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| zhiyuan | hello | 00:59 |
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| Yipei | hi | 00:59 |
| xuzhuang | hi | 00:59 |
| song | hi | 01:00 |
| zhiyuan | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 7 01:00:25 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhiyuan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 01:00 |
| zhiyuan | the openstack-wide goals for rocky has come out. there are two goals | 01:01 |
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| zhiyuan | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/rocky/enable-mutable-configuration.html | 01:01 |
| zhiyuan | and | 01:02 |
| zhiyuan | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/rocky/mox_removal.html | 01:02 |
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| zhiyuan | for the first goal, we need to support turning on/off debug logging without restarting tricircle services | 01:02 |
| song | this means we have the two bp in rocky version? | 01:03 |
| zhiyuan | and the second goal is to using mock instead of mox | 01:03 |
| zhiyuan | the second one is already done since we use mock from beginning | 01:04 |
| zhiyuan | the first need a bp | 01:05 |
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| song | that is good. | 01:06 |
| zhiyuan | "oslo.config and oslo.service have implemented basic functions" so we need to investigate how to use these functions | 01:07 |
| zhiyuan | both api and xmanager requires changes I think | 01:07 |
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| zhiyuan | anyone interested in finishing this goal? | 01:09 |
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| song | yes, i think we can add these to the rocky bp | 01:11 |
| song | we would like to do one. | 01:11 |
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| zhiyuan | great! please refer to the link for detailed info | 01:12 |
| song | is this link?https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/rocky/enable-mutable-configuration.html | 01:12 |
| Yipei | #link https://docs.openstack.org/oslo.config/latest/reference/mutable.html | 01:13 |
| zhiyuan | that's right | 01:13 |
| song | oh thanks. | 01:14 |
| song | do we need update the rocky bp? | 01:15 |
| zhiyuan | you mean submit a spec for the goal? | 01:16 |
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| zhiyuan | if the change is simple, I think just submit the code | 01:16 |
| song | I mean update the tricircle-queens-ptg to tricircle-rocky-ptg | 01:17 |
| song | so people can know how many work in rocky more clearly. | 01:17 |
| zhiyuan | oh I see, I will prepare one and share the link later | 01:18 |
| song | thank you! | 01:18 |
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| zhiyuan | song, is it feasible to catch 404 exception in local plugin instead of using "_delete" to query network? | 01:20 |
| zhiyuan | about the resource deleting patch | 01:20 |
| song | oh i reinstall devstack last day. | 01:20 |
| song | but have not finished. | 01:20 |
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| song | I will try test this today after I finished install the devstack. | 01:21 |
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| zhiyuan | ok, and Yipei, what about new l3 networking model? | 01:23 |
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| Yipei | trying routed network in real environment, some features are not as i expected before, needs more investigation. | 01:26 |
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| zhiyuan | what features do you expect? | 01:28 |
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| Yipei | always fail testing routed network in the environment, i installed the environment across multiple hosts | 01:32 |
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| zhiyuan | fail to create routed network in central neutron? | 01:34 |
| Yipei | no, not with tricircle. | 01:35 |
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| Yipei | referring to this guide #link https://docs.openstack.org/newton/networking-guide/config-routed-networks.html | 01:36 |
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| Yipei | i think there exist some problem with the configuration of segment and aggregate | 01:39 |
| zhiyuan | we only need to enable routed network in central neutron. it's only a data model for us to save information of external networks | 01:39 |
| Yipei | not a real routed network? | 01:41 |
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| zhiyuan | in local neutron, we still use normal network | 01:41 |
| Yipei | so every segment maps an real external network, the routed network is a logical concept? | 01:42 |
| zhiyuan | that's right | 01:42 |
| Yipei | oh, i see | 01:42 |
| zhiyuan | when user attach a router to a central routed network, real external network is created in local neutron | 01:43 |
| Yipei | and the info of the real external network is stored as a segment of the central routed network | 01:44 |
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| zhiyuan | yes | 01:45 |
| Yipei | ok, got it | 01:46 |
| zhiyuan | only enable routed network in central neutron | 01:46 |
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| Yipei | OK, got it | 01:47 |
| zhiyuan | fine, any other topics? | 01:48 |
| xuzhuang | for deleting security group, neutron has checked whether it is under using or not, need i recheck using status when deleting it in tricircle | 01:48 |
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| zhiyuan | our SEG implemenation inherit SecurityGroupDbMixin, will the base class check this? | 01:50 |
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| xuzhuang_ | if bingding_port is not None, it will raise SecurityGroupInUse | 01:54 |
| zhiyuan | then we just adopt this behaviour | 01:55 |
| xuzhuang_ | ok | 01:55 |
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| zhiyuan | fine, so much for today's meeting | 02:00 |
| zhiyuan | #endmeeting | 02:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 7 02:00:31 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-03-07-01.00.html | 02:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-03-07-01.00.txt | 02:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-03-07-01.00.log.html | 02:00 |
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| gongysh | hi | 04:30 |
| gongysh | #startmeeting tacker | 04:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 7 04:30:51 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:30 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 04:30 |
| gongysh | #topic roll call | 04:31 |
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| phuoc | hi gongysh | 04:31 |
| haint_ | hi | 04:31 |
| phuoc | o/ | 04:31 |
| Guest66700 | hi | 04:31 |
| haint_ | o/ | 04:31 |
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| dangtrinhnt | hi | 04:31 |
| gongysh | Guest66700, welcome | 04:31 |
| phuoc | hi Guest66700, but I think it is not the real name :-) | 04:32 |
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| Li_Jiale | o/ | 04:33 |
| gongysh | Li_Jiale, are you colleague of xingan? | 04:33 |
| Li_Jiale | yes | 04:33 |
| gongysh | #topic project meeting time change | 04:35 |
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| gongysh | according to doodle poll, we will change project meeting time to Tuesday | 04:35 |
| gongysh | #link https://doodle.com/poll/vrrgf2bggwrhuz9k | 04:36 |
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| gongysh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/550326/1/meetings/tacker-team-meeting.yaml | 04:37 |
| gongysh | this is the irc meeting change request | 04:37 |
| haint_ | +1 | 04:37 |
| gongysh | so please stay tuned at tacker channel. | 04:37 |
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| phuoc | thanks | 04:38 |
| gongysh | I will notify the formal change at openstack-dev email list and tacker channel after it is approved. | 04:38 |
| gongysh | #topic bp | 04:39 |
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| gongysh | @dangtrinhnt, do you have some to say? | 04:39 |
| haint_ | bp/tacker-support-python-openstackclient, what happened to this patch? | 04:39 |
| haint_ | Complete VNF osc commands: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548010 | 04:39 |
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| phuoc | haint_, I think dkushwaha are trying to finish it | 04:40 |
| dangtrinhnt | gongysh, I'm still working on the Tacker studio, vnff-ns needs more comment | 04:40 |
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| dangtrinhnt | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448109/18 | 04:42 |
| gongysh | dangtrinhnt, do you have a draft demo for studio? | 04:42 |
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| dangtrinhnt | not yet gongysh | 04:42 |
| gongysh | ok | 04:42 |
| Li_Jiale | gongysh, At PTG on March 14, we guys want to add several topics on indirect mode, VNF package management, NFVO/VNFM split. | 04:42 |
| dangtrinhnt | maybe this weekend | 04:42 |
| gongysh | phuoc, hi | 04:42 |
| gongysh | dangtrinhnt, thanks | 04:43 |
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| dangtrinhnt | Li_Jiale, please throw your ideas here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tacker-PTG-Rocky | 04:43 |
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| phuoc | gongysh, hi | 04:43 |
| gongysh | phuoc, do you have something to talk about your bps? | 04:43 |
| phuoc | my bp will break 2 parts | 04:44 |
| Li_Jiale | OK, dangtrinhnt | 04:44 |
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| phuoc | the first is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/549354 | 04:44 |
| phuoc | In this part, I will integrate it with kuryr-kubernetes for getting neutron port id | 04:44 |
| phuoc | And the send part will apply networking-sfc for VNFFG | 04:45 |
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| gongysh | phuoc, ok | 04:46 |
| gongysh | where is your second part? | 04:47 |
| phuoc | I will add it later | 04:47 |
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| gongysh | ok | 04:47 |
| gongysh | any other bp who will want to talk? | 04:48 |
| haint_ | Can I continue to work on this patch? Complete VNF osc commands: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548010 | 04:48 |
| gongysh | haint_, you can contact dharmendra kushwaha | 04:49 |
| haint_ | thanks | 04:49 |
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| gongysh | #topic bugs | 04:49 |
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| gongysh | phuoc, I think we have talked about a bug which I said should be put on your plate | 04:50 |
| gongysh | do you remember that bug? | 04:50 |
| dangtrinhnt | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1750975 | 04:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1750975 in tacker "VNF OpenStack VIM creation error when enable K8S VIM" [Undecided,Invalid] | 04:51 |
| phuoc | the bug about moving to gnnochi ? | 04:51 |
| gongysh | ok, I just make it into invalid after seeing the reporter said it is ok now. | 04:52 |
| gongysh | restart nova. | 04:52 |
| phuoc | gongysh, I checked his environment, because his nova services is not start normally | 04:52 |
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| gongysh | phuoc, thanks | 04:52 |
| dangtrinhnt | Yes, I just restarted nova and It's ok now. | 04:52 |
| phuoc | after restarting nova services, everything looks fine | 04:52 |
| gongysh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1753645 | 04:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1753645 in tacker "Test fail in test_create_tosca_scale & test_create_tosca_alarm_scale" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Trinh Nguyen (dangtrinhnt) | 04:53 |
| gongysh | this is a big bug | 04:53 |
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| phuoc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545435/3/tacker/tests/functional/vnfm/test_tosca_vnf_scale.py | 04:53 |
| gongysh | I have update the desc, it seems our generated heat template make heat unhappy. | 04:53 |
| phuoc | I am not sure, but it may cause the problem | 04:53 |
| phuoc | I will check it again | 04:54 |
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| dangtrinhnt | gongysh, but the first error it says about wrong syntax | 04:54 |
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| gongysh | dangtrinhnt, yeah, after your patch (syntax fix) , it shows us more severe bug. | 04:55 |
| gongysh | thank phuoc and dangtrinhnt | 04:55 |
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| gongysh | dangtrinhnt, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548602/ | 04:56 |
| gongysh | I will ask my colleague to work on new patch set | 04:57 |
| gongysh | he is a horizon guy. | 04:57 |
| gongysh | and will co-author that patch with you. | 04:57 |
| dangtrinhnt | ah please, thanks. | 04:57 |
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| dangtrinhnt | gongysh, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545279/ I updated the cert field, please review. | 04:59 |
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| gongysh | sorry, I am disconnected | 04:59 |
| gongysh | #topic vPTG | 04:59 |
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| dangtrinhnt | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tacker-PTG-Rocky | 05:01 |
| gongysh | #link doodle poll page https://doodle.com/poll/57k92cfiz73macpm | 05:01 |
| gongysh | we will have it at next Wednesday | 05:01 |
| gongysh | time will be GMT 400-800 | 05:02 |
| gongysh | dangtrinhnt, you session will be put at first two hours. | 05:03 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok, thanks. | 05:03 |
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| gongysh | #info tacker rocky vPTG will be held at GMT 04:00-0800 on March 14, 2018. | 05:04 |
| gongysh | you guys should put a time request at each of your proposal at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tacker-PTG-Rocky | 05:05 |
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| gongysh | for example 10 mins, 20 mins, 40 mins | 05:05 |
| gongysh | ppt is not required, we will have zoom for screen sharing. | 05:06 |
| gongysh | #topic open discussion | 05:07 |
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| gongysh | #action send out tacker rocky ptg to openstack-dev mail list | 05:07 |
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| gongysh | Li_Jiale, you can put your bps at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tacker-PTG-Rocky | 05:08 |
| gongysh | do you guys have anything to talk? | 05:09 |
| Li_Jiale | OK, | 05:09 |
| Li_Jiale | nothing. | 05:09 |
| haint_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546121/ | 05:09 |
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| haint_ | gongysh, what's unit test for this? | 05:10 |
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| gongysh | haint_, look at the unit test in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546121/7/tacker/tests/unit/vnfm/test_plugin.py | 05:10 |
| gongysh | you can add one unit test case in this file to verify your code is right. | 05:11 |
| haint_ | ok, thanks | 05:11 |
| gongysh | haint_, in fact your change is obvious, but unit test is a good habit for code change. so | 05:12 |
| gongysh | also add a reno note in your patch. | 05:13 |
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| gongysh | anything else? | 05:14 |
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| dangtrinhnt | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545279/ | 05:14 |
| gongysh | also please add your name behind your proposal, and other can also add altitude to the proposals, i.e. +1 +2 to each items. | 05:15 |
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| gongysh | dangtrinhnt, got it. | 05:15 |
| dangtrinhnt | gongysh, thanks :) | 05:15 |
| gongysh | phuoc, do you have a time to test the k8s vim ui patch? | 05:16 |
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| gongysh | anything else? | 05:17 |
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| gongysh | if not, let end today's meeting. next meeting will be replaced by vPTG | 05:18 |
| gongysh | thanks | 05:18 |
| gongysh | #endmeeting | 05:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 7 05:18:24 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2018/tacker.2018-03-07-04.30.html | 05:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2018/tacker.2018-03-07-04.30.txt | 05:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2018/tacker.2018-03-07-04.30.log.html | 05:18 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 14:13 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 7 14:13:39 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:13 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:13 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 14:13 |
| mugsie | #topic Roll Call | 14:13 |
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| mugsie | sorry about the late start, I am missing days :/ | 14:14 |
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| browny_ | ;-) | 14:15 |
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| simon-AS559 | anseo | 14:16 |
| mugsie | #topic Bug Triage | 14:16 |
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| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 14:17 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1753503 | 14:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1753503 in Designate "Policy check failed for rule 'update_service_status' " [Undecided,New] | 14:17 |
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| mugsie | I am confused by ^ | 14:18 |
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| mugsie | the policy name is wrong, but it should not block quota updates | 14:18 |
| simon-AS559 | maybe the "update_service_service_status" causes an error loading the entire policy file? | 14:19 |
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| mugsie | maybe ... I dont run it with any policy file now that defaults are in code | 14:20 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1752349 | 14:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1752349 in Designate "Infoblox driver get_dns_view error after changing multi_tenant option" [Undecided,New] | 14:20 |
| mugsie | seems legit | 14:21 |
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| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1746836 | 14:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1746836 in Designate "designate-manage does not migrate designate_pdns DB from PowerDNS 3.x to 4.x version DB Schema" [Undecided,New] | 14:21 |
| simon-AS559 | Yep, sounds very plausible | 14:21 |
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| mugsie | I marked the infoblox one as triaged, and added low-hanging-fruit tag | 14:21 |
| mugsie | for this db migration - we stopped shipping a schema, as we no longer need a custom one | 14:22 |
| simon-AS559 | So is it now possible/easy to migrate from PowerDNS 3.x to PowerDNS 4.x? | 14:22 |
| mugsie | our docs now tell people to install the pdns backend as directed by the pdns docs | 14:22 |
| mugsie | possible, yes, easy - no | 14:23 |
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| mugsie | oh, it seems pdns4 can read a pdns3 db | 14:23 |
| mugsie | so, yes | 14:24 |
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| simon-AS559 | Cool | 14:24 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1746627 | 14:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1746627 in Designate "Reverse floating IP records are removed when floating IP is deleted" [Undecided,New] | 14:25 |
| mugsie | this is the old PTR integration | 14:25 |
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| simon-AS559 | Subject seems wrong… probably means "…NOT removed when…" ? | 14:26 |
| mugsie | I *think* we would need a new -sink module to listen for floating-ip-delete messages and delete PTR records when the floating IP is removed | 14:26 |
| mugsie | simon-AS559: yea, I just updated it :) | 14:26 |
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| simon-AS559 | Does the new integration handle this better? | 14:28 |
| mugsie | yeah, neutron manages the PTR record itself, and updates / deletes it as it moves around | 14:28 |
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| simon-AS559 | OK. I'll take the bug and will try to formulate a reply based on that. | 14:29 |
| mugsie | simon-AS559: sweet | 14:29 |
| simon-AS559 | Oops, took the wrong one (pDNS 3->4 previous). | 14:30 |
| simon-AS559 | Well I guess I'll take them both. | 14:30 |
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| mugsie | even better :) | 14:31 |
| mugsie | #topic Back Ports | 14:31 |
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| mugsie | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/693655/ | 14:31 |
| mugsie | have a look at ^ and see if there is anything that should be back ported to queens / pike / ocata | 14:32 |
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| mugsie | there doesn't seem to be any changes that are not already proposed as backports | 14:34 |
| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 14:35 |
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| simon-AS559 | mugsie Thanks a lot for your patience onboarding me at the PTG, it was great. | 14:36 |
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| mugsie | simon-AS559: no problem, its good to have engaged users | 14:36 |
| mugsie | and people who want to help dev are even better :) | 14:36 |
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| mugsie | any other topics? | 14:38 |
| browny_ | API TXT records string handling related to RFC1035 | 14:38 |
| diman | mugsie: browny_: we have a question on SPF/TXT records. Possibly a bug recently encountered. | 14:38 |
| mugsie | sure | 14:38 |
| simon-AS559 | The length restriction? | 14:39 |
| browny_ | sort of | 14:39 |
| browny_ | we run in trouble | 14:39 |
| diman | the handling of " " empty spaces | 14:39 |
| diman | in SPF and TXT | 14:39 |
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| simon-AS559 | Empty spaces within strings inside TXT records should be handled correctly. | 14:40 |
| browny_ | yes, if the string is quoted | 14:40 |
| mugsie | oh ... I think I remember a bug like this | 14:40 |
| simon-AS559 | What Designate currently doesn't handle are multi-string TXT records. | 14:40 |
| simon-AS559 | Actually when you have a space within an unquoted string, in reality you have two strings | 14:41 |
| simon-AS559 | (TXT records can contain multiple strings) | 14:41 |
| browny_ | but if the string is not quoted then it ends up as a multi quotes string without spaces | 14:41 |
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| diman | multi-string is another problem, even under <255 the use of empty spaces in TXT/SPF is possible only if we explicitly quote the record during creation | 14:41 |
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| mugsie | diman: is this using "--records" or "--record" | 14:42 |
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| diman | mugsie: I've checked --records= | 14:42 |
| mugsie | OK - that does seem like a bug | 14:43 |
| diman | mugsie: so, doing like: openstack recordset create --records="v=spf1 a mx a:mail.domain.com a:mail.domain.ie a:server5.somedomain.com a:server7.somedomain.com mx:server95.somedomain.com include:thatdomain.com ip4:192.168.0.1 ip4:192.168.0.2 ip4:192.168.03 ip4:192.168.0.4 ip4:192.168.0.04 -all" --type="SPF" 02464c06-f04d-4cd2-b8ac-6a216bdf0eea xxx.somedomain.com | 14:43 |
| diman | will not result in correct SPF | 14:44 |
| diman | when asking bind directly via dig | 14:44 |
| diman | but, if we double quote with '" record here "' | 14:44 |
| diman | that will result in proper reply | 14:45 |
| mugsie | oh | 14:45 |
| mugsie | that seems like an API parse error | 14:45 |
| mugsie | OK, can you file that bug? | 14:45 |
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| diman | mugsie: sure, will do than | 14:46 |
| mugsie | I would start looking at the API and adaptor code to find how it is getting parsed inside designate | 14:46 |
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| browny_ | question is, should API follow e.g. RFC1035 | 14:46 |
| browny_ | <character-string> is expressed in one or two ways: as a contiguous set | 14:46 |
| browny_ | of characters without interior spaces, or as a string beginning with a " | 14:46 |
| browny_ | and ending with a ". | 14:46 |
| browny_ | regarding: | 14:46 |
| mugsie | yes, it should | 14:47 |
| browny_ | so strings with spaces require a "s | 14:47 |
| mugsie | and as the person who wrote the parsing code I am 99% sure it is not doing that at the moment | 14:47 |
| simon-AS559 | That leaves 1% :-) | 14:47 |
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| browny_ | well we will fix it then | 14:48 |
| mugsie | \o/ | 14:48 |
| mugsie | if you need help just shout on the mailing list / #openstack-dns | 14:49 |
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| diman | the question is: should designate api reply with error if the record has empty spaces, but not enclosed into " " explicitly? or should it handle those cases automatically? | 14:50 |
| diman | because RFC 1035 is kind of saying | 14:50 |
| diman | <character-string> is expressed in one or two ways: | 14:51 |
| mugsie | I think so | 14:51 |
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| diman | as a contiguous set of characters without interior spaces | 14:51 |
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| diman | - which works fine now | 14:51 |
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| diman | or as a string beginning with a " and ending with a ". Inside a " | 14:52 |
| diman | delimited string any character can occur, except for a " itself | 14:52 |
| simon-AS559 | Yes, it would be good to signal an error in this case. | 14:52 |
| diman | which also works - if you explicitly wrap the record with spaces with quotes... | 14:52 |
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| mugsie | yeah, I think we accept quoted strings with spaces, and if someone POSTs a string with spaces, it gets taken as a set of strings | 14:54 |
| diman | exactly | 14:55 |
| diman | from the user perspective it is not intuitive that SPF/TXT should have extra quotes if spaces are there | 14:55 |
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| simon-AS559 | true | 14:56 |
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| mugsie | no | 14:57 |
| mugsie | but, we have stuck to RFCs over UX in the past | 14:57 |
| mugsie | (like the "." at the end of zone names) | 14:57 |
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| diman | mugsie: yes, that's why there is a question | 14:57 |
| browny_ | API should be RFC conform | 14:57 |
| browny_ | CLI or UI can have a better UX | 14:57 |
| mugsie | browny_: ++ | 14:58 |
| diman | should this be fixed on cli / dashboard level | 14:58 |
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| browny_ | API should give error bassed on API -> spaces no quotes -> error | 14:59 |
| browny_ | CLI can be made nice for the user... | 14:59 |
| mugsie | yes, and with the work that frickler did to add "--record" we should use that to help build the payload | 14:59 |
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| mugsie | OK, any other topics? we are just about out of time | 15:02 |
| mugsie | OK, time is up :) | 15:03 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 15:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 7 15:03:15 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2018/designate.2018-03-07-14.13.html | 15:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2018/designate.2018-03-07-14.13.txt | 15:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2018/designate.2018-03-07-14.13.log.html | 15:03 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 7 16:00:00 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | courtesy ping: jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlontpsilva patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| tommylikehu | hi | 16:00 |
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| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:00 |
| arnewiebalck_ | hi | 16:00 |
| amito | Hey | 16:00 |
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| jungleboyj | Give people another minute to collect up. | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Hope everyone eventually made it home safely from the PTG. | 16:01 |
| DuncanT | Hey | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | Still a bit of snow around :-) | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Has your country returned to normal? | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | We had a storm here on Monday that made the one there look like a flurry. Hardly paused us. | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | Yeah. Got rid of nearly all of the angry foreign types who were complaining about their extended stay now, too | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Though it took 4 attempts to get Rachel's car out of my neighborhood including a beautiful 180 I engineered. | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: :-) | 16:03 |
| DuncanT | Video? | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Nope sorry, was too busy driving the car. | 16:03 |
| DuncanT | #action jundleboy to get a dashcam | 16:03 |
| xyang | hi | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, I know smcginnis is in Tokyo so he is probably not going to be here. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | So, lets get started. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | #topic announcements | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:04 | |
| jungleboyj | First, my apologies for everyone who got caught up in the Cinder Dinner debacle. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | Can't believe an Irish pub would run out of food and beer. :-( | 16:05 |
| Swanson | Hi | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks to those of you who came and who tried to come. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | I apparently was too optimistic that night. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | I blame being a Minnesotan. | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | Also, I have started working on getting the Cinder Rocky priorities and spec review list put together. I have linked it at the top of the meeting agendas etherpad. | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | I will be talking about that a bit more later in the meeting. | 16:06 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: thanks | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | Also a note that we have moved to the Rocky etherpad for meeting agendas. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-rocky-meeting-agendas | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | Last, I have gotten a recap of all the decisions and action items put together from the PTG: | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderRockyPTGSummary | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | If anyone has concerns or questions with the content there, please let me know. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | I think that is all I had for announcements. | 16:08 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic PTG Wrap Up | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG Wrap Up (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:08 | |
| jungleboyj | Thank you to all of you that were able to make it there. I feel like it was a productive week. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you all for being flexible and working around the issues that the Beast From the East caused. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Kind-of feel like we all shared living through a disaster movie. ;-) | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | As you can see from the links above I have worked to get all the info we discussed organized for this release already. | 16:10 |
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| jungleboyj | Anyone have anything else they want to share with regards to the PTG? | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | For those who couldn't be there, I will share that the Foundation is having trouble getting funding for the PTGs from sponsors and is, therefore, losing a lot of money on them. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | Sounds like they will be having another PTG in the fall, location TBD, but not sure about after that. | 16:11 |
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| e0ne | :( | 16:12 |
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| tommylikehu | :( | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | I think if they stop doing PTGs this team would need to go back to doing mid-cycles. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Do people agree with that statement? | 16:12 |
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| e0ne | jungleboyj: +1 for mid-cycles in this case | 16:12 |
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| geguileo | jungleboyj: I agree | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | Anyone disagree? | 16:13 |
| eharney | +1 midcycles | 16:14 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, so I am going to start putting a bug in my managements ear about possibly doing something in RTP February or so of next year. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | That way we have at least started considering an option if the PTGs come to an end. | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | What are the odds of snow stopping play there? | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | #action jungleboyj to start back-up planning for a mid-cycle in RTP for spring 2019. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: :-) Pretty low. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | Could happen in January but now they are at the point where the temps are in the 50's. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | #topic New processes for Rocky release. | 16:17 |
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| jungleboyj | So, I have taken some of the discussion from the PTG and decided to try something new. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:17 |
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| jungleboyj | If you look at the spec review tracking page you will see that I have extended the content somewhat. | 16:18 |
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| jungleboyj | Instead of just including specs and associated reviews I have also put sections in for each of the changes that we agreed upon at the PTG. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | I often use that page as a starting point for my review priorities. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | I am hoping the rest of the team can do the same. | 16:19 |
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| jungleboyj | If you have work you are doing that is related to one of the priority items, please add it to the review list there and then this will help the team to focus on getting the work we have agreed upon reviewed and merged. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | I will be taking some time in the weekly meeting to quickly review it each week and to follow up on progress. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | I have the list roughly in priority order. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | I am leaving those that still need specs merged first in the 'Spec Review' list. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | I hope this is helpful to the team. Think it is worth a try and will help avoid getting to the end of the release, me going through the list of stuff that we talked about at the PTG and then realizing we missed stuff like happened with Queens. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | Any questions on that? | 16:21 |
| hemna_ | ooh mid cycles... | 16:22 |
| eharney | i'll take a look at it | 16:22 |
| * hemna_ catches up | 16:22 | |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: Thanks. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | Welcome hemna_ Glad you are still alive. | 16:23 |
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| jungleboyj | So, obviously this takes the community to help make successful. I will add reviews in there as I see them. Just feel like we need to add a little more guidance behind our work. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Don't want to kill everyone with process either though. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | That was all I had there. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | #topic cinder coresec list | 16:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cinder coresec list (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:25 | |
| jungleboyj | Thank you to eharney for noting the list is out of date. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | I have gotten admin control from jgriffith for our security reviewer list. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | So, I think that leaving hemna_ eharney DuncanT on the list makes sense. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | I added smcginnis as he was, hilariously, missing. | 16:26 |
| hemna_ | hehe | 16:26 |
| hemna_ | well he is kinda shifty.... | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | hemna_: Yeah. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | So, I am also thinking that thingee can maybe be removed as well as winston-d | 16:27 |
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| hemna_ | heh winston-d | 16:27 |
| hemna_ | miss that guy | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | Add in e0ne, geguileo and tommylikehu ? | 16:27 |
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| hemna_ | +1 | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | hemna_: Yeah, me too. | 16:28 |
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| jungleboyj | Any objections to that plan? | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Any concerns that that is too large a group to have? | 16:28 |
| eharney | no | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. So I am going to make those changes. | 16:29 |
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| jungleboyj | Thank you for the input there. | 16:30 |
| Swanson | hemna sighting. | 16:30 |
| hemna_ | barely survived Dublin | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | hemna_: Will be here more often now. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | Righ? | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | Right? | 16:30 |
| hemna_ | that's the plan :) | 16:30 |
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| DuncanT | You'll be in Dublin more often? Awesome | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | #topic deferred volume removal | 16:31 |
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| jungleboyj | arnewiebalck_: The floor is yours. | 16:31 |
| arnewiebalck_ | :) | 16:31 |
| arnewiebalck_ | I’d like to propose to support rbd’s deferred volume deletion in Cinder. | 16:31 |
| arnewiebalck_ | As an option. | 16:31 |
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| e0ne | it would be good to have feedback from eharney and jbernard on this | 16:32 |
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| eharney | the proposal is that this is leveraged by the existing volume delete API? | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: ++ | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | Why I brought it here. | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | Can somebody explain the way it works, please? | 16:32 |
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| hemna_ | the name alone gives me pause | 16:33 |
| e0ne | from the docs: "Initial support for deferred image deletion via new rbd trash CLI commands. Images, even ones actively in-use by clones, can be moved to the trash and deleted at a later time." | 16:33 |
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| hemna_ | when does that later time happen? | 16:33 |
| eharney | this sounds like something we should be investigating for the RBD driver, yes | 16:33 |
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| hemna_ | after all outstanding operations are complete? | 16:33 |
| arnewiebalck_ | hemna: not by itself | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | arnewiebalck_: So what's the point? | 16:34 |
| arnewiebalck_ | the real deletion needs to be triggered | 16:34 |
| hemna_ | so delete.......no..now really delete... | 16:34 |
| eharney | this has the potential to help with some issues we've had in the driver when deleting volumes with dependencies, i think, but i'm not too familiar with it | 16:34 |
| arnewiebalck_ | DuncanT: The point is that “deletion” would be instantaneous from Cinder’s PoV. | 16:34 |
| arnewiebalck_ | move to trash is very fast | 16:34 |
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| arnewiebalck_ | deletion happens in the background or later | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | So, Cinder thinks it is gone but later RBD finishes the process. | 16:35 |
| hemna_ | wiat | 16:35 |
| hemna_ | err | 16:35 |
| e0ne | eharney: as I understood, it can help us to avoid 'rbd_flatten_volume_from_snapshot' param usage | 16:35 |
| jbernard | right, it's lazy | 16:35 |
| arnewiebalck_ | deletion time becomes independent from volume size | 16:35 |
| hemna_ | wait....the real deletions happen automatically? or have to be triggered later (by cinder somehow?) | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | arnewiebalck_: What's the advantage? delete is async, and until it is really gone you can't reuse the storage, so all you're doing is lying to the user.... | 16:35 |
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| arnewiebalck_ | DuncanT: we’ve seen cases where heavy deletion of several large volumes can block other operations | 16:36 |
| hemna_ | if Cinder has to trigger the real delete later....how can it do that because the volume is marked deleted in the cinder DB. | 16:36 |
| eharney | DuncanT: that kind of happens already when data is shared between volumes and images, might be useful, we'll have to go look at design for this | 16:36 |
| arnewiebalck_ | the user can delete and recreate immediately | 16:36 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: in case of Ceph, large volumes removal could be very long operation. in this case, cinder will mark such volume as deleted | 16:36 |
| eharney | at any rate this would just be a change in the driver, i believe | 16:36 |
| arnewiebalck_ | I’m not lying to the user :) | 16:36 |
| arnewiebalck_ | eharney: yes, this is driver specific | 16:37 |
| hemna_ | how/when is the trashed volume deleted? | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | arnewiebalck_: Until the volume is gone, they can't recreate if there is not enough space.... | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | hemna_: At that point RBD handles the deletion from a separate command. | 16:37 |
| arnewiebalck_ | hemna: sth needs to trigger a purge | 16:37 |
| jbernard | rbd trash purge | 16:37 |
| hemna_ | in other words, cinder has to issue that | 16:37 |
| e0ne | :( | 16:38 |
| arnewiebalck_ | purge comes with Mimic, in Luminous it would be remove | 16:38 |
| * jungleboyj laughs ... it is like Window's recycle bin. | 16:38 | |
| hemna_ | that's bad mmmkay | 16:38 |
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| eharney | guys | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: Bring reason. | 16:38 |
| eharney | we don't need to try to hash out the whole implementation here right now | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: jbernard is there customer demand for this? | 16:38 |
| hemna_ | I'm just trying to understand the basics of it | 16:39 |
| eharney | sounds like there would be if it gives a perf benefit | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | We don't need to hash out the whole implementation, but unless we can discuss the theory of operation, there's no point it being on the agenda.... | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | :-) So, this feature is limited to RBD. | 16:40 |
| eharney | all i can say is it sounds like something interesting to look into | 16:40 |
| e0ne | eharney: +1 | 16:40 |
| geguileo | eharney: but while on trash, is it still affecting the used space? because then it's affecting the scheduler over provisioining? | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: +1 | 16:40 |
| geguileo | eharney: +1 | 16:40 |
| hemna_ | so the only perf benefit is that cinder marks it as deleted in it's db and then ignores it forever, instead of waiting for a 'real' rbd delete image to finish? | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | Are the RBD deletes slow? | 16:41 |
| arnewiebalck_ | jungleboyj: for a 50TB volume they can be | 16:41 |
| jbernard | we can easily synchronize this in the driver, would it be helpful if i send a mail to the list with more details? | 16:41 |
| hemna_ | RBD *** slow.... | 16:41 |
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| hemna_ | arnewiebalck_, is it more efficient to have 10 50TB volumes in the trash being purged? or 10 50TB volumes being deleted the original way? | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | arnewiebalck_: Does it also allow the user to control the load on the filesystem caused by deletes? | 16:42 |
| geguileo | arnewiebalck_: so you tell Cinder to delete 50TB, cinder tells you is deleted, and you still don't have that space available, that would be odd for any Cinder user | 16:42 |
| arnewiebalck_ | hemna_: it’s more efficient from Cinder’s and the user’s point of view I’d say | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | I.E. delete at off peak times? | 16:42 |
| jbernard | there is an expiration limit, which purge adheres to | 16:43 |
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| DuncanT | I see no advantage to speeding up the transition from 'deleting' to 'deleted' if that is the only difference... If the transition to 'deleted' has finished, the space should be immediately available for reuse IMO | 16:43 |
| arnewiebalck_ | hemna_: I don’t think it’s faster on the backend | 16:43 |
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| hemna_ | arnewiebalck_, ok, I guess that's what I'm trying to understand. the purge just happens async at some other time, and it's still as inefficient as a normal delete. | 16:43 |
| hemna_ | kicking the can down the road is all this does | 16:44 |
| arnewiebalck_ | DuncanT: if a user deletes a 50TB volume, he has to wait the hour it takes to delete it before recreating a new volume | 16:44 |
| arnewiebalck_ | DuncanT: Also, Cinder may run out of worker threads as they are all busy with deletions. WE’ve seen this here. | 16:44 |
| arnewiebalck_ | hemna_: yes | 16:45 |
| geguileo | arnewiebalck_: Are you telling me you are running out of 1000 threads in Cinder volume? | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | arnewiebalck_: But until the delete is finished, they're still using the storage, so they should still hold the quota | 16:45 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: +1 | 16:45 |
| arnewiebalck_ | DuncanT: why? | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | arnewiebalck_: The point of the quota is to limit how much storage a user can tie up... Seems like there's a trivial DoS attach with deferred delete.... | 16:46 |
| arnewiebalck_ | DuncanT: if the space is needed, the trash can be purged any time | 16:46 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok ... team ... I think we are missing the point here. | 16:46 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:46 |
| geguileo | this requires a spec | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | We have another topic to cover yet and I don't want to go spinning out of control. | 16:46 |
| geguileo | and we can discuss it there | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: ++ | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | For those that know RBD this sounds like something that is somewhat sensible. | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | Specs are painful to have discussions on about something like this :-( | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | Way too slow round-trip time | 16:47 |
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| jungleboyj | Lets get a spec on this that explains better the semantics and then continue discussion here when we all understand the proposal. | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Understood, but it is a vehicle for jbernand, eharney and arnewiebalck_ to educate us. | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | arnewiebalck_: You ok with getting that started and we can talk more in a week or two? | 16:48 |
| arnewiebalck_ | jungleboyj: sure | 16:49 |
| _alastor_ | Does this sound useful for any backend other than Ceph? | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | _alastor_: Good question. | 16:49 |
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| eharney | it's a ceph driver/backend feature... | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | We've discussed deferred deletes before | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | As a general feature | 16:49 |
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| DuncanT | I think the last person who proposed it wanted an un-delete featuere | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | (Might even have been HP that proposed it) | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | Quota ended up being the issue | 16:50 |
| eharney | proposing a new feature/API sounds like a whole different discussion to me | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: ++ | 16:50 |
| arnewiebalck_ | eharney: +1 | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so lets table this for today. | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | #action arnewiebalck_ to put together spec with better description. | 16:50 |
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| jungleboyj | #action jungleboyj to add to spec review list. | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | #action team to review the spec and we will discuss further in the meeting a week or two from now. | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | arnewiebalck_: Sound like a plan for you? | 16:51 |
| arnewiebalck_ | jungleboyj: perfect | 16:51 |
| arnewiebalck_ | thx | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | arnewiebalck_: Welcome. Thanks for bringing it up. | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, last topic: | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Reexamine policy rule of OWNER . | 16:52 |
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| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: .... | 16:52 |
| tommylikehu | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1714858 | 16:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1714858 in Cinder "Some APIs doesn't check the owner policy" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to TommyLike (hu-husheng) | 16:52 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: thanks | 16:52 |
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| tommylikehu | hope this would be quick and easy one | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1714858 | 16:53 |
| tommylikehu | this is not a big issue, but will affect a lot of APIs. | 16:53 |
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| tommylikehu | the point is what the response code we want the end user to get when non-administrator try to query/update/delete resource that is out of his project scope. | 16:53 |
| tommylikehu | and whether we want to make the policy of OWNER really works in cinder. | 16:53 |
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| eharney | i'm not too clear on the status of this bug and its fix as of now | 16:54 |
| eharney | aren't there still concerns buried in there somewhere about force delete operations being allowed when they shouldn't be, etc? (if not other operations) | 16:55 |
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| tommylikehu | eharney: this bug is saying the policy of OWNER will always succeed | 16:55 |
| eharney | tommylikehu: but it doesn't spell out what that actually means | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: So, the problem is that if it is admin or owner sometimes the owner isn't able to use the command with that policy? | 16:56 |
| eharney | which is one of the things that we need to provide so we can understand the impact | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: ? | 16:56 |
| eharney | it isn't clear when reading that bug if there are a bunch of different vulnerable APIs or what | 16:56 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: the policy check will always think you are the owner | 16:57 |
| eharney | that sounds fairly severe to me | 16:57 |
| tommylikehu | geguileo: +1 | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Oy! | 16:57 |
| DuncanT | eharney: Yup | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, that is a problem. | 16:57 |
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| eharney | so how is this not a security bug? | 16:57 |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: Now I am agreeing with you. | 16:58 |
| geguileo | but most operations won't succeed because we limit our retrieval by the context's project_id | 16:58 |
| geguileo | so the policy passes | 16:58 |
| tommylikehu | eharney: because we still can not handle the resource that out of my project scope cause it will raise 404 | 16:58 |
| eharney | tommylikehu: for what operation? | 16:58 |
| geguileo | and the get of the resource would raise a NotFound | 16:58 |
| eharney | this change was made in numerous places, we don't even have a clear list of which are broken | 16:58 |
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| geguileo | ^ that is the problem | 16:58 |
| geguileo | I checked some and we were protected by the DB retrieval mechanism, but I didn't check them all | 16:59 |
| eharney | so it still sounds like it should be tracked as a security bug to me until it's proven that there is no vulnerability etc | 16:59 |
| tommylikehu | the problem is policy OWNER doesn't work at all | 16:59 |
| eharney | that's an implementation problem, the question is, what vulnerabilities are deployers exposed to? | 16:59 |
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| jungleboyj | So, we are out of time. | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Can we take this to the channel? | 17:00 |
| tommylikehu | sure | 17:00 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. Cool. | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks everyone for a good meeting. | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Talk to you next week. | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 7 17:00:56 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-03-07-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-03-07-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-03-07-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 20:59 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 7 21:00:14 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:00 |
| rledisez | hi o/ | 21:00 |
| notmyname | rledisez: we missed you last week | 21:00 |
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| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:01 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:01 |
| mattoliverau | Sounds like you had quite an adventure | 21:01 |
| rledisez | i wish i could make it to dublin… next time :) | 21:01 |
| clayg | rledisez: we missed you! :'( | 21:01 |
| acoles | hello | 21:01 |
| notmyname | agenda this week is simply catch-up after the ptg | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
| notmyname | here's the team picture, if you didn't get it yet: http://d.not.mn/swift_team_dublin_ptg.jpg | 21:02 |
| mattoliverau | I feel like I just got home | 21:02 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: you and me both :-) | 21:03 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: 🤣 | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Dublin_PTG_Swift | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #topic ptg topic summary | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ptg topic summary (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:03 | |
| notmyname | no need to exhaustively go over everything in detail, but there's a few hightlights to summarize for everyone | 21:03 |
| notmyname | we talked about checkpoint releases and/or different upgrade support policies | 21:04 |
| notmyname | we did not come to an agreement, other than we need to get actual upgrade testing in the gate | 21:04 |
| notmyname | speaking of gate testing, tdasilva added probe tests!! | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:04 |
| notmyname | I'd say it makes me unreasonably happy, but I don't think it's unreasonable at all | 21:05 |
| kota_ | nice | 21:05 |
| timburke | yay! now we just need logs for failures ;-) | 21:05 |
| acoles | tdasilva: kudos | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | Baby steps :p | 21:05 |
| notmyname | we also talked about py3 compatibility. this is becoming more important since distros are having serious conversations about when they will drop py2 | 21:05 |
| tdasilva | timburke: was looking at this patch for ideas: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548226/ | 21:05 |
| patchbot | patch 548226 - swift - DNM: Try out to pull execution logs of functests | 21:05 |
| timburke | nice. go kota_! | 21:06 |
| notmyname | our resident distro people (ie tdasilva and mattoliverau) have said they'll likely be able to get official permission to work on it | 21:06 |
| kota_ | it still goes to fail to take the log tho :/ | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | Oh yeah, I'll go follow up with the powers that be about that. Thanks for the remindr | 21:07 |
| notmyname | for the py3 work, we agreed that (1) one +2 will be sufficient to land it (otherwise we will not make any process) (2) it will take a while (3) we'll live with the reality that this will cause bugs | 21:07 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro shared his work on the general task queue and using for improving the object expirer. he's continuing to work on that | 21:08 |
| notmyname | acoles and clayg spent pretty much teh whole week working on container sharding | 21:08 |
| timburke | and (4) prioritize having a functioning py3 proxy -- it's the func tests that will be the real proof of compatibility | 21:08 |
| notmyname | timburke: +1 | 21:08 |
| acoles | I moved all my notes from last week to a separate etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/deep-containers-dublin-ptg | 21:08 |
| clayg | I was just catching up - it's a mind warp at first. mattoliverau knows. | 21:08 |
| acoles | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/deep-containers-dublin-ptg | 21:08 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | ;) | 21:09 |
| notmyname | personally, I've got some employer deliverables related to container sharding, so we're working on timelines for what's possible to deliver soon and what can be deferred | 21:09 |
| notmyname | kota_ shared the ongoing work with the s3api integration | 21:09 |
| notmyname | for s3api we agreed that we would simply work on an import of swift3. we would *not* do the further refactoring to unblock future compat work. we'll defer that to later | 21:10 |
| notmyname | the goal kota_ said he could do (after adding in a few more tests) is to be done "in a month or so" | 21:10 |
| notmyname | we talked about ops tools. logging, monitoring, alerting, and so on | 21:11 |
| notmyname | it was hard to come up with concrete "let's do this next" items, other than simply sharing what each of us are doing more publicly | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | we agreed that sharing on the openstack mailing list (either -dev or -operators) would be better than doing it via IRC | 21:12 |
| notmyname | mostly because of timezones, but also to include those who don't lurk in IRC | 21:12 |
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| clayg | pete is always telling us to use the ML more | 21:13 |
| notmyname | unfortunately we missed OVH talking about "lots of small files". maybe we could get rledisez and alex to have a phone/video chat about it in the next week or so | 21:13 |
| rledisez | sure, i'll talk to alecuyer about that. he's in vacation this week | 21:14 |
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| rledisez | we had some point to talk about like requirement patches, and to give some prod feedbacks | 21:15 |
| notmyname | great | 21:15 |
| notmyname | for the "improve the consistency engine" topic, swiftstack shared what we'll be working on and what we won't be working on. torgomatic has already been proposing patches related to this | 21:15 |
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| rledisez | is there more info on that topic? | 21:16 |
| notmyname | one important thing on the consistency engine improvements is that we will not be removing rsync now nor rewriting in golang. these are both things we definitely want to do, but we won't get to them soon, as a community | 21:16 |
| rledisez | i'm *very* interested | 21:16 |
| notmyname | there's too much other big stuff that needs to happen first, and not enough people to make progress on all of it | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | rledisez: ok. let's talk more then | 21:16 |
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| clayg | "requirement patches" ??? | 21:17 |
| notmyname | and that gets us to the end of the stuff we talked about. what did I miss? | 21:17 |
| timburke | rledisez: you might be interested in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545496/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545497/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548628/, and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541058/ | 21:17 |
| patchbot | patch 545496 - swift - Make DB replicators ignore non-partition directories (MERGED) | 21:17 |
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| patchbot | patch 545497 - swift - Add handoffs-only mode to DB replicators. | 21:17 |
| patchbot | patch 548628 - swift - Support -d <devs> and -p <partitions> in DB replic... | 21:17 |
| patchbot | patch 541058 - swift - Add fallocate_reserve to account and container ser... | 21:17 |
| notmyname | timburke: thanks | 21:17 |
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| rledisez | ok, i'll check that, thx timburke | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | rledisez: if you can stay just a bit after the meeting (I know it's late), I can give you a quick summary of where we are with consistency engine stuff | 21:19 |
| notmyname | rledisez: what are the requirements patches you mentioned? | 21:20 |
| rledisez | clayg notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447129/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548034/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548589/ | 21:20 |
| patchbot | patch 447129 - swift - Configure diskfile per storage policy | 21:20 |
| patchbot | patch 548034 - swift - Add optional parameters to common/utils fallocate() | 21:20 |
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| patchbot | patch 548589 - swift - WIP - Change object_audit_location_generator() to ... | 21:20 |
| rledisez | notmyname: ok to talk after | 21:20 |
| clayg | ah yes, i remember seeing those updated last week | 21:21 |
| rledisez | these 3 patches are the base for LOSF | 21:21 |
| notmyname | ah, got it. I understand now | 21:21 |
| clayg | 👍 | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | nobody has mentioned anything else, so I think that means I covered it all | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up this week? | 21:23 |
| acoles | notmyname: great summary, thanks | 21:23 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:24 |
| notmyname | I'll admit I've not been doing a great job on keeping the review dashboard and/or priority reviews updated lately. I need to get back on that. if it doesn't get better in the next few days, please gripe at me about it | 21:24 |
| clayg | notmyname: CAN DO! | 21:25 |
| clayg | you can always count on me to give you hard time. | 21:25 |
| notmyname | broader openstack-wide discussions that I've seen that may be of interest to everyone include: "extended maintenance", python3 support, and the future of the PTG | 21:25 |
| notmyname | clayg: +1 | 21:26 |
| notmyname | anything else from anyone? | 21:26 |
| kota_ | ah, add a thing to the summary, it's hard wether but very productive | 21:27 |
| acoles | notmyname: did you hear if there a september PTG? | 21:27 |
| kota_ | it was | 21:27 |
| notmyname | acoles: last I saw is that there will be another in 2018 btu the 2019 plan is what's being discussed. and that's the extent of detail I've seen | 21:27 |
| kota_ | weather | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | kota_: yep. crazy weather. but fun :-) | 21:28 |
| torgomatic | do we know where the other 2018 PTG will be? | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: no, not yet | 21:28 |
| notmyname | last call to bring up something else | 21:29 |
| notmyname | done | 21:29 |
| notmyname | thanks everyone for coming today. great to spend the week with you last week in frosty dublin | 21:29 |
| notmyname | thank you for your work on swift | 21:29 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 7 21:29:52 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-03-07-21.00.html | 21:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-03-07-21.00.txt | 21:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-03-07-21.00.log.html | 21:29 |
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