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| zhiyuan | hi | 00:58 |
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| song | hi | 00:58 |
| Yipei | hi | 00:59 |
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| zhiyuan | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 11 01:00:18 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhiyuan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 01:00 |
| AndroUser | hi | 01:00 |
| song | welcome | 01:00 |
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| zhiyuan | hello, AndroUser | 01:01 |
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| zhiyuan | Yipei, how's the investigation about routed network? is it possible to attach a router to it in central neutron? | 01:02 |
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| xuzhuang | sorry for late | 01:03 |
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| zhiyuan | xuzhuang, it's fine | 01:03 |
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| Yipei | i think maybe we need to add a gateway port to the routed network, but we do not allocate IP to the port | 01:05 |
| zhiyuan | so when user queries the router, he/she will see a gateway port without IP? | 01:06 |
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| Yipei | not test yet. if the port do not have an IP, i can get the info by cli | 01:11 |
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| zhiyuan | floating ip allocation will be another problem. I guess routed network also doesn't support allocation a floating ip from it | 01:12 |
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| Yipei | the field of ip_allocation is deferred. I can test it this week | 01:13 |
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| zhiyuan | one question, when booting a VM in a routed network, what kind of port will be created? | 01:14 |
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| zhiyuan | a port with IP in both segment? | 01:14 |
| Yipei | just a port without IP | 01:14 |
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| Yipei | the IP will be allocated based on the placement of the vm | 01:14 |
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| zhiyuan | so after the placement of the VM, nova updates the ip of the port? | 01:15 |
| Yipei | it is allocated by the dhcp agent in the compute node | 01:15 |
| zhiyuan | then at least the port should belong to a subnet | 01:16 |
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| Yipei | no, when the port is created, it does not belong to any subnet, it just belong to the routed network | 01:17 |
| Yipei | if the port is plugged to a vm, then the port is allocated to a subent | 01:18 |
| Yipei | s/subent/subnet | 01:18 |
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| zhiyuan | and from API, the port is still without IP after VM booted? | 01:19 |
| Yipei | yes | 01:19 |
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| Yipei | sorry, not | 01:19 |
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| Yipei | after vm booted, an IP will be allocated | 01:19 |
| zhiyuan | so I think nova tells neutron which segment to allocate IP | 01:20 |
| Yipei | yes | 01:23 |
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| zhiyuan | so after xmanager finishes the local router setup, we can get both the gateway IP, the question is where to store these IPs so user can query via the central gateway port | 01:29 |
| zhiyuan | if I am correct, port can only contain IPv4 and IPv6 address, not several IPv4 addresses | 01:30 |
| Yipei | yes, i know your concern. | 01:32 |
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| zhiyuan | is it hard to break such constraint for central gateway port? | 01:34 |
| zhiyuan | I guess we need to disable some validation in central plugin | 01:34 |
| Yipei | you mean we can add multiple IPs to a central gateway port? | 01:35 |
| zhiyuan | yes, since it's only a data container | 01:35 |
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| zhiyuan | or we put the IPs info in description?? | 01:35 |
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| Yipei | or tag? | 01:36 |
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| zhiyuan | tag is also fine | 01:36 |
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| Yipei | ok, so let's put the IPs info in tag? | 01:38 |
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| zhiyuan | will tag be showed by default when running "openstack port show"?\ | 01:40 |
| Yipei | yes, i tested | 01:40 |
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| Yipei | hold on | 01:40 |
| zhiyuan | ok | 01:40 |
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| Yipei | yes, tested | 01:41 |
| Yipei | tag is shown | 01:41 |
| zhiyuan | fine :) | 01:41 |
| zhiyuan | so floating ip follows the same way. when created, it's a port without ip, after the local FIP is created and bound to VM, we update the central FIP | 01:42 |
| zhiyuan | this time, we can directly update the IP, not via tag | 01:42 |
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| Yipei | ok | 01:44 |
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| zhiyuan | so much for new l3 model, other topic? | 01:45 |
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| song | Use top_name plus top_id to set the name of bottom resource | 01:45 |
| song | DB api reconstruction (to support different db access abstration tool, currently we are using SQLAlchemy) | 01:45 |
| song | Upgradable(RPC message, db), support OVO | 01:45 |
| song | Support different version of neutron API(different Region's Neutron may work in different version) compatibity | 01:45 |
| song | hi,zhiyuan. these fours works,which one do you think is the most import for us to do? | 01:45 |
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| zhiyuan | the first and the forth | 01:46 |
| song | thanks I will do the first one.:) | 01:47 |
| zhiyuan | that will make user easily to get the relation between central and local resource | 01:47 |
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| song | does it need a spec? or just write the code? | 01:48 |
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| zhiyuan | I think just code is fine | 01:49 |
| song | good | 01:49 |
| zhiyuan | if no other topic, let's end our meeting | 01:50 |
| song | no from me. | 01:50 |
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| Yipei | no from me | 01:50 |
| xuzhuang | no from me | 01:50 |
| zhiyuan | ok | 01:50 |
| zhiyuan | #endmeeting | 01:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 11 01:51:02 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-04-11-01.00.html | 01:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-04-11-01.00.txt | 01:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-04-11-01.00.log.html | 01:51 |
| zhiyuan | bye | 01:51 |
| xuzhuang | bye | 01:51 |
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| diablo_rojo | #startmeeting fc_sig | 08:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 11 08:04:25 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is diablo_rojo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 08:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fc_sig' | 08:04 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Sorry I'm late! | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo | distracted by youtube | 08:04 |
| gmann | o/ | 08:04 |
| mattoliverau | lol, well at least you weren't asleep | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, around? | 08:05 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, nope not sleeping yet | 08:05 |
| diablo_rojo | Surprisingly not that tired. | 08:05 |
| mattoliverau | I haven't seen her say morning on the internal Suse chat.. so maybe running late | 08:05 |
| diablo_rojo | We can give it another five minutes or so. | 08:05 |
| diablo_rojo | I'm in no rush. | 08:05 |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: sure, just make sure your next youtube vid is less then 5 mins :P | 08:06 |
| diablo_rojo | 4 min and 16 seconds | 08:06 |
| gmann | :) | 08:06 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/First_Contact_SIG#Meeting_Agenda Agenda for everyone's perusal :) | 08:08 |
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| diablo_rojo | Okay | 08:10 |
| diablo_rojo | Well I suppose we can get rolling | 08:10 |
| mattoliverau | kk | 08:10 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic New Contributor Patches! | 08:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New Contributor Patches! (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 08:10 | |
| diablo_rojo | Everyone do their homework? | 08:10 |
| diablo_rojo | I think we are actually making solid progress. | 08:11 |
| gmann | yea, i just finished review part 5 min ago | 08:11 |
| mattoliverau | kinda.. I looked. and opened the openstack ansible one.. but that's as far as I got today.. was a little busier then I expected | 08:11 |
| mattoliverau | gmann: nice work :) | 08:11 |
| diablo_rojo | I've just been keeping up with the new StoryBoard ones. | 08:11 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, nice :) | 08:11 |
| mattoliverau | So dunce hat for me this week then :) | 08:12 |
| gmann | managed to get one of the tempest patch in from new contributor who did not show up and fixed trivial things by myself. once he saw his patch merge then may be he come back :) | 08:12 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, demerit on this topic, but you'll get part of a gold star later for other things so it should balance out. | 08:12 |
| diablo_rojo | :) | 08:12 |
| mattoliverau | gmann: lol, now that they're a contributor :) | 08:12 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, that would be cool | 08:12 |
| gmann | yea :) | 08:12 |
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| mattoliverau | \o/ | 08:13 |
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| diablo_rojo | Anyone got anything else for this? | 08:13 |
| gmann | nothing from me. | 08:14 |
| mattoliverau | so whats the best way to ping a liason.. in channel or add them to the review.. or both? ;) | 08:14 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, I would say ping them directly | 08:14 |
| diablo_rojo | and maybe also add them as a reviewer after you ping them so they don't forget | 08:15 |
| mattoliverau | cool, was wondering if I could be lazy :P | 08:15 |
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| mattoliverau | that's all I have :) | 08:16 |
| diablo_rojo | Just how lazy did you want to be? :) | 08:16 |
| mattoliverau | I was just in a hurry today. And wondered.. but everyone should be in #openstack-dev so really a ping is easier as otherwise I have to look them up via gerrit | 08:17 |
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| * mattoliverau assumes they all would be with bouncers etc anyway | 08:18 | |
| diablo_rojo | Makes sense. A ping I think works well. | 08:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah that would be my assumption as well | 08:18 |
| diablo_rojo | For most people anyway | 08:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Next topic? | 08:18 |
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| mattoliverau | yup | 08:19 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic New Contributor of the Month | 08:19 |
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| diablo_rojo | So I was dragging my feet on this for two reasons | 08:19 |
| diablo_rojo | 1. I couldn't remember exactly where we decided to give this person attention (dev digest doesn't seem to be a thing here lately) | 08:20 |
| diablo_rojo | 2. Wanted to wait for her to get her first patch merged, but she hasn't had much time to get comments addressed. | 08:20 |
| diablo_rojo | So. Yeah. | 08:20 |
| mattoliverau | cool, fair enough. Wait for the merge | 08:20 |
| gmann | yea | 08:21 |
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| mattoliverau | as for 1. we should have a small blog post | 08:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Just the regular openstack blog? Like where the dev digest goes? | 08:21 |
| mattoliverau | that can happen as frequently or as infrequently as required. | 08:21 |
| mattoliverau | yeah. | 08:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Makes sense to me. | 08:21 |
| diablo_rojo | So that's all I had to say about that topic. | 08:22 |
| mattoliverau | if we can find a contributor every month.. great. we can call it "of the month" | 08:22 |
| gmann | yea, whenever we have its good to appraise | 08:22 |
| mattoliverau | otherwise, if it's only as frequent as we can. maybe we think of a different name | 08:22 |
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| diablo_rojo | Ha ha yeah or they can just be 'of the month' and then it can be 'of the month two months later' | 08:23 |
| mattoliverau | lol true | 08:23 |
| mattoliverau | we never said the cadence would be montly :P | 08:23 |
| mattoliverau | its just of the month :P | 08:23 |
| gmann | "Emerging contributors" :) | 08:23 |
| mattoliverau | ohh not bad | 08:24 |
| mattoliverau | hold on need to carry the toddler upstairs from her bath | 08:24 |
| mattoliverau | brb | 08:24 |
| diablo_rojo | That is a good one | 08:24 |
| diablo_rojo | Ha ha ha | 08:24 |
| gmann | :) mattoliverau hehe | 08:24 |
| diablo_rojo | I suppose we can move onto the next topic as there won't be much to say there either. | 08:25 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Ask.o.o | 08:25 |
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| gmann | yea | 08:25 |
| mattoliverau | back | 08:26 |
| diablo_rojo | Not seeing much new in the way of questions there | 08:26 |
| gmann | nothing new there in this week too. | 08:26 |
| gmann | yeah | 08:26 |
| mattoliverau | sorry, toddler was wet, stairs are slippery and wife is pregnant so can't pick her up. | 08:26 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, I didn't see anything new. | 08:27 |
| diablo_rojo | That sounds like a scary combo for any human let along a pregnant one. | 08:27 |
| mattoliverau | its true | 08:27 |
| diablo_rojo | One noteable thing on this topic was that Jimmy (at the foundation) was asking about getting help watch it and was pleased when I told him we were. | 08:27 |
| gmann | i just answered the additional info in one of the question. otherwise no new things there | 08:27 |
| diablo_rojo | Also asked if he wanted us to watch any other tags related to new contributors but haven't gotten any yet. | 08:27 |
| gmann | nice. | 08:28 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, just saw this old one: https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/33082/want-to-contribute-for-swift-documentation/ | 08:28 |
| mattoliverau | ahh good question. good cause so far it feels quiet | 08:28 |
| mattoliverau | _what_ | 08:28 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah maybe there are tags we are missing that we should be looking at. | 08:28 |
| diablo_rojo | I just went for the obvious two | 08:28 |
| mattoliverau | in the past I just vulenteered asettle for that :P | 08:29 |
| diablo_rojo | but if either of you have new ideas for tags I am all for adding to our list | 08:29 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, lol | 08:29 |
| diablo_rojo | I am sure she appreciated that. | 08:29 |
| mattoliverau | she loved it, ask her about it next time ;) | 08:29 |
| diablo_rojo | Ha ha will do. | 08:30 |
| diablo_rojo | Anywho, other tags? | 08:30 |
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| mattoliverau | hmm, going to tags is a big wall of text that my brain can't handle right now. | 08:31 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, I was about to say the same | 08:31 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://ask.openstack.org/en/tags/ ask.o.o wall of tags | 08:31 |
| mattoliverau | during the week I'll try and parse the list and see if any others pop up | 08:32 |
| diablo_rojo | And they get so teeny towards the bottom | 08:32 |
| diablo_rojo | Sounds good. I will try to do the same. | 08:32 |
| diablo_rojo | Next topic? | 08:32 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, I assume that means there not used as much. So anything bigger would be more useful | 08:32 |
| diablo_rojo | My assumption as well | 08:32 |
| mattoliverau | maybe even copy and paste and get thing in one column or something | 08:33 |
| mattoliverau | *them | 08:33 |
| gmann | is it all pre approved tag or they are being added whatever author tag? | 08:33 |
| diablo_rojo | Concerning that Juno and Icehouse are so close to the top for how old they are | 08:33 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, I think they are just whatever the author added | 08:33 |
| * diablo_rojo tries to recall when I set up my dummy question | 08:33 | |
| mattoliverau | maybe there are still people out there using them. or maybe there also updated when topics are visited? | 08:34 |
| diablo_rojo | when *she set up | 08:34 |
| gmann | then we should restrict those and allow only pre approvd tag like LP ? | 08:34 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, emoting language can be hard :P | 08:34 |
| * diablo_rojo is normally pretty good at it | 08:34 | |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, yeah that would be helpful | 08:34 |
| diablo_rojo | today I learned that TripleO has all their tags documented and its in their repo even | 08:35 |
| mattoliverau | ouch sort by name is worse | 08:35 |
| diablo_rojo | Its beautiful. | 08:35 |
| mattoliverau | sizes don't change | 08:35 |
| mattoliverau | oh cool | 08:35 |
| diablo_rojo | I think size corresponds to usage. | 08:35 |
| diablo_rojo | Larger means more uses | 08:35 |
| gmann | i will check that part sometime if we can have allowed tag only there. | 08:35 |
| mattoliverau | yeah | 08:35 |
| diablo_rojo | Love how Nova is first lol | 08:36 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh if you hover over the word you can see how many times its used. | 08:36 |
| diablo_rojo | Swift has 1282 | 08:36 |
| mattoliverau | ahh cool. Maybe I should go look at those questions and make sure there answers are up to date | 08:37 |
| mattoliverau | over time of course.. 1282 is too much for me in one go :P | 08:37 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah I would take that a few at a time. | 08:37 |
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| diablo_rojo | Anything else here? | 08:38 |
| diablo_rojo | Or shall I move on? | 08:38 |
| gmann | mattoliverau: may be last 6 months are good to take, older one might be not seen by author now :) | 08:38 |
| diablo_rojo | Attainable goals :) | 08:38 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic rollover of #openstack-101 | 08:39 |
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| mattoliverau | true but peolpe looking for answers will look at old answers | 08:39 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, you're up :) | 08:39 |
| mattoliverau | Cool, so I've gone and raised 2 patches to remove #openstack-101 from the irc bots | 08:40 |
| mattoliverau | #link https://review.openstack.org/559249 | 08:40 |
| mattoliverau | #link https://review.openstack.org/559250 | 08:40 |
| mattoliverau | Both have at least 1 +2 each. | 08:40 |
| diablo_rojo | Progress! | 08:40 |
| mattoliverau | thanks you two for given them a +1 :) | 08:40 |
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| diablo_rojo | No problem :) | 08:41 |
| gmann | thanks :) | 08:41 |
| mattoliverau | once they land, we can do the next step. Which is getting up the redirect from #openstack-101 to #openstack-dev | 08:41 |
| gmann | thanks :) | 08:41 |
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| mattoliverau | fungi: said that there is no problem doing the redirect afterwards.. so lets do that | 08:41 |
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| mattoliverau | So really I'm waiting for them to land. And then I'll go pester an infra-core/root to finish it off | 08:42 |
| diablo_rojo | I suppose I should have mentioned them in the infra meeting today | 08:42 |
| gmann | mattoliverau: nice. +1 | 08:43 |
| mattoliverau | the documentation says, to wait (in channel before the redirect, cause otherwise you can't get back in) and remind people to leave and ofter some time week/month? they could be kicked | 08:43 |
| diablo_rojo | I think a week is fine | 08:43 |
| diablo_rojo | given how few people watch the channel anyway | 08:43 |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: well if you could go back in time please, that would be great | 08:43 |
| mattoliverau | yeah +1 | 08:43 |
| mattoliverau | #link https://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/irc.html#renaming-an-irc-channel | 08:44 |
| mattoliverau | For those playing along at home ^ there are the instructions for the redirect | 08:44 |
| mattoliverau | The #openstack-101 channel topic has already been updated warning people it will be removed soon. | 08:45 |
| diablo_rojo | I might be talented but I am not so talented- or fortunate enough to have a tardis. | 08:45 |
| gmann | yea, show that. | 08:45 |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: no stress then :) | 08:45 |
| mattoliverau | that's all the update I have there. | 08:45 |
| diablo_rojo | Works for me. Thanks for doing all of that! | 08:46 |
| mattoliverau | s/there/on that topic/ | 08:46 |
| diablo_rojo | I appreciate it mattoliverau :) | 08:46 |
| mattoliverau | nps | 08:46 |
| gmann | mattoliverau: yea, thanks. | 08:47 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Forum Discussion Planning | 08:47 |
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| diablo_rojo | Can't remember when I submitted them- was that before last meeting? | 08:47 |
| * gmann thanks diablo_rojo and thsi topic which reminds to add QA forum topic before 15th | 08:48 | |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: yea, 2 you submitted i think | 08:48 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, no problem :) | 08:49 |
| diablo_rojo | Yes I did- for this group at least. | 08:49 |
| diablo_rojo | More to come for other things I am working on. | 08:49 |
| mattoliverau | cool, and thanks again for summitting them! | 08:49 |
| diablo_rojo | Feel free to go make comments on them in support of the topics if you feel so compelled | 08:49 |
| gmann | yea nice idea | 08:50 |
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| diablo_rojo | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/ Forum Topic Submission Tool | 08:50 |
| diablo_rojo | Hopefully one or both are selected | 08:50 |
| diablo_rojo | I think they are super important conversations to be had | 08:51 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 08:51 |
| diablo_rojo | But we shall see how many more equally or more important get submitted :) | 08:51 |
| diablo_rojo | That's all I had there :) | 08:52 |
| diablo_rojo | Was just to mention them if I hadn't | 08:52 |
| diablo_rojo | and ask for comments | 08:52 |
| mattoliverau | it's also good to remind us so we remember to make comments and keep thinking about/organising them :) | 08:53 |
| diablo_rojo | That too | 08:53 |
| diablo_rojo | :D | 08:53 |
| mattoliverau | until the summit it should be a sticky topic IMHO | 08:53 |
| diablo_rojo | Happy to leave it on the agenda | 08:53 |
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| diablo_rojo | #topic Open Discussion | 08:54 |
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| diablo_rojo | 6 min left :) | 08:54 |
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| diablo_rojo | Anyone got anything else? :) | 08:56 |
| gmann | nothing from my side. | 08:56 |
| mattoliverau | nope | 08:56 |
| diablo_rojo | Everyone got summit hotels booked? | 08:57 |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: you can go watch more youtube.. or slepp :P | 08:57 |
| gmann | yea hotel and flight done, waiting for visa to come though | 08:57 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, been watching youtube for the last few minutes off and on lol | 08:57 |
| mattoliverau | umm, not yet, but apparently someone from Suse is doing that as group or something sometihing | 08:57 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 08:57 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay that works :) | 08:57 |
| diablo_rojo | Just wanted to make sure everyone got the deal if they hadn't already | 08:58 |
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| mattoliverau | cool, well have a great night then all | 08:59 |
| diablo_rojo | Night! | 08:59 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks for coming! | 08:59 |
| diablo_rojo | #endmeeting | 08:59 |
| gmann | thanks, gn | 08:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 11 08:59:43 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-04-11-08.04.html | 08:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-04-11-08.04.txt | 08:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-04-11-08.04.log.html | 08:59 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | #startmeeting fog-edge-massively-distributed-clouds | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 11 15:00:32 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ad_ri3n_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fog-edge-massively-distributed-clouds)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:00 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | #chair ad_ri3n_ | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ad_ri3n_ | 15:00 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic roll call | 15:00 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | Hi guys ? | 15:00 |
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| jdandrea | o/ | 15:01 |
| dpertin | o/ | 15:01 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ansmith: kgiusti ? | 15:02 |
| ad_ri3n_ | parus ? | 15:02 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 15:02 |
| ad_ri3n_ | msimonin? | 15:02 |
| jamemcc | hello | 15:02 |
| eeiden | o/ | 15:02 |
| ad_ri3n_ | hi jamemcc | 15:02 |
| ansmith | o/ | 15:02 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:03 |
| ad_ri3n_ | I just read parus might be late | 15:03 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | so let's start | 15:03 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #info agenda | 15:03 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massivfbely_distributed_ircmeetings_2018 (line 391) | 15:03 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | #topic news | 15:04 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | so not so much from my side to be honest (attending a summer school last week on experimental testbeds for edge infrastructures: http://www.silecs.net/1st-grid5000-fit-school/) | 15:05 |
| csatari | The correct #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2018 | 15:05 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | so I was expecting parus would give us a brief summary of what has been achieved during these two last weeks | 15:06 |
| ad_ri3n_ | thanks csatari (I can fix the link at the top of the etherpad). | 15:06 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | Thanks dpertin for the fix ;) | 15:06 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so as I wrote, not so much from my side. | 15:07 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Just that there will be a new SIG in the K8S community that will also discuss edge related challenges | 15:07 |
| ad_ri3n_ | and I didn't unfortunately attend the edge session meeting this morning (1 UTC) | 15:08 |
| ad_ri3n_ | csatari: did you attend it? | 15:09 |
| eeiden | WHAT | 15:09 |
| eeiden | so sorry | 15:09 |
| ad_ri3n_ | maybe you can update us a bit regarding the different action? | 15:09 |
| csatari | Nope, it was 4AM for me. | 15:09 |
| ad_ri3n_ | :-) | 15:09 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:09 |
| ad_ri3n_ | csatari: any news regarding the current discussion and the wiki page you consolidated? | 15:09 |
| csatari | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_Edge_Discussions_Dublin_PTG | 15:10 |
| csatari | Any comments are welcome :) We will have a specific meeting on #edge-computing-group to discuss comments and questions. | 15:11 |
| ad_ri3n_ | +1 | 15:11 |
| eeiden | Hey all -- just as a quick FYI I'm Elise Eiden, I'm transitioning into @jamemcc 's LCOO chair position. I've been working in the open source space for about four years, and as a developer on our OpenStack team for about two years. | 15:11 |
| ad_ri3n_ | actually we should propose a slot | 15:11 |
| eeiden | Looking forward to working with you all :) | 15:11 |
| ad_ri3n_ | thanks eeiden and welcome ;) | 15:11 |
| csatari | My main aim with this was 1) to summarize what happened for myself 2) have a place where we store the things what we agreed on. Something what is more stable than a bunch of etherpads. | 15:12 |
| jdandrea | +1 | 15:12 |
| ad_ri3n_ | csatari: +1 | 15:12 |
| ad_ri3n_ | I have a couple of comments/questions I would like to discuss | 15:12 |
| ad_ri3n_ | it is still not clear from my side what is the main target | 15:12 |
| ad_ri3n_ | from our side, we (in particular dpertin) tries to identify what are the missing features in each key service (Keystone, Nova, Glance and Neutron) | 15:13 |
| ad_ri3n_ | based on the requirements/information we have gathered | 15:13 |
| csatari | I think there are 2 targets: | 15:14 |
| ad_ri3n_ | The simplest ones: should keystone be revised/extended to be able to define different rights per region/site? | 15:14 |
| ad_ri3n_ | more complex: you want to boot a VM on site A but using a VMI stored on site B | 15:14 |
| csatari | Collect the high level features of an edge cloud infrastructure. | 15:14 |
| ad_ri3n_ | the second feature may require more important changes on both Nova and Glance where as the simplest ones are only one single service based. | 15:14 |
| csatari | And to collect the requirements of the actual components of different open source projects to implement these features. | 15:15 |
| ad_ri3n_ | not sure I correctly understand your second point. | 15:15 |
| ad_ri3n_ | the first one is clear | 15:15 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ;) | 15:15 |
| csatari | That is the same what you wrote. | 15:15 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:16 |
| csatari | Like things what we need to implement in Keystone for example. | 15:16 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so the second is diving into a particular components and try to identify what is missing? | 15:16 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:16 |
| ad_ri3n_ | thanks | 15:16 |
| csatari | Yes | 15:16 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so do you think there is a third step | 15:16 |
| ad_ri3n_ | identify what is not in the available components and that should be implemented outside | 15:16 |
| ad_ri3n_ | because it is not related to the components. | 15:17 |
| csatari | Yes: The component specific design (blueprint creation in case of OpenStack) and implementaiton. | 15:17 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:17 |
| csatari | To decide the components relates to the 2nd step I believe. | 15:17 |
| ad_ri3n_ | On the ML I was a bit lost as I didn't know whether the two first steps were completed | 15:17 |
| ad_ri3n_ | from our side, not | 15:17 |
| csatari | Not perfectly. | 15:18 |
| csatari | But we have something achieved in both steps. | 15:18 |
| ad_ri3n_ | i.e. the gap analysis of the current mechanisms (at least major ones; keystone/Glance/Nova/Neutron) is not achieved yet | 15:18 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:18 |
| csatari | Yes, we should work on that and extend the requrements part of the wiki. | 15:19 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #action organize a dedicated meeting to go through the dublin wiki pge | 15:19 |
| ad_ri3n_ | can you take the action csatari? | 15:19 |
| csatari | Yes | 15:19 |
| ad_ri3n_ | great | 15:19 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:19 |
| ad_ri3n_ | parus is still not there so I propose to go on | 15:20 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic ongoing-action-gapanalysis | 15:20 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | from our side, we are still waiting for the hotEdge notification | 15:20 |
| ad_ri3n_ | @dpertin date? | 15:20 |
| dpertin | end of april i think | 15:20 |
| ad_ri3n_ | (by end of april if I'm corect) | 15:20 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok thanks | 15:20 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so keep fingers crossed | 15:20 |
| ad_ri3n_ | maybe we can add the discussion regarding the page csatari consolidated on the wiki inside this action | 15:21 |
| ad_ri3n_ | it looks relevant | 15:21 |
| ad_ri3n_ | (at least from my side), unless someone disagrees I will take some notes in the pad | 15:21 |
| csatari | ok for me | 15:22 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok done | 15:23 |
| ad_ri3n_ | nothing more on that point | 15:23 |
| ad_ri3n_ | if there is no question, let's move to the next one | 15:23 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | ah.. | 15:23 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok so maybe let's go back just a bit | 15:23 |
| ad_ri3n_ | hi parus | 15:23 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #chair parus | 15:23 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ad_ri3n_ parus | 15:23 |
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| parus | hi. | 15:24 |
| parus | Sorry to be late. | 15:24 |
| ad_ri3n_ | The floor is yours ;) | 15:24 |
| ad_ri3n_ | please | 15:24 |
| dpertin | hey parus | 15:24 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | we already discussed news and gap analysis discussions | 15:24 |
| parus | Well I put some updates on the etherpad. | 15:24 |
| parus | One was about the edgecomputing meeting yesterday night. | 15:24 |
| ad_ri3n_ | but it would be great if you can give us a short update regarding the current discussions (in particular none attended the meeting this morning)?? | 15:24 |
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| parus | The bulk of the discussion was around Prakash' proposal. | 15:25 |
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| parus | He has rounded up a group of 4, 5 people to help with some proof of concept around cloudtle | 15:26 |
| parus | He is looking for more help. | 15:26 |
| ad_ri3n_ | I know people form inwinstack are porting some codes | 15:26 |
| ad_ri3n_ | but it is related to live migration specifis | 15:26 |
| ad_ri3n_ | etc.. | 15:26 |
| ad_ri3n_ | if I'm right | 15:26 |
| ad_ri3n_ | isn't it? | 15:26 |
| parus | It is . | 15:26 |
| parus | Live migrations of VMs that are stateful. | 15:26 |
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| parus | he had a diagram, where an application can request storage for state and get it allocated on the edge node. | 15:27 |
| ad_ri3n_ | I think we should give a look to this document | 15:27 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #link http://gabriel.cs.cmu.edu/DOCS/CMU-CS-15-123.pdf | 15:27 |
| ad_ri3n_ | do you a link toward such a diagram? | 15:27 |
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| parus | He was building on that, and he was building on the ETSI MEC architecture. | 15:28 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:28 |
| ad_ri3n_ | they are implementing the OEC proposal | 15:28 |
| parus | He is talking about creating a new API, for the application to request storage. | 15:28 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Rolf introduced to us | 15:28 |
| parus | Yes. | 15:28 |
| ad_ri3n_ | at SF (during the opendev event) | 15:29 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:29 |
| ad_ri3n_ | good to see things are progressing | 15:29 |
| ad_ri3n_ | If I'm right they are complementaries | 15:29 |
| parus | The issue I see is that his proposal goes beyond Openstack. | 15:29 |
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| parus | but it includes some openstack features that extend openstack++ further. | 15:29 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:29 |
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| parus | So expect a session on that when we are in Vancouver. | 15:30 |
| ad_ri3n_ | great | 15:30 |
| parus | That is my update on the meeting this morning. | 15:30 |
| ad_ri3n_ | maybe this should be written somewhere here | 15:30 |
| ad_ri3n_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FEMDC_Vancouver_brainstorming | 15:30 |
| ad_ri3n_ | link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FEMDC_Vancouver_brainstorming | 15:30 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FEMDC_Vancouver_brainstorming | 15:30 |
| ad_ri3n_ | sofry | 15:30 |
| ad_ri3n_ | can you please add something on that ? | 15:30 |
| parus | 11:30 <ad_ri3n_> can you please add something on that ? | 15:30 |
| parus | I did. | 15:30 |
| ad_ri3n_ | I would like to come back later | 15:30 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok I just saw it now | 15:31 |
| parus | line 14 | 15:31 |
| ad_ri3n_ | thanks | 15:31 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:31 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so if there is nothing more let's go back to the ongoing actions? | 15:31 |
| parus | The other updates were related to ONS and the followups. Let me know if you hvave queestions. | 15:31 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | ok thanks | 15:31 |
| ad_ri3n_ | 3:30 | 15:31 |
| ad_ri3n_ | I propose to go on and come back later (just to be sure we can discuss all aspects) | 15:32 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic ongoing-action-cockroach | 15:32 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | not sure Marie is there | 15:33 |
| marie_ | yep | 15:33 |
| ad_ri3n_ | (rcherreau is still on holidays, he will be back next monday) | 15:33 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok sorry | 15:33 |
| ad_ri3n_ | yes? | 15:33 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | so can you please let us know the current status of your experiments | 15:33 |
| marie_ | there is not much to say, still gathering results | 15:34 |
| * ad_ri3n_ is reading the pad | 15:34 | |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:34 |
| ad_ri3n_ | maybe we can have first numbers for the next meeting ;) | 15:34 |
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| marie_ | yep ! | 15:34 |
| ad_ri3n_ | thanks | 15:34 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic ongoing-action-AMQP | 15:35 |
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| kgiusti | Hi | 15:35 |
| ad_ri3n_ | kgiusti: ansmith ? | 15:35 |
| ad_ri3n_ | msimonin? | 15:35 |
| kgiusti | I've been investigating a reported slow memory creep on both the router and the ombt2 clients | 15:35 |
| kgiusti | but have been unable to duplicate the issue as observed by msimonin | 15:36 |
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| kgiusti | we have a meeting tomorrow which we'll discuss this further | 15:36 |
| kgiusti | that's about it for me this week. | 15:37 |
| kgiusti | msimonin doesn't appear to be here today. | 15:37 |
| kgiusti | and I don't have the latest news from the testing effort. | 15:37 |
| ad_ri3n_ | javier should be there also | 15:38 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok let's open this point | 15:38 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | ah msimonin ;) | 15:38 |
| kgiusti | speak of the devil :) | 15:38 |
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| msimonin | o/ | 15:38 |
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| kgiusti | Hi msimonin! | 15:38 |
| msimonin | I heard some voices | 15:38 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok so I think we are done with AMQP | 15:38 |
| msimonin | Hi kgiusti | 15:38 |
| ad_ri3n_ | let's move to the next point :D | 15:38 |
| ad_ri3n_ | msimonin: please ;) | 15:38 |
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| msimonin | What's next (sorry) ? | 15:39 |
| ad_ri3n_ | (BTW please let us know what is ombt-orchestrator with enoslib inside ;)) | 15:39 |
| ad_ri3n_ | we are discussing AMQP evaluations | 15:39 |
| ad_ri3n_ | kgiusti just explained that he didn't succeed to reproduce the memory leaks you are facing | 15:40 |
| msimonin | oh I see | 15:40 |
| msimonin | kgiusti: are you able to use the orchestrator ? | 15:40 |
| msimonin | javier made many changes lately | 15:40 |
| msimonin | related to packaging the tool properly | 15:41 |
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| kgiusti | msimonin: not successful atm - tried some new hw today - see line 436 | 15:41 |
| kgiusti | msimonin: yes I've gotten much further today with the latest oo | 15:41 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | msimonin: kgiusti a few words on what is ombt-orchestrator please :-p? | 15:42 |
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| kgiusti | sorry - see line 438 - a tool for orchestrating the oslo.messaging scale tests | 15:43 |
| msimonin | the orchestrator is an evaluation tool for testing oslo.messaging against various message bus | 15:43 |
| msimonin | ::) | 15:43 |
| msimonin | kgiusti: First time I see this error | 15:44 |
| msimonin | interesting | 15:44 |
| msimonin | Could you provide the the configuration ? | 15:44 |
| kgiusti | msimonin: yeah - we should probably take this off line to discuss the details | 15:44 |
| ad_ri3n_ | yes | 15:44 |
| ad_ri3n_ | :D | 15:44 |
| ad_ri3n_ | xx:45 | 15:44 |
| kgiusti | msimonin: I'll IM you | 15:45 |
| msimonin | kgiusti: cool thanks | 15:45 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | if there is no more information on that point I think we can move forward (I remind you that you have a few information on current results msimonin got a few lines above, please see the notes of the last discussion) | 15:46 |
| msimonin | I'm ok from my side, I'll try to help kgiusti | 15:46 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic vancouver-summit | 15:47 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | so we created a dedicated etherpad to prepare the vancouver summit | 15:47 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FEMDC_Vancouver_brainstorming | 15:47 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | and add topics you would like to discuss | 15:48 |
| ad_ri3n_ | brainstorming sessions you would like to propose to the forum. | 15:48 |
| ad_ri3n_ | etc. | 15:48 |
| ad_ri3n_ | for the moment parus and I added some contents | 15:48 |
| ad_ri3n_ | (and I added BTW a csatari proposal he pushed on the glance pad) | 15:49 |
| ad_ri3n_ | see line 25. | 15:49 |
| parus | I think I saw an email for csatari about Keystone as well. | 15:49 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so please don't be shy | 15:49 |
| parus | Should we add that here? | 15:49 |
| ad_ri3n_ | csatari: maybe I miss your keystone email? | 15:49 |
| ad_ri3n_ | (I think it would be great if we can keep an eye of what has been proposed so far) | 15:50 |
| csatari | In Keystone I'm not sure. | 15:50 |
| csatari | I mean if we need the feature. Maybe a Forum session could clarify the fog in my head.... | 15:51 |
| parus | There was an exchange between Ildyko and you and setting a meeting with Keystone and reviewing NKB prosposals. | 15:51 |
| csatari | parus: :) | 15:51 |
| parus | "Maybe we can share our two architecture alternatives (1) syncronise Keystone data with the New Kingbird 2) Multi region Keystone) with Keystone people. And ask feedback." | 15:51 |
| parus | Was that about Vancouver | 15:52 |
| csatari | Now I remember. Yes, I can add it to the Keystone etherpad, however it is not clear for me how the proposals get to the tool from the etherpads.... | 15:53 |
| ad_ri3n_ | the same | 15:54 |
| ad_ri3n_ | :-P | 15:54 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok I will send an email on the ML to try to make progress on that point too | 15:54 |
| parus | About my point on line 18 on the Vancouver Etherpad. | 15:54 |
| ad_ri3n_ | yes ? | 15:55 |
| parus | I would like to have a whiteboard session maybe with a group. | 15:55 |
| parus | There are architecture options emerging. | 15:55 |
| ad_ri3n_ | I know there will be one or two panels dealing with security aspects on edge infrastructures | 15:55 |
| ad_ri3n_ | parus : | 15:55 |
| parus | It was not about security. | 15:55 |
| parus | My bad. | 15:55 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Maybe it is a formatting | 15:55 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:55 |
| parus | Let me update formatting. | 15:56 |
| ad_ri3n_ | it is a formatting issue | 15:56 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ;) | 15:56 |
| ad_ri3n_ | thanks | 15:56 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | 4 min lefts | 15:56 |
| ad_ri3n_ | I propose to move to open-discussions | 15:56 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic open-discussions | 15:56 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | ansmith: kgiusti thanks | 15:56 |
| ad_ri3n_ | first of all | 15:57 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ;) | 15:57 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so if I correctly understood : let's wait and see | 15:57 |
| ansmith | every chance we get, we provide an overview of this wg and the analysis going on | 15:57 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok regarding the pu/sub item? | 15:57 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | ansmith: great | 15:57 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | and thanks | 15:57 |
| parus | Has Pubnub ever been evaluated by this group? | 15:58 |
| ad_ri3n_ | AFAIK no? | 15:58 |
| parus | Is there something clever they are doing that we could learn from? | 15:58 |
| ad_ri3n_ | msimonin: javier maybe you can give it a look | 15:58 |
| ad_ri3n_ | to see theoretically speaking this may make sense? | 15:59 |
| kgiusti | no - haven't heard of them b4 :) | 15:59 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok one minute left | 15:59 |
| ad_ri3n_ | thanks you guys | 15:59 |
| marie_ | thanks | 15:59 |
| ad_ri3n_ | if you have comments, please feel free to add them into the pad | 15:59 |
| parus | thx | 15:59 |
| csatari | thanks | 15:59 |
| dpertin | thx | 15:59 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 11 15:59:46 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds/2018/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds.2018-04-11-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds/2018/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds.2018-04-11-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds/2018/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds.2018-04-11-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 11 16:00:04 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
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| jungleboyj | Courtesy ping: jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlontpsilva patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut | 16:00 |
| Swanson | Hello. | 16:00 |
| ganso | hello | 16:00 |
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| tommylikehu | hello | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:00 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (¬_¬)ﾉ | 16:00 |
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| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
| geguileor | hi! | 16:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:01 |
| lseki | hi | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | Cool. Looks like we have a good crowd here. | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Lets get started. | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic announcements | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | Thank you to smcginnis for running the meeting last week. | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | Ian thanks you for freeing me up for his birthday lunch. :-) | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | I don't have a lot announcement wise. | 16:02 |
| rajinir | hi | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Hopefully you all saw the tweets and e-mails about the reduced hotel prices for the Summit. | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | Hope to see some of you there. | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Also, the TC nomination period is open. Have seen notes on the ML about that including the fact that smcginnis will be running again. | 16:04 |
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| tommylikehu | great | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 16:04 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | Everyone has a week if they'd like to put in their name too. :) | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Also just to make people aware that Rocky-1 is already coming up quickly. | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | Doesn't close anything down for Cinder, but bring it up for awareness. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: So no Cinder-specific deadlines for Rocky-1? | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, moving on. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Let me look. I don't think we have anything for Rocky-1 | 16:06 |
| e0ne | at least, we don't have anything at https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | Nope, Nothing until .... oops, I thought I had put up the patch for that. | 16:07 |
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| * jungleboyj needs to do that after the meeting. | 16:07 | |
| jungleboyj | #action jungleboyj to update the rocky release schedule | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | It will look the same as Queens: | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html | 16:08 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic Rocky Priorities Review | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | I didn't get a chance to go through this before the meeting. | 16:10 |
| e0ne | nothing from me on this topic | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Anyone have any updates to note in here? I think the FCZM update is done now. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Oh, but the merge failed. | 16:10 |
| e0ne | I started rebase my backup-related patches | 16:10 |
| e0ne | they'll be on gerrit this week | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: hemna_ You need to rebase the FCZM patch. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Good. | 16:11 |
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| jungleboyj | I will try to find some time to go through the list and get things updated. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Need to do some spec reviews and try to get those wrapped up. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | #topic HA Development Progress. | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | geguileor: Any updates here? | 16:13 |
| geguileor | nop | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | :-( Ok | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Where are things left on the scheduler/database discussion? | 16:14 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: looks like we moved to placement discussion there | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so that is on hold until after we talk about it at the Forum? | 16:15 |
| e0ne | I need to sync with tommylikehu on this to get our specs up to date | 16:15 |
| tommylikehu | oh | 16:15 |
| tommylikehu | this one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/559718/ | 16:16 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: sounds readonable | 16:16 |
| e0ne | tommylikehu: yep. maybe we need to merge our specs intro the one. I'll check it | 16:16 |
| tommylikehu | ok | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Cool. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Will you be in Vancouver? | 16:17 |
| tommylikehu | no | 16:17 |
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| tommylikehu | sean will be there | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | I plan to be in the placement discussion. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne? | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | But if there is anything we can work on before then, that would be good. | 16:17 |
| e0ne | I hope so | 16:17 |
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| jungleboyj | e0ne: Ok. Good. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:17 |
| e0ne | I should get visa in the end of April | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | Would be good for us to all go into the discussion prepared. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 16:18 |
| e0ne | +1 | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: and tommylikehu Can you guys work on getting the new spec better outlined and we can have a discussion before the forum based on that? | 16:19 |
| tommylikehu | sure | 16:19 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: sure, we'll do it | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | #action e0ne and tommylikehu to work on new Placement Service spec . Team to review and discuss before Vancouver. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, that leads nicely into the next topic: | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Vancouver Forum Topic Proposals | 16:20 |
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| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-cinder-brainstorming | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | So, that is the list we currently have. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | Does anyone have concerns with me submitting those topics? | 16:21 |
| eharney | i'm not attending, so don't list me on the tempest thing | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: :-( | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | Do we want to still propose that then? | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | eharney: :( | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | @!b | 16:22 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ ︵ ╯(°□° ╯) | 16:22 |
| eharney | i'm skeptical that it's of user interest anyway, but it may be good to talk about it somewhere | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, wasn't sure on the tempest one in the first place. I think we need to work with some -QA folks to prep for something like that. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | Maybe better as a ML discussion? | 16:23 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ or set time for it at the next PTG and see if we can do it cross-project? | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | Yeah, that would be good too. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Is going to be there and I think his topics are good. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Chris is going to submit the last one. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | So, I will put the other 4 in. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | #action jungleboyj to submit 4 topics for the forum in Vancouver. | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | Any other concerns there? | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | Other than :-( over eharney not coming | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic stable/branch policy changes discussion | 16:26 |
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| jungleboyj | Let the fun begin. | 16:26 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:26 |
| eharney | i'm a little unsure on what we still need to figure out here | 16:27 |
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| eharney | but i do get the feeling that everyone hasn't landed in the same place on this yet | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Right. | 16:27 |
| eharney | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557869/ being a good example i was just looking at... | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Is it safe to say that the community has moved to keeping branches longer? | 16:28 |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: Now, that looks like a feature backport rather than a fix. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | Yep, they will now be kept around. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | What am I missing? | 16:29 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: that making SSL work correctly between Cinder and the backend is not a feature :) | 16:29 |
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| smcginnis | I wouldn't really consider actually verifying SSL connections to be a feature. | 16:29 |
| eharney | especially when we already have an option that says it does that... | 16:30 |
| eharney | which just silently fails to work in this case | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Ok, fair enough. It is addressing a security issue. | 16:30 |
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| jungleboyj | I will change my vote on that one. | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | So, at this point we will take anything that is appropriate for backport to /stable/queens back to pike and ocata as well? | 16:32 |
| eharney | it's about risk vs benefit delivered by the fix | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | I think as long as it's fixing an issue that an end user or operator might run in to and it's not a new feature, we should get it backported. | 16:33 |
| eharney | right | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Well, you are the one benefitting most from fixes ... so ... | 16:33 |
| eharney | well, sorta, but i mean... | 16:33 |
| eharney | i just end up backporting them downstream if they don't land in stable anyway, so i do this risk assessment constantly | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Do you have a set of patches we should get backported upstream so you don't have to carry them downstream? | 16:34 |
| eharney | it's more about benefiting deployers who try to use cinder for more than a few months | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Good question. | 16:35 |
| hemna_ | smcginnis, +1 | 16:35 |
| eharney | well most of them are going to newton etc, which can't be backported or even proposed for backport upstream -- in general we try to push anything we backport downstream toward stable branches as part of the process | 16:35 |
| hemna_ | eharney, so are you suggesting we allow new features to get backported? | 16:35 |
| eharney | no | 16:36 |
| * e0ne is happy because there is no custom patches in downstream cinder | 16:36 | |
| hemna_ | ok cool :) | 16:36 |
| hemna_ | so...what's the issue then really? | 16:36 |
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| e0ne | eharney: we've got the same workflow for our downstream too | 16:37 |
| eharney | we've trended toward being very conservative when looking at backports, and to be useful, especially with a longer-lived stable release, we need to make sure we are getting the right fixes in | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | Ok ... So, I think the answer is that we let people backport back to Ocata if it fixes something a user/operator may see. | 16:37 |
| eharney | not sure there's a particular issue, just that it's an adjustment from the previous idea of "nothing lands after 6 months" | 16:37 |
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| eharney | also -- reviewers should be thinking about things like "should this also go to stable" when reviewing patches on master | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | So what do we do with driverfixes/ branches? | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | Do we still do that for n-3 ? | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I'd say leave the ones that are there, there. | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:38 |
| eharney | keep the current driverfixes branches running... don't make new ones until we have to | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I plan on going through and proposing things that went into driverfixes/ocata into stable/ocata | 16:38 |
| e0ne | eharney: +1 | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: That would be great. Thank you! | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | If we do anything with them, I think we should maybe delete driverfixes/ocata (once patches are merged over to stable) just so there's no confusion between the two since stable/ isn't going away. | 16:39 |
| hemna_ | +1 | 16:40 |
| ganso | smcginnis: wouldn't we be re-creating driverfixes/ocata on the next 6 months? | 16:40 |
| ganso | smcginnis: as it will be older than 18 months | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | ganso: No, we are not deleting them anymore starting with ocata. | 16:40 |
| tbarron | it's only driverfixes/ocata that overlaps | 16:41 |
| tbarron | if we support stable back to ocata | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: Right. | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: Yep. The stable policy change starts with ocata, so anything older is already gone. | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | And we haven't created newer driverfixes branches. | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | But once we get beyond 18 months we may have to recreate driverfixes/ocata . | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | ? | 16:42 |
| tbarron | so i'm thinking of moving everything from driverfixes/ocata to stable/ocata | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | Though we would rather not. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: ++ | 16:42 |
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| smcginnis | tbarron: That's my plan for Cinder, so would be good if Manila did the same. | 16:42 |
| hemna_ | moving forward driverfixes would only be needed after 18 months out for an older release. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: What I am trying to understand is what we do once Ocata goes beyond the 18 month point ... | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | hemna_: Right | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | Nothing | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | The stable/ocata branch will not be deleted anymore. | 16:43 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Right, but will we just keep taking patches then? | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | It's there, and as long as someone is willing to backport and merge fixes, it's in "extended maintenance"/ | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ahhhh. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | It's up to teams how long they want to care about older branches, but there will not be a stable policy enforcing that they must die. | 16:44 |
| ganso | so there will be no need for driverfixes branches ever again? | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | They'll be allowed a "natural death" :) | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | ganso: I don't believe there will be. | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I understand now. | 16:44 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: yup | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so I agree that we should get stable/ocata sync'ed up and then we should get rid of that driverfixes branch. | 16:45 |
| hemna_ | smcginnis, not even for after 18+ months is up? | 16:45 |
| hemna_ | 18 months isn't that long for deployments IMHO | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | Eventually *fingers crossed* people will move beyond using that branch. | 16:45 |
| tbarron | it's up to teams if / when they want to retire stable branches starting with ocata | 16:45 |
| e0ne | hemna_: +1 | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | It's only after a branch goes into unmaintained state due to no one doing anything with it for an extended period of time that it will go to EOL, but the branch will still be kept around. | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | https://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/stable-branches.html#maintenance-phases | 16:46 |
| hemna_ | tbarron, so we can still push driver fixes for stable/newton ? | 16:46 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: sure, eventually... but i think about branches living 5+ years ;) | 16:46 |
| tbarron | hemna_: no, "starting with stable/ocata" | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: ++ | 16:46 |
| hemna_ | I guess what I'm asking is, how/where do we push driver fixes for a branch that's > 18 months old. because we will still have customers that want them. | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: You poor devil | 16:46 |
| tbarron | hemna_: you'll stiil have driverfixes/newton | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | Right. | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | if release <- newton: patch driverfixes; else: patch stable | 16:47 |
| tbarron | hemna_: if < ocata, driverfixes; else, stable | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: Hah | 16:47 |
| * jungleboyj laughs | 16:47 | |
| tbarron | smcginnis: has better syntax | 16:47 |
| tommylikehu | lol | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | Did you two seriously just do that? | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | s/<-/<=/ :) | 16:48 |
| tbarron | ternary form now | 16:48 |
| hemna_ | hehe | 16:48 |
| * tbarron stops | 16:48 | |
| jungleboyj | Ok. So, I think we are all at a point of understanding an agreement. | 16:48 |
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| smcginnis | We're at least a little less confused. ;) | 16:49 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: :) | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | #action for smcginnis is make sure that stable/ocata and driverfixes/ocata are in sync. | 16:49 |
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| jungleboyj | #action smcginnis or jungleboyj delete driverfixes/ocata once things are sync'ed up. | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | Sounds good. | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | #action jungleboyj Document Cinder's interpretation of extended maintenance for backports. | 16:50 |
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| Swanson | jungleboyj, got if for you. "If the branch exists then go nuts." | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | Swanson: :-) | 16:51 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, lets move on to the final topic with 9 minutes. | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | #topic ``volume:extend_attached_volume`` policy rule mechanism does not allow backends that do not support this feature to be handled separetely, creating a bad user experience | 16:52 |
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| jungleboyj | lseki: | 16:52 |
| lseki | hi | 16:52 |
| lseki | so, there's this feature https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/api/openstack/rest_api_version_history.rst#342 | 16:52 |
| lseki | Add ability to extend 'in-use' volume | 16:52 |
| lseki | Administrator can disable this ability by updating the volume:extend_attached_volume policy rule | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/api/openstack/rest_api_version_history.rst#342 | 16:53 |
| lseki | if the admin has some backends that support in-use extend, and others that doesn't | 16:53 |
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| lseki | when he uses a policy rule, it will enable/disable everything | 16:54 |
| e0ne | lseki: why don't use capabilities for this? | 16:54 |
| lseki | e0ne: that's the idea | 16:54 |
| lseki | it could be rather an extra-spec/capability | 16:54 |
| tommylikehu | we can ask driver to report this capability then add the extra spec before scheduling to the schedulr | 16:55 |
| e0ne | lseki: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/manager.py#L133 | 16:55 |
| ganso | e0ne: AFAWK there is no way to do that currently, as extra-specs/capabilities for this do not exist | 16:55 |
| e0ne | tommylikehu: +1 | 16:55 |
| ganso | we should make it an official one instead of "extra_capabilities", IMO | 16:55 |
| e0ne | IMO, policy shouldn't depend on drivers and backends | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | ganso: Yeah, kind of sounds that way. | 16:56 |
| ganso | as it maps to a feature in the API | 16:56 |
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| ganso | e0ne: +1, policies shouldn't do this kind of thing | 16:56 |
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| ganso | so is there agreement that an extra-spec and respective capability should be created to address this? | 16:57 |
| tommylikehu | what is the difference if we filter this out in the scheduler or let it failed in the backend | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | 2 minutes. | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: If it fails in the scheduler can we get a better error back to the user? | 16:58 |
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| ganso | if it fails in the backend and there is no way to tell the manager that's because this feature is not supported it would go into extending_error | 16:59 |
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| jungleboyj | ganso: Yuck. | 16:59 |
| ganso | that would be a not very good user experience IMO, as the backend probably didn't even try to extend the volume | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | 1 minute | 16:59 |
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| jungleboyj | So, it sounds like we have something to fix here. | 16:59 |
| ganso | ok we might need to table this discussion | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | lseki: Can you work with ganso and e0ne to propose a solution? | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Or we can finish this discussion in channel? | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Silence. | 17:01 |
| lseki | I think this needs further discussion | 17:01 |
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| lseki | not sure if it's a bug or a feature | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | Ok lets pick this up next week then. | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks everyone! | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
| tommylikehu | thanks | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 11 17:01:37 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-04-11-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-04-11-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| lseki | thx! | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-04-11-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
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| diablo_rojo | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 11 19:01:55 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is diablo_rojo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:01 |
| diablo_rojo | I'll give running things a go since SotK said he couldn't make it today :( | 19:02 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda | 19:02 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:02 | |
| diablo_rojo | Cyborg has migrated! | 19:03 |
| * diablo_rojo cues applause | 19:03 | |
| fungi | better than queuing applause i suppose | 19:03 |
| diablo_rojo | Ha ha | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Other announcement: Forum submissions are open till the 15th! | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | So if you have ideas please submit them! | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | I have one I drafted for StoryBoard in this etherpad: | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sb_forum_yvr_rocky_proposal Kendall's SB Forum Proposal | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo | I would love comments and edits | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo | Any other announcements before I move on? | 19:06 |
| fungi | nothing from the peanut gallery here | 19:06 |
| dhellmann | no announcements here | 19:06 |
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| diablo_rojo | #topic Migration Updates! | 19:07 |
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| diablo_rojo | So! Sounds like we have OpenStackSDK and OpenStackClient scheduled for Friday. | 19:08 |
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| diablo_rojo | Which is super awesome. I love this having migrations every week business. | 19:08 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/45 Board Tracking Migration Progress | 19:08 |
| fungi | yeah, happy to take care of them | 19:08 |
| fungi | setting myself a reminder now | 19:08 |
| fungi | do we have changes proposed for those? | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, much appreciated! I owe you so many beers. | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, not yet, but I can do that today. | 19:09 |
| fungi | tripleo's ui squad also requested migrating the validations tags to openstack/tripleo-validations | 19:09 |
| fungi | i have a change up for that and can merge it whenever they're ready for me to run it | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo | #action diablo_rojo will create project-config changes for OSDK and OSC | 19:10 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/558934 Track tripleo-validations tasks on StoryBoard | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, excellent I will check it out and I can poke EmilienM to look too if you want | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | Anything else I can do to help there? | 19:10 |
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| diablo_rojo | :) | 19:11 |
| fungi | thanks! | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Last update is that we also started talking about migrating the TripleO security squad | 19:11 |
| EmilienM | it becomes tricky though | 19:11 |
| EmilienM | because they don't have specific repos | 19:11 |
| fungi | yeah, i replied on that thread because i'm confused as to what they're looking for | 19:11 |
| EmilienM | they use most of tripleo repos | 19:11 |
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| EmilienM | I guess we want to create the tripleo project and migrate bugs with certain tags maybe? | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | I feel like it would be fine if we created the repos and then just migrate the relevant tags | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | EmilienM, exactly :) | 19:12 |
| fungi | that would probably work, but i'm trying to think about what problems it might cause | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | And then migrate other tags later then finally, once all the squads are over, run the last time for all of TripleO to make sure the rest is migrated and things are all up to date before disabling the tracker. | 19:13 |
| fungi | are you expecting tripleo users to start reporting suspected vulnerabilities into sb but keep reporting all other bugs in lp? | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, it would be hard not being able to disable bug reporting for certain cases- things might continue to get filed there | 19:13 |
| fungi | also keep in mind that any currently private bugs don't get migrated. we'd have to manually summarize them in new private stories if they need to remain private due to an in-progress embargo at the time of migration | 19:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Yes, important to note. | 19:15 |
| dhellmann | splitting the bugs for repos up like that seems like it's going to make the migration more complicated than just waiting to do that team until the others are done | 19:16 |
| diablo_rojo | EmilienM, how far behind are the rest of the squads from being willing to migrate? | 19:16 |
| fungi | right. splitting tripleo bugs along repository boundaries is a bit easier since you basically used bugtags to indicate which repository you were targeting with them | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | dhellmann, yeah for the first few squads it was fine as they had their own repos, but for others that share.. | 19:17 |
| fungi | and the repository-specific task concept aligns perfectly with storyboard's model | 19:17 |
| EmilienM | diablo_rojo: not easy answer | 19:17 |
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| diablo_rojo | EmilienM, I didn't expect it would be lol | 19:17 |
| EmilienM | tripleo project is really big, lot of repos, lot of teams, lot of people :) | 19:17 |
| EmilienM | which why I suggested we do baby steps here | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Are there others that have specific repos we can do first? | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Or were UI and validation the only ones? | 19:18 |
| EmilienM | no | 19:18 |
| EmilienM | they were the only ones | 19:18 |
| fungi | so anyway, sounds like the security squad would probably actually straddle lp and sb if they're handling security issues in parts of tripleo which are in sb and parts which are still in lp | 19:19 |
| EmilienM | could we have "tripleo" project in SB | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | I think continuing to do a squad at a time is doable, though it might get messy. Coming up with a more concrete timeline for the rest of them to minimize lag would be best before we split the repo would be a good idea I think. | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | That was a terribly worded sentence lol | 19:21 |
| EmilienM | and we migrate some bugs but only some tags | 19:21 |
| EmilienM | if we move all bugs all in once and ask everyone to switch it's going to be messy | 19:22 |
| EmilienM | we can TRY! but only if you have a time machine in case things go south | 19:22 |
| diablo_rojo | EmilienM, yeah we can do that- its just going to get messy I think as people could still report bugs with the tags in lp instead of where they should be in storyboard. | 19:22 |
| diablo_rojo | EmilienM, sadly I have no Tardis. | 19:23 |
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| EmilienM | what??? pfftt :) | 19:23 |
| fungi | well, "projects" in sb correspond to individual git repositories. i suppose we could migrate them to have initial tasks in the openstack/tripleo-common project | 19:23 |
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| diablo_rojo | So 10 squads. 1 is already migrated. validation is set to go. Security after, then maybe one or two each following week? | 19:24 |
| EmilienM | yeah we can try | 19:24 |
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| fungi | and create projects in sb for all the tripleo team's other deliverable repositories too and then active stories could get new tasks manually (or scripted through the api based on some determined characteristics) created for the relevant projects | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo | Let me know what meetings I need to attend to rally the people EmilienM | 19:25 |
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| diablo_rojo | fungi, so is this feasible? | 19:25 |
| fungi | migrating (public) tripleo security squad bugs to specific repository projects in sb based on one or more lp bugtags is feasible, but it's the workflow i'm mostly worried about | 19:27 |
| EmilienM | diablo_rojo: tuesday at your 7am (yes sorry) | 19:28 |
| EmilienM | diablo_rojo: on #tripleo | 19:28 |
| EmilienM | diablo_rojo: but really you can join the channel at anytime | 19:28 |
| diablo_rojo | workflow for people filing bugs or for the team fungi ? | 19:28 |
| diablo_rojo | EmilienM, I'll add it to my calendar. | 19:28 |
| EmilienM | awesome | 19:28 |
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| diablo_rojo | Oh man. FC SIG at 1 AM. TripleO at 7AM. | 19:29 |
| fungi | a little of both. main concerns are 1. if users are filing security bugs will they know to do so in sb, and 2. when users are filing security bugs do they know in advance they're security bugs or do they get triaged as such later (and will someone then need to tell the reporter to copy that into sb or perhaps do so themselves)? | 19:29 |
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| diablo_rojo | lhinds, might be able to share thoughts on that? ^^ | 19:30 |
| fungi | it's a little easier at least when the users can expect to file security and normal bugs in the same system | 19:30 |
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| fungi | knowing to use different bug trackers to report bugs for different subsystems/repositories is one thing, but deciding which tracker to use based on more subtle characteristics like "is this maybe security-related" could be a lot harder to figure out | 19:31 |
| diablo_rojo | Agreed | 19:31 |
| diablo_rojo | I suppose they can note that in their list of bug tags and in the lp project description and any other documentation they have | 19:32 |
| diablo_rojo | ? | 19:32 |
| diablo_rojo | What goes where | 19:32 |
| fungi | at least from my (vmt) perspective, it's a lot more common to see bugs originally reported as security bugs turn out not to be and vice versa than it is to see bugs reported against the wrong subsystem | 19:32 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah I suppose if its reported as security but itsnt then its already in sb but the regular squad dealing with it wouldnt see it unless they are already looking at both places. | 19:34 |
| dhellmann | why are we going team-by-team instead of repo-by-repo? | 19:34 |
| fungi | and if it's reported as a not-security bug but then turns out to be security related, it needs to get moved into sb somehow | 19:34 |
| fungi | dhellmann: tripleo didn't track bugs by repo | 19:34 |
| fungi | they just used one big tripleo bucket in lp | 19:35 |
| dhellmann | hmm | 19:35 |
| fungi | at least for the most part | 19:35 |
| diablo_rojo | Yes thats my understanding | 19:35 |
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| dhellmann | ok | 19:36 |
| fungi | and then augmented some of that by using bugtags to identify different responsible subteams which in some cases roughly corresponded to one or a set of repositories | 19:36 |
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| diablo_rojo | but there is a lot of intersection with squads and repos | 19:36 |
| fungi | but the concern is that tripleo is so huge and has so many subteams that convincing them all to switch from lp to sb at once would be hard | 19:36 |
| dhellmann | my inclination would be to just move it all at once, but if you have ways to not do that I guess it's probably fine and since I'm not doing the work I should probably just stay out of it | 19:36 |
| fungi | from the infrastructure side of things, yes moving them all at once would be way easier | 19:37 |
| diablo_rojo | All at once would certainly be preferable.. | 19:37 |
| dhellmann | maybe they're not good candidates to go early, then, if they're a special case or need extra encouragement | 19:37 |
| diablo_rojo | I can talk to the team Tuesday during their meeting and beg :) | 19:37 |
| fungi | we invented a way to fan out bugs to different repositories based on tag filtering specifically for tripleo in fact | 19:38 |
| dhellmann | oh, wow | 19:38 |
| diablo_rojo | More for sahara, but TripleO had a vested interest | 19:38 |
| fungi | oh, right, thanks for the correction | 19:38 |
| fungi | we did use it on sahara first for similar reasons | 19:38 |
| diablo_rojo | One big lp projects that covered a lot of repos | 19:39 |
| diablo_rojo | It was a super cool migration script addition in my opinion | 19:39 |
| fungi | for sure, it's handy | 19:39 |
| diablo_rojo | There are enough other irons in the fire that if we can't do TripleO now it wont stop progress. | 19:39 |
| * dhellmann nods | 19:40 | |
| fungi | and also, the more high-profile migrations we get behind us, the easier it is to convince some of the teams who are still on the fence | 19:40 |
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| dhellmann | exactly | 19:40 |
| diablo_rojo | I have like 15 projects ready to move that I have been casually chatting with PTLs about migration with | 19:40 |
| dhellmann | nice | 19:40 |
| dhellmann | I presume that means we no longer have any feature blockers? | 19:41 |
| dhellmann | with storyboard itself, that is | 19:41 |
| diablo_rojo | dhellmann, the last big blocker was the private stories and I believe all that has been implemented | 19:41 |
| fungi | there are a few i'm personally prioritizing | 19:41 |
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| diablo_rojo | There are some things people have filed but I think a lot of them are 'nice to have' rather than actually blocking issues | 19:42 |
| fungi | but they're more like irritations/inconveniences to projects who have already moved to sb which we need to fix | 19:42 |
| dhellmann | that all sounds good | 19:42 |
| diablo_rojo | We will get to that in the agenda if we are good to move on? | 19:42 |
| fungi | the ones i'm focusing on at least | 19:42 |
| fungi | yup, i'm all set | 19:42 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic In Progress Work | 19:42 |
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| diablo_rojo | fungi? gerrit posting on stories? | 19:42 |
| fungi | yeah, i'm in the process of diagnosing that one today | 19:43 |
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| fungi | then there are a couple further down the list i plan to look at once i have that settled | 19:43 |
| diablo_rojo | Cool. | 19:43 |
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| diablo_rojo | I think that getting fixed will unblock another team or two | 19:44 |
| diablo_rojo | Not sure what I can do to help, but I'm here if you need a rubber duck at the very least. | 19:44 |
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| diablo_rojo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/storyboard+status:open Open Storyboard Reviews | 19:45 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient+status:open Open Webclient Reviews | 19:45 |
| fungi | one of the bigger issues further down my list is that private stories don't generate e-mail notifications to subscribers who are able to see them | 19:45 |
| fungi | before fixing that we want to be able to test that it doesn't regress again | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/python-storyboardclient+status:open Open Pythonclient reviews | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Agreed. | 19:46 |
| fungi | but corvus has been having some difficulty wrangling the testsuite to get a test for that added | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Ah yes I recall him having issues and needing SotK to explain some things. | 19:46 |
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| fungi | to the point where it may just be easier (sadly) to create an external periodic cron job to query the sb api and send e-mails | 19:47 |
| dhellmann | :-( | 19:48 |
| diablo_rojo | :( | 19:48 |
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| dhellmann | this feels like a good use case for something like celery | 19:49 |
| diablo_rojo | celery? | 19:49 |
| dhellmann | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/celery | 19:49 |
| dhellmann | SB would start a task to send email instead of blocking on talking to the sendmail daemon | 19:50 |
| fungi | the other one i'm tracking as a priority (which is a sort-of-blocker for some teams) is that due to the webclient doing all content querying and rendering browser-side, search engines are unable to easily index stories | 19:50 |
| diablo_rojo | Interesting. | 19:50 |
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| dhellmann | oh, yeah, I would consider that a blocker | 19:51 |
| fungi | users are going to want to be able to find stories when they plug error messages into web search engines | 19:51 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh yes, for sure. | 19:52 |
| dhellmann | I suppose that means we need some sort of index page that can be crawled to find all of the bugs, too | 19:52 |
| fungi | so we probably need some indexible content returned in indexible "flat" pages which use something like a meta refresh redirect to bounce browser clients to the dynamic versions | 19:52 |
| fungi | and yeah, an index too | 19:53 |
| dhellmann | makes sense | 19:53 |
| dhellmann | storyboard.openstack.org/static/ or something | 19:53 |
| diablo_rojo | Ahh okay. Similar to the bug indicies in lp. | 19:53 |
| dhellmann | yeah, if you want the crawler to crawl your site, you have to give it a place to start | 19:54 |
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| diablo_rojo | Makes sense. So..thats something we need to implement in the webclient then I suppose. | 19:54 |
| dhellmann | or maybe as a separate tool | 19:55 |
| fungi | given i'm not really a webapp designer, i have to assume there are standard/conventional solutions to this problem and i just don't know what they are | 19:55 |
| diablo_rojo | separate tool would be nicer. | 19:55 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I don't know the state of the art either | 19:55 |
| dhellmann | I mean I would have thought the URL to load a story would produce HTML that includes the story | 19:55 |
| dhellmann | rather than JS to fetch the story details after loading | 19:56 |
| fungi | i mean, we could easily(?) just periodically dump the whole data set and render static versions with the redirecting juice embedded | 19:56 |
| dhellmann | right, that's what I was thinking, too | 19:56 |
| diablo_rojo | We had been tentatively planning making a new repo storyboard-tools | 19:56 |
| diablo_rojo | This could live there? | 19:56 |
| fungi | seems reasonable | 19:56 |
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| diablo_rojo | 3 min left heads up | 19:57 |
| fungi | that "dump the content to flat files" feels really inelegant though. i have a hard time believing that's how, say, forum apps which are browser-side rendered accomplish things | 19:57 |
| * diablo_rojo will move the creation of that repo higher on her todo list | 19:57 | |
| dhellmann | I wonder if they're doing agent-string identification | 19:57 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, yeah I would agree | 19:57 |
| fungi | but maybe i'll pull a mordred and implement the ugly solution so that it will anger someone enough they ragecode the right one | 19:57 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 19:58 |
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| diablo_rojo | ++ :) | 19:58 |
| dhellmann | get it working; get it working right; get it working fast | 19:58 |
| fungi | it's a viable tactic | 19:58 |
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| * fungi did not mean to insult but rather compliment mordred's sensibilities in these matters ;) | 19:59 | |
| diablo_rojo | Out of time to go through other blocking things this week. | 20:00 |
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| diablo_rojo | But I think we all have enough things to work on for now. | 20:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks for coming fungi and dhellmann :) | 20:00 |
| diablo_rojo | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 11 20:00:38 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-04-11-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-04-11-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-04-11-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
| fungi | it was a great meeting. thanks diablo_rojo! | 20:00 |
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| * diablo_rojo goes to nap a little more- pattern has been meeting sleep meeting meeting sleep meeting | 20:01 | |
| fungi | g'luck! | 20:01 |
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| diablo_rojo | Now that I've said that I might just eat and work more instead | 20:02 |
| fungi | right, i mean, who needs sleep, really? | 20:02 |
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| diablo_rojo | fungi, cumulatively I've gotten like 7 hours I think | 20:05 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #starmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:00 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| acoles | here | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hello | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:01 |
| timburke | #startmeeting swift | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 11 21:01:24 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is timburke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:01 |
| notmyname | lol, thanks | 21:01 |
| torgomatic | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
| rledisez_ | hi o/ | 21:01 |
| timburke | oh dear, wait... now *i'm* the chair... i don't know that i'm ready for the responsibility! | 21:02 |
| notmyname | agenda this week is just a bit of catch-up of ongoing work | 21:02 |
| notmyname | timburke: I think it just means you're the only one who can endmeeting. maybe topics, too. but I don't think we need those this week | 21:02 |
| notmyname | first up, https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1755554 is still open and has an unreviewed patch at patch 555245 | 21:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1755554 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Percent signs in object names cause trouble for versioned_writes" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Kota Tsuyuzaki (tsuyuzaki-kota) | 21:03 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555245/ - swift - Fix versioned writes error with url-encoded object... | 21:03 |
| notmyname | there's not a particular question associated with that right now. just something that needs to be landed by the time we do a release | 21:03 |
| notmyname | if you have some time to do a review, that's a good one to do | 21:03 |
| notmyname | kota_: how's feature/s3api looking? seems to me that all the patches have landed! | 21:04 |
| kota_ | notmyname: true | 21:04 |
| notmyname | that's great news | 21:04 |
| kota_ | i just push +A on the last patch yesterday | 21:04 |
| notmyname | so, from your perspective, it's ready to be merged to master? | 21:04 |
| kota_ | yes. if i don't forget anything needed. | 21:05 |
| kota_ | :P | 21:05 |
| notmyname | heh, ok :-) | 21:05 |
| notmyname | here's what I want to do about that... | 21:05 |
| notmyname | for now, kota_ please do not make the merge commit proposal. I will do that | 21:05 |
| notmyname | I talked to tdasilva about it earlier today (he's not available during the meeting today) | 21:05 |
| notmyname | and I talked with you, kota_, about it some last week | 21:06 |
| notmyname | I want to talk to several other people first, about how we can land this and when we should, given the oncoming feature/deep merge plans | 21:06 |
| notmyname | kota_: I'll do all this before the end of this week, and I'll let you know what everyone thinks | 21:07 |
| kota_ | ok | 21:07 |
| kota_ | ok | 21:07 |
| notmyname | then we'll make the merge commit (or not) and have the appropriate people lined up to review | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | so for everyone who's not kota_, I'll likely be asking you about the feature/s3api merge sometime in the next couple of days :-) | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | next up... torgomatic has been doing some good work improving the performance of the reconstructor and replicators | 21:09 |
| notmyname | his work is a patch tree rooted at patch 555563 | 21:09 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555563/ - swift - Multiprocess object replicator | 21:09 |
| notmyname | after talking with acoles and timburke this week, turns out that this work could really benefit the feature/deep work | 21:09 |
| notmyname | if not for pure performance reasons, at least to reduct merge conflicts | 21:10 |
| notmyname | and I believe clayg has reviewed some | 21:10 |
| notmyname | please help torgomatic with some reviews there. and please start at the beginning of the patch chain instead of somewhere in the middle :-) | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | So have i | 21:10 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: anything to add there? | 21:10 |
| torgomatic | just that there's a follow-up commit to clean up a few things, so also look at ... | 21:10 |
| torgomatic | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/559872 | 21:11 |
| patchbot | patch 559872 - swift - Cleanups for multiprocess object replicator | 21:11 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks! I didn't mean to forget you :-) | 21:11 |
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| mattoliverau | Nah that's ok. There some good improvements. | 21:11 |
| torgomatic | I'm fine with combining the patches or merging both. There's nothing badly broken in the first one, just some minor issues. | 21:11 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:12 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:12 |
| notmyname | acoles: timburke: what's the good word with feature/deep this week? | 21:12 |
| timburke | it takes a while to work with large containers :-/ | 21:13 |
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| mattoliverau | :( | 21:13 |
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| kota_ | :/ | 21:13 |
| notmyname | I think acoles is stubling over the word "good" in my question :-) | 21:13 |
| acoles | heh | 21:14 |
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| timburke | i had a 145M row db i was identifying shard ranges in. with no swift processes running, it took ~12 minutes | 21:14 |
| acoles | notmyname: lots of progress, lots of patches | 21:14 |
| mattoliverau | Faster then the last poc :p | 21:14 |
| timburke | with container server and all background processes running, it was ~90 minutes | 21:14 |
| timburke | ...and then swift-manage-shard-ranges failed to insert them (or even create a shard ranges table) because the db was locked. so i need to get something going for that | 21:15 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:16 |
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| acoles | notmyname: the stated plan is to propose to master soon - I assume we'll follow previous pattern of using a final review branch? | 21:16 |
| notmyname | originally, we'd planned to propose a merge commit next week | 21:16 |
| mattoliverau | If we can skip the offset some more it might speed things up... But that isn't easy. Or at least obvious for me. | 21:16 |
| notmyname | acoles: yes, same pattern | 21:17 |
| notmyname | I'll handle the branch as needed | 21:18 |
| notmyname | I don't want to press you too much on a "is it ready" question, but how are you feeling about it? | 21:19 |
| notmyname | your not-so-rapid response worries me :-) | 21:20 |
| acoles | it's not ready yet. I've been wittling down the high priority items on backlog, there's a few still there, plus whatever we learn from timburke's expereinces | 21:20 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:20 |
| notmyname | my perspective is that while we have dates imposed on us at times by our employers (for this or other features), we should not release something that isn't ready. if it's not ready, that's ok, and we'll make sure it's ready before we release it | 21:21 |
| acoles | I'm trying to focus on stuff that is best to be settled and stable before proposing | 21:21 |
| notmyname | it's better to know that sooner than later, and I can handle any fallout that happens because we missed a date we ourselves set for ourselves | 21:22 |
| acoles | vs 'minor' stuff that we can add in during review | 21:22 |
| notmyname | acoles: and this week I'll try to balance the two sides of "is it done yet?" and "leave me alone john, or it will never get done" :-) | 21:23 |
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| acoles | notmyname: the goal was that April 16th would be the *earliest* and I'm confident we'll satisfy that goal :) | 21:23 |
| notmyname | great! good news, everyone! | 21:23 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:23 |
| notmyname | rledisez_: I saw a golang patch from alex today | 21:24 |
| notmyname | rledisez_: anything to share on LOSF? | 21:24 |
| rledisez_ | this patch, it's not useful on its own, but the python code should follow in one or two weeks. alex want to do some clean up before pushing python | 21:25 |
| rledisez_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/560480 | 21:25 |
| patchbot | patch 560480 - swift - Initial LOSF RPC commit | 21:25 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:25 |
| rledisez_ | we are converting right now a complete cluster. should be done in about 20 days | 21:25 |
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| notmyname | wow | 21:25 |
| rledisez_ | so we will have real prod result on 3 weeks :) | 21:25 |
| torgomatic | yeah, I took a look at the LOSF one, and it'll be a lot more interesting with some Python code | 21:25 |
| notmyname | cool | 21:25 |
| torgomatic | right now it's like "here's a bunch of RPC methods you could call if you want to" | 21:26 |
| rledisez_ | torgomatic: exactly. not much fun ;) | 21:26 |
| torgomatic | :) | 21:26 |
| notmyname | I know how much every one here loves meetings, so I'm sorry to say I've got to stop in 3 minutes. but is there anything else to bring up from anyone? | 21:27 |
| notmyname | ah ha! but it's timburke who's the chair and has to do the endmeeting thing! so he can go All. Day. Long. | 21:27 |
| timburke | mwahahaha | 21:27 |
| mattoliverau | The chair times out after some time then anyone can end it.. just can't remember the time limit... 30mins? An hour? | 21:29 |
| notmyname | nice failsafe | 21:29 |
| mattoliverau | Learnt that from all the spam start meetings a few months ago | 21:29 |
| notmyname | sounds like that's about it. thank you all for your work on swift | 21:29 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:30 |
| notmyname | nope. not me. not yet | 21:30 |
| mattoliverau | No not 30mins then :) | 21:30 |
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| mattoliverau | timburke: would you do the honours? | 21:30 |
| timburke | #endmeeting | 21:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 11 21:31:02 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-04-11-21.01.html | 21:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-04-11-21.01.txt | 21:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-04-11-21.01.log.html | 21:31 |
| notmyname | thansk :-) | 21:31 |
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