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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 02:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Apr 6 02:30:40 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:30 |
| ekcs | hi all! | 02:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: congressteammeeting)" | 02:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 02:30 |
| ekcs | back for another meeting =) | 02:30 |
| ekcs | topics are here as usual: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 02:31 |
| ekcs | please read/comment/add | 02:31 |
| masahito | hi | 02:31 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: hi | 02:32 |
| ramineni_ | masahito: hi | 02:32 |
| masahito | ramineni_: hi | 02:32 |
| ekcs | hi masahito =) | 02:33 |
| ekcs | hi ramineni_ =) | 02:33 |
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| ekcs | how are things? | 02:33 |
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| ekcs | well hope everone’s doing well. let’s dive in then. | 02:36 |
| ekcs | #topic gate | 02:36 |
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| ekcs | gate is failing since oslo.config upper constraint got bumped to 6.0.1 and changed something that the cfgvalidator depends on. | 02:36 |
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| ekcs | I took a stab at it, but so far haven't fixed it. | 02:36 |
| ekcs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/559206/ | 02:36 |
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| ekcs | anything to talk about there? | 02:37 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: oh , may be you could add peirre to the patch, he might be able to help | 02:37 |
| ekcs | yea I’ll add/ping him at some point. Thanks | 02:38 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: cfgvalidator seems to break very frequently , tightly coupled with oslo.config | 02:38 |
| ekcs | yea that’s unfortunate. I may ask pierre if there are ways to improve that aspect of things. | 02:39 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: ya , ok | 02:40 |
| ekcs | anything else? | 02:40 |
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| ekcs | ok moving on then. | 02:40 |
| ekcs | #topic monasca push | 02:40 |
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| ekcs | ramineni_: I have a couple discussion points on monasca push. is this a good time to talk about it? or maybe wait till it’s made open? | 02:41 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: ok, we can discuss | 02:41 |
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| ekcs | ok then. the main question is how the alarms get deleted. | 02:42 |
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| ekcs | does monasca send a notification for alarm deactivate? | 02:42 |
| ekcs | or does congress side auto delete things? | 02:42 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: its a notification genrally , they wont get stored , they just send the notification to who all activated it , monasca doesnt do any store anything related to that | 02:43 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: thats the case with all notifications right | 02:43 |
| ekcs | right. | 02:44 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: IMO , notifications wont get stored at source , its up to the receiver what to do with them , ignore or take action | 02:44 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: so once evaluated , it wont be of use | 02:44 |
| ekcs | Right so that’s what I’m trying to understand. | 02:44 |
| ekcs | 1. does monasca send notification on deactivate? | 02:44 |
| ramineni_ | no | 02:44 |
| ekcs | got it. | 02:45 |
| ekcs | 2. what does congress do with the notifications? | 02:45 |
| ramineni_ | execute actions , | 02:45 |
| ramineni_ | invoking nova /.. api | 02:45 |
| ramineni_ | depending on policy | 02:45 |
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| ekcs | right. but there’s a step before that. policy trigger execute actions based on the rows in tables. | 02:46 |
| ekcs | so congress must create rows based on notifications right? | 02:46 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: yes | 02:46 |
| ekcs | so it’s: when a notification is received, delete all pre-existing rows and create new rows based on only the latest notification? | 02:46 |
| ramineni_ | so im thinking of PUT , single row or set of rows , they get evaluated , and respective actions would take place, after that there is no use of that data | 02:46 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: right , i could think of only that usecase | 02:47 |
| ekcs | hmm I see. | 02:48 |
| ekcs | do you know how that mechanism interacts with the existing polling mechanism in monasca driver? | 02:48 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: means | 02:48 |
| ekcs | from what I understand we already have polled data on the alarms table. | 02:49 |
| ekcs | do both mechanisms go to the same table? | 02:49 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: no, we havent added any interaction bw poll , and webook nitification , policies were based on notification data alone | 02:50 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: may be i can check that and get back | 02:50 |
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| ekcs | i see. so the webhook notifications go to a new table. | 02:50 |
| ekcs | ok. | 02:50 |
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| ramineni_ | yes, ill check if there is any overlap | 02:50 |
| ekcs | ok. well one last question i think. | 02:51 |
| ekcs | monasca webhook does a POST right? how do you guys plan to handle it? | 02:51 |
| ekcs | 1. add POST api to congress side for receiving the push? | 02:51 |
| ekcs | 2. change what monasca does into PUT or something else? | 02:51 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: we changed to PUT at monasca end | 02:51 |
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| ramineni_ | downstream | 02:52 |
| ekcs | I see…. at PTG it sounded like gmann is interested in upstreaming. is he the point person on that effort or someone else? | 02:52 |
| ekcs | seems like changing from POST to PUT isn’t what monasca side would want in their upstream code. | 02:53 |
| ramineni_ | but for monasca push to work , there are couple of changes to be done at monasca level too , but for this it can be done , using POST at congress end also , because its a new resource everytime , so post makes sense | 02:53 |
| ekcs | yea I think POST makes sense. | 02:53 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: right | 02:54 |
| ekcs | ok well. thanks this is helpful. | 02:54 |
| ekcs | I’d like to help if possible. | 02:54 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: sure, thanks | 02:54 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: regarding generic push | 02:54 |
| ekcs | ok | 02:54 |
| ekcs | #topic generic push | 02:55 |
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| gmann | ekcs: yea we have plan of that and ramineni_ will be doing it along with some other members. | 02:55 |
| ekcs | gmann: awesome thanks for chiming in! I’d love to stay in the loop. | 02:56 |
| gmann | sure | 02:56 |
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| ekcs | thanks gmann | 02:56 |
| ekcs | ramineni_: you were saying about generic push? | 02:57 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: regarding PATCH operation , i read your comment | 02:57 |
| ekcs | btw masahito you might have helpful expertise here given your push driver experience. we’re making generic push driver. | 02:57 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: you are right about my concern , that if we use patch , how do we handle the stale data | 02:57 |
| ekcs | ramineni_: ok | 02:58 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: right, masahito : your comments would be helpful on the spec, we are debating on that for long time :) | 02:58 |
| masahito | got it. | 02:58 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: so you meant , if ppl use geenric push , its the source resposiblity to delete the data again? | 02:59 |
| masahito | From my experience, PATCH looks useful but is also painful solution :-) | 02:59 |
| ekcs | ramineni_: yes that’s what I intended. It seemed like the only sensible way to be generic. | 03:00 |
| ekcs | some data needs to be deleted. some don’t. depending on the data and the situation. | 03:00 |
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| ekcs | a generic driver can’t make that decision. but it should give tools to make it easy for source/deployer to control behavior. | 03:01 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: but in most cases, will it be possible at source end to maintain all the data pushed to congress, and delete the same everytime, push generally used for immediate evaluation , so i doubt source end have that data stored | 03:01 |
| ramineni_ | masahito: could you add more, evalautaing whole data again in case of patch , would cause erroneous behaviour? | 03:03 |
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| ekcs | ramineni_: then in that case I guess something else/extra is needed. PUT can be used if they never want previous data to persist. | 03:03 |
| ekcs | if they want some previous data to persist and be used but not past a certain time, then timestampting works. | 03:04 |
| ekcs | vitrage works this way though: it sends notifications on all CHANGE. both alarm activate and alarm deactivate. | 03:04 |
| ekcs | so until we receive alarm deactivate, a previous alarm activate is still good. | 03:05 |
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| ekcs | if I remember correctly from masahito zabbix works similarly. | 03:05 |
| masahito | As we discussed, someone needs to take care of deleting the row in case of patch. | 03:05 |
| masahito | If no one take care it, there're lots of "noise" rows in the table. | 03:06 |
| ekcs | masahito: right makes sense. | 03:06 |
| masahito | On the other hands, PUT also has Pros/Cons | 03:07 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: masahito: ok, may be we should clearly document that , when to use PATCH and PUT nd their use cases, so that end users will gain from both | 03:07 |
| ramineni_ | and clear that when to use what operation | 03:08 |
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| masahito | sorry, less activities in gerrit. I'll write the details in the patch. | 03:08 |
| masahito | ah. patch means a patch on gerrit :-) | 03:08 |
| ekcs | hahaha. | 03:09 |
| ramineni_ | masahito: thanks, that would be helpful :) | 03:09 |
| ekcs | thanks masahito | 03:09 |
| ramineni_ | more opinions , make the solution better :) | 03:09 |
| ekcs | I’ve been thinking about the whole generic issue on a broader level. | 03:09 |
| ekcs | congress is based on tables and rows. | 03:10 |
| ekcs | some sources can be configured to send what congress needs. | 03:10 |
| ekcs | but many sources are fixed and send what they send. | 03:10 |
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| ekcs | it’s difficult to have a one solution for everyhing because the translation from the notifications into ultimately the rows congress needs is different in each case. | 03:12 |
| ekcs | not just schema different, but fundamentally different. | 03:12 |
| ekcs | some sources send only add. | 03:12 |
| ekcs | some sources send all changes. | 03:13 |
| ekcs | some sources send notifications that don’t correspond to add and deletes at all. | 03:13 |
| ekcs | the desired translation from notification into congress state is different in each case. | 03:14 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: right | 03:15 |
| ekcs | maybe the best way to handle it is for congress to represent exactly what is sent, not try to translate into state. | 03:15 |
| ekcs | so instead of an alarms table. | 03:16 |
| ekcs | we have instead a notifications table. | 03:16 |
| ekcs | and then it’s up to the policy writer to do useful things with the notifications table, including writing the policy needed to translate to state. | 03:16 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: means , im not sure i got what you meant | 03:17 |
| ekcs | basically instead of trying to put the customization in the driver, put the customization in the policy. | 03:17 |
| ekcs | ok yea it’s a bit vague now. i’ll need to make it more concrete. i’ll share later. | 03:18 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: ok | 03:18 |
| ekcs | ok well any other topics for now? =p | 03:19 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: reviews on driver loading part would be help, almost completed | 03:19 |
| ekcs | ok great. | 03:20 |
| ekcs | I’ve reviewed the main patch. | 03:21 |
| ekcs | but you’re talking about this one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546496/ | 03:21 |
| ekcs | and thin one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558780/ | 03:21 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: ya, added soltion for custom ones also, it works fine , WIP because need to add unit tests | 03:21 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: yes | 03:22 |
| ekcs | great I’ll take a look. | 03:22 |
| ekcs | thanks! | 03:22 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: thanks | 03:22 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: thats it from my side | 03:22 |
| ekcs | ok then. | 03:22 |
| ekcs | I don’t have anything else either. | 03:22 |
| ekcs | oh. | 03:22 |
| ekcs | I can’t figure out why importing from mistral_tempest_plugin fails here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/538336/ | 03:23 |
| ekcs | I think I did al lthe proper setup. | 03:24 |
| ekcs | if anyone has hints it’d be great =) | 03:24 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: sure, will have a look at it today | 03:24 |
| ekcs | thanks! | 03:24 |
| ekcs | ok well let’s end then if nothing else. | 03:24 |
| ekcs | thanks everyone! | 03:25 |
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| ramineni_ | Thanks All, Bye | 03:25 |
| ekcs | thanks ramineni_ | 03:25 |
| ekcs | bye all. | 03:25 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 03:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Apr 6 03:25:57 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-04-06-02.30.html | 03:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-04-06-02.30.txt | 03:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-04-06-02.30.log.html | 03:26 |
| masahito | bye | 03:26 |
| ekcs | bye masahito good to have you! | 03:27 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Apr 6 14:00:28 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | Hi! | 14:01 |
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| amotoki | hi | 14:04 |
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| mlavalle | hi amotoki | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | let's give yamamoto a few minutes | 14:05 |
| mlavalle | I know haleyb has a medical appointment today | 14:05 |
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| mlavalle | so he may not make it to the meeting | 14:05 |
| yamamoto | hi | 14:05 |
| yamamoto | sorry for being late | 14:05 |
| mlavalle | np | 14:06 |
| mlavalle | we have quorum today, so let's get going | 14:06 |
| mlavalle | These are the triaged bugs we have today: | 14:07 |
| mlavalle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=rfe-triaged | 14:07 |
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| mlavalle | First one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1715386 | 14:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1715386 in neutron "[RFE]Support routing traffic based on subnet" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to zhaobo (zhaobo6) | 14:08 |
| mlavalle | I see that the submitter uploaded a new revision of the spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/523658 | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | That was last week. I didn't have time to go over it. Did you have time to look at it? | 14:09 |
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| yamamoto | i haven't noticed the new rev. i need to read. | 14:10 |
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| amotoki | I haven't looked thru it yet. I need to refresh my memory on this. | 14:10 |
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| amotoki | how is it going in general? | 14:11 |
| mlavalle | progress has been slow | 14:11 |
| mlavalle | since Dublin | 14:11 |
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| mlavalle | I propose we take the homework of going through the latest revision of the spec and we discuss it next week | 14:12 |
| mlavalle | does that work? | 14:12 |
| amotoki | +1 | 14:12 |
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| yamamoto | sounds good, except that i will be away next week :-) | 14:12 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: ah, yeah. going anywhere fun? | 14:13 |
| yamamoto | midokura barcelona. i'm not sure it will be fun. | 14:13 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: if you have time before leaving for vacation, please leave your comments in the spec | 14:13 |
| mlavalle | Barcelona can be enjoyable anyways, so try to have fun! | 14:14 |
| amotoki | yamamoto: enjoy your trip and barcerona! | 14:14 |
| yamamoto | it's unlikely but if i have time, sure | 14:14 |
| amotoki | it might be mixed in business and vacation though :) | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | and amotoki is an expert doing that. I understand he had a great time in Dublin, snowstorm notwithstanding | 14:15 |
| amotoki | :) | 14:16 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 14:16 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1723026 | 14:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1723026 in neutron "[RFE]Support get device_ids from floatingips" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Hongbin Lu (hongbin.lu) | 14:16 |
| amotoki | IIRC I need to comment yamamoto's suggestion, but I failed to have time to comment it | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | Yeah, he proposed to have a new /ip_address resource | 14:18 |
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| mlavalle | on my employer side, the idea was shared with the team and was well received | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | if yamamoto's suggestion is accepted by the community, we would be happy to go with it | 14:19 |
| amotoki | yamamoto: in your idea of /ip_address resource, how is IP address overlapping handled? | 14:20 |
| amotoki | is it scoped into a project? | 14:20 |
| yamamoto | i don't know :-) | 14:21 |
| mlavalle | LOL | 14:21 |
| mlavalle | it probably should | 14:21 |
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| amotoki | I am wondering how we can handle this RFE and /ip_address resource idea, together or separately. | 14:22 |
| amotoki | In my understanding, the idea of /ip_address is to allow users to query IP address detail regardless of fixed or floating IP, right? | 14:22 |
| mlavalle | Right | 14:23 |
| amotoki | thanks for the input. | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | Maybe we can add as a comment to the RFE the discussion we had a couple of weeks ago (and also this week) and then let the submitter further develop it | 14:24 |
| amotoki | yeah, I will comment it this week. | 14:24 |
| amotoki | also we need to add some links to the meeting logs | 14:24 |
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| mlavalle | yeah, we probably need to flesh it out a little bit in the RFE | 14:25 |
| hongbin_ | I also feel that the idea of /ip-address has a much broader scope of the original RFE, handle it separately might be better | 14:25 |
| amotoki | hongbin_: tend to agree with you. | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | hongbin_: would you help us flesh it out in a separte RFE? | 14:26 |
| hongbin_ | mlavalle: yes, I can try | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | hongbin_: great! my concern wasn't as much the RFEs itself. it was rather how to give continuity to the idea. | 14:27 |
| mlavalle | The other point then is, what do we do with the current RFE? | 14:27 |
| mlavalle | do we close it and point to the new one? | 14:28 |
| hongbin_ | one option is to follow amotoki's idea to add port detailed information to the floating ip resource with an API extension | 14:28 |
| mlavalle | close it after amotoki's comments maybe? | 14:28 |
| mlavalle | hongbin_: yeah, that is an option too | 14:29 |
| amotoki | mlavalle: does 'close' mean 'approved' or 'superseded by others'? | 14:29 |
| mlavalle | amotoki: when I wrote my comment, I was thinking "superseded' | 14:29 |
| amotoki | my understanding is that this RFE would like to provide more information on associated port. | 14:30 |
| mlavalle | but maybe, as hongbin_ suggested, not necessarily. we can follow your comment in #18 | 14:30 |
| amotoki | so it sounds reasonable to provide more information | 14:30 |
| hongbin_ | yes, we have two RFEs, one RFE is for adding information to /floatingip resource, the other RFE is for introducing the /ip-address endpoint | 14:31 |
| amotoki | it allows us to do like "openstack floating ip show <IP>" to get port detail | 14:31 |
| mlavalle | yeah that makes sense | 14:31 |
| mlavalle | so maybe we approve this one and let hongbin_ propose the new one | 14:33 |
| mlavalle | would that work? | 14:33 |
| amotoki | works for me. | 14:33 |
| hongbin_ | +1 | 14:33 |
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| amotoki | hongbin_: btw, do you mean 'resource' by 'endpoint'? | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: what do you think? | 14:35 |
| yamamoto | the sole purpose of this rfe is to save the number of api calls, right? | 14:35 |
| hongbin_ | amotoki: yes :) | 14:35 |
| amotoki | yamamoto: that's my understanding. | 14:36 |
| yamamoto | i wonder if there will be a trade off. | 14:36 |
| amotoki | there are two point: (1) more detail on port for a specific IP address and (2) to provide an easy way to query resources by IP address | 14:36 |
| yamamoto | i.e. returning more stuff might make the call slower | 14:37 |
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| hongbin_ | yes, this is a good point | 14:37 |
| mlavalle | but currently we return port data anyways | 14:37 |
| amotoki | good point. i think it depends on how two resources are coupled tightly | 14:37 |
| hongbin_ | one option is to introduce a config to disable this behavior | 14:38 |
| mlavalle | I think we are retrieving the port anyway. sending the device_id of the port in the response won't add much | 14:38 |
| amotoki | it is potentially confusing if API behavior changes depending on a config | 14:38 |
| yamamoto | mlavalle: which port data? | 14:38 |
| hongbin_ | amotoki: yes, agree with that | 14:39 |
| amotoki | yamamoto: as an operator, when we look up FIP, we usually query a port associated with that FIP, so I think it is a reasonable compromise to include a port data in a FIP response. | 14:40 |
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| amotoki | we can discuss whether we will return extended attributes though as it needs more db joined query. | 14:42 |
| yamamoto | if it's common for the API user to query the port anyway, i have no problem with the rfe. (i don't know if it's so common) | 14:42 |
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| mlavalle | in this case, the specific interest of the RFE is to return the device_id, which is in the Port table | 14:43 |
| mlavalle | so no extended attributes would be needed | 14:43 |
| hongbin_ | yes, the cost is possibly an addition 'join' | 14:43 |
| amotoki | I agree device_id is most interesting field. in most cases, we would like to know which server is associated. | 14:44 |
| mlavalle | exactly | 14:44 |
| mlavalle | in the L3 code this is where we get the fip: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/db/l3_db.py#L1047 | 14:44 |
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| amotoki | yeah, if we go to this route, the next question would be whether _get_floatingip() should fetch a port or FIP.get_object() should do it. | 14:46 |
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| amotoki | in other words, it is in API layer only vs in the object layer, but it might be beyond the RFE scope. | 14:48 |
| yamamoto | ideally we can make the rest api powerful enough to represent a join :-) | 14:48 |
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| hongbin_ | we could have a query parameter called --extra-info, then neutron server can read this parameter and do a 'join' with the Port table | 14:49 |
| mlavalle | I personally think it is not much extra overhead | 14:51 |
| hongbin_ | yes, possibly | 14:51 |
| mlavalle | Looking at the FIP OVO code https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/objects/router.py#L232 | 14:51 |
| mlavalle | we already do enough joins there with port for this to make much of a difference | 14:52 |
| mlavalle | case in point https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/objects/router.py#L282 | 14:52 |
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| yamamoto | get_scoped_floating_ips is for l3 agent rpc, not for the rest api, right? | 14:53 |
| mlavalle | yeah, you may be right | 14:54 |
| amotoki | yes, it is for l3-agent, but the number of l3-agent calls tend to be more than the number of API calls. | 14:54 |
| amotoki | so I don't think it introduces extra much cost | 14:55 |
| mlavalle | yeah, me neither | 14:55 |
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| yamamoto | if you have l3 agents, it might be. | 14:55 |
| mlavalle | especially if we limit this to just the attributes in the Port table | 14:55 |
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| amotoki | agree | 14:56 |
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| mlavalle | which addresses the needs of the current RFE | 14:56 |
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| -amotoki- time check: 3min | 14:57 | |
| mlavalle | I say +1 on the RFE | 14:57 |
| amotoki | me too | 14:57 |
| hongbin_ | +1 | 14:57 |
| yamamoto | honestly, i can't say if the cost matters or not without having numbers. | 14:57 |
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| mlavalle | so let's move ahead with it | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | scoping it to the attributes in the Port's table | 14:58 |
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| mlavalle | ok, cool | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | we ran out of time | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | great discussion | 14:59 |
| amotoki | at least we can say FIP API (even with Port joined query) would less cost compared to network or port APIs | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | the discussion is the point of this meeting | 14:59 |
| amotoki | :) | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | See you next week | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Apr 6 15:00:07 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-04-06-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-04-06-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-04-06-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: enjoy your trip to Barcelona! | 15:00 |
| amotoki | thanks all | 15:00 |
| yamamoto | thank you | 15:00 |
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| hongbin_ | thanks | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Apr 6 15:00:37 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| annabelleB | o/ | 15:00 |
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| ttx | o/ | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | Ping dhellmann, dims, fungi, tonyb, lbragstad, ttx, armstrong, annabelleB | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-relmgt-tracking Agenda | 15:01 |
| armstrong | Hello | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | ~line 77 | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | My internet connection has been a bit flakey this morning, so just in case... | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | #chair dhellmann | 15:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dhellmann smcginnis | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | #chair ttx | 15:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dhellmann smcginnis ttx | 15:02 |
| knikolla | o/ | 15:02 |
| edmondsw | o/ | 15:02 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Review days | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review days (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:02 | |
| smcginnis | I just wanted to quick bring this up. | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | We had picked days in Queens, but we ran out of time in Dublin before we got around to that for Rocku. | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | y | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | I've been basically sticking to what it was, but reviewing more here and there. | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-relmgt-plan | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | I keep intending to review on Mondays, but someone keeps approving all of the requests before I get to them | 15:04 |
| * dhellmann looks pointedly at smcginnis | 15:04 | |
| smcginnis | Hah! :) | 15:04 |
| ttx | smcginnis does indeed steal reviews | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | If Monday's work better for you, I can pick a different day. | 15:04 |
| ttx | probably a stackalytics thing | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | At the bottom of the plan etherpad is the list. | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | LOL, totally padding those stats. :D | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | hey, worked for me ;-) | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | I can take tuesday | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Feel free to swap our names if that is better for you. | 15:05 |
| ttx | smcginnis: 10 more and you beat EmilienM | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | and I can pitch in on other days if you like | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : nah, it doesn't matter, I just didn't realize we'd changed up. | 15:05 |
| ttx | and here I thought nobody could beat AJaeger | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | what's up? | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | any day works fine for me | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Ooh, now I'm really going to have to devote some review time. | 15:06 |
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| ttx | EmilienM: you're just at the other end of a joke we run on smcginnis , sorry for the spurious notification | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | I think AJaeger is untouchable. ;) | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | when we create the award for "most reviews" we'll have to call it the Jaeger Meister award | 15:06 |
| ttx | EmilienM: if you don't want that, stop reviewing so much stuff | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | ttx: I just fix typos with a bash script | 15:07 |
| ttx | dhellmann: slow clap | 15:07 |
| evrardjp | dhellmann: haha | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | that's my job | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: ++! | 15:07 |
| ttx | the trick is we really don't want such an award | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | very true | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | Just like jaeger miester | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | rename readme.rst to README.rst can be very tricky | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | but I had to make the joke :-) | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : ha! | 15:07 |
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| smcginnis | ttx: Are you able to have a designated review day, or should we fill in where we can? | 15:08 |
| ttx | to be fair, EmilienM AJaeger mwhahaha and smcginnis have consistently been #1-4 in total reviews | 15:08 |
| ttx | for like 4 cycles | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | Oh really. Now I need to take a look. | 15:09 |
| ttx | so it's probably not a random thing | 15:09 |
| ttx | 3 cycles. In Ocata that damn stevemar made #4 | 15:10 |
| ttx | that was a tangent, sorry | 15:10 |
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| smcginnis | :) | 15:10 |
| ttx | friday afternoon, beer, etc | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | Hah! | 15:11 |
| ttx | so yes I'm up for keeping Wednesdays | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | noted in the etherpad | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | Cool, thanks. | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | Thursday can just be whoever can get to them until we get another core I guess. :) | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | #topic Team availability around r-1 week | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Team availability around r-1 week (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:11 | |
| smcginnis | ttx: Is there an issue here? Holiday month concerns? | 15:12 |
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| smcginnis | R-1 (Aug 20 - Aug 24) [ r-finalrc ] | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | R-0 (Aug 27 - Aug 31) [ r-release, r-trailing-rc ] | 15:12 |
| ttx | no, rocky-1 | 15:12 |
| ttx | we are both away | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | 2 weeks from now the first milestone | 15:13 |
| ttx | wanted to flag to dhellmann | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | Oh, milestone 1. | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | yeah, thanks for the heads-up | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | I can try to make sure I'm around | 15:13 |
| ttx | smcginnis: I'll be in Florence. What's YOUR excuse ? | 15:13 |
| ttx | Also, I blame flaper87 | 15:13 |
| ttx | Always a safe bet | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | Oh, chaperoning a group of high school students in Chicago. I may need a good excuse to sit quietly in a corner with my laptop, so probably not an issue. | 15:14 |
| smcginnis | And I'm just out Thursday/Friday, so hopefully most of the fun is over by then. | 15:14 |
| ttx | ok so we should have critical mass around | 15:14 |
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| smcginnis | Yep, I do plan on at least checking in as I can. | 15:15 |
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| smcginnis | First milestone is usually pretty tame anyway I think. | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | Well, except when your entire infrastructure changes out and breaks things. :) | 15:15 |
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| dhellmann | yes, let's try not doing that this cycle | 15:16 |
| evrardjp | :D | 15:16 |
| * smcginnis crosses fingers | 15:16 | |
| evrardjp | I heard zuul v4 is gonna be great | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | #topic Progress converting RelMgt rocky plan into a StoryBoard board | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Progress converting RelMgt rocky plan into a StoryBoard board (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:16 | |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: Hah! | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | where did we come down on tagging for the milestone if projects don't? | 15:16 |
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| smcginnis | I don't think we pushed it until later last cycle. | 15:17 |
| ttx | i think we said we'd force it | 15:17 |
| ttx | ah hm | 15:17 |
| smcginnis | Maybe we should catch those right away this time around and press the issue. | 15:17 |
| ttx | well no then | 15:17 |
| evrardjp | isn't there a risk if we do it automatically that nobody will care and nobody will request releases anymore ? | 15:17 |
| smcginnis | #topic Tagging for missing projects | 15:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tagging for missing projects (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:18 | |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: Yeah, I do think that is a concern. | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | We ideally want everything driven by the projects. | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | right, that's why we haven't done it before | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | With the release team just here to help. | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | however, some teams keep missing the early ones | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | dhellmann: do we know why? | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | mostly they seem to forget | 15:19 |
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| dhellmann | it feels like it's correlated with a PTL's first term, but I haven't run numbers | 15:19 |
| smcginnis | I will try to highlight the issue in the next release countdown email, but I think the ones that miss the milestones are not the ones reading those. | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | right | 15:20 |
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| dhellmann | I feel like we agreed what to do, I just don't remember | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | did we write it down in dublin? | 15:20 |
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| smcginnis | Probably early the following week we should take inventory of who missed and try to reach out to those PTLs directly. | 15:20 |
| evrardjp | smcginnis: manual ping to remember to read this email? | 15:20 |
| * smcginnis scans rocky-relmgt-plan | 15:20 | |
| evrardjp | asking ack | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | line 70 of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-relmgt-plan | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: I was thinking "hey, you missed the deadline. THis is important. Please let us know your situation." kind of thing. | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | So a TODO for me. | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | Wish we would have expanded on those notes a little more. | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | did we announce that? | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | But I will start with that info in the countdown. | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | the change | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | Not really. :/ | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | I probably should have started bringing it up in this last countdown. | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | I'll see if I can draft a separate email specifically for this. | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | #action smcginnis to post to ML about missing milestone plan | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | Anything more we should discuss on that for now? | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | I don't see anything in the feb or mar archives | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | unless it was in a countdown email | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: What kind of thing? | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | an announcement of the change | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | No, I did not send anything. | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | But I will plan to now. | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | sounds good | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | #topic Progress converting RelMgt rocky plan into a StoryBoard board | 15:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Progress converting RelMgt rocky plan into a StoryBoard board (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:25 | |
| smcginnis | Speaking of things I should have done by now... | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | I have not put anything into storyboard from our rocky planning. | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | I thought we were each supposed to take our tasks? divide the work up? | 15:25 |
| ttx | I updated a number of things on the etherpad this morning and was wondering... | 15:26 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: That would be ideal I think. | 15:26 |
| ttx | I'd be fine with that | 15:26 |
| smcginnis | Each take the tasks with our names by them and add it. | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | I think I already did mine | 15:26 |
| smcginnis | Anything not assigned, I can go back through and try to clean up. | 15:26 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Cool, thanks. | 15:26 |
| ttx | dhellmann: under openstack/releases ? | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | ttx: blaming me is always a safe bet! :D | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yes | 15:27 |
| ttx | Also was wondering if we should build a common board | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/932 | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | sure, we could do that | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | I didn't go that far | 15:27 |
| ttx | like a "Rocky plan" board | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | I wasn't sure if we wanted to manage a worklist by hand or use tags to create a board that updates automatically | 15:27 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann, ttx: You two probably have more experience with that functionality in sb than I do. | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | I guess it depends on how many different items we have and how much we want to "track" the work | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | our list is usually not very long | 15:29 |
| ttx | I was thinking it was the only way to have a per-cycle plan there | 15:29 |
| ttx | and have HIGH TODO . TODO / InProgress / Backlog columns | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | ah, sure, if you want priority columns then a board is probably best | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | were you thinking we'd update it by hand? | 15:30 |
| ttx | move things around yes | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | oh, and I didn't import backlog items | 15:30 |
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| dhellmann | at least I don't think I did; I guess I would have if it had my name on it | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | so I could set up a board, unless smcginnis wants to use it as a learning opportunity :-) | 15:31 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: I probably do need to learn at some point, but if you can for now that would be appreciated. | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:31 |
| * dhellmann creates a story to create a board | 15:31 | |
| smcginnis | :) | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001793 | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | #topic | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:32 | |
| dhellmann | feel free to edit/add comments there | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | #topic Remove leftover stable/queens pre-release ACL | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Remove leftover stable/queens pre-release ACL (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:33 | |
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| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557733/ | 15:33 |
| ttx | oh that one was just to flag a standing review to fungi | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | OK, he mentioned he would be out during the meeting but back later. | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | So hopefully he sees this and takes a look. | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | Looks pretty straight forward. | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Did we finalize the thread about changing ACLs during RC? | 15:35 |
| ttx | yes | 15:35 |
| ttx | I just need to clean up ACLs now | 15:35 |
| smcginnis | OK, good. | 15:35 |
| ttx | which is dependent on that TC resolution | 15:36 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 15:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:36 | |
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| smcginnis | Anything else we should discuss in the meeting? | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | nothing from me | 15:37 |
| evrardjp | none | 15:38 |
| smcginnis | OK, we can get back to it then. Thanks everyone. | 15:38 |
| evrardjp | thx | 15:38 |
| annabelleB | bye! | 15:38 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 15:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:38 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Apr 6 15:38:46 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-04-06-15.00.html | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-04-06-15.00.txt | 15:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-04-06-15.00.log.html | 15:38 |
| armstrong | Bye | 15:39 |
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