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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Dec 21 14:00:25 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:00 |
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| slaweq | hi | 14:02 |
| kailun | hi | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | hi | 14:02 |
| nicky0419_ | hi | 14:03 |
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| cheng1 | hi | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | let's wait a few minutes for quorum | 14:03 |
| nicky0419_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1805769 Please take look at it. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1805769 in neutron "[RFE] Add a config option rpc_response_max_timeout" [Undecided,Incomplete] - Assigned to nicky (ss104301) | 14:04 |
| nicky0419_ | If possible I want to disscuss this rfe. | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | nicky0419_: we will probably not discuss this RFE in this meeting today | 14:04 |
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| nicky0419_ | mlavalle: Got it. Thanks. | 14:05 |
| mlavalle | nicky0419_: but I will comment on it later today | 14:06 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:06 |
| mlavalle | hi haleyb | 14:07 |
| mlavalle | we have quorum now | 14:07 |
| mlavalle | #topic RFEs | 14:08 |
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| mlavalle | Let's discuss https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1795212 | 14:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1795212 in neutron "[RFE] Prevent DHCP agent from processing stale RPC messages when restarting up" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Kailun Qin (kailun.qin) | 14:08 |
| mlavalle | kailun: I believe this is yours, right? | 14:09 |
| kailun | mlavalle: yes | 14:09 |
| kailun | team, I've addressed your comments/questions in the launchpad, please kindly have a look | 14:10 |
| mlavalle | kailun: yes, I went over it carefully yesterday | 14:10 |
| mlavalle | thanks for your responses | 14:10 |
| kailun | mlavalle: thank you, your last comment together w/ slaweq's, I've answered it today | 14:11 |
| mlavalle | kailun: yes, I am looking at the code right now | 14:11 |
| kailun | mlavalle: slaweq: see if you have any further comment on that corner case raised | 14:11 |
| slaweq | kailun: mlavalle I think that You dispel my doubts about it | 14:12 |
| liuyulong | This is worthy to do some testing like booting tons instance at one time, and restart the dhcp agent. | 14:12 |
| liuyulong | Rally may be the tool for it. | 14:13 |
| slaweq | liuyulong: yes, I also wonder what impact it will have on performance | 14:13 |
| kailun | liuyulong: the bug was initially coming from a production env, and the fix has been validated based on that as well | 14:13 |
| kailun | slaweq: liuyulong: personally I agree w/ your opinions | 14:14 |
| liuyulong | kailun: Thanks, good to know | 14:14 |
| slaweq | kailun: so, to be sure I understand it correctly, during this delay just after start of agent, You expect that all "stale" rpc messages will be removed from queue? | 14:15 |
| slaweq | and then after delay they will not be processed by agent, am I right? | 14:16 |
| kailun | slaweq: liuyulong: actually the stale RPC msgs would be consumedd quickly since they are discarded w/o doing any real work in the agent, so the performance shouldn't be impacted much | 14:16 |
| kailun | slaweq: correct | 14:17 |
| slaweq | ahh, ok | 14:17 |
| haleyb | the other option (which i've probably mentioned before) is to do as the l3-agent does - use a queue | 14:17 |
| slaweq | so during this delay, agent will consume old message and not do anything with them | 14:17 |
| slaweq | and then it will start doing full sync, right? | 14:17 |
| kailun | haleyb: yes thanks for the proposal, I investigated a little bit but found that it might not meet our requirment | 14:18 |
| liuyulong | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/626830/, this patch was submit todady, use resource queue. | 14:18 |
| kailun | slaweq: during the delay, agent will discard the old msgs, but while doing the full sync, it will keep them due to the read lock and process them later | 14:19 |
| haleyb | kailun: can you explain a little? it should order rpc messages based on arrival | 14:19 |
| kailun | haleyb: please kindly have a look at the comment #8 of the launchpad | 14:20 |
| kailun | haleyb: I tried to answer your question, I'd like to copy-paste the answer here but I have a problem w/ the irc client:) sry | 14:21 |
| haleyb | kailun: ack. but in your case, how does the agent know there are stale rpc messages, just based on the config option timeout? | 14:22 |
| mlavalle | yes, that is my understanding. it is assumed that after the the wait period, the stale messages would have been consumed | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | right kailun? | 14:24 |
| kailun | haleyb: I agree it's a little uncertain in comparing w/ timestamp/sequence based, but based on the comment #10, we consider some other points | 14:24 |
| slaweq | can it happen that delay will be too short and some messages will not be discarded in some cases? | 14:25 |
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| kailun | haleyb: personnally, I think it's no harm to add a delay for agents w/ default 0 | 14:25 |
| liuyulong | IIRC, the oslo.messaging has some settings about the queue duration | 14:26 |
| haleyb | slaweq: yes, and i was thinking too long and we throw out "good" ones, but i guess the fullsync would fix that | 14:27 |
| kailun | mlavalle: the msgs will be discarded if not in the syncing stage, but for all those during syncing they'll be delayed processing | 14:27 |
| mlavalle | kailun: I understand that | 14:27 |
| kailun | slaweq: as I said, the delay should not be long as the stale msgs can be consumed quickly | 14:28 |
| slaweq | is there maybe any way in oslo messaging to do something like "clean queue from all messages" and then start normal full_sync? | 14:28 |
| slaweq | like one call instead of delay and pray that it will be enough :) | 14:28 |
| mlavalle | kailun: so the "stale" messages will be consumed while waiting here, right: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/609463/10/neutron/agent/dhcp/agent.py@167? | 14:29 |
| kailun | slaweq: understood your wish, but I am not aware of that :) | 14:29 |
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| kailun | mlavalle: correct | 14:30 |
| slaweq | kailun: maybe it would be good to ask oslo folks about that, and maybe it would be possible to add something like that there? | 14:30 |
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| haleyb | right, because otherwise there is no perfect setting for every deployment | 14:30 |
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| slaweq | there is something like that in rabbitmq: https://www.rabbitmq.com/rabbitmqctl.8.html#purge_queue | 14:32 |
| mlavalle | kailun: let's be clear. I think I can safely say we all understand the problem you are bringing up and we highly appreciate the fact that you and your team are uncovering these corner cases | 14:32 |
| slaweq | so probably it can be also implemented in oslo.messaging | 14:32 |
| haleyb | right, and it might also be applied to other agents that way | 14:32 |
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| mlavalle | kailun: this is clearly a contribution to improve Neutron's performance. we are just thinking with you what the best solution might be | 14:33 |
| kailun | just one concern, if multiple dhcp agents but only one restarted | 14:33 |
| kailun | does it make sense for this dhcp agent restarted to clean all messages? | 14:34 |
| liuyulong | Each dhcp agent may have its own topic, clean that | 14:34 |
| slaweq | don't each agent have own queue? | 14:35 |
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| slaweq | I'm looking at https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/api/rpc/agentnotifiers/dhcp_rpc_agent_api.py#L191 | 14:36 |
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| slaweq | and it looks that messages are sent "to host" | 14:36 |
| slaweq | so to specific agent | 14:36 |
| kailun | slaweq: liuyulong: per host | 14:36 |
| slaweq | and this queue can be purged by agent IMO | 14:36 |
| slaweq | kailun: per host and per agent type, right? | 14:37 |
| kailun | slaweq: yes | 14:37 |
| slaweq | so You will not purge e.g. L3 agent's queue with this | 14:37 |
| kailun | slaweq: no | 14:37 |
| slaweq | I know that I may be annoying with my requests but can You maybe explore also this one possibility instead of doing this delay? Because some constant delay don't look very reliable for me :/ | 14:38 |
| mlavalle | the proposed mechanism is simple and doesn't have backwards compatibility issues | 14:39 |
| liuyulong | One little concern about the current approach, message may be send twice for high availability scenario, right? And dhcp agent just stop that block, I'm not quite sure what will happen after that. | 14:39 |
| kailun | slaweq: it's OK no worry:) I cannot definitely ensure that purge queue is a better approach, but i agree it's worth looking into | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | however, based, on what we are discussing here, it won't perform predictably in all situations | 14:40 |
| kailun | mlavalle: agree w/ you | 14:41 |
| kailun | mlavalle: as I said, it's no harm anyway, and should address some corner cases as a quick solution | 14:42 |
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| haleyb | mlavalle: right, and adding a timer value means more work in other projects, for example, we'll need to support changing it on deploy in tripleo or ansible, etc | 14:42 |
| mlavalle | kailun: the good thing is that you and your team are helping us to uncover the corner cases that we have been unable to envision so far. But by definition this corner cases are more dificult to fix and therefore it is reasonable that we have a longer / more heated debate | 14:43 |
| mlavalle | don't you agree? | 14:43 |
| kailun | liuyulong: correct, i need further look into your HA case to give an answer | 14:44 |
| kailun | mlavalle: I agree | 14:44 |
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| mlavalle | kailun: but again, let me reiterate that we highly appreciate your bringing these cases to our attention | 14:45 |
| kailun | mlavalle: no problem, thank you all | 14:45 |
| mlavalle | kailun: before you go, let's also take a look at this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/626830 | 14:46 |
| mlavalle | let's consider it in the range of possible solutions, please | 14:46 |
| mlavalle | It might not be applicable, but at first glance it seems relevant | 14:46 |
| kailun | mlavalle: yes, yulong points that out, i'll take a look | 14:47 |
| liuyulong | Thanks kailun for the fix, yes, we have DHCP debts. And we recently also meet some DHCP issue locally during a booting storm... | 14:47 |
| liuyulong | Mainly this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1760047 | 14:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1760047 in neutron "some ports does not become ACTIVE during provisioning" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to yangjianfeng (yangjianfeng) | 14:48 |
| kailun | liuyulong: thanks, I'll have a look and see if any insight | 14:49 |
| mlavalle | I knew that the discussion of this RFE was going to be long, so I only scheduled this one for today | 14:49 |
| mlavalle | there are a few though that I would like to bring your attention to before we go: | 14:49 |
| mlavalle | first https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1805769 | 14:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1805769 in neutron "[RFE] Add a config option rpc_response_max_timeout" [Undecided,Incomplete] - Assigned to nicky (ss104301) | 14:50 |
| mlavalle | I will take the time today to comment on it. If you have spare bandwidth please take a look | 14:50 |
| slaweq | this one looks reasonable for me, I just though that would be good to have approval from drivers team as it proposes new config option | 14:51 |
| mlavalle | what do you think haleyb? | 14:52 |
| haleyb | i have not read it yet | 14:53 |
| haleyb | was this the config option in neutron-lib | 14:54 |
| haleyb | ? | 14:54 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's look at it and comment | 14:54 |
| slaweq | haleyb: it was originally proposed in neutron-lib | 14:54 |
| slaweq | but now it is moved to neutron | 14:54 |
| slaweq | as all other config options are in neutron | 14:54 |
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| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/626109/ | 14:55 |
| slaweq | yep | 14:55 |
| haleyb | i guess it looks fine | 14:56 |
| haleyb | was there a follow-on that used it? | 14:56 |
| mlavalle | I don't think there was | 14:57 |
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| haleyb | if a tree falls.... :) | 14:58 |
| haleyb | it would be good to have a user | 14:58 |
| slaweq | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/623401/10 | 14:58 |
| slaweq | this uses this option | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | thanks for digging that one up | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | running out of time | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | let's finish this one in channel | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| slaweq | ok | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Dec 21 15:00:03 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-12-21-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-12-21-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| nicky0419 | Bye | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-12-21-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | nicky0419: let's continue in the neutron channel | 15:00 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Dec 21 15:07:34 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | ping ttx, dhellmann, diablo_rojo_phon, armstrong, evrardjp, lbragstad | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | Sorry, time got away from me this morning. | 15:08 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 15:08 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Hello | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stein-relmgt-tracking | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:08 |
| evrardjp | o/ | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | We are at R-16 now. | 15:08 |
| armstrong | o/ | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | #topic Meeting time change | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Meeting time change (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:09 | |
| evrardjp | FYI I am on PTO until R-13. | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: Enjoy! | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | Kind of related to the meeting time change, I think we can skip next week's meeting. | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | Agreed | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | I think most are probably going to be taking some time off or be busy with other things. | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | I will be off the 24th to the 2nd. | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | Starting in the new year, we will have a new meeting time. | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | We had discussed changing and based on the last meeting I had proposed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/625290/ | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | It really doesn't help Tony, unfortunately, but I don't think we could find a time that would work for EU, US, and APAC. | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | So starting in January, meeting will now be on Thursday at 1600 UTC in the #openstack-release channel. | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | Any comments, concerns, thoughts on that topic? | 15:13 |
| evrardjp | It's impossible to please everyone... | 15:13 |
| evrardjp | I like the new meeting time | 15:14 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I'm happy to not have to wake up at 6:57AM after this week? | 15:14 |
| evrardjp | thanks for the change | 15:14 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo_phon: Hopefully that makes it a little more pleasant. | 15:14 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Yes, definitely thank you | 15:14 |
| ttx | Thought we had cancelled the meeting this week | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | Did we? | 15:15 |
| fungi | also a reasonable choice | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | Well.. surprise? :) | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | there's not much to talk about | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | I did want to at least officially state the meeting time change. | 15:15 |
| ttx | Technically, the eavesdrop calandar does not have one this week | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | But other than that, not much to go over this week. | 15:16 |
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| dhellmann | I threw a link to the eavesdrop session we had on monday into the tracking pad in case someone wants to go through it to look for things we don't have documented more formally | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | Ah, that's because the time change patch was merged right away I guess. | 15:16 |
| ttx | since the change merged earlier this week and describes meetings starting next year :P | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | #topic Release onboarding | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release onboarding (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:16 | |
| ttx | I had one topic though :) | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | This is the other thing I wanted to officially recognize. | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | Thanks dhellmann for running that training. | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-release/%23openstack-release.2018-12-17.log.html#t2018-12-17T19:16:46 | 15:17 |
| fungi | i found the onboarding session very enlightening, thanks again dhellmann! | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | thank you all for attending! | 15:17 |
| smcginnis | I think that will be useful if anyone else wants to read through too. Even if they don't get the real time code review experience. :) | 15:17 |
| smcginnis | ttx: What is you topic? | 15:18 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Thank you dhellmann for spending two hours educating me on release things :) | 15:18 |
| ttx | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2018-December/001256.html | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | #topic release job failures | 15:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release job failures (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:18 | |
| smcginnis | Oh, the rerelease failure | 15:18 |
| ttx | If someone knows what that "found 42 vulnerabilities (2 low, 34 moderate, 6 high)" mention refers to, please let me know | 15:19 |
| ttx | It's a NPM feature, that checks the stuff you're trying to upload for knownvulnerabilities in deps | 15:19 |
| smcginnis | I don't know npm much either, but I think that's pretty normal for that. | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | it sounds like they're pinned to old dependencies | 15:19 |
| ttx | But the report is a bit unclear | 15:19 |
| ttx | it looks like the vulnerabilities arise from npm 4.6.1 | 15:20 |
| ttx | but I could not find where that was pulled in | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | No response to that last post either. But good that it was called out. | 15:20 |
| ttx | But it could also be that the report is unclear and that comes from the pinned deps | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | I hope that team is looking into it. | 15:20 |
| fungi | are you saying the vulnerabilities are in/because of using npm 4.6.1, or that the vulnerability checking/reporting was introduced by npm 4.6.1? | 15:20 |
| ttx | Furthermore, it could just be the normal state of things in NPMland | 15:21 |
| ttx | Vuln checking was introduced in NPM6 | 15:21 |
| ttx | But the report mentions +npm@4.6.1 | 15:21 |
| ttx | just before saying "Boo!" | 15:21 |
| fungi | interesting | 15:21 |
| ttx | but then that npm@4.6.1 is not listed in the deps of k-s-r | 15:21 |
| ttx | and that is the limit of the extent of my npm knowledge | 15:22 |
| ttx | which I'd rather keep at that level for my sanity | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 15:22 |
| fungi | yeah, i know npm is a javascript something-or-other | 15:22 |
| ttx | so i was pinging the collective mindhive | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | Would it be worth another reply there to bump the thread? | 15:22 |
| ttx | fungi: would we have some other NPM upload job to check if the mention is different? | 15:23 |
| ttx | smcginnis: I just posted one | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | It would be nice to have some kind of ack from the team at least that they are aware of it. | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | OK, good. | 15:23 |
| ttx | I was trying to compare with another similar job output but could not find one at first glance | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | If there's something our release jobs need to be checking for that they are not now, I think someone more involved in JS development would need to tell us what that would be. | 15:24 |
| fungi | it may be that there are a couple of npm upload jobs still because of an incomplete transition to zuul v3 or something, looking | 15:24 |
| ttx | like maybe that npm@4.6.1 is brought in by the job itself, in which case it might make sense to generally update it | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | Hopefully there is a response on the thread. Not sure what we can do (or should do) from here. | 15:26 |
| smcginnis | Anything else to discuss? | 15:28 |
| fungi | #link https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/zuul-jobs/tree/roles/install-nodejs/defaults/main.yaml#n2 | 15:28 |
| fungi | looks like we default to nodejs v6 which presumably provides npm v6? | 15:29 |
| * dhellmann has nothing | 15:29 | |
| smcginnis | OK, let's see if someone more knowledgable on NPM steps forward. | 15:31 |
| smcginnis | I don't have any other agenda items. | 15:31 |
| ttx | nothing else on my side | 15:31 |
| smcginnis | Unless someone else has something, I think we can close early. | 15:31 |
| ttx | except happy holidays | 15:31 |
| ttx | starting VERY soon | 15:31 |
| smcginnis | I hope everyone has a nice break. Thank you all for being part of the release team. | 15:31 |
| fungi | thanks smcginnis! | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:32 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Dec 21 15:32:13 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-12-21-15.07.html | 15:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-12-21-15.07.txt | 15:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-12-21-15.07.log.html | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:32 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Thanks smcginnis! | 15:32 |
| lbragstad | thanks smcginnis | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo_phon: You can ship some of those cookies this way if you have too many. :) | 15:32 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | smcginnis: you been looking at my Snapchat? ;) | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | They look great! | 15:34 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Thanks :) The majority are coming with to London for Alex & Andy. | 15:34 |
| smcginnis | Nice! | 15:35 |
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