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| samP | #startmeeting masakari | 04:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 17 04:00:17 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:00 |
| samP | Hi all for masakari | 04:00 |
| tpatil | Hi | 04:00 |
| niraj_singh | hi | 04:00 |
| samP | tpatil: niraj_singh: hi | 04:00 |
| samP | Let's start, | 04:00 |
| samP | #topic Bugs/Patches | 04:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs/Patches (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:01 | |
| samP | Any bugs or patches need to discuss? | 04:01 |
| samP | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487430/ | 04:02 |
| patchbot | patch 487430 - masakari - Add db purge support | 04:02 |
| samP | LGTM, please address the latest comments. Then we can merge this. | 04:02 |
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| tpatil | all comments are addressed | 04:03 |
| tpatil | I have voted +2 | 04:03 |
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| tpatil | need another +2 | 04:03 |
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| tpatil | should the max rows is zero instead? | 04:05 |
| samP | tpatil: It seems to me, there are some minor comments from Abhishek and Kwan | 04:05 |
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| samP | tpatil: yep, are those addressed? | 04:05 |
| tpatil | Abhishek comments are trivial. Since the patch was uploaded in 2017, since in the copyright 2017 is mentioned | 04:05 |
| tpatil | hence in the copyright 2017 is mentioned | 04:06 |
| tpatil | Another comment from Louis is comparing with line 183, should the max rows is zero instead? | 04:06 |
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| tpatil | IMO, max_rows -1 will delete all records based on age_in_days | 04:07 |
| samP | tpatil: agree on abhishek's comment. | 04:07 |
| tpatil | you mean 2018 is correct? | 04:07 |
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| samP | tpatil: My understanding is 2017 is correct in this case, cause patch was submitted on 2017/ | 04:09 |
| tpatil | samP: OK | 04:09 |
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| tpatil | max_rows zero is invalid value | 04:10 |
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| samP | tpatil: you are correct about second comment | 04:10 |
| samP | tpatil: -1 is LGTM | 04:10 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks | 04:10 |
| tpatil | I will request Pooja to reply to these comments and then someone should review the patch again | 04:11 |
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| samP | tpatil: since we discussed here, I will put +2 and link to this discussion. That will merge the patch | 04:12 |
| tpatil | samP: Sounds good to me. Thank you | 04:12 |
| samP | tpatil: NP. | 04:13 |
| tpatil | another patch : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/560237/ | 04:13 |
| patchbot | patch 560237 - masakari-specs - Add Rocky specs repo | 04:13 |
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| tpatil | Is it ok to move the template.rst from respective releases folder to specs folder? | 04:13 |
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| tpatil | For example, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/560237/1/doc/source/specs/queens/implemented/queens_template.rst | 04:14 |
| patchbot | patch 560237 - masakari-specs - Add Rocky specs repo | 04:14 |
| samP | tpatil: it used to be a symbolic link | 04:14 |
| tpatil | should be placed inside https://review.openstack.org/#/c/560237/1/doc/source/specs/queens_template.rst | 04:14 |
| patchbot | patch 560237 - masakari-specs - Add Rocky specs repo | 04:14 |
| tpatil | yes, it should be a symbolic link | 04:15 |
| Dinesh_Bhor_ | samP: Yes, you are right. I will fix this. | 04:15 |
| tpatil | Dinesh_Bhor: Thank you | 04:15 |
| samP | Dinesh_Bhor_: thans | 04:15 |
| samP | s/thans/thanks | 04:15 |
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| samP | sorry, little disruption.. | 04:18 |
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| samP | tpatil: Dinesh_Bhor_ : replace the *template.rst in implemented/ with symbolic link to *template.rst in /spec/queens | 04:19 |
| samP | ^^ am I correct/ | 04:19 |
| tpatil | or we can simple put actual queens template.rst inside specs instead of specs/queens | 04:20 |
| tpatil | s/simple/simply | 04:20 |
| tpatil | What do you guys prefer? | 04:20 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor_ | There should have respective template for each release if we decide to add/remove any tags to format. | 04:21 |
| Dinesh_Bhor_ | s/format/spec format. | 04:21 |
| samP | tpatil: well, nova have templates in nova-specs/specs and link them to other places | 04:21 |
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| tpatil | I'm asking to follow on nova path itself | 04:22 |
| samP | tpatil: I prefer nova way of handling things | 04:22 |
| Dinesh_Bhor_ | okay. I will fix this similar to nova | 04:23 |
| samP | Dinesh_Bhor_: thanks | 04:23 |
| samP | Any other bug/patches need to discuss? | 04:24 |
| tpatil | Talking about openstaacksdk release, we will need to submit patch to release newer version of openstacksdk by ourselves | 04:25 |
| tpatil | under openstack/releases | 04:26 |
| samP | tpatil: Sorry, I couldn't discuss this with release team yet.. | 04:26 |
| samP | tpatil: do we have do it our self?? | 04:26 |
| tpatil | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/releases+message:openstacksdk | 04:27 |
| tpatil | We can push patch similar to this one : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/533624/ | 04:27 |
| patchbot | patch 533624 - releases - Release python-openstacksdk 0.10.0 (MERGED) | 04:27 |
| samP | tpatil: Normally, some one form release liaison of the project or PTL submit those patches...AFAIK | 04:29 |
| samP | tpatil: May be it is different in sdk project. | 04:29 |
| samP | and Motoki san is a SDK core. (I think) | 04:30 |
| samP | Any way I will ask right after this meeting. | 04:30 |
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| tpatil | samP: Thank you | 04:30 |
| amotoki | samP: I am OSC core. I am not a core of SDK bu helping SDK project. | 04:31 |
| samP | amotoki: Hi, motoki-san | 04:31 |
| amotoki | hi | 04:31 |
| samP | amotoki: We need a new version of sdk to released | 04:32 |
| amotoki | samP: with masakari support? | 04:32 |
| samP | amotoki: No, with latest fix for proxy | 04:33 |
| amotoki | samP: mordred is the PTL of OpenStackSDK. he is the right contact. | 04:33 |
| samP | amotoki: sure, I will contact him right after this meeting with details. Thanks | 04:34 |
| amotoki | samP: if you have questions, I can help. | 04:34 |
| samP | amotoki: sure, That's really nice. I will tag you | 04:35 |
| samP | tpatil: I will get back to you with details. | 04:36 |
| tpatil | samP: OK | 04:36 |
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| samP | amotoki: Thank you in advance..! | 04:37 |
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| samP | #topic Discussion Points | 04:37 |
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| samP | tpatil: Any update on ansible support? | 04:38 |
| tpatil | niraj_singh is working on it | 04:38 |
| tpatil | #link : https://github.com/NirajSingh90/openstack-ansible-os_masakari | 04:38 |
| niraj_singh | masakari ansible specs merged. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556756/ | 04:38 |
| patchbot | patch 556756 - openstack-ansible-specs - Add specs to create masakari role (MERGED) | 04:38 |
| samP | tpatil: niraj_singh: Thanks. | 04:39 |
| tpatil | so far, it's possible to install masakari-api and masakari-engine | 04:39 |
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| tpatil | Niraj is working on deploying masakari-monitors on compute node | 04:40 |
| samP | tpatil: niraj_singh: great news! Thanks for implementing this. | 04:41 |
| niraj_singh | Currently Evrar form ansible want to include this github repo into openstack-ansible this week. | 04:41 |
| niraj_singh | means openstack namespace | 04:42 |
| samP | niraj_singh: got it. | 04:42 |
| niraj_singh | so currently i am working on the docs and other files. | 04:42 |
| niraj_singh | so that they can review it. | 04:42 |
| samP | niraj_singh: understand. Thanks. | 04:43 |
| tpatil | Even if the docs are not complete, it should be possible to move your GitHub repo code into open stack GitHub repo | 04:43 |
| samP | tpatil: correct. Is it become a sub repo of OSA project? | 04:44 |
| tpatil | I think it will be separate project similar to https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_nova | 04:45 |
| niraj_singh | yes | 04:45 |
| samP | tpatil: niraj_singh: yep, it is a separate repo as you said. But it repo owns to OSA team | 04:46 |
| samP | #link https://github.com/openstack/releases/blob/master/deliverables/rocky/openstack-ansible.yaml | 04:48 |
| tpatil | That's correct. All patches will be reviewed by OSA team. We cannot approve any patches | 04:48 |
| samP | tpatil: yep, but we could review them from Masakari prospective | 04:49 |
| samP | niraj_singh: Let us know if you need any help on this. | 04:49 |
| Dinesh_Bhor_ | yes, we need to. | 04:49 |
| niraj_singh | samP: We also need to add pacemaker for this role. | 04:50 |
| tpatil | approve meaning +2/-2, we will definitely review patches | 04:50 |
| niraj_singh | i will need help on that part. | 04:50 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks. got it. | 04:51 |
| tpatil | niraj_singh: There is already a pacemaker role that we can reused, correct? | 04:51 |
| niraj_singh | yes. | 04:51 |
| tpatil | s/reused/reuse | 04:51 |
| samP | can you please send the link to that? | 04:51 |
| niraj_singh | https://github.com/leucos/ansible-pacemaker-corosync | 04:52 |
| samP | niraj_singh: ah..OK | 04:52 |
| samP | niraj_singh: seems like we need to update this role a bit for latest | 04:53 |
| tpatil | it's not part of openstack git repo | 04:53 |
| samP | tpatil: yep, it is not. | 04:54 |
| niraj_singh | there is another one https://github.com/devgateway/ansible-role-pacemaker | 04:54 |
| samP | since I could not find any Licence for above code, we can only refer this code. | 04:54 |
| tpatil | Is it used by any of the projects from OpenStack? | 04:54 |
| samP | AFAIK, we dont have pacemaker role in OSA. | 04:55 |
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| samP | or you could ask cluster LAB ML | 04:56 |
| samP | I think it is better to ask in cluster LAB ML for any details about ansible role for pacemaker and corosync | 04:57 |
| niraj_singh | ok | 04:57 |
| tpatil | https://clusterlabs.org | 04:57 |
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| samP | #link https://clusterlabs.org/ | 04:58 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks. same above | 04:58 |
| tpatil | samP: OK | 04:58 |
| samP | We only have 2 mins left. | 04:58 |
| samP | I am planning to submit patches for RPM packaging and Ubuntu packaging | 04:58 |
| samP | Will let you know more details. | 04:59 |
| samP | nee to finish this meeting... | 04:59 |
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| samP | Please use #openstack-masakari on Freenode or openstack-dev ML with [masakari] for further discussions | 05:00 |
| samP | Thanks all | 05:00 |
| samP | #endmeeting | 05:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 05:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 17 05:00:10 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-04-17-04.00.html | 05:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-04-17-04.00.txt | 05:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-04-17-04.00.log.html | 05:00 |
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| slaweq_ | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 17 16:00:30 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slaweq_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:00 |
| slaweq_ | hi | 16:00 |
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| mlavalle | o/ | 16:01 |
| jlibosva | o/ | 16:01 |
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| slaweq_ | jlibosva: haleyb: are You there? :) | 16:01 |
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| jlibosva | I am here | 16:01 |
| ihar | o/ | 16:01 |
| haleyb | hi, but i need to run home so will miss :20 | 16:01 |
| slaweq_ | yes :) | 16:02 |
| slaweq_ | ihar: new nick? | 16:02 |
| haleyb | assign me all the bugs :) | 16:02 |
| slaweq_ | haleyb: sure | 16:02 |
| jlibosva | all the bugs, not just the Neutron ones | 16:02 |
| slaweq_ | ok, let's start | 16:02 |
| slaweq_ | #topic Actions from previous meetings | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from previous meetings (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:03 | |
| slaweq_ | haleyb to continue testing why router migrations tests fails | 16:03 |
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| slaweq_ | haleyb: any update on this one? | 16:04 |
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| slaweq_ | ok, so I guess not, let's move on then | 16:05 |
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| slaweq_ | next one was | 16:05 |
| slaweq_ | haleyb to continue testing why router migrations tests fails | 16:05 |
| slaweq_ | undo | 16:05 |
| slaweq_ | slaweq will check old gate-failure bugs | 16:05 |
| slaweq_ | so, again I didn't have time to go through this list yet | 16:05 |
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| slaweq_ | but I will try to do it this week | 16:06 |
| slaweq_ | #action slaweq will check old gate-failure bugs | 16:06 |
| slaweq_ | next one | 16:06 |
| slaweq_ | yamahata to fix issues with openstack-tox-py35-with-neutron-lib-master periodic job | 16:06 |
| yamahata | I think it's fixed and it can be confirmed health check | 16:07 |
| slaweq_ | yes, I saw that periodic jobs are passing now | 16:07 |
| slaweq_ | thx a lot for help | 16:07 |
| slaweq_ | ok, next one | 16:08 |
| slaweq_ | haleyb will mark router migration tests are unstable | 16:08 |
| slaweq_ | I think it was done already | 16:08 |
| mlavalle | I +2ed that patch yesterday | 16:08 |
| slaweq_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/561322/ | 16:08 |
| patchbot | patch 561322 - neutron-tempest-plugin - Mark DVR/HA migration tests unstable (MERGED) | 16:08 |
| slaweq_ | it is this one probably | 16:09 |
| slaweq_ | so it's done | 16:09 |
| mlavalle | yes | 16:09 |
| slaweq_ | and last but not least | 16:09 |
| slaweq_ | agreed after meeting with mlavalle :) | 16:09 |
| slaweq_ | mlavalle to makes ovsfw scenario job voting | 16:09 |
| mlavalle | that was taken care of by jlibosva | 16:09 |
| slaweq_ | I think that jlibosva did it and it's now voting | 16:09 |
| jlibosva | yep it is voting now | 16:10 |
| slaweq_ | thx jlibosva | 16:10 |
| mlavalle | jlibosva: I told you, he was going to come after me ;-) | 16:10 |
| slaweq_ | today I also pushed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/561930/ related to this one | 16:10 |
| patchbot | patch 561930 - openstack-infra/project-config - Change label for neutron-tempest-ovsfw to "voting" | 16:10 |
| jlibosva | hehe :) | 16:10 |
| slaweq_ | to change job name in grafana | 16:10 |
| slaweq_ | ok, so that's all about actions from previous week | 16:11 |
| slaweq_ | #topic Grafana | 16:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Grafana (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:11 | |
| slaweq_ | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 16:11 |
| slaweq_ | I checked today graphs from last 7 days and it looks quite good | 16:12 |
| jlibosva | I like how dvr-multinode goes down after router migration tests are skipped :) | 16:12 |
| slaweq_ | except problems with pip 10 and lower-constraints which caused (almost) all tests failing all the time for last few days | 16:12 |
| slaweq_ | but those problems should be already fixed and jobs are getting better today again | 16:13 |
| slaweq_ | jlibosva: yes, dvr-multinode job is much better now :) | 16:13 |
| ihar | why gate tempest jobs so bad? is it because not many patches merged? | 16:13 |
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| slaweq_ | ihar: might be - please not that in last 3 days nothing was merged probably | 16:14 |
| slaweq_ | because of this issue with lower-constraints job and ryu package | 16:14 |
| jlibosva | yeah, we had one patch merged on 14th and then 2 patches merged today | 16:14 |
| jlibosva | and that's it | 16:15 |
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| ihar | yeah. that's what I am saying, maybe that's because the number of data points is so low so average was skewed by an outlier. | 16:15 |
| ihar | ok | 16:15 |
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| slaweq_ | ok then :) | 16:15 |
| slaweq_ | do You have anything to add? | 16:16 |
| slaweq_ | or we can go to talk about some specific job types? | 16:16 |
| jlibosva | looks like we're good here | 16:16 |
| slaweq_ | ok then | 16:17 |
| slaweq_ | #topic Functional | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Functional (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:17 | |
| slaweq_ | today I saw failure like http://logs.openstack.org/67/556667/20/check/neutron-functional/71b2acc/logs/testr_results.html.gz in functional tests | 16:17 |
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| jlibosva | bollocks | 16:18 |
| slaweq_ | and I think that I saw same issue at least one more time last week | 16:18 |
| slaweq_ | maybe it's not big problem yet but I wanted to mention about it | 16:18 |
| jlibosva | that might mean the firewall blink is not fixed | 16:18 |
| jlibosva | I'll have a look | 16:19 |
| slaweq_ | or at least there is some corner case when it is failing | 16:19 |
| slaweq_ | thx jlibosva | 16:19 |
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| slaweq_ | #action jlibosva take a look on failing ovsfw blink functional test | 16:19 |
| slaweq_ | ok, next topic | 16:20 |
| slaweq_ | #topic Fullstack | 16:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Fullstack (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:20 | |
| slaweq_ | nothing very urgent on my side for fullstack currently | 16:20 |
| slaweq_ | but I found today one failed security groups test http://logs.openstack.org/12/470912/38/check/neutron-fullstack/ba16b38/logs/testr_results.html.gz so I will take a look on it during the week | 16:21 |
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| slaweq_ | #action slaweq will check failed SG fullstack test | 16:21 |
| slaweq_ | do You have anything to add according to fullstack? | 16:22 |
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| ihar | no | 16:23 |
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| slaweq_ | so next topic | 16:23 |
| slaweq_ | #topic Scenarios | 16:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Scenarios (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:23 | |
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| slaweq_ | as jlibosva told already dvr-multinode job is getting better with skipped migration tests :) | 16:24 |
| slaweq_ | let's see this week what failure rate it will have without those tests | 16:24 |
| slaweq_ | other scenario jobs looks quite good now IMO | 16:24 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 16:24 |
| * ihar thrilled | 16:24 | |
| jlibosva | we still have the trunk failing occasionally that I'm looking at. I deployed multinode dvr environment and I'm not able to reproduce the issue locally. I ran the tests probably around 100 times | 16:24 |
| slaweq_ | I know that it wasn't so common failure reason for this job so it might be hard to reproduce | 16:25 |
| slaweq_ | jlibosva: it might be hard to reproduce it locally :/ | 16:26 |
| jlibosva | it never failed for me | 16:27 |
| slaweq_ | did You checked logs from such failed job? Do You have any idea what could be the problem there? | 16:28 |
| jlibosva | I suspect wrong order of rpc messages about remote security group and prepare_port_filter. the logs contain error where vlan tag can't be found in ovsdb for given subport/trunk | 16:29 |
| jlibosva | that means ovs firewall cannot get correct zone to be used in conntrack as the zone number corresponds with the local vlan tag of given port | 16:29 |
| jlibosva | so then all traffic is dropped | 16:29 |
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| jlibosva | which would explain the SSH connection issue | 16:29 |
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| jlibosva | but I can't find a reason why the vlan tag is not present in the ovsdb | 16:30 |
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| slaweq_ | maybe You should add some additional debug logs in agent and wait for new failure to check it? | 16:31 |
| jlibosva | it also seems that the scenario job doesn't have indexed console output in logstash | 16:31 |
| jlibosva | yeah, I plan to log snapshot of openflows per ovs firewall action, so we can see the state of openflows at the time of failure | 16:32 |
| slaweq_ | yeah, I was talking about some time ago but when I didn't need it anymore I forgot about it :/ | 16:32 |
| slaweq_ | ok, so You will continue work or this, right? | 16:33 |
| ihar | jlibosva: why isn't it in logstash? | 16:33 |
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| jlibosva | ihar: I do not know :) | 16:33 |
| ihar | you mean console.html not indexed? | 16:33 |
| ihar | or whatever it is named now | 16:33 |
| jlibosva | it's now the job-output.txt or something like that | 16:33 |
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| jlibosva | but yeah, that one | 16:34 |
| ihar | weird. I can take a look at that one | 16:34 |
| slaweq_ | it's job-output.txt.gz | 16:34 |
| jlibosva | ihar: first step would be to make sure I'm not lying :) | 16:34 |
| ihar | yeah sure :) | 16:34 |
| ihar | I will keep you honest and shame in public if you aren't! | 16:34 |
| jlibosva | thanks | 16:35 |
| ihar | :)) | 16:35 |
| ihar | slaweq_: add an action | 16:35 |
| slaweq_ | #action jlibosva will check if job output are indexed in logstash | 16:35 |
| jlibosva | slaweq_: ihar :) | 16:36 |
| slaweq_ | ihar: here You go :) | 16:36 |
| jlibosva | slaweq_: ihar will check | 16:36 |
| ihar | yes | 16:36 |
| slaweq_ | ah, sorry | 16:36 |
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| jlibosva | I mean, I just checked and I still cannot see it | 16:36 |
| slaweq_ | #action ihar will check if job output are indexed in logstash | 16:36 |
| slaweq_ | better? | 16:36 |
| slaweq_ | :) | 16:36 |
| ihar | yes sir | 16:37 |
| slaweq_ | ok :) | 16:37 |
| slaweq_ | so, moving on? | 16:38 |
| mlavalle | yes | 16:38 |
| slaweq_ | #topic Rally | 16:38 |
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| slaweq_ | as from grafana it looks that rally is fine now | 16:38 |
| slaweq_ | so I think that we don't need to talk about it too much :) | 16:39 |
| slaweq_ | at least You have something to add here | 16:39 |
| ihar | there was an email from rally folks about openstack plugin being spun off rally. shouldn't affect us but worth being aware. | 16:39 |
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| ihar | apparently rally is more than openstack :) | 16:40 |
| slaweq_ | thx ihar | 16:40 |
| mlavalle | good to know | 16:41 |
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| slaweq_ | ok, so can we move to next topic then? | 16:42 |
| mlavalle | I'd say so | 16:42 |
| ihar | YES | 16:42 |
| slaweq_ | #topic Periodic | 16:42 |
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| slaweq_ | here I just wanted to mention that it looks fine currently | 16:42 |
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| slaweq_ | looks that yamahata's fix works fine :) | 16:43 |
| slaweq_ | thx once again yamahata | 16:43 |
| yamahata | :) | 16:43 |
| slaweq_ | and the last topic is | 16:44 |
| slaweq_ | #topic Gate | 16:44 |
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| slaweq_ | here I also don't have anything to talk for today - except this tempest job which ihar mentioned before it looks good IMO | 16:45 |
| slaweq_ | do You want to talk anything here? | 16:45 |
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| slaweq_ | or do You anything else to talk about today? | 16:46 |
| ihar | I don't. I think if the chair believes there is nothing to cover we can as well skip sections and leave the rest for open discussion | 16:46 |
| slaweq_ | #topic Open Discussion | 16:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:47 | |
| slaweq_ | so do You want to talk about something else related to CI? | 16:47 |
| jlibosva | I don't have anything | 16:47 |
| ihar | I have nothing | 16:48 |
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| slaweq_ | mlavalle: ? | 16:48 |
| mlavalle | nope | 16:48 |
| slaweq_ | ok, so thank You | 16:48 |
| jlibosva | 11 minutes back, yay :) | 16:48 |
| slaweq_ | and enjoy Your free 11 minutes :) | 16:48 |
| slaweq_ | #endmeeting | 16:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:49 | |
| mlavalle | good job slaweq_ | 16:49 |
| jlibosva | thanks, bye | 16:49 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 17 16:49:00 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2018/neutron_ci.2018-04-17-16.00.html | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2018/neutron_ci.2018-04-17-16.00.txt | 16:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2018/neutron_ci.2018-04-17-16.00.log.html | 16:49 |
| slaweq_ | bye | 16:49 |
| mlavalle | CI seems to be under control. Thanks for your hard work | 16:49 |
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| clarkb | hello anyone here for the infra meeting? | 19:00 |
| clarkb | looks like someone fixed the topic | 19:00 |
| fungi | ehlo | 19:00 |
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| clarkb | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 17 19:01:19 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| ianw | morning! | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| clarkb | I don't have any | 19:02 |
| corvus | that's one | 19:02 |
| clarkb | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| clarkb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-04-10-19.01.txt minutes from last meeting | 19:03 |
| clarkb | There were no officially recorded #actions but mordred and pabelanger were palnning to update some specs | 19:03 |
| clarkb | I know mordred didn't get to it I think combination of pip and meetings and dib updates meant that many of us were distracted by the fire of the day | 19:04 |
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| clarkb | but we can talk about that more during priority efforts | 19:04 |
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| ianw | i was going to write a third-party spec, but yeah, have been pip-ing and dib-ing | 19:04 |
| clarkb | #topic Specs approval | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs approval (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:05 | |
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| clarkb | Similarly I havne't even looked at the specs repo for other specs recently | 19:05 |
| corvus | omg, pip and dib are typographic vertical mirror images | 19:05 |
| corvus | [sorry] | 19:05 |
| fungi | everyone's been pipping the dibs and dibbing the pips so far this week | 19:05 |
| clarkb | anyone have a spec they want to call out for review before we move on? | 19:05 |
| clarkb | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:06 | |
| clarkb | Good news is I hear fungi fixed storyboard bug updates via gerrit its plugin magic | 19:07 |
| clarkb | #topic Storybaord | 19:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Storybaord (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:07 | |
| clarkb | I'm leaving the typio | 19:07 |
| fungi | yeah, seems like the implicit configuration piggybacking on commentlinks stopped working for some reason | 19:07 |
| fungi | docs say it was deprecated but it just flat out stopped being considered i think | 19:08 |
| fungi | once i was able to translate the docs into human, i figured out the explicit config for it | 19:08 |
| fungi | anyway, as of the production gerrit restart on saturday it's working agani | 19:08 |
| clarkb | fungi: was that the only known issue between gerrit and storyboard? the other behavior is working as expected? | 19:09 |
| fungi | yep | 19:09 |
| corvus | oh, so it's not tied to commentlinks now, it's an explicit option? | 19:09 |
| fungi | right | 19:09 |
| corvus | cool. that sounds like an improvement :) | 19:09 |
| fungi | and now that i see how to interpret the plugin documentation, there are some other behaviors we could turn on if we want | 19:09 |
| fungi | #link https://gerrit.googlesource.com/plugins/its-storyboard/ its-storyboard configuration docs | 19:10 |
| fungi | #undo | 19:11 |
| fungi | #link https://gerrit.googlesource.com/plugins/its-storyboard/+/stable-2.13/src/main/resources/Documentation/quick-install-guide.md#its_connection_its_connectionconnection-configuration its-storyboard configuration docs | 19:12 |
| fungi | anyway, that's all there is to say about that, i think | 19:13 |
| clarkb | any other storyboard updates? looks like migrations are proceeding and that was a blocker for some projects iirc so yay | 19:13 |
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| fungi | right, openstackclient and openstacksdk migrated last week | 19:13 |
| fungi | as did the tripleo validations subteam | 19:13 |
| fungi | tripleo is struggling to figure out how their task tracking workflows (which previously involved considering tripleo one giant fluid project on lp_ maps to per-repository task tracking in storyboard | 19:14 |
| fungi | i was going to start tinkering with search engine indexability next, but mordred pointed out that the angularjs upgrade he's working on comes with a feature to do that automagically | 19:15 |
| clarkb | fungi: interesting the js gives bots what they need to index properly? | 19:15 |
| fungi | server-side javascript client that prerenders page content | 19:15 |
| clarkb | huh | 19:16 |
| fungi | something called "universal pages" | 19:16 |
| fungi | #link https://universal.angular.io// Server-side rendered javascript | 19:17 |
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| frickler | we may need to look at performance some time, https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/list?status=active&tags=blocking-storyboard-migration just took like 40 seconds to load for me | 19:17 |
| fungi | yeah, a few people have noted that storytag-based queries are starting to take forever | 19:17 |
| fungi | i have a feeling there's an inefficient db operation there somewhere | 19:18 |
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| clarkb | ok anything else before we move on? | 19:19 |
| fungi | profilnig that is probably a little beyond my skillset though | 19:19 |
| fungi | er, profiling | 19:19 |
| fungi | nope, nothing from me at least | 19:19 |
| clarkb | #topic Modernizing Config Management | 19:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Modernizing Config Management (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:19 | |
| * cmurphy lurks | 19:20 | |
| clarkb | I'm sort of operating under the assumption that this will be the next priority effort. Whether that is puppet4/5 or ansible or mordred's to be written use containers spec | 19:20 |
| clarkb | given the rate of fires showing up over the last week I don't think we've really had any time to write down the thoughts on this in order to compare them directly | 19:20 |
| clarkb | I'd like to shoot for next week but depending on how pip 10 related stuff goes I can see that being difficult too :/ | 19:20 |
| fungi | maybe we can switch to pip-based configuration | 19:20 |
| clarkb | but if you are involved with one of the proposals updating the existing specs would be helpful so that we can compare them directly with up to date info across the board | 19:21 |
| cmurphy | i've started finishing up the last bits of http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/puppet_4_prelim_testing.html | 19:21 |
| clarkb | I don't really want to have a dig in conversation on this stuff until we have that information available (and hopefully everyone can read through it at least once before we do the major considering) | 19:22 |
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| clarkb | cmurphy: cool, do we need a next step spec for an actual migration plan that we can compare to the others? | 19:22 |
| clarkb | "this is what a puppet4 migration looks like in infra" type of doc | 19:22 |
| cmurphy | clarkb: yeah i started working on that a while ago https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449933/ | 19:23 |
| patchbot | patch 449933 - openstack-infra/infra-specs - Rename and expand Puppet 4 Preliminary Testing | 19:23 |
| cmurphy | and then decided to aim lower first | 19:23 |
| cmurphy | and then got very very distracted | 19:23 |
| clarkb | cmurphy: cool, probably want to make sure that is up to date if anything has changed. Let me know if you need someone else to do that | 19:23 |
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| cmurphy | clarkb: sure, will prioritize it this week | 19:24 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: mordred: like I said not surprised that fires and other obligations kept people away from updating specs. Let me know if you need help or otherwise ENOTIME | 19:24 |
| clarkb | I'd like to keep moving so that we have time to talk about some of those fires and just do a quick sanity check on where we are at on them | 19:25 |
| clarkb | #topic General Topics | 19:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General Topics (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:25 | |
| clarkb | we'll start with frickler's question about advertising irc highlights for infra folks | 19:26 |
| clarkb | one suggestion is to put it in the topic which isn't a bad idea since its close to where peolpe would be expected to use the highlights | 19:26 |
| frickler | I just wanted some feedback on whether folks want that or rather want to stay more hidden | 19:26 |
| clarkb | I just worry the topic is quite full already | 19:26 |
| corvus | 19:27 -!- Topic for #openstack-infra: Discussion of OpenStack Developer and Community Infrastructure | docs http://docs.openstack.org/infra/ | bugs https://storyboard.openstack.org/ | source | 19:27 |
| corvus | https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/ | channel logs http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/ | 19:27 |
| frickler | how to place it into the topic would be a seperate question | 19:27 |
| corvus | for reference ^ | 19:27 |
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| frickler | or maybe where else to document it | 19:27 |
| ianw | do we really miss that many questions coming along in #openstack-infra? infra-root, etc certainly calls attention for people who know it, but not sure people are not getting help without it | 19:28 |
| frickler | maybe a mention in the top yellow box on https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/ would be enough, too | 19:28 |
| corvus | ianw: agreed | 19:28 |
| corvus | frickler: or https://docs.openstack.org/infra/ ? | 19:29 |
| corvus | or both :) | 19:29 |
| fungi | i don't always read scrollback, but when i do i try to follow up with people</dos equis commercial> | 19:29 |
| frickler | ianw: not miss them, but certainly my responses may be delayed by an hour or more | 19:29 |
| corvus | that's the first link in the topic | 19:29 |
| clarkb | ya updating the docs seems like a good first step | 19:30 |
| corvus | we could put basically the same yellow box in both docs | 19:30 |
| clarkb | the docs are linked in the topic so if follwoing from topic to docs you hopefully find it | 19:30 |
| frickler | o.k., I can propose a patch for that | 19:30 |
| frickler | and with that I'd be o.k. to continue, when I added the topic, there wasn't much else listed | 19:31 |
| clarkb | sounds like a plan then, thanks | 19:31 |
| frickler | but now we have other topics to handle I guess | 19:31 |
| fungi | people wait until the last minute to add topics | 19:31 |
| * fungi is part of the problem | 19:31 | |
| clarkb | also fires | 19:32 |
| clarkb | The next item on the list was reorganizing the openstack-ci storyboard group to drop zuul specific projects and move them into a zuul specific group (from fungi) | 19:32 |
| fungi | this should be real fast | 19:32 |
| fungi | i asked in #zuul and there seemed to be some interest in putting the zuul family of repositories in a zuul project group for ease of overview | 19:32 |
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| corvus | i'm +1 on creating/adding them to zuul group. i'm +/-0 on removing them from openstack-ci | 19:33 |
| fungi | just trying to figure out whether i should drop any or possibly all of them from the openstack-ci project group (we may also want to rename that at some point?) | 19:33 |
| corvus | maybe +0 | 19:33 |
| fungi | for example, zone_zuul-ci.org maybe ought to appear in both project groups | 19:33 |
| clarkb | I think I'm leaning towards the change if only to make it a little more clear there is a distinction now | 19:33 |
| clarkb | and there are different groups responsible for each (even if membership overlaps) | 19:33 |
| fungi | i honestly don't know how many people rely on sb project grouping anyway | 19:34 |
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| clarkb | fungi: maybe not in sb directly but the projects.yaml file I think gets viewed in weird ways in places | 19:34 |
| clarkb | but I also don't think it is a major issue | 19:34 |
| fungi | keeping zuul-jobs in both project groups may also make sense, but e.g. zuul-base-jobs (which openstack's deployment doesn't use) probably is fine being only in the zuul project group | 19:34 |
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| clarkb | doesn't seem to be any strong opinions either way | 19:37 |
| fungi | okay, i'll take a stab at this under the impression that we can mostly move zuul repos to a new zuul project group but that there are a handful of repos we might want to stick in both for convenience | 19:37 |
| fungi | and with that i have nothing else on this topic | 19:37 |
| clarkb | onward! | 19:37 |
| clarkb | Pip 10 released over the weekend | 19:37 |
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| clarkb | as expected this created problems for a non zero number of jobs. In some cases pip has been pinned to version 9 to get around this in others we've worked to accomodate the new version behaviors | 19:38 |
| clarkb | Bring this up because i think we need to be careful where we pin pip | 19:38 |
| fungi | in some cases pip has also inadvertently been pinned as a side effect of image generation problems and pauses | 19:38 |
| clarkb | its ok if openstack specifically wants to pin pip but places that we produce code or artifacts that are consumed outside of openstack likely shouldn't rely on that | 19:39 |
| fungi | but yes, capping pip should in general be viewed as a sad compromise we need to unwind as early as we can | 19:39 |
| clarkb | zuul-jobs and dib in particular are places were I think we need to be careful to roll forward and continue to function rather than pinning pip | 19:39 |
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| ianw | from devstack pov, i think the main job is pip10 safe, but i need to look into some sadness in the "platform" (!xenial) jobs -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/561597/ | 19:39 |
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| clarkb | I've not gone looking too hard yet but on the infra side of things we should probably dig through puppet logs and see if we have any failures related to this as well | 19:41 |
| corvus | ianw: do we not need a venv fix for devstack? | 19:41 |
| fungi | curious how we're dealing with, e.g., the python-psutil ubuntu package not being uninstallable by pip | 19:41 |
| fungi | in devstack context i mean | 19:41 |
| clarkb | right now aiui we are relying on pip pins | 19:42 |
| ianw | corvus: i don't think we *need* it ... that's not to say it is not a good idea | 19:42 |
| ianw | fungi: so in that package's case, we don't actually need that package installed | 19:42 |
| frickler | fyi I tried to list all the qa + infra issues here | 19:42 |
| frickler | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pip10-mitigation | 19:42 |
| fungi | ianw: great news ;) | 19:42 |
| corvus | i thought clarkb showed us that pip10 requires a venv. but ianw jut linked to a change which lifts the pin and the only failing jobs are "platform" jobs | 19:43 |
| corvus | so i'm missing something :) | 19:43 |
| clarkb | corvus: ianw in the general case we can't control what distros package with (distutils or not) or what python system packages other packages we need will depend on | 19:43 |
| fungi | corvus: _if_ we can avoid preinstalling any python libraries via distro packages that have been built with distutils (some are built with setuptools instead) then pip 10 is able to "upgrade" from those fine | 19:43 |
| frickler | corvus: note that this currently checked only the plain devstack job. things may still be failing for specific projects like glance | 19:43 |
| clarkb | so there may be specific scenarios where we can set things up such that they work | 19:44 |
| clarkb | but others they don't | 19:44 |
| ianw | clarkb: ++ yes, it's whack-a-mole fix each issue | 19:44 |
| clarkb | one particular concern of mine is that our images use glean and not cloud init so avoid a large amount of system python that many other users will have | 19:44 |
| corvus | i'm still missing what changed between clarkb's pip10 failure and ianw's pip10 success | 19:44 |
| clarkb | so we can test on our images and say "it works. not a bug" but no one else will be able to run it sort of situation | 19:44 |
| fungi | corvus: so it's mainly an intersection of specific distro packages built on distutils and specific python packages we want to pip upgrade (primarily due to constraints version specifications) | 19:44 |
| clarkb | corvus: I'm guessing they removed python-psutil from the installation list since ianw says it isn't required | 19:45 |
| frickler | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/561426/ | 19:45 |
| fungi | corvus: ianw is saying the workaround for the python-psutil failure was to stop preinstalling the distro-packaged python-psutil (if i understood correctly) | 19:45 |
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| ianw | fungi / corvus: yes -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/561426/ | 19:45 |
| corvus | frickler: ah, and that's a dep of 561597 | 19:45 |
| corvus | got it | 19:46 |
| corvus | so that fixes the current problem, clarkb's venv solution still may be better long-term because of the points he just raised | 19:46 |
| clarkb | corvus: right | 19:46 |
| clarkb | however switching to venvs is likely also to be whack-a-mole of fixing random assumptions made in plugins and so on | 19:46 |
| corvus | cool... can we pretend i'm not devstack-core for a second and tell me what a 'devstack-platform' job is? | 19:46 |
| fungi | right, however we can manage to stop mixing distro package managers and pip is going to be more future-proof, i imagine | 19:46 |
| clarkb | I've already had to address some of that in ironic with grenade | 19:46 |
| ianw | corvus: "platform" is just what i've called !xenial-based jobs | 19:47 |
| ianw | centos/suse/fedora | 19:47 |
| corvus | ianw: so they may have other random python packages installed (a la what clarkb was saying earlier) | 19:47 |
| ianw | corvus: that was the sentiment rougly expressed in http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129384.html too | 19:47 |
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| clarkb | corvus: yup and because the packagers are different they may use distutils on cetnos where ubuntu uses setuptools | 19:48 |
| clarkb | and vice versa | 19:48 |
| corvus | okay, i think i grok | 19:48 |
| ianw | corvus: yes, and so as a first approach small hacks, such as possibly manually removing a .egg-info file so pip continues to do what it was doing before, might work best | 19:48 |
| clarkb | I actually looked at the debian psutil package to see what sort of effort would be required to start untangling this at a distro level and I think it would not be easy | 19:49 |
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| clarkb | it is very package specific | 19:49 |
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| ianw | clarkb: yeah, in some cases i've had packagers add the flag that writes the manifest file out and it's all good ... let me find that bug | 19:50 |
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| clarkb | I do think we are making reasonable progress. Its just a lot of situation specific cases of determining what the best way forward is | 19:50 |
| fungi | some distros have switched most of their packages to use something akin to 'pip install .' | 19:50 |
| clarkb | and trying to avoid getting cornered into needing pip9 long term | 19:50 |
| fungi | as opposed to the problematic 'setup.py install' | 19:51 |
| ianw | clarkb: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1255206 for reference | 19:51 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1255206 in python-cffi "Consider adding installed-files.txt during build" [Unspecified,Closed: errata] - Assigned to ppicka | 19:51 |
| clarkb | Briefly before we run out of time I also wanted to follow up on the xenial initramfs situation since it is related | 19:52 |
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| clarkb | Our xenial images are continuing to use global pip 9 on boot because we aren't able to build working xenial images that have pip 10 due to initramfs changes that prevent xenial from booting on rax and I guess other clouds | 19:52 |
| clarkb | So be prepared for potential new set of failures as soon as that gets fixed and we upload new xenial iamges | 19:53 |
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| clarkb | ianw: pabelanger: sounds like you have it largely under control as far as debugging goes? | 19:53 |
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| ianw | clarkb: that might be a little strong :) | 19:54 |
| fungi | though worth noting, we got tox-based jobs in general working with pip 10 according to my ad hoc tests upgrading pip before invoking the rest of the job | 19:54 |
| clarkb | ianw: well at least we've identified the probable source of the problem now ot identify why it broke it :) | 19:54 |
| fungi | clarkb fixed the one known issue there (where tox-siblings relied on pip internals) | 19:54 |
| clarkb | ianw: lsinitramfs was where I ended up before needing to do meeting things (and comparing the output across builds) | 19:54 |
| ianw | but i think we are narrowing down ... | 19:54 |
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| clarkb | #topic Open Discussion | 19:55 |
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| clarkb | Before we run out of time anything else? | 19:55 |
| ianw | clarkb: cool, yeah i thought i compared the initramfs's yesterday, but now i'm not sure if was comparing apples and oranges with the versions i grabbed. confirmation on that will be good | 19:55 |
| clarkb | I'm visiting the dentist tomorrow at 1900UTC so will be out and about for that | 19:55 |
| fungi | i'm out all thursday | 19:56 |
| frickler | just mentioning that patchbot is an effort by notmyname. noticed it in #swift earlier and said I liked it | 19:56 |
| frickler | admittedly might need further discussion where to run it, thought | 19:56 |
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| clarkb | I think there was concern about its chattyness at one time? I tend to just smartfilter things out in weechat if I need to | 19:57 |
| fungi | yeah, it keeps finding its way back onto the meeting channels. project-specific channels who have some consensus in favor are of course free to have whatever bots they want join their channels | 19:58 |
| corvus | i think bots that run in official channels should be driven through the community maintained infrastructure | 19:58 |
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| clarkb | ya its nice to not lose features if someone can't keep running a bot for example | 19:59 |
| fungi | that i agree with | 19:59 |
| clarkb | and we are at time | 20:00 |
| clarkb | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 17 20:00:08 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-04-17-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-04-17-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-04-17-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
| clarkb | thank you everyone | 20:00 |
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| notmyname | fungi: clarkb: frickler: FWIW, patchbot was rewritten and is more stable and easier to manage now. doesn't lurk in meeting channels (mostly, but even if I forget to /part it, it's not as chatty) | 20:26 |
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| notmyname | https://github.com/notmyname/Patches2 | 20:31 |
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| oneswig | avast! | 21:00 |
| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 17 21:00:26 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 21:00 |
| trandles | hello | 21:00 |
| oneswig | #link agenda for today - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_April_17th_2018 | 21:00 |
| oneswig | greetings trandles | 21:00 |
| oneswig | see my mail? | 21:01 |
| trandles | just now, thx | 21:01 |
| trandles | I'll give it a read and provide feedback ASAP (after this meeting of course ;) ) | 21:01 |
| oneswig | excellent! Michael did a great job last week | 21:01 |
| oneswig | I saw you've got some contributions from the Sanger Centre in the UK - are they active users? | 21:02 |
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| trandles | Yeah, I think Sanger is (Matthew Vernon perhaps?) | 21:03 |
| oneswig | I liked your paper from FOSDEM, very useful and informative. | 21:03 |
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| oneswig | How was the conference? | 21:03 |
| trandles | Oh, that's the paper from SC17 btw, I didn't realize FOSDEM republished it | 21:03 |
| martial | sorry I am late | 21:03 |
| oneswig | Hey martial, no problem! | 21:03 |
| oneswig | #chair martial | 21:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial oneswig | 21:03 |
| trandles | Wish I could have attended FOSDEM but alas... | 21:03 |
| oneswig | It's just us and trandles currently | 21:04 |
| oneswig | trandles: was Charliecloud presented by Reid at FOSDEM, or nobody? | 21:04 |
| martial | that's cool | 21:04 |
| trandles | nobody that I know of | 21:04 |
| trandles | I just sent Reid the FOSDEM link | 21:04 |
| martial | Tim, do you know if Bob and Mike are going to SC18 or OpenStack summit Berlin? | 21:05 |
| trandles | I do not know | 21:05 |
| trandles | I think that's up in the air at the moment | 21:05 |
| martial | I will reach out to them, and offer to redo the OpenStack BoF | 21:05 |
| martial | for SC18 | 21:06 |
| oneswig | I'd be going to Berlin OpenStack instead of SC18 | 21:06 |
| trandles | oneswig: It looks like someone named Georg Rath gave a scientific containers overview and provided several papers | 21:06 |
| trandles | https://fosdem.org/2018/schedule/event/containers_scientific/ | 21:06 |
| martial | it is very unfortunate that both are exactly at the same time | 21:06 |
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| trandles | I'm much rather go to Berlin but I have other program requirements for attending SC18 :( | 21:06 |
| oneswig | trandles: handy link, thanks - I'll compare notes! | 21:07 |
| trandles | martial: is it ok if I send you something small via USPS for you to take to Vancouver on my behalf? | 21:07 |
| martial | yes of course | 21:07 |
| martial | I will send you my address | 21:08 |
| trandles | cool, thx | 21:08 |
| oneswig | trandles: got some interest over here in the boot-to-ramdisk idea. | 21:09 |
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| trandles | the more the merrier | 21:09 |
| oneswig | One of the team is looking at ways of updating the RAID controller firmware - it's boot-to-ramdisk or boot-from-volume | 21:09 |
| trandles | I have to admit to having a tab opened to the storybook entry and another to the ironic spec wiki page and I haven't had a chance to actually work on it yet | 21:09 |
| oneswig | No problem. I'm on a train tomorrow & thursday - I could get a first draft up if you're snowed under. | 21:10 |
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| martial | snowed? | 21:11 |
| trandles | is there an easy way to collaborate on the spec? Maybe once it's been submitted? | 21:11 |
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| oneswig | Absolutely - you commit, I commit, it's tennis... | 21:12 |
| martial | Since we have little people, this will have less impact (will post it on the forum/ML too), but Bob asked me to share: Workshop on Container-based systems for Big data, Distributed and Parallel computing (CBDP’2018) https://sites.google.com/view/cbdp18/home Co-located with Euro-Par 2018 http://europar2018.org August 27-28 2018, Torino, Italy | 21:12 |
| oneswig | trandles: the main thing is to keep amending the same commit (and making sure we don't tread on each others toes) | 21:12 |
| oneswig | martial: looks interesting | 21:12 |
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| oneswig | Turin is a lovely setting :-) | 21:13 |
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| trandles | Another trip I wish I could take. Lucy and I are heading to Singapore and Thailand for two weeks, departing September 3, so Turin the week before is out. | 21:14 |
| martial | unless you leave from Italy :) | 21:14 |
| oneswig | Some people have all the fun. | 21:14 |
| trandles | So, oneswig, what do you have in the way of HPCAC round-up other than the container write-up? | 21:15 |
| oneswig | I think I'll be camping that weekend :-) | 21:15 |
| oneswig | Another good year for the conference | 21:15 |
| oneswig | Plenty of focus this year on containerisation (hence the writeup) | 21:16 |
| oneswig | #link http://www.stackhpc.com/the-state-of-hpc-containers.html | 21:16 |
| oneswig | But a couple of interesting talks on storage and AI as well. | 21:16 |
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| martial | pretty cool too | 21:17 |
| oneswig | There's a huge focus on applying HPC techniques to AI, a study published by Baidu in particular seems to attract a lot of one-upmanship | 21:17 |
| oneswig | A new form factor for NVMe was described - the "ruler" - up to 32 TB on something that looks like (you guessed it) a ruler | 21:18 |
| oneswig | it takes up 4x PCIe lanes. An AMD EPYC has 128 PCIe lanes => up to 1PB of NVMe in 1U (but no PCIe left for high-speed networking...) | 21:18 |
| priteau | A new blog post from oneswig, nice! | 21:19 |
| priteau | Hi everyone | 21:19 |
| oneswig | There was another interesting talk on high-density compute for exascale - liquid cooled | 21:19 |
| trandles | Is RDMA to NVMe available in virtual machines? Do any hypervisors support it? | 21:20 |
| oneswig | Hi priteau, welcome! Yep that's what I've been working on the last couple of days :-) | 21:20 |
| martial | Hey Pierre, welcome :) | 21:20 |
| priteau | I will read it tomorrow while drinking my morning coffee ;-) | 21:21 |
| oneswig | trandles: depends on what level the nvme is exposed. I'd do it through an SR-IOV RDMA NIC in the instance. The alternative would be NVME-over-fabrics into the hypervisor then p155ed up the wall by QEMU | 21:21 |
| priteau | Sorry I can't stay longer for this meeting, but will read the logs | 21:21 |
| oneswig | The issue with the former approach would be exposing a storage network to tenants (potentially) | 21:21 |
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| trandles | yeah...but it makes me think you could provide burst buffer-like capabilities to VM-based applications | 21:22 |
| oneswig | There's a huge, huge potential being opened up around that. | 21:22 |
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| oneswig | trandles: what's the news on OpenHPC & Charliecloud? I looked and saw the PR but there's nothing in the package repos yet | 21:24 |
| trandles | it's another barrier being knocked down to HPC scale cloud-based scientific workloads | 21:24 |
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| trandles | So there was a review today for Charliecloud inclusion in OpenHPC | 21:24 |
| trandles | I had been told, erroneously, that it was already approved. | 21:24 |
| trandles | The review surfaced some questions. Reid and Michael participated on the call and I haven't had a chance to debrief them | 21:25 |
| oneswig | Ah - so not just yet? | 21:25 |
| trandles | The 20 second summary is that they think it's a go, but the issue hasn't been updated one way or the other in git | 21:26 |
| oneswig | The user namespace stuff seems to be a concern, in that exposes new kernel code paths for probing from unprivileged users. What's the view on that - are the low-hanging issues all found and fixed to LANL's satisfaction? | 21:27 |
| trandles | We believe so. | 21:27 |
| trandles | we do mitigate some things | 21:27 |
| trandles | a lot of the recent CVE's around user namespace haven't been with user namespace itself, but user namespace made it easier to attack another vulnerability | 21:28 |
| trandles | so we disable namespaces not required for Charliecloud (i.e. everything but user and mount) | 21:28 |
| oneswig | Makes good sense but perhaps not for the general use case (or OpenHPC)? | 21:29 |
| trandles | the biggest one being network...but network is useless for our unprivileged use case because you still need real root privs to add the required network interface to the namespace to make it usable | 21:29 |
| trandles | you can't disable namespaces on the Cray kernel btw... | 21:30 |
| oneswig | Right - I saw that - unprivileged containers work for this use case but not for most others | 21:30 |
| oneswig | Cray let you rebuild the CLE kernel?? | 21:30 |
| trandles | no, don't have to | 21:30 |
| trandles | they're shipping 4.4 | 21:31 |
| oneswig | Ah OK - so this isn't about unsetting CONFIG_*_NS then? | 21:31 |
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| trandles | we'd have to recompile and do that, unset the NS stuff, or get rid of the unshare system call, patch clone, etc... | 21:32 |
| trandles | namespaces are pretty deeply embedded in the 4.+ kernel | 21:32 |
| oneswig | Well you wouldn't want a half measure | 21:33 |
| trandles | the RHEL-based and upstream (in 4.something...) kernels include a /proc/ interface for specifying the allowed number of each namespace | 21:33 |
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| oneswig | Was there something about nested depth as well? | 21:34 |
| trandles | not sure about that one | 21:35 |
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| trandles | look in /proc/sys/user/ btw... | 21:35 |
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| oneswig | trandles: I'm on a mac | 21:35 |
| oneswig | :-) | 21:35 |
| trandles | when you get the chance ;) | 21:35 |
| jmlowe | whew, finally caught one here after the change to daylight savings | 21:36 |
| oneswig | Does OpenHPC already package either Shifter or Singularity? | 21:36 |
| oneswig | Hi jmlowe | 21:36 |
| trandles | Singularity is in OpenHPC AFAIK | 21:36 |
| trandles | Hi Mike | 21:36 |
| jmlowe | Hello! | 21:36 |
| martial | hey Mike, welcome ;) | 21:37 |
| oneswig | There was a question earlier - are you planning on attending either SC2018 or OpenStack Berlin? | 21:37 |
| martial | (yep that was me) | 21:37 |
| jmlowe | breaks my heart but I don't see how I can justify Berlin over SC18 | 21:38 |
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| martial | want to have a redo of the OpenStack BoF? | 21:39 |
| martial | (at SC18?) | 21:39 |
| trandles | One last comment on user namespaces. We took our unprivileged approach because we didn't want to wade into the privilege escalation/de-escalation morass. We rely on the kernel for security, which we already do implicitly. | 21:39 |
| jmlowe | Sure | 21:39 |
| martial | jmlowe: do you know if Bob is going to SC18 too? | 21:39 |
| oneswig | trandles: I'm with you on that. | 21:39 |
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| martial | trandles: Met with Ms Lovett last week at the Docker Federal summit | 21:41 |
| trandles | oh good | 21:41 |
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| trandles | yeah, that's another thing that's maybe not widely known yet, but some of us (LANL, NERSC, CSCS) have been talking with Docker since SC17. We want them to take Charliecloud and Shifter and consider them reference implementations of acceptable HPC container runtimes. | 21:42 |
| martial | she spoke about that, and your help. They have made a lot of progress I am told. I have to follow up with her, I would love her to do a couple presentations with us | 21:43 |
| oneswig | Seems wise to work from a common ecosystem, specialised where necessary | 21:43 |
| martial | not ready to announce at DockerCon in June (I will be there) | 21:44 |
| trandles | We'd much rather go to a vendor-supported solution in the long term. | 21:44 |
| martial | I think she would be happy/interested to talk about their progress too | 21:45 |
| trandles | I'm hoping to meet with her in May when I'm out in the Bay Area for other meetings. | 21:45 |
| martial | she is in DC | 21:45 |
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| trandles | Hrm, Christian said he thought she'd be out west when I am. I need to email them. ;) | 21:46 |
| martial | am sure if you are in the area she can be around | 21:47 |
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| martial | Stig, should I ask her if she want to present to our group? | 21:49 |
| martial | after all if the tech is builtin :) | 21:49 |
| oneswig | Seems like a good idea to me - but perhaps when they have something concrete to discuss? | 21:49 |
| martial | that's cool :) | 21:50 |
| oneswig | A common runtime that meets these requirements (and scales to the simultaneous launch of 10,000 instances) would be excellent. | 21:51 |
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| oneswig | trandles: on that note, have you looked at CRI-O or similar? | 21:51 |
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| trandles | Michael has been looking at CRI-O, but I can't speak to where he's at in that effort. | 21:52 |
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| oneswig | He mentioned something left-field - bproc was it? | 21:52 |
| trandles | that I don't konw | 21:52 |
| trandles | *know | 21:52 |
| oneswig | I may have misheard him | 21:53 |
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| oneswig | Time is creeping up on us, was there more to cover? (checks the agenda...) | 21:54 |
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| oneswig | I'm not sure there is. I think the action is on martial to submit a BoF for SC2018, correct? | 21:55 |
| oneswig | And trandles and I will work on a spec for boot-to-ramdisk | 21:56 |
| trandles | I promise | 21:56 |
| oneswig | As do I :-) | 21:56 |
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| martial | yes Sir | 21:57 |
| oneswig | excellent :-) | 21:57 |
| trandles | martial: if you send me your mailing address I'd appreciate it :) | 21:57 |
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| martial | Tim, yes am going to do that now :) | 21:58 |
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| martial | done | 21:59 |
| oneswig | Anyone else see this? https://insidehpc.com/2018/04/accelerating-ceph-rdma-nvme/ | 21:59 |
| oneswig | Bizarrely, iWARP based | 22:00 |
| oneswig | OK, time is upon us | 22:00 |
| trandles | I had not, thanks for the pointer | 22:00 |
| oneswig | going going... | 22:00 |
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| martial | ohhh really interesting | 22:00 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 17 22:00:49 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-04-17-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-04-17-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-04-17-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
| martial | cool, thanks everybody :) | 22:00 |
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| oneswig | Thank you, until next time... | 22:01 |
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