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| gongysh | hi | 04:29 |
| phuoc_ | hi | 04:29 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | gongysh: Hi | 04:29 |
| MinWookKim | Hi | 04:30 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | phuoc_: Hi | 04:30 |
| gongysh | #startmeeting tacker | 04:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 22 04:30:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 04:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 04:30 |
| gongysh | #topic roll call | 04:30 |
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| diga | o/ | 04:30 |
| phuoc_ | o/ | 04:30 |
| gongysh | diga, hi | 04:30 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | o/ | 04:30 |
| diga | gongysh: hello | 04:30 |
| MinWookKim | o/ | 04:30 |
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| gongysh | YanXingAn, hi | 04:31 |
| YanXingAn | Hi | 04:31 |
| gongysh | how is the bug smash day? | 04:31 |
| YanXingAn | 40 people | 04:31 |
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| gongysh | a large team. | 04:32 |
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| phuoc_ | hi janki, Dinesh_Bhor | 04:33 |
| janki | o/ | 04:33 |
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| gongysh | it seems dk, our bug triager is not here. | 04:33 |
| janki | phuoc_, hey | 04:33 |
| gongysh | ok, let get started | 04:34 |
| gongysh | #topic bp | 04:34 |
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| gongysh | phuoc_, anything from your bp? | 04:34 |
| phuoc_ | first, I will start with mardim's bp | 04:34 |
| phuoc_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/516698/ | 04:34 |
| phuoc_ | about vnffg update, what do you guys think about updating flow-classifier and the path | 04:35 |
| phuoc_ | should we use parameters or put it all in vnffg file | 04:35 |
| phuoc_ | update flow-classifier, we can add or delete flow-classifiers | 04:36 |
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| phuoc_ | update path, we can change the order vnfs in path or remove/add new vnfs in vnffg | 04:37 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, I think we should have command parameter for it | 04:37 |
| diga | yes, parameter way looks good to me for updating | 04:38 |
| diga | I haven't gone through the spec yet, will review it today | 04:38 |
| phuoc_ | because there are too much parameters, if we use parameters it can be hard to to it | 04:38 |
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| phuoc_ | I will discuss with mardim later | 04:39 |
| phuoc_ | About applying containerized VNF, I will upload [WIP] code in this week | 04:39 |
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| phuoc_ | Hope you guys can review it | 04:40 |
| diga | yes | 04:40 |
| phuoc_ | that's all from me | 04:40 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, thanks | 04:40 |
| diga | phuoc_: you means for this spec - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/511991/ | 04:40 |
| diga | it is not merged yet I guess | 04:41 |
| phuoc_ | diga, yes | 04:41 |
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| diga | wait, we should merge this first then start working on it | 04:41 |
| phuoc_ | We need to figure out more thing to merge it :) | 04:41 |
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| diga | gongysh: can we merge this now ? | 04:41 |
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| gongysh | diga, our new rules are to merge spec when we have code available. | 04:42 |
| diga | phuoc_: yes, will work on it, add those reviews comment | 04:42 |
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| phuoc_ | I think we can code and change spec parallel, because I am also not sure the right way to do it :) | 04:42 |
| gongysh | author can code along side spec. | 04:42 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510749/ | 04:42 |
| diga | gongysh: :) when we decided that, didn't know | 04:43 |
| gongysh | the CI failed due to ci zuul3's change. I will update it. | 04:43 |
| diga | hmm | 04:43 |
| phuoc_ | gongysh, thanks | 04:43 |
| gongysh | diga, this is because we have some specs merged, but no implementation at all. | 04:43 |
| diga | hmm | 04:44 |
| diga | gongysh: I started the implementation on API framework - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/520495/ | 04:44 |
| diga | gongysh: This work should go to feature/falcon-api-framework branch | 04:44 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, do you have any problems with containized vnf? | 04:45 |
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| gongysh | we will first use pure k8s vim and then maybe have a k8s-kuryer vim | 04:45 |
| gongysh | so assume the current kubernetes vim is a pure k8s vim. | 04:45 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | diga: Thanks! The blueprint link in the commit message is broken. Need to be fixed. | 04:45 |
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| phuoc_ | gongysh, sure, now I will focus on features, which can be supported by pure kubernetes and k8s-kuryr | 04:46 |
| diga | Dinesh_Bhor: okay, will take a look at it | 04:46 |
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| diga | gongysh: phuoc_ : Are we talking about K8s as VIM or Containerized VNF on k8s ? | 04:47 |
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| gongysh | diga, shouldn't we rebase the tacker-api-framework branch? | 04:47 |
| gongysh | the API branch is too old | 04:47 |
| diga | gongysh: I will do that first,yes | 04:47 |
| diga | gongysh: didn't get chance to look at that part actually | 04:48 |
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| gongysh | diga, what about openstack command spec? | 04:48 |
| gongysh | you said your guys will work on it | 04:48 |
| diga | gongysh: by the way, I am planning to submit first base framework without test cases for 1st patch | 04:49 |
| diga | gongysh: new comers are working on bug fixes now to get understanding of code base | 04:49 |
| gongysh | diga, ok, thanks | 04:49 |
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| diga | gongysh: will then move them to cli, in the queens-2 release | 04:50 |
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| gongysh | YanXingAn is on chinese bug smash day | 04:51 |
| diga | hnmn3: kapil__ : will be working on bugs now | 04:51 |
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| gongysh | MinWookKim, hi | 04:52 |
| phuoc_ | hnmn3, kapil__ thanks! | 04:52 |
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| MinWookKim | gongysh, ho | 04:52 |
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| MinWookKim | hi | 04:52 |
| gongysh | MinWookKim, could you please talk about your BP? | 04:52 |
| hnmn3 | phuoc_: welcome | 04:52 |
| kapil__ | phuoc: Thanks | 04:52 |
| MinWookKim | gongysh, Currently in progress, we are considering Respawn, Scale Action. There is nothing special about it. | 04:53 |
| gongysh | MinWookKim, do you have a demo for this feature? | 04:53 |
| MinWookKim | gongysh, I have a video demo. :) | 04:54 |
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| diga | MinWookKim: share the link then, will go through it | 04:55 |
| gongysh | MinWookKim, yes, great, share it if ok. | 04:55 |
| MinWookKim | Okay, Wait a moment | 04:56 |
| phuoc_ | hnmn3, kapil__, I think you guys can upload the code in Tacker review with [WIP] prefix | 04:57 |
| gongysh | MinWookKim, you can put it here anytime. | 04:57 |
| gongysh | lets move to next topic | 04:57 |
| phuoc_ | So, other guys can give comments about it :) | 04:57 |
| gongysh | #topic bug | 04:57 |
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| gongysh | #link https://launchpad.net/tacker/+milestone/queens-2 | 04:57 |
| diga | phuoc_: they will do it by next week, now they are setting up tacker | 04:57 |
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| gongysh | seems we have no much progress on bug fixing | 04:58 |
| diga | gongysh: what's the end date of queens-2 | 04:58 |
| gongysh | diga, do you guys have any progress? | 04:58 |
| gongysh | 2017-12-07 | 04:58 |
| diga | gongysh: yes, we will finish atleast 3-4 bugs by next weeks but it seems no our bugs tagged for q-2 | 04:59 |
| phuoc_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1733491 | 05:00 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1733491 in tacker "NS failed to deploy" [High,New] - Assigned to dharmendra (dharmendra-kushwaha) | 05:00 |
| diga | gongysh: also I don't see API-framework BP in the release, can you add it there as I am working on it now | 05:00 |
| phuoc_ | we have a bug related to ns | 05:00 |
| diga | dkushwaha should have attended this meeting, he knows the status of bugs | 05:01 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, it is strange, we have CI which have passed the NS creation. | 05:02 |
| gongysh | it should be environment problem. | 05:02 |
| gongysh | diga, ok | 05:02 |
| gongysh | #action pull API BP to queens-3 by gongysh | 05:02 |
| diga | gr8 | 05:03 |
| diga | also pull CLI | 05:03 |
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| gongysh | #topic open discuss | 05:04 |
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| MinWookKim | gongysh, I uploaded it. https://youtu.be/X5zEOu1Ai6k | 05:04 |
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| gongysh | #link https://youtu.be/X5zEOu1Ai6k | 05:04 |
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| diga | MinWookKim: Thanks | 05:06 |
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| MinWookKim | diga, :) | 05:06 |
| phuoc_ | diga, about VMware spec, Is it good progressing ? | 05:06 |
| diga | phuoc_: YEs, I am submitting the BP today, first draft by friday | 05:07 |
| diga | phuoc_: looks like Vmware has lot of work to do for integration purpose | 05:07 |
| diga | : | 05:07 |
| diga | :) | 05:07 |
| phuoc_ | :) | 05:07 |
| phuoc_ | I also want to learn VMware | 05:07 |
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| diga | phuoc_: once I submit a spec, will involve you | 05:08 |
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| diga | phuoc_: let's talk about containerized VNF tasks after this call | 05:09 |
| gongysh | I just watched the video. | 05:09 |
| gongysh | it is nice. | 05:09 |
| gongysh | thanks | 05:09 |
| gongysh | do you guys have anything to talk? | 05:10 |
| phuoc_ | gongysh, we should improve ns | 05:10 |
| gongysh | we should merged the k8s vim related codes before q-2 deadline. | 05:10 |
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| gongysh | phuoc_, yes. | 05:10 |
| phuoc_ | currently, ns can't create vnffg | 05:11 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, there is a bp on it. | 05:11 |
| gongysh | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tacker/+spec/vnffg-ns | 05:11 |
| phuoc_ | Dinesh_Bhor, I think you can help YangXingAn to start with it | 05:12 |
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| gongysh | Most of time, YanXingan is persuading his boss to use tacker, so no much time to improve tacker. | 05:13 |
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| gongysh | Hope Yanxingan will make it to make his boss pay more on tacker. | 05:14 |
| gongysh | any other stuff? | 05:14 |
| gongysh | if no, we can end today's meeting | 05:15 |
| diga | yes | 05:15 |
| gongysh | I will have a patch to fix the ci staff. | 05:15 |
| gongysh | thanks everyone | 05:15 |
| gongysh | #endmeeting | 05:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 05:15 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 22 05:15:44 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-11-22-04.30.html | 05:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-11-22-04.30.txt | 05:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-11-22-04.30.log.html | 05:15 |
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| oneswig | ready? | 11:00 |
| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 11:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 22 11:00:40 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-sig)" | 11:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 11:00 |
| oneswig | Lets see what happens with the name change... | 11:00 |
| oneswig | #link agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_November_22nd_2017 | 11:01 |
| oneswig | roll call - who's here? | 11:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 11:02 |
| * ildikov is lurking :) | 11:03 | |
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| oneswig | hello again john, hi ildiko | 11:03 |
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| oneswig | awfully quiet this morning... | 11:03 |
| ildikov | oneswig: johnthetubaguy: hi :) | 11:03 |
| * johnthetubaguy hides from ildikov | 11:04 | |
| johnthetubaguy | only kidding :) | 11:04 |
| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: well, I have a new version of the new attach flow patch that you should review :) | 11:04 |
| b1airo | evening | 11:04 |
| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: I can ask oneswig to remind you after the meeting if that helps ;) | 11:05 |
| oneswig | Hi b1airo | 11:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | ildikov: totally should go have a look at that again, something for after lunch with a nice coffee :) | 11:05 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 11:05 |
| b1airo | not sure i will manage to stay the course - quickly fading through combination of jetlag and heat | 11:05 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo oneswig | 11:05 |
| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: tests are supposed to pass now, so pretty please | 11:05 |
| oneswig | b1airo: shall we do a roundup of SC first up then? | 11:05 |
| b1airo | sure | 11:06 |
| oneswig | #topic SC roundup | 11:06 |
| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: mriedem has Turkey week going so you're my only hope | 11:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "SC roundup (Meeting topic: scientific-sig)" | 11:06 | |
| oneswig | Turkey week - ha! :-) | 11:06 |
| oneswig | #link SKA keynote at SC https://youtu.be/VceKNiRxDBc?t=1h3m2s | 11:06 |
| oneswig | check out the A/V gear on stage there... | 11:07 |
| b1airo | i haven't actually seen the keynote yet, was it good? | 11:07 |
| oneswig | makes the OpenStack summit look like a school play! | 11:07 |
| oneswig | b1airo: I think it was well received. John T was there and saw some enthusiastic response | 11:08 |
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| b1airo | sounds like they got Alexa to read the intro... | 11:08 |
| oneswig | yes, it's a peculiar voice over. A bit like a very calm customer support kind of voice | 11:09 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: you mentioned the BoF was pretty well attended, but perhaps too many speakers up front for one session? | 11:11 |
| b1airo | yep | 11:11 |
| b1airo | i'd say slightly lower attendance than last year but still a pretty full room | 11:11 |
| oneswig | Last year was a very big room | 11:12 |
| b1airo | there was also a HPC Cloud BoF by DK Panda and co. on at the same time | 11:12 |
| b1airo | so not great scheduling | 11:12 |
| oneswig | John T tells me that went off on a docker vs singularity tangent | 11:12 |
| b1airo | i didn't speak to anyone that went to that BoF yet though so can't say if it pulled much attention | 11:12 |
| oneswig | and was not rich in data analytics content | 11:13 |
| b1airo | oh ok | 11:13 |
| b1airo | pity | 11:13 |
| oneswig | yeah | 11:13 |
| b1airo | the actual Shifter / Singularity / CharlieCloud session was very demilitarised | 11:13 |
| oneswig | demilitarised? | 11:14 |
| oneswig | as in, no religious war? | 11:14 |
| b1airo | yeah, uncontroversial | 11:14 |
| oneswig | that sounds better. | 11:14 |
| oneswig | How were the OpenStack talks at the IU booth? | 11:15 |
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| b1airo | there were some guys (i forget names and orgs) apparently representing europe (big call) on that panel who made some interesting points about MPI integration | 11:15 |
| oneswig | "speaking on behalf of Europe"... that's saying something, | 11:16 |
| b1airo | good, i think Tim probably had the most new material to share. also had that Intel fellow talking about OpenHPC integration | 11:17 |
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| oneswig | Was that Jeff? I think he's moved internally within Intel, unfortunately | 11:17 |
| oneswig | Did the books all go? | 11:17 |
| b1airo | Jeff sounds good - I had John stuck in my head by knew it wasn't right :-) | 11:18 |
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| b1airo | it's 10:20pm and still almost 30C | 11:19 |
| oneswig | Are you in Australia? It wasn't like that a couple of weeks ago... | 11:19 |
| b1airo | books were well received in the BoF. i think the IU booth still had a few on Wednesday evening but probably distributed the rest on Thurs | 11:19 |
| b1airo | yep - Melbourne weather! | 11:20 |
| ildikov | it's not 30C everywhere, but it's definitely a pretty nice evening :) | 11:20 |
| oneswig | OK, good to know about the books. | 11:20 |
| b1airo | 4 seasons in 1 day and all that | 11:20 |
| b1airo | ildikov, where are you this evening? | 11:20 |
| oneswig | b1airo: it's only dark season here today... | 11:21 |
| ildikov | b1airo: Forster (great Lakes or something like 4 hours North from Sydney) | 11:21 |
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| oneswig | ildikov: nice! Is it safe to swim in the lakes or are they full of toxic Australian fauna? | 11:22 |
| ildikov | oneswig: haven't asked/tried yet | 11:22 |
| b1airo | re. SC17, if I had to sum things up I'd say my impression is that OpenStack seems quite entrenched across quite a few large scale lab and university hpc centres now | 11:22 |
| ildikov | oneswig: but it certainly sounds discouraging to do so :) | 11:23 |
| b1airo | i think next year we would do well to spend more time on going around the room and trying to pull out bugbears and common problems | 11:23 |
| oneswig | b1airo: good to know. Part of the wider movement out of the lab and into production in research computing | 11:23 |
| ildikov | b1airo: that sounds pretty good! | 11:24 |
| b1airo | the challenge is to pull the conversation away from specific version and upgrade issues towards unmet requirements | 11:24 |
| oneswig | b1airo: I think you are right. It's too easy to talk without encouraging the quiet ones at the back to add their thoughts | 11:24 |
| ildikov | b1airo: is there any chance to have them involved in the SIG for instance or it's trickier than that? | 11:25 |
| oneswig | I was encouraged at how many people in Sydney had not taken part in the SIG previously | 11:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | In the past an etherpad to type your thoughts on certainly helps get thoughts from those that don't want to speak up over the loud people | 11:26 |
| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: +1 | 11:26 |
| b1airo | agreed, i did use an etherpad :-D | 11:26 |
| oneswig | johnthetubaguy: sure, we had one | 11:26 |
| oneswig | but I'm not sure how much it was used. | 11:27 |
| b1airo | there were maybe 8 people on it at most though | 11:27 |
| oneswig | There's a culture of debate-via-etherpad that doesn't come naturally outside of upstream contributors | 11:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, making people use the thing can be harder | 11:27 |
| b1airo | (however i was only able to put the URL up during the first 5 minutes as presenters had their own slides and there was no other screen or board | 11:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | probably not all their with their laptop charged ready to type in an etherpad | 11:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah... slides, that kills etherpad use | 11:28 |
| oneswig | I think the lightning talks went quite well though - we had some good diversity of content there. | 11:28 |
| b1airo | oneswig, yes i find the debate via etherpad thing very hard to follow - basically killed my following of updates to the recent LTS discussion | 11:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | (clearly there is no perfect solution here, very curious how it goes outside of the OpenStack world!) | 11:29 |
| b1airo | oneswig, agreed, was good to have some new (to me at least) stories there | 11:29 |
| oneswig | johnthetubaguy: me too. Is K8s developed in this manner I wonder? | 11:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oneswig: yeah, don't know | 11:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | good to see more folks stepping up to speak, sounds healthy :) | 11:30 |
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| oneswig | ildikov: do you know how well subscribed the openstack-sigs mailing list is now? Just wondering if we should keep discussions on operators and sigs lists | 11:31 |
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| ildikov | oneswig: I don't have the number, but will ask | 11:32 |
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| oneswig | at some point discussions should cut over from cross-posting but don't want to lose the relevant audience by doing that prematurely... | 11:32 |
| ildikov | oneswig: we keep referring to it in some Dev ML discussions etc and encouraging people to join, so I would think it's going up | 11:33 |
| oneswig | OK, that's good. | 11:33 |
| ildikov | I will get back to you on this | 11:33 |
| oneswig | I think we are too thin on the ground today to do much with the other items on the agenda. I suggest I follow up on the mailing list about them. | 11:35 |
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| oneswig | I had one item - for next week, a Slurm-on-OpenStack theme. b1airo do you think Chris Hines would be interested? | 11:35 |
| b1airo | oneswig, yes i'm sure he would | 11:36 |
| b1airo | i suspect many HPC operators would be | 11:36 |
| oneswig | Piyanai I know was interested in presenting their work again | 11:37 |
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| b1airo | oneswig, did you attend the ORC meeting on Thurs after the Summit? | 11:39 |
| oneswig | OK, let's aim for that. I'll see if we can get the Intel OpenHPC team involved too. | 11:39 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: yes I did - with ildikov | 11:39 |
| b1airo | i heard you might have been a bit worse for wear... | 11:39 |
| b1airo | didn't see you at Karaoke though?? | 11:40 |
| oneswig | I went on for high-level discussions with Tim afterwards... | 11:40 |
| ildikov | yep, I can confirm oneswig was there too :) | 11:40 |
| oneswig | ildikov: sorry to leave abruptly | 11:40 |
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| b1airo | Tim said he thought it was an improved meeting | 11:41 |
| ildikov | oneswig: all good, everyone was leaving quickly after the group photo | 11:41 |
| oneswig | I must admit, I'm glad I didn't make it to karaoke, could have been far worse... | 11:41 |
| ildikov | b1airo: good news I guess, I wanted to ask for feedback :) | 11:41 |
| b1airo | by the way on this topic - I was chatting to Resa Reynolds from Cornell, they are one of the partners in this project: https://federatedcloud.org/ | 11:42 |
| b1airo | i know Resa through the DellXL HPC community. they were previously using Eucalyptus but are currently making the switch to OpenStack | 11:43 |
| ildikov | oh, with the NSF stamp on it, nice | 11:43 |
| b1airo | yeah, i wondered whether the ORC chairs have been in touch with them - should be looking to collaborate | 11:43 |
| oneswig | ildikov: The impression I got was the initiative wants to arrive at a (distant) goal but should focus more on first steps. Perhaps I'm not active enough in the discussions but I was expecting to see something more like a roadmap. Early days still? | 11:44 |
| ildikov | b1airo: not sure, but I can bring this up on one of the upcoming meetings | 11:44 |
| b1airo | (in fact the NSF people showed up at their booth when I was there!) | 11:44 |
| ildikov | b1airo: oh, nice! | 11:45 |
| b1airo | please do ildikov - like oneswig I feel a bit too removed from the conversation to put my oar in and don't have the bandwidth either | 11:45 |
| ildikov | oneswig: something like, I think we would like to set up a goal to agree on and encourage more organizations/institutions to get involved and set up that roadmap | 11:45 |
| b1airo | ...i wonder whether we could convince them to piggy-back on our meetings every so often | 11:46 |
| ildikov | oneswig: or as they operate now that's what seems "doable" to me at this point | 11:46 |
| oneswig | ildikov: institutions will want to see evidence of an advantage to the effort of taking part, I guess | 11:46 |
| ildikov | however trying to encourage people to set up some achievable items as I think that would be more appealing | 11:46 |
| ildikov | b1airo: will do, I will also encourage them to take some notes from the meetings | 11:47 |
| ildikov | b1airo: I think I'll fly during the next one and it's almost impossible to figure out what happened during these calls if you don't attend :( | 11:47 |
| oneswig | Isn't Martial a co-chair now? | 11:47 |
| ildikov | yep, he is | 11:48 |
| ildikov | so there should be a close connection besides me | 11:48 |
| b1airo | the teleconference thing is not great | 11:48 |
| ildikov | I think he usually attends this meeting when it's in his TZ | 11:48 |
| ildikov | b1airo: there are communities that handle it, but they take at least some notes on IRC or some other format | 11:49 |
| oneswig | last time he was up at 2am, as I recall. There are very few things I'll get up at 2am for. | 11:49 |
| ildikov | ORC has Slack now | 11:49 |
| ildikov | but no real activity there at this point | 11:49 |
| b1airo | i also heard some gossip that set off alarm bells for me - was Khalil suggesting the concept of a broker appliance ? | 11:49 |
| ildikov | I'll try and see whether I can get some life on it :) | 11:49 |
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| ildikov | he has a few figures now with stuff like that | 11:50 |
| ildikov | I need to look up the slides though, I don't remember the structure that well, maybe oneswig does | 11:50 |
| oneswig | There was a hardware appliance in the concept diagram which was not well received. | 11:51 |
| oneswig | I think it was more of a gateway - don't remember any reference to a broker. | 11:52 |
| ildikov | I remember the gateway impression | 11:52 |
| ildikov | I got confused on some of the parts | 11:52 |
| ildikov | and I also mentioned that if any SW gets developed we should have an open source reference implementation | 11:53 |
| ildikov | we almost got into a don't close out commercial players debate on that one... | 11:53 |
| b1airo | hmmm | 11:54 |
| ildikov | I don't think we're on a wrong track, they just need heads up on aspects every now and then | 11:55 |
| ildikov | IMHO | 11:55 |
| verdurin | Okay, I confess I hadn't updated my calendar entry for the time change. Bah. | 11:56 |
| b1airo | hi verdurin :-) | 11:56 |
| oneswig | verdurin: never mind, we can run for a second hour :-) | 11:56 |
| ildikov | verdurin: been there, done that, I missed almost all my meetings for days for the last one... | 11:57 |
| verdurin | Definite interest from the RCUK Cloud WG for input to our workshop from the SIG | 11:57 |
| b1airo | one of the interesting things about the federatedcloud.org project that Resa mentioned was that they were figuring out some sort of capacity exchange mechanism - from the website: "This project will serve as an important model for campus cyberinfrastructure that other institutions can follow providing flexibility in support of multi-discipline scientific workflows, elasticity by sharing resources, and an allocation model that provides a fair | 11:57 |
| b1airo | exchange mechanism for resource access between and across multiple institutions." | 11:57 |
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| oneswig | OK, alas we are out of time | 11:59 |
| ildikov | b1airo: that indeed sounds interesting | 11:59 |
| oneswig | b1airo: there's a good deal in common there. Can we get them along to a meeting? | 11:59 |
| ildikov | b1airo: would be good to connect with them | 11:59 |
| oneswig | b1airo: Whenever I see bartering of resources I think of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Soup | 12:00 |
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| martial_ | : I seem to be 1h late when I thought to be on time | 12:00 |
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| oneswig | OK, time's up, thanks ildikov johnthetubaguy b1airo verdurin | 12:00 |
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| verdurin | bye | 12:01 |
| b1airo | ha, yes a classic oneswig | 12:01 |
| ildikov | oneswig: hmmm, didn't know the Hungarian version before :) | 12:01 |
| oneswig | ah hello martial_ - alas it seems so | 12:01 |
| oneswig | I'm sure you'll be out in force next week :-) | 12:01 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 12:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 22 12:01:46 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2017/scientific_sig.2017-11-22-11.00.html | 12:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2017/scientific_sig.2017-11-22-11.00.txt | 12:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2017/scientific_sig.2017-11-22-11.00.log.html | 12:01 |
| martial_ | weird my calendar thinks I am on time ... DST and all | 12:01 |
| ildikov | martial_: the switch from daylight savings gets as all at some point it seems :) | 12:01 |
| oneswig | BTW I did this meeting as scientific_sig not scientific_wg | 12:02 |
| b1airo | good thing there is no daylight savings in UTC, otherwise we'd never meet at the right time! | 12:02 |
| ildikov | b1airo: +1 | 12:02 |
| martial_ | okay cool, sorry | 12:02 |
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| dougsz | hey all | 15:01 |
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| dougsz | any monasca folks here for the meeting? | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | hmmm... | 15:01 |
| oanson | Isn't the massively distributed meeting here now? | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | this is the time for the femdc SIG? | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | #startmeeting massively_distributed_clouds | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 22 15:02:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ad_rien_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | #chair ad_rien_ | 15:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ad_rien_ | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic roll call | 15:02 |
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| ad_rien_ | so sorry for the delay, I'm attending a conference and I need to find a more peaceful location. | 15:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | So don't know how many people will be there today (thanksgivings week) | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | so let's see | 15:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | o/ | 15:03 |
| oanson | o/ | 15:03 |
| msimonin1 | hey o/ | 15:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | so Three ;) | 15:04 |
| alex__ | hi | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | anyone else | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:04 |
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| rcherrueau | o/ | 15:04 |
| lihi | o/ | 15:04 |
| irenab | ין | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | #info agenda | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massivfbely_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 line 1484 | 15:06 |
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| ad_rien_ | so before starting may I ask to the new folks who they are? and what are your expectactions with respect to the FEMDC SiG | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:07 |
| msimonin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 line 1484 | 15:07 |
| msimonin | (one typo in the above link) | 15:07 |
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| * irenab working both on Dragonflow ad Kurryr projects, here to understand better the use cases and requirements | 15:08 | |
| ad_rien_ | cool | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | welcome irenab | 15:08 |
| msimonin | welcome irenab | 15:08 |
| oanson | I'm new. I was in the Sydney Summit workgroup meeting and would like to hear more info. I'm also on the Dragonflow project. | 15:08 |
| msimonin | welcome oanson :) | 15:09 |
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| ad_rien_ | great to see more folks | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | and If I'm correct lihi ? | 15:09 |
| lihi | Yes :) | 15:09 |
| lihi | Also working on Dragonflow. I've been in your session at the summit, and would love to hear more | 15:09 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | So we are used to work with the etherpad (as usual in the OpenStack community). Please feel free to comment or add questions directly in the pad | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | msimonin copied the link and the line | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | any question before starting ? | 15:11 |
| irenab | no | 15:11 |
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| ad_rien_ | #topic announcement | 15:12 |
| oanson | None here. | 15:12 |
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| ad_rien_ | so I don't not have too many information to share today | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | as I said this is the thanksgivings week and more of our US folks are on vacations. | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | Maybe two points (already noticed in the pad) | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | First there is a new mailing list that has been created by the OpenSTack foundation | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | I do not have additional information but the one I shared on the pad | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | I sent an email to the foundation to try to clarify what are the objectives of this new ML and the envisioned working sessions that have been highlighted in the invitation | 15:13 |
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| ad_rien_ | the second point is related to the latest document AT&T did on the edge computing | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | I put the link in the pad too | 15:14 |
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| ad_rien_ | Last but not the least, dpertin is still on vacations so we do not debrief yet regarding the summit | 15:15 |
| msimonin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/edge-computing | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | The only information I have is that there were several sessions dealing with edge computing challenges. | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | I hope dpertin or parus will be able to share important feedbacks during the next meeting. | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | So that's all from my side. | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | Any news to share ? | 15:16 |
| irenab | I also saw the Use Cases doc. Is there any recording of the presentation? | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | the session chaired by Beth (verizon)? | 15:17 |
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| irenab | not sure, Telco Edge use cases | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | AFAIK, we are still working on the white paper (we expect to release it by the end of the year). | 15:17 |
| irenab | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1pAAdrzn1kgQCCAffdngiE-NvzsDn8sN4Uj6NFV6NgjQ/edit#slide=id.p4 | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | there are still some points that need to be clarified in particular on the requirements | 15:18 |
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| irenab | so is this going to be discussed during the next meetings? | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | regarding to these slides. I think it is preferable to wait for parus (paul-andre) for the next meeting | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | irenab: yes ;) ? | 15:19 |
| irenab | thanks! | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | Paul-André is chairing this action. | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | #action Paul-Andre should give us feedbacks on his presentation | 15:19 |
| irenab | I thought maybe it was presented in Sydney | 15:19 |
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| ad_rien_ | yes it has been presented as a lighting talk | 15:20 |
| msimonin | this maybe : https://www.openstack.org/videos/sydney-2017/telco-use-cases-for-massively-distributed-edge-clouds | 15:20 |
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| ad_rien_ | If I'm right | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | msimonin: yes thanks | 15:21 |
| irenab | msimonin: thanks | 15:21 |
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| ad_rien_ | #topic on-going actions - Use-cases | 15:21 |
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| ad_rien_ | can be better as we already started to discuss about use-cases | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | is there anyone from FBK ? | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | I don't think so... | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | so the meeting would probably be shorter today . | 15:22 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok so I guess that we neither have folks from ericsson unfortunately ? | 15:24 |
| msimonin | It seems it's Inria/Dragonflow meeting :) | 15:24 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok so we can probably change the agenda ? | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | I mean this can be more fruitful for everyone? | 15:25 |
| msimonin | yes probably | 15:25 |
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| ad_rien_ | The agenda has been updated with enough information from my viewpoint regarding current status of on-going actions | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | if this is ok for everyone, we can maybe try to answer the questions you may have | 15:25 |
| msimonin | We can have a pass on the two actions AMQP and cockroach ? | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | so irenab lihi oanson ? | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | as you want | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | so let's do a brief pass on cockroach and AMQP | 15:26 |
| msimonin | ok | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | and then let the floor to DragonFlow folks ? | 15:26 |
| msimonin | I can try to sum up these with rcherrueau | 15:26 |
| msimonin | yes let's do this | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | please | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic on-going action - cockroach - | 15:27 |
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| ad_rien_ | so rcherrueau ? | 15:27 |
| rcherrueau | May I put the general idea for dragon flow folks? | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | sure | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_ | or the other way ? | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_ | no, please go on rcherrueau | 15:28 |
| rcherrueau | When you look at OpenStack services there are two components that don't scale | 15:28 |
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| rcherrueau | the message bus and the database | 15:28 |
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| rcherrueau | you know that, for sure, because dragon decided to change the database backend | 15:29 |
| oanson | Yes. Also the message bus was changed | 15:29 |
| msimonin | oanson: ah ! | 15:29 |
| rcherrueau | at dragon flow, you decided to go with a NoSQL database (if I remember correctly) | 15:29 |
| irenab | rcherrueau: right, no need for AMQP | 15:30 |
| oanson | Yes. We use a distributed key-value store. We use a pub/sub mechanism on top of that, so messages are passed with less overhead. | 15:30 |
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| rcherrueau | Going with a NoSQL database, is a good option, but you have to re-implement all queries | 15:30 |
| irenab | but this resolves the networking part, there arestill other openstack services that require them | 15:31 |
| rcherrueau | yes, some openstack services really need a sql database | 15:31 |
| rcherrueau | or, at least, a database that implements the sql semantic | 15:31 |
| oanson | rcherrueau, we re-wrote the entire db model (for better or for worse) | 15:31 |
| rcherrueau | And here come NewSQL databases | 15:32 |
| rcherrueau | NewSQL databases are SQL databases that are distributed and scale out | 15:32 |
| rcherrueau | and also implements the sql semantics | 15:32 |
| irenab | I am still learning about this group objectives, so correct me if I am wrong. You are looking to resolve more than networking part. Resolve general Edge<->DC/Cloud use case. right? | 15:33 |
| rcherrueau | (ACID properties and transactions work like in a centralized sql database) | 15:33 |
| rcherrueau | For my side, I am looking at making some OpenStack services (keystone, nova) work on top of CockroachDB (a NewSQL database) | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | irenab: yes ? | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | s/yes ? /yes ! | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry | 15:34 |
| msimonin | irenab: yes, the ultimate goal | 15:34 |
| rcherrueau | to get a collaboration with many instances for free | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | the goal is to revise OpenStack core-services to be able to operte fog/edge infrastructures | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | so the first challenge is to deal with scalability/distribution issue | 15:35 |
| rcherrueau | since the will all share the same state | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | as rcherrueau said the DB and the communication bus are the first challenge to address | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | (then you have to deal with efficient management of VM images, network issues related to cross domain, i.e. tricircle like proposals…) | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry rcherrueau please go on (I hope I clarified your question irenab ) | 15:36 |
| irenab | ad_rien_: agree, it is challenging enough in large single data center, so can imagine once distributed across many PoPs | 15:36 |
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| ad_rien_ | actually the first experiments we made are encouraging | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | ;) | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | but rcherrueau and msimonin can say more | 15:36 |
| rcherrueau | So, regarding the support of CockroachDB we now passes all migrations during the deployment of keystone and nova | 15:37 |
| rcherrueau | Which means you can go with devstack, then define CockroachDB as db backend, and the deployment phase will be successful | 15:38 |
| rcherrueau | Queries works for Keystone | 15:38 |
| rcherrueau | but some don't work for nova | 15:38 |
| rcherrueau | Queries that don't work for nova are "correlated subqueries" | 15:39 |
| rcherrueau | #link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlated_subquery | 15:39 |
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| rcherrueau | We have some option here: (i) changing nova code for our PoC, (ii) trying to rewrite the query in the SQLAlchemy-dialect, ... | 15:40 |
| rcherrueau | Don't know if you wanna speak about that right now? | 15:40 |
| irenab | I do not think I can contribute much here, so up to you | 15:41 |
| rcherrueau | Anyway, if you have any questions regarding the db part, don't hesitate. | 15:41 |
| rcherrueau | irenab: actually my question was for ad_rien_ | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | sure ? | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | maybe msimonin can give an overview of AMQP work | 15:42 |
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| msimonin | sure | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | and then we can let the floor for the discussion ? | 15:43 |
| msimonin | sure | 15:43 |
| rcherrueau | ad_rien_: Do you want me to tell the pro and cons of the different options to implement correlated subqueries, or shall we continue? | 15:43 |
| msimonin | IMHO we should keep the details for later | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | I propose to go on with the AMQP solution | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | I think it is better | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | because this is a first introduction to what we are doing in the SiG | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic on-going action - AMQP - | 15:44 |
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| rcherrueau | sounds good to me | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | please @msimonin can you give a short overview | 15:44 |
| msimonin | So, porting the state management to cockroach is one action of the group here | 15:45 |
| msimonin | another action is to look at the message bus | 15:45 |
| msimonin | in the context of openstack services spread accros several sites | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | WANwide (i.e. not only in terms of scalability but in terms of Wide Area Network) | 15:45 |
| msimonin | the action is sumed up in the review : | 15:46 |
| msimonin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491818/ | 15:46 |
| msimonin | I would sum up this by saying we are evaluating both the transport protocol but also the patterns used by the different services | 15:46 |
| msimonin | Don't hesitate to have a look :) | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | :-) this is a rather effective summary ;) | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:47 |
| msimonin | Just to make things clearer these are not the only actions of the group :) | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | so I would like to ask some questions regarding one particular scenario to the DragonFlow folks? | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | May I ? | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | irenab: oanson lihi ? | 15:48 |
| lihi | Sure | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic openDiscussions | 15:48 |
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| ad_rien_ | One one the easiest scenario to operate a fog/edge infrastructure (ie. several sites that are geographically spread) | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_ | is to let the control plane in one DC | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_ | and then only operate remote compute nodes (so far so good) ? | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | The question is quite simple, will such a deployment benefit from DragonFlow (i.e. in terms of messages between compute nodes and dragonflow controllers)? | 15:49 |
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| ad_rien_ | (in comparison to the vanilla Neutron) | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | Please do not hesitate to ask me additional questions if I'm not clear enough | 15:50 |
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| oanson | We think so. Firstly, the controller is very close to switch. This way, it can detect faults more accurately (less false positives/negatives) | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | (Hi ansmith, the meeting is going to end if ten minutes ;) I though you were on vacations) | 15:51 |
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| ad_rien_ | (we have a few folks from DragonFlow so we changed a bit the agenda) | 15:51 |
| oanson | Secondly, Dragonflow works by pushing policies rather than flows to the nodes. We think this allows for better calculation according to local data. | 15:51 |
| ansmith | no worries, sorry to be late | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | it would be great to see where will be the dragonflow components in such a deployment | 15:52 |
| oanson | There are many options. | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | do you think one of you can prepare a slide to highlight where the components will be deployed (or if there is a pointer to give a look | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | ) | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | the goal is to try to mitigate the traffic between DCs | 15:53 |
| oanson | We definitely can. | 15:53 |
| oanson | We're working on a PoC for something similar, so it could be beneficial for us as well | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | (i.e. the global one, i.e. the one where you will find nova, glance, DBs, …. and the ones where you only have compute nodes) | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | yes I guess that this is also relevant in the case of a cell deployment | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | the idea is to mitigate the traffic between the different cells | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | (so far so good ?) | 15:54 |
| oanson | But this is a different direction that cockroachdb and ampq | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | hmm... | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | not sure… | 15:54 |
| oanson | Not mitigate the traffic so much as be more fault-tolerant | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | you can see cockroach as a noSQL system with the capability to write data locally | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | oanson: agreed | 15:55 |
| oanson | It's all right if the message doesn't make it. The database will eventually be updated, and eventually Dragonflow will see the change | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | we are working on a document to try to identify the pros/cons of different architectural choices | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | such as the ones you've just highlighted | 15:55 |
| oanson | ad_rien_, yes. We're completely pluggable. Writing a cockroachdb driver would be no problem. | 15:55 |
| msimonin | I think we aren't much familiar with dragonflow internals | 15:56 |
| msimonin | and | 15:56 |
| msimonin | oanson: what would be the first documents to read ? | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | oanson: do you think you can give us an short overview (a few slides) that we can give a look to | 15:56 |
| oanson | This is our blog: http://www.dragonflow.net/ | 15:56 |
| oanson | I note there's no introduction post. So I'll upload one tomorrow | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | of the advantages of DragonFlow in a fog/edge deployment such as the one I described (i.E. a master DC with most control plane services and remote compute nodes)? | 15:57 |
| oanson | Yes, a few slides is possible. | 15:57 |
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| ad_rien_ | it would be definitely awesome | 15:57 |
| msimonin | +1 | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | if you can do that for the next meeting (i.e. in two weeks) | 15:57 |
| oanson | This is a presentation I gave in openstack days Turkey last month: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1w_TTYk1085SuiZ8R2qYoYdBugShGKntvz3EqPgKDosw/edit?usp=sharing | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | You can just add the link toward these slides on the pad just one day before so everyone can give it a look | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | (guys two minutes before the end of the meeting) | 15:58 |
| msimonin | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1w_TTYk1085SuiZ8R2qYoYdBugShGKntvz3EqPgKDosw/edit?usp=sharing | 15:58 |
| msimonin | just recording some links :) | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | Ok | 15:58 |
| oanson | Sure. I'll make a more clear presentation as well. | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | May I propose to continue the discussion during the next meeting | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | I will add an item in the agenda for sure | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | great | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | so thanks everyone for joining the meeting | 15:59 |
| oanson | Thanks! | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | if there is something special to discuss | 15:59 |
| msimonin | Thanks | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | please add it into the pad | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 22 15:59:33 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-11-22-15.02.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-11-22-15.02.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-11-22-15.02.log.html | 15:59 |
| jungleboyj | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 22 16:00:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
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| jungleboyj | courtesy ping: jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | damn DST | 16:00 |
| erlon | hey | 16:00 |
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| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| lhx_ | hi | 16:00 |
| Soumya | Hi | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I know what you mean. The clock in my car was off an hour the other day and it didn't even feel that wrong given all the time changes I have been through. | 16:01 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Give people just another minute and then we can start. | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Glad to see this many people here today. :-) | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok ... | 16:03 |
| bswartz | it's bug squash day in chinda | 16:03 |
| bswartz | china even | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | bswartz: That is how Trump pronounces it. I am sure the spelling has been changed. | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
| bswartz | >_< | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj | I have made some updates to the review tracking etherpad given specs that made it through. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | Also have looked a t driver proposals and made some updates to that part of the etherpad | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks to all who have helped on the spec and driver reviews. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Appreciate continued reviews. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | We are getting very close to Milestone 2 for queens. Spec and Driver freeze is on 12/4 | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | Looks like specs are awaiting responses for the most part. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | So, if you have a spec or driver you want in, please respond to reviews soon. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Also wanted to note that I have released os-brick 2.1.0 | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | The release was needed to get NVMEoF support in place. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | This was needed by Cinder and Nova. | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | So, enjoy the new brick. :-) | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | And as bswartz reminded me. The bugsmash is going on in China. Please watch for reviews coming through related to that and try to help get things merged. tommylikehu was going to be helping guide us from that perspective. | 16:08 |
| abishop | o/ | 16:08 |
| bswartz | jungleboyj: do we have backends with nvmeof support yet? | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Queens-Wuhan-Bugs-List Bugsmash etherpad | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: There's one being proposed. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: Not yet, that is what this is for. | 16:09 |
| bswartz | which backend? (I'm just curious) | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thanks! | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Do you know which driver needed it? | 16:10 |
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| e0ne | bswartz: AFAK, Mellanox and Intel teams are interested in drivers implementations for NVMe backends | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | That one. ^^ | 16:11 |
| * smcginnis is looking for link | 16:11 | |
| bswartz | I'm pretty sure nothing netapp has supports nvmeof out the front end (yet) although we use it on the backend | 16:11 |
| bswartz | k thx | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Thanks. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505556/ NVMeF LVM update | 16:11 |
| bswartz | must go faster! | 16:11 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok ... next topic | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Cinder Logging/Test Failure Problem Update | 16:13 |
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| e0ne | there are several drivers which can use RDMA and NVMe things | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | Wanted to give smcginnis an opportunity to let us know where all the check/gate failures are at. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | Sure. So the root cause appears to be in some hand off between stestr and subunit parser. | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | This wasn't seen until the switch to stestr. But it hasn't been possible to track that down there yet. | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | But really, our failures were due to some tests outputting a ton of log messages during runs. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | That seemed to be the trigger that would hit this condition. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | So I started looking at that output and most of it was just junk. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | I've had a series of patches now cleaning things up. Getting rid of deprecation messages and changing some log levels for things that were not really relevant. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | So if you still see anything that fails with the message about "unexpected output blah blah octet-stream", then check the "captured logging" above that. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | There would most likely be a test that emitted a bunch of junk. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | But hopefully we have things cleaned up enough now that it is not likely anymore. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | I think I've seen the py35 tests passing pretty normally the last day or so. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | (forgot to mention, this is only with py35) | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I think that's pretty much it for an update. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Cool. Thank you and thank you so much for all your efforts there to clean things up. Good work! | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | Anyone have questions around that? | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | Thanks, feels good just to have the logs cleaned up. | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis adds to his legacy | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: ++ It is quite the legacy. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks to mtreinish for his help as well. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | Hah | 16:20 |
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| jungleboyj | Next topic ... | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | (Hah was not directed at the mtreinish comment - he and jgriffith have been very helpful) | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Cinder Content for Contributor Portal | 16:20 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yeah, that was pretty obvious. :-) | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://www.openstack.org/Community | 16:21 |
| mtreinish | yay, I helped! :) | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | A bit of background ... | 16:21 |
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| lhx_ | jungleboyj, that's really help! | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | So, thingee has been working on putting together a new part of the website that will be like a 'Choose your own adventure' for getting started contributing to OpenStack. | 16:23 |
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| jungleboyj | Has resources on who to contact from the foundation, etc. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | The OpenStack Upstream Institute team is planning to use this as a basis for our education as well. | 16:24 |
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| jungleboyj | We (smcginnis and I help with that) have a todo between now and Vancouver to work on porting over some of our content from the education into that portal. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | So, there will be additional content going into it, not sure exactly what that will look like yet. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | From a Cinder standpoint, right now, you just drop into our developer documentation which I feel is not helpful. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://docs.openstack.org/cinder/latest/ | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | Sure, everything is there, but if I were a new contributor wanting to get started I would be totally overwhelmed and frustrated by that. | 16:27 |
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| jungleboyj | I am thinking we should create a new landing page for people coming in from the contributor portal. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | That would probably be good. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | We could have a nice getting started page with just links to more material at a minimum. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | Take some of the content from the on-boarding presentation and put it out there in a friendlier format. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | Or should it point to one of our wiki pages? | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | Who is the team? Links to the important information like the Wiki page. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yeah, we could look at that and see what is already in the Wiki. | 16:29 |
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| jungleboyj | But I would like to have a bit more of a guided setup. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: You're probably right though. A nice landing page that references the wiki, etc. would probably be good to have. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | I.E. a link to the on-boarding presentation I recorded. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | The picture that shows how Cinder's components work together. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | Who the team is. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | How to communicate with us. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | All that good stuff. | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | How to communicate with us - in pig latin. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | igpey atinlay | 16:31 |
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| jungleboyj | Anyone else have thoughts or questions around that? | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | Thinking it will be a new page/set of pages under cinder/doc/source/contributor | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Makes sense to me. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Cool. I will start working on that and keep the team updated. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | Would like to get as much feedback as possible because what may be useful to me may not be useful to everyone. | 16:34 |
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| jungleboyj | Anyway, I will keep working forward on that. | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Open Discussion | 16:35 |
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| jungleboyj | That was all I had on the agenda. Anything for Open Discussion? | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | Anyone still awake? | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | otnay emlay | 16:36 |
| * jungleboyj shakes my head | 16:37 | |
| jungleboyj | I am going to take silence as a no and wrap things up for today then. | 16:37 |
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| geguileo | XD | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | For those of you in the US, I hope that you all have a safe and happy Thanksgiving. | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj | I will be on and off the next couple of days so ping me if you need anything. | 16:39 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Have a good holiday. | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Same to you! | 16:39 |
| e0ne | see you next week! | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | Otherwise I will talk to you all next week! | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | \o | 16:39 |
| geguileo | Happy Thanksgiving! | 16:39 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks geguileo ! | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:39 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (✧∇✧)╯ | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 16:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 22 16:39:59 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-11-22-16.00.html | 16:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-11-22-16.00.txt | 16:40 |
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| Zara | no storyboard meeting this week, though as always, feel free to come by with questions, comments etc in #storyboard! | 18:58 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 22 21:00:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| kota_ | o// | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| torgomatic | . | 21:00 |
| * notmyname expects a smaller group today | 21:00 | |
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| mattoliverau | Good thing I've been dieting :p | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | #topic catch up, open discussion, office hour, what do we need to discuss? | 21:01 |
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| acoles | hello | 21:01 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | ML post this morning about release notes that will likely affect us (don't know how much yet) | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-November/124815.html | 21:01 |
| notmyname | looks like some code organization changes that makes some thing easier in the future (one, docs for not-python, should apply to us in the future) | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | I know that many (all) of us at swiftstack have been doing some internal product stuff for a few weeks. we're still at it, but I expect that to be mostly done in the near future | 21:04 |
| notmyname | (prediction, not promise) | 21:04 |
| notmyname | what else is going on? | 21:04 |
| notmyname | what do you have to bring up this week? | 21:05 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: how's the symlink work going? | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | Well you've all been missed | 21:05 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: aww... thanks :-) | 21:05 |
| m_kazuhiro | notmyname: Succeeding review cycle. Thank you mattoliverau! | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | I wrote up notes from what we discussed re task lists in Swift at summit | 21:05 |
| notmyname | nice! | 21:06 |
| notmyname | linked from the ideas page? | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | Yeah, I was going to find it, but haven't had coffee and on phone so running slow :p | 21:06 |
| notmyname | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/ideas/task-execution or https://docs.google.com/document/d/11sBbB6pBvLYNeM9wjTdvvsJIu8Dl8i13UH2NfRVNOqg/edit#heading=h.u5kq7utbivxa | 21:07 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks for doing that | 21:07 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: for symlinks, what do you need? are you blocked by anything right now? | 21:07 |
| m_kazuhiro | notmyname: I want more reviewers for symlink. | 21:08 |
| notmyname | got it | 21:08 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: thanks for those notes on tasks | 21:08 |
| notmyname | timburke: acoles: mattoliverau: anything to bring up this week? | 21:09 |
| notmyname | kota_: I see you've been playing with proxyfs | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | We still need to figure out what to do with the legacy task lists | 21:10 |
| kota_ | notmyname: yup | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | But the idea looks cool | 21:10 |
| notmyname | kota_: feel free to sign up for and ask questions on https://lists.proxyfs.org/mailman/listinfo | 21:10 |
| acoles | notmyname: not really | 21:10 |
| kota_ | mattoliverau: good work for the summary for task queue discussion | 21:10 |
| acoles | thanks everyone for keeping things moving while some of us are busy elsewhere | 21:11 |
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| m_kazuhiro | mattoliverau: Thank you for your work about summit docs | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | I've been reviewing and doing what I can. I played with Swift stats during hack week at SUSE. Not 100% sure how useful but was fun | 21:11 |
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| kota_ | notmyname: yeah, I'm willing to use it. At first, summarizing my thought, i have to study about file system more :P | 21:11 |
| kota_ | i'm preparing some memos for deploying w/o runway, perhaps it may be worth for docs for ProxyFS | 21:12 |
| notmyname | kota_: yep. definitely | 21:13 |
| notmyname | I've been reading some of the summit summaries that people have posted. anyone else found any good ones? any that you've published? | 21:13 |
| mattoliverau | I published a simple email to the team, maybe I should blog it instead | 21:13 |
| notmyname | https://anticdent.org/openstack-developer-satisfaction.html was pretty interesting, I thought | 21:14 |
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| kota_ | the title looks interesting, I'll read it thx, notmyname | 21:15 |
| notmyname | does anyone else have anything to discuss? I know it's late or early for some of you | 21:15 |
| notmyname | oh! | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | I'll be at aws reinvent next week, so I won't be able to run this 2100 meeting | 21:15 |
| notmyname | (and holiday for the rest of this week) | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | I propose we skip next week's meeting | 21:16 |
| kota_ | (to be honest, it's a holiday in Japan too) | 21:16 |
| notmyname | this week or next? | 21:16 |
| kota_ | today | 21:16 |
| notmyname | bah! /kick kota_ m_kazuhiro don't work during a holiday | 21:17 |
| notmyname | ;-) | 21:17 |
| kota_ | lol | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | Lol | 21:17 |
| m_kazuhiro | lol | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | I assume it'll be extra quite today then in channel | 21:17 |
| notmyname | ok ok ok. let's be done then :-) | 21:17 |
| notmyname | and no meeting next week | 21:17 |
| acoles | cue for mattoliverau everyday is a holiday in oz :) | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | I do live on a beach ;) | 21:17 |
| notmyname | happy holiday to everyone who has one. and happy day-that-ends-in-y to acoles | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | And it's always sunny | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 22 21:18:17 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-11-22-21.00.html | 21:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-11-22-21.00.txt | 21:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-11-22-21.00.log.html | 21:18 |
| clarkb | mattoliverau: I dunno I now have first hand experience with it not always being sunny (thats ok the weather was nice) | 21:18 |
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| mattoliverau | clarkb: unless you came to summit and then you got a bunch of rain.. I blame notmyname. The rains came when he arrived :p | 21:19 |
| notmyname | I have proof that "notmyname in australia" doesn't cause rain ;-) | 21:20 |
| mattoliverau | Now forget about the summit rain.. I live so far away and want people to be jealous | 21:21 |
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