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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 8 03:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| mkrai | Madhuri | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| Namrata | Namrata | 03:00 |
| pksingh | Hello | 03:00 |
| kiseok7 | hello | 03:00 |
| spn | o/ | 03:00 |
| kevinz | kevinz | 03:00 |
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| hongbin | thanks for joining hte meeting mkrai Namrata pksingh kiseok7 spn kevinz | 03:01 |
| kiennt | o/ | 03:01 |
| hongbin | let's get started | 03:01 |
| hongbin | thanks for joining kiennt | 03:01 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:01 | |
| hongbin | 1. We will cut a pike release for Zun server soon (within one week or two) | 03:01 |
| hongbin | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html Pike release schedule | 03:01 |
| hongbin | if you have patches that need to land on pike, please submit it in these weeks | 03:02 |
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| hongbin | that is all from me | 03:03 |
| hongbin | another announcement from our team members? | 03:03 |
| hongbin | a question, which patches you think we should land on pike and haven't been merged? | 03:03 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/zun the review queue | 03:04 |
| shu-mutou | Hi! | 03:04 |
| mkrai | I have one on "make delete async" | 03:04 |
| hongbin | hi shu-mutou | 03:04 |
| mkrai | I will resubmit the patch today | 03:04 |
| mkrai | hongbin: This one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452660/ | 03:04 |
| hongbin | mkrai: ack, this one needs an api version bump i think | 03:04 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Will do it. Thanks | 03:05 |
| Shunli | create with existing port is better to have in pike, i think. | 03:05 |
| hongbin | Shunli: ack | 03:05 |
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| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/481861/ | 03:05 |
| hongbin | anything else? | 03:06 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:06 |
| hongbin | reviewers, please put the above patches in a higher priority | 03:06 |
| hongbin | ok, next topic | 03:06 |
| pksingh | sure | 03:06 |
| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 03:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:07 | |
| hongbin | 1. hongbin ask nova core about how to deal with api microversion (PENDING) | 03:07 |
| hongbin | i will do that this week | 03:07 |
| hongbin | 2. hongbin pose an architecture diagram at the zun wiki page (DONE) | 03:07 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Architecture | 03:07 |
| hongbin | that is all for review action items | 03:07 |
| hongbin | any question for this topic? | 03:07 |
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| hongbin | #topic Cinder integration | 03:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder integration (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:08 | |
| hongbin | i am working on this one | 03:08 |
| hongbin | what is ready to review is a WIP patch in CLI | 03:08 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491271/ | 03:09 |
| hongbin | it is not ready to merge yet, but you could see how the CLI will look like | 03:09 |
| hongbin | i am still working on the server side patch, hope i can get a WIP patch ready this week | 03:09 |
| hongbin | if this feature is finish, the CLI command will look like this: | 03:10 |
| hongbin | $ zun run -v <cinder_volume>:/data <image> | 03:10 |
| hongbin | that means bind-mount the cinder volume to the container in '/data' path | 03:10 |
| shu-mutou | Will Cinder integration be merged in Pike? | 03:11 |
| hongbin | shu-mutou: no, will target on Q | 03:11 |
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| shu-mutou | I see. thx. :) | 03:11 |
| hongbin | any other comment on this? | 03:11 |
| spn | cinder_volume is a pre-allocated vol? | 03:12 |
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| hongbin | spn: in the first implementation, it is pre-allocated | 03:12 |
| hongbin | spn: if someone else has a proposal to allocate the volume along with the container, it can go into the second iteration of implementation | 03:13 |
| spn | hongbin: ok. makes sense | 03:13 |
| Shunli | the CLI will be reused by fuxi driver, right? | 03:13 |
| hongbin | Shunli: yes, the CLI should be independent of hte backend, regardless of fuxi or others | 03:14 |
| Shunli | ack | 03:14 |
| hongbin | ok, seems there is no more comment, advance topic | 03:15 |
| hongbin | #topic Introduce container composition (kevinz) | 03:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduce container composition (kevinz) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:15 | |
| hongbin | kevinz: ^^ | 03:15 |
| kevinz | Hi All | 03:15 |
| kevinz | Last week I'm blocked with some internal issues, could not do more about capsule | 03:16 |
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| kevinz | Just move the capsule API to experimental | 03:16 |
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| kevinz | Patch has submitted yesterday | 03:17 |
| hongbin | kevinz: perhaps you could explain to the team why we decide to move the API to experimental | 03:17 |
| kevinz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484602/ | 03:17 |
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| kevinz | hongbin: yeah, because capsule API still in development, staying in API v1 will bump the version when new capsule introduce | 03:18 |
| hongbin | kevinz: yes, that is the reason | 03:19 |
| kevinz | So move the v1/capsules/ to experimental/capsules. So separate capsule with v1, and keep v1 stable. When capsule API are ready to merge, we can move it to v1. | 03:19 |
| hongbin | any comment on this? | 03:20 |
| kevinz | So now if we want to use capsules API, need to create new service and entry point for it. There is a patch about this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491451/ | 03:20 |
| mkrai | zun capsule-create will work with this? | 03:21 |
| mkrai | How is it handled at the zunclient? Multiple services? | 03:22 |
| kevinz | mkrai: yeah, any capsule api will work in experimental | 03:22 |
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| kevinz | mkrai: create a new service called: zun-experimental | 03:23 |
| kevinz | mkrai: zunclient will use this. | 03:23 |
| mkrai | Because the service type at zunclient is 'container'. | 03:23 |
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| kevinz | mkrai: yes, new service type called container-experimental. | 03:24 |
| mkrai | We might have to specify the zun-experimental explicitly. | 03:24 |
| mkrai | Is there a patch for zunclient uploaded already? | 03:24 |
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| kevinz | mkrai: Not yet, will push it in a minute:-) | 03:24 |
| kevinz | after solve some conflicts | 03:25 |
| mkrai | kevinz: Ok I will look at it. Thanks :) | 03:25 |
| hongbin | i think it will be similar as cinder v2 and v3, both version has an api endpoints and service catalog | 03:25 |
| kevinz | mkrai: Thx very much | 03:25 |
| kevinz | hongbin: definitely | 03:25 |
| mkrai | hongbin: ack. I haven't seen at cinder code :) | 03:25 |
| hongbin | any other comment before advancing topic? | 03:26 |
| hongbin | ok, the next topic is NFV | 03:27 |
| hongbin | however, lakerzhou said he cannot come today, so let's skip this one | 03:27 |
| hongbin | #topic Zun connector for k8s | 03:27 |
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| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/zun-connector-for-k8s | 03:28 |
| mkrai | This one sounds interesting :) | 03:28 |
| kevinz | Good topic | 03:28 |
| hongbin | yes | 03:28 |
| hongbin | first, let me introduce the context a bit | 03:28 |
| hongbin | microsoft has annouce a new container service called Aurze Container Instance (ACI): https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/announcing-azure-container-instances/ | 03:29 |
| hongbin | ACI is basically a microsoft version of Zun | 03:29 |
| hongbin | In ACI, the main resource is container | 03:29 |
| hongbin | Users can use ACI to create/delete/update/... container | 03:30 |
| hongbin | In addition, there is a k8s connector for AC | 03:30 |
| hongbin | ACI | 03:30 |
| hongbin | #link https://github.com/Azure/aci-connector-k8s | 03:31 |
| hongbin | i haven't looked into it in deep | 03:31 |
| hongbin | however, the idea looks very interesting | 03:31 |
| hongbin | which i think the Zun team might borrow the idea for k8s integration | 03:32 |
| hongbin | in summarize, how it works is to register a node in k8s | 03:32 |
| hongbin | the node represent the ACI service, and it has unlimited cpu/memory/... | 03:32 |
| hongbin | if pod is scheduled on this node, the ACI connector will translate it to a few containers in ACI | 03:33 |
| hongbin | basically, it allows users to use k8s API to run containers on microsoft cloud | 03:33 |
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| hongbin | that is a general introduction | 03:33 |
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| hongbin | any question so far? | 03:33 |
| pksingh | so k8s will invoke ACI connector? | 03:33 |
| kevinz | So it sounds like zun will serve as a backend for k8s? | 03:33 |
| hongbin | pksingh: i think yes | 03:34 |
| pksingh | so similar interface as kubelet? | 03:34 |
| hongbin | kevinz: yes, in particular, serve as a k8s node | 03:34 |
| hongbin | pksingh: i doubt if kubelet will have any API, what kubelet does is to watch the k8s API and lauch pods | 03:35 |
| kevinz | hongbin: "The whole Zun cluster" serve as a k8s node? | 03:35 |
| hongbin | pksingh: however, the connector will be very similar to kubelet, i assume it will watch the k8s API for pods in a similar way | 03:35 |
| pksingh | hongbin: so where does ACI fits in k8s? | 03:36 |
| hongbin | kevinz: i think your interpretation is correct | 03:36 |
| pksingh | ok, | 03:36 |
| hongbin | pksingh: ACI is a node in k8s with unlimited compute resources | 03:36 |
| pksingh | hongbin: OK | 03:37 |
| mkrai | The interaction b/w k8s services and Zun is not clear I guess | 03:37 |
| pksingh | i need to look more into that, will come with more questions :) | 03:37 |
| mkrai | hongbin: let's create an etherpad for this? | 03:38 |
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| hongbin | mkrai: yes, so far, it supports pod only, how it fits into resources other than pod is unknown | 03:38 |
| hongbin | mkrai: sure | 03:38 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-connector-k8s | 03:39 |
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| mkrai | hongbin: Thanks | 03:39 |
| hongbin | ok, we could work on the etherpad offline | 03:40 |
| kevinz | That is a new integration method between OpenStack and K8S, not provision K8s, just serve k8s. | 03:40 |
| hongbin | yes | 03:41 |
| kevinz | Seems like kuryr-k8s, in the compute resource level | 03:41 |
| hongbin | i would say zun would have a better future if we could figure out the right integration with k8s | 03:42 |
| hongbin | therefore, this bp is very important | 03:42 |
| mkrai | hongbin: +2 | 03:42 |
| Shunli | +2 | 03:42 |
| kevinz | +2 | 03:42 |
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| kiennt | hongbin: that's great! | 03:43 |
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| hongbin | looks everyone agree on this direction | 03:43 |
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| hongbin | cool | 03:44 |
| hongbin | any other comment on this topic? | 03:44 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:44 |
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| hongbin | if you have a topic that requires team discussion, now is the time to bring it up | 03:45 |
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| Shunli | I would like to start work on this bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/network-rest-api | 03:45 |
| hongbin | Shunli: awesome | 03:45 |
| Shunli | but docker network is on each compute node. | 03:46 |
| hongbin | yes | 03:46 |
| Shunli | neutron network is a global network. | 03:46 |
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| hongbin | therefore, i don't think it is a good idea to have a wrapper of the docker network api | 03:47 |
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| Shunli | seems user more likely to use a global network to create container. seems no need to implement this bp, thoughts? | 03:47 |
| hongbin | in my opinion, there are at least two api is needed | 03:48 |
| hongbin | 1. add_network_to_container | 03:48 |
| hongbin | 2. remove_network_to_container | 03:48 |
| hongbin | the network above is the global neutron network | 03:49 |
| hongbin | i guess nova has a similar api to add/remove network from an instance ? | 03:49 |
| hongbin | that is what i have in mind | 03:49 |
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| Shunli | agree. so i will change the to goal of the bp to implement attach/dettach network. | 03:50 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Agree | 03:50 |
| hongbin | Shunli: if you could think of any other API that is needed, please feel free to propose it | 03:51 |
| Shunli | ok. | 03:51 |
| hongbin | cool | 03:52 |
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| hongbin | any other topic to discuss? | 03:52 |
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| Shunli | no | 03:52 |
| hongbin | ok, all, thanks for joining the meeting, see you next time | 03:53 |
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| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 8 03:53:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-08-08-03.00.html | 03:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-08-08-03.00.txt | 03:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-08-08-03.00.log.html | 03:53 |
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| tpatil | samP: ping? | 04:10 |
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| tpatil | Looks like today's meeting is cancelled, but I haven't seen any communication on masakari mailing list or in the weekly agenda | 04:11 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | tpatil: yes, me too | 04:13 |
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| tpatil | Ok, if you guys have any questions or topics to discuss about Masakari , please discuss on openstack-masakari channel | 04:14 |
| abhishekk | ok | 04:15 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | tpatil: ok | 04:15 |
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| tpatil | I got to know from Sagara san that Sampath is traveling to Mexico to attend OpenStack Ops meetup | 04:16 |
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| abhishekk | ok | 04:17 |
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| yamamoto_ | #startmeeting networking_midonet | 07:21 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 8 07:21:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamamoto_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:21 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:21 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_midonet' | 07:21 |
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| yamamoto_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NetworkingMidoNet | 07:21 |
| yamamoto_ | #topic This meeting | 07:22 |
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| yamamoto_ | This meeting has had no useful discussions these days. I'd suggest to officially shut it down. | 07:22 |
| yamamoto_ | I'll submit a patch for irc-meetings. | 07:22 |
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| yamamoto_ | #endmeeting | 07:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 07:28 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 8 07:28:45 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2017/networking_midonet.2017-08-08-07.21.html | 07:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2017/networking_midonet.2017-08-08-07.21.txt | 07:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2017/networking_midonet.2017-08-08-07.21.log.html | 07:28 |
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| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 8 13:02:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:02 |
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| Qiming | hi | 13:04 |
| ruijie | evening, Qiming, XueFeng | 13:04 |
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| XueFeng | hi | 13:04 |
| Qiming | hi, this week is the RC1 week | 13:04 |
| XueFeng | evening, all | 13:05 |
| XueFeng | OK | 13:05 |
| Qiming | let's see if we have some patches to merge | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | I'm reading elynn's patch on nova server | 13:05 |
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| elynn | finally someone is reading it | 13:06 |
| Qiming | overall it looks good | 13:06 |
| XueFeng | Qiming, maybe there is a bug in client | 13:06 |
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| Qiming | I'm still trying to be picky | 13:06 |
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| XueFeng | Let me check | 13:07 |
| XueFeng | senlin node-list 'Namespace' object has no attribute 'os_profile' | 13:07 |
| elynn | sure, welcome picky. | 13:07 |
| Qiming | elynn, I don't like the 'return ex' or 'return obj, ex' code | 13:07 |
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| elynn | It's copycat from golang.. | 13:08 |
| Qiming | exceptions are not supposed to be passed this way | 13:08 |
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| Qiming | better change it to 'return error_string' or 'return obj, error_string' | 13:09 |
| elynn | error_string? | 13:09 |
| Qiming | the code won't cause an issue in its current state | 13:09 |
| Qiming | six.text_type(ex) | 13:09 |
| elynn | might lost the exception type in this way | 13:10 |
| Qiming | but in future, if someone wants to parse that exception "object", he will fail | 13:10 |
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| Qiming | exception objects are only meant to be parsed INSIDE a try ... except <parse it here> clause | 13:10 |
| elynn | I see.. Sounds good. | 13:10 |
| Qiming | I myself have suffered from that before | 13:11 |
| Qiming | trying to figure out the exception details out of the exception context ... most things changed | 13:11 |
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| elynn | persuaded, I will modify that. | 13:12 |
| Qiming | XueFeng, what is it? | 13:12 |
| Qiming | can you nail it down to the changes made? | 13:13 |
| XueFeng | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487766/ | 13:13 |
| XueFeng | maybe cause by this patch | 13:13 |
| XueFeng | Christopher Brown is making senlinclient rpm | 13:14 |
| XueFeng | senlin server rpm has been finished | 13:14 |
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| Qiming | I noticed that complaint | 13:15 |
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| XueFeng | I will check how to solve the problem ASAP. | 13:16 |
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| Qiming | okay, it looks to me the current fix is incorrect | 13:17 |
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| Qiming | I think we should fix the unit test | 13:18 |
| Qiming | make it smarter | 13:18 |
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| XueFeng | ok | 13:18 |
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| Qiming | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-senlinclient/tree/senlinclient/tests/unit/test_shell.py#n195 | 13:19 |
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| Qiming | when os_profiler is installed, parser.add_argument.call_count should be 1, or else it should be 0 | 13:19 |
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| XueFeng | OK | 13:20 |
| XueFeng | got it | 13:20 |
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| Qiming | any other bugs / issues? | 13:24 |
| Qiming | I have got one: | 13:24 |
| XueFeng | No more from me | 13:24 |
| Qiming | BIG ONE | 13:24 |
| Qiming | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/490707/ | 13:25 |
| Qiming | and this: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/120656.html | 13:25 |
| Qiming | :D | 13:25 |
| XueFeng | Congratulations | 13:25 |
| XueFeng | ：） | 13:25 |
| Qiming | Ruijie has decided to step forward to lead us | 13:26 |
| ruijie | :) | 13:26 |
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| ruijie | Hope we can go to next level, of course with all your supports | 13:27 |
| Qiming | as far as I know, if no one else would propose, he will be our next center-of-complaints | 13:27 |
| XueFeng | Next cycle we will do more hard for senlin | 13:27 |
| elynn | Good to know~ Welcome ruijie :) | 13:27 |
| Qiming | thanks, ruijie | 13:27 |
| ruijie | thanks all :) | 13:28 |
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| ruijie | about the bug/improvements, here's one http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/senlin/tree/senlin/engine/actions/base.py#n322 | 13:29 |
| Qiming | right, we talked about that last week | 13:29 |
| ruijie | we may need an interval/max retry times for this kind of actions | 13:29 |
| Qiming | yep | 13:29 |
| ruijie | but, as you see, this is inside a thread, do we need a column or somethings to mark the retry times? | 13:31 |
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| Qiming | ... good question | 13:32 |
| Qiming | I don't think it needs to be persisted into database | 13:32 |
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| Qiming | but without persisting to db, we don't have a workaround | 13:33 |
| Qiming | all actions are fetched again from db | 13:33 |
| ruijie | yes Qiming, or we could write it into the data field .. | 13:34 |
| Qiming | yep, sounds a workaround | 13:34 |
| Qiming | put {'#retries': 1} in to action.data? | 13:36 |
| ruijie | yes, need extra code to parse this field. | 13:37 |
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| Qiming | parse and set it if necessary | 13:38 |
| Qiming | logic is straightfoward | 13:38 |
| ruijie | and we now have a lot of data in action.input & output | 13:38 |
| Qiming | :) | 13:38 |
| Qiming | a lot of? | 13:38 |
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| ruijie | for the messaging purpose, I add a lot of them in out project .. not sure that is necessary to add back to Senlin | 13:39 |
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| ruijie | out/our | 13:39 |
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| Qiming | :) | 13:40 |
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| Qiming | so ... it has better be done on a per-field basis | 13:41 |
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| Qiming | anyone of you is aware of how to use etcd as the data store? | 13:42 |
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| elynn | What kind of data store? | 13:44 |
| Qiming | replace mysql | 13:44 |
| Qiming | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445432 | 13:44 |
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| Qiming | I'm tired of the mysql -> sqlalchemy -> oslo.db -> our own db model abstraction | 13:45 |
| elynn | Any advantage replacing mysql with etcd? | 13:46 |
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| Qiming | it is introducing a lot of bizarre errors | 13:46 |
| elynn | as a kv database, I guess it would be very easy to use | 13:47 |
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| Qiming | the most powerful thing is HA | 13:47 |
| elynn | just throw a dict to it | 13:47 |
| Qiming | then it has "watch" api | 13:47 |
| Qiming | actually, we are storing "dict" in mysqldb | 13:48 |
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| Qiming | then action engine can simply "watch" new action objects creation and start working on it | 13:49 |
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| elynn | https://python-etcd.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ | 13:50 |
| elynn | Still not so sure how to implement that | 13:50 |
| XueFeng | <Qiming> anyone of you is hihiof how to use etcd as the data store? ///Hi, Senlin need introduce etcd to the project? | 13:50 |
| Qiming | a lot easier from the doc | 13:50 |
| Qiming | XueFeng, just curious if that can save us from the db consistency problem once for all | 13:51 |
| Qiming | this is wonderful: client.read('/nodes/n2', wait=True) #Waits for a change in value in the key before returning. | 13:52 |
| XueFeng | use raft protocol | 13:52 |
| Qiming | things written into etcd can have a ttl | 13:53 |
| Qiming | that means they will go away after that time period | 13:53 |
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| Qiming | a single option to controll all events in db | 13:53 |
| ruijie | auto purge the action data .. | 13:53 |
| XueFeng | It's better than corosync which use totem protocol | 13:54 |
| Qiming | anyway, just throw a question on you | 13:55 |
| Qiming | in case someone is interested in this | 13:56 |
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| XueFeng | Ok, and these days | 13:56 |
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| XueFeng | Which things can we do for the k8s+senlin | 13:56 |
| elynn | Maintain the relationship might still be a problem in etcd I guess. | 13:56 |
| ruijie | that is acceptable that we replace mysqldb with etcd? or add it as one component ? | 13:57 |
| Qiming | it doesn't have to be a replace | 13:57 |
| Qiming | it can be another db driver | 13:57 |
| Qiming | recall that we have senlin/db/sqlalchemy, we can have senlin/db/etcd | 13:58 |
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| ruijie | okay, cool | 13:58 |
| XueFeng | Yes | 13:58 |
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| Qiming | time's up, guys | 13:59 |
| Qiming | thanks for joining | 13:59 |
| Qiming | have a good sleep | 13:59 |
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| Qiming | it is heavy raining outside here | 13:59 |
| XueFeng | good night | 13:59 |
| elynn | see u | 13:59 |
| Qiming | good night | 13:59 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 8 13:59:43 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-08-08-13.02.html | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-08-08-13.02.txt | 13:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-08-08-13.02.log.html | 13:59 |
| ruijie | good night | 13:59 |
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| igordcard | #startmeeting network_common_flow_classifier | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 8 14:00:50 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is igordcard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'network_common_flow_classifier' | 14:00 |
| igordcard | hello all | 14:01 |
| bcafarel | o/ | 14:01 |
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| igordcard | let's wait a few minutes | 14:01 |
| igordcard | I know david needs a few mins | 14:02 |
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| bcafarel | I should prepare the coffee earlier | 14:03 |
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| igordcard | yes maybe we should move the coffee discussion topic to the beginning | 14:04 |
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| davidsha | Hi, sorry I'm late | 14:05 |
| bcafarel | hi davidsha | 14:05 |
| davidsha | bcafarel: Hey :) | 14:05 |
| igordcard | hi davidsha | 14:05 |
| igordcard | davidsha: is thaynara joining? | 14:05 |
| davidsha | igordcard: I don't think so. | 14:06 |
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| davidsha | But I can give updates for her, if thats ok? | 14:06 |
| igordcard | davidsha: of course | 14:06 |
| igordcard | let's tart | 14:06 |
| davidsha | kk | 14:07 |
| igordcard | agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/CommonClassificationFramework#Discussion_Topic_8_August_2017 | 14:07 |
| igordcard | #topic CCF v0 - first wave of code (update) | 14:07 |
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| igordcard | links: | 14:08 |
| igordcard | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445577/ | 14:08 |
| igordcard | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487182/ | 14:08 |
| igordcard | davidsha: we wanted to submit final v0 around the time of this meeting, what's the status? | 14:08 |
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| bcafarel | is the poc code needed for v0? | 14:09 |
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| davidsha | igordcard: At the moment it's 90% done, myself and Thaynara are just working on getting the oslo versioned objects to maintain the API set out in the spec. | 14:09 |
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| davidsha | We do still need to add tests, but for V0 we're almost ready to submit the patch | 14:11 |
| davidsha | It will be up within the next 2 hours or early tomorrow. | 14:12 |
| igordcard | thanks davidsha | 14:12 |
| igordcard | #topic PTG plans | 14:12 |
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| igordcard | as I mentioned in the past, won't be attending the PTG, but davidsha may | 14:13 |
| davidsha | I'm just waiting for travel approval... | 14:13 |
| bcafarel | davidsha: we're counting on you :) | 14:13 |
| davidsha | :O | 14:13 |
| igordcard | there was a PTG etherpad, I can't quite find it now, someone has it handy? | 14:14 |
| davidsha | bcafarel: you won't be attending? | 14:14 |
| bcafarel | davidsha: nope, too low in the budget queue :( | 14:15 |
| igordcard | I only find this one: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-queens | 14:15 |
| davidsha | bcafarel: sorry to hear :( | 14:15 |
| igordcard | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-queens-ptg | 14:15 |
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| bcafarel | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Queens/Etherpads | 14:15 |
| igordcard | bcafarel: yap | 14:15 |
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| igordcard | I'll add the CCF to the etherpad | 14:16 |
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| igordcard | for queens release I see 2 main goals: - v1 - and the start of at least 1 consuming service | 14:17 |
| igordcard | any other things aiming at queens? | 14:18 |
| davidsha | igordcard: I'm planning on introducing it into the QoS extension for the dscp marking rule. There is an existing RFE that I files for it so I'll resurrect it. | 14:19 |
| igordcard | davidsha: link? | 14:19 |
| davidsha | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1527671 | 14:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1527671 in neutron "[RFE] traffic classification in Neutron QoS" [Wishlist,Expired] - Assigned to David Shaughnessy (david-shaughnessy) | 14:20 |
| bcafarel | so full working version + one official consumer? | 14:20 |
| davidsha | bcafarel: I'll need to see how the drivers meeting will react, but yes. | 14:21 |
| igordcard | davidsha: thanks; keep the RFE expired as it seems to overlap with existing RFE | 14:21 |
| igordcard | davidsha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1476527 | 14:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1476527 in neutron "[RFE] Add common classifier resource" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Igor Duarte Cardoso (igordcard) | 14:21 |
| igordcard | davidsha: perhaps create new RFE for QoS consumption of CCF? | 14:21 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: apologies, I misread the title | 14:22 |
| davidsha | igordcard: :P | 14:22 |
| igordcard | davidsha: it's specifically for QoS so should be resurrected | 14:22 |
| igordcard | great | 14:23 |
| igordcard | any other goals for Queens? | 14:23 |
| igordcard | bcafarel: networking-sfc? | 14:23 |
| bcafarel | igordcard: yes, I was thinking about it | 14:25 |
| igordcard | yushiro, reedip_brb, xgerman_ , interested in integrating with CCF for Queens? | 14:25 |
| igordcard | (for meeting log readers, they are from the FWaaS team) | 14:25 |
| reedip_brb | back .. hi | 14:26 |
| davidsha | reedip_brb: hey | 14:26 |
| reedip_brb | I was looking at the spec.. Now I would like to try out the PoC from davidsha :) | 14:27 |
| davidsha | reedip_brb: We'll have updated code up within the next 24 hours, patch set is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487182/ | 14:28 |
| reedip_brb | yushiro : let us discuss the same in the FWaaS Open discussion today, else lets put it as an agenda in the next meeting so that it is discussed | 14:28 |
| bcafarel | igordcard: at least getting the ball rolling with networking-sfc would be great, count me in for that part | 14:28 |
| igordcard | thanks reedip_brb | 14:29 |
| igordcard | thanks bcafarel | 14:29 |
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| davidsha | reedip_: let us know if there are any protocols you guys need added and we'll try to get them in. | 14:29 |
| reedip_ | davidsha : I think the protocols which matter to neutron , and might also impact other projects is in https://github.com/openstack/neutron-lib/blob/99d4f1f35f8d915f48bfaa677f690b29bc4b0dbe/neutron_lib/constants.py#L202 | 14:30 |
| yushiro | igordcard, Hi, long time no see :) Sounds good but let me check RFE and discuss in advance. | 14:30 |
| yushiro | reedip_, OK. | 14:30 |
| igordcard | anyhow, plan is to have merged v0 by end of Pike, so then consuming services can easily import the code and hack a little bit with it | 14:30 |
| yushiro | I'm joining fwaas channel and chair now. sorry for late response. | 14:31 |
| igordcard | yushiro: thank you, also check the following links: | 14:31 |
| davidsha | reedip_: ack, I have that book marked! | 14:31 |
| igordcard | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/common-classification-framework | 14:32 |
| igordcard | https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/neutron-specs/specs/pike/common-classification-framework.html | 14:32 |
| reedip_ | davidsha :) gr8 | 14:32 |
| igordcard | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/CommonClassificationFramework | 14:32 |
| igordcard | yushiro: no problem, wonderful multi-tasking skills! | 14:32 |
| igordcard | I think this is all, I'll add the ccf to the etherpad and probably send an email too, then I'll leave it to davidsha to find the best time and folks at the PTG itself | 14:34 |
| yushiro | igordcard, aha, thanks for your link :) | 14:34 |
| yushiro | igordcard, I'm single processor :) | 14:35 |
| igordcard | I might join remotely if there's any etherpad drafting about the ccf | 14:35 |
| reedip_ | yushiro : that means you work dedicatedly :P | 14:35 |
| igordcard | yushiro: reedip_: eheh | 14:36 |
| igordcard | moving on | 14:36 |
| igordcard | #topic Open discussion | 14:36 |
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| igordcard | anything else we should be discussing? | 14:37 |
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| bcafarel | I emptied it a bit when we were waiting for the others :) | 14:37 |
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| davidsha | I mentioned it briefly, but getting a list of protocols that projects need us to support for them to consume would be good. do we still have the list of projects that participated at the ptg? | 14:38 |
| bcafarel | davidsha: it was just a quick look an hour ago, but I commented on the v0 code, there was still probably "old" code in place, I suppose it will be cleaned with v1? | 14:38 |
| igordcard | davidsha: yes: https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/neutron-specs/specs/pike/common-classification-framework.html | 14:38 |
| davidsha | bcafarel: I noticed, I'll incorporate it into the patch coming soon. | 14:39 |
| igordcard | we should have a ubiquitous enough list of classification types, but it will be waste of energy to conquer the world | 14:39 |
| igordcard | fringe protocols should be requested (and maybe submitted) by interested consuming services | 14:39 |
| igordcard | davidsha: bcafarel: about that; this patch is to be abandoned correct? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445577/ | 14:41 |
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| bcafarel | davidsha: thanks :) | 14:41 |
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| davidsha | igordcard: Thats abandoned, I'll do that now. | 14:42 |
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| bcafarel | it will be clearer for people that start/stumble on ccf | 14:42 |
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| igordcard | thanks davidsha | 14:43 |
| igordcard | I don't have anything else | 14:43 |
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| igordcard | alright, seems that we're done | 14:44 |
| bcafarel | all good here too (and out of coffee anyway) | 14:44 |
| igordcard | thank you all for joining | 14:44 |
| davidsha | Thanks! | 14:44 |
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| igordcard | au revoir | 14:45 |
| igordcard | #endmeeting | 14:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 8 14:45:12 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-08-08-14.00.html | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-08-08-14.00.txt | 14:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-08-08-14.00.log.html | 14:45 |
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| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 8 18:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | ping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, notmorgan, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar | 18:00 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:00 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | agenda ^ | 18:00 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 18:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 18:00 |
| raildo | o/ | 18:00 |
| samueldmq | hi o/ | 18:00 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:01 |
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| lbragstad | #topic announcements | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:01 | |
| lbragstad | #info rc-1 is targeted for this week | 18:01 |
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| lbragstad | #info planning for the PTG should be underway | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | i'm going to start going through the etherpad and organizing the items into like categories | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | I plan to start doing that as soon as we can cut rc1 | 18:02 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: are there any critical/high priority things for rc1? | 18:02 |
| samueldmq | i.e bugs | 18:03 |
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| lbragstad | we do have one release blocker | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1705081 | 18:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705081 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "DELETE project API is failing in forbidden(403) error message" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Lance Bragstad (lbragstad) | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1705081 | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | and the fix for that should be gating | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491546/ | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | #topic rc1 homestretch | 18:04 |
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| lbragstad | since we were just talking about it | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | #link https://goo.gl/ygTNJF | 18:04 |
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| samueldmq | lbragstad: what does that filter say? | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1705081 has a patch in review | 18:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705081 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "DELETE project API is failing in forbidden(403) error message" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Lance Bragstad (lbragstad) | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq: that's a list of all bugs that are open and targeted to RC1 | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | so - it's a list of things we need to complete before we can release a candidate for pike | 18:05 |
| samueldmq | ok seems a pretty decent amount of job for the office hours today? | 18:06 |
| samueldmq | :) | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1674676 is a doc fix - per dstanek's comment | 18:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1674676 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "The URL listed against the details of identity resources returns 404 Not Found error" [Medium,Triaged] | 18:06 |
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| lbragstad | ^ that'd be a good one to get gating today | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | anyone feel like picking that up today? | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | or submitting a doc patch to close that one? | 18:06 |
| cmurphy | *crickets* | 18:08 |
| gagehugo | Is that about those relationship links? | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | :) | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | yes | 18:08 |
| cmurphy | i've never really understood those relationship links | 18:08 |
| gagehugo | ^ | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | that's exactly why we need a docs patch | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | they are not suppose to resolve - so the point of the patch would be to document why they don't resolve | 18:08 |
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| lbragstad | essentially consolidating https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1674676/comments/3 | 18:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1674676 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "The URL listed against the details of identity resources returns 404 Not Found error" [Medium,Triaged] | 18:09 |
| sjain_ | me too, I tried working on the relationship links, but I'm not able to understand those | 18:09 |
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| samueldmq | ahaa sjain_ ^ | 18:09 |
| gagehugo | oh | 18:09 |
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| samueldmq | oops I'm late. yes that's explaining what those relationship URLs are for. we had that in our TODO | 18:10 |
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| gagehugo | So we want to change the docs to described what those links really are then | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | gagehugo: yeah - according to dstanek, a blanket statement to the api-ref would suffice | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | just explaining what they are and why they're in the documentation | 18:11 |
| gagehugo | lbragstad I can tackle that then I think, shouldn't be too bad if that's just the case | 18:11 |
| samueldmq | that should be in the api-docs | 18:11 |
| samueldmq | since that's where those links appear | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | #action gagehugo to pickup https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1674676 | 18:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1674676 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "The URL listed against the details of identity resources returns 404 Not Found error" [Medium,Triaged] | 18:12 |
| gagehugo | Put them wherever relationship links are imo | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | thanks gagehugo | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | next | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1689644 | 18:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1689644 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Keystone does not report microversion headers" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Rohan Arora (ra271w) | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | that ^ one has a fix in review | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468189/ | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | and it's moving along - it'd be nice to have that gating no later than tomorrow afternoon | 18:13 |
| cmurphy | so keystone doesn't report a microversion header - but we also don't have microversions | 18:13 |
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| gagehugo | lbragstad I'll let those working on that know | 18:13 |
| cmurphy | so i was kind of confused about the point of that one | 18:13 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: would be nice to have mordred looking at that review too | 18:13 |
| gagehugo | rarora ^ | 18:13 |
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| samueldmq | and cmurphy who has been in sync with some microversion stuff | 18:13 |
| knikolla | we support one microversion at a time | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | cmurphy: right - so the implementation needs to be able to take that into account | 18:14 |
| edmondsw | calling that a microversion is not really accurate | 18:14 |
| knikolla | edmondsw: totally agree. | 18:14 |
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| gagehugo | macroversion? | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1689644/comments/2 sums up the need pretty well | 18:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1689644 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Keystone does not report microversion headers" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Rohan Arora (ra271w) | 18:15 |
| cmurphy | well that comment is saying we should support microversions, that's not what this patch does | 18:16 |
| knikolla | cmurphy: not really. that comment is saying we should report a microversion. so the microversion selection code in the client doesn't need a special case for keystone. | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | the patch does the bare minimum to allow clients to apply code evenly across openstack services without committing to microversions | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | i'm not sure the bug suggests an opinion on microversions one way or another | 18:18 |
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| edmondsw | lbragstad that comment you referenced says "by not supporting microversions" not "by not returning microversion headers" | 18:19 |
| cmurphy | right | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | so do we want to pull this from rc1 queue until we discuss the possibility of microversions further? | 18:20 |
| samueldmq | I think that is appropriate. We don't support microversions as of today | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | because i don't expect to have a productive conversation on microversions until the ptg | 18:22 |
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| edmondsw | I'm leery of starting to return a header that seems to indicate keystone supports microversions, when we don't | 18:23 |
| edmondsw | and wondering if that will bite us down the road | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | that's fair | 18:23 |
| cmurphy | +1 | 18:23 |
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| lbragstad | the tough part is that the microversion ship has mostly sailed | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | we're one of the few projects that haven't adopted it | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | but that's a discussion for the PTG | 18:24 |
| edmondsw | yep | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | pulling it from the queue | 18:25 |
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| lbragstad | cc morgan ^ | 18:25 |
| morgan | i'm never going to be a fan nor support microversions | 18:27 |
| morgan | i wont block it | 18:27 |
| rarora | should I update the patch set's commit message or anything like that? | 18:27 |
| morgan | and keystone should NEVER emit a header indicating microversion support unless it does | 18:27 |
| morgan | that is a hard -2 on additional data. you can support microversions and indicate it, but you cannot emit data indicating support for it if there is no support | 18:28 |
| cmurphy | yep that's the concern | 18:28 |
| edmondsw | morgan I'd agree... and then you'll want to drop a -2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468189/ | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | rarora: placed a procedural -2 on the patch for now so that we are aware of the status | 18:29 |
| rarora | lbragstad: ok sounds good | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | alright - moving on | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1694525 | 18:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1694525 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "keystone reports 404 User Not Found during grenade tests" [Medium,Triaged] | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | clarkb: ^ originally brought that to our attention a while ago and i targeted it to RC1 since it seemed to be affecting the gate quite a bit at the time | 18:30 |
| morgan | done | 18:30 |
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| morgan | edmondsw: commented saying i'd remove the -2 when we support microversions | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | the logs from the occurrence have since expired and the logstash query is kind of useless since it returns a lot of false positives | 18:31 |
| edmondsw | morgan +! | 18:31 |
| clarkb | ya I wasn't sure if it was a regression in upgrades or not as well | 18:31 |
| morgan | edmondsw: i wont +2/+1 microversion support but def. wont block implementation | 18:31 |
| morgan | (-1/-2 on that basis) | 18:31 |
| morgan | clarkb: it is a regression from previous releases as far as we know | 18:31 |
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| cmurphy | well "user not found" isn't necessarily an indication of a problem | 18:32 |
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| cmurphy | the way osc is designed it just does that | 18:32 |
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| lbragstad | it could also be a test asserting something about the state of a user | 18:33 |
| clarkb | well in this case it was failing to boot instances because the user being used went away in the upgrade iirc | 18:33 |
| clarkb | I'd have to go reread things to remember properly though | 18:33 |
| morgan | lbragstad: likely | 18:34 |
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| lbragstad | clarkb: do you want to do that in -keystone after the meeting? | 18:34 |
| lbragstad | we have office hours and it might be a good time to investigate | 18:34 |
| lbragstad | if your day is busy though, i understand | 18:35 |
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| clarkb | ya I'm currently unleaking nova instances in one of our clouds | 18:36 |
| clarkb | it turns out nova can do that apparently so not sure if otday is a good day | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | clarkb: no worries - ping me if you end up wanting to go through it | 18:37 |
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| lbragstad | otherwise i can try and find another occurrance of it | 18:37 |
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| lbragstad | alright - next | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1700852 | 18:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1700852 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Slow listing projects for user with many role assignments" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Lance Bragstad (lbragstad) | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | ^ that's a performance issue with effective role assignments | 18:38 |
| cmurphy | it seemed like you were waiting for feedback from the bug reporter on that one? | 18:38 |
| cmurphy | or do you want to un-wip it and get it in? | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | cmurphy: i think the patch i proposed is failing tests | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | which i need to investigate | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | so - it boils down to this | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | the role assignment api for listing effective role assignments is terribly slow | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | it's also super dense python logic | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | from the perspective of someone who hasn't spent a lot of time in the assignment API - it's pretty confusing | 18:40 |
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| lbragstad | i suspect the problem is that we're doing some processing in python that is causing performance to degrade - specifically for effective assignemtn | 18:40 |
| lbragstad | my knee-jerk reaction was to implement caching for it | 18:41 |
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| lbragstad | as a way to stop the bleeding until we can get more time to unwind and understand the role assignment API | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | and look for ways to improve performance by using/implementing better python | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | does anyone object to that approach? or should this wait until queens where we can do that investigation | 18:42 |
| samueldmq | so.. | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | I won't have time to unwind the entire role assignment api by the time rc1 rolls around | 18:42 |
| samueldmq | if we go for caching, we need to be really really careful. if we fail to invalidate in a single case (tehre are many) | 18:43 |
| cmurphy | caching sounds like a good start but i'm not sure it can get much better than that, it's basically a O(N^M) op because it has to map every user and every project | 18:43 |
| samueldmq | we'll be leaking roles to tokens, which is not fun | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq: that's the other concerns | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | cmurphy: right | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | cmurphy: it's a lot of processing in python | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | with no real good way to offload it | 18:43 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: yes it is. I've worked a lot in that code in the past | 18:44 |
| samueldmq | and that was per design, we decided to go and expand users into groups | 18:44 |
| samueldmq | and then we have project hierarchies, and then inherited role assingments | 18:44 |
| samueldmq | all that logic gets processed in those methods for role assignments, since all those mechanisms are for assigning roles anyways | 18:45 |
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| lbragstad | yeah | 18:45 |
| samueldmq | question is, how bad is it? | 18:45 |
| * samueldmq looks at the bug | 18:45 | |
| lbragstad | the performance numbers are in the bug | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | i'll see if i can get the patch passing tests and propose it | 18:46 |
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| lbragstad | if we get too close to rc1 we'll cut the release with out it and backport the fix when we have it | 18:46 |
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| lbragstad | (we backported a bunch of caching fixes in the mitaka timeframe for the same reasons when we dealt with fernet) | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | #action lbragstad to get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487143/ passing tests | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | the next two seems related and have been causing issues in the gate | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1702211 | 18:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1702211 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "test_password_history_not_enforced_in_admin_reset failed in tempest test" [Medium,Confirmed] | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1703917 | 18:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1703917 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Sometimes test_update_user_password fails with Unauthorized" [Medium,Triaged] | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | those mostly need investigation | 18:48 |
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| knikolla | Spent a day looking at them and came up short. | 18:48 |
| morgan | failed in a tempest test? | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | same here | 18:48 |
| samueldmq | when I see "sometimes" in a bug report, I feel the pain | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | seems like a race condition but i couldn't understand why | 18:48 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: remember when we were trying to debug some fernet/tokens stuff | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | yeah - those are like that | 18:49 |
| cmurphy | i've reproduced the admin_reset one by running it over and over but for some reason not the regular one | 18:49 |
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| morgan | cmurphy: sounds about par for the course, there was a bug i found acting similar and it required a sleep to repro... the one that you can repro should be the focus | 18:50 |
| morgan | the other one *shrug* best we can do is keep an eye on it if we can repro it | 18:50 |
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| lbragstad | yeah | 18:50 |
| cmurphy | morgan: the sleep was because of the fernet weirdness, but i've seen it at least once with uuid | 18:50 |
| morgan | can't repro it* | 18:50 |
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| morgan | cmurphy: same think in uuid at times. | 18:50 |
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| lbragstad | just dealing with a much smaller window | 18:51 |
| morgan | cmurphy: sometimes ... things are racy and pain. | 18:51 |
| cmurphy | heh | 18:51 |
| lbragstad | ok - if we get to RC1 without understanding what's going on we'll cut it without fixes and backport them if we can | 18:51 |
| lbragstad | next | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1705072 | 18:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705072 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "clearing default project_id from users using wrong driver implementation" [Medium,Triaged] | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | last i heard praskre was working on a fix for this | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | but i haven't seen anything | 18:52 |
| samueldmq | I had a fix for it. 1 line change | 18:52 |
| samueldmq | make the LDAP driver do a "pass" | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq: this is a different bug i think | 18:53 |
| samueldmq | hm | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | this is if you have multiple domains and different identity backends for each | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | the default project id is only cleared for the default domain backend | 18:53 |
| morgan | it should be "if_readonly: pass" | 18:53 |
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| morgan | not just "if ldap" | 18:53 |
| morgan | ldap driver explicitly says read-only | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | the logic to unset default project ids should be applied to all identity backends | 18:53 |
| morgan | so, focus on that. | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | morgan: that's being handled in a separate patch | 18:54 |
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| lbragstad | this is specifically referencing multi-domain support | 18:54 |
| samueldmq | ++ | 18:54 |
| morgan | h,. | 18:54 |
| morgan | hm. | 18:54 |
| samueldmq | just do a for known backend, as opposed to the default one | 18:54 |
| lbragstad | if a project is deleted the default project id is only cleared for the default domain backend | 18:54 |
| morgan | you'd have to iterate | 18:55 |
| lbragstad | right | 18:55 |
| morgan | in as many words, default_project_id is a dumb construct | 18:55 |
| samueldmq | iterate and check if it's read_only or not | 18:55 |
| lbragstad | find all available drivers and call unset_default_project_id() on each | 18:55 |
| morgan | eh. | 18:55 |
| morgan | yeah | 18:55 |
| samueldmq | or just call them and let the driver decide if there is something to be done | 18:55 |
| samueldmq | that'd be better maybe. the driver knows the backend. | 18:55 |
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| samueldmq | anyways, looks like we agree in a solution | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | anyone interested in proposing a fix and a test? | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | i haven't seen anything from praskre yet | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | i can take a stab at it | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | #action lbragstad to propose a fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1705072 | 18:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705072 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "clearing default project_id from users using wrong driver implementation" [Medium,Triaged] | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | last one before the meeting is done | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1673157 | 18:58 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1673157 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "type: local must be set in order to get domain parsed when mapping federated users" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Colleen Murphy (krinkle) | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | that one ^ has a fix in review | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | just needs another +2 | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | it's a documentation fix | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | (thanks cmurphy) | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491478/ | 18:59 |
| * mordred wves - has opened review from earlier | 18:59 | |
| lbragstad | alright - we're out of time but we can continue this in office hours | 18:59 |
| lbragstad | mordred: we're headed to -keystone for office hours | 18:59 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 8 18:59:57 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-08-08-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-08-08-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-08-08-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
| fungi | infra team, forgather! | 19:00 |
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| fungi | this week we have action items assigned to and topics proposed by fungi, clarkb, | 19:00 |
| fungi | mordred, ianw | 19:00 |
| fungi | and a stray newline | 19:00 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 19:00 |
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| ianw | o/ | 19:00 |
| clarkb | hello | 19:01 |
| pabelanger | present | 19:01 |
| jeblair | howdy | 19:01 |
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| mordred | o/ | 19:01 |
| Shrews | i don't see the stray newline getting much done | 19:01 |
| tobiash | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | Shrews: i don't know what you're on about, it's an integral member of the team | 19:01 |
| ianw | Shrews: a stray newline took down the entire cgit infrastructure for about an hour a little while ago ... it can do more than you think :) | 19:01 |
| dmsimard | \o | 19:01 |
| clarkb | ianw: that was fun | 19:02 |
| fungi | touché | 19:02 |
| clarkb | and by fun I mean I was awake at 2am figuring that out :) | 19:02 |
| fungi | i'd forgotten about that bit of fun | 19:02 |
| mmedvede | o/ | 19:02 |
| jeblair | imagine what it would be like if we *didn't* have a huge ci system validating every change! | 19:02 |
| fungi | yeah, that was an unsavory surprise | 19:02 |
| fungi | jeblair: the stuff of nightmares! | 19:03 |
| jeblair | oh wait i've got another one: | 19:03 |
| jeblair | but we're so careful about whitespace changes! | 19:03 |
| fungi | heh | 19:03 |
| fungi | okay, let's get this ship underway | 19:03 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 8 19:03:57 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:04 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:04 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:04 |
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| fungi | #info New code contributors are no longer forced to join the foundation | 19:04 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/120771.html New code contributors no longer forced to join the foundation | 19:04 |
| fungi | #info We're removing support for the Contact Store feature in puppet-gerrit | 19:05 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2017-August/005540.html Removing support for the Contact Store feature in puppet-gerrit | 19:05 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/491090 Stop supporting the Contact Store feature | 19:05 |
| clarkb | that is a good first step in simplifying our puppet deployment for modern gerrit | 19:05 |
| fungi | since i'm stuck in a car at this time next week, clarkb has volunteered to chair the meeting | 19:05 |
| fungi | on august 15 | 19:06 |
| clarkb | we have a lot of older stuff in there that can go away (like contact store) | 19:06 |
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| fungi | and since we'll have a new ptl by the meeting after that, this is my last meeting as infra ptl | 19:06 |
| fungi | so unlike in the past, feel free to hit someone else up with announcements you want included in future meetings! | 19:06 |
| fungi | ;) | 19:06 |
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| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:07 |
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| Shrews | fungi's lame duck session commences | 19:07 |
| fungi | Shrews: hush or we'll make you ptl | 19:07 |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-08-01-19.02.html Minutes from last meeting | 19:07 |
| jeblair | he can do that | 19:07 |
| pabelanger | :) | 19:07 |
| fungi | fungi get switchport counts for infra-cloud | 19:08 |
| fungi | er, that should be | 19:08 |
| fungi | #action fungi get switchport counts for infra-cloud | 19:08 |
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| fungi | because i still haven't heard back from hpe on it | 19:08 |
| fungi | the next two fared better than i | 19:08 |
| fungi | clarkb send advance notice of Gerrit 2.13 upgrade to mailing lists | 19:08 |
| fungi | i saw that, lemme get a link real fast | 19:08 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/120533.html review.openstack.org downtime and Gerrit upgrade | 19:09 |
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| fungi | mordred send advance notice of Zuul v3 cutover to mailing lists | 19:09 |
| fungi | i think i have a link for this one too | 19:09 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/120499.html Rollout of Zuul v3 at the PTG | 19:10 |
| fungi | that concludes the our action items | 19:10 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:11 |
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| fungi | we don't seem to have anything new up this week, but i expect to put a completion change up for the contact removal spec next week | 19:11 |
| fungi | anybody know of anything else coming soon? | 19:11 |
| clarkb | I have on my todo list to write a spec for the log server move (I don't think we have one already) | 19:12 |
| clarkb | but I haven't had time to write that yet | 19:12 |
| fungi | nothing jumping out at me in open infra-specs changes at the moment | 19:12 |
| pabelanger | I hope to write up something about ara.openstack.org for PTG | 19:12 |
| fungi | yeah, that would be a good one to have underway soon | 19:12 |
| fungi | the logserver move | 19:12 |
| fungi | ara also sounds fun, we've had a lot of the community lamenting the loss of puppetboard | 19:13 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:13 | |
| fungi | nothing called out specifically here for this week | 19:13 |
| fungi | though the announcements earlier related to the gerrit contactstore removal priority effort | 19:14 |
| fungi | anyone have last-minute things they need to cover on a priority effort from our list? | 19:14 |
| fungi | cool, that leaves more time for general topics | 19:15 |
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| fungi | #topic Bandersnatch upgrade (ianw) | 19:15 |
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| fungi | i saw you hacking on testing this out | 19:15 |
| fungi | how'd it go? | 19:15 |
| ianw | it works, and our changes seem to have been incorporated correctly into bandersnatch 2.0 | 19:16 |
| ianw | i tested by running updates on a clone of the pypi mirror, and it looks as you'd expect | 19:16 |
| ianw | so, now what :) | 19:16 |
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| ianw | it technically requires python 3.5, but i tested with 3.4 on the existing trusty host and it works | 19:17 |
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| fungi | i say live dangerously, upgrade to 2.0 on trusty, and remember this one's a prime candidate to replace with xenial? | 19:17 |
| clarkb | I think release team wants us to be slushy but that seems like a safe change since its tested and we only publish if things work well | 19:17 |
| pabelanger | maybe a good time to migrate to xenial first? | 19:17 |
| ianw | "technically" == documented as, i mean | 19:17 |
| clarkb | so worst case we downgrade and rebuild the mirror | 19:17 |
| fungi | the main danger with running it on trusty is that the 2.0 release notes specifically say they plan soon to switch to relying on some 3.5+ features | 19:18 |
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| fungi | so we may find that 2.1 breaks for us | 19:18 |
| ianw | i don't think we need it -- it turns out the UA regex matching that was blocking us on pypi was unintentional | 19:18 |
| fungi | which is why upgrading to xenial soon would still be good regardless | 19:18 |
| pabelanger | ++ | 19:18 |
| ianw | so when would soon be, in people's mind. too much before release? | 19:19 |
| fungi | i do think generally keeping up with latest releases of the tools we use is still a "good thing"[tm] | 19:19 |
| fungi | if it's non-urgent, we could put it off until post-release | 19:19 |
| ianw | and do we want to snapshot & dist-upgrade or start fresh? | 19:19 |
| clarkb | ianw: we tend to start fresh. The excception to that rule was lists.o.o to keep its IP addr | 19:19 |
| clarkb | in this case I would start fresh, then we can just stop cron on trusty node and let cron run on xenial node | 19:20 |
| fungi | i think starting fresh would be fine, because we don't have to swap it into production until it's done populating the dataset anyway | 19:20 |
| clarkb | should be straightforward cut over | 19:20 |
| clarkb | granted we have to do it for reprepro too right? | 19:20 |
| ianw | except i don't want them racing and destroying each other's mirrors, since it's all backed on the same afs dir | 19:20 |
| fungi | oh, in fact the data's already in afs | 19:20 |
| fungi | so nothing really stateful locally on it anyway | 19:20 |
| ianw | we don't really have a global lock, other than turn one box off i guess :) | 19:20 |
| clarkb | ianw: ya so you'd turn off the cron entries on old node before enabling them on new node | 19:20 |
| clarkb | ya that | 19:21 |
| fungi | our "global lock" is zuul, technically | 19:21 |
| fungi | we could pause it | 19:21 |
| fungi | if really concerned | 19:21 |
| clarkb | nah I think it would be fine to just disable cron on one node or turn it off (I think rax makes it hard to turn it off though) | 19:21 |
| fungi | insofar as preventing a slightly extended "safe" downtime from impacting jobs | 19:21 |
| fungi | clarkb: you can `sudo halt` or `sudo poweroff` a vm in rackspace, i do it pretty regularly | 19:22 |
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| fungi | though there is the risk they might accidentally boot it back up, if we disable puppet temporarily and comment out cron jobs on it, no real risk | 19:23 |
| ianw | ok, so agree to start a fresh host. should i get started, or leave it for a while? | 19:23 |
| clarkb | fungi: and use nova api to reboot it? | 19:23 |
| fungi | clarkb: that's what i've done before, yep | 19:23 |
| clarkb | if so neat, I hadn't realized that was viable though makes sense | 19:23 |
| fungi | well, openstack server reboot | 19:23 |
| fungi | but yes | 19:23 |
| clarkb | ianw: I'd say its fine to get started. IF we want to be very careful we can run it by release team first | 19:23 |
| fungi | i'm behind that plan | 19:23 |
| pabelanger | wfm | 19:24 |
| ianw | well it would be trusty->xenial and then bandersnatch separately, so it does minimise things as much as possible | 19:24 |
| ianw | ok, well seems an agreement we'll I start to look at it in near future | 19:24 |
| jeblair | sounds like a good plan. i do think it's worth running by release team if we do it before release. | 19:25 |
| ianw | I'll start to look at it, i mean | 19:25 |
| ianw | ok, will loop in | 19:25 |
| ianw | that's all then, thanks | 19:26 |
| fungi | i guess the other risk with the xenial upgrade is that we do additional mirroring things on there besides just bandersnatch | 19:27 |
| fungi | but that's mostly just rsync and some reprepro right? or is reprepro also happening on another server? | 19:27 |
| clarkb | ya its those two things | 19:27 |
| clarkb | reprepro for debian and ubuntu mirrors and rsync for centos and fedora iirc | 19:27 |
| ianw | no reprepro is on there, and some rsync-ing for suse | 19:27 |
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| fungi | rsync behavior i doubt would change significanyly, reprepro maybe | 19:28 |
| fungi | s/significanyly/significantly/ | 19:28 |
| fungi | but really i don't expect either to be problematic | 19:28 |
| fungi | okay, thanks ianw! | 19:28 |
| fungi | #agreed Check with the release team, but plan to build a replacement mirror update server for Xenial and bandersnatch 2.0+ | 19:29 |
| fungi | that cover it? | 19:29 |
| ianw | ++ | 19:29 |
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| fungi | #topic PTG planning (fungi) | 19:30 |
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| fungi | we've got about 30 minutes left we can discuss some of the stuff on the etherpad, though i'd like to cut to open discussion maybe at 5-10 minutes left in case others have anything else | 19:30 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-ptg-queens Infra planning pad for Queens PTG in Denver | 19:31 |
| fungi | oh, correction from last week | 19:31 |
| pabelanger | I'll be arriving on Satuday afternoon if anybody else is arriving early | 19:31 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: me too. It was either that or really late sunday so saturday afternoon won | 19:32 |
| fungi | the ethercalc i linked was for the _PIKE_ ptg, i was ding-dongity-wrong about the one for the upcoming (queens) ptg being up yet | 19:32 |
| fungi | realized it just moments after i embarrassed myself asking the coordinators questions about trying to update it | 19:32 |
| fungi | my plane is scheduled to cease hurtling through the aether at approximately 16:20 local denver time saturday | 19:33 |
| fungi | i think that's "mdt" | 19:33 |
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| fungi | (utc-0600?) | 19:33 |
| fungi | seems like the plan is to then attempt to take the commuter train to the vicinity of the ptg hotel | 19:34 |
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| fungi | after which i should be available for zuulishness and other infra shenanigans | 19:35 |
| pabelanger | Ya, I haven't looked yet how to get to hotel. But recall some services from last time we did mid-cycle in CO | 19:35 |
| clarkb | there is commuter train service from the airport to relatively near the event hotel | 19:36 |
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| fungi | well, the mid-cycle we did in fort collins wasn't really near where the ptg is being held | 19:36 |
| fungi | so no idea how much overlap there is for transit | 19:36 |
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| pabelanger | fungi: right, but I remember the desk of transit service that were offered to other places | 19:37 |
| clarkb | Central Park station on the A line then walk about 1/4 mile | 19:37 |
| fungi | pabelanger: ahh, yeah that makes sense | 19:37 |
| pabelanger | but sounds like train is the way to go | 19:37 |
| fungi | 1/4 mile walk from the station sounds fine to me | 19:37 |
| fungi | i pack light | 19:37 |
| clarkb | $9 | 19:37 |
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| fungi | i went and retagged some of the new additions to the planning etherpad just now as well | 19:41 |
| fungi | mmedvede's one on the third-party ci monitoring dashboard feels like it could sort of be either a helproom topic or a hacking topic | 19:41 |
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| mmedvede | fungi: yeah, there is definitely some hacking left | 19:42 |
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| dmsimard | For the uninitiated, could we define what the tags mean in the etherpad ? | 19:43 |
| mmedvede | +1 | 19:43 |
| fungi | i'll do that | 19:43 |
| dmsimard | hacking, reserve, etc. | 19:43 |
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| mmedvede | third-party ci dashboard deployment would involve spinning up a VM on infra (or reusing existing one), setting up gerrit account, probably fixing a few puppet quirks along the way. I think that leans towards [hacking] a bit more | 19:45 |
| fungi | dmsimard: does what i put in there clarify? | 19:45 |
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| dmsimard | yes! | 19:46 |
| fungi | mmedvede: sure, if what you need is mostly guidance/assistance then the helproom setting is the thing, but if it'll be more group collaboration that's where i think the hacking days are geared | 19:46 |
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| fungi | though again, it's sort of a fuzzy distinction | 19:47 |
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| fungi | and as this is the first ptg we've tried this split with (and only the second ptg total for that matter) it's anybody's guess how it'll turn out | 19:47 |
| jeblair | it seems like that topic at least wants a bit of discussion first, then possibly hacking...? (unless some decisions can be made before ptg) | 19:47 |
| pabelanger | Ya, was just thinking if that spec might have changed a bit based on zuulv3 things now | 19:48 |
| fungi | right, definitely no need to artifically block any effort or discussion on the ptg, but we're all pretty heads-down on zuul and ptg prep stuff so the ptg may be the first opportunity for some to get much available bandwidth from us | 19:49 |
| fungi | well, not just zuul and ptg prep stuff for that matter. release time and elections and our usual dog-paddle to try and stay afloat in a sea of crumbling systems ;) | 19:50 |
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| mmedvede | if hacking time better spent on zuul v3, I can probably handle most of ci dashboard myself with a bit of assistance | 19:51 |
| fungi | okay, we can continue to do ptg prep discussion but i'm going to officially switch to open discussion for the remainder of the meeting in case people have other non-ptg stuff they want to bring up | 19:51 |
| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:51 |
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| fungi | we ran out of time the past few meetings to do open discussion | 19:52 |
| clarkb | I'm going to be afk tomorrow. Babysitting fell through so I'm stuck with the kids | 19:52 |
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| fungi | so just wanted to make sure to make time this week in case | 19:52 |
| fungi | oh, yes, as mentioned i'm completely afk most of the 15th, but will also be travelling the 17th through the 25th and only intermittently available | 19:53 |
| fungi | (of august) | 19:53 |
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| fungi | seems like maybe nobody has anything else? happy to wrap the meeting up a few minutes early for a change | 19:54 |
| fungi | seems that way | 19:56 |
| jeblair | yep, these systems don't break themselves! | 19:56 |
| jeblair | well, they do | 19:56 |
| jeblair | but i still like to help | 19:56 |
| fungi | it's been a pleasure serving as your ptl for these last two years, thanks everyone! | 19:56 |
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| jeblair | fungi: thank you! | 19:56 |
| mmedvede | thanks fungi, appreciate all the help! | 19:56 |
| fungi | and best of luck to whosoever takes on the mantle | 19:57 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 19:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 8 19:57:08 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-08-08-19.03.html | 19:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-08-08-19.03.txt | 19:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-08-08-19.03.log.html | 19:57 |
| jeblair | see it's not a thankless job | 19:57 |
| fungi | indeed! | 19:57 |
| fungi | i get thanked all the time | 19:57 |
| fungi | reminder: no tc meeting this week, though we're holding office hours next at 01:00 utc in #openstack-tc for anyone who wants to join | 19:58 |
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| b1airo | morning | 21:03 |
| martial | Hi Blair | 21:03 |
| martial | welcome | 21:03 |
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| sofianes | hello all | 21:03 |
| b1airo | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 8 21:03:43 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is b1airo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-wg)" | 21:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 21:03 |
| b1airo | #chair martial | 21:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial | 21:04 |
| armstrong | Hello | 21:04 |
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| b1airo | hi armstrong | 21:04 |
| priteau | Hello | 21:04 |
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| b1airo | let's give oneswig another minute or two - i'm just in the process of getting some breakfast (7am here) | 21:05 |
| b1airo | hi priteau | 21:05 |
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| martial | blair: stig is not coming tonight I believe (from his email) | 21:05 |
| martial | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_August_8th_2017 | 21:05 |
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| martial | The topics of interest tonight are listed above | 21:06 |
| b1airo | ah ok, haven't read email yet | 21:06 |
| martial | #topic Supercomputing 2017 | 21:06 |
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| martial | FYI, the BoF application was submitted | 21:06 |
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| b1airo | yep, fingers crossed | 21:07 |
| b1airo | in the process of submitting i realised we had not done a writeup from SC16 (which we said we would) | 21:08 |
| rbudden | hello | 21:08 |
| b1airo | hi rbudden | 21:08 |
| martial | hello Robert | 21:08 |
| rbudden | sorry i’m a bit late, working on our Ocata upgrade | 21:09 |
| martial | sounds fun :) | 21:09 |
| martial | blairo: cool, thanks for that | 21:09 |
| martial | blairo: what is the deadline for approval? | 21:09 |
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| b1airo | i have started this wiki page as a place to distill down some HPC with OpenStack related notes: | 21:10 |
| b1airo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HPC | 21:10 |
| b1airo | i think they are aiming to have approvals done by early september | 21:10 |
| martial | okay crossing our fingers :) | 21:12 |
| martial | #topic Update to the Scientific OpenStack book | 21:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Update to the Scientific OpenStack book (Meeting topic: scientific-wg)" | 21:12 | |
| martial | so a v2 is in discussion | 21:12 |
| hogepodge | o/ (sorry I'm late) | 21:13 |
| b1airo | is hogepodge around | 21:13 |
| b1airo | ah, hey there! | 21:13 |
| rbudden | good timing ;) | 21:13 |
| martial | we are calling everybody interested to reach out | 21:13 |
| martial | knowing that there is an unmovable non-negotiable hard deadline of content being completed by September 29 | 21:13 |
| rbudden | did we decide on just an update to the book or are we adding new content? | 21:13 |
| hogepodge | So Kathy is back working for the Foundation part time, and she's interested in helping release v2 of the book. | 21:13 |
| martial | and Mr Hoge can tell us more about this particular topic | 21:13 |
| hogepodge | We can do anything we want, as long as the September 29 deadline for final content (no changes at all) is met. | 21:14 |
| rbudden | s/or/and/ | 21:14 |
| martial | and this book would be available at the Sydney meeting as well as SC17 | 21:14 |
| hogepodge | Definitely SC 17, since Sydney is so close probably that. I'll double check and make sure. | 21:15 |
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| hogepodge | It may push the deadline up by about a week. | 21:15 |
| hogepodge | Kathy is collecting the raw resources for me right now, and I will share them in an etherpad. | 21:15 |
| b1airo | we were loosely thinking: update existing content and add a couple of new chapters | 21:15 |
| hogepodge | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-computing-book-update-2017 | 21:16 |
| martial | I am reaching out to a couple people to provide extra content if at all possible | 21:16 |
| b1airo | e.g one on federation | 21:16 |
| hogepodge | #link Working document to organize resources https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-computing-book-update-2017 | 21:16 |
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| hogepodge | I've added the latest info from Kathy into the doc. It looks like she's planning for a November release, I'll check back for Summit release since we'll have loads of events there too. | 21:18 |
| priteau | We could provide an update from Chameleon. Hopefully by then Blazar might have become an official project! | 21:18 |
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| martial | sweet, thanks | 21:18 |
| martial | pierre, looking forward to that section :) | 21:18 |
| rbudden | i’m hoping to have some good updates with our skip level upgrade to Ocata | 21:18 |
| rbudden | possibly Ironic w/Neutron integration if all goes well! | 21:19 |
| priteau | We're going to look into multi-tenant bare-metal networking | 21:19 |
| priteau | rbudden: Is that what you want to try, or just plain flat shared network? | 21:20 |
| rbudden | still just flat shared network, but we have some use cases if we can use Neutron to give floating IPs to private computes for the duration of a job | 21:20 |
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| rbudden | i.e. have Slurm prologue talk to Neutron and give a node both ingress/egress | 21:20 |
| rbudden | i’m not sure the state of that though | 21:21 |
| rbudden | i can let you know in the next couple of days ;) | 21:21 |
| martial | robert/all, please update the etherpad with a chapter proposal if at all possible | 21:21 |
| b1airo | sounds good! | 21:21 |
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| martial | anything else to know on this topic Mr Hoge? | 21:22 |
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| martial | People, feel free to continue extending the etherpad | 21:22 |
| martial | #topic Request for a SuperUser guest post - volunteers please | 21:23 |
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| martial | I think the subject says it all :) | 21:23 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | Hello? | 21:24 |
| hogepodge | I'll be managing the updates, so expect lots of pushing from me. :-D Thanks everybody! | 21:24 |
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| martial | Mr Hoge, I expect people ought to add contact information on the Etherpad then? | 21:24 |
| hogepodge | yes please | 21:25 |
| hogepodge | martial: +1 | 21:25 |
| b1airo | hi StefanPaetowJisc - long time no see! | 21:26 |
| b1airo | your nick appears to be too long for hexchat to auto-complete :-) | 21:26 |
| b1airo | or could be because he disconnected - need to increase my font size... | 21:27 |
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| martial | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-computing-superuserguestpost-2017 | 21:27 |
| martial | I created an etherpad for that guest post | 21:27 |
| b1airo | martial, do we know what we are looking for? | 21:27 |
| b1airo | just anything Science+OpenStack ? | 21:27 |
| martial | I do not have more data on this topic I confess | 21:28 |
| martial | which is why I created the etherpad to allow people to write a small abstract | 21:28 |
| martial | and we can work with the UC to decide what they want/need out of it? | 21:28 |
| priteau | Is it one story about one use cases, or one story about many use cases? | 21:28 |
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| StefanPaetowJi-1 | Hello? | 21:29 |
| martial | priteau: I apologize, I do not know | 21:29 |
| martial | StefanPaetowJi-1: welcome back | 21:29 |
| StefanPaetowJi-1 | Apologies folks... Connection issues. :-/ | 21:30 |
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| rockyg | boy, do I hear ya | 21:31 |
| martial | as I wrote on the etherpad for the proposal: "Please add contact information, the topic (related to Scientific + OpenStack) and abstract that are covered in your potential post" | 21:32 |
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| martial | hopefully this ought to allow people to come up with --good-- crazy ideas :) | 21:33 |
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| martial | and last topic for the day | 21:33 |
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| armstrong | priteau: Asked a question above ==> Is it one story about one use cases, or one story about many use cases? | 21:34 |
| martial | #topic User Committee nominations | 21:34 |
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| martial | pierre: I do not have this information, we will try to get some clarification and update the Etherpad if at all possible when we have it | 21:35 |
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| martial | is there anyone in our community who might be interested in serving on the User Committee? | 21:36 |
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| armstrong | I might be interested but want to be sure of how I will be useful | 21:37 |
| rbudden | martial: any link to what the job entails? | 21:37 |
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| armstrong | what are they working on? | 21:37 |
| rbudden | +1 i’d be interested in details. I have no idea if I’d even be a fit for helping | 21:37 |
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| martial | there was a post on the UC ML, Nominations are open till the 11th | 21:38 |
| martial | let me find the link | 21:38 |
| b1airo | #link https://www.openstack.org/foundation/user-committee/ | 21:38 |
| rbudden | thx b1airo | 21:38 |
| martial | or rely on blair :) | 21:38 |
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| b1airo | this working group falls under the UC in terms of governance | 21:38 |
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| armstrong | OK thanks for that information | 21:39 |
| b1airo | so the UC members are there to look after the governance side of things for OpenStack User representation and to ensure working groups / teams / SIGs etc are empowered and healthy | 21:39 |
| b1airo | the UC also has a seat on the board I think | 21:40 |
| b1airo | more detail - #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee | 21:41 |
| martial | I am trying to find the original call for candidacy in the ML archive | 21:41 |
| martial | (ah here it is, August 4th: "[User-committee] UC candidacy") | 21:42 |
| rockyg | look for mrhillsman | 21:42 |
| rockyg | he posted it. And/or Shilla | 21:42 |
| b1airo | i think given the high numbers of scientific openstack deployments and broad base of this WG it'd be nice to have continuous representation for the community at that level | 21:43 |
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| rockyg | So, you gonna run, b1airo ? | 21:43 |
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| b1airo | zioproto has nominated, so that's one active scientific-wg participant who has put their hand up | 21:43 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Interesting, given that EOSC and things like eMedLab may be large OS deployments | 21:43 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | I'll happily second zioproto. He's good with this | 21:44 |
| b1airo | rockyg, i would be interested, but i need an overcommitment reality-check | 21:44 |
| mrhillsman | heard my name | 21:44 |
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| b1airo | hi mrhillsman | 21:44 |
| rockyg | Original posting of the call for nominations for UC, mrhillsman | 21:44 |
| b1airo | i think we can probably move on to AOB... | 21:47 |
| b1airo | #topic Other Business | 21:47 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | Ahh | 21:47 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | I have some other busines | 21:47 |
| b1airo | shoot | 21:47 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Some GoodNews(tm) | 21:47 |
| b1airo | perhaps we are about to find our SuperUser post... | 21:47 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | For El Capitan (and possibly earlier) versions of macOS, we have a barebones Moonshot Mac client | 21:48 |
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| b1airo | cool! what can it do? | 21:48 |
| martial | #topic AOB | 21:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: scientific-wg)" | 21:48 | |
| StefanPaetowJisc | It's the *really* basic version and it only works with non-domain-linked Mac systems, but this may be of use for those who want to play with OpenStack and 'Moonshot' authn. | 21:49 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | It's embarrassing to say that it's taken me 5 months to get to this point (zioproto and others may recall me not being very 'present' at the Milan mid-cycle ops meetup because I was fighting with Mac's version of Heimdal) | 21:49 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | but I'm not a dev, so for me this has been a journey to hell and back. | 21:50 |
| b1airo | character building | 21:50 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | The hope is that once all the little bits and pieces are resolved, you should be able to do non-web (i.e. CLI) SSO into the OS tools, and possibly OS instances, provided they've been set up for Moonshot AuthN. | 21:51 |
| rockyg | a once in a lifetime experience, you hope;-) | 21:51 |
| b1airo | that sounds neat for sure | 21:51 |
| b1airo | is there already a Keystone extension for this? | 21:51 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | By extension, this will help projects like the Fedushare project in the US, that is working on a SAML-ECP version of SSO, which will make a *lot* of people happy | 21:52 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Keystone apparently supports GSSAPI | 21:52 |
| b1airo | who knew!? | 21:52 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | but whether it supports multitrip GSSAPI authn is another question. That was what I *wanted* to work on the last 5 months after chatting to Adam and others in Barcelona | 21:52 |
| rockyg | so, this would make a great forum topic.... | 21:52 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | But then... Heimdal intervened. And then OpenSSL (macOS only does OSSL 0.9.8 as a backward compatibility thing). They may use LibreSSL... so this will be a featurette in our future stream (to build against LibreSSL as well). | 21:53 |
| b1airo | agreed rockyg | 21:54 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Lots of blind alleys. Dark back streets. Bad coding practices. Bad assumptions. And lots of (patient) help from an Australian jazz musician (and macOS aficionado). | 21:54 |
| b1airo | i'd have given up and built a container within about 30s i think | 21:54 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | Well, the option was to use a VM, yes... (with tunnelling via...) | 21:55 |
| b1airo | ha | 21:55 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | But that's just playing silly buggers. | 21:55 |
| rockyg | If you do a forum topic, with a quick demo to start, you can get more folks to work on it and Keystone folks to help integrate and test, maybe. | 21:55 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Sorry, forum topic? (I'm clueless with some of these things). | 21:56 |
| b1airo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum | 21:56 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | There's an Etherpad *somewhere* (I'll have to dig up the URL) that describes the GSSAPI usecase a bit more... | 21:56 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Ahhhhh | 21:57 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Well... | 21:57 |
| rockyg | Forum at the Summit (Sydney). A good place to provide info, status, and get help | 21:57 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | *ahem* I asked my management if I could go to Sydney. The answer was... negative. | 21:57 |
| rockyg | If you get a forum session, you can ask for support.... | 21:57 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | When the next summit/conference comes to Europe, they'll sign off on it :-) | 21:57 |
| rockyg | from the foundation, that is. | 21:58 |
| hogepodge | With time running out, real-time update from Kathy regarding the book. Deadline is Sept 22. Please put your contact information in the etherpad to help me manage the book production. | 21:58 |
| hogepodge | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-computing-book-update-2017 | 21:58 |
| martial | 10-4 hogepodge | 21:58 |
| b1airo | hogepodge, we'll make a ML post to try and get attention from folks not here today | 21:58 |
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| b1airo | let's close this up | 21:59 |
| hogepodge | (sorry to topic hijack) | 21:59 |
| b1airo | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 8 21:59:33 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-08-08-21.03.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-08-08-21.03.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-08-08-21.03.log.html | 21:59 |
| martial | hogepodge: no worries, it is good for us all to know those things | 21:59 |
| b1airo | StefanPaetowJisc, did you see we have a dedicated channel now | 21:59 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | No, I didn't... Sorry, I've not attended sci-wg meetings over this development thing | 22:00 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | :-/ | 22:00 |
| b1airo | #scientific-wg | 22:00 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | ooooo, excellent | 22:00 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Have added it to my auto-join list! | 22:00 |
| priteau | Bye all! | 22:01 |
| rbudden | tty later everyone! | 22:01 |
| b1airo | thanks all for joining! | 22:01 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Thanks for that, Blair. Much appreciated | 22:01 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Bye guys! | 22:01 |
| armstrong | Thanks | 22:01 |
| armstrong | and bye | 22:01 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | I'll try and see if I can get a forum topic done... | 22:02 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | Cya. Gotta go. | 22:04 |
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