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| gongysh | hi | 05:30 |
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| gongysh | #startmeeting tacker | 05:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 17 05:30:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 05:30 |
| gongysh | helo guys | 05:30 |
| gongysh | #topci roll call | 05:30 |
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| gongysh | hi dkushwaha | 05:31 |
| dkushwaha | o/ | 05:31 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, hi | 05:31 |
| sridhar_ram | o/ | 05:31 |
| gongysh | any other guys here for tacker meeting? | 05:31 |
| Kanagaraj | o/ | 05:31 |
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| YanXing_an | o/ | 05:32 |
| janki | o/ | 05:32 |
| trinaths | o/ | 05:32 |
| gongysh | ok, 7 | 05:33 |
| gongysh | #topic summit info | 05:33 |
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| gongysh | https://www.openstack.org/videos/search?search=tacker | 05:33 |
| gongysh | last week, I am on the summit. delivered the tacker on boarding forum | 05:34 |
| gongysh | there are about 10 people in the room. | 05:34 |
| gongysh | two of them came from korean as students. | 05:34 |
| trinaths | ok | 05:35 |
| gongysh | they talked about the vnffg's way to select vnf according to member vnfd. | 05:35 |
| sridhar_ram | any etherpad used to document ? any operators attended ? | 05:35 |
| gongysh | currently, we are selecting vnf randomly, they are thinking about an algorithm according to some metrics. | 05:36 |
| sridhar_ram | cool | 05:36 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, no, it is just an onboarding forum. | 05:36 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: okay | 05:36 |
| gongysh | I presented a ppt and show the system. | 05:36 |
| trinaths | gongysh: what is the basic idea they are thinking to .. algorithmic approach ? | 05:36 |
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| gongysh | trinaths, for example, the cpu-utils of vnf. | 05:37 |
| gongysh | vnffg to select the least loaden vnf to do the chaining. | 05:37 |
| trinaths | gongysh: then what is the use of dynamic scaling ? | 05:37 |
| gongysh | trinaths, that is different case. | 05:38 |
| trinaths | ok | 05:38 |
| gongysh | other two sessions related to tacker is one from china mobile | 05:38 |
| gongysh | china mobile is doing the vnf stuff | 05:38 |
| sridhar_ram | china mobile using tacker is a wonderful news !! | 05:38 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, they are evaluating tacker. | 05:39 |
| trinaths | we have china-mobile guys in tacker team too | 05:39 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, can you share the ppt? | 05:39 |
| gongysh | if the evaluation comes to a good result, they will devote more resources. | 05:39 |
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| sridhar_ram | we sure can prioritize any asks from them .. | 05:40 |
| gongysh | so we tacker team have to oil up our progress | 05:40 |
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| sridhar_ram | which the other session on tacker ? I can only see the chinamobile one | 05:40 |
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| trinaths | +1 | 05:40 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, I think vnf, vnf configure is the big part for the china mobile. | 05:40 |
| gongysh | other is from senlin team. | 05:41 |
| gongysh | scaling. | 05:41 |
| sridhar_ram | i see .. do you have a link? | 05:41 |
| gongysh | there is a patch hanging there. | 05:41 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, https://www.openstack.org/videos/search?search=tacker | 05:41 |
| gongysh | so this is the part for summit briefing. | 05:42 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, I will upload it and share the url to team. | 05:42 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, thanks | 05:42 |
| gongysh | one more information from community is the project management. | 05:43 |
| gongysh | I think community is thinking about the way of managing the projects that are not active. | 05:43 |
| trinaths | oh! | 05:44 |
| gongysh | they will come up a way to remove inactive projects. | 05:44 |
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| trinaths | we are active ! | 05:44 |
| gongysh | so please make our project active | 05:44 |
| gongysh | that leads to our activity stats topic. | 05:44 |
| gongysh | #topic project activity stats | 05:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "project activity stats (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:44 | |
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| gongysh | #link http://stackalytics.com/?metric=marks&module=tacker-group | 05:45 |
| gongysh | trinaths, thanks for the review effort. | 05:45 |
| trinaths | happy to help tacker | 05:45 |
| gongysh | our review comes to about 40 across the openstack projects | 05:46 |
| gongysh | but commit data lacks behind. | 05:46 |
| gongysh | about review I have a proposal. | 05:47 |
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| gongysh | I want to say: | 05:47 |
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| gongysh | core member can merge feature code, (not the refactor code.) once there is a +2 and have tested and there is no -1 after 7 days. | 05:48 |
| trinaths | where to find this '40' count across openstack projects? how we move the project forward | 05:49 |
| trinaths | gongysh: good idea. its it a self merge ? | 05:49 |
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| gongysh | not self merge. | 05:50 |
| trinaths | ok | 05:50 |
| gongysh | currently, there are many complaints to say openstack patches get merged too slow. | 05:50 |
| sridhar_ram | in essence, you are proposing one +2 rule instead of two +2s ? | 05:51 |
| gongysh | some projects even quit the big tent due to the long process. | 05:51 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, right. | 05:51 |
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| gongysh | but +2 and the test. | 05:51 |
| sridhar_ram | given where we are in the project .. i think it is a reasonable move.. i support | 05:52 |
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| sridhar_ram | .. but self merge is absolute NO | 05:52 |
| gongysh | and wait one week in case other cores find problem. | 05:52 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, the patch must not from core himself. | 05:53 |
| gongysh | must not be from core himself. | 05:53 |
| gongysh | include co-author. | 05:53 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, Kanagaraj , any opinions? | 05:53 |
| trinaths | gongysh: there it requires commitment between the author and reviewer. | 05:53 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, IMO it is a nice approach, if it tested and pending for more than a week | 05:54 |
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| gongysh | Kanagaraj, your idea? | 05:54 |
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| gongysh | #agreed core can merge codes after one +2 with passed test and pending for more than 7 days. | 05:56 |
| Kanagaraj | gongysh: self merge may not be the case. otherwise fine. good to go | 05:56 |
| gongysh | #topic features and bp | 05:56 |
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| gongysh | from me, there is the vim monitoring bp | 05:57 |
| gongysh | I got comments from sridhar_ram | 05:57 |
| gongysh | and update it. | 05:57 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, thanks for the comments. | 05:57 |
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| gongysh | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/20/459520/9/check/gate-tacker-specs-docs-ubuntu-xenial/53098d4//doc/build/html/specs/pike/mistral_vim_monitor.html | 05:58 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: sure .. i would encourage other cores to review this spec .. it proposes two significant additions - tacker-conductor component and gRPC | 05:58 |
| gongysh | this is the rendered spec doc. | 05:58 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, I have removed the gRPC | 05:58 |
| gongysh | to speed up the approval process. | 05:59 |
| gongysh | but tacker-conductor, we have to add it. | 05:59 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: ah, i haven't checked the latest version .. so, sticking with oslo.messaging ? | 05:59 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, yes. | 05:59 |
| trinaths | tacker-conductor == nova-conductor ? | 06:00 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: good idea | 06:00 |
| gongysh | since mistral is part of our system, which probably introduced the rabbitmq, we can use it. | 06:00 |
| sridhar_ram | make sense | 06:00 |
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| gongysh | so please review the new spec version. | 06:01 |
| gongysh | I will later write other spec for our vnf monitor policy. | 06:01 |
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| gongysh | if someone wants to implement the vim monitor spec, welcomed. | 06:02 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, I can join. | 06:03 |
| gongysh | pike-2 is on june 5. | 06:03 |
| gongysh | https://launchpad.net/tacker/+milestone/pike-2 | 06:03 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, you are on ns bp. | 06:03 |
| gongysh | for the official release plan. before that day, we have to merge all the bp specs in the pike cycle. | 06:04 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, yup. Working on that. | 06:04 |
| gongysh | pike-3 is the deadline for code freeze. | 06:04 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, it is your turn to talk about NS bp | 06:05 |
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| dkushwaha | In vnffg-ns bp, I got comment from gongysh. | 06:05 |
| trinaths | gongysh: is this bug a valid one ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1577354 | 06:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1577354 in tacker "No output when tacker vnf-list, vnfd-list is empty" [Low,Triaged] - Assigned to Trinath Somanchi (trinath-somanchi-m) | 06:06 |
| dkushwaha | I am referring https://github.com/openstack/tacker/blob/master/samples/tosca-templates/vnffgd/tosca-vnffgd-sample.yaml for this | 06:06 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, so? | 06:07 |
| gongysh | trinaths, we will talk about bug later. | 06:07 |
| dkushwaha | Currently looking for the way to expose CP as per Tim comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448109/3/specs/pike/vnffg-ns.rst@153 | 06:07 |
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| dkushwaha | I am planing to update the spec by today | 06:08 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, ok | 06:08 |
| gongysh | thanks | 06:08 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, make it tight. ping me if need my comments. | 06:09 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, sure, I will gear up now | 06:09 |
| gongysh | barbican spec is merged, YanXing_an is working on patch at bug smash days in china. | 06:09 |
| YanXing_an | yes. I will rapidly response to the review comments these days. | 06:10 |
| gongysh | so since it is an event, our core members should help this bug fix race. | 06:10 |
| YanXing_an | Please help to review it. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465080/ | 06:11 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, remove the WIP if ready for review. | 06:11 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, ok | 06:11 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, hi | 06:11 |
| tung_doan | YanXing_an: Do we need Barbican client in local conf. file? | 06:12 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: Hi all :) | 06:12 |
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| gongysh | #topic bugs | 06:12 |
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| gongysh | trinaths, do you have any bugs to talk about? | 06:13 |
| trinaths | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1577354 | 06:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1577354 in tacker "No output when tacker vnf-list, vnfd-list is empty" [Low,Triaged] - Assigned to Trinath Somanchi (trinath-somanchi-m) | 06:13 |
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| gongysh | tung_doan, the E2E service? | 06:13 |
| trinaths | nova client give an empty table putput, other projects give an empty putput | 06:13 |
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| YanXing_an | tung_doan: we need barbicanclient installed | 06:13 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: After finish my bug lists i will move forward to this bp | 06:14 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462690/ | 06:14 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, we are trying to finish spec before June 5. | 06:15 |
| tung_doan | that 's serious bug i think | 06:15 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: got it | 06:15 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, 462690, then fix it. | 06:15 |
| tung_doan | YanXing_an: in that case, we need to update dependency in https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/project-config | 06:16 |
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| gongysh | we also need someone to track senlin scale patch | 06:17 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449471/ | 06:17 |
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| tung_doan | YanXing_an: similar to Gongysh's patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385472/ | 06:17 |
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| gongysh | #topic meeting time rescheduling | 06:18 |
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| trinaths | gongysh: my bug ? | 06:18 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, i have to discuss one more bug | 06:18 |
| gongysh | I want to make tacker meeting one hour earlier so that USA team member can join us. | 06:19 |
| gongysh | or make them feel better or work better on the meeting. | 06:19 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: totally agree | 06:19 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, +1 | 06:20 |
| sridhar_ram | +100 | 06:20 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, :D | 06:20 |
| trinaths | +1 | 06:20 |
| janki | +1 | 06:20 |
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| gongysh | YanXing_an, it means we have to have the meeting with our launch box. | 06:20 |
| trinaths | gongysh: you can have yummy meetings | 06:21 |
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| sridhar_ram | gongysh: thanks for proposing this .. it helps a LOT | 06:21 |
| gongysh | #agreed make the tacker meeting one hour earlier. | 06:21 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, I have to look if there is a time lot on this channel. | 06:22 |
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| gongysh | or other meeting channel. | 06:22 |
| sridhar_ram | sure | 06:22 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, ok. we need have launch more earlier and faster | 06:22 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, what is the process to change the meeting time? | 06:22 |
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| sridhar_ram | you need a patchset to irc-meetings repo | 06:22 |
| sridhar_ram | will send a link | 06:23 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, ok. thanks | 06:23 |
| gongysh | #topic open discuss | 06:23 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, your one more bug please. | 06:23 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, sridhar_ram In the current code, anyone can delete a VNF even it is the part of an active NS, it needs to be fixed. I will log a bug for this. Currently I was working on it and want to know your opinion for the right approach to fix it. | 06:23 |
| gongysh | VNF event? | 06:24 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh, "vnf" | 06:24 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406390/ for meeting time change | 06:24 |
| trinaths | bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1577354 | 06:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1577354 in tacker "No output when tacker vnf-list, vnfd-list is empty" [Low,Triaged] - Assigned to Trinath Somanchi (trinath-somanchi-m) | 06:24 |
| gongysh | just make the EVENT delete as admin priviledge on tacker's policy.json. | 06:24 |
| gongysh | trinaths, no need to change it. 1577354 | 06:25 |
| YanXing_an | if a vnf is used by NS or vnffg, it should not be deleted? | 06:25 |
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| dkushwaha | YanXing_an, right | 06:25 |
| sridhar_ram | it is not about privilege .. but NS still owns that VNF and it shdn't be deleteed underneath | 06:25 |
| tung_doan | dkushwaha: I met this issue. I think VNFs should be locked when NS are still active | 06:25 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, right, we should check the logic when we remove a vnf. | 06:25 |
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| trinaths | gongysh: thank you, I will close this bug. | 06:25 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, I mistook 'delete a VNF even' as 'delete a VNF event' | 06:27 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh, sridhar_ram should we add ns_id column in vnf table ? | 06:27 |
| Kanagaraj | YanXing_an: you may want to enable the casecade delete mode in db schema and i believe vnf can't be deleted until its reference entities get deleted | 06:27 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: no | 06:27 |
| YanXing_an | in vnffg/ns db, vnf id/name is saved in json text | 06:27 |
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| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, gongysh tung_doan any suggestion on this ? | 06:28 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: we are better off with an func call across plugin boundary | 06:28 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: sridhar_ram: I really hope to have ns_id column in vnf table | 06:28 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, please talk it at bug page | 06:28 |
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| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: just imagine how we heal vnfs inside NSs | 06:29 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: it will break modularity .. let's avoid | 06:29 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, what about vnf refered by the vnffg | 06:29 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, sure, I will raise a bug for this | 06:29 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, we have to fix it in this or that way. | 06:29 |
| sridhar_ram | VNFM / vnf shouldn't know it is participating in a NS .. | 06:29 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: if ping failed, we need to know which ns VNFs point to | 06:29 |
| gongysh | #endmeeting | 06:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 17 06:30:02 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-05-17-05.30.html | 06:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-05-17-05.30.txt | 06:30 |
| gongysh | thanks guys. | 06:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-05-17-05.30.log.html | 06:30 |
| gongysh | let back to tacker channel | 06:30 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex karthikp_ patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor lhx_ baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell watanabe.isao,tommylikehu mdovgal ildikov wxy | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 17 16:00:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | viks ketonne abishop s | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| geguileo | hi! | 16:00 |
| tommylikehu | hi | 16:00 |
| lhx_ | hi | 16:00 |
| rawanh | Hi ! | 16:00 |
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| hemna | mep | 16:00 |
| arnewiebalck_ | hi | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:00 |
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| DuncanT | Hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT! :) | 16:01 |
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| Swanson | Hello. | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | It's DuncanT !!! | 16:01 |
| tommylikehu | hey DuncanT :) | 16:01 |
| abishop | o/ | 16:01 |
| * DuncanT waves | 16:01 | |
| * smcginnis imagines DuncanT walking into the Cheers bar | 16:01 | |
| DuncanT | :-) | 16:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:01 |
| Swanson | I thought DuncanT was dead. | 16:01 |
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| * mdbooth can't imagine the Cheers bar serves anything DuncanT would drink? | 16:01 | |
| scottda | hi | 16:02 |
| patrickeast | o/ | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | mdbooth: It's a real bar now, isn't it? | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | mdbooth: I shall have to go check | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | mdbooth: Ah, he isn't that picky when he is thirsty. ;-) | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: It's actually in Boston. | 16:02 |
| mdbooth | DuncanT: +1 ;) | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | But I heard the inside isn't anything like the TV show. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Anyway... | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:03 | |
| xyang | smcginnis: 80+/90+ degrees here in Boston this week now that the summit is over:) | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: That was what I heard too. :-( | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | xyang: Wow! | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | I've seen some progress being made for some of the new drivers. | 16:03 |
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| xyang | smcginnis: switching from heat to AC:) | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Let's give them some attention before the last couple days before the P-2 milestone. | 16:03 |
| ildikov | xyang: can confirm that, weather got awesome by the time I flew out... :/ :) | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Too hot for me. :) | 16:04 |
| xyang | ildikov :) | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | Also wanted to bring up there is an intermittent issue with py27 tests completely falling apart. | 16:04 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Some work being done, mostly by eharney, to try to troubleshoot that. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | But if anyone has any ideas, we could use the help. | 16:05 |
| tommylikehu | smcginnis: would like to have a try | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: 90 degrees is awesome? | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu: That would be great. And very appreciated. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | I'd love to know what's going on there and get rid of those failures. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Reproducible DB deadlocks when doing parallel deletions | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reproducible DB deadlocks when doing parallel deletions (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:05 | |
| hemna | rm -rf tests | 16:06 |
| hemna | fixed! | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | arnewiebalck_: Hey | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | hemna: ;) | 16:06 |
| arnewiebalck_ | smcginnis: hi | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1685818 | 16:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1685818 in Cinder "Parallel deletion triggers DB deadlocks " [Medium,Triaged] | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1613947 | 16:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1613947 in Cinder "Cinder Volume deadlock in quota_reserve and reservation_commit" [Medium,New] | 16:06 |
| arnewiebalck_ | as mentioned during the summit, help with this prob would be appreciated | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Speaking of failures I'd love to see go away. :) | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | I still can't get it to happen with LVM. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | arnewiebalck_: You've seen this with ceph, right? | 16:07 |
| arnewiebalck_ | smcginnis: yes | 16:07 |
| hemna | can we reproduce this with the fake driver ? | 16:07 |
| arnewiebalck_ | smcginnis: couldn’t reproduce on devstack | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | arnewiebalck_: Oh really? Devstack with ceph? | 16:07 |
| arnewiebalck_ | smcginnis: on devstack with LVM | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | Ah, OK. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | I brought this up at my Scrum today and have opened a work item to look at this on our Ceph cluster. | 16:07 |
| arnewiebalck_ | smcginnis: we can hook a devstack to ceph | 16:08 |
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| arnewiebalck_ | but since it is 100% reproducible on our test instance (and in prod) ... | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | For folks with access to other external backends, would be great if you could try and see if you can hit this. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Repro steps in the bug report. | 16:08 |
| arnewiebalck_ | some other folks apparently see the saem issue as the bug got some “upvotes” :) | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis arnewiebalck_ So, I am hoping I can recreate it and then we can work together on debugging. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | My guess is the external communication changes the timing, but just a hunch. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: ++ | 16:08 |
| hemna | can we reproduce this with the fake driver ? | 16:08 |
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| arnewiebalck_ | jungleboyj: that’d be great | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:09 |
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| arnewiebalck_ | any suggestions what I could try to gather more information | 16:09 |
| arnewiebalck_ | I know which lock it is | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | hemna: That could make it a lot easier to troubleshoot. Haven't tried that. | 16:09 |
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| arnewiebalck_ | as when I remove it, the problem goes away :-D | 16:09 |
| hemna | since this isn't really related to the driver, but a timing issue | 16:10 |
| hemna | fake driver would just noop | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | I'm guessing it's a timing issue, but we need more data I think. | 16:10 |
| rawanh | Hey guys, I'm wondering if you have plans for NVME in the coming pike release ? | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | rawanh: No one has submitted a driver, if that's what you're asking. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | arnewiebalck_: OK, anything else on this? Or just putting up the "help wanted" sign? | 16:11 |
| xyang | e0ne: any comment? | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | rawanh: I have gotten questions about that but no one has proposed to add it. | 16:12 |
| xyang | e0ne: I thought you and Michal did some work on that | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | We're almost to open discussion. Let's stay on topic. | 16:12 |
| hemna | rawanh, not sure what cinder has to do to support NVME | 16:12 |
| e0ne | xyang, rawanh: IMO, it will be done not earlier than Q :( | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Sorry. | 16:12 |
| hemna | it's just a local attached storage. you could use lvm on it. | 16:12 |
| arnewiebalck_ | smcginnis: no, that’s basically it, I simply don’t know the quota/reservation part ofthe ode, so debugging is slow | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Do we have anyone who knows that code well? | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | arnewiebalck_: OK, thanks again for sticking with this. It's appreciated. | 16:12 |
| xyang | e0ne: I thought you have a driver somewhere already? | 16:12 |
| e0ne | hemna: there was an idea to use nmve over fabric | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Not sure, but if they do, please step up. :) | 16:13 |
| e0ne | xyang: we stucked with snapshots impl and CI | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | We're almost to open discussion. Let's stay on topic please. | 16:13 |
| xyang | e0ne: ok | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | #topic Bug smash event taking place | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Pike-Suzhou-Bug-List Bug list | 16:13 |
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| arnewiebalck_ | so no suggestions what to I could try to get further to the bottom of this? | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | arnewiebalck_: Hoping others (Jay?) can repro and help troubleshoot. | 16:14 |
| rawanh | as @e0ne commited before in your cinder, nova and os-brick, but you've used spdk with it, is there a reason why it hasn't been merged to openstack then ? | 16:14 |
| hemna | e0ne, nvme over fabric kinda doesn't make sense. the entire purpose of nvme is fast local attached storage. | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | Seriously? | 16:14 |
| arnewiebalck_ | smcginnis: ok, thx | 16:14 |
| * jungleboyj is laughing | 16:14 | |
| * smcginnis starts tapping his kickban stick on the table... | 16:15 | |
| smcginnis | :P | 16:15 |
| xyang | smcginnis: are you traveling to Suzhou this time? | 16:15 |
| e0ne | hemna: some customers want use it with over RDMA | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | No, couldnt' go this time. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | arnewiebalck_ smcginnis Right. I will try to fit that in soon. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | It started yesterday. | 16:15 |
| arnewiebalck_ | jungleboyj: great, thx | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | So there are a team of devs actively working on bugs and looking for feedback. | 16:15 |
| hemna | e0ne, couldn't you do it with just LIO exporting over FC? | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | arnewiebalck_: Welcome! | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | So please help out with reviews and and suggestions if you can. | 16:15 |
| hemna | e0ne, anyway side convo. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | That etherpad has what they are currently looking at. | 16:16 |
| e0ne | hemna: I'm not sure what is faster | 16:16 |
| tommylikehu | smcginnis: I can do some help when you guys are sleeping | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | If we can help move any of those along, I'm sure it will be very much appreciated. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu: Just don't forget to sleep too. ;) | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Link? | 16:16 |
| tommylikehu | smcginnis: :) | 16:16 |
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| tommylikehu | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Pike-Suzhou-Bug-List | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Etherpad linked above between all the NVMe comments. :) | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Thank you. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | OK, the moment you've all been waiting for... | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 16:17 |
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| tommylikehu | lol | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | NVMe, NVMe, NVMe!! | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Oh, there it is. Missed that with all the excitement. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | Nothing now? I'm disappointed. :D | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | What should we talk about now? | 16:18 |
| hemna | versions | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Oh yeah, your PSA> :) | 16:18 |
| hemna | heh | 16:18 |
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| hemna | Ok so for driver developers, It's a good idea when you make major changes, new features available in your drivers, to make sure you bump the VERSION string in your driver. | 16:19 |
| hemna | that version string is dumped into the cinder log file at startup | 16:19 |
| hemna | that is used by folks later on to debug issues in deployments. | 16:19 |
| hemna | and can be put into bug reports to help driver maintainers know what the codebase is of the driver. | 16:20 |
| lhx_ | http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/job/periodic-cinder-py27-with-oslo-master | 16:20 |
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| lhx_ | there are some error tests | 16:20 |
| lhx_ | but I couldn't find the reason | 16:20 |
| hemna | so I've been -1'ing reviews on drivers that don't update their VERSION string and add a comment block, when new features are added and major refactors are done. | 16:20 |
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| tommylikehu | hemna: any guideline or links ? | 16:20 |
| lhx_ | someone help? | 16:20 |
| hemna | tommylikehu, no, not really. | 16:20 |
| hemna | maybe add something to the wiki ? | 16:20 |
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| tommylikehu | hemna: that would be great :) | 16:21 |
| hemna | it's just good s/w development practice to version your code for support later. that's all really. | 16:21 |
| sivn_ | Can we talk about the new driver "veritas access driver" https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409914/ | 16:21 |
| hemna | remember, most deployments of openstack are on very old releases. | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Adding a comment to the wiki could help. | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Even for fairly minor bug fixes it is worth bumping the version... | 16:21 |
| hemna | DuncanT, yup. | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | hemna: It's one way to see if a fix really worked | 16:22 |
| hemna | if you take a look at the 3PAR driver, that's what I've done over the years. | 16:22 |
| Swanson | I'm going to bump it on every push. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: ++ | 16:22 |
| Swanson | Major only. | 16:22 |
| tommylikehu | hemna: thanks | 16:22 |
| hemna | it makes it so much easier for people trying to deal with support issues. | 16:22 |
| hemna | https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/drivers/hpe/hpe_3par_fc.py#L66-L113 | 16:22 |
| hemna | for example. | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | Gets nicely formatted in the output too if you format it right: https://docs.openstack.org/developer/cinder/drivers.html | 16:23 |
| hemna | oh nice | 16:23 |
| hemna | https://docs.openstack.org/developer/cinder/drivers.html#hpe3parfcdriver | 16:23 |
| lhx_ | smcginnis, have you seen this?http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/job/periodic-cinder-py27-with-oslo-master | 16:24 |
| tommylikehu | that's clear, just a feature history and announce the current version | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | lhx_: Yes, see beginning of meeting. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | For reviewers, please enforce the versioning. | 16:25 |
| hemna | anyway, just my PSA. If anyone objects to me -1 reviews for not bumping versions for new features/major changes.....speak now :) | 16:25 |
| hemna | times up. | 16:25 |
| hemna | :P | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | @! | 16:25 |
| pewp | jungleboyj (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ | 16:25 |
| hemna | @!h | 16:25 |
| pewp | hemna (/ .□.) ︵╰(゜Д゜)╯︵ /(.□. ) | 16:25 |
| Swanson | First they came for the micro versions and I said nothing. Now they've come for the versions. | 16:25 |
| lhx_ | smcginnis, you discussed too quick to catch it, lol | 16:25 |
| hemna | smcginnis, ok I'm done. | 16:25 |
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| xyang | hemna: ok, I have a comment here:) | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | lhx_: If you have any ideas there, we could use it. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | lhx_: Just at the point of trying to figure out what's even happing there. | 16:26 |
| xyang | hemna: we initially tried to bump version on every change, but ran into so many merge conflicts that it was almost impossible to merge all patches. So the compromise now is to only bump version once but with description of the change for major update | 16:27 |
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| xyang | hemna: I can show you how it look like later and see if it looks ok to you | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | Ahhhh Shots Fired, Shots Fired! | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | xyang: Stop changing your driver so much! | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | xyang: That's because Helen puts up 5 different conflicting patches at the same time. :D | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:28 |
| hemna | xyang we had that issue for a while too, but found that in the long run it was really worth the effort. | 16:28 |
| xyang | DuncanT: need to fix bugs:) | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | :0 | 16:28 |
| xyang | smcginnis: yes:) | 16:28 |
| lhx_ | smcginnis, sorry, have no idea, I'm looking into it | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | Oh, another announcement I wanted to bring up, just to raise awareness. | 16:28 |
| xyang | hemna: help with reviews and may be that won't be a problem to merge them:) | 16:28 |
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| hemna | :) | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | There's a push to move in-tree tempest tests into their own repo. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | It fixes some issues by having them separate. | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | xyang: Stop writing bugs in the first place? | 16:28 |
| hemna | smh | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | So we can't incude temptest tests with the code change itself. | 16:29 |
| hemna | like a tempest repo? | 16:29 |
| xyang | DuncanT: right, then we will be all out of job:) | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | But I don't think we ever have, so not really too big of a deal. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Yep, something like a cinder-tempest repo. | 16:29 |
| hemna | smcginnis, wasn't the entire point of having in tree tempest tests was that cinder folks could write them? | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | Problem with entry points and pbr I think. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | hemna: We'll at least still have full control over what gets let in, it just will have to be a separate patch to a separate repo. | 16:30 |
| hemna | yuhk, I can see this getting lost in the weeds. | 16:30 |
| hemna | we already are overloaded with repos to do reviews on. :( | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | We could enforce having it with a depends-on tag if we really want to make sure the tests are ready before merging code. | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Yeah, I pushed back at first. | 16:31 |
| eharney | would the cinder-tempest repo have branches? | 16:31 |
| hemna | I mean, we aren't even writing them now. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | hemna: But it does solve some problems, and I was definiteyl in the minority. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | eharney: That would definitely be my preference. | 16:31 |
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| smcginnis | I don't buy the branchles arguments. | 16:31 |
| eharney | i think it would have to | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | *branchless | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | OK, anything else? | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | The future is *less | 16:32 |
| sivn_ | Can we have a discussion on the new drivers please? | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | sivn_: What needs to be discussed? | 16:32 |
| tommylikehu | sivn_: which one? | 16:32 |
| sivn_ | Veritas driver is ready | 16:32 |
| sivn_ | Can we talk about the new driver "veritas access driver" https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409914/ | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | sivn_: What needs to be discussed? | 16:32 |
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| sivn_ | It needs merge | 16:33 |
| sivn_ | +2 needed | 16:33 |
| hemna | it's not even passing jenkins | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | sivn_: Again, what needs to be discussed? | 16:33 |
| hemna | sivn_, the cinder channel would be a better place to discuss | 16:33 |
| sivn_ | We have taken care of all review comments | 16:33 |
| sivn_ | Its because of python-27 failure | 16:34 |
| hemna | sivn_, there are questions from eharney not answered | 16:34 |
| hemna | sivn_, it's not ready. | 16:34 |
| sivn_ | Do u have any other issues? | 16:34 |
| sivn_ | We will take care of them | 16:35 |
| sivn_ | In the next commit | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | Feedback is in the comments on the review. One more time - what needs to be discussed? | 16:35 |
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| smcginnis | OK, thanks everyone. Please feel free to jump in on troubleshooting the py27 test failures. | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:37 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 17 16:37:01 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-05-17-16.00.html | 16:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-05-17-16.00.txt | 16:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-05-17-16.00.log.html | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:37 |
| lhx_ | thanks | 16:37 |
| Swanson | toodles | 16:37 |
| geguileo | thanks | 16:37 |
| tommylikehu | thanks | 16:37 |
| hemna | Chewbacca | 16:37 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: You need a bot that makes Chewie's sound when you do that. | 16:37 |
| rawanh | thanks all | 16:38 |
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| Swanson | If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! | 16:38 |
| hemna | :) | 16:39 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | anyone about for the storyboard meeting? | 19:00 |
| SotK | I am! | 19:00 |
| fungi | i guess so ;) | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | \o/ | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 17 19:00:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zara_the_lemur__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic Announcements | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:00 | |
| diablo_rojo | Hell o :) | 19:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | hi! | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #info It was the summit last week, and we did a talk! | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | standby while I retrieve a link | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/17632/storyboard-101-survival-guide-to-the-great-migration?BackURL=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstack.org%2Fsummit%2Fboston-2017%2Fsummit-schedule%2Fglobal-search%3Ft%3Dzara%2Bzaimeche%23eventid%3D17632 | 19:01 |
| SotK | we did! | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | apparently that's the last way I found that link | 19:01 |
| SotK | thanks for the question answering assistance fungi | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | looks like I searched myself, how embarrassing... | 19:02 |
| fungi | thanks for giving the talk--it was awesome! | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks to everyone involved! :D | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I very much appreciated SotK's videos, diablo_rojo's slideshow knowhow and fungi's Q&A | 19:02 |
| diablo_rojo | Now we can send that out with the blog posts and hopefully people will stop asking the same questions :) | 19:03 |
| SotK | we can hope | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | + a big thank you to everyone who attended! :) | 19:03 |
| fungi | there is no hope... people never stop asking questions | 19:03 |
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| diablo_rojo | fungi, I was only half serious :) | 19:04 |
| fungi | but maybe they will ask fewer/different questions now! | 19:04 |
| jpmaxman | :) | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (all talks were recorded, so there is a video at that link, in case anyone is unaware) | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (so all is not lost if you were unable to attend!) | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (weep not) | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | okay, I don't think we have any other announcements | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic Urgent Items | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Urgent Items (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:05 | |
| diablo_rojo | Except that you didnt get to see the greatness in person | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | :D | 19:05 |
| fungi | or come out to eat with the infra team at the salty pig | 19:05 |
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| fungi | you know, important stuff | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | that was indeed extremely important | 19:06 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so, I gather Craton and Cloudkitty are planning to migrate next Monday | 19:06 |
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| diablo_rojo | Correct | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | yay for more migrations! | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yep! \o/ I intend to run a test migration between now and then just to check nothing has changed, since it was a little while ago that we tested. | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | but that shouldn't block anything | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | Sweet | 19:07 |
| SotK | \o/ | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | How are other test migrations going? I know things got a little hairy with prepping for the summit | 19:08 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | hah, I haven't done anything since I last mentioned doing one | 19:08 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I think the story should be up to date | 19:08 |
| diablo_rojo | Fair enough :) | 19:08 |
| * SotK has been too busy catching up on sleep since summit to do much | 19:08 | |
| * diablo_rojo goes to look | 19:08 | |
| fungi | oh, right. adding that migration to my reminders now just so i don't double-book myself in the interim ;) | 19:08 |
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| * zara_the_lemur__ looks for a link to the relevant story | 19:09 | |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000876 | 19:10 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (maybe one day I'll prep all my links *before* a meeting; sorry) | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | zara_the_lemur__, no worries | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | you still found it faster than me | 19:11 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | okay, to me, that story looks suspiciously like I have noted my to-test-migrations list but not everything is on there | 19:11 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I'm sure this isn't the first time we have tested craton and cloudkitty but I don't see them listed | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah I didnt put them on there since we had already tested them once | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | but we can make tasks for them | 19:12 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | ah, right, so we made that after, makes sense | 19:12 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ will make a coupla tasks now then | 19:13 | |
| diablo_rojo | Sounds good. | 19:13 |
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| diablo_rojo | If you need more projects to test I can get you more too :) | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | \o/ I don't think we have anything else urgent, just a ton of in-progress stuff | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so... | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic In-Progress Work | 19:13 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I have a massive review backlog and spent most of last week practicing speaking while drying my hair | 19:14 |
| SotK | so I sent a patch that fixes/works around the 401 error | 19:14 |
| SotK | we should merge that :) | 19:14 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I'm glad you're more useful than me | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, the one I reviewed yesterday? | 19:14 |
| fungi | which 401 error? the one where you have to log out and back in when you've been idle for a while? | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, yep | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | I think lol | 19:14 |
| SotK | diablo_rojo, fungi: yes to both | 19:15 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, we hid the actual 401 message but there's a leftover 400 message | 19:15 |
| fungi | HUGE thanks! i think that's probably the #1 most visible bug in the webclient for a long time now | 19:15 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yyyyyyep | 19:15 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I will try to get to that tonight or tomorrow | 19:15 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | whine at me until I do it | 19:15 |
| fungi | that bug alone was probably going a very long way toward making new users wonder whether the software was actually maintained/production-ready | 19:16 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (I want to check it doesn't break anything else, but it'd have to be pretty interesting to make things *worse*) | 19:16 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | definitely agree there | 19:16 |
| * fungi is thrilled someone got to the bottom of it | 19:16 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | it's my most hated bug | 19:16 |
| SotK | yeah, it was mentioned at summit so I thought I would do some investigating | 19:17 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I don't go on about it because I looked into it and couldn't work out to fix it, so wasn't productive | 19:17 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | but there is a very long story about it | 19:17 |
| SotK | the "fix" is just to refresh the page when the tokens are all expired, but I don't think there will be many neater ways to fix it without a large pile of work | 19:17 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000407 | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Much appreciated either way | 19:18 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ is somewhat concerned that might reintroduce some of the original issues, but will test first | 19:18 | |
| SotK | s/the tokens are all expired/both access and refresh tokens are expired so we can't get a new access token without re-authenticating/ | 19:19 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I think a lot of sites do things that way | 19:19 |
| * SotK too | 19:19 | |
| SotK | the other option was a "you've been logged out" page, but that would be extremely annoying if you paste a link after not using it for a month | 19:20 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | one thing I do wonder with that-- if a user types a bunch of stuff, and their token expires midway through, before saving, what happens? | 19:20 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I would assume the content is lost | 19:21 |
| SotK | indeed, but that would be extremely unlikely if my understanding of things is correct | 19:22 |
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| SotK | (that is, the refresh token gets refreshed if it is nearly expired whilst you are actively using storyboard) | 19:22 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ isn't sure exactly what would be 'active' there | 19:23 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | ie: is typing in a text field enough for that, or does it require making api calls? | 19:23 |
| SotK | doing anything that makes a request to the API I believe | 19:23 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah | 19:23 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so it's not a massive deal, I'm thinking that a surprise refresh might be sliiiiightly more prone to losing data than a 'I know I've left this alone for ages but can keep typing and just copy my text before sending because I know it'll log me out then' | 19:24 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | it's not a reason to block anything, just thinking, sorry | 19:24 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | other in-progress things? | 19:25 |
| SotK | np, thinking is good :) | 19:25 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | there are boards patches | 19:25 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | oh so many boards patches | 19:25 |
| SotK | and a search thing to support browsing for multiple tags in a way that isn't a lucky hack | 19:25 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, had questions for you about your comment on my patch | 19:25 |
| diablo_rojo | More clarification | 19:26 |
| * SotK goes to look | 19:26 | |
| diablo_rojo | I am checking to see if 'branch' == project and if it does add master, otherwise..? | 19:26 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437469/5/storyboard/migrate/launchpad/loader.py | 19:26 |
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| diablo_rojo | Also I should probably add pike to the list of releases.. | 19:28 |
| SotK | ah, so that will currently add a master branch for each thing that doesn't have a release defined, and if another project has a bugtask there then we'll add multiple branches named master doing that | 19:28 |
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| diablo_rojo | Okay so needs to be tweaked a bit. | 19:29 |
| SotK | then it struck me that we need to make sure the project name in the url is the name of the project we are trying to add otherwise we will have a mess | 19:29 |
| diablo_rojo | AH | 19:29 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay | 19:29 |
| diablo_rojo | that makes more sense now | 19:29 |
| diablo_rojo | so I can do a check to see if the project in the url is project and if that is the case we will look to see if the branch exists already and if it doesnt add master | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | Got it | 19:30 |
| SotK | so you can probably just do something like `elif branch == project_name` instead of `else` there and fix everything (in the case where we want master the last thing in the url is the project name | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | that works too | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | I will push that change today | 19:31 |
| SotK | thanks :) | 19:31 |
| * SotK notices that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455025/ is also not merged yet, and mithers Zara for reviews :) | 19:31 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | haha, thaks for mithering | 19:31 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I am slowly getting through them in the order they went up there, but emphasis on the slow | 19:32 |
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| SotK | thank you :) | 19:33 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | should have more time now there's no talk stuff in the immediate future | 19:33 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I will prrrrobably prioritize that 401 one though, because the world hates that bug | 19:35 |
| diablo_rojo | Sweet :) And I should have some more time to pitch in now that the Summit is done and that the PTG isnt till September | 19:35 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | any other in-progress work? | 19:36 |
| SotK | yes definitely prioritise the 401 one :) | 19:36 |
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| jpmaxman | I had a question about possibly in progress work :) | 19:37 |
| diablo_rojo | jpmaxman, whats up? :) | 19:37 |
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| jpmaxman | somebody mentioned permissions were being worked on? | 19:37 |
| jpmaxman | at the summit meeting | 19:37 |
| diablo_rojo | permissions...like private stories and bugs? | 19:37 |
| jpmaxman | right | 19:37 |
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| diablo_rojo | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000568 | 19:38 |
| fungi | i think most of it's already there. you can make a story private and add people to it already | 19:38 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | *nod* | 19:38 |
| * fungi frowns at the pink 400 error | 19:38 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | haha | 19:38 |
| fungi | soon to be fixed! | 19:38 |
| jpmaxman | cool | 19:38 |
| jpmaxman | what about entire projects private? | 19:38 |
| SotK | yeah, the missing piece is adding the VMT to vulnerability things automatically | 19:38 |
| SotK | entire projects private is not a thing | 19:39 |
| jpmaxman | ok | 19:39 |
| fungi | or at least hasn't been identified as an immediate goal | 19:39 |
| jpmaxman | gotcha | 19:39 |
| SotK | yeah, I mean "not a thing" as "not implemented or thought about" :) | 19:39 |
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| jpmaxman | ok private stories seems good for sure :) | 19:39 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | it has been discussed in the past (though not for openstack); the general thought is that it's more sensible to spin up one storyboard instance per project in cases where they need to be separated | 19:40 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | since it's desgined for cross-project work | 19:40 |
| diablo_rojo | One thing that hasnt been done there yet is how to migrate existing private bugs | 19:40 |
| fungi | i can imagine a fairly trivial feature where a specific project can default to new stories being created private instead of public | 19:40 |
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| fungi | but private boards and worklists would probably be a lot harder to cover? | 19:41 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (so where you have a situation where there should be walls between projects, it doesn't make sense to put their issues in the same tracker, because it's harder to keep track of whom can see what) | 19:41 |
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| SotK | fungi: what do you mean by "cover" there? | 19:42 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | (and leads to situations where people put documents up that they think everyone can see, when only some subset of people can see them, and communication suffers as a result) | 19:42 |
| jpmaxman | well the description seems to indicate that private stories are also not visible to those without permissions in the worklists/boards | 19:42 |
| fungi | SotK: as in i don't think we have a notion of private worklists or private boards in sb presently, correct? | 19:42 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | we do, but I don't believe it overlaps with story permissions | 19:43 |
| SotK | jpmaxman: correct | 19:43 |
| fungi | ahh, right. i guess i haven't created a new worklist or board recently ;) | 19:43 |
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| SotK | its not quite as complete as for stories, you can't add teams yet | 19:44 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah | 19:44 |
| jpmaxman | well anyway if it was desired private projects seems the easiest of them all ;) | 19:44 |
| SotK | what happens if a story has a task from a private project and a task from a public project? | 19:45 |
| fungi | but anyway, as suggested i do agree that given sb is so lightweight to install and manage, projects that want entirely private defect/task tracking can have dedicated trackers pretty easily | 19:45 |
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| SotK | fungi: +1 | 19:45 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | one can have a private worklist or board. one can also have a public worklist featuring private stories if one can see those stories, and those items in the worklist will only appear to others with permissions to see those stories. | 19:46 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | ^ just adding for completeness on the current soa | 19:46 |
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| fungi | cool, so there's a fair amount of flexibility | 19:47 |
| jpmaxman | ok cool much thanks for the info - and yes seems very flixible | 19:47 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | (sotk wrote all boards and worklists things with no permissions originally, then ended up effectively rewriting the whole implementation, so we remember it well xD) | 19:47 |
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| diablo_rojo | jpmaxman, did you still want us to send some work items your way? | 19:47 |
| jpmaxman | you're welcome too - would help to get familiar with it | 19:48 |
| jpmaxman | right now we are working on some comps for possibly adding time tracking to story board | 19:48 |
| jpmaxman | hopefully should have something to share next week | 19:48 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, zara_the_lemur__ anything off the top of your head you want help with? | 19:48 |
| diablo_rojo | *heads | 19:48 |
| fungi | down the road for vmt needs, i'm leaning toward adding a custom reporting form as a separate rethemed storyboard-webclient. that might allow us to simplify reporting of new potential vulnerabilities while reducing risks of reporting them incorrectly/unsafely | 19:49 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | makes sense | 19:49 |
| fungi | actually getting teh feeling we'll end up with several storyboard-webclient instances sharing one api server eventually | 19:49 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I would really like there to be multiple frontends | 19:50 |
| diablo_rojo | Ten min left btw | 19:50 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks | 19:50 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I don't have anything specific; priorities for us are fixing migration scripts and merging patches currently in review | 19:51 |
| * SotK also has nothing specific off the top of his head | 19:51 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I don't have a lot of bandwidth and can't take more on anyway | 19:51 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay well I can look into open items and find some things | 19:51 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (so if people send a ton of patches, they'll have to wait to get attention from me, so I'd feel weird soliciting them personally.) | 19:52 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I'd like there to be more reviewer bandwidth and bugfixes in general | 19:53 |
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| fungi | hopefully as more people get involved proposing and reviewing changes, we'll find some you feel comfortable sharing core review responsibilities with | 19:54 |
| SotK | indeed | 19:54 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | +1 | 19:54 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | it's a project that takes a long time to ramp up on | 19:55 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | well, that's probably true for a lot of projects | 19:56 |
| diablo_rojo | Agreed | 19:56 |
| diablo_rojo | I feel like I dont know even a quarter of everything there is to know | 19:56 |
| fungi | i feel like that about everything i work on, if that's any consolation | 19:56 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | :D | 19:57 |
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| diablo_rojo | fungi, if you only know a quarter of everything I have no hope of getting anywhere near you. | 19:57 |
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| fungi | the socratic paradox | 19:57 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ hopes it doesn't end in hemlock | 19:58 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | we're out of time | 19:58 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | well, 1 min | 19:58 |
| diablo_rojo | Xenos paradox? If you are the halfway point between me and where I want to be and you you keep moving, I will never make it :) | 19:58 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 17 19:59:01 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-05-17-19.00.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-05-17-19.00.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-05-17-19.00.log.html | 19:59 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I was sorry to stop mid-philosophy jokes | 19:59 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | to #storyboard ! | 19:59 |
| SotK | thanks everyone! | 19:59 |
| diablo_rojo | zara_the_lemur__, probably for the best | 19:59 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 17 21:00:46 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| clayg | let's do this! | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| jrichli | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hi | 21:01 |
| cschwede_ | o/ | 21:01 |
| pdardeau | hi | 21:01 |
| timur | hi | 21:01 |
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| tdasilva | hello | 21:01 |
| acoles | hello | 21:01 |
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| rledisez | hello | 21:02 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:02 |
| notmyname | good to see everyone | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #topic happy birthday | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "happy birthday (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:02 | |
| notmyname | first up, today is swift's birthday! | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | seven years ago today, swift was put into prod | 21:02 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:02 |
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| kota_ | congrats! | 21:02 |
| jrichli | happy bday swift | 21:02 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: kota_: (or yesterday, in your tz) ;-) | 21:02 |
| timburke | yay! | 21:03 |
| jungleboyj | Happy Birthday! | 21:03 |
| kota_ | lol | 21:03 |
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| mattoliverau | Yeah, I had a cake.. or donut (or now have an excuse for eating one) | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | right. go get yourself some cake, and celebrate | 21:03 |
| mattoliverau | MMM, guilt free cake | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | thank you to everyone who has offered code, bug reports, use cases, advice, and time to the community | 21:04 |
| notmyname | I ws talking to someone yesterday and the question of "what is swift" came up. it's the people. :-) | 21:04 |
| notmyname | thanks for being involved | 21:04 |
| acoles | wait, did somebody mention cake? | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #topic summit recap | 21:05 |
| clayg | nom nom nom | 21:05 |
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| mattoliverau | acoles: your welcome | 21:05 |
| notmyname | ok. we had a summit last week. how was it? | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | if you weren't there, we missed seeing you | 21:05 |
| notmyname | if you were there, I'm glad you made it | 21:05 |
| clayg | if you weren't there - you won a productive week! | 21:05 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:05 |
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| mattoliverau | It was good to catch up, but would've loved more time to talk swift things | 21:05 |
| notmyname | does someone have a link to the feedback form? I must have missed it | 21:06 |
| kota_ | mattoliverau: +1 | 21:06 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: yeah, that's the general sentiment I got | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | Although the ops turn out was awesome | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | Great seeing more people in ops feedback then normal, and it usually is always a good turn out | 21:07 |
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| mattoliverau | So that was very positive | 21:07 |
| notmyname | there are two ideas that came up last week that we should bring up again here | 21:07 |
| notmyname | first, the idea of having a regular meeting in addition to this one for people in different timezones | 21:07 |
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| cschwede_ | +2! | 21:08 |
| notmyname | specifically, mahatic and pavel/onovy/seznam. but of course we've all seen various chinese contributors too | 21:08 |
| notmyname | I am going to coordinate with mahatic to find a time and agenda for that meeting | 21:08 |
| notmyname | but the point is that it's a place to bring up stuff that those in the other time zones are working on | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | Cool | 21:09 |
| notmyname | I think it's a terrific idea | 21:09 |
| tdasilva | i bet the guys working on tape would like that too | 21:09 |
| * clayg pours one out for mahatic | 21:09 | |
| mattoliverau | Any idea on how regularly? | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | are there any other general things/topics/themes that should be included for that meeting? | 21:10 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: probably once every two weeks? | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | Cool | 21:10 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: but how often would you want it, if it were more convenint for you? | 21:10 |
| notmyname | *convenient | 21:10 |
| clayg | EVERYDAY | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | if there's one thing clayg loves, it's daily meetings | 21:11 |
| kota_ | lol | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | Lol, 2 weeks is a good start | 21:11 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: note that you still have to attend this meeting, notmyname said "in addition", so no sleeping in :P | 21:12 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: damn... But depends on when it is.. it could just as easy be harder for you as I'm closer to Chinese time ;) | 21:12 |
| notmyname | my goal is to find a time for it that is so horrible for US timezones that it will be obvious that not everyone needs to be there | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | ok, the second thing from last week... a virtual hackathon idea | 21:13 |
| notmyname | this one is an idea that is very much unformed | 21:13 |
| notmyname | but given the less-than-great experience from the summit, some of us talked about figuring out a way to try a hackathon without all of us having to make a long flight | 21:14 |
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| mattoliverau | Again timezones make it hard. Ironic did it and mrda (Australian team mate) had to do crazy hours.. but he did say it was beneficial | 21:14 |
| notmyname | several of our community also contribute to ceph, and I know they have these virtual events | 21:14 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: ah, interesting. good feedback | 21:15 |
| zaitcev | Yeah, if only there was a way to send a message... like a mail... to a list of people. And then it could be stored on a computer somewhere, ready to be read in any timezone recepient is in. | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: what if it were something like "we're doing it for the next 30 hours, and here's the schedule". and I might have a topic from 11pm to 1am in my tz and someone else might have a topic from 7am to 8am, etc | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: crazytown! | 21:16 |
| mattoliverau | zaitcev: now your just talkin crazy | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | so I don't know exactly what it would look like | 21:16 |
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| timburke | i think it's supposed to be more about the concerted effort than the actual messaging :-) i'm imagining something like the review sprint to land crypto or something | 21:17 |
| clayg | i love it! | 21:17 |
| notmyname | it's certainly not an original idea, so we could definitely learn from others | 21:17 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: how does ceph do it? have you participated in those events? | 21:17 |
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| mattoliverau | Sure, I guess 30 hours is more doable. It's more what if the people working on setting is in all the timezones.. but I guess only 30 means only 1 bad night | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | *something | 21:18 |
| clayg | zaitcev: only uses email - then someone in the hack-a-thon reads the email to everyone in the video conference | 21:18 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: one bad night for everyone. or what timburke said and more of the global handoff... | 21:18 |
| * mattoliverau is typing on phone so autocomplete is a pain | 21:18 | |
| zaitcev | oh god, Ceph is the worst. They have a stand-up every morning, like characters in a Japanese anime about workplace | 21:18 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: I imagine they would have to be a lot more organized than our typical hackathons. So like you said, schedule a specific time and subject | 21:18 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: lol | 21:18 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: maybe we can start small, with just scheduling a discussion in one topic and see how that goes | 21:18 |
| clayg | tdasilva: scheduled time and subject!? this doesn't even sound like a hack-a-thon anymore | 21:19 |
| tdasilva | it's really not a hackathon, more like a video conference meeting to talk about specific topic | 21:19 |
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| clayg | oh... that's a thing | 21:19 |
| tdasilva | clayg: exactly, I agree | 21:19 |
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| tdasilva | clayg: but I can't think how else we would do it virtually? | 21:19 |
| zaitcev | Ceph also has a hackathon, which is very similar to ours, but stricter. Actually, we did end-of-day round table too in ours. Theirs is like... Have you implemented this function today? Why not? | 21:20 |
| notmyname | IMO it's an interesting idea (but I don't know what it looks like) that sounds a *lot* more valuable than flying to sydney for only 3 days for the next summit :/ | 21:20 |
| mattoliverau | How else, 3D visors ;) | 21:20 |
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| clayg | tdasilva: it is a good point - i have no idea how to do a virtual hack-a-thon | 21:20 |
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| mattoliverau | cough LCA cough | 21:20 |
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| zaitcev | The food at Ceph hackathons was amazing though. | 21:20 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: yes, that would be awesome | 21:20 |
| acoles | wait, did someone mention food?? :D | 21:21 |
| zaitcev | I just did | 21:21 |
| notmyname | ok, so it's an idea. might be terrible. might be great. we don't have to make a decision on it right now or plan it out today | 21:21 |
| zaitcev | I saved pictures somewhere, I was so impressed. | 21:21 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: are you hungry? | 21:21 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: lol, no! we just had a potluck. we're all stuffed | 21:21 |
| tdasilva | acoles: are people in SF not feeding you? | 21:22 |
| timburke | speak for yourself. brb | 21:22 |
| notmyname | ok, so think about it. let's bring it up again | 21:22 |
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| acoles | mattoliverau: tdasilva: it's terrible | 21:22 |
| notmyname | #topic follow up on tc goals | 21:22 |
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| tdasilva | lol | 21:22 |
| notmyname | AFAIK, status is "nothing has changed. still gotta do it" | 21:22 |
| clayg | goals? | 21:23 |
| mattoliverau | zaitcev: I assume the great food wasn't at a virtual hackathon.. or maybe it was :p | 21:23 |
| acoles | notmyname: I think it is worth trying, see how it works | 21:23 |
| notmyname | clayg: py3 and running under mod_wsgi^Wuwsgi | 21:23 |
| notmyname | acoles: agreed (a virtual hackathon) | 21:23 |
| acoles | notmyname: I looked at the uwsgi/mod-wsgi goal requirement, I think we are almost compliant alredy | 21:23 |
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| clayg | "python3 doesn't matter" --unnamed wise man | 21:24 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks. I'll talk to you later about getting something written up to say "here's the things we need to do" | 21:24 |
| notmyname | #topic LOSF | 21:24 |
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| clayg | i heard someone say onetime the apache stuff doesn't blow up if you're using replicated objects - since devstack doesn't use EC - I think we're golden | 21:24 |
| timburke | mmm queso | 21:24 |
| notmyname | rledisez: this is your stuff | 21:24 |
| notmyname | clayg: move the requirements to be whatever we've already done? | 21:25 |
| clayg | how about LOLF? it sounds funnier | 21:25 |
| rledisez | ok. so, we need some outlook on what we are doing right now (OVH and iQIYI) | 21:25 |
| rledisez | long story short: we discussed with Jeff on our implementations of the small file optimization | 21:25 |
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| rledisez | the goal is to have the same on-disk format so that we can work in parallel on python and golang version | 21:25 |
| notmyname | yay! | 21:25 |
| rledisez | some of the work could be easily done, but we could not agree about the meta (maybe we just missed time to debate) | 21:26 |
| zaitcev | impressive you found it possible | 21:26 |
| rledisez | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-losf-meta-storage | 21:26 |
| rledisez | iQIYI implementation stores metadata only in K/V. OVH implementation stores metadata only in volume files. | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | Nice | 21:26 |
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| rledisez | storing in KV could help with HEAD requests if you don't have too much meta to store (otherwise it fulfill memory) | 21:27 |
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| rledisez | storing in volume allow to rebuild KV in case of corruption and save memory (at the cost of IO on HEAD requests) | 21:27 |
| acoles | rledisez: thanks for the etherpad notes | 21:27 |
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| mattoliverau | Hmm, I think I need time to read | 21:28 |
| notmyname | rledisez: what's your plan to choose a single way to do it? | 21:28 |
| rledisez | right now we are still discussing with jeff. i think he is trying our implem | 21:29 |
| notmyname | rledisez: do you want us to read over and discuss later in irc or next week? | 21:29 |
| notmyname | oh ok, so he's looking at your implementation | 21:29 |
| rledisez | in the end, either one of use make a very good point to convince the other, or we are stuck until somebody decide for us :) | 21:29 |
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| rledisez | notmyname: yeah, reading ehterpad and having a discussion about it would be very nice | 21:29 |
| mattoliverau | We store container metadata in Sqlite, so that's something, but yeah, I assume we tend to store more object metadata then container | 21:30 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: yeah, but this is more about the xattr/.meta metadata | 21:30 |
| mattoliverau | Yeah | 21:30 |
| notmyname | rledisez: ok, thank you for bring this up | 21:31 |
| notmyname | rledisez: how about the rest of us read over and comment, then we talk in -swift about it. and get a status update next meeting? | 21:31 |
| notmyname | rledisez: is jeff in irc? | 21:31 |
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| rledisez | notmyname: good for me | 21:31 |
| rledisez | i'm not sure. it's 5am for him now | 21:32 |
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| rledisez | so right now probably not | 21:32 |
| rledisez | i'll ask him by mail | 21:32 |
| notmyname | rledisez: kota_ has no sympathy ;-) | 21:32 |
| rledisez | :) | 21:32 |
| mattoliverau | Lol | 21:32 |
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| kota_ | 6am | 21:32 |
| kota_ | for me | 21:32 |
| notmyname | kota_: pretty much the same thing ;-) | 21:32 |
| kota_ | make sense | 21:32 |
| notmyname | rledisez: ok, we *need* him to be in irc. please mention it when you talk to him next | 21:33 |
| rledisez | i will ask him again if he can join | 21:33 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:33 |
| notmyname | rledisez: anythign else for this meeting that we need to go over on this LOSF topic? | 21:33 |
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| rledisez | not i can think of for the moment | 21:33 |
| notmyname | ok, thanks for bring it up | 21:34 |
| clayg | can we make it LAFS or LAWLS | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | #topic global ec patches | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | composite rings | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | has composite rings landed yet? acoles timburke clayg cschwede_ kota_??!?! | 21:35 |
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| cschwede_ | notmyname: i didn't had a chance today to look at it :/ | 21:35 |
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| acoles | notmyname: almost, we have 2 +2 but it would be great for kota_ to have chance to add a vote | 21:35 |
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| acoles | since we've all had some involvement in authoring | 21:36 |
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| clayg | look at it! merge it! I'll +A it right now! | 21:36 |
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| clayg | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441921/ | 21:36 |
| patchbot | patch 441921 - swift - Add Composite Ring Functionality | 21:36 |
| acoles | patch 441921 | 21:36 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441921/ - swift - Add Composite Ring Functionality | 21:36 |
| kota_ | notmyname: i had not yet but absolutely i'll have time today | 21:36 |
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| timburke | i did a solid read-through on the docs yesterday; look good to me. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465184/ popped out, addressing some other ring doc stuff along the way | 21:36 |
| patchbot | patch 465184 - swift - Ring doc cleanups | 21:36 |
| kota_ | sorry i had short day offs in the early of this week. | 21:36 |
| acoles | kota_: thanks! | 21:36 |
| notmyname | timburke: wanting to land after or wanting to merge in? | 21:36 |
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| timburke | i'm perfectly content for that to be a follow-up. a lot of it is out-of-scope for composite rings | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | kota_: thanks. when you look, please +A if you like it, that way it's landed during our night and we don't lose another day on it | 21:37 |
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| acoles | kota_: please go ahead and +A if you are ok with it, i think that is fine with other +2 votes | 21:37 |
| notmyname | acoles: clayg: what comments were you looking for from cschwede_? | 21:37 |
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| clayg | notmyname: we got a chance to talk about it in BOS | 21:38 |
| kota_ | notmyname: thanks for the info, I concerned if i could give +A for my patch :P | 21:38 |
| kota_ | and acoles:^^ | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | clayg: ah,ok good | 21:38 |
| clayg | notmyname: cschwede_ had the *really* good idea about taking an existing ring and splitting it into composites for upgrade | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | kota_: yes you can :-) | 21:38 |
| acoles | cschwede_: IIRC had better idea how to force a builder file write | 21:38 |
| clayg | i was going to do some research into some of our existing multi-region deployment rings and scope out what I think we can do | 21:38 |
| clayg | it's a baller idea | 21:38 |
| notmyname | but something to do *after* this patch, right? | 21:39 |
| cschwede_ | acoles: that one could be an easy follow up | 21:39 |
| clayg | yeah I think so? | 21:39 |
| cschwede_ | yeah, no blockers | 21:39 |
| clayg | there's a *bunch* of stuff that we probably want to happen *after* this patch | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | cschwede_: great! | 21:39 |
| timburke | seems like a great idea, but i'm having a hard time imagining how it would work in practice... | 21:39 |
| acoles | cschwede_: +1 it's just doc so follow up if fine | 21:39 |
| cschwede_ | clayg: are you looking into the decompose stuff? | 21:39 |
| clayg | I think getting something like CLI support is up there - and it's possible more docs about how to use it | 21:39 |
| clayg | cschwede_: acctually - no :\ | 21:40 |
| notmyname | do we have any other patches open related to global ec clusters? | 21:40 |
| cschwede_ | clayg: ok, i might look into this next week | 21:40 |
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| clayg | cschwede_: maybe we could collaborate on that some? I need to think more deeply about it ... :D that would be great | 21:40 |
| cschwede_ | clayg: absolutely! | 21:41 |
| acoles | notmyname: we have patch for per policy affinity config https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448240/ | 21:41 |
| patchbot | patch 448240 - swift - Enable per policy proxy config options | 21:41 |
| clayg | cschwede_: I'm curious if there would be something I could run over a replica2part2dev table that would say "XXX parts would have to move" kinda thing? | 21:41 |
| notmyname | acoles: that's what i was thinking of | 21:41 |
| acoles | which is related to global EC, we discussed this last week and got some consensus on the conf file format | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | acoles: but it has a merge conflict? | 21:41 |
| clayg | cschwede_: assuming I want my 1.5/1.5 rings to go to 2/1 or my 2.1/1.9 rings to go 2/2 or whatever it is? | 21:41 |
| acoles | I just saw that is in merge conflict, will fix | 21:41 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks | 21:41 |
| acoles | it also depends on this which should be an easy review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462619/1 | 21:42 |
| patchbot | patch 462619 - swift - Add read and write affinity options to deployment ... | 21:42 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: kota_: mattoliverau: jrichli: zaitcev: timburke: after the composite rings patch lands, next up is patch 448240. if you can review it, that would be very helpful | 21:42 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448240/ - swift - Enable per policy proxy config options | 21:42 |
| cschwede_ | clayg: i was thinking about "take r1 from this ring and write this out to a new builder, now take r2 from the same ring (or another, whatever), and write it out to another builder - gives you full control? | 21:42 |
| kota_ | and perhaps, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443072/ is one of my homework since ec duplication landed | 21:43 |
| patchbot | patch 443072 - swift - Eliminate node_index in Putter | 21:43 |
| mattoliverau | Kk | 21:43 |
| cschwede_ | clayg: that will result in rings with a fraction-based replica count | 21:43 |
| kota_ | sorry i forget to bring it in BOS :\ | 21:43 |
| zaitcev | oay | 21:43 |
| cschwede_ | clayg: and then you can set the replicas to your desired value, and rebalance | 21:43 |
| clayg | cschwede_: well... but I mean how big is the replica2part2dev table in each case? | 21:43 |
| acoles | kota_: oh yeah, we still have duplicate frag follow-ups | 21:43 |
| timburke | cschwede_: currently composite rings require integer replica counts :-/ | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | ok, I'll update the priority reviews wiki page with the global ec patches (and the stuff for after that [ie zaitcev's PUT+POST patch]) | 21:44 |
| clayg | cschwede_: idk, fractional replicas doesn't really allow for the last replica part list to be arbitrarily sparse | 21:45 |
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| clayg | cschwede_: but maybe we could make it work | 21:45 |
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| cschwede_ | well, the composite ring will use integer-replicas. but getting there might need to split up and change decomposed ring parts | 21:46 |
| clayg | cschwede_: it'll be great | 21:47 |
| cschwede_ | maybe i should draft this first to make that idea work for me and show it to you | 21:47 |
| clayg | that's the ticket! | 21:47 |
| notmyname | great :-) | 21:47 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | anyone have something else to bring up? | 21:47 |
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| timburke | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/463849/ has a bit of an api change in it... but i think it's a good thing | 21:48 |
| patchbot | patch 463849 - swift - Delete a non-SLO object with ?multipart-manifest. | 21:48 |
| zaitcev | So, about that PUT+POST, anyone cares about it? Tim looked at it. | 21:48 |
| clayg | yeah timburke is the best! | 21:48 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: yes! let's talk right after we go over timburke's thing | 21:48 |
| clayg | everyone cares | 21:48 |
| timburke | i want a way to say "go delete this object, and if it's an SLO, go delete the segments as well" | 21:48 |
| notmyname | timburke: what's the current behavior and the proposed behavior? | 21:49 |
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| timburke | current behavior is to 400 if we get a DELETE request with ?multipart-manifest=delete for a non-SLO; patch changes that to go ahead and do the delete | 21:50 |
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| clayg | timburke: if I'm reading that code right - do *all* ?multipart-manifest=delete requests turninto a GET on the backend before the DELETE verb makes its way down to the object server? | 21:51 |
| clayg | client niceties aside - do we *really* want to encourage that request pattern on the backend when describing "the preferred way" to empty a container? | 21:51 |
| timburke | this stops making HEADs necessary to perform DELETEs (as in https://github.com/openstack/swift3/blob/master/swift3/request.py#L1182-L1187) | 21:51 |
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| cschwede_ | why would one expect a failure on delete with the ?multipart querystring? is there a good reason for it that i didn't noticed? | 21:52 |
| timburke | clayg: got a better way? | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | cschwede_: yeah, that's what I think too. the error is what seems odd, not the proposed new behavior. client sent a delete. delete it | 21:53 |
| cschwede_ | right | 21:53 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:53 |
| jrichli | +1 | 21:53 |
| notmyname | ok, so what do we need to do to move forward on this one? | 21:54 |
| notmyname | timburke: ? timur: ? | 21:54 |
| mattoliverau | But that's from just thinking about API, not looking at code cause maybe there was a reason | 21:54 |
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| jrichli | so, if that is merged, then the client could supply the ?multipart-manifest=delete on a bulk-delete in order to have segments deleted with manifests, right? | 21:54 |
| timburke | i can go +A | 21:54 |
| timburke | if everyone's on board | 21:55 |
| timur | well, I think the patch could be merged. clayg's point is valid. However, a caller right now has to do a HEAD+DELETE when removing objects. I don't think reworking SLO to avoid the GET before DELETE is within the scope of this patch? | 21:55 |
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| timur | jrichli: that would be awesome -- I haven't actually checked if that's what will happen | 21:56 |
| clayg | jrichli: I think the change is a client can ?multipart-manifest=delete on a NON manifest and have the object still be deleted (possibly *not* deleting the segments behind a newer manifest that wasn't servicing the read) | 21:56 |
| timburke | jrichli: maybe? i'd have to look at the bulk deleter; it may think that what we intend to be a query param is part of the object name | 21:56 |
| timur | but I was talking about changing the bulk deleter behavior earlier today in the swift channel | 21:56 |
| mattoliverau | But yeah, delete is how would delete, the query string should only matter in if match or being caught by middle ware, as not a slo it should just be ignored (the query string not the delete) | 21:56 |
| clayg | I think... it's worth considering... had tempest happened to have a test that hit this behavior - the change would probably already be on the floor | 21:56 |
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| jrichli | timur: correct, i was bringing up that convo about the bug (well, there are 2 dup bugs on that) | 21:57 |
| mattoliverau | Wow my English is awesome when I type on a phone :p | 21:57 |
| clayg | yeah... it would be nice to have a bug associated with it - i'm glad folks had the good sense to raise awareness in the meeting - kudos all | 21:57 |
| notmyname | jrichli: got a link to the bug? | 21:57 |
| jrichli | https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1691523 | 21:58 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1691523 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Multi-delete does not remove SLO segments" [Undecided,New] | 21:58 |
| jrichli | https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1691459 | 21:58 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1691523 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "duplicate for #1691459 Multi-delete does not remove SLO segments" [Undecided,New] | 21:58 |
| jrichli | ah, it was marked dup already | 21:58 |
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| timur | yea, that was my doing | 21:58 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: haven't forgotten you... | 21:58 |
| timur | I can ask Andrew to file a bug related to this patch too | 21:58 |
| timur | it came up in jclouds, as the behavior of HEAD+DELETE is not great | 21:59 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: your PUT+POST patch (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427911/) is very important | 21:59 |
| patchbot | patch 427911 - swift - PUT+POST and its development test | 21:59 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: it unblocks being able to work on the golang object server | 21:59 |
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| notmyname | which can be done concurrently to the other replication/reconstructor work | 22:00 |
| zaitcev | hopefully, you mean. | 22:00 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: I'm always full of hope | 22:00 |
| timburke | hmm... we should probably force x-newest around https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/swift/common/middleware/slo.py#L1157 ... | 22:00 |
| zaitcev | I addressed the concerns raised in Atlanta, I think, but I haven't seen any remarks by Clay/Alastair/Kota/etc | 22:00 |
| notmyname | busy busy | 22:01 |
| clayg | oh great, so instead of every DELETE being preceeded with a GET - it's an X-Newest GET! ;) | 22:01 |
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| notmyname | ok, need review on the delete patch and the bugs there | 22:01 |
| notmyname | we're at time | 22:01 |
| notmyname | thank you for working on swift! here's to another seven years! | 22:02 |
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| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 17 22:02:18 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-05-17-21.00.html | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-05-17-21.00.txt | 22:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-05-17-21.00.log.html | 22:02 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 22:02 |
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