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| eumel8 | hello world | 13:00 |
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| genek | hi eumel8 | 13:00 |
| eumel8 | hi genek :) | 13:00 |
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| eumel8 | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 23 13:01:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eumel8. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 13:01 |
| eumel8 | who else is there for I18n team meeting? | 13:01 |
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| eumel8 | maybe we wait some few minutes | 13:02 |
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| genek | OK | 13:02 |
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| eumel8 | ok | 13:07 |
| eumel8 | then we start | 13:07 |
| eumel8 | #topic Status Zanata Upgrade | 13:07 |
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| eumel8 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506795/ | 13:08 |
| eumel8 | I tried to push the zanata upgrade this week | 13:08 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, hihi | 13:08 |
| eumel8 | hi ianychoi! | 13:08 |
| genek | hi ianychoi :) | 13:08 |
| eumel8 | great | 13:08 |
| ianychoi | genek, hi! | 13:08 |
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| eumel8 | so, we've just started ;) | 13:08 |
| ianychoi | I have been explaining DevStack & docs to Korean user group members - just finished :) | 13:09 |
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| eumel8 | ++ | 13:09 |
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| genek | That's cool | 13:09 |
| ianychoi | Thanks and sorry for interrupting | 13:09 |
| eumel8 | np | 13:09 |
| ianychoi | Yep there have been some replies on a review | 13:10 |
| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506795/ | 13:10 |
| eumel8 | yes, there are some new comments | 13:10 |
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| ianychoi | I asked some opinions to Zanata members (unfortunately timezone between Australia and EU are too different) and they kindly added some opinions. | 13:10 |
| eumel8 | so I'll rework the patch | 13:11 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, great! | 13:11 |
| ianychoi | Thanks :) | 13:11 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, what I can tell now is that let's make the patch stronger :) | 13:11 |
| eumel8 | my first idea was the first try and clean up old stuff later, but this full patch is also possible | 13:11 |
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| jpich | (Hi!) | 13:13 |
| eumel8 | hi jpich! | 13:13 |
| ianychoi | jpich, hello! | 13:13 |
| jpich | Sorry I'm late :) | 13:14 |
| genek | hi jpich | 13:14 |
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| eumel8 | the problem is there are only 3 core-revievers in puppet-infra so it was not possible to merge this proposal | 13:14 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, infra-core (clarkb, fungi, and others) can help it | 13:15 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, for example, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422373/ => That patch was helped from infra-cores | 13:15 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: I tried this but puppet stuff is special, so infra-core != infra-puppet-core | 13:16 |
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| ianychoi | hmm | 13:17 |
| eumel8 | so my idea is to send a proposal to add zanata guys as core for this repo (puppet-zanata) | 13:17 |
| ianychoi | From my understand, puppet-cores would deal the review first but infra-cores also can help on it | 13:17 |
| ianychoi | s/understand/understanding | 13:18 |
| eumel8 | or I send an email to infra-ml and ask for merge | 13:18 |
| ianychoi | Yep... :) good idea | 13:18 |
| eumel8 | ok, then I will do that | 13:18 |
| eumel8 | #action eumel8 inform infra-team about outstanding proposals and ask for help | 13:19 |
| ianychoi | But it seems that infra team is so busy dealing with so many things.. :) | 13:19 |
| genek | So infra team is now mainly using ansible? | 13:19 |
| ianychoi | puppet as far as I know but also some part of ansible | 13:20 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: I know, but I told you we have also important things :) | 13:20 |
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| eumel8 | genek: yes | 13:20 |
| ianychoi | For core-ships, since we are not currently cores on puppet-zanata repository, we would respect current cores for that repo | 13:21 |
| genek | eumel8: Is there any plan to switch to ansible in the future as infra team use them more? | 13:21 |
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| ianychoi | genek, that would be another idea from eumel8 - sorry eumel8 I read your e-mail but did not have enough time to reply to u | 13:22 |
| genek | ianychoi: I can help writing ansible scripts, but I'm not so familiar with puppet | 13:22 |
| genek | If there's a plan to move to it | 13:23 |
| eumel8 | genek: interesting :) | 13:23 |
| eumel8 | I thing move to ansible would be a good idea | 13:23 |
| ianychoi | genek, oh so great! then would you help on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487936/ ? | 13:23 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: this thing is done. We wait for bootstrapping and Andy would help | 13:24 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, agreed I just thought that reading the review would be much helpful for genek for better understanding of current translate checksite status I thought | 13:25 |
| eumel8 | ok, got it | 13:25 |
| genek | ianychoi: I'll check on it later | 13:25 |
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| eumel8 | next topic | 13:25 |
| eumel8 | #topic Project Doc Translation Feedback | 13:26 |
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| eumel8 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18n_project_doc_survey | 13:27 |
| eumel8 | the results from our survey about Project Doc Translation | 13:28 |
| genek | seems that more people would like to see translations on installation projects docs | 13:28 |
| eumel8 | not so much feedback but I think enough to start with this topic | 13:29 |
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| fungi | ianychoi: infra-puppet-core includes the infra-core group _plus_ several additional individuals | 13:30 |
| ianychoi | fungi, thanks a lot for confirmation - I told it to eumel8 :) | 13:31 |
| genek | thanks fungi | 13:31 |
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| eumel8 | fungi: from my point of view to bring in the Zanata guys into puppet-zanata would be a good idea. | 13:33 |
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| fungi | seems like a fine idea to me | 13:34 |
| fungi | bring it up with the ptl (clarkb) | 13:34 |
| eumel8 | k | 13:34 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, when I saw https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509297/ yesterday, my understanding is that such support is also related with https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/project-testing-interface.html | 13:35 |
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| ianychoi | project doc translation | 13:36 |
| eumel8 | ah, back to the topic | 13:36 |
| eumel8 | thx ;) | 13:36 |
| ianychoi | you're welcome :) | 13:37 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: activating translation in project repo should be similar to existing repos like i18n or openstack-manuals | 13:38 |
| eumel8 | AJaeger mentioned some pitfalls so we have to try this and see how it will work | 13:39 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, generally yes but I18n team cannot deal with all project doc repositories - more volunteers might be needed | 13:39 |
| ianychoi | PTI applies to all the repo, so supporting in that would be better | 13:40 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: true and there are some supporter on the horizon | 13:41 |
| ianychoi | Note that such support needs approvals from TC | 13:41 |
| eumel8 | ok, thx | 13:42 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, would u let me know some examples on such supporter in Horizon? | 13:42 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: I mean not the dashboard project ;) | 13:43 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, yep horizon doc - translation is already supported? | 13:43 |
| eumel8 | I mean there are lot's of native speaker in project teams to support translation in other languages | 13:44 |
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| ianychoi | Aha.. demands | 13:44 |
| ianychoi | okay | 13:44 |
| eumel8 | but I can contact TC | 13:44 |
| ianychoi | I understood that horizon doc translation was already supported | 13:45 |
| ianychoi | Let's think more... | 13:45 |
| eumel8 | #action eumel8 contact TC for Project Doc Translation | 13:45 |
| ianychoi | openstack/governance repo | 13:45 |
| eumel8 | I know, thx | 13:45 |
| eumel8 | I would use the Office Hours for a chat | 13:46 |
| ianychoi | OR some yep office hours great :) | 13:46 |
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| eumel8 | *g* | 13:46 |
| eumel8 | next topic | 13:46 |
| ianychoi | +1 | 13:47 |
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| eumel8 | #topic Update Docs Landing Pages | 13:47 |
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| eumel8 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/520997/ | 13:47 |
| ianychoi | Japanese team seems busy | 13:47 |
| ianychoi | Can I exclude Japanese landing page now? | 13:48 |
| eumel8 | okay, that would be my question if we're ready | 13:48 |
| ianychoi | PTL agreed :) I will do that ! | 13:48 |
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| eumel8 | just wondering that there no answer from amotoki | 13:49 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, and plz approve my proposal for draft translated pages in landing oages | 13:49 |
| ianychoi | pages | 13:49 |
| eumel8 | but okay, you need still a rebase | 13:50 |
| amotoki | I have no time to propose an alternative Japanese strings | 13:50 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, yep I will do it | 13:50 |
| amotoki | but I don't think it is a good reason to exclude Japanese drafts. | 13:50 |
| amotoki | what is the minimum check expected? | 13:50 |
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| ianychoi | amotoki, other language coordinators anticipate new landing pages. Would you then help on translating some English strings in Japanese landing page on that review? | 13:51 |
| amotoki | is a landing page with English strings not okay? | 13:52 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, alternative - good idea! | 13:52 |
| ianychoi | My general idea is that changing language landing page needs approvals from language coordinators | 13:53 |
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| amotoki | As my hat of Japanese lang coordinator, we lost most of active document translators so far (including me), so I am not confident we need to it | 13:53 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: okay, then please rebase and then we will aprove | 13:53 |
| ianychoi | If there is no opinion from language coordinators then I think changing from other language background would bot be good | 13:54 |
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| ianychoi | Or active translators | 13:54 |
| eumel8 | yeah | 13:54 |
| amotoki | but it still has several number of translated documents, so it might be worth having them in a landing page | 13:54 |
| amotoki | so I will check links are okay or not after the meeting | 13:54 |
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| eumel8 | thx amotoki | 13:55 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, I appreciate your saying :) Note that such idea is related with more participation from language teams | 13:55 |
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| ianychoi | I18n team cannot go with language translators | 13:55 |
| eumel8 | we have 5 minutes left | 13:56 |
| amotoki | Japanese is feeling difficulties in finding next lang coordinators | 13:56 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, hmm.. that's so sad story.. | 13:56 |
| eumel8 | ok | 13:56 |
| amotoki | katomo and I are trying to drop from the coordinators due to timei limitation | 13:56 |
| amotoki | it is not easy to communicate with the whole members of a language team | 13:57 |
| amotoki | coordinators have no contact list to all members, so it is difficult to call for volunteers | 13:58 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, so sad and thank u for detail story - hopefully we think some solutions on that | 13:58 |
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| amotoki | I can still help the effort though | 13:59 |
| genek | ianychoi: do we have emails of team members in Zanata? | 13:59 |
| amotoki | genek: i think only zanata admin can do it | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, let's continue in i18n channel if others are also okay | 14:00 |
| genek | amotoki: got that | 14:00 |
| genek | ianychoi: sure | 14:00 |
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| eumel8 | sorry we're running out of time | 14:00 |
| eumel8 | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 23 14:01:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-11-23-13.01.html | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-11-23-13.01.txt | 14:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-11-23-13.01.log.html | 14:01 |
| eumel8 | can continue in #openstack-i18n | 14:01 |
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