| sean-k-mooney | stephenfin: by the way i don tthink you have to use Exception.__traceback__ directly anymore | 17:39 |
| sean-k-mooney | infact that is an anti patteren i think | 17:39 |
| melwitt | sean-k-mooney: could it have been this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1854992 | 17:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1854992 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Frequent instances stuck in BUILD with no apparent failure" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 17:40 |
| sean-k-mooney | melwitt: yep that was the nova bug | 17:40 |
| sean-k-mooney | well i think it was the second one | 17:41 |
| melwitt | ok, can you write a note on it so we can have more hope to find it next time xD | 17:41 |
| melwitt | the only reason I found that was because I thought I remembered erik reporting it | 17:41 |
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| sean-k-mooney | yep erik is from blizzard right | 17:42 |
| melwitt | yeah | 17:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | options = oslo_messaging.TransportOptions(at_least_once=True) | 17:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | client = oslo_messaging.RPCClient(transport, | 17:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | target, | 17:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | transport_options=options) | 17:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | so i think that is all we have to do | 17:42 |
| melwitt | I wonder if there's a way we could test that it does something | 17:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | where we do this https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/rpc.py#L208-L212 | 17:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | and well the other RPC clients | 17:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | that is what https://github.com/Gsantomaggio/rabbitmq-utils/tree/master/openstack/mandatory_test is trying to do | 17:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | when it fails to deliver a message to the queue | 17:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | we will get a oslo_messaging.exceptions.MessageUndeliverable | 17:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | exception | 17:45 |
| melwitt | yeah I mean, how do you create that env where it would have raised MessageUndeliverable? | 17:45 |
| melwitt | just stop rabbitmq process or? | 17:45 |
| melwitt | just curious how to repro and see it fix the problem | 17:46 |
| sean-k-mooney | no you need to send a message to a queue that does not exist | 17:46 |
| melwitt | ok, I don't know how to do that I guess | 17:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | we could create an exchange without any queue and jsut send a message to a random queue name | 17:47 |
| melwitt | or is that the 'foo' in the example | 17:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya so we can sed to foo | 17:48 |
| sean-k-mooney | but not create foo | 17:48 |
| melwitt | ok. shows how much I know about rabbitmq :P | 17:48 |
| sean-k-mooney | well i think that is how this works | 17:48 |
| melwitt | cool. I'm just thinking about a one-off local test just so we know we set the option in the right place and get the improved behavior. since the unit tests that go with the patch will only be checking "did you pass mandatory at this call site" | 17:49 |
| sean-k-mooney | i wondering if we could do an opertunistic functional test or something | 17:50 |
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| sean-k-mooney | e.g. if rabbitmq is avaiable and we have a nova.conf with creads connect and try and to do cause the excption | 17:51 |
| sean-k-mooney | i would assume/hope oslo messaging does that | 17:51 |
| melwitt | yeah I dunno about that | 17:52 |
| melwitt | I didn't think we have rabbitmq available in those | 17:52 |
| sean-k-mooney | i can hope | 17:52 |
| sean-k-mooney | we dont in nova | 17:52 |
| sean-k-mooney | we use the inmemory oslo messaging driver | 17:53 |
| sean-k-mooney | for our functional tests | 17:53 |
| melwitt | yeah but that's the 'fake' driver. yeah I mean maybe it models that scenario? I was doubting | 17:54 |
| sean-k-mooney | https://github.com/openstack/oslo.messaging/blob/e44c9883066d9b2d081a594b97aac3d598d491c9/oslo_messaging/tests/functional/test_functional.py#L154-L186 | 17:56 |
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| sean-k-mooney | so based on the fact that skips if its not rabbit:// | 17:57 |
| sean-k-mooney | i would guess that it only works if its aviable | 17:57 |
| melwitt | ok. besides that, that makes it look like we need to do more than just set the flag right? we have to do something to handle MessageUndeliverable | 17:59 |
| sean-k-mooney | yes | 17:59 |
| sean-k-mooney | which woudl depend on the rpc call | 17:59 |
| sean-k-mooney | for spwan i guess put the vm to error state? | 17:59 |
| sean-k-mooney | not really sure about what we woudl do for anything else | 18:00 |
| melwitt | ah so this is more complicated than I thought | 18:01 |
| melwitt | I thought all we'd have to do is set the flag and then oslo.messaging would reconnect us and retry or something like that | 18:01 |
| sean-k-mooney | the issue is that the queue that the compute agent created nolonger exsits but the compute agent does not know that. so unless we had the compute agent call itself on that queue in a heart beat we would not know we had to recreate the queue | 18:01 |
| sean-k-mooney | melwitt: im not sure if we can create the queue or if it has to be the compute agent | 18:02 |
| sean-k-mooney | the compute agent normally creates the queue when it connect to rabbitmq | 18:02 |
| sean-k-mooney | which is why restarting the compuate agent fixes the problem | 18:02 |
| sean-k-mooney | so at a minium we can log that the agent is unreachable. we could even mark the agent as down but that leaves the question of who will make it up again once its restarted | 18:03 |
| melwitt | yeah. well, then I'd wonder if we could put try-except in the nova/rpc layer that will create the queue if we get MessageUndeliverable? that way whoever gets the "no queue" state will recreate it? | 18:03 |
| sean-k-mooney | if we had a periodic task in teh compute agent that sent to its own queue then that would work | 18:04 |
| sean-k-mooney | it might work if the conductor or api created it too | 18:04 |
| sean-k-mooney | i just dont know if the compute agent will start litening to the queue when its created by someone else | 18:05 |
| melwitt | yeah I guess I'm thinking it wouldn't matter who creates the queue. like if nova-conductor gets MessageUndeliverable trying to talk to compute, assume the queue is gone and recreate it, and resend | 18:05 |
| melwitt | oh, right | 18:05 |
| melwitt | hm | 18:05 |
| sean-k-mooney | that is why i was suggesting havign the compute agent send to its own queue | 18:06 |
| sean-k-mooney | jsut a simple ping/heatbeat | 18:06 |
| melwitt | periodic does sound like it would work but that doesn't help someone trying to boot an instance and it fails due to this | 18:06 |
| melwitt | but of course better than what we have today | 18:07 |
| sean-k-mooney | we could retry after a short interval? | 18:07 |
| sean-k-mooney | hoping the agent fixes its self? | 18:07 |
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| sean-k-mooney | maybe if we have time tommorow and ben or some of the oslo folks are aroudn we could ask them | 18:08 |
| sean-k-mooney | our i guess i could try it locally | 18:08 |
| melwitt | yeah... I don't love that idea but yeah, would take some thought on some options | 18:08 |
| sean-k-mooney | i could use the rabbitmq gui to delete the queue manually | 18:08 |
| sean-k-mooney | i dont think the manamge ui is isntall by devstack by default but i dont think its that hard to enable | 18:09 |
| sean-k-mooney | if i could repoduce it manually then we could test teh recreate behavior | 18:10 |
| sean-k-mooney | e.g. if i make the condutor recreate it and i still can boot a vm i know it need to be the agent | 18:10 |
| melwitt | right | 18:10 |
| melwitt | yeah doing that would demystify a lot. but yeah gonna be a pain/not ideal if nova-compute would need to re-init to pick up the new queue | 18:11 |
| sean-k-mooney | im going to go figure out what im doing for dinner and then i might give it a try although i kind of want to look into it someother time | 18:14 |
| sean-k-mooney | can you bug me about this if you remember tommorow or next week | 18:14 |
| bnemec | If you have messaging stuff to talk about I would suggest pinging kgiusti to make sure he's available. | 18:14 |
| melwitt | sure. I'll try to write something on the launchpad bug so I don't forget about this a sixth time or whatever we're at now | 18:14 |
| melwitt | in addition | 18:15 |
| sean-k-mooney | bnemec: well we are just trying to figure out how to use the mandataory flag that ye enabled via the transport options correctly | 18:15 |
| sean-k-mooney | but my rabbit mq knoladge is really not good enough to have an intuition about this | 18:16 |
| melwitt | use it + handle the exception that will raise as a result of setting it | 18:16 |
| melwitt | *set it | 18:16 |
| sean-k-mooney | melwitt: hehe yep 6th might be a bit much but at least thrid or forth :) | 18:17 |
| melwitt | :) | 18:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | we finally merge the patch t silance the amqp heart beat error by the way | 18:19 |
| melwitt | #success | 18:19 |
| openstackstatus | melwitt: Added success to Success page (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Successes) | 18:19 |
| melwitt | lol oops | 18:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | hehe | 18:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/724188/5 | 18:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | ok time for food o/ | 18:21 |
| melwitt | o/ | 18:21 |
| melwitt | I forgot about the hashtag success being a thing 😬 | 18:22 |
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| dansmith | melwitt: from a quick scan, nobody has ever made that mistake in the history of the hashtag | 18:56 |
| dansmith | except for the second most recent :P | 18:57 |
| dansmith | (three days go) | 18:57 |
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| melwitt | dansmith: I noticed that. go me | 19:30 |
| melwitt | #special | 19:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Routed network scheduling spec https://review.opendev.org/733703 | 21:23 |
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