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| joehuang | hello | 01:00 |
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| joehuang | #startmeeting | 01:00 |
| openstack | joehuang: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 01:00 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 5 01:01:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 01:01 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 01:01 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 01:01 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 01:01 |
| yinxiulin | info xiulin | 01:01 |
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| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 01:02 |
| dongfeng | #info dongfeng | 01:02 |
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| joehuang | #topic feature implementation | 01:02 |
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| xuzhuang | #info xuzhuang | 01:03 |
| joehuang | let's look at feature implementation which wants to land in pike-3 | 01:03 |
| zhiyuan | I am working on improving our smoke test, I propose to use YAML to define our tests. here is the spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/479752 | 01:04 |
| joehuang | good to know the smoke test improvement is on the way | 01:05 |
| joehuang | could you please register a BP in launchpad too? | 01:05 |
| xuzhuang | I have completed job paginate_query, and I am working on doing some tests | 01:05 |
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| RonghUI | hello | 01:05 |
| joehuang | for pagination query, a BP is also welcome | 01:05 |
| joehuang | hi ronghui | 01:06 |
| zhiyuan | two implementation patches based on this idea: https://review.openstack.org/477500 and https://review.openstack.org/480051 | 01:06 |
| zhiyuan | to joe, so still on launchpad? | 01:06 |
| Yipei | trying implementing LBaaS in multiple regions and importing external network | 01:06 |
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| joehuang | at least now, we haven't migrate to storyboard yet | 01:07 |
| joehuang | to yipei, thank you very much, hope that LBaaS and external network importing could be landed in pike | 01:07 |
| dongfeng | I think resource routing pagination feature can be landed in pike 3. | 01:07 |
| zhiyuan | ok, will register a BP on launchpad | 01:07 |
| Yipei | yes, i hope so, i try my best to make it | 01:08 |
| joehuang | I am very busy these days, will try to review patches AFAP | 01:08 |
| yinxiulin | sfc's update patch may be be landed in pike 3 | 01:08 |
| joehuang | seems that everything fine :) | 01:10 |
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| joehuang | #topic open discussion | 01:11 |
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| joehuang | any topic to be discussed? | 01:11 |
| dongfeng | no from me | 01:11 |
| RonghUI | no | 01:11 |
| Yipei | no from me | 01:11 |
| yinxiulin | no for me | 01:12 |
| xuzhuang | no from me | 01:12 |
| joehuang | to xuzhuang, thank you for the pagination patch | 01:12 |
| joehuang | could you register a BP too? | 01:12 |
| zhiyuan | to Ronghui, has Xiongqiu tested his three patches? if so, I would like to try them out in my own environment | 01:12 |
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| RonghUI | his has tested his patches | 01:13 |
| joehuang | patch1 and patch2 should be merged for testing coverage, isn't it? | 01:13 |
| xuzhuang | you mean job pagination also needs a bp? | 01:13 |
| joehuang | job pagination is another patch, but not the patch for resource routing? | 01:14 |
| RonghUI | if you say the two patches merge into one patch and tested it, no for this situation | 01:14 |
| zhiyuan | patch2 has been changed to use driver to implement, but I don't see code to load the driver | 01:15 |
| xuzhuang | yes, two independent patches | 01:15 |
| RonghUI | yes we try to fix it | 01:16 |
| zhiyuan | we need to merget the three patches, otherwise the feature is not complete | 01:16 |
| zhiyuan | s/merget/merge | 01:16 |
| joehuang | to xuzhuang, ok. then no BP is needed, but the API documentation update is needed, to describe in detail how the API will function | 01:17 |
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| RonghUI | yes next version, the two patches will merge into one patch | 01:17 |
| xuzhuang | ok, got it | 01:17 |
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| joehuang | please review the smoke test spec, all new features should be added and tested with its own smoke test cases, so the spec is important for all | 01:19 |
| RonghUI | ok | 01:19 |
| joehuang | without smoke test cases, the feature quality has no guarantee. | 01:20 |
| xuzhuang | ok | 01:20 |
| dongfeng | ok | 01:20 |
| zhiyuan | yeah, would like to hear your opinion whether the design of the YAML schema is reasonable | 01:20 |
| RonghUI | ok | 01:20 |
| Yipei | ok, got it | 01:20 |
| joehuang | because smoke test will test the system on living two region openstack together tricircle, so only such an real environment can make sure the feature work. | 01:21 |
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| joehuang | passing smoke test is basic requirement for all features, though it comes later, but we need to make it become the gate for all features. | 01:22 |
| joehuang | other topic? | 01:23 |
| RonghUI | no for me | 01:23 |
| dongfeng | no for me | 01:23 |
| zhiyuan | the YAML file is also usable for your local test during feature development, you can write a YAML then run it to test your feature, no need to type the long command again and again | 01:23 |
| zhiyuan | no for me | 01:23 |
| Yipei | no for me | 01:24 |
| xuzhuang | no for me | 01:24 |
| joehuang | ok, if there is no other topic, we can end the meeting a little early, and continue discussion in #openstack-tricircle if needed | 01:25 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 01:25 |
| zhiyuan | ok | 01:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 5 01:25:10 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-07-05-01.01.html | 01:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-07-05-01.01.txt | 01:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-07-05-01.01.log.html | 01:25 |
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| gongysh | #startmeeting tacker | 04:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 5 04:30:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 04:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 04:30 |
| gongysh | #topic roll call | 04:30 |
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| trinaths | o/ | 04:31 |
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| gongysh | trinaths, hi | 04:31 |
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| trinaths | gongysh: hi | 04:31 |
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| YanXing_an | o/ | 04:31 |
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| gongysh | YanXing_an, hi | 04:32 |
| dkushwaha | o/ | 04:32 |
| tung_doan | hi all | 04:32 |
| janki | o/ | 04:32 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, heard your team has requirements on tacker project? | 04:32 |
| gongysh | my company last week visits your team. | 04:32 |
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| gongysh | lets wait for other guys until 35 | 04:34 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, yes, i am in ShangHai for business yestoday. My leader has requirements | 04:34 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, great, let talk on telephone then. | 04:35 |
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| YanXing_an | gongysh, ok | 04:36 |
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| gongysh | #topic bps | 04:37 |
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| gongysh | tung_doan, hi | 04:37 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434974/ | 04:37 |
| tung_doan | hi gongysh | 04:37 |
| gongysh | there is no big problem now. | 04:38 |
| gongysh | do you have a plan to implement it? | 04:38 |
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| tung_doan | gongysh: it looks like that | 04:38 |
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| tung_doan | gongysh: last week I tried with tacker-conductor for vnffg-healing | 04:38 |
| gongysh | or have you investigated the implementation | 04:38 |
| tung_doan | it looks OK | 04:38 |
| tung_doan | i will upload my code in some days | 04:39 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, ok, please hurry up. | 04:39 |
| gongysh | we have no much time. | 04:39 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: got it. thanks | 04:39 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, could you please have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434974/? | 04:40 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: sure. | 04:40 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: i will review it | 04:40 |
| tung_doan | dkushwaha: thanks :) | 04:40 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448109/, it seems we have no time for it in pike release. | 04:41 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, do you have time for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467479/? | 04:41 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: Sorry I could not work much in this | 04:41 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, and you? | 04:42 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh: you mean to review it ? | 04:42 |
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| gongysh | to implement it. | 04:42 |
| dkushwaha | sure | 04:42 |
| gongysh | spec is merged. | 04:42 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: dkushwaha: YanXing_an: vnffg in ns is a nice feature. Hope to have it in pike | 04:43 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh: sure, i will take it | 04:43 |
| YanXing_an | dkushwaha will be more busy :) | 04:43 |
| dkushwaha | tung_doan: right, but i could not work in that | 04:43 |
| gongysh | #action dkushwaha taks Implement VNF monitor policies with Mistral workflow https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467479/ | 04:44 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, are you sure you can take the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467479/? | 04:45 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: yes, i will | 04:45 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, great. lets have patches get merged at least one patch by one week. | 04:46 |
| YanXing_an | what about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448109/ vnffg in ns? | 04:46 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, do you have time on it? | 04:47 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, i think i have time | 04:47 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, great. | 04:47 |
| tung_doan | YanXing_an: nice! | 04:48 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, lets finish the spec first. | 04:48 |
| YanXing_an | ok | 04:48 |
| dkushwaha | YanXing_an: great | 04:48 |
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| gongysh | so, lets work more closer in these days to make these merged as soon as possible. | 04:49 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, you can have spec and coding at the same time. | 04:49 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: YanXing_an: after vnffg-healing gets merged, i will look into vnffg_scaling. It seems we have several use cases | 04:50 |
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| YanXing_an | gongysh, what time do you expect the first patch? | 04:50 |
| YanXing_an | tung_doan, ok, thanks | 04:51 |
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| * gongysh searching the release plan. | 04:51 | |
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| gongysh | YanXing_an, I think pike-3 is on July 24 | 04:54 |
| gongysh | but we can have it as exception. | 04:54 |
| gongysh | so lets get patch get merged one by one week. | 04:54 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, ok, no much time left. | 04:55 |
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| gongysh | thanks YanXing_an , dkushwaha , tung_doan | 04:55 |
| gongysh | #topic code patch. | 04:56 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476449/ | 04:56 |
| gongysh | I have tested it manually. | 04:56 |
| gongysh | we need to set column default at migration script. | 04:57 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, so please update it, and after testing, we can make it merged. | 04:57 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, are you there? | 04:59 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: ok thanks, i will check | 04:59 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: but I think, we are not adding new column so it should not be | 04:59 |
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| YanXing_an | tung_doan, do you have WeChat app? | 05:00 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh: I will check it again, and will update it | 05:01 |
| * gongysh is thinking | 05:01 | |
| tung_doan | YanXing_an: i did not try it yet | 05:01 |
| tung_doan | YanXing_an: will ping you later about ut | 05:01 |
| YanXing_an | tung_doan, ok | 05:02 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, it is my mistake. | 05:03 |
| gongysh | it works | 05:03 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: great :) | 05:03 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472045/ | 05:06 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh: i will check | 05:08 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh: I ewill check after meeting | 05:09 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha is busy like an ant worker now :) | 05:09 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: not exactly, but needs to look in code :) | 05:09 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477171/ | 05:10 |
| gongysh | from Bharath Thiruveedula | 05:10 |
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| gongysh | trinaths, hi | 05:11 |
| gongysh | seems trinaths is not here yet. | 05:13 |
| dkushwaha | YanXing_an: regarding your comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472045/ . why we need to update openwrt/openwrt.py | 05:13 |
| YanXing_an | def mgmt_call(self, plugin, context, vnf, kwargs): | 05:14 |
| YanXing_an | if (kwargs[mgmt_constants.KEY_ACTION] != | 05:14 |
| YanXing_an | mgmt_constants.ACTION_UPDATE_VNF): | 05:14 |
| YanXing_an | return | 05:14 |
| YanXing_an | in create_vnf, the action is ACTION_CREATE_VNF | 05:15 |
| dkushwaha | YanXing_an: please check line #305 in patch | 05:15 |
| YanXing_an | i see, you modify it to ACTION_UPDATE_VNF, it's ok now. | 05:16 |
| dkushwaha | YanXing_an: Thanks :) | 05:16 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472045/5/tacker/db/vnfm/vnfm_db.py | 05:16 |
| gongysh | I cannot see _save_config_attr is used now | 05:16 |
| trinaths | hi | 05:17 |
| trinaths | gongysh: back now | 05:18 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: right, i will update | 05:18 |
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| YanXing_an | gongysh, mgmt_call is called at create/update/delete_vnf, if we add "if config", we need add at all these places. | 05:19 |
| gongysh | trinaths, will you help to reivew and test https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477171/ | 05:19 |
| trinaths | gongysh: yes. i will test it now | 05:20 |
| gongysh | #action trinaths helps to review and test https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477171/ | 05:20 |
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| trinaths | ack | 05:21 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, I don't see the meanings to call mgmt_call in create if there is not config at all. | 05:21 |
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| gongysh | #topic open discussion | 05:22 |
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| YanXing_an | to make plugin clean? | 05:22 |
| trinaths | please add your proposals for OpenStack Sydney summit, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker_sydney_summit_proposals_2017 | 05:22 |
| gongysh | I have requested one project update slot. | 05:23 |
| gongysh | at sydney summit. | 05:23 |
| trinaths | ok | 05:23 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: what about PTG? it will be virtual or physical ? | 05:23 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, will you join a PTG at china? if not, we can have a virtual. at Augest. | 05:24 |
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| tung_doan | gongysh: janki: I am really interested in containerized VNF in Tacker. Sorry, but this feature can keep up with Pike? :) | 05:26 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: Actually I have a feedback from my company, they are saying that it seems Tacker not much active in PTG or summit, and going slow down. So i will suggest to have physical PTG, even if only few member can join physically and others virtually | 05:26 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, no. but you guys can work as a poc. | 05:26 |
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| trinaths | tung_doan: there is a spec in debate for cVNFs | 05:26 |
| YanXing_an | i want to talk about something that chinamobile doing in tacker, what do you think? | 05:27 |
| janki | tung_doan, gongysh the issue is that tosca can define deeper hardware level configs while dockerfile cann't | 05:27 |
| trinaths | YanXing_an: +1 | 05:27 |
| janki | also there is no definition available to map tosca elements to dockerfile | 05:27 |
| tung_doan | YanXing_an: +1 | 05:27 |
| gongysh | janki, why do you need a dockerfile? | 05:28 |
| gongysh | dockerfile is for creating a docker image. | 05:28 |
| janki | gongysh, to create a docker container from that | 05:28 |
| janki | ya. so that image will be used | 05:28 |
| tung_doan | janki: it requires a lot of time. I just hope we merge this bp in Pike and move development part to Queen release | 05:29 |
| gongysh | lets talk about PTG at tacker channel. | 05:29 |
| trinaths | ok | 05:29 |
| gongysh | time is out. | 05:29 |
| trinaths | bye | 05:29 |
| gongysh | #endmeeting | 05:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 5 05:29:40 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-07-05-04.30.html | 05:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-07-05-04.30.txt | 05:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-07-05-04.30.log.html | 05:29 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 11:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 5 11:00:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 11:00 |
| oneswig | #link Agenda for today is here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_July_5th_2017 | 11:00 |
| oneswig | ... Who noticed the time change? | 11:01 |
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| b1airo | evening | 11:01 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 11:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo oneswig | 11:01 |
| oneswig | Hi b1airo | 11:01 |
| noggin143 | Hi, Tim joining | 11:01 |
| priteau | Hello! | 11:01 |
| oneswig | Hi noggin143 priteau | 11:01 |
| oneswig | well remembered :-) | 11:02 |
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| oneswig | We've got a shortish agenda for today | 11:02 |
| oneswig | #topic Supercomputing BoF | 11:02 |
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| verdurin | Good afternoon. | 11:02 |
| oneswig | First item was that the submission deadline is approaching for BoFs at SC | 11:03 |
| oneswig | Which is in Denver the week after the Sydney summit | 11:03 |
| oneswig | b1airo: do you have the deadline to hand? | 11:03 |
| oneswig | At SC2016 we did a panel session which pretty much filled a big room | 11:04 |
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| oneswig | The question to discuss is, is there appetite for putting something on for SC again? | 11:05 |
| b1airo | end of July off the top of my head... | 11:05 |
| verdurin | oneswig: was there something at ISC? | 11:05 |
| oneswig | verdurin: nothing official AFAIK | 11:06 |
| oneswig | My colleague John attended, I did no. | 11:06 |
| b1airo | yep 31st July | 11:06 |
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| b1airo | i would like to do something at ISC next year | 11:06 |
| oneswig | b1airo: me too | 11:07 |
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| oneswig | One action on SC - I think we should check with hogepodge to see if he's returning. | 11:07 |
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| oneswig | There's also the possibility of a second edition of the book we wrote, which was very popular at the conference | 11:08 |
| b1airo | yes good idea | 11:08 |
| oneswig | #action oneswig to follow up on book and foundation attendance for SC | 11:08 |
| b1airo | so who, if anyone, is planning to attend SC17 ? | 11:08 |
| oneswig | I might - its on the way home from Sydney for me | 11:09 |
| b1airo | hahaha | 11:09 |
| oneswig | Less so for you b1airo :-) | 11:09 |
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| b1airo | at least the Summit will be short, so i can go home in between | 11:09 |
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| oneswig | re: openstack summit - I had a look at submitting papers, are the categories all changed from last time? | 11:10 |
| oneswig | b1airo: I think most WG members at SC16 were from the US time zone, we should follow up with this next week | 11:11 |
| b1airo | i haven't looked yet to be honest, don't really think i've got enough new material to warrant speaking | 11:11 |
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| verdurin | Can't say yet whether I'll be at SC. | 11:11 |
| oneswig | wondered if the new format meant fewer categories | 11:11 |
| b1airo | the TPC was interesting | 11:12 |
| oneswig | TPC? | 11:12 |
| b1airo | technical programme committee | 11:12 |
| b1airo | for SC17 I mean | 11:12 |
| oneswig | submissions already selected for presentations? | 11:13 |
| b1airo | mostly | 11:13 |
| priteau | I won't be at SC. I will ask Kate if she'll be there, she generally attends. | 11:13 |
| oneswig | priteau: she's involved in running it isn't she? | 11:14 |
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| b1airo | there was not a huge amount of competition from great papers to be frank | 11:14 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: what was the category? | 11:14 |
| b1airo | only a handful accepted for the clouds and distributed computing stream | 11:14 |
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| b1airo | i'm still working on shepherding one of them, but that's turning out ok now | 11:15 |
| priteau | oneswig: she's chair of the Clouds & Distributed Computing committee | 11:15 |
| priteau | So it's very likely she'll be there | 11:16 |
| b1airo | yeah i expect kate would be at the conference itself given she is chair, but i suppose you never know - she did say her travel diary was pretty crazy | 11:16 |
| oneswig | b1airo: after seeing a few talks last time I assumed the bar was pretty high, perhaps it's worth having a go next time round | 11:16 |
| b1airo | oneswig, yes i think so | 11:16 |
| oneswig | noted for 2018 :-) | 11:17 |
| b1airo | probably a practice and experience paper | 11:17 |
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| b1airo | might be just the thing to get that Maldives meeting lined up ;-) | 11:17 |
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| oneswig | Oh, if it'll get us to the Maldives I'll do it!! | 11:18 |
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| b1airo | noggin143, what is happening at CERN? i see luminosity is surpassing expectations since the restart | 11:19 |
| noggin143 | yup, running great | 11:19 |
| noggin143 | we’re getting some more tape in stock | 11:19 |
| noggin143 | also just got ironic working | 11:19 |
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| oneswig | OK so to sum up on this, I think there's scope for some activity (including possibly a BoF) but we should follow up with the Americas session next week. | 11:20 |
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| oneswig | noggin143: in a cell or a separate deploy? | 11:20 |
| b1airo | cool! i have been wanting to ask you guys about that as i thought i'd heard you had it going with cellsV1 and was interested to know if there were any gremlins there | 11:20 |
| noggin143 | in a cell, in the production cloud | 11:20 |
| noggin143 | we’re also just starting testing cells v2 with upstream | 11:20 |
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| b1airo | is there a blog or some such to follow, or maybe we can get belmiro along to talk about it..? | 11:22 |
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| noggin143 | I’m sure belmiro will share the details, although he’s a bit busy with the new arrival at home | 11:22 |
| b1airo | oh, belmoreira, are you here already? | 11:22 |
| oneswig | We recently saw some oddity relating to the timing of Ironic registering hypervisors and populating a cell | 11:22 |
| b1airo | did he get a new gaming rig...? :-P | 11:23 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: too good! :-) | 11:23 |
| oneswig | OK - want to talk THP? | 11:24 |
| oneswig | #topic b1airo's issues with THP | 11:24 |
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| b1airo | i don't have a great deal of detail on this yet sorry but maybe someone will just know what our problem is | 11:25 |
| b1airo | here's hoping! | 11:25 |
| oneswig | What are the symptoms? | 11:25 |
| b1airo | basically we have noticed on some of our virtualised HPC nodes that certain jobs sometimes run very slowly | 11:25 |
| b1airo | the guests are CentOS7 backed by hugepages (either static or THP) on Ubuntu hypervisors (4.4 kernel) | 11:26 |
| b1airo | the THP issues are inside the guest itself | 11:26 |
| b1airo | the host THP usage stays steady after the guest is started | 11:27 |
| verdurin | b1airo: only with CentOS 7 guests, so a wide disparity in guest-host kernels? | 11:27 |
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| b1airo | so far we only have data for CentOS7 guests as we don't yet have a repeatable trigger and so have not been able to narrow things down or look at kernel bisections etc | 11:28 |
| b1airo | in the guests, when performance goes bad we see very high system time | 11:28 |
| b1airo | and when khugepaged runs periodically it uses noticeably more CPU than normal | 11:29 |
| oneswig | Is there some kind of steady-state activity that can provoke this? What I'm getting at is stochastic kernel profiling using perf - http://www.brendangregg.com/FlameGraphs/cpuflamegraphs.html | 11:29 |
| b1airo | this seems to be related to THP defrag / memory compaction, as disabled defrag makes the high system time disappear | 11:30 |
| b1airo | oneswig, perf is a good suggestion | 11:30 |
| oneswig | only problem is, you need to provoke the problem continuously for (say) a minute | 11:31 |
| oneswig | to get a sample | 11:31 |
| b1airo | as we're suspecting some kind of memory fragmentation issue we've started collecting into influx (with grafana bolted on) vmstat and buddyinfo data | 11:31 |
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| b1airo | for all compute guests | 11:32 |
| b1airo | we also see a high rate of compact_fail in the THP counters | 11:32 |
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| oneswig | What are the causes of failure - any thoughts? | 11:33 |
| b1airo | it seems like it could be some interaction with pagecache as when we drop_caches the compact_fail stops the dramatic increase and hugepage count goes up again | 11:33 |
| b1airo | so far we haven't seen any obvious job/application patterns in the slurm logs | 11:34 |
| b1airo | but i note that THP only applies to anonymous memory, so currently linux does not hugepage-ify pagecache | 11:34 |
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| b1airo | the one thing we do have is an application that runs dramatically faster with hugepage backing in the guest (as well as the hypervisor), so we do have a test-case to detect problems that should finish in 1min if working properly | 11:36 |
| oneswig | Does it count as a failure if there's insufficient contiguous physical memory to create a hugepage? | 11:36 |
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| b1airo | oneswig, that's a great question - i have not had a lot of luck finding murky details of the compaction algorithm | 11:37 |
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| b1airo | there is an LWN article from about 2010 that talks about it generally but it is not in relation to THP | 11:37 |
| oneswig | Hopefully, failure is nothing more than that - no room in the inn | 11:38 |
| oneswig | and might explain why evicting caches indirectly helps | 11:38 |
| b1airo | in the default CentOS7 (and maybe RHEL7) guest setup /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/defrag is enabled | 11:38 |
| b1airo | which means that the vm (as in linux virtual memory management, not virtual machine) will perform defrag on-demand to allocate a hugepage in response to a page fault | 11:39 |
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| b1airo | i think that is why we see the system time drop off when 'echo never > /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/defrag', as we stop slowing down page faults and just fall back to using 4k pages | 11:40 |
| oneswig | I wonder if a paravirtualised guest sees some data passed through on memory mapping, similar to numa awareness | 11:41 |
| b1airo | hmm no idea | 11:41 |
| oneswig | I'm trying to picture these interactions between the page mapping of host and guest and not doing very well... | 11:42 |
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| b1airo | i'm still wondering if there is not a much simpler way to do guest to physical memory mappings than the 2-dimensional method used today | 11:42 |
| oneswig | I think what you've got here is a top-drawer presentation subject for Sydney - if you get to the bottom of it | 11:42 |
| oneswig | Keep us updated? | 11:43 |
| b1airo | if you can assume a guest's memory is mlocked (reasonable for high-performance use-cases) then it seems like you can reduce the guest page lockup to an offset | 11:44 |
| b1airo | but i'm sure that's a stupidly naive idea and if i find the right mailing list someone will suitably shoot me down :-) | 11:44 |
| b1airo | oneswig, fingers crossed! | 11:45 |
| oneswig | Should we move on? | 11:45 |
| b1airo | we'll be trying to build some nice graphs to visualise it more and hopefully i can share something pictorial next week | 11:46 |
| b1airo | yep | 11:46 |
| oneswig | Thanks b1airo, be really interesting to see what you find | 11:46 |
| oneswig | #topic scientific application catalogue | 11:46 |
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| oneswig | OK, I had an action to investigate Murano on tripleO | 11:46 |
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| oneswig | verdurin: you did too - any luch? | 11:46 |
| oneswig | I mean luck? | 11:47 |
| oneswig | I got my TripleO deploy to the point where I can add Murano, that's all I managed alas | 11:47 |
| oneswig | I did however have discussions with several others who were also interested in this kind of service | 11:48 |
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| oneswig | verdurin: you there Adam? | 11:49 |
| noggin143 | we’re looking at Murano this summer. Given that the OpenStack application catalog at openstack.org is being retired, it would be interesting to share some scientific apps | 11:49 |
| b1airo | is it, totally missed that - how come? | 11:49 |
| noggin143 | it was competing with other repositories like bitnami and dockerhub | 11:50 |
| oneswig | noggin143: is the CERN investigation being done in a way that we can participate in? | 11:51 |
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| noggin143 | it’s a summer student project for the next few weeks and they will do a writeup once it is done. | 11:51 |
| verdurin | Back now oneswig | 11:52 |
| oneswig | Sounds useful, let's keep it on the agenda. | 11:52 |
| oneswig | Hi verdurin - any luck with you? | 11:52 |
| verdurin | oneswig: not yet. Hopefully very soon. | 11:53 |
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| oneswig | me too... it's a three horse race :-) | 11:53 |
| oneswig | noggin143: is there an intern assigned for this work? | 11:53 |
| oneswig | we could start a therad | 11:54 |
| oneswig | thread | 11:54 |
| b1airo | noggin143, so was the reason to do with those other places having larger contributor communities and so the openstack catalog looking bad because it is so sparse ? | 11:54 |
| noggin143 | and because it was viewed as a competitive solution. Better to integrate with other communities than have our own | 11:54 |
| priteau | The mailing list thread about the app catalog is http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113362.html | 11:55 |
| b1airo | is there an alternative that would allow us to share murano apps for example? | 11:55 |
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| b1airo | thanks priteau | 11:55 |
| noggin143 | I think we’re probably best off just setting up a github repo and the syncing to it | 11:56 |
| b1airo | it predates my recent decision to try and read more of openstack-dev again | 11:56 |
| oneswig | b1airo: the NSF guys had a Murano catalog in draft form | 11:56 |
| oneswig | and were sharing packagings on that. Don't think it went mainstream but we should pursue that. | 11:57 |
| noggin143 | NSF work sounds interesting. | 11:57 |
| oneswig | #link presentation here https://www.openstack.org/videos/barcelona-2016/image-is-everything-dynamic-hpc-vm-repositories-using-murano | 11:58 |
| b1airo | Murano on Nectar is getting a steady flow of contributions now, i haven't actually looked at our index in a while but i see the "new murano package" tickets come in for review, maybe one every fortnight at the moment | 11:59 |
| oneswig | Anything more - AOB? | 11:59 |
| b1airo | there is a relevant ML thread on rebranding WGs to SIGs | 11:59 |
| oneswig | b1airo: sounds like it has enough critical mass on Nectar to be self-sustaining | 11:59 |
| b1airo | we would certainly love to share with other science clouds | 12:00 |
| verdurin | love to hear more about it, b1airo | 12:00 |
| oneswig | out of time... thanks everyone | 12:00 |
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| b1airo | cheers all, goodnight! | 12:01 |
| verdurin | Bye | 12:01 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 12:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 5 12:01:24 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-07-05-11.00.html | 12:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-07-05-11.00.txt | 12:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-07-05-11.00.log.html | 12:01 |
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| priteau | Bye everyone | 12:02 |
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| verdurin | bye priteau | 12:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | #startmeeting massively_distributed_clouds | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 5 15:02:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ad_rien_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | #chair ad_rien_ | 15:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ad_rien_ | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | #chair par` | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: ad_rien_ par` | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic roll call | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | Hi guys | 15:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | sorry for being late | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | so | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | Who is there today? | 15:03 |
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| rcherrueau | o/ | 15:03 |
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| msimonin | o/ | 15:04 |
| mabderrahim | o/ | 15:04 |
| par` | o/ | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | #info agenda | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 Agenda line 860 | 15:04 |
| ansmith | o/ | 15:04 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 15:04 |
| pbressan | o/ | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so before starting I would like to inform you that I will have to leave at 15:45 from my side | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | par`: could you please end the meeting | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:05 |
| par` | sure will | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:05 |
| banhgao | o/ | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | #chair msimonin | 15:05 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ad_rien_ msimonin par` | 15:05 |
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| ad_rien_ | #chair @rcherrueau | 15:06 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: @rcherrueau | 15:06 |
| openstack | Current chairs: @rcherrueau ad_rien_ msimonin par` | 15:06 |
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| ad_rien_ | #chair rcherrueau | 15:06 |
| openstack | Current chairs: @rcherrueau ad_rien_ msimonin par` rcherrueau | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:06 |
| rcherrueau | wow just got promoted | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | so please remind to add your nick/name in the pad thanks | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | ;) | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | so regarding the announcement | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic announcements | 15:07 |
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| ad_rien_ | I do not have particular information apart be pleased to see folks from the FKB institution ;) | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | Welcome banhgao | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | Maybe you can introduce you a bit more and explain what are you doing ? and what is your target? | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | banhgao (Daniel ?) | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | do you want to tell us a bit more about fbk ? | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | and why you are there (I can do it if you prefer but I think you are the most relevant person to do that ;)) | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | banhgao: ? | 15:09 |
| banhgao | Hello everybody | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | (FYI, I just add a smalll sentence in the pad line 875) | 15:10 |
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| banhgao | FBK is a research foundation in Trento (Italy). Our research unit is currently working on a fog computing platform. | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | dunno whether we should say more but if you want to, please the floor is yours | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | so let's move forward. | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | Second announcement, I encourage you to go through the Openstack etherpad I put line 877 | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | it is rather interesting to see what are the current technical challenges core developers are facing. | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | and that's all from my side | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | Does anyone want to announce something special ? | 15:13 |
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| par` | Do you have any insight in OPNFV? | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | not yet | 15:14 |
| par` | I hear of a new group being started that relates to this. | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | I'm still waiting for some informations from jamemcc ? | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | I don't know whether he is online. I put this point in the open discussion. | 15:15 |
| jamemcc | Hi | 15:15 |
| jamemcc | JOined late | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | par`: do you have some links related to this new group? | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: Hi, good to see you online. | 15:15 |
| jamemcc | THanks | 15:15 |
| par` | give me min .... Bryan Sullivan from AT&T created a wiki on it. | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | We were asking whether you have some news regarding what's happen on the NFV/LCCO and the gross WG chair meeting ? | 15:16 |
| jamemcc | No new group from my perspective - FYI - I am chair of the Large Contributing OpenStack Operators (LCOO) wG | 15:16 |
| par` | here is the link I saw: https://wiki.opnfv.org/display/PROJ/Multi-Access+Edge | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | par`: ack. jamemcc: do you have some news regarding the cross WG chair meeting? | 15:17 |
| jamemcc | Yes - we ahve been working to get better communication channel going across the Workign Groups - incuging this one, Operators Telco NFV, LCOO and OPNFV | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/display/PROJ/Multi-Access+Edge a new WG on the OPNFV side. | 15:17 |
| jamemcc | User Committee want's to have it as part of User Committee Meetings so it was just a matter of when. | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | #action ad_rien_ should give a look to this new WG. | 15:17 |
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| jamemcc | We had a poll and the User Committee watend to query/urge a few more to participate and they have now and the proposal is for the first such cross WG meeting at User Committee to be July 19 | 15:18 |
| par` | jamecc: what is the next step from our perspective? | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: I thought you opened a doodle to try to fix a final slot? | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: ok. Did they send an official email/invitation? Can you please tell us the time on July, the 19th? | 15:19 |
| jamemcc | This is mostly documented in User Committee ML: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2017-June/002183.html | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2017-June/002183.html first cross WG discussion | 15:20 |
| jamemcc | Hmm - I see a issue - In the ML - I put JUly 17 | 15:21 |
| jamemcc | But it shoudl eb ealry on a Wednesday - So July 18 | 15:21 |
| jamemcc | July 19 | 15:21 |
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| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:21 |
| jamemcc | If you can attend the User Committee next Monday July 10 to try to push this through, please do | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | I will be offline unfortunately | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | can you please keep us in touch? | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | just send me a mail if it is possible? | 15:22 |
| jamemcc | Then watch for announcement for July 19 meeting and come prepared to listen to the other WG and offer your advice when co-topics come up | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:22 |
| jamemcc | Will do | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | So I note July 19 5:00 UTC | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | ok ? | 15:23 |
| jamemcc | Yes | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | ok thanks | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | so let's move forward in the agenda | 15:23 |
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| ad_rien_ | #topic on-going actions | 15:23 |
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| ad_rien_ | Last meeting we did not discuss the use-case | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | So I would propose to start by this item today | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | Is it ok for everyone ? | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | par`: the floor is yours | 15:23 |
| par` | Thank you. | 15:23 |
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| par` | I have shared some slides on the mailing list yesterday. | 15:24 |
| par` | It would be good for everyone to have a look and give feedback. | 15:24 |
| par` | Use case is an ambiguous term.. and it encompasses many things that we have to address. | 15:24 |
| par` | I suggest we agree on the aspects that need to be addressed for specific use cases. | 15:25 |
| par` | 1- are we talking about edge cloud or about federated cloud? | 15:25 |
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| par` | 2- are we talking about IOT, or AR or another type of service | 15:25 |
| par` | 3- How do we divide Openstack components among nodes. | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | edge is the priority of this WG. considering that an edge platform is an infrastructure composed of several edge data centers | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | 2./ can you please clarify what do you mean by AR ? | 15:26 |
| par` | Augmented reality | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | 3./ this is the overall objective of this WG .) | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | ;) | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | of or 2./ I think we can consdier both | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | why not? | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | I mean the industrial internet and the Tactile internet are both leveraing IoT and AR. | 15:27 |
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| par` | Agreed... I think they all are in scope. But wouldn't it be good to identify which one we focus on.... in terms of use case. So we can move forward on the technical tests | 15:28 |
| banhgao | In our work at FBK we are working on mobile edge platform to support IoT devices. We can provide some use cases for that. | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_ | +1 | 15:29 |
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| par` | +1 | 15:29 |
| par` | banhgao: do you already have an architecture in mind that we can use as a starting point? | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | Telcos with CRAN use-cases also need FEMDC infrastructures | 15:29 |
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| ad_rien_ | They had a paper to the last IEEE CloudCom conference | 15:31 |
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| ad_rien_ | that presents the architecture at coarse-grained | 15:31 |
| banhgao | @par` By now we are using a single cloud with an intermediate fog level and gateways to connect to IoT devices. I can leave some links in the pad | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | unless I missunderstood, the idea was a central DC and several DCs deployed at the edge | 15:31 |
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| ad_rien_ | banhgao: can you please put the link in the pad. | 15:32 |
| par` | That is definitely an interesting case for this group. If you can share the link, I will add it to the deck. | 15:32 |
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| par` | The last part of the use case would be the lifecycle operations we consider. | 15:33 |
| par` | Are we looking at measuring how fast we can instantiate 1000 VMs? | 15:33 |
| par` | Are we looking at measuring how easily we can do failure recovery ? | 15:33 |
| par` | I have listed about a dozen such operations in the deck. | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://opentechdiary.wordpress.com/2015/07/22/part-5-a-walk-through-internet-of-things-iot-basics/ a view of IoT/Industrial Internet and Internel of skills (aka tactile internet) | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | OK so let's try to define concrete actions. | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | For the next time, every person interested by the use-case action should put his/her comments in the slides. | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | Do you think it is enough to move forward ? | 15:35 |
| par` | How many use cases do we want to target? Should we start with just one? and then move forward? | 15:35 |
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| ad_rien_ | Yes I think we should identify a few (let's say no more than 5) | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | and then try to identify which is the simplest and the most difficult/complex | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | in terms of scientific/technical challenges | 15:36 |
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| ad_rien_ | I think that the use-case that is envisioned by FBK is something we can deliver | 15:36 |
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| ad_rien_ | without involving important changes in OpenStack | 15:37 |
| par` | actions would be to fully documeent the FBK use case for next week so we can vote on it. | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | more distributed scenarios (i.e. involving a huge number of DCs at the edge can become difficult) | 15:37 |
| par` | and then to come to the meeting with additional use cases. | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | banhgao: do you think it is feasible according to the vacation? | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | Can you consolidate informations in the current presentation | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1sBczuC2Wu1d_misBmPahLPdvyhOI4QuVy129EHunuUM/edit#slide=id.g1f7f1a38ce_2_95 current use-case presentation | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | for the next meeting (i.e. on July, the 19th if I'm right) ? | 15:39 |
| par` | If people can edit the document, this is good. If not, please send updates to me and I will do the edit. | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | #action ad_rien_ go through the google use-case presentation and add comment (if not possible send it to par`) | 15:39 |
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| ad_rien_ | #action all do the same ;) | 15:39 |
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| par` | ad_rien_: one last point. | 15:40 |
| par` | I feel networking requires special attention. | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | please elaborate a bit more ? | 15:41 |
| banhgao | We can provide detailed information about the platform and the use-cases for the next meeting. | 15:41 |
| par` | So when people review and comment, it would be good if they shared thoughts on how to implement neutron or other networking solution at the edge. | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | #action banhgao will provide additional information related to the FBK use-case | 15:41 |
| par` | e.g. should we use L2 or L3 networking at the edge. | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | banhgao: thanks ack | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | par`: +1 | 15:42 |
| par` | that is it for me. | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | but just to avoid missunderstanding | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | are you talking about control plane exchanges or data plane or both? | 15:42 |
| par` | My initial focus was control plane.... but the deck does touch on user plane too. | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | FYI, there will be a new PhD applicant (starting next october) between Inria and Orange to deal with those challenges. | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | so right | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | I agree | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | is this point already highlighted in your slides? | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | If yes great, if not, may I ask you to add a note please? | 15:43 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok I will have to go from my side. | 15:44 |
| par` | #action par` to add a note to slides about networking. | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | Before leaving I just want to highlight an important point to discuss today | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | pelase | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | it is related to the deadline for submitting presentations to the next summit | 15:44 |
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| ad_rien_ | so the questions that should be discussed are: | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | 1./ who plans to go to Sidney | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | 2./ who plans to submit a presentaion | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | 3./ will we be enough persons to have a f2f meeting in Sidney | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks guys for addressing these questions please | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks par` for chairing the end of the meeting | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | ++ | 15:45 |
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| par` | thanks. | 15:46 |
| par` | shoudl we move to the next topic? | 15:46 |
| par` | AMQP alternatives | 15:47 |
| kgiusti | hi - I put some details in the epad | 15:47 |
| par` | #topic AMQP Alternatives | 15:47 |
| kgiusti | quick summary: | 15:47 |
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| kgiusti | kolla-ansible patches complete and in review | 15:47 |
| kgiusti | micro-benchmarks for the message bus are being worked on (see epad for link) | 15:47 |
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| kgiusti | Though in light of today's discussion, I propose we hold off on defining any system level topologies and tests until the use-cases are defined | 15:48 |
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| kgiusti | We need to define the message bus topology/configuration within the context of the use-case for the tests to have significant meaning IMHO | 15:49 |
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| kgiusti | that's all I have for today. | 15:49 |
| par` | kgiusti: aren't there things we can move forward that are shared accross use cases? | 15:49 |
| kgiusti | par`: certainly the messaging-level tests | 15:50 |
| kgiusti | to get an understanding of the behaviors of different tech and topologies | 15:50 |
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| par` | So it does make sense to focus on messaging-level tests for now while we discuss use cases. | 15:51 |
| kgiusti | and we can do some base line rally tests for sure | 15:51 |
| kgiusti | par`: yeah, that's my inclination. | 15:51 |
| par` | Are you taking that action? | 15:51 |
| kgiusti | we can 'optimize' the message bus to the particular use case, then analyze that. | 15:52 |
| kgiusti | par`: sure! | 15:52 |
| par` | #action: kgiusti to focus on messaging-level tests and do some base line rally tests while work on use cases continue. | 15:52 |
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| par` | Can we move on to cockroach quickly before adjourning? | 15:53 |
| par` | #topic Cockroach | 15:53 |
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| par` | Any updates? | 15:54 |
| rcherrueau | I am working on that with a student | 15:54 |
| rcherrueau | So, as expected ... | 15:54 |
| rcherrueau | things don't work out of the box! | 15:54 |
| rcherrueau | The first issue is applying all database migration computed by SQLAlchemy-migrate | 15:54 |
| rcherrueau | To make things clear for everyone: Keystone relies on SQLAlchemy-migrate to deal with database schema changes | 15:54 |
| rcherrueau | I don't look into the code of SQLAlchemy-migrate but I think it uses some "introspection/intercession magic" on database to gather information on the current state of the schema and then apply migration. | 15:54 |
| rcherrueau | Of course, this magic stuff is not implemented by cockroachdb dialect. | 15:54 |
| rcherrueau | I am currently working on a minimal example code to discuss with cockroachlab folks directly. | 15:54 |
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| rcherrueau | Fortunately, things are not stuck here. | 15:55 |
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| par` | Any specific action we should capture? | 15:55 |
| rcherrueau | We are actually working on dumping pgsql into cockroachdb to bypass migration. | 15:55 |
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| rcherrueau | nothing special right now | 15:56 |
| par` | OK thanks. | 15:56 |
| par` | we have three minutes left. | 15:56 |
| par` | any other comments? | 15:56 |
| par` | #topic Open Discussion | 15:57 |
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| par` | Anyone remembers the command to end the IRC meeting? | 15:57 |
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| par` | I could use help here. | 15:58 |
| rcherrueau | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 5 15:58:12 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-07-05-15.02.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-07-05-15.02.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-07-05-15.02.log.html | 15:58 |
| rcherrueau | :) | 15:58 |
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| rcherrueau | I forgot ad_rien promoted me :) | 15:59 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 5 16:00:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
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| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| cFouts | hi | 16:00 |
| scottda | It's Wednesday? Feels like Monday... | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 16:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: It is rather disorienting. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Yeah, I'm all thrown off. | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | Alright - hey everyone. | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Will be nice when the 4th is closer to a weekend again. | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Hey! | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Thanks jungleboyj for running the meetings the last couple weeks for me. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Really nice not to have to get up in the middle of the night. :) | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | And new appreciation for those that do to attend this. | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Welcome. Did my best to fill your shoes. ;-) | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | We are three weeks from P-3! | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | As usual, the cycle is flying by. | 16:03 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus | 16:03 |
| lhx_ | o/ | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | I put the approved specs that were still in the works at the top there. ^^ | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | Most are in good shape (just waiting for final client patch), but a few... not so much. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | First one there I think is from LisaLi. I haven't seen her around for quite a while. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | Anyone know if she was affected by OSIC or related tuff? | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | *stuff | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | Well, there are a couple specs there that we might need to revert if they no longer have anyone driving them. | 16:05 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: what specs do you mean? | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Backup Service Enabled API, maybe Dynamic Reconfig, | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | I guess that's it. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | The others are at least in progress. | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Chatted with me about the dynamic reconfig yesterday. | 16:08 |
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| jungleboyj | Sounds like much of the code is in place. The question is figuring out what is mutable and not. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Oh right, I saw a question in last weeks logs. | 16:08 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: thanks. I'll try to find some time to take a look on a backup-related specs | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | Let me find a link quick. | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | Talk amongst yourselves. :) | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah. We have been working through that and updating the spec. | 16:09 |
| e0ne | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350310/ | 16:09 |
| e0ne | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/cinder-specs/specs/pike/add-backup-capability.html | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | hey e0ne did you see that haircut smcginnis got? | 16:09 |
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| e0ne | jgriffith: no | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj I heard a rumor about smcginnis.... | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | LOL | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: ? | 16:10 |
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| * jgriffith is talking amongst ourselves | 16:10 | |
| jgriffith | like students in class talking about the teacher when he/she leaves the room | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | oh well... I thought it was funny | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: His hair is pretty much the same. I swear it never grows actually. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | Looks like the link is messed up with the doc migration work. But here's a cached version showing what needs to be done for the config mutable-ness. | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: I laughed. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cTVZOOhnGp4J:https://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.config/mutable.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | Sorry for those that can't use Google. | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | a good soldier should never look like they need a haircut or just got a haircut | 16:11 |
| mdovgal | jgriffith, we need photo link) | 16:11 |
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| mdovgal | jgriffith, we need photo's link) | 16:11 |
| mdovgal | sorry | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: He is a good soldier! | 16:11 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | 1 on the sides, 2 on the top. ;) | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis indeed! | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | 1'st and 15'th of each month | 16:12 |
| lhx_ | is there any photo? lol | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | sorry everyone, the haircut thing was a joke | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Look what you've done! | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | not really saying there's anything about smcginnis 's haircut | 16:13 |
| * jungleboyj is laughing | 16:13 | |
| jgriffith | i know... | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | :D | 16:13 |
| * jgriffith walks proudly | 16:13 | |
| smcginnis | Hah | 16:13 |
| mdovgal | jgriffith, :( | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | Shoot. I had one more announcement thing but I can't remember now. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | We can move on and see if it comes back to me. | 16:13 |
| * jgriffith 's work here is done | 16:13 | |
| * jungleboyj is enjoying the train crash | 16:14 | |
| jgriffith | class clowns never win | 16:14 |
| * smcginnis pictures jgriffith getting up and walking out like George Costanza | 16:14 | |
| jgriffith | leave on a high note!! | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo_phon: You around | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | actually it's more like "the jerk store called and they're running low on you" | 16:14 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Yeah. A bit :) | 16:14 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Not driving currently, but still en route. | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo_phon: Able to talk to your agenda topic? | 16:15 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Which one? Dynamic reconfiguration? | 16:15 |
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| * diablo_rojo_phon doesn't have the agenda open | 16:15 | |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo_phon: Config option consolidation. We can push it to next week. | 16:16 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Oh yeah still poking around. If we can't push it one more week I can have more concrete info. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo_phon: OK, let's wait then. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 16:16 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Cool, thank you! | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | That was all on the official agenda. Anyone have anything else. | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: Want to give any attach updates? | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis yes please... | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis so there's one last thing holding us up now... | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | that's the whole shared-connection debate thing | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | if people have concerns here or use that model we REALLY need your help at this point | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | otherwise, we will assume everything works just like LVM and merge that version; if you're broken, you're broken | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:18 |
| ildikov | This point equals NOW :) | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | Do we have tempest tests that go through the new path yet? | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis getting close; but CI's wont' pick it up until nova merges | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | and we can't merge that until we know we don't break everyone... | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | so kinda.. well, ya know | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | Then probably good if we get that in soon enough to fix up any issues. | 16:20 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: +1 | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | that's actually not a bad way to look at it either | 16:20 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: Can you use a cross-repo depends on tag to test the nova patch befor eit merges? | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT yeah, we do that already, but that's not a requirement for CI and it doesn't matter because our CI's aren't running against nova patches | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | what I mean is that we have been doing cross-project depends on in the nova patch | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Just post an empty cinder patch that depends on the nova patch, no? | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Yeah, and I don't know if any third party CI is set up yet to handle cross repo dependencies correctly yet. | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Ah, you're way ahead of me then, I'll ggo back to sleep :-) | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT again, I don't think most of the 3'rd party systems do the cross-project checks, but we could try that | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Hah | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | I guess there's one way to find out :) | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | but I thought people would care enough to look BEFORE we merged the nova changes :) | 16:22 |
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| * DuncanT takes no responsibility for CI systems suffering fires, floods or plagues of locusts asa result | 16:23 | |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT sorry pal, we're holding you responsible for ALL THE THINGS | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | well, all the BAD things at least | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | One other thing on the Cinder side that's needed is this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/480657/ | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | I think that's about all I have | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | ildikov anything else from your side? | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Watching that one. | 16:24 |
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| ildikov | I think that's all | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith, ildikov: Thanks! | 16:25 |
| ildikov | I mean we need to fix the shared connection issue and if we choose to do that in the fire fighting way, then, oh well :) | 16:25 |
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| smcginnis | In other words - storage vendors should really test this ASAP. :) | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith, ildikov: Thanks for the update. | 16:26 |
| ildikov | yep | 16:26 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: tnx | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | I remembered what else I was going to say. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | CFP for the Summit is open. | 16:27 |
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| smcginnis | So if you have any ideas for interesting talks, submit them now. | 16:27 |
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| smcginnis | I think that closes soon (next week?). | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | I don't have a link handy. | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | interesting to myself or others? | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Either works. ;) | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | haha! | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | PTG registration is also open: | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/project-teams-gathering-denver-2017-tickets-33219389087 | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | "Starting and training BLM adopted wild horses, do's and donts" | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | You might get a lot of curious people to attend that one. :D | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | It closes June 14th US time. Late in the day. | 16:29 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Thanks! | 16:29 |
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| DuncanT | June 14th? 3 weeks ago? | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | s/June/July/ | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | Two letters off. :0 | 16:30 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: Any chance of making it to either one for you? | 16:30 |
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| winston-d | which one closes on July 14th? PTG or Summit? | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | Sorry, July 14th. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | Brain still on Holiday. | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | winston-d: Summit talk proposals. | 16:30 |
| winston-d | smcginnis: thx | 16:30 |
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| smcginnis | Hopefully we can get good turn out at the PTG. Be prepared with blood samples and passwords if you're entering the US. | 16:31 |
| * jungleboyj sighs | 16:31 | |
| jgriffith | :( | 16:31 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: did you get any trouble coming back? | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | xyang1: No, pretty easy for me. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | I suppose I should keep my mouth shut to keep it that way. | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | I am surprised, his new haircut looks suspicious. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | LOL | 16:32 |
| xyang1 | :) | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | OK, anything else productive to talk about today? | 16:32 |
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| smcginnis | Alright, thanks everyone. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 5 16:34:23 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-07-05-16.00.html | 16:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-07-05-16.00.txt | 16:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-07-05-16.00.log.html | 16:34 |
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| xgerman_ | o/ | 17:05 |
| johnsom | o/ | 17:06 |
| johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 17:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 5 17:06:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 17:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 17:06 |
| johnsom | Argh, a bit late, sorry about that. | 17:06 |
| johnsom | I need to get used to the new time | 17:06 |
| gans | #help | 17:06 |
| johnsom | #topic Announcements | 17:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 17:07 | |
| johnsom | We are heading towards feature freeze Pike-3 July 24th | 17:07 |
| johnsom | Just a reminder | 17:08 |
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| johnsom | Monday there was a patch pushed that changed all of the documentation locations. This was planned to be a per-project thing, but it happened all at once. | 17:08 |
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| johnsom | We were able to push out the new layout I was working on, so our docs are back. | 17:09 |
| johnsom | They have a new home: https://docs.openstack.org/octavia/latest/ | 17:09 |
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| johnsom | The docs team has given us the required layout (admin/contributor/user) etc. | 17:10 |
| johnsom | Any feedback is welcome... | 17:10 |
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| johnsom | Also, I will be out of the office for the rest of the week. I am attending a wedding in a forest, so probably won't have much internet access. | 17:11 |
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| johnsom | Any other announcements today? | 17:11 |
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| jniesz | Just a reminder of active/active L3 meeting tomorrow | 17:12 |
| xgerman_ | mmh, should w emove that if johnsom is out? | 17:12 |
| johnsom | Oh darn. I will have to miss that. | 17:12 |
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| johnsom | It is up to you folks. I will be on the freeway so can't join. | 17:14 |
| jniesz | We could keep the meeting and always do a follow up next week too | 17:15 |
| johnsom | Yes, sounds good. | 17:15 |
| johnsom | #topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review | 17:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports / bugs needing review (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 17:15 | |
| johnsom | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Octavia-Pike-priority-patches | 17:15 |
| johnsom | Opps | 17:16 |
| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Octavia-Pike-priority-patches | 17:16 |
| johnsom | We have a priority list for Pike | 17:16 |
| johnsom | If anyone has anything they really want to get into Pike, ping me and add it to the list. We are down to the last few weeks, so we need to narrow our focus a bit. | 17:17 |
| johnsom | Also, nmagnezi is looking for some input on this bug | 17:18 |
| johnsom | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bug/1690812 | 17:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1690812 in octavia "Octavia active/standby config+ pool with sourceip session persistence configuration- Service is not available and LB is not deleted after test" [Undecided,New] | 17:18 |
| johnsom | I think I see two different issues there and will comment a bit later | 17:18 |
| johnsom | But if others want to take a look, please do. | 17:19 |
| johnsom | Over the last week I have been working on our docs migration. This is all because of this spec: | 17:19 |
| johnsom | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/75/472275/13/check/gate-docs-specs-docs-ubuntu-xenial/b57a583//doc/build/html/specs/pike/os-manuals-migration.html | 17:20 |
| johnsom | #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/pike/os-manuals-migration.html | 17:20 |
| johnsom | Ok, better link second. | 17:20 |
| johnsom | This supports what we have been doing for a while, which is moving our docs in-repo | 17:20 |
| johnsom | Any other progress reports/updates? | 17:21 |
| johnsom | We are also now complete with all of the Pike community goals. Those patches are up for review in governance. | 17:22 |
| johnsom | #topic Open Discussion | 17:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 17:23 | |
| johnsom | Quiet this week... | 17:23 |
| johnsom | Other topics? | 17:23 |
| xgerman_ | I have been playing around with: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313006/ | 17:23 |
| johnsom | I suspect folks are not used to the new time yet and/or on vacation as it's a holiday week in the US | 17:24 |
| xgerman_ | and I kicked around the idea to merge that in Pike as a basis for Active-Active drivers in the future | 17:24 |
| johnsom | Ha, lots of red at the moment... Grin | 17:24 |
| xgerman_ | yep, but there is some time before Pike deadline | 17:24 |
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| johnsom | Yes. As long as it doesn't bring risk into Pike I am ok starting to merge some of that if it is ready | 17:25 |
| xgerman_ | I don’t think it adds risk will just be “dead” code without the rest | 17:25 |
| johnsom | Ok | 17:26 |
| johnsom | I will try to do an OSC plugin release today. It will have the bug fix for l7rules. | 17:27 |
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| johnsom | Otherwise I still have some patches to help out with, then I will probably take a look at the SDK patches and see where that was left. I think we will need that for the horizon dashboard work | 17:28 |
| johnsom | Any other topics for today? | 17:28 |
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| rm_work | o/ | 17:29 |
| johnsom | Grin | 17:29 |
| sanfern | working neutron and octavia db sync issues | 17:29 |
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| johnsom | We are about done. | 17:29 |
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| johnsom | Cool, yeah that sync is unfortunate. One benefit of the new API/model | 17:30 |
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| johnsom | Ok, if there aren't any additional topics I will call it a meeting (at our new time). | 17:31 |
| johnsom | #endmeeting | 17:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 5 17:31:57 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2017/octavia.2017-07-05-17.06.html | 17:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2017/octavia.2017-07-05-17.06.txt | 17:32 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | anyone about for the storyboard meeting, or would folk rather skip this week? | 18:58 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I personally don't have anything to discuss and I know some folk are away | 18:58 |
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| fungi | i don't have anything urgent | 19:00 |
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| * SotK has nothing urgent either | 19:01 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | okay, meeting cancelled this week! | 19:01 |
| fungi | if i think of anything i want to ask, i'll just bother you in #storyboard as usual ;) | 19:02 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks, that sounds fine to me :) | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 5 21:00:42 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| joeljwright | hey | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
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| kota_ | o/ | 21:01 |
| clayg | weee | 21:01 |
| acoles | hello | 21:01 |
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| torgomatic | hi | 21:01 |
| notmyname | cschwede won't be able to make it this week | 21:01 |
| rledisez | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: around? | 21:02 |
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| tdasilva | hello | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | welcome everyone | 21:02 |
| notmyname | I think this will be a relatively quick meeting this week | 21:03 |
| notmyname | Link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | #topic upcoming events | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "upcoming events (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:03 | |
| notmyname | the PTG and the summit are coming up | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-ptg-queens | 21:03 |
| notmyname | that's the etherpad to start collecting topics for the PTG | 21:04 |
| notmyname | please register for the PTG and get your hotel soon so that you have a close place before they are all booked | 21:04 |
| tdasilva | is the conference hotel already full? | 21:05 |
| notmyname | I hope not! | 21:05 |
| notmyname | I just booked mine last week, so I'd guess there is still room | 21:05 |
| notmyname | https://www.openstack.org/ptg has all the PTG info | 21:05 |
| acoles | I booked ok last week, except the Saturday before was full | 21:06 |
| notmyname | the schedule for the PTG will be similar to the last one in atlanta: monday-tuesday will have a lot of "cross project" things to invest in. wednesday-friday will have rooms dedicated to the swift team | 21:06 |
| notmyname | please, *please* encourage all ops people to attend the PTG | 21:06 |
| jungleboyj | Just checking. There is room. | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | if you have to choose, choose the PTG over the sydney summit | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | the last one was good, I recommend it to others | 21:07 |
| notmyname | yeah, I expect it to be a very productive week | 21:07 |
| joeljwright | we need a mattoliverau lifesize cutout | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | well maybe not life sized.. you could at least make it slimming ;) | 21:08 |
| joeljwright | :D | 21:08 |
| notmyname | the other upcoming event, of course, is the summit in sydney. info at https://www.openstack.org/summit/ | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | the call for presentations for sydney is only open for about another week, so if you're interested in giving a talk, now's the time to submit it | 21:08 |
| notmyname | note that the sydney summit is only 3 days long | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | :( | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | 3 days is teh dumb | 21:09 |
| notmyname | while I expect to be going, I do not expect there to be much in the way of deep, productive swift team time (ops or otherwise) | 21:09 |
| notmyname | therefore, that is why I am encouraging all devs and ops to be at the PTG instead | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | except for visiting the beach house right? | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: ^ | 21:09 |
| notmyname | for most of the world, sydney is a *very* long and expensive trip for a 3 day conference that doesn't have any dedicated time for our team | 21:10 |
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| clayg | OMG the sessions is still empty :\ | 21:10 |
| clayg | it's like way out in september tho? | 21:10 |
| jungleboyj | mattoliverau: That is my plan. | 21:10 |
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| clayg | july, august - it seems like we have awhile yet | 21:11 |
| notmyname | clayg: for the PTG? | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | jungleboyj: ;) | 21:11 |
| notmyname | yeah | 21:11 |
| jungleboyj | mattoliverau: Bucket list check point, here I come. | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | any questions about the ptg or the summit? | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | all right. moving on, then | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | I wanted cschwede to share his follow-up for bug triage, but he's not able to make it today. he said he'd follow up via email | 21:13 |
| notmyname | #topic docs migration work | 21:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "docs migration work (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:13 | |
| notmyname | have you been following the mailing list threads about the docs migrations? | 21:13 |
| notmyname | the summary is that for various reasons, the stuff that is currently managed by the docs team will be moved into respective project repos | 21:14 |
| notmyname | and the work to do so is on each team (in large part because nearly the whole docs team got laid off at the same time mattoliverau did :-( ) | 21:14 |
| mattoliverau | :( | 21:15 |
| notmyname | I was traveling last week and holiday early this week, but i'm starting to look at that migration work now | 21:15 |
| jungleboyj | How about that 1.2 Gig Docs repo? | 21:15 |
| notmyname | heh, only 760MB ;-) | 21:15 |
| notmyname | so there's a couple of steps here | 21:15 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, after I did a build it ballooned and almost killed my VM. :-( | 21:15 |
| kota_ | sounds so huge docs | 21:15 |
| notmyname | first is that we'll have to import a bunch of stuff to the swift and swiftclient repos | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | *after* that, we can rearrange, de-dup, etc | 21:16 |
| jungleboyj | <little kids voice> So big! </little kids voice> | 21:16 |
| timburke | but that's across all projects, right? not 3/4 gig just for swift? | 21:16 |
| jungleboyj | timburke: Right. | 21:16 |
| notmyname | timburke: correct. it's just the source repo | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | jungleboyj: have you already started looking at the docs migration work for swift? | 21:16 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: isn't the first step to start using the new openstackdocs theme? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478402 | 21:16 |
| notmyname | cause if so... yay! | 21:16 |
| patchbot | patch 478402 - swift - Switch from oslosphinx to openstackdocstheme | 21:16 |
| kota_ | oic | 21:16 |
| jungleboyj | notmyname: No, I was supposed to do it for Cinder. | 21:17 |
| notmyname | jungleboyj: ah ok | 21:17 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: perhaps. I'm getting caught back up to it. seems like that would be a simple thing to do | 21:17 |
| jungleboyj | Panic'ed today when I started noticing that our links out on the web are broken. | 21:17 |
| notmyname | yeah, I heard that happened (all the 404s) | 21:17 |
| jungleboyj | notmyname: Depending on how long this takes for Cinder I could help out with Swift. | 21:17 |
| notmyname | jungleboyj: cool. ping me when you're done with cinder, and we'll see where the swift migration is | 21:18 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: i wish, I think it really breaks the look and feel of the docs, so I think we will have to do meaningless tweaks over time just for things to look nice again :/ | 21:18 |
| notmyname | jungleboyj: try to go "swiftly" on cinder | 21:18 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: :-( | 21:18 |
| jungleboyj | notmyname: Sure. Is anyone starting on it? | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | I am | 21:18 |
| jungleboyj | notmyname: Ok, let me know if you have questions. I have found, already, that the build fails when just copying things over. | 21:19 |
| notmyname | :-( | 21:19 |
| jungleboyj | They have also removed everything from the openstack-manuals tree. | 21:19 |
| * notmyname was hoping for a few days of work and be done with it | 21:19 | |
| clayg | tdasilva: what breaks? patch 478402 looks fine? | 21:19 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478402/ - swift - Switch from oslosphinx to openstackdocstheme | 21:19 |
| jungleboyj | So you need to go back to the 'before-migration' tag. | 21:19 |
| tdasilva | clayg: builds don't break, it's very subjective, I'm just used to the old looks, so I don't like how things look in the new theme | 21:20 |
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| tdasilva | clayg: compare: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/02/478402/5/check/gate-swift-docs-ubuntu-xenial/7563106//doc/build/html/associated_projects.html#associated-projects | 21:20 |
| clayg | oh... sorry I don't have opinions on that sort of thing | 21:20 |
| tdasilva | to https://docs.openstack.org/swift/latest/associated_projects.html#associated-projects | 21:20 |
| tdasilva | lol | 21:20 |
| clayg | yeah I mean both pages seems to have the same information :\ | 21:21 |
| clayg | I assumed since someone spent time on it they must think one is better than the other? | 21:21 |
| notmyname | we can work on the prettiness later | 21:21 |
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| clayg | maybe one has the denting wrong? | 21:22 |
| notmyname | yes, this work is not insignificant, and it is being forced upon us as a team by external forces | 21:22 |
| jungleboyj | notmyname: ++ | 21:22 |
| jungleboyj | I was planning to just get Cinder's stuff moved and then work on cleanup afterwards. | 21:22 |
| clayg | it sorta looks wrong on both tho - un-even | 21:22 |
| notmyname | but docs are important, so we need to do it | 21:22 |
| clayg | let's do it! | 21:22 |
| notmyname | I'll start, and hopefully finish, without needing to bring in too many other people. but I may need to ask for help, depending on how it goes | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | but also since this is a "do it or lose your docs" sort of situation, I expect the eventual reviews to be cursory "yup, content moved, +2/+A | 21:23 |
| notmyname | so don't freak out when a lot of new stuff gets added :-) | 21:24 |
| jungleboyj | notmyname: Let me know if I can help. I am hoping to get a couple of patches up yet today for Cinder. I am traveling tomorrow but will probably spend Friday and the weekend working on the rest. | 21:24 |
| acoles | tdasilva: did someone figure we're all getting older and increase the font size accordingly? ;) | 21:24 |
| notmyname | jungleboyj: thanks | 21:24 |
| tdasilva | acoles: hehe | 21:24 |
| notmyname | acoles: yes! | 21:24 |
| clayg | WHO MOVED MY CHEESE | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | ok, any questions about the docs migrations? | 21:24 |
| * jungleboyj shakes my head | 21:24 | |
| jungleboyj | I refuse to get older! | 21:24 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on | 21:25 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:25 |
| clayg | toward the cheese | 21:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:25 | |
| notmyname | I expect there to be swift and swiftclient releases in the next few weeks | 21:25 |
| notmyname | jFYI | 21:25 |
| tdasilva | we had a libec/pyeclib release last week | 21:26 |
| notmyname | I'll keep the priority reviews page updated | 21:26 |
| clayg | why is patch 470158 crossed off on priority reviews? | 21:26 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: nice! | 21:26 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/470158/ - swift - Write-affinity aware object deletion | 21:26 |
| tdasilva | working now to get rpm out for it | 21:26 |
| notmyname | clayg: good question. I think christian did that. looks like a typo | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | I don't know. I need to go loop back around and review that | 21:26 |
| tdasilva | is onovy building .deb packages? | 21:26 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: do you know how len(local_primary_nodes) is calculated? | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | now uncrossed | 21:27 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, using the is_local method | 21:27 |
| mattoliverau | and looping thorugh the primaries.. | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: anything we need to know about your patch 340526 vs zaitcev's PUT+POST? | 21:27 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340526/ - swift - Unify Putter and MIMEPutter into a single class. | 21:27 |
| clayg | ahh... so it *is* per part - that's EPIC | 21:28 |
| mattoliverau | it kinda does it when it needs it.. I wonder if that can be cleaned up to be in one place. | 21:28 |
| kong | morning, guys | 21:28 |
| torgomatic | nothing to know yet; we'll see how things shake out | 21:28 |
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| torgomatic | I had some thoughts around using different verbs for versioning instead of putting it in the path, but no code yet | 21:28 |
| clayg | kong: I think mattoliverau is telling us we can probably merge patch 470158 - so that's exciting! | 21:28 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/470158/ - swift - Write-affinity aware object deletion | 21:28 |
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| torgomatic | that way, we get a 405 when the object server is old, and if we need v3 or v4 or whatever, we just have to make up and implement some new verbs | 21:29 |
| kong | clayg: hooray! | 21:29 |
| mattoliverau | I'll go give it another whirl today, and if all good I'll give it the second +2 ;) | 21:29 |
| torgomatic | but like I said, no code yet | 21:29 |
| mattoliverau | kong: ^ | 21:29 |
| kong | mattoliverau: thanks, feel free to ping me at irc if you have any question | 21:30 |
| mattoliverau | kong: cool, we share a similar timezone, so that works well ;) | 21:30 |
| kong | ataraday_: i see ;) | 21:30 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: seems a little weird to invent new verbs all the time instead of actually, you know, a protocol version number | 21:30 |
| kong | mattoliverau: i see :) | 21:30 |
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| clayg | kota_: have you been following kevin & tushar on the isa-l bug? | 21:31 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: true, but this lets you do it on an operation-by-operation basis... you can come up with a new bit of stuff for object PUT, then later on do something special for GET, but you don't have to tie them together with a single version number | 21:31 |
| notmyname | kong: you are very welcome here. you aren't disturbing anything. this meeting is for you :-) | 21:32 |
| clayg | acoles: kota_: do we have more exposure on this isa-l rs_vand >= 5 parity thing or not? | 21:32 |
| kota_ | clayg: is that update recently in github issue traacker? | 21:32 |
| clayg | kota_: yeah pretty sure | 21:32 |
| notmyname | clayg: ah, right. thanks for bringing that up | 21:32 |
| kota_ | i looked at it briefly but i don't think kevin and tuchar following that | 21:32 |
| * kong is reading what you are saying carefully to pretend he understands everything | 21:33 | |
| clayg | kota_: I also want to get some details on urgency of lp bug #1701472 | 21:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1701472 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "ring builder can converge dead state in rebalance" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1701472 | 21:33 |
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| kota_ | clayg: yeah, i'm still working on how it works | 21:33 |
| kota_ | sorry i have been sick in the primary half of this week. | 21:34 |
| notmyname | clayg: kota_: how should we proceed on the isa-l bug? kota_ can you ping them? do we need to ignore it and let intel deal with it (that seems bad)? | 21:34 |
| clayg | this is the EC bad frag decode bug https://github.com/01org/isa-l/issues/10 | 21:34 |
| clayg | the heart of the issue that caused us to refuse to start swift if some isa-l policies were not deprecated | 21:34 |
| notmyname | kong: please don't hesitate to ask for clarity. IRC meetings are the hardest time for non-english speakers because everything goes by so quickly | 21:34 |
| kong | notmyname: sure, i will. btw, for some people who don't know, we (catalyst cloud in New Zealand) have been using Swift at production since last year. | 21:35 |
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| kong | we are keen to help fix bug :-) | 21:36 |
| clayg | wooo! wtg kong !!!! | 21:36 |
| mattoliverau | kong: oh your with catalyst! | 21:36 |
| kong | mattoliverau: yeah | 21:36 |
| notmyname | kong: :-) | 21:36 |
| mattoliverau | kong: say hi to bruno ;) | 21:36 |
| kong | mattoliverau: hah, i promise i will | 21:37 |
| tdasilva | kong: https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift there's only 500 of them :D | 21:37 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:37 |
| mattoliverau | kong: also tell him to hire me ;P | 21:37 |
| kong | i will try my best to figure out what i can help there | 21:37 |
| kong | mattoliverau: hah, actually, we were talking about that in yesterday's meeting | 21:37 |
| tdasilva | kong: just kidding, all help is welcome and thanks for working on patch 470158, I remember Bruno saying that's very important to your customers | 21:38 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/470158/ - swift - Write-affinity aware object deletion | 21:38 |
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| kong | tdasilva: yes it is. after merging, i will backport it to our internal repo | 21:38 |
| kong | we are using a old version of swift | 21:38 |
| clayg | kota_: so but the ring rebalanace bug - just to understand the priority ... it is annoying ... but do you have a workaround? | 21:39 |
| tdasilva | kong: would be great to see someone from catalyst at the PTG | 21:39 |
| clayg | kota_: like just increase overload or add a node or something? i guess you can just use the any/all trick get the rings you want and ship it out - out-of-band change only! | 21:39 |
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| * kong will ask Bruno to arrange some money for PTG :) | 21:39 | |
| acoles | clayg: https://github.com/01org/isa-l/issues/10 seems to be saying that there may be an issue with 4 parity frags if num data frags > 21 | 21:40 |
| notmyname | kong: great! thanks | 21:40 |
| notmyname | acoles: that's what scares me | 21:40 |
| kota_ | for rebalance, it's not super high priority but working soon is better because it looks like making dead lock state to rebalance on some cases | 21:40 |
| clayg | kota_: I only ask because the all/any change isn't obvious to me - it seems the code did intend to do what it was saying - like it wasn't just a typo - i'm freaked out that more tests don't rub up against that condititonal? | 21:40 |
| kota_ | i notice some ways to mitergate the dead lock by hand operation though | 21:40 |
| kota_ | clayg: yup, changing overload or weight could help to rebalance work | 21:41 |
| clayg | kota_: ok, tagged, torgomatic is working around lp bug #1697543 | 21:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1697543 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Ring refuses to save even when 100% parts move" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1697543 | 21:42 |
| kota_ | clayg: ok, current code is in your intention, I need to rethink the algorism because I WAS not sure if it was intended or not | 21:42 |
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| tdasilva | acoles: not sure this is related, but found this: https://github.com/ceph/ceph/blob/master/src/erasure-code/isa/README#L23 and this https://github.com/ceph/ceph/blob/master/src/erasure-code/isa/ErasureCodeIsa.cc#L381 | 21:42 |
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| clayg | kota_: which is definitely a different issue - but christian pointed out that the associated change doesn't fix the ring/script in the bug - so maybe rubbing some braincells together will help | 21:43 |
| kota_ | clayg: kk, thx. I will look at. | 21:44 |
| clayg | kota_: yeah... it was there to prevent picking up parts from one disk and putting them back on the same server | 21:44 |
| clayg | kota_: but... if the disks on the server are already not balanced!!! :\ | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: should we add those same constraints to libec? | 21:45 |
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| kota_ | clayg: yeah, and my simulation with current code, in some case, the gatherd parts seems to go back to same servers as reassignment. | 21:45 |
| kota_ | which I reported in the lp bug. | 21:45 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: i'm not sure, but I definetely found interesting that they will just change the k for the user, don't allow at all | 21:46 |
| clayg | tdasilva: acoles: notmyname: yeah I think the rules outlined in the bug report are acctually correct | 21:46 |
| acoles | tdasilva: thanks. so that also shows cap of 32 data frags | 21:46 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: yes. "interesting" | 21:46 |
| notmyname | clayg: the rules listed on https://github.com/01org/isa-l/issues/10#issuecomment-310944022 ? | 21:47 |
| clayg | yeah | 21:47 |
| notmyname | maybe our answer then is to user isa-l v2.19 then | 21:48 |
| tdasilva | last comment is funny...there's no source, i just know it! | 21:48 |
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| clayg | i mean... that's probably a good idea - but also probably orthogonal - unless they expose a "check if these params are cool" sorta method? | 21:49 |
| clayg | brute force | 21:49 |
| clayg | but that last one is interesting - it makes it sound like a 7+6 is ok! | 21:49 |
| notmyname | are there any other topics to bring up this week in the meeting? does anyone else have something to discuss? | 21:49 |
| * kota_ need to look at the k, m conditions on https://github.com/01org/isa-l/issues/10#issuecomment-310944022 to clarify | 21:51 | |
| notmyname | I think we're done, then | 21:51 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks. | 21:51 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming, everyone. thanks for working on swift | 21:51 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 5 21:51:54 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-07-05-21.00.html | 21:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-07-05-21.00.txt | 21:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-07-05-21.00.log.html | 21:51 |
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