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efried#startmeeting nova14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 19 14:00:16 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is efried. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)"14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:00
dansmitho/14:00
gibi\o14:00
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mriedemo/14:00
takashino/14:00
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bauzas\o14:01
* mordred throws a smoke bomb into the nova room and runs away giggling14:02
mriedemtwice in one week14:02
efried#link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting14:02
efried#topic Last meeting14:03
efried#link Minutes from last meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-09-12-21.01.html14:03
efriedActions from last week:14:03
efried#link train blueprints scrubbed https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/train14:03
efried#link cycle highlights merged https://review.opendev.org/#/c/681943/14:03
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efried#link and updated https://review.opendev.org/#/c/682509/14:03
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efried#topic Release News14:03
efried#link 1 week until RC1: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Train_Release_Schedule14:03
efriedWaiting for two blueprints to merge:14:03
efried#link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:bp/virtual-persistent-memory+status:open (3 open changes)14:03
efried#link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:bp/cpu-resources+status:open (16 open changes)14:03
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efriedreallyl 1 and 10, respectively. The remainder are cleanups etc.14:04
dansmithso,14:04
dansmithwe really have to merge the reshaper for pcpu or we're toast14:04
dansmithis that where you're counting the end of the ten?14:04
efriedyes14:04
dansmiththat really should have been earlier in the series I think :/14:05
efriedNot sure it would have worked if it was.14:05
dansmithof course.. it just gets tested end to end later once we can generate the inventory14:06
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mriedemi never looked back on it, but did the reshaper for pcpu account for in-progress (not yet confirmed) migrations?14:06
stephenfinmriedem: yup14:06
efrieddo you feel strongly enough about this that you think we should try to reorder the series at this stage?14:06
efrieddansmith: than was for you ^14:07
dansmithefried: we're jamming so much in way past the deadline that I don't think much matters anymore14:07
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dansmithto be totally honest.14:07
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efriedhere's this too14:09
efried#link train to-do https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-train-release-todo14:09
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mriedemfrom ^,14:09
mriedemwe're down to 2 blocking bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=train-rc-potential14:09
mriedemi'm +2 on both,14:09
mriedem1 has a conflict with the pcpu series14:09
dansmithI'm super curious about the migration skip thing14:09
mriedemlet's get to that in gate status14:09
mriedemcoming up14:09
dansmithwell, it's on the todo, but sure14:10
mriedemthe revert is yeah14:10
efriedmoving on?14:10
efriedor did you want to go deeper into those bugs?14:11
mriedemkeep going14:11
efried#topic Bugs (stuck/critical)14:11
efriedNo Critical bugs14:11
efried#link 75 new untriaged bugs (-1 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New14:11
efried#link 4 untagged untriaged bugs (+1 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW14:11
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efriedbug words?14:12
mriedemno14:12
efried#topic Gate status14:12
efriedSome zuul restarts yesterday.14:12
efried#info Temporarily skipping TestNovaMigrationsMySQL until VPMEM and PCPU changes merge: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/683009/ - will revert the skip before RC1.14:12
efried#link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html14:12
efried#link 3rd party CI status (seems to be back in action) http://ciwatch.mmedvede.net/project?project=nova14:12
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mriedembefore getting into that skip,14:12
mriedemi noticed the bottom of the pcpu series was rechecked and had a failure in the live migration job https://review.opendev.org/#/c/680107/14:13
mriedemsomeone should investigate that (i've got it open but haven't dug in yet)14:13
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mriedemas for skipping TestNovaMigrationsMySQL that's temporary to get the vpmem and pcpu series through which continue to fail on that bug,14:14
mriedemfor those that don't know, that bug only shows up on one node provider,14:14
mriedemwe do'nt have a clear fix,14:14
mriedemi'm not aware of any remaining open changes we plan on merging that change db schema14:14
efriedYeah, has nothing to do with VPMEM/PCPU specifically. It's just gate fails frequently enough on this bug that it's just keeping stuff from merging. We haven't figured out how to fix it yet.14:14
mriedemand we still have the pg version of that test14:14
efriedbeen trying to dig in and get logs and stuff, but so far no enlightenment.14:15
bauzaswe're not merging a DB migration AFAIK14:15
dansmithif it was the middle of the cycle, that would sound totally legit14:15
mriedemso it's a temporary skip to unblock the gate since it seems we're pot committed to getting vpmem and pcpu merged regardless of when14:15
bauzasso I think it's okay14:15
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efried#link logstash for bug 1823251 http://logstash.openstack.org/#/dashboard/file/logstash.json?query=message:%5C%22sqlalchemy.exc.InterfaceError:%20(pymysql.err.InterfaceError)%20(0,%20'')%5C%22%20AND%20tags:%5C%22console%5C%22%20AND%20voting:1&from=864000s14:16
openstackbug 1823251 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Spike in TestNovaMigrationsMySQL.test_walk_versions/test_innodb_tables failures since April 1 2019 on limestone-regionone" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182325114:16
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efriedmove on?14:17
efried#topic Reminders14:18
efried#link Release note prelude: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-train-prelude14:18
efried#link September 20 (tomorrow) is the deadline for Forum topic submissions: https://cfp.openstack.org/14:18
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efriedwhat's the action on the prelude? I guess that gets parlayed into a reno patch at some point soon?14:18
mriedemyes14:19
mriedemneeds an owner14:19
mriedemmost if it can be lifted from the highlights14:19
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efried#help Volunteer to write up the prelude patch14:19
bauzasI can14:19
efriedMerci bien bauzas14:19
bauzasI did in the past, I'm a bit rusty tho14:20
efried#action bauzas to write reno prelude patch14:20
efried#topic Stable branch status14:20
efried#link stable/stein: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/stein14:20
efried#link stable/rocky: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/rocky14:20
efried#link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/queens14:20
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bauzasbut if that's all about filing a patch stuffed by some etherpad, I'm cool14:20
efriedmriedem: words?14:20
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mriedemstable/stein is mostly flushed so we could release that soonish14:20
mriedemi've gone through rocky and queens this week, +2ed what i can, but some of those are waiting for another core or stein to be released14:21
efried#action stable core to flush rocky/queens14:23
efried#topic Sub/related team Highlights14:23
efriedPlacement (cdent)14:23
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efried#link latest pupdate http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-September/009160.html14:23
efriedguess that was 2w ago (but we didn't talk about it last week)14:24
efriedI think the highlights here are14:24
efried#link consumer types in progress https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:bp/support-consumer-types14:24
efriedIf someone in nova cares about using that ^ they could help review it.14:25
efriedand14:25
efriedtetsuro is the ussuri placement PTL \o/14:25
mriedemwith chris out this week and rc1 next week i'd think consumer types (also being low priority) is going to be deferred14:25
efriedI would think so as well14:26
efriedtetsuro: opinion ^ ?14:26
tetsuroI'd like you to help, but pleasure to continue working with you14:26
tetsuros/you/openstackers14:27
efriedAPI (gmann)14:27
efriedI didn't see anything on the ML this week. There's probably not much to say at this stage in the release, when API changes should be either done or deferred, yah?14:28
efried#topic Stuck Reviews14:28
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efriedAny?14:28
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efried#topic Review status page14:28
efried#link http://status.openstack.org/reviews/#nova14:28
efriedCount: 459 (-5); Top score: 251414:28
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efried#topic Open discussion14:29
efriedRequest you all to review this14:29
efried#link Ignore root_gb for BFV in simple tenant usage API https://review.opendev.org/#/c/612626/14:29
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mriedemi left comments on that - same as in irc the other day14:29
mriedemneeds to be split up14:29
efriedk. Is this on the RC1 discussion list?14:29
mriedemit's super latent, as in forever, behavior, so no14:30
mriedemit adds an extra table join,14:30
mriedemwhen pulling instances,14:30
mriedemso the model query impacts there could be severe14:30
mriedemso i'd really want someone more in the know on that stuff to review it in isolation - which is why i asked for it to be split up14:31
mriedemtl;dr join between instances and bdms to determine if each instance in the result set is volume-backed14:31
dansmiththat14:31
dansmithlikely would suck14:32
mriedemyeah,14:32
mriedemand i've always been told that os-simple-tenant-usage performance already sucks,14:32
mriedemand it's the first thing someone hits when logging into horizon14:32
efried[Not landing in Train] should be made clear to shilpasd and bhagyashris, if it hasn't already. I get the impression (from their IRC queries and the fact this is on the meeting agenda) that they may still be thinking that's possible.14:32
mriedembhagyashris has been pushing it a long time14:33
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efried#link Specless blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/mox-removal-ussuri14:34
efriedI'm just going to approve this14:34
takashinWould you approve the blueprint?14:34
takashinThank you.14:34
efriedThe remaining patches were +A a week ago, then we deferred them as being too close to RC1, so we should be able to land this and close it out early in ussuri14:35
efrieddeltas since +A are just updating commit message with new bp name.14:35
takashinYes14:35
mriedemefried: but you're not going to re-approve those for train right now right?14:35
efriedcorrect14:36
efriedwait until ussuri forks.14:36
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efriedon the topic of ussuri14:36
efriedThis isn't a fully formulated plan yet, but I want to put it in your heads.14:37
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efriedI'd like to dramatically constrain the scope of the release in terms of how many blueprints we "approve"14:37
efriedon the theory that proposers would rather get a hard "no" right now than have NO IDEA whether their "approved" thing is going to land, and find out late in the release that it doesn't have a chance.14:37
mriedempretty sure we tried a version of that in newton/ocata,14:38
mriedemby constraining deadlines14:38
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mriedemnon-priority spec freeze/FF, priority spec freeze/FF14:39
efriedCounting up the number of approved-but-not-completed plus proposed-but-not-approved-before-spec-freeze blueprints from Train, and subtracting the handful that I don't think actually have any interest behind them, the number is eerily close to the number of blueprints we actually completed in Train. So I'm thinking of constraining roughly along those lines.14:39
mriedemthe end result is that cores are most busy 2 weeks before a deadline14:39
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efriedwell, that's what happened in train too14:39
mriedemit's what has *always* happened14:39
mriedemregardless of when we shift the goal posts14:39
efriedSo we might as well be busy with less stuff for those two weeks.14:40
sean-k-mooneyefried: ya that last bit does not happen14:40
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sean-k-mooneyyou just end up being busy more often14:40
sean-k-mooneywe could try it again14:40
efriedanyway, if the dates-based experiment didn't succeed, perhaps a content-based experiment will have different results.14:40
mriedemi guess it depends on what you consider as "having interest",14:41
mriedemi know the spot instances stuff from cern has wide interest outside of cern and has been in production at cern for awhile,14:41
efrieddifferent experiment sean-k-mooney. But agree, just because it didn't help once doesn't mean it couldn't be refined and/or retried and have better results.14:41
mriedembut the guy pushing it is obviously busy with his day job14:41
* bauzas is back14:42
mriedemwe also didn't have runways back when we did the strict granular deadlines thing, but i'm not sure how much runways are helping at this point either14:42
sean-k-mooneymriedem: ya it would be a nice feature to have14:42
bauzasjust an open thought, do we feel we need to stick with cycle-with-rc ?14:42
bauzashttps://releases.openstack.org/reference/release_models.html14:43
efriedfor the nova deliverable?14:43
bauzasyup14:43
efriedWhat else would it be?14:43
sean-k-mooneyi think we need to be careful not to have serise in runways that touch the same code. the numa lm vpmem and pcpu code show that does not work well14:43
bauzasthere is cycle-with-intermediary, like swift14:43
sean-k-mooneybauzas: that still requries a release per milestone apparently14:43
efriedbauzas: interesting idea, but how would that help?14:44
bauzasbut not worth engaging it now14:44
sean-k-mooneyat least that is what i was told for os-vif14:44
sean-k-mooneybut it coudl be worth trying14:44
bauzasthat said, I'm not sure we will have quota at the PTG14:44
bauzasin terms of attendance14:44
mriedemi do'nt think that would change anything14:44
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gibimy running theory is that we are bad at reviewing half done patch series which means long series are pushed close to the deadline14:44
mriedemplus,14:44
bauzasless milestone heckness IMHO14:44
dansmithnot unless the deployment projects support deploying the intermediary releases14:44
mriedemwhat would cycle-with-intermediary mean for grenade testing?14:44
stephenfingibi: Yeah, big series are hard to review14:45
dansmithsome people install just swift, or separate from everything else14:45
efriedYeah, that (PTG sparseness) is another reason constraining to already-approved/proposed will be helpful for ussuri. We ought to be able to resolve any issues via email pretty easily.14:45
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dansmithbut unless OSA, tripleo, etc can deploy those releases, I don't think anyone is going to actually use them14:45
bauzasdansmith: you're actually making a great point14:45
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bauzasI thought we could cope with intermediate releases that our deployment teams would consume14:45
bauzasbut if they aren't ready, the question is nonsense then14:46
dansmithI think we'd still have to maintain big-to-big release compatibility,14:46
dansmithwhich means there's less reason to use the minor releases14:46
dansmithso it becomes overhead I think14:46
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dansmithit's an intermediate deadline, which might be valuable, but otherwise I'm not sure what it accomplishes14:46
bauzasanyway, like I said, just an open thought, and not the right time for it14:46
sean-k-mooneyi think osa and kolla woudl be able to deploy the intermedira failrly simplery14:46
mriedemwould be able to and giving a shit about doing so are very different things14:47
dansmithif we assigned approved blueprints to milestones we have today and just hard deferred things that didn't make it, that would be lighter but the same sort of deal14:47
bauzasand I'm all up balancing the pros and cons14:47
dansmithhowever, we push things past even the most important deadlines these days,14:47
dansmithso I can't imagine we're going to really do that14:47
bauzasdansmith: my thoughts come from the fact I would honestly try to decrease our pressure on those "deadlines" by releasing more often14:48
mriedemwaterfall, people. have you heard of it? i'm hearing people saying it's the best.14:48
bauzasheh14:48
bauzaswe need to be agile.14:48
dansmithbauzas: yeah, I just don't believe it's going to happen.. look at the shambles the current deadline is in :)14:48
bauzasyou're probably right14:48
bauzasanyway, that's a bikeshed at the moment14:49
efriedanything else before we close?14:49
mriedemefried: i'd say if you want to pursue the thought,14:49
mriedemit's ML time14:49
bauzas++14:49
efriedyes, I'm planning to hit that next week some time.14:49
efriedafter RC114:49
efriedhopefully that doesn't leave too much time for new proposals to come in14:50
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mriedemi have some rmd specs...14:50
efriedI'm going to be on PTO today & tomorrow (family in town). Email if you need anything - I'll be checking frequently.14:51
efriedmriedem: too soon14:51
efried#endmeeting14:51
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fungiheyhey15:00
gagehugo#startmeeting security15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 19 15:00:42 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
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nickthetaithi15:01
gagehugo#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda #agenda15:01
mheno/15:01
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gagehugoWill start in a couple mins15:02
fungia deh'ya, mon15:02
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gagehugook15:05
gagehugo#topic Deleted user still can delete volumes in Horizon15:05
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gagehugo#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/184293015:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1842930 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Deleted user still can delete volumes in Horizon" [High,Confirmed]15:06
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fungithis is one place help would be welcomed15:07
fungiit seems we used to have some prominent documentation about the impact of caching authentication and authorization responses, but that has been lost in rewrites15:07
fungiit also may be worthwhile to mention in the security guide15:08
fungiit seems to at least violate the principle of least surprise where user deletion is concerned15:08
gagehugoagreed15:08
fungiat a minimum, anywhere we document recommendations around token caching, the caveats should be clearly spelled out15:09
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gagehugoyeah15:10
gagehugoit would be good to clearly define this in both Horizon and the Security Docs15:11
nickthetaitdo you know where/when the old version of those docs were?15:12
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gagehugohttps://docs.openstack.org/horizon/latest/configuration/settings.html#session-timeout15:14
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gagehugothat's the latest15:14
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gagehugoThe issue with viewing older docs is they tend to move pages around between releases15:16
gagehugohttps://docs.openstack.org/horizon/ocata/topics/settings.html#session-timeout15:16
gagehugo#topic Open Discussion15:21
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gagehugoFloor is open if anyone has anything else15:21
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nickthetaitone from me15:22
nickthetait#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossp-security-documentation/+bug/170335315:22
openstackLaunchpad bug 1703353 in OpenStack Security Guide Documentation "Need sections on api audit / cadf" [High,Confirmed]15:22
gagehugoyeah, I have a sticky note for that15:22
nickthetaitI've read through the linked docs and have a rough idea of what audit middleware does15:23
nickthetaitbut not sure what kind of recommendations need to be made15:23
nickthetaitother than "its important and you should use it" :P15:23
gagehugobasically that, it could also be good to point out the oslo drivers, ie rabbit vs log file15:24
gagehugothat the audit middleware outputs to15:24
nickthetaitso admins need to decide which format/destination they want to use?15:25
gagehugooperators yeah15:25
nickthetaitok15:26
nickthetaitdoesn't seem like a much content, I should be able to draft something next week15:26
gagehugoI would also do something like the keystone cadf docs do, and point out the structure of a sample CADF notification15:26
nickthetaitsure15:26
gagehugoso, something like "it contains the timestamp, API path, user_id, etc"15:27
gagehugobecause auditors often require this information, and it would be helpful imo to point out what info these notifications have15:27
gagehugonickthetait: I can help co-author part of that too15:28
nickthetaitsounds good15:28
gagehugoas someone who's set it up for their organization :p15:29
gagehugoanything else?15:29
nickthetaiti'm good15:29
mhennope15:31
gagehugothanks for coming everyone!15:33
gagehugo#endmeeting15:33
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fungithanks gagehugo!15:36
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