Wednesday, 2017-03-22

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mriedemdansmith: you want to get these too? https://review.openstack.org/#/q/I1f5b772bff8fa2dc508c4bdd3dd1f32838594786,n,z00:18
dansmithyar00:19
dansmithand with that,00:21
dansmitheye meow tah00:21
mriedemcute00:21
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openstackgerritTakashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: Refactor a test method including 7 test cases  https://review.openstack.org/39543601:40
openstackgerritTakashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: Refactor a test method including 3 test cases  https://review.openstack.org/39473801:40
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openstackgerritBing Li proposed openstack/python-novaclient master: Remove log translations  https://review.openstack.org/44833601:54
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mriedemzul: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448253/ isn't approved on master or stable/ocata01:55
mriedemoh i guess it's on master01:56
mriedemneed stable/ocata though01:56
zulmriedem: whoops sorry01:56
mriedemthat's fine, the change is merged on master01:56
mriedembut also proposed for ocata01:56
zulmriedem: a little trigger happy ;)01:57
mriedemso excited to see that fixed i guess01:57
mriedemor just tired of hearing about it internally01:57
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zulmriedem: a little from column A a little from column B02:00
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openstackgerritShunli Zhou proposed openstack/nova master: Remove mox from cells/test_cells_rpc_driver.py  https://review.openstack.org/44741202:01
mriedemzul: by all means, feel free to review the backports, they have another change underneath them too though02:02
mriedemhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/I192c61b93bd3736fdfe16b6a6906d58997d3eef9,n,z02:02
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openstackgerritAaron Ding proposed openstack/nova master: Trival fix KeyError exception when start nova-compute  https://review.openstack.org/44835402:44
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openstackgerritGao Yuan proposed openstack/nova master: Remove mox from nova/tests/unit/api/openstack/compute/test_migrations.py  https://review.openstack.org/44837003:23
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openstackgerritGao Yuan proposed openstack/nova master: Remove mox from nova/tests/unit/api/openstack/compute/test_virtual_interfaces.py  https://review.openstack.org/44837703:41
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openstackgerritAaron Ding proposed openstack/nova master: Trival fix KeyError exception when start nova-compute  https://review.openstack.org/44835404:58
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openstackgerritGao Yuan proposed openstack/nova master: Remove mox from nova/tests/unit/consoleauth/test_consoleauth.py  https://review.openstack.org/44838605:18
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openstackgerritlan proposed openstack/os-vif master: Remove log translations  https://review.openstack.org/44786505:49
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openstackgerritGao Yuan proposed openstack/nova master: Remove mox from nova/tests/unit/api/openstack/compute/test_quotas.py  https://review.openstack.org/44839305:50
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openstackgerritBing Li proposed openstack/python-novaclient master: Remove log translations  https://review.openstack.org/44833606:04
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openstackgerritGao Yuan proposed openstack/nova master: Remove mox from nova/tests/unit/consoleauth/test_consoleauth.py  https://review.openstack.org/44838606:15
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openstackgerritYoshihiko Atsumi proposed openstack/nova master: Add confirm resized server functional negative tests  https://review.openstack.org/42107406:35
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openstackgerritlan proposed openstack/os-vif master: Remove log translations  https://review.openstack.org/44786507:08
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openstackgerritBing Li proposed openstack/python-novaclient master: Remove log translations  https://review.openstack.org/44833608:17
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ttxmriedem: yes, the Summit main goal is to use that time to communicate *outside* the team (with users, with prospective new contributors, learning new things), rather than *within* the team. That obviously doesn't prevent people from regrouping, have discussions and dinner, and use common space to hold ad-hoc meetings, but the scheduled space is more oriented towards cross-community communications08:26
openstackgerritBéla Vancsics proposed openstack/nova master: Transform instance.trigger_crash_dump notification  https://review.openstack.org/39622508:26
openstackgerritBalazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Using max api version in notificationt sample test  https://review.openstack.org/44368608:27
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openstackgerritlan proposed openstack/os-vif master: Remove log translations  https://review.openstack.org/44786508:31
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alex_xujohnthetubaguy: sdague appreciate if you have time to take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338051/08:36
openstackgerritlan proposed openstack/os-vif master: Remove log translations  https://review.openstack.org/44786508:39
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openstackgerritlan proposed openstack/os-vif master: Remove log translations  https://review.openstack.org/44786508:46
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bauzasttx: we surely understood that goal08:55
bauzasttx: but we were more wondering whether it was also possible to have meetups for sprints08:55
ttxbauzas: yes, as explained in http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113459.html08:56
bauzasthe 3rd option, right?08:56
ttxyes08:56
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ttxdidn't get lots of feedback on that option, so it you'd like reservable space with some ethercalc, please voice it08:57
ttxif*08:57
bauzasttx: sure, I can follow up08:57
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ttxit's not urgent as you'd probably want to see the full schedule before picking a time that works with everyone08:58
ttxbut we should decide in the coming weeks08:58
bauzasttx: so, just to make it clear, we have a nova-specific etherpad for proposing sessions Forum-style https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Nova-brainstorming08:58
bauzasthose proposals would be done using cheddar, right?08:58
bauzasbesides that, we were asking for meetup space, and the 3rd option could fit us, as matt said08:59
ttxno, would be done as EmilienM explained in his recent emails, through forumtopics.openstack.org08:59
bauzasmy bad, for me cheddar == forumtopics.o.o08:59
ttxit's actually running openstack-infra/odsreg rather than cheddar :)08:59
ttxbut yes, that's the idea09:00
bauzasokay09:00
ttxI'll try to do a new summary email sometimes this week since information was spread out on a number of emails09:00
ttxhopefully people will read that one09:01
bauzasI did09:01
bauzasbut by that time, it was unclear about where the project-specific proposals would fit09:01
ttxa lot of people didn't apparently09:01
bauzasit's a new exercice09:01
bauzasanyway09:02
bauzasttx: once you have more clear opinion about how the meetup space would be organised, just send that email09:02
bauzasI guess nova would be interested in getting some of that09:02
ttxbauzas: I think it's good to brainstorm on the etherpad and come up with a list of things that would be good as forum sessions, and a number of things you want to discuss ad-hoc with team members during that week09:02
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ttxbauzas: will do!09:03
bauzasttx: sure thing, matt is already tracking that, but we could make it clearer on our side too then09:03
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bauzasttx: FWIW, just added second section in the nova etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Nova-brainstorming that would address the topics we want to cover meetup-style09:06
bauzasttx: thanks!09:06
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ttxcheers!09:07
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openstackgerritGao Yuan proposed openstack/nova master: Remove mox from nova/tests/unit/cells/test_cells_rpc_driver.py  https://review.openstack.org/44845709:11
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gmannalex_xu: nice but few comment please check - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338051/1309:19
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gmann min_version not shown on generated doc09:20
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openstackgerritZhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova master: Add description to policies in keypairs.py  https://review.openstack.org/44846109:20
alex_xugmann: thanks, let me check09:20
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openstackgerritAlex Xu proposed openstack/nova master: api-ref: Complete all the verifications of remote consoles  https://review.openstack.org/33805109:26
openstackgerritGao Yuan proposed openstack/nova master: Remove mox from nova/tests/unit/cells/test_cells_rpc_driver.py  https://review.openstack.org/44845709:27
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openstackgerritZhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova master: Add description to policies in lock_server.py  https://review.openstack.org/44846809:35
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openstackgerritGábor Antal proposed openstack/nova master: Transform instance.volume_attach notification  https://review.openstack.org/40199209:38
openstackgerritAlex Xu proposed openstack/nova master: placement: Enable attach traits to ResourceProvider  https://review.openstack.org/37620109:42
openstackgerritAlex Xu proposed openstack/nova master: placement: Add Trait and TraitList objects  https://review.openstack.org/37619909:42
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lyarwoodmdbooth / johnthetubaguy ; morning, time to pester you both for reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439520/ - FYI I'm out for a week after today.09:47
johnthetubaguylyarwood: dang, I remember you mentioning that now09:47
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johnthetubaguyclearly I am jealous and blanked that.09:47
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lyarwoodjohnthetubaguy: haha, I'm going to be out for at least one day each week for the next 7 weeks btw. I'm sure I'll be the jealous one soon enough once I have no holiday left to take in the summer :|09:52
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johnthetubaguylyarwood: ouch, yeah, thats rough.09:53
* cdent waves09:55
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lyarwoodjgriffith: re https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438750/ - did you want to open this back up? AFAIK the plan was to use this change to introduce the new detach logic on top of I7a53e08f3fad6abb27a1d8ad425b4f916341cab3 & Ieb43099a31689e1b509cbffb9aeb7cc9948f1a18 right?09:57
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gmannalex_xu: sorry i gave again -110:01
gmannalex_xu: 1 sec10:01
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gmannalex_xu: if on last then we need it separate heading as currently it is under volume APIs.10:04
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alex_xugmann: thanks10:07
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alex_xugmann: is it ok move under crash-dump?10:07
openstackgerritAlex Xu proposed openstack/nova master: api-ref: Complete all the verifications of remote consoles  https://review.openstack.org/33805110:09
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gmannalex_xu: yea, may be ok10:15
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openstackgerritGao Yuan proposed openstack/nova master: Remove mox from nova/tests/unit/cells/test_cells_rpc_driver.py  https://review.openstack.org/44845710:33
Jack_IvHey Folks! What postgresql version is compatible with Trove?10:35
Jack_Iv9.5 does not work due to wrong options in the config template10:36
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Jack_IvLOG:  unrecognized configuration parameter "checkpoint_segments" in file "/etc/postgresql/9.5/main/postgresql.conf" line 710:37
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sdaguealex_xu: I've got daddy daycare duties this morning, so I won't be around for the api meeting11:16
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alex_xusdague: got it, enjoy the daddy daycare duties :)11:52
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VAhlWhen creating a network. The documentation names "physical_network". Where can I find the name of the "physical network"?   neutron net-create --shared --provider:physical_network provider --provider:network_type flat provider.12:01
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openstackgerritStephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: netutils: Ignore 'use_ipv6' for network templates  https://review.openstack.org/43091012:07
openstackgerritStephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: conf: Deprecate 'use_ipv6'  https://review.openstack.org/43091112:07
openstackgerritStephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: conf: Deprecate 'allow_same_net_traffic'  https://review.openstack.org/43091312:07
openstackgerritStephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: conf: Final cleanups in conf/network  https://review.openstack.org/43102312:07
openstackgerritStephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: Ignore 'allow_same_net_traffic' for port filters  https://review.openstack.org/43091212:07
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sfinucandansmith: thanks for the reviews. Fixed up that errant whitespace in the base patch above12:09
sfinucanLooks like the tempest failure was a CI bug. I couldn't reproduce locally12:09
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sfinucansdague: Also put in the full commit ref in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430912/, if you fancy taking a second look at it, please :)12:10
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openstackgerritAlex Xu proposed openstack/nova master: [placement] Allow PUT and POST without bodies  https://review.openstack.org/44762512:39
openstackgerritAlex Xu proposed openstack/nova master: placement: Enable attach traits to ResourceProvider  https://review.openstack.org/37620112:39
openstackgerritAlex Xu proposed openstack/nova master: placement: Add Traits API to placement service  https://review.openstack.org/37620012:39
openstackgerritAlex Xu proposed openstack/nova master: placement: Add Trait and TraitList objects  https://review.openstack.org/37619912:39
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cdentalex_xu++ on making the dependency12:44
alex_xucdent: \o/12:44
alex_xunova api meeting is in 15 mins at #openstack-meeting-412:45
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openstackgerritTakashi NATSUME proposed openstack/python-novaclient master: Microversion 2.42 - Fix tag attribute disappearing  https://review.openstack.org/42951212:47
openstackgerritTakashi NATSUME proposed openstack/python-novaclient master: Microversion 2.43 - Enable cold migration with target host  https://review.openstack.org/40670712:47
openstackgerritTakashi NATSUME proposed openstack/python-novaclient master: Microversion 2.43: List/Show all server migration types  https://review.openstack.org/43083912:48
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openstackgerritTakashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: api-ref: Fix parameters in os-hosts.inc  https://review.openstack.org/41644412:52
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openstackgerritTakashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: Avoid forcing translation on logging calls  https://review.openstack.org/41387612:54
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jgriffithlyarwood yep, thanks!  I'll get that refactored with your patches now and back up12:59
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sfinucanmriedem, johnthetubaguy: Could you take a look at [1] again? Think I've all your feedback addressed [1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364468/13:06
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mriedemsfinucan: yeah, and jaypipes13:09
mriedemafter api meeting13:09
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sfinucan(y)13:09
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lyarwoodjgriffith: cool thanks13:19
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mriedemdansmith: looks like in the services/hypervisors uuids spec, i missed the os-hosts api https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447149/ which is basically the same as the os-services api, except some other actions can be performed like stop/start/reboot of a host13:23
mriedembut i'm guessing when you made os-services tolerate multiple cells, we got os-hosts support for free13:23
mriedemsince they work on the same resource13:23
jaypipesmriedem: unfortunately.13:24
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mriedemjaypipes: right :)13:25
mriedemmakes me want to merge the APIs13:25
jaypipesmriedem: err, no13:26
mriedemerr no?13:26
jaypipesmriedem: compute node != the RPC service worker.13:26
mriedemthis isn't that13:26
mriedemos-hypervisors == compute nodes13:26
jaypipesone is a communication target, the other is a resource.13:26
mriedemos-hosts == services13:26
mriedemos-services == services13:26
jaypipesoh...13:26
mriedemi'm talking about the resource representation in those APIs13:26
jaypipesshit, sorry Matt.13:26
mriedemos-hosts and os-services are both services resources13:26
jaypipeshmm.13:26
mriedemboth can list and show details, and enable/disable13:26
mriedembut one has some more actions and the other has some other actions13:26
mriedembut separate dumb APIs13:27
jaypipesinteresting. lemme finish review on sfinucan's PCI NUMA reserve bp and then will look at it.13:27
dansmithmriedem: yeah, I dunno how we ended up with those13:27
mriedemextensions?13:27
mriedemi blame extensions13:28
jaypipesmb13:28
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dansmithsfinucan: hmm, it didn't look like a random failure, but okay13:35
sfinucanAll I know is it worked on my machine 🙃13:36
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openstackgerritVladik Romanovsky proposed openstack/nova master: neutron: retrieve physical network name from a multi-provider network  https://review.openstack.org/43002613:39
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dansmithsfinucan: this one seems like it might should have a reno about removing the thing, especially since it's firewall/security related no? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430912/813:39
sfinucandansmith: Actually, yeah - I promised that at the PTG. I'll whip one up now13:40
dansmiththanks13:40
sfinucanfwiw, I posted a question on "who uses this" to the operators-list and got zilch back13:40
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Remove aggregate uuid generation on load from DB  https://review.openstack.org/44857913:46
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bauzasmriedem: had a discussion with ttx this FR morning13:46
bauzasmriedem: about the Forum13:46
bauzasmriedem: not sure you saw that13:47
dansmithsfinucan: cool13:47
bauzastl,dr: I just added a new section for our nova etherpad13:47
bauzasmriedem: about things we could be discussing ad-hoc13:47
sfinucanor not - looks like it got dropped :/ I'll add the reno then put that in -W for a week or so13:48
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openstackgerritDanfly proposed openstack/nova master: remove mox from unit/api/openstack/compute/test_flavor_manage.py  https://review.openstack.org/44858113:48
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bauzasdansmith: jroll: added a new comment for explaining why I think we could have a possible problem for rolling-upgrade with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446570/213:50
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dansmithI'm reading now13:51
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jaypipessfinucan, mriedem: k, reviewed.13:52
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sfinucanjaypipes: Excellent. I'll take a look shortly13:53
sfinucanCheers :)13:53
openstackgerritSujitha proposed openstack/nova master: Add description to policies in cells_scheduler.py  https://review.openstack.org/44826013:54
jrollbauzas: replied13:55
bauzasjroll: I thought we were asking operators to modify their flavors *before* upgrading to Pike13:56
bauzasat least that's what we discussed at the PTG IIRC13:56
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jrollbauzas: right, and now we've found the catch and cannot do that13:57
openstackgerritdane-fichter proposed openstack/nova master: Use cursive for signature verification  https://review.openstack.org/35123213:57
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jrollbauzas: we were hoping to drop cpu/memory/disk from the ironic resource in pike, it'll need to happen in queens now13:58
bauzasjroll: okay, then I think we could be adding that into the spec by the operator impact section13:58
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jrollbauzas: sure, I could add "after fully deploying pike" there if it makes you happy14:00
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bauzasjroll: waiting for dansmith's opinion :)14:01
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dansmithbauzas: my opinion has already been expressed as a +214:02
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dane-fichtermriedem: new patch shows how cursive integration would work with the next cursive release https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351232/1214:02
mriedemok14:03
dane-fichtermriedem: basically just making the key types a public member and accessing it directly in fields.py14:03
openstackgerritStephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: conf: Deprecate 'allow_same_net_traffic'  https://review.openstack.org/43091314:03
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openstackgerritStephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: conf: Final cleanups in conf/network  https://review.openstack.org/43102314:03
openstackgerritStephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: Ignore 'allow_same_net_traffic' for port filters  https://review.openstack.org/43091214:03
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mriedemjohnthetubaguy: looking at https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/#hosts-os-hosts it links to the hypervisor support matrix which doesn't mention anything about host power actions for stop/start/reboot :) it does mention the host maintenance mode thing though https://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/support-matrix.html#operation_maintenance_mode and that it's only implemented for xen14:04
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johnthetubaguymriedem: yeah, it doesn't do anything but change an icon in the management console14:04
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: i thought it auto-evacuated all guests from that xen host?14:04
mriedemor something crazy like that14:05
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mriedemwhich i'd think would mess up resource tracking14:05
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mriedemlike, i thought that was one of the primary reasons we said no to the hyperv cluster driver14:05
openstackgerritAndrey Volkov proposed openstack/nova-specs master: User-controlled SR-IOV ports allocation  https://review.openstack.org/18224214:05
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johnthetubaguymriedem: no, thats just want people think it does14:05
mriedembecause it would auto load balance in the background cluster and we wouldn't know about the resource tracking changes, except the virt driver would hook back into the resource tracker and fiddle things for us, which we didn't want14:05
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: ok so it literally is only implemented by one virt driver, and does nothing :)14:06
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johnthetubaguymriedem: yeah, that14:06
mriedemthat's aweoms14:06
mriedem*awesome14:06
johnthetubaguyagreed14:06
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mriedemi guess the description on https://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/support-matrix.html#operation_maintenance_mode is a lie then14:06
dansmithmriedem: yeah it's always been xen-only14:08
dansmithand very specific to how its own maintenance mode works, IIRC14:08
dansmithwhich is why we didn't use it for force-down14:08
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johnthetubaguymriedem: yeah, I think it might stop new instances being built, but thats it14:09
johnthetubaguyI think its time to kill os-hosts14:09
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johnthetubaguyin the deprecate sense of kill14:09
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: yeah, i'll send something to the ML to see if anyone is actually using it14:10
johnthetubaguysounds good14:10
mriedemi think i might draft a spec to go before this other one,14:10
johnthetubaguyah, yeah, that makes sense14:10
mriedemso we could deprecate os-hosts first, and then to the uuid things on os-services and os-hypervisors14:10
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mriedemjaypipes: were you going to submit a forum topic session for placement on http://forumtopics.openstack.org/ or should i just do that?14:16
mriedembauzas: i did not see a discussion between you and ttx about the forum, no14:17
bauzasdansmith: even after reviewing my comment ?14:18
bauzasoh wait, you got commented too14:18
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openstackgerritAndrey Volkov proposed openstack/nova-specs master: User-controlled SR-IOV ports allocation  https://review.openstack.org/18224214:18
bauzasmriedem: basically got more explanations14:19
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jaypipesmriedem: I had put a couple ideas into the NFV/Telcom forum area: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-UC-brainstorming-Telecom&NFV14:21
bauzasdansmith: okay, it's clear now that updating API flavors should be done after all nodes are Pike and before Queens14:21
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mriedemjaypipes: in case you haven't heard, the brainstorming etherpads are so last week14:21
bauzasdansmith: and the nova-status check pre-flight test could warn them if not14:21
mriedemjaypipes: this week the new hotness is submitting a session idea to forumtopics.o.o14:21
mriedemjaypipes: and those get voted on by the TC/UC/Foundation14:22
mriedemif you want i can just submit something generic for placement,14:23
jaypipesmriedem: go for it.14:23
mriedemthat will be mostly geared toward ops and devs14:23
mriedemok14:23
mriedemi'll just take dansmith's cells abstract and s/cells/placement/ :)14:23
dansmithheh14:24
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ttxmriedem: FYI http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-nova/%23openstack-nova.2017-03-22.log.html#t2017-03-22T08:26:0414:26
ttxmriedem: but then I also answered on the ML thread14:26
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mriedemyup i'm reading the ML now14:27
dansmithmriedem: I just hit your uuid spec, btw14:27
mriedemok14:27
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jrollbauzas: thanks for the spec merge :)14:37
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stvnoyesgood morning. I am having a lot of trouble in my devstack env after updating to latest. The error is "Failed to retrieve resource provider record from placement API". It seems to have started with this change: "virt: add get_inventory() virt driver API method".  The [placement] info in nova.conf looks ok. any ideas? Thanks.14:40
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sfinucanjaypipes: I've what looks like a frickin' essay left in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364468/ :D14:44
jaypipessfinucan: I shall respond, then, in haiku form.14:46
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cdentjaypipes will respond, in the form of a haiku, we all wait breath held14:48
jaypipescdent: :)14:48
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mriedembauzas: you've got some unit test failures in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391060/14:50
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mriedemstvnoyes: are you using ironic?14:50
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bauzasmriedem: yeah, need to address those14:51
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bauzasin a meeting atm14:51
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mriedembauzas: ok, after your meeting, can you update the whiteboard on plans for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/request-spec-use-by-compute14:52
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bauzasroger.14:52
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jaypipessfinucan: done.14:53
openstackgerritMikhail Feoktistov proposed openstack/nova master: Remove fstype param from ploop init  https://review.openstack.org/44497014:53
jaypipessfinucan: I'm sure cdent will appreciate my review comment.14:54
sfinucanjaypipes: Ha!14:54
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cdentnice14:54
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cdentjaypipes did respond, it was indeed an haiku, much celebration14:55
cdenta not an, but close enough14:55
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stvnoyes@mriedem: no, no ironic14:56
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sfinucanjaypipes: Out of curiosity, where do weighers fit into resource providers?14:57
sfinucanI'm assuming they'll be the same, only querying resources rather than nova-compute hosts directly?14:57
sfinucan...or something like that14:58
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dansmithsfinucan: I see filters as always being a nova only thing (or project only)14:59
dansmithsfinucan: like, placement can replace a bunch of the filters, but not all14:59
mriedemstvnoyes: then that patch would not impact you14:59
mriedemstvnoyes: the only virt driver that implements that get_inventory method right now is the ironic virt driver14:59
dansmithplacement may be able to order things a bit, I guess, but the nova will always need some filters and weighers for very nova-specific things15:00
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sfinucanMakes sense. I fail to see how affinity groups would fit into the placement model15:01
stvnoyesmriedem: hmm, ok thx. i will dig into it some more.  It's got to be something in my env as no one else is seeing this.15:01
jaypipessfinucan: they don't currenlty.15:02
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jaypipessfinucan: we return just the filtered set of providers to the scheduler and the scheduler pulls a giant ComputeNode.get_all_by_uuids() query and uses that information passed in to the weighers.15:03
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jaypipesand yeah, what dansmith said :)15:03
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sdaguejaypipes: so how does that impact cross service placement if all the rules aren't in placement?15:13
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fricklermriedem: it seems you missed to update releasenotes/notes/libvirt-script-with-empty-path*yaml with https://review.openstack.org/448203, will you do a follow-up?15:13
openstackgerritSujitha proposed openstack/nova master: Add description to policies in cloudpipe.py  https://review.openstack.org/44827115:13
jaypipessdague: sorry, not following you. can you elaborate with an example?15:13
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sdaguewe are in a future where cinder is using placement. And there is a desire for locality between volumes and instances.15:14
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jaypipessdague: if a nova instance is booted with a volume UUID, we would look up the traits and aggregates associated with the provider of that volume and winnow the set of compute node providers based on that list of traits and aggregates.15:16
mriedemfrickler: i guess i hadn't planned on updating that release note since it's already released15:17
mriedemfrickler: if we mention anything, it would be in a new release note15:17
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openstackgerritSujitha proposed openstack/nova master: Add description to policies in certificates.py  https://review.openstack.org/44826715:18
mriedemjaypipes: sdague: this also came up in the dev ML http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/112903.html15:19
mriedemfor that exact use case15:19
mriedemjaypipes: if you have thoughts or details on how to solves that, please reply to that thread15:19
openstackgerritSujitha proposed openstack/nova master: Add description to policies in admin_actions.  https://review.openstack.org/44082915:19
jaypipesmriedem: ok15:19
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fricklermriedem: I think the release notes are confusing anyway. 14.0.4 lists the known issue, 14.0.5 doesn't list it anymore, so one could assume it being resolved there already15:21
snetijohnthetubaguy, Can you please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396420/. I have just resolved merge conflict.15:21
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: on the host power action (shutdown/reboot) API, is the nova-compute service running on a separate host managing the backend hypervisor cluster15:23
mriedem?15:23
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: because otherwise the sync_instance_power_states periodic wouldn't be running if the nova-compute service is dead (because you stopped the host), and we wouldn't update the instance states to show them as shutdown15:23
johnthetubaguymriedem: not usually, its generally in a VM on that host15:24
johnthetubaguymriedem: yes, the power status stuff is all broken I suspect15:24
mriedemok, so if you run that api to stop your host, you effecitvely kill nova-compute managing the guests on that host :)15:24
mriedemreboot would/should eventually come back, the service might be disabled for a time via the servicegroup health check,15:25
johnthetubaguyyep15:25
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mriedembut otherwise the instances are never 'stopped' in the nova db status sense15:25
johnthetubaguyI am fairly sure we only added that because the API was there15:25
mriedemha15:25
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johnthetubaguythe start is even crazier, thats just not possible15:25
mriedemyeah i found that literally no backend supports host startup15:25
johnthetubaguyah, that makes sense15:25
mriedemso we have an API that is just not supported, at all15:25
mriedemthere might be out of tree drivers, but...15:25
johnthetubaguyyeah, I guess it must have been the old baremetal thing or something15:26
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mriedemok i can check that old bm driver15:27
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mriedemfrickler: btw i'll never remember your irc nick for who you are :)15:28
mriedemif only you were just jens or something15:28
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fricklermriedem: that is too common here in germany. and I'll change my lastname in summer. I may consider a nick change, then ;)15:32
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nkorabliHi there! I've got a little question about multitenancy in nova:15:36
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: even the old bm driver didn't support this stuff https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/juno-eol/nova/virt/baremetal/driver.py15:36
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nkorablilogin as demo user and create an instance .15:37
nkorablilogin as a admin user navigate to admin panel and shelve the instance (as admin user is able shelve any instance)15:37
nkorablilogin as demo user and try to unshelve the instance shelved by admin user15:37
nkorabliexpected : instance should be unshelved15:37
johnthetubaguymriedem: that is a mystery then :S15:37
nkorabliActual : instance is not shelved but is went to error state.15:37
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nkorabliI am sorry, for interrupting, though. But I just was wondering if that (what I've posted above) is expected or not?15:38
openstackgerritHironori Shiina proposed openstack/nova master: Ironic: Support boot from Cinder volume  https://review.openstack.org/21538515:38
mriedemnkorabli: check your policy, can non-admins users unshelve in your deployment?15:39
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cfriesenmriedem: even if they couldn't, presumably it should just return an error message rather than put the instance into error state15:39
mriedemcfriesen: true15:40
mriedempolicy fail would be a 40315:40
openstackgerritSujitha proposed openstack/nova master: Add description to policies in baremetal_nodes.py  https://review.openstack.org/44865015:40
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mriedemdefault policy for shelve is admin or owner15:40
mriedemso the demo user that created the instance should be able to unshelve it15:40
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mriedemthe error is probably due to the instance actually failing to unshelve, i.e. spawn on a host15:40
mriedemwhich is not a policy issue, just an issue15:41
mriedemnkorabli: so check the conductor, scheduler and nova-compute logs for failures15:41
nkorablioh, alright...15:41
mriedemfor the unshelve15:41
mriedemit should be pretty obvious if the instance is in ERROR state15:41
nkorabliGot it! Let me check that..15:42
nkorabliThanks a lot!15:42
mriedemalex_xu: did you want me to specifically call out that the search-related GET methods for os-hypervisors will not be changed in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447149/1/specs/pike/approved/service-hyper-uuid-in-api.rst@117 ?15:44
mriedemsdague: johnthetubaguy: dansmith: thoughts on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447149/1/specs/pike/approved/service-hyper-uuid-in-api.rst@128 and if we change the value of the id key to be a uuid value, or add a uuid key to the response, or completely drop id and just return a uuid key?15:45
mriedemserver.id response is a uuid, but aggregates response has both id (int) and uuid15:45
dansmithmriedem: I'm fine eitther way15:46
mriedemok15:46
dansmithtend to thing re-using id is easier15:46
openstackgerritGábor Antal proposed openstack/nova master: Ensure instance is in active state after notification test  https://review.openstack.org/44865515:46
dansmith*think15:46
mriedemdansmith: that's what i was originally planning too15:46
mriedemshit, now that i mention aggregates https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/?expanded=show-aggregate-details-detail#host-aggregates-os-aggregates15:47
mriedem/os-aggregates/{aggregate_id}15:47
mriedemis the primary key int15:47
mriedemdansmith: have you gotten to aggregates in your multi-cell api series yet?15:47
dansmithmriedem: aggs are in api db15:47
dansmithmriedem: so just ugly, but not a problem15:47
mriedemoh15:47
mriedemok15:47
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mriedemi should have known that15:47
sdaguemriedem: changing the id field is probably fine, documentation will be a little odd on that, but should be fine.15:48
mriedemyeah15:48
mriedemok15:48
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openstackgerritGábor Antal proposed openstack/nova master: Transform instance.volume_attach notification  https://review.openstack.org/40199215:53
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mriedemsdague: dansmith: and we're good with changing "PUT /os-services/disable" to "PUT /os-services/{service_id}disable" ?15:53
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mriedemfor the 4 service action APIs15:53
mriedemand removing the host/binary body as identifiers15:54
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mriedemhttps://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/?expanded=show-aggregate-details-detail,disable-scheduling-for-a-compute-service-detail#disable-scheduling-for-a-compute-service15:54
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mriedemor just tell me to shut up and stop asking15:54
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sdaguethe whole empty PUT thing seems weird to me, as it's not a thing you would GET15:56
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mriedemwhat do we change it to?15:58
mriedemPOST?15:58
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mriedemPOST is what we use for the server action APIs15:58
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sdagueyes15:59
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cdentPOST is probably right for empty actions, but only because actions are outright weird in the first place16:01
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cdentwe've started exploring empty PUTs in the placement API, but they do involve things which can be GET16:01
cdent(and are still empty when gotten)16:01
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sdaguecdent: that whole thing seem super weird to me as well, as it seems really odd to have resources with no content16:02
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cdentsdague: there's tons of those things across the placement api though: empty strings that mean stuff only by their existence16:03
cdentcustomer resource classes and traits16:03
cdents/empty/simple/16:03
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mriedemsdague: cdent: so to be clear, we can remove the body for this https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/?expanded=disable-scheduling-for-a-compute-service-detail#disable-scheduling-for-a-compute-service16:04
mriedemwhich then makes it a POST16:04
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mriedembut we'd still have a body for https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/?expanded=log-disabled-compute-service-information-detail#log-disabled-compute-service-information16:04
mriedemso does that become POST or remain PUT?16:04
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mriedemalso, does the response affect which method it is in any way?16:05
sdaguemriedem: is that changing urls as well?16:05
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mriedemsince these all return a response body16:05
mriedemsdague: yes16:05
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sdaguemriedem: honestly, I think from the principle of least surprise16:05
sdagueif you are going to GET the same url as the modification, PUT is fine16:05
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sdagueif it's a different URL, POST is better16:05
mriedemall 4 PUTs here would change the URL https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/#compute-services-os-services16:05
sdaguemriedem: which will have GET urls still?16:06
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mriedemthe only GET we have is to list services16:06
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sdagueyeh, so I'd make them POST16:06
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sdagueif the urls are changing anyway16:06
mriedemlet me make sure we don't have GET /os-services/{service_id}16:07
mriedemyeah we don't16:07
mriedemok so change all 4 PUTs to POSTs and modify the URL to include the {service_id}16:07
mriedemand drop host/binary from the POST body16:07
mriedemsince those are replaced by the service_id16:07
mriedemi'll make those changes to the spec16:08
mriedemthanks y'all16:08
cdentI was under the impression we didn't want to make that breadth of change, but since we are willing, that sounds like the right way to go16:08
* cdent still thinks actions URLs are bad, but that's a long way off16:09
sdagueactually, I'm going to raise a bigger question16:09
sdaguewhy isn't this just a PUT/PATCH of /os-services/{service_id}16:09
sdagueevery one of these urls is really an attribute in the response16:10
mriedemwith a body with the action to perform?16:10
mriedemor PUT with 'status' in the req body?16:10
cdentthat's what I think is the long term right way, but I thought we didn't want that because people did want the attribute free way of doing stuff16:10
sdaguehttp://paste.openstack.org/show/603789/16:10
sdaguemriedem: yeh, just like how we can update the description in a server16:11
mriedemwe could do that too16:12
cdentthe debate surrounding that kind of thing in the past has been that PUT is supposed to be a full representation, and PATCH is supposed to be a diff, not a partial representation. <- just reporting, not presenting that as my position16:12
cdentand some people think a full rep PUT to change one thing is wasteful16:13
sdaguewhich would also let you do things like set {"status": "disabled", "disabled_reason": "...."}16:13
mriedemall of these actions are actualy served by the update method in the controller anyway16:13
cdentbecause there are only so many bytes in the universe16:13
mriedemwith the id being the action16:13
sdagueso, we already do PUT with partials, and I think that's fine16:13
sdagueI honestly am anti PATCH, because I think it is really for something more like what swift uses it for16:14
sdaguenot for this stuff16:14
openstackgerritSujitha proposed openstack/nova master: Add description to policies in console_auth_tokens.py  https://review.openstack.org/44866316:14
mriedemhttps://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/services.py#L212 is what handles all of those PUTs16:14
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mriedemthe id is the action16:14
sdaguemriedem: well, it would be PUT /os-services/{service_id} ... stuff you want to change16:14
mriedemsdague: right16:14
mriedemso we'd have another microversioned update method,16:14
sdaguejust like severs today16:14
mriedemwhere id becomes the service uuid16:14
mriedemand the body contains the things you want to change16:15
mriedemlike status or forced-down16:15
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sdagueyeh16:15
sdagueespecially because those things are reflected in the representation when you get it16:16
mriedemi'd kind of like to split that into a separate spec/microversion, but doing that gets weird when we also want to change the url16:16
sdagueyeh, I think it should all change at once, otherwise it's just painful for users16:16
mriedemso probably can't split16:16
mriedemright16:16
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mriedemsince we don't test any of this in tempest, i worry16:17
mriedembut anyway16:17
* cdent mumbles something about gabbi making these kinds of tests pretty easy16:17
cdentsomeday16:17
mriedemit's just a lot of cases for the single PUT to handle, but we'll see16:18
mriedemplus there is already another microversion in this flow already, 2.1116:18
mriedemfor forced-down16:18
openstackgerritSujitha proposed openstack/nova master: Add description to policies in cloudpipe.py  https://review.openstack.org/44827116:18
sdaguewe don't test this stuff in tempest because it would break the world16:18
mriedemsdague: i know16:18
mriedemi know why, i'm just saying16:18
mriedemyou know16:18
sdagueyou can't start randomly turning off the compute service in the middle of tests16:18
sdagueit's all testable on the functional side16:19
mriedemyes i know16:19
mriedemcan't you just let me worry16:19
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openstackgerritSujitha proposed openstack/nova master: Add description to policies in certificates.py  https://review.openstack.org/44826716:22
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mriedemreplied in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447149/1/specs/pike/approved/service-hyper-uuid-in-api.rst@148 and left examples of what the single PUT would look like16:24
mriedemi can detail how a single PUT replaces the existing 4 PUT actions16:24
openstackgerritGábor Antal proposed openstack/nova master: Add json style checking for sample notifications  https://review.openstack.org/44367716:25
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cfriesenmaybe an odd question....when we download a qcow2-formatted image we convert it to raw before storing it under "_base".  Is there a way to leave it as-is?  I'm pretty sure qemu understands using qcow2 images as backing files.16:30
cfriesenOr does that cause a performance hit at runtime?16:30
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johnthetubaguycfriesen: I think there is a spec about that, looking at similar things with ploop16:53
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openstackgerritSujitha proposed openstack/nova master: Add description to policies in deferred_delete.py  https://review.openstack.org/44868116:56
openstackgerritSujitha proposed openstack/nova master: Add description to policies in create_backup.py  https://review.openstack.org/44868216:56
openstackgerritSujitha proposed openstack/nova master: Add description to policies in consoles.py  https://review.openstack.org/44868316:57
openstackgerritSujitha proposed openstack/nova master: Add description to policies in console_output.py  https://review.openstack.org/44868416:57
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openstackgerritThomas Stewart proposed openstack/nova master: Add lan9118 as valid nic for hw_vif_model property for qemu  https://review.openstack.org/39348917:06
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Use uuids in services and os-hypervisors APIs (spec)  https://review.openstack.org/44714917:37
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: sdague: cdent: dansmith: alex_xu: ^ has the updates we talked about earlire17:37
mriedem*earlier17:37
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Reserve NUMA nodes with PCI devices attached  https://review.openstack.org/36446818:07
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mriedemjohnthetubaguy: you can drop the -2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/379524/ now, the bp is approved18:08
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mriedemdansmith: i've got a pickle, i'm removing the aggregate.uuid migrate on load in the object https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448579/18:21
mriedemthat's failing because there is a test for the online data migration which uses the object,18:21
mriedemand because i've removed that code, the online data migration blows up since it can't use the object anymore18:22
dansmith...right18:22
dansmithwe can remove the migration now18:22
mriedemi can't remove the online data migration thing from nova-manage can i?18:22
mriedemoh18:22
mriedemso i guess if you jump from what, mitaka to pike, well, sorry18:22
mriedemderp18:22
dansmith...for this and many other reasons18:22
mriedemok i retract the pickle18:23
dansmithyou .. retract... the pickle ....18:23
* dansmith leaves it alone18:23
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* cdent needs an adult18:31
johnthetubaguymriedem: ack18:31
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johnthetubaguymdbooth: I should catch up with your -1 on this patch, I don't understand it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437597/1118:33
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oomichimriedem: about http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114487.html20:29
oomichimriedem: I am not sure the difference happens between os-hosts and os-services if a single ironic *compute* service manages multiple nodes20:30
oomichimriedem: I don't have such envs TBH, but it is just a concern20:30
openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Remove aggregate uuid generation on load from DB  https://review.openstack.org/44857920:31
oomichiCan't we see multipe ironic nodes on os-hosts and single ironic compute service on os-services?20:32
mriedemoomichi: looking at the index() methods in both os-services and os-hosts, they both use HostAPI.service_get_all20:33
mriedemand both filter out API services from the response20:33
openstackgerritSujitha proposed openstack/nova master: [WIP] Add BDM to InstancePayload  https://review.openstack.org/44877920:33
mriedemoomichi: the nodes are actually shown in the os-hypervisors API20:34
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oomichimriedem: oh, nice investigation. that should be the same.20:35
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mriedemas far as i can tell on listing,20:35
mriedemthe only difference is that in os-hosts you can filter by zone20:36
mriedembut in os-services you can only filter by host or binary20:36
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mriedemso if we deprecate os-hosts, we need to allow filtering services by zone in os-services too20:36
oomichithat is a nice direction. +1 on deprecation and adding zone filter to os-services20:37
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bauzasmriedem: FWIW, AZs are for services, not nodes...20:38
bauzasie. n-cpu20:38
mriedembauzas: i know20:39
bauzasso for example, 2 nodes for the same n-cpu service are always on the same zone20:39
bauzasokay, good to me then, agreed w/ your direction then20:39
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sneckliftermriedem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393489/ <-better?20:41
mriedemsnecklifter: yes, +2, thanks20:42
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sneckliftermriedem: great, thanks for reviewing, much appreciated20:42
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mriedemdansmith: cells meeting in 14 minutes?20:46
dansmithyeah20:46
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Fix the bullet list in user-id-based-policy-enforcement  https://review.openstack.org/44878820:58
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openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: [placement] Idempotent PUT /resource_classes/{name}  https://review.openstack.org/44879121:22
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openstackgerritPeter Hamilton proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add support for certificate validation  https://review.openstack.org/35715121:24
cdentmriedem: you want a real spec on ^^?21:24
mriedemspec on or spec off?21:24
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cdentthis is not wax21:29
cdentmriedem: I also found an ossum bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/167514321:30
openstackLaunchpad bug 1675143 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "placement microversion comparisons are sometimes floats" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Chris Dent (cdent)21:30
cdentthat's ^ in the server21:30
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cdentwill attend to it tomorrow or thereabouts21:31
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mriedemk21:33
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mriedemdansmith: bauzas: you guys are probably going to have to go through this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433037/ - it's clear it's way over my head21:47
mriedemsdague: you too ^21:47
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mriedemeither i'm way overthinking it, or there is just some fundamental piece of the policy pie that I'm not grasping21:48
sdaguemriedem: starred, will look tomorrow21:48
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bauzasmriedem: /me looking to the spec21:55
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bauzasah that21:55
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openstackgerritSujitha proposed openstack/nova master: [WIP] Add BDM to InstancePayload  https://review.openstack.org/44877922:09
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openstackgerritEric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: PowerVM Driver: SSP emphemeral disk support  https://review.openstack.org/44318922:28
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openstackgerritEric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: PowerVM Driver: console  https://review.openstack.org/40940222:43
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openstackgerritTakashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Specify keymap on server boot  https://review.openstack.org/44883023:50
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openstackgerritDan Peschman proposed openstack/nova master: Option to always create network metadata information as static  https://review.openstack.org/33629323:53
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