| ekcs | time for congress meeting. ramineni masahito thinrichs aimeeu | 00:00 |
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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 00:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 23 00:00:31 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
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| ekcs | hi all! good to have everyone back. | 00:01 |
| masahito | hi | 00:01 |
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| ekcs | here are some items for today. please take a look and add yours if you have something to add =) | 00:01 |
| ekcs | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 00:02 |
| ekcs | hi masahito ! | 00:02 |
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| ekcs | ok then let’s get started. | 00:07 |
| ekcs | feel free to continue adding to the items as we talk. | 00:07 |
| ekcs | #topic Backward compatibility with new table columns | 00:08 |
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| ekcs | I was working on this task #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1674537 | 00:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1674537 in congress "add to cinder_driver encryption and attachment info" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 00:08 |
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| ekcs | And I realized that it’s problem when every time we add a new data column to an existing datasource table we can break compatibility with existing policy rules. | 00:09 |
| ekcs | to avoid breaking compatibility, we can either 1. don’t add new columns. add any new data to a new table. | 00:10 |
| ekcs | 2. allow too few positional arguments in reference to datasource tables. eg. nova:flavors(x) | 00:10 |
| ekcs | I have a little more discussion in the bug link above. anyone have thoughts on this? bringing it up on this meeting since it affects congress overall if we decide to allow too few positional args. | 00:12 |
| masahito | option#1 looks good for me. | 00:13 |
| masahito | because #2 is hard to reduce the table column. | 00:13 |
| ekcs | right we can only add not remove. but I don’t think that’s a consideration here, because whether we go 1 or 2, we can’t remove a table column without breaking existing policies. | 00:14 |
| masahito | And additional option is that we introduce datasource driver version to manage the table column. | 00:16 |
| masahito | when creating datasource users can specify datasource driver version, like creating cinder_driver version 1. | 00:18 |
| ekcs | I personally don’t like option 1 because we end up with a very messy schema. like I’m working on a patch that grabs several attributes about cinder volumes that wasn’t captured before (encryption, availability_zone, replication status, etc.). If we choose option 1, then either we add many new tables (volumes_encryption, volumes_availability_zone, etc.) one for each new piece of data. or we add one new table like volumes_additional_info. and then nex | 00:19 |
| ekcs | time we add more things it’d be like volumes_more_additional_info. | 00:19 |
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| ekcs | versioning can definitely work. but also add to the things we need to maintain. | 00:21 |
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| ekcs | are you thinking like cinder_driver_v1_1.py or like just cinder_driver.py but it understands version? | 00:21 |
| masahito | I thought later one. just cinder_driver.py | 00:22 |
| ekcs | hmm yea that’d be the cleanest approach I think. but also more things to maintain over time. if we anticipate needing to alter tables in many ways not just adding new columns, then that definitely seems like the right approach. | 00:24 |
| ekcs | but if we don’t, it may be overkill, unless we have other good reasons for it anyway. is that something we’ve discussed much before? | 00:25 |
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| ekcs | anyway we’d probably need more input here to make progress. I can summarize and discuss on ML later. | 00:26 |
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| bryan_att | Hi all - joining late | 00:30 |
| ekcs | hi bryan_att | 00:30 |
| ekcs | hi thinrichs | 00:30 |
| thinrichs | Hi all. Sorry I'm late. | 00:31 |
| ekcs | here are the topics. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 00:31 |
| ekcs | feel free to add to it. | 00:31 |
| ekcs | we were just talking about what to do when we want to add new data from a datasource. say encryption, availabality zone, etc. from cinder. | 00:32 |
| ekcs | if we add a data column, it would break compatibility with existing policy rules. unless we do something: | 00:32 |
| ekcs | a. allow too few positional args. just pad with anynomous variables similar to how column references are handled. | 00:33 |
| ekcs | b. masahito mentioned we can go all the way and version the drivers. | 00:33 |
| ekcs | go ahead if you guys have anything to add, or we could also move on =) | 00:34 |
| bryan_att | not being able to extend the datasource columns seems like a major limitation | 00:34 |
| ekcs | bryan_att: agreed. | 00:35 |
| bryan_att | even if new columns were added at the end, eventually we would need to deprecate some columns, right? | 00:35 |
| bryan_att | the fixed positioning of columns (and not easily knowing what those are), has been one of the tough things about writing rules | 00:36 |
| bryan_att | unless I don't know all the options yet (probable) | 00:37 |
| bryan_att | API/datasource versioning though seems like a good thing in general | 00:37 |
| ekcs | bryan_att: positional arguments are hard to use yes. but have you used named column reference? | 00:37 |
| bryan_att | ala name-value? | 00:38 |
| bryan_att | name=value | 00:38 |
| ekcs | eg. p(id) :- nova:flavors(id,vcpus=x) | 00:38 |
| ekcs | p(id) :- nova:flavors(id=id,vcpus=x) | 00:38 |
| bryan_att | yes, but I also run into warnings/errors if i use them the wrong way. and figuring out why is hard sometimes | 00:38 |
| bryan_att | in general that's how I would like to write rules - only ref the columns I need | 00:39 |
| ekcs | i see. yea I think that’s the intent. | 00:40 |
| ekcs | with hard to understand errors, I would love to see some examples next time you run into them? | 00:40 |
| bryan_att | sure, I will take notes | 00:40 |
| ekcs | thanks. that’d help us improve things for sure. | 00:41 |
| ekcs | ok let’s move on to other topics then. | 00:41 |
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| ekcs | #topic Congress support in TryStack | 00:41 |
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| ekcs | bryan_att: you wanna go ahead? | 00:42 |
| bryan_att | I checked out TryStack, and updated the issue - it's based upon Liberty and there's no clear way to enhance it | 00:42 |
| bryan_att | I sent a note to the RDO team about that on OPNFV, and will update it further with the answer | 00:42 |
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| bryan_att | I asked when do they plan to update e.g. to Newton - seems we need a recent version for it to be useful | 00:43 |
| bryan_att | that's all for now | 00:43 |
| ekcs | bryan_att: got it thanks a lot! I saw your update on the bug. | 00:43 |
| ekcs | awesome that’d be good to know. | 00:43 |
| bryan_att | Also I'll try out the other issue (HTTPS support) asap | 00:43 |
| ekcs | thanks lots! | 00:44 |
| ekcs | let’s go back to policy library then. | 00:44 |
| ekcs | #topic policy library | 00:44 |
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| ekcs | here are some of the policies thinrichs and others have collected. https://docs.google.com/document/d/12f1VciulhT9yCYOc7jiulGiLT-tFpffLxNOpr-2QX2I/edit# | 00:45 |
| ekcs | some of them seem suitable for being in a policy library as is. | 00:45 |
| ekcs | we discussed previously how we want to implement the library. | 00:45 |
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| thinrichs | I pushed up a candidate start of the policy library (the directory of files that contain policies, not the code implementing the functionality of the library). | 00:47 |
| thinrichs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448785/ | 00:47 |
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| thinrichs | It includes just one policy for now | 00:47 |
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| thinrichs | I figured we could settle on that one, and then add a couple more. And then we'd have a starting point for writing the code. | 00:47 |
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| ekcs | thath’s great. | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | I know we discussed storing the library in YAML vs. JSON. I did it with YAML, but we could support JSON too (or alternatively only support JSON). | 00:48 |
| bryan_att | looks good to me | 00:48 |
| ekcs | the bare minimal is to ship the library as a collection of files. and provide CLI & GUI to add policies from file into the active system. | 00:49 |
| bryan_att | I like the file approach, that allows customization in deployment.. | 00:49 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: +1. That's what I was thinking too. API design is in the google doc. | 00:49 |
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| thinrichs | Near the top of .. | 00:50 |
| thinrichs | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/12f1VciulhT9yCYOc7jiulGiLT-tFpffLxNOpr-2QX2I/edit# | 00:50 |
| thinrichs | Look for the tables | 00:50 |
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| thinrichs | The Library in that proposal is just a collection of policies; they never get evaluated. | 00:52 |
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| ekcs | looks like a great proposal. | 00:53 |
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| thinrichs | If the user wants to use a library policy, the API makes it easy to download it as YAML and then add that policy into the normal /policy part of the API | 00:53 |
| ekcs | the CLI/API workflow doesn’t even require congress to know about a library. | 00:53 |
| thinrichs | Right | 00:54 |
| ekcs | but the GUI workflow requires congress (at least the GUI) to have some idea of what’s in the library. | 00:54 |
| thinrichs | The CLI/API would know about the library. But people could use their own YAML/json-encoded policies too. | 00:54 |
| ekcs | I see okay. | 00:55 |
| thinrichs | The GuI would clearly only let people use policies that are in the library | 00:55 |
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| thinrichs | but people could add their own policies into the library | 00:55 |
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| ekcs | so what should we do next on this? if the proposal sounds good to people then we can start breaking it into tasks? | 00:56 |
| thinrichs | Probably we should push in the API change as a spec so people can comment. | 00:56 |
| ekcs | great. | 00:57 |
| thinrichs | But if people are roughly in agreement then breaking it into tasks seems right. | 00:57 |
| thinrichs | We could do the 2 in parallel. | 00:57 |
| ekcs | masahito, bryan_att any thoughts on the API and workflow proposal? | 00:57 |
| masahito | Overall, I agree the list of new APIs. | 00:58 |
| bryan_att | yes, I agree, both sound fine as a start | 00:58 |
| bryan_att | I assume we can sync the file at any time, and the GUI will pick up any changes the next time the user browses the library? | 00:59 |
| bryan_att | this would simplify distribution of policies across a set of clouds | 00:59 |
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| thinrichs | bryan_att: the GUI should pick up changes to the library. But if someone pulled a policy from the library and inserted it into the existing policy collection, the inserted-policy wouldn't be updated. | 01:00 |
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| bryan_att | understood and agreed as a limitation | 01:00 |
| thinrichs | Does that distinction make sense? | 01:00 |
| bryan_att | that would need to be a user guide note | 01:00 |
| thinrichs | I expect that most of the time people will pull down a library policy and then Change it at least a little before inserting | 01:00 |
| thinrichs | We're out of time. | 01:01 |
| ekcs | yup. | 01:01 |
| ekcs | continue later then. | 01:01 |
| ekcs | great discussions today. thanks all! | 01:01 |
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| ekcs | #endmeeting | 01:02 |
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| thinrichs | Thanks all | 01:02 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 23 01:02:10 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:02 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-03-23-00.00.html | 01:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-03-23-00.00.txt | 01:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-03-23-00.00.log.html | 01:02 |
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| zhenguo | #startmeeting mogan | 02:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 23 02:00:45 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhenguo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mogan' | 02:00 |
| litao | here | 02:01 |
| zhenguo | o/ | 02:01 |
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| luyao | morning | 02:03 |
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| wanghao | I'm herer | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | ok, morning all, | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | as always, the agenda: | 02:04 |
| zhenguo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Mogan#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 02:04 |
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| zhenguo | let's jump in | 02:04 |
| zhenguo | #topic announcements and reminders | 02:04 |
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| zhenguo | You may have noticed the core nomination email, please respond your support or any concerns , thanks! | 02:05 |
| zhenguo | we really need more cores :P | 02:05 |
| litao | Maybe i miss that email | 02:06 |
| zhenguo | I don't like to merge patches directly by myself, please do more reviews | 02:06 |
| zhenguo | litao: you can get it if someone else respond it:D | 02:06 |
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| litao | zhenguo: ok’ | 02:07 |
| zhenguo | hah, liusheng is absent today | 02:07 |
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| RuiChen | o/ | 02:08 |
| zhenguo | The refactors are almost finished, we have moved scheduler out and save sompute nodes/ports resources to DB instead of cache. | 02:08 |
| zhenguo | RuiChen: o/ | 02:08 |
| zhenguo | liudong, zhangyang: is the base driver ok for you now? | 02:09 |
| RuiChen | sounds good, thank you zhenguo | 02:09 |
| zhenguo | hah | 02:09 |
| zhangyang | zhenguo: yes, it's great | 02:09 |
| zhenguo | ok, thanks. really many refactors recently, I'm sure there should be many following up small issues, please feel free to fix them. | 02:10 |
| zhenguo | wrt the new flavor, I would like to align with Valence guys first to see what informations needed to compose a node | 02:11 |
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| zhenguo | lin_yang, ntpttr_: hey, are you around? | 02:13 |
| zhenguo | ok, seems no valence guys here, | 02:13 |
| zhenguo | let's move on | 02:13 |
| zhenguo | not much of announcement, anyone else have a thing here? | 02:14 |
| RuiChen | anyone found a bug, please commit a launchpad bug, if you don't have time to fix, other guy might contiue to work from launchpad | 02:14 |
| zhenguo | yes, thanks RuiChen for the reminder | 02:14 |
| litao | sounds good | 02:15 |
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| zhenguo | ok, let's move on | 02:15 |
| zhenguo | #topic task tracking | 02:15 |
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| zhenguo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mogan-task | 02:15 |
| * zhenguo gives folks a few minutes to review | 02:16 | |
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| zhenguo | looks like quotas and faults tasks moving along nicely, thanks wanghao and luyao | 02:17 |
| RuiChen | thank you wanghao and luyao | 02:19 |
| zhenguo | and sorry for not updating the task list recently due to refacotors | 02:19 |
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| zhenguo | I will prepare a priority task list by next meeing, then we can follow that | 02:20 |
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| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: o/ | 02:23 |
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| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: hi | 02:23 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: I'm here | 02:23 |
| RuiChen | morning shaohe_feng | 02:24 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: sorry for trafic jam | 02:24 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: we are talking about the tasks now, do you have anything to tell | 02:24 |
| shaohe_feng | RuiChen: morning . | 02:24 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: I need to know some context. :) | 02:25 |
| RuiChen | would like to see more folks schedule themselves review queue according to the task priority | 02:25 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: hah, ok | 02:25 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: Maybe I can talk with you after meeting. | 02:25 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: sure | 02:25 |
| zhenguo | hi guys, do you have anything to tell here? | 02:25 |
| RuiChen | we are always around in mogan channel | 02:25 |
| RuiChen | :-) | 02:26 |
| zhenguo | lo | 02:26 |
| zhenguo | lol | 02:26 |
| zhenguo | litao: hi, do you want to improve the multi instance creation? | 02:26 |
| litao | yes, maybe need to fix something | 02:27 |
| zhenguo | litao: maybe we need to schedule for all instances first and run the workflow | 02:27 |
| zhenguo | litao: like if there's not enough nodes, you have already created some instances regardless of the min_count | 02:28 |
| litao | but the scheduler process is in the workflow | 02:28 |
| wanghao | litao: I may found an issue in multi instance creation, we can talk it later. | 02:28 |
| zhenguo | litao: I'm thinking to move it out | 02:28 |
| zhenguo | we can just leave the OnFailureRescheduleTask in the workflow maybe | 02:29 |
| litao | ok, that 's fine, I will optimize it | 02:29 |
| zhenguo | thanks | 02:29 |
| litao | wanghao: ok | 02:29 |
| zhenguo | I will focus on configdrive task later | 02:31 |
| litao | did anyone work for moving scheduler out first? | 02:31 |
| zhenguo | litao: maybe I can | 02:31 |
| litao | zhenguo: | 02:31 |
| litao | good | 02:31 |
| zhenguo | litao: in fact, it's part of the whole refactors, lol | 02:32 |
| zhenguo | and the last thing is 'flavor' | 02:32 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: why we are moving shceduler out? | 02:32 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: in fact it just has a execute method now | 02:33 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: we split configdrive? | 02:33 |
| litao | zhenguo: fine | 02:33 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: sorry, so buzy these days, no energy to follow all of you. | 02:33 |
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| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: yes, I would like to land password configdrive first | 02:33 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: greate, let implement it one by one. | 02:34 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: hah, you can try to setup a devstack env, it changed most | 02:34 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: maybe this is a easy way to push a big feature. | 02:34 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng:yes, and we will not support metadata way | 02:34 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: oh, hope no painful to re-setup the devstack. | 02:35 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: hah | 02:35 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: OK. so we also not support metadata server, right? | 02:35 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: yes, | 02:36 |
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| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: as we can't support it :( | 02:36 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: why? we need neutron proxy? | 02:36 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng:yes, and the we will conflict with nova metadata server | 02:37 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: OK. | 02:37 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: but configdrive can meet our requirements as well | 02:37 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: then should we support new keypairs API? | 02:37 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: OK. just support configdrive | 02:38 |
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| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: configdrive is a way to store things like password, keypairs, files | 02:38 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: keypair is a must for us | 02:39 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: yes, we need to store the public key of users. | 02:39 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: so firstly RAS key. then x509, right? | 02:40 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: sounds ok | 02:40 |
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| zhenguo | not sure if you have read this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408151/ | 02:41 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: not yet. | 02:42 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: you have mentioned it. | 02:42 |
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| litao | zhenguo: BTW, should we support list servers by tags？ | 02:42 |
| zhenguo | and this | 02:42 |
| zhenguo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442387/ | 02:42 |
| zhenguo | litao: sure, we should | 02:43 |
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| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: I just seed the result, two -1, and workflow -1 | 02:43 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: so mogan should support instance RAID configuration | 02:44 |
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| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: yes, the author wants us to prepare a spec for RAID configuration as well. | 02:44 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: for mogan comes out for baremetal, right. | 02:44 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: mogan will dedicate for baremetal. | 02:45 |
| zhenguo | maybe they want to see how we handle that | 02:45 |
| zhenguo | for RAID, I think we need to save disks info | 02:45 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: why you not ask the author to prepare a spec for mogan? | 02:46 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: you can invite him. :) | 02:46 |
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| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: and we need more contributors. :) | 02:46 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: he is a nova guy, hah | 02:46 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: if he want want to use a RAID? | 02:47 |
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| zhenguo | if anyone interested in this, please prepare a spec or I can do it later | 02:48 |
| zhenguo | ok, anything else here? | 02:48 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: oh, I know, he does not care the users. He just want to write code, a "Ma nong" in Mandarin. | 02:48 |
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| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: no for me. | 02:49 |
| zhenguo | hah, | 02:49 |
| zhenguo | let's move on | 02:49 |
| zhenguo | #topic open discussion | 02:49 |
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| litao | Ma nong , hah | 02:49 |
| zhenguo | who's got a thing :) | 02:49 |
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| wanghao | oh, I have fixed this issue in quota driver（part 2), that we can move on. | 02:50 |
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| zhenguo | wanghao: oh, thanks | 02:50 |
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| zhenguo | hi guys, do you think we need to change the meeting time to get more people get involved? | 02:52 |
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| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: sounds good. not suer how many people will join us, and where they come from | 02:53 |
| zhenguo | hah, will check with others in our channel later | 02:53 |
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| litao | good | 02:53 |
| zhenguo | seems it's ok for all of us in the meeting now | 02:53 |
| wanghao | we can send a mail in openstack-dev for this | 02:53 |
| zhenguo | sure | 02:54 |
| zhenguo | but as we have moved to openstack-meeting, not sure if the time slots is good fit for us | 02:54 |
| wanghao | if some 'lao wai' want to join us, he can select a time. | 02:54 |
| shaohe_feng | litao: IMHO, a really good engineer need to consider which is the way to implement user's requirement. That's the differance between "Ma Nong" :) | 02:54 |
| zhenguo | if not, we can keep this | 02:55 |
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| wanghao | zhenguo: yes | 02:55 |
| zhenguo | ok, anything else? | 02:55 |
| shaohe_feng | no | 02:55 |
| litao | shaohe_feng: yes | 02:55 |
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| zhenguo | ok, it's almost time | 02:56 |
| zhenguo | thanks y'all | 02:56 |
| zhenguo | #endmeeting | 02:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 23 02:56:45 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-03-23-02.00.html | 02:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-03-23-02.00.txt | 02:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-03-23-02.00.log.html | 02:56 |
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| eumel8 | morning | 06:58 |
| ianychoi | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 07:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 23 07:00:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 07:00 |
| ianychoi | #topic greeting | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "greeting (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:00 | |
| ianychoi | eumel8, hi :) | 07:00 |
| eumel8 | greeting | 07:00 |
| eumel8 | :) | 07:00 |
| ianychoi | Seems that many translators are busy on their primark work | 07:01 |
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| eumel8 | it seems so | 07:02 |
| ianychoi | How are your things going, eumel8? | 07:02 |
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| eumel8 | Met Heidi Bretz yesterday at Cebit in Hanover | 07:03 |
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| eumel8 | a small openstack event with some talks | 07:04 |
| eumel8 | https://twitter.com/tsystemscom/status/844123555570835456 | 07:04 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, wow I met her in 2015 Tokyo Summit! | 07:04 |
| eumel8 | yes, we took a small interview and prepared something for her keynote | 07:05 |
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| ianychoi | Wow nice | 07:05 |
| ianychoi | Hmm for me I am now in vacation | 07:05 |
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| ianychoi | Actually it is not a vacation because I have brought my laptop | 07:06 |
| eumel8 | oh good | 07:06 |
| ianychoi | Let's move on today topic although there are only two | 07:07 |
| eumel8 | enjoy it to recharge energy | 07:07 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, thanks :) | 07:07 |
| eumel8 | ok | 07:07 |
| ianychoi | #topic Boston Summit & Forum preparation | 07:07 |
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| ianychoi | For Summit presentations, I think we might need to talk with zzxwill | 07:08 |
| eumel8 | yes! | 07:08 |
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| eumel8 | definitly | 07:08 |
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| ianychoi | I think your draft presentation looks so nice :) | 07:08 |
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| eumel8 | I prepared and shared some slides from me, but I'm not sure id this the right way because it's my first talk :-) | 07:09 |
| jftalta | Hi | 07:09 |
| eumel8 | hi jftalta! | 07:09 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, me is also the first talk in OpenStack Summit | 07:09 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, hi! | 07:09 |
| eumel8 | really? | 07:09 |
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| ianychoi | We are discussing now oon Boston Summit & Forum preparation | 07:09 |
| jftalta | for me to ! | 07:09 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, yep - except that I18n contributors meetup - it is not a presentation | 07:10 |
| ianychoi | Maybe additional meetings for preparation would be needed? | 07:10 |
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| eumel8 | yes | 07:11 |
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| ianychoi | Let's consider the meeting on April | 07:11 |
| eumel8 | maybe over the weekend or which timeframe match for you | 07:11 |
| AndChat|159600 | sorry, I got disconnected | 07:11 |
| ianychoi | AndChat|159600, fine (assuming that you are jftalta ) | 07:12 |
| eumel8 | jftalta: you need a better connection in the train ;) | 07:12 |
| AndChat|159600 | you're right :) | 07:12 |
| AndChat|159600 | don't know why my pseudo has changed | 07:13 |
| ianychoi | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/ | 07:13 |
| ianychoi | For forum, the official submission is now open | 07:13 |
| AndChat|159600 | emeul8, definitely yes ! | 07:13 |
| ianychoi | The due is April 2nd | 07:13 |
| ianychoi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-I18n-brainstorming | 07:14 |
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| ianychoi | One topic written is a good target for Forum I think | 07:14 |
| eumel8 | question again: when is the Forum? | 07:15 |
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| ianychoi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum | 07:15 |
| jftalta | I've recovered my pseudo | 07:16 |
| eumel8 | http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/6 translation logs is a topic? | 07:16 |
| jftalta | not for me ;) | 07:16 |
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| eumel8 | just wondering | 07:17 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, the topic is for "log translation removal" | 07:17 |
| ianychoi | such as log nova messages, trove log messages, and so on | 07:17 |
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| eumel8 | ianychoi: as I can see there is no exact timetable for the Forum, isn't it? | 07:17 |
| ianychoi | it implies to remove all translation support code implementations in upstream codes | 07:17 |
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| eumel8 | yes, I've read the thread on dev list | 07:18 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, the timetable will be announced after finalizing the topic I think, and I have heard that Forum will finish on Thu | 07:18 |
| jftalta | yes, it will | 07:19 |
| ianychoi | And.. another possible good topic for I18n might be "Moving more forward on official I18n team from defining i18n-core" | 07:19 |
| ianychoi | How do you think, eumel8 and jftalta ? | 07:19 |
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| ianychoi | I am still be a little bit confused how to best deal with i18n-cores and language coordinators with translation activities | 07:20 |
| jftalta | I understand. +1 | 07:20 |
| ianychoi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2017-March/002851.html | 07:20 |
| ianychoi | Also, I booked a room for project on-boarding with Docs team | 07:21 |
| ianychoi | I think Boston Summit would be the best Summit for I18n with various presentations, topics, and discussions | 07:21 |
| jftalta | agree | 07:22 |
| eumel8 | agree | 07:22 |
| ianychoi | Encouraging participation would be needed but I do not know too much how to do such things.. | 07:22 |
| ianychoi | If you have some idea, please share with me or i18n mailing list | 07:23 |
| jftalta | ok | 07:23 |
| eumel8 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-I18n-brainstorming | 07:23 |
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| ianychoi | #topic Translation checksite using OpenStackAnsible | 07:25 |
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| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440825/ | 07:27 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, thanks a lot for your update | 07:27 |
| ianychoi | Would you also reply comments with 'Done'? | 07:27 |
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| eumel8 | as I already mentioned I worked on the spec and awaiting the next reviews | 07:27 |
| eumel8 | ok | 07:28 |
| jftalta | tunnels. I will vanish a while :( | 07:28 |
| eumel8 | just wondering | 07:28 |
| ianychoi | And as Andreas mentioned, | 07:28 |
| ianychoi | nits on the end of end line need to be removed | 07:28 |
| eumel8 | it's already in in patchset 2? | 07:28 |
| ianychoi | Replying with 'Done' is a kind of polite ways in Gerrit communication - I have learned it from Upstream training | 07:30 |
| eumel8 | ah, okay | 07:30 |
| eumel8 | thx | 07:30 |
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| eumel8 | found the button and my idea was, small fixes are done with done | 07:30 |
| ianychoi | No problem :) | 07:30 |
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| ianychoi | Yep we can evolve and evolve :) | 07:31 |
| eumel8 | *g* | 07:31 |
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| ianychoi | I will go back home next Wednesday so I may not be able to more look on translation check-site | 07:32 |
| ianychoi | But... I have seen that Docs team will create a stable branch (Ocata) for openstack-manuals | 07:33 |
| eumel8 | ok | 07:33 |
| ianychoi | I will follow to create a stable-ocata version by the end of this week or the early of the next week | 07:33 |
| ianychoi | Then I may be able to see your patch in details :) | 07:33 |
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| ianychoi | But genereally I want to support on eumel8 's idea with OpenStackAnsible | 07:35 |
| eumel8 | yes, thx. I think we need also support from the OpenStackAnsible team | 07:35 |
| ianychoi | Yep :) | 07:36 |
| ianychoi | #topic Review requests on openstack/i18n & openstack/i18n-specs repository | 07:36 |
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| eumel8 | one question for me is implementing modules. which modules and how | 07:36 |
| ianychoi | #undo | 07:36 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic Review requests on openstack/i18n & openstack/i18n-specs repository | 07:36 |
| ianychoi | Hmm, modules? | 07:36 |
| ianychoi | It means.. ansible modules for translation checksite? | 07:37 |
| eumel8 | #link https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tripleo-ui/tree/i18n/locales | 07:37 |
| eumel8 | implementation in OpenStackAnsible | 07:38 |
| eumel8 | have to check this | 07:38 |
| jftalta | I'm back... | 07:38 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, welcome back :) | 07:38 |
| eumel8 | wb | 07:38 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, json files? | 07:38 |
| jftalta | ;) | 07:38 |
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| eumel8 | ianychoi: in devstack it's clear to fetch all the additional repos to build the dashboard with plugins. In OpenStackAnsible there are not so many. It's not really clear for me how it's working. | 07:40 |
| jftalta | what's the current topic ? | 07:41 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, translation checksite | 07:41 |
| jftalta | ok, thx | 07:41 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, I see. My current approach is just from current supported & available plugins need to be considered first | 07:42 |
| ianychoi | and then next for others :) | 07:42 |
| eumel8 | yes | 07:42 |
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| ianychoi | Okay.. then, move on the next topic? | 07:43 |
| eumel8 | yes | 07:43 |
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| ianychoi | #topic Review requests on openstack/i18n & openstack/i18n-specs repository | 07:44 |
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| ianychoi | Actually, I do not contribute too much on i18n-specs: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/i18n-specs | 07:45 |
| ianychoi | since there is no review on my minor readme modification T-T | 07:45 |
| ianychoi | But less review status is not just applied to i18n-specs but also i18n repo | 07:45 |
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| ianychoi | Maybe too many repos in i18n team would not be a good idea? | 07:46 |
| eumel8 | I think so, because we contribute more in other repos: infra, docs.... | 07:47 |
| ianychoi | It is a little bit related to official team status | 07:48 |
| ianychoi | Most official team now uses specs.o.o | 07:48 |
| ianychoi | I orginally thought that blueprints were not updated well because I18n team did not have specs repo | 07:49 |
| ianychoi | It might be wrong? | 07:49 |
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| eumel8 | not sure. you need support for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/413146/ ? | 07:50 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, yes i18n-specs is our official repo so I do not go forward without 2 +2s | 07:50 |
| eumel8 | ok, I will do | 07:51 |
| ianychoi | I have some ideas related with language coordinators - encouraging language coordinators to review both i18n and i18n-specs as a kind of requirements for the status would be a good idea? | 07:52 |
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| eumel8 | yes, that sounds good | 07:52 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, your thoughts? | 07:52 |
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| jftalta | agree | 07:54 |
| ianychoi | Thanks for your opinion | 07:55 |
| ianychoi | It might be better for I18n team to also discuss in Forum | 07:55 |
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| ianychoi | #topic open discussions | 07:56 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, AndChat|159600 : anything else to be discussed from you? | 07:57 |
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| eumel8 | no, I think time is already over | 07:57 |
| AndChat|159600 | no, not for me | 07:57 |
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| eumel8 | will start to work on reviews | 07:57 |
| AndChat|159600 | and me on the Boston talk this weekend | 07:58 |
| eumel8 | yes, thx, have a nice day/evening! | 07:58 |
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| AndChat|159600 | a nice day to ! see you. | 07:59 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, AndChat|159600 thx a lot for today meeting | 07:59 |
| ianychoi | See you next IRC meeting and also in Boston! | 07:59 |
| eumel8 | thx ianychoi | 07:59 |
| AndChat|159600 | sure ! | 07:59 |
| ianychoi | #endmeeting | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 23 08:00:36 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-03-23-07.00.html | 08:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-03-23-07.00.txt | 08:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-03-23-07.00.log.html | 08:00 |
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| gmann | #startmeeting qa | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 23 09:00:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 09:00 |
| gmann | who all here today? | 09:00 |
| masayukig | \o | 09:00 |
| ltosky[m] | o/ | 09:00 |
| chandankumar | \o | 09:00 |
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| martinkopec | o/ | 09:01 |
| gmann | hello everyone | 09:01 |
| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_March_23rd_2017_.280900_UTC.29 | 09:01 |
| gmann | ^^ today agenda | 09:01 |
| felipemonteiro_ | o/ | 09:01 |
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| zhufl | hello | 09:01 |
| gmann | #topic Previous Meeting Action review | 09:01 |
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| gmann | there was action item for jordan for ML on mem allcoation | 09:02 |
| gmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114235.html | 09:02 |
| gmann | seems like there are many patches to shrink the mem failure peak | 09:02 |
| gmann | but most of the failure from API tests mainly attach/detach volume | 09:03 |
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| gmann | ll discuss that in gate topic | 09:03 |
| gmann | #topic The Forum, Boston | 09:03 |
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| gmann | so there are 2 forum/sessions in Boston | 09:04 |
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| gmann | 1. Onboarding sessiosn #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-QA-onboarding | 09:04 |
| gmann | this will be 90 min slot with combined with QA/infra/stable/release team | 09:05 |
| gmann | and requirement team | 09:06 |
| gmann | we will have around 15-20 min slot per each team | 09:06 |
| gmann | this is more to talk and show project scope and visibility for new contributors in summit | 09:06 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-QA-onboarding | 09:06 |
| gmann | ideas for that is here ^^ | 09:06 |
| masayukig | gmann: ok, but it looks like the number of ideas are too much for the time.. | 09:07 |
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| chandankumar | gmann: are these sessions going to be recorded? | 09:07 |
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| gmann | yea, i also thought we should have separate 90 min but i think andreaf is ok with 15-20 min :) | 09:07 |
| gmann | chandankumar: do not know. it will be classroom type sessions | 09:07 |
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| gmann | actually there were room shortage and had to merge with those 5 team. | 09:08 |
| prateek | gmann, would those be practical hands on sessions or more on the theory side ? | 09:08 |
| gmann | let's see how many new contributor we can get from there | 09:08 |
| gmann | prateek: theory due to time limits | 09:08 |
| prateek | gmann, ok.. | 09:09 |
| masayukig | gmann: yeah.. | 09:09 |
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| gmann | but there will be open area which we can use for team and new contributor and for hands on if they want | 09:09 |
| ltosky[m] | So a big list of RTFM, given the time? :) | 09:09 |
| prateek | gmann, sounds good | 09:09 |
| gmann | yea we have to manage with that. | 09:09 |
| gmann | 2. Brainstorming Forum | 09:10 |
| gmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114399.html | 09:10 |
| gmann | these will be more cross projects, dev-ops like and each team needs to submit their proposal and selection team will schedule those by april 10 | 09:11 |
| gmann | deadline to submit sessions is april 2nd | 09:11 |
| gmann | there is etherpad andreaf created to gether the ideas #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114399.html | 09:11 |
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| gmann | please updates you ideas on that. | 09:11 |
| masayukig | gmann: the link of the etherpad? | 09:12 |
| gmann | as 2nd april is just after next meeting i am putting Ai for andreaf | 09:12 |
| gmann | sorry | 09:12 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-QA-brainstorming | 09:12 |
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| masayukig | gmann: thx :) | 09:13 |
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| gmann | #action andreaf to propose the Forum sessions before 2nd april on #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/ | 09:13 |
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| gmann | current proposed sessions can be seen here #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/ | 09:13 |
| * andreaf o/ | 09:13 | |
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| gmann | andreaf: just put AI for you on Forum sessions submission | 09:14 |
| andreaf | gmann: yeah sure | 09:14 |
| gmann | andreaf: any idea how long those sessions will be ? | 09:14 |
| andreaf | gmann: uhm good question I have to check - I think it said in some ML | 09:15 |
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| gmann | ok | 09:15 |
| andreaf | gmann: it's an opportunity to talk with openstack users / operators - so I like the idea of a session about downstream use of tempest plugins and other qa tools | 09:15 |
| andreaf | gmann: there's still a bit of time to propose things in the etherpad, if you do please put your name as well :) | 09:16 |
| gmann | yea we can get valuable (good/bad) feedaback from them | 09:16 |
| gmann | andreaf: yea | 09:17 |
| andreaf | gmann: yeah thanks for proposing that idea on the etherpad | 09:17 |
| gmann | thanks :) | 09:17 |
| gmann | andreaf: and for Onboarding sessions, 15-20 min enough ? | 09:17 |
| chandankumar | andreaf: gmann are we keeping brainstome topic on etherpad somewhere? | 09:17 |
| chandankumar | i mean forum topics | 09:17 |
| gmann | chandankumar: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-QA-brainstorming | 09:17 |
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| gmann | andreaf: or we catch interested contributor in open area and explain them in more details ? | 09:18 |
| chandankumar | gmann: sorry i mean forum topics | 09:18 |
| andreaf | gmann: yeah well I initially thought we could use 90 min - but since it's a class type of setting I think it will be more more presentation + q&a style | 09:18 |
| * masayukig is worried about that some operator might say "Tempest is totally crap!" :-p | 09:18 | |
| gmann | chandankumar: those are Fourm topic only | 09:18 |
| chandankumar | gmann: ack, i will add some more thoughts there | 09:19 |
| gmann | masayukig: heh, that will be nice and opportunity to convince or improve ourself | 09:19 |
| masayukig | gmann: heh, yeah | 09:19 |
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| andreaf | gmann: yeah my idea is to do a quick presentation and hopefully attract contributors | 09:19 |
| gmann | andreaf: ok, but now we cannot get more time right | 09:19 |
| gmann | masayukig: we will miss Jordan in those cases :) | 09:19 |
| andreaf | gmann: yeah 15min should be enough for a presentation | 09:20 |
| andreaf | LoL | 09:20 |
| gmann | andreaf: cool, some fancy slides is expected :) | 09:20 |
| gmann | ok so please put more and more ideas there | 09:20 |
| gmann | #topic Gate Stability - status update | 09:20 |
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| andreaf | masayukig, gmann: we did a lot of effort over the years to make tempest better for downstream usage - so any constructive input about where to improve things is welcome | 09:20 |
| gmann | yea | 09:21 |
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| gmann | gate status -> #link https://goo.gl/ptPgEw | 09:21 |
| masayukig | andreaf: yup | 09:21 |
| jordanP | (hi, I am late) | 09:21 |
| gmann | jordanP: hi | 09:21 |
| gmann | so its little bit high failure from tomorrow | 09:21 |
| gmann | main failure on attach detach API tests seems | 09:22 |
| andreaf | jordanP: right on time! do you having anything to share about the gate and memory footprint? | 09:22 |
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| gmann | should we short list the heavy API tests like scenario tests ? | 09:22 |
| jordanP | humm there's the "reduce the number of apache workers" and "enable ksm in guest" devstack patches | 09:23 |
| jordanP | don't know what the status of those are | 09:23 |
| jordanP | I've not be following the gate stability lately, is it as bad as usual ? | 09:23 |
| gmann | one is merged - #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446741/ | 09:23 |
| andreaf | jordanP: well it's decent but not as good as it should | 09:24 |
| gmann | yea | 09:24 |
| jordanP | #link reduce number of apache workers for keystone: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445910/ | 09:24 |
| gmann | ksm one is up -> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447119/ | 09:24 |
| jordanP | the patch that disable nova-cert in gate jobs has been merged | 09:25 |
| andreaf | another thing I saw in the conversation was that apparently the py35 job is doing much better in term of memory footprint - it does not run swift which is part of it, but perhaps py35 is doing a better job in terms of memory mgmt | 09:25 |
| gmann | oh we still had that? | 09:25 |
| jordanP | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446986/ | 09:25 |
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| gmann | jordanP: thanks | 09:25 |
| jordanP | that saves only 50Mo of RAM thought, but it's still good | 09:26 |
| andreaf | I would like to propose a session in the forum about how to control / monitor over time the footprint of different services in the gate | 09:26 |
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| jordanP | +1 | 09:27 |
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| gmann | andreaf: +1 | 09:27 |
| masayukig | ++ | 09:27 |
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| chandankumar | that would be awesome ++ | 09:27 |
| andreaf | ideas around that are welcome, if you have please add them in the etherpad :) | 09:27 |
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| andreaf | atm we have a lot of data but I feel perhaps not the right one so if's not obvious what'a using what and how things are changing over time | 09:28 |
| andreaf | if we had historical data we could see if a service is regressing significantly in terms of memory footprint | 09:28 |
| jordanP | lot of data is good, making sense of them is harder | 09:29 |
| gmann | andreaf: putting those on graphite ? to monitor periodically | 09:29 |
| andreaf | the issue with few data points is that there is so much variation in the test nodes that it's hard to tell | 09:29 |
| andreaf | gmann: yeah graphite of somewhere we can see that data over time | 09:29 |
| jordanP | well for eachand every runnning service we can ask ouselves "do we really need this" ? | 09:29 |
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| ltosky[m] | but with enough data it should be possible to group by node type | 09:29 |
| andreaf | ltosky[m]: yeah if we have data over time we can work with it | 09:30 |
| jordanP | I suggested in a ML email to kill a couple of unecessary swift services | 09:31 |
| jordanP | the ones related to replication and reconcialiation | 09:31 |
| andreaf | jordanP: thanks | 09:31 |
| jordanP | I have less and less time to work on openstack so I won't do it myself | 09:31 |
| jordanP | but I think we can save at least 100 Mo there | 09:32 |
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| masayukig | jordanP: :( and :) | 09:32 |
| andreaf | I'd like to think we can keep better control on the status of our test nodes on a regular basis, because now we are doing a lot of effort in addressing this from many sides | 09:32 |
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| gmann | how about enabling services from job definition ? may be hard to configure each job | 09:33 |
| andreaf | but one we are back in good shape we should have means to stay there | 09:33 |
| jordanP | sure sure, would love to have this plotted in Graphite and all, but the house is on fire :) | 09:33 |
| andreaf | jordanP: yeah that's why I say this could be a session for the forum for the mid term | 09:34 |
| jordanP | yep, sounds goo | 09:34 |
| gmann | or shrink the default enabled services ... | 09:35 |
| masayukig | so, 25 mins.. | 09:35 |
| gmann | anyways let's move and keep monitor failure | 09:35 |
| gmann | #topic Specs Reviews | 09:35 |
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| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 09:35 |
| gmann | spec state seems same so if no one has anything we will move next ? | 09:36 |
| gmann | #topic Tempest | 09:36 |
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| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+status:open | 09:36 |
| gmann | ^^ open reviews | 09:36 |
| gmann | one update was oomichi removed the cinder v1 tests | 09:37 |
| chandankumar | gmann: https://review.openstack.org/370630 | 09:37 |
| chandankumar | review needs feedback | 09:37 |
| gmann | and working on merging v2 and v3 one | 09:37 |
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| chandankumar | gmann: and tempest cleanup doc patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444041/ | 09:38 |
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| gmann | chandankumar: ll check but tomorrow | 09:38 |
| gmann | chandankumar: thanks | 09:38 |
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| gmann | Bug Triage: | 09:38 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-qa-bug-triage | 09:38 |
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| gmann | chandankumar: had rotation this week | 09:39 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-weekly-bug-report | 09:39 |
| gmann | chandankumar: go ahead | 09:39 |
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| chandankumar | gmann: some small higlights | 09:39 |
| chandankumar | Bugs with no reply from assignee from last 6 months are unassigned with a comment. (Mostly from wishlist) | 09:39 |
| chandankumar | Added a new tag'upstream-gate' to list only upstream tempest gate failure bugs | 09:39 |
| gmann | upstream-gate ? | 09:40 |
| chandankumar | New Bugs: 11 -> 8 | 09:40 |
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| gmann | you mean failure on gate with that tag? | 09:40 |
| chandankumar | gmann: failure ongate with that gate | 09:40 |
| gmann | k | 09:40 |
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| chandankumar | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Bug_Tags list bug tags for different project | 09:41 |
| chandankumar | tempest is missing there so i add it there by EOD | 09:41 |
| gmann | chandankumar: yea assignee things you can cleanup by leaving a comment there | 09:41 |
| chandankumar | gmann: cleaned already | 09:41 |
| chandankumar | as discussed in the mornign | 09:41 |
| chandankumar | *morning | 09:41 |
| gmann | thanks | 09:41 |
| gmann | chandankumar: did see tempest tag on that wiki | 09:41 |
| gmann | next rotation is prateek | 09:42 |
| gmann | #topic Patrole | 09:42 |
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| prateek | gmann, ack | 09:42 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/patrole | 09:42 |
| gmann | prateek: thanks | 09:42 |
| chandankumar | gmann: one more thing * https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1672817 | 09:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1672817 in tempest "Mapping client is needed for v3/OS-FEDERATION/mappings API" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Nicolas Helgeson (nhelgeson) | 09:42 |
| chandankumar | * https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1504641 | 09:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1504641 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Listing volumes respects osapi_max_limit but does not provide a link to the next element" [Wishlist,New] | 09:42 |
| gmann | felipemonteiro_: ^^ | 09:42 |
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| chandankumar | needs be moved to wishlist | 09:43 |
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| gmann | chandankumar: ok, leave comment also ll check later | 09:43 |
| felipemonteiro_ | we've achieved much higher gate stability, with both gates now passing, but we're still watching them carefully | 09:43 |
| chandankumar | that's it from myside | 09:43 |
| jordanP | good work chandankumar, thanks | 09:43 |
| gmann | chandankumar: thanks. nice effort | 09:43 |
| chandankumar | jordanP: gmann you are welcome :-) | 09:44 |
| felipemonteiro_ | idea is to keep monitoring them, fix errant bugs, and make admin gate voting (within our project), after we are confident it is stable | 09:44 |
| gmann | felipemonteiro_: any plan to run patrole tests on project side ? | 09:44 |
| felipemonteiro_ | gmann: what do you mean by "project side"? | 09:44 |
| gmann | felipemonteiro_: on project gate job like nova | 09:45 |
| jordanP | I am not huge +1 gmann on this. We would need to weight the pros and cons | 09:45 |
| gmann | felipemonteiro_: so that any mis changes on policy side can be detected bu patrole at same time | 09:45 |
| jordanP | like this may mean a lot of more infra VMs | 09:45 |
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| gmann | jordanP: sure but policy testing is really critical | 09:45 |
| felipemonteiro_ | gmann: ultimately yes, but only once high stability is achieved. for nova, for example, i think i've seen 1 failure related to attach volume | 09:45 |
| gmann | and i am 100% sure many projects miss those currently | 09:46 |
| felipemonteiro_ | but nova tests are otherwise among the most stable | 09:46 |
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| andreaf | gmann, jordanP, felipemonteiro_: I think this is something that needs to be discussed with the projects | 09:46 |
| jordanP | +1 | 09:46 |
| gmann | felipemonteiro_: ok let's judge that later once it is stable | 09:46 |
| felipemonteiro_ | andreaf: agreed | 09:46 |
| andreaf | if we get one or two onboard and showcase benefits we can propose for more | 09:46 |
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| gmann | andreaf: yea i discussed in nova api meeting yesterday and can be decide later once patrole is stable | 09:47 |
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| chandankumar | andreaf: gmann can we get a nightly job which run one time with all the tempest plugins with all scenario tests to detect plugin tempest issues? | 09:47 |
| chandankumar | jordanP: ^^ | 09:47 |
| gmann | felipemonteiro_: i updated comment on discovery policy testing. that is kind of deprecated policy from nova side so not worth to tests | 09:47 |
| gmann | chandankumar: and can that finish since morning :) | 09:48 |
| andreaf | chandankumar: we are talking about patrole now? | 09:48 |
| chandankumar | gmann: andreaf sorry i missed it | 09:48 |
| gmann | felipemonteiro_: thanks for updates. | 09:48 |
| felipemonteiro_ | gmann: thanks! that was my assumption, so i hadn't invested more energy in it | 09:48 |
| gmann | let's move as time is short | 09:48 |
| gmann | #topic DevStack | 09:48 |
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| gmann | anything on devstack side? | 09:48 |
| andreaf | gmann: well one sec please | 09:49 |
| gmann | andreaf: sure | 09:49 |
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| andreaf | regarding patrole I just wanted to say that if we wait too much it will never be stable enough since project may break it | 09:50 |
| andreaf | so yes we might need to wait a little bit I would start and try to get non voting jobs up for some projects | 09:50 |
| andreaf | regarding chandankumar question about plugins | 09:50 |
| gmann | andreaf: yea for n-v +1. but putting non stable tests it might trigger false alarm on them | 09:50 |
| felipemonteiro_ | andreaf: we've started discussing it with keystone, we can go to nova and other projects. but we just got "high stability" a few days ago | 09:51 |
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| gmann | but yea i am ok for nova to start if tests results are pretty stable | 09:51 |
| andreaf | felipemonteiro_: ok thanks | 09:51 |
| gmann | because we are changing the policy things there and should not break existing way | 09:51 |
| gmann | felipemonteiro_: cool, thanks | 09:52 |
| andreaf | gmann: sorry there was a question from chandankumar re plugins as well | 09:52 |
| andreaf | chandankumar: running all plugins means running all services as well, I don't think that's feasible | 09:52 |
| gmann | andreaf: yea but with all plugins i am afraid it will run till morning | 09:52 |
| gmann | and night job means? its day for somewhere :) | 09:52 |
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| andreaf | gmann, chandankumar: and we have an issue without any plugin to keep the memory footprint in place | 09:53 |
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| gmann | yea | 09:53 |
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| * gmann 7 min left | 09:53 | |
| chandankumar | andreaf: but i am taking about a one time a day or a week scheduled job | 09:54 |
| andreaf | gmann: sorry back to you | 09:54 |
| andreaf | chandankumar: I don't think that will work at all | 09:54 |
| gmann | anything on devstack from anyone? | 09:54 |
| gmann | chandankumar: let's discuss more on qa on this. sorry | 09:54 |
| andreaf | chandankumar: let's chat in QA after the meeting | 09:54 |
| gmann | yea | 09:54 |
| chandankumar | andreaf: gmann sure i will ping after an hour, switching to other call | 09:54 |
| gmann | let's move to next then | 09:54 |
| gmann | #topic Upgrade Testing | 09:54 |
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| gmann | Grenade | 09:55 |
| gmann | Rolling upgrade | 09:55 |
| gmann | andreaf: you know if any spec up for those? | 09:55 |
| andreaf | gmann: no I haven't heard anything back from the osic folks | 09:55 |
| gmann | sdague: was looking for those i think | 09:55 |
| gmann | luzC: ^^ | 09:56 |
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| gmann | ok let's jump to o-h | 09:56 |
| gmann | #topic OpenStack-Health, Stackviz | 09:56 |
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| gmann | masayukig: ^^ any updates you want to bring in | 09:56 |
| masayukig | yeah, I pushed a patch to change the default range at home page of o-h | 09:57 |
| masayukig | the first page loading should be quicker than before | 09:57 |
| gmann | masayukig: nice and what will be dafault now | 09:57 |
| masayukig | and I pushed another patch for the rss | 09:57 |
| gmann | nice | 09:58 |
| masayukig | It could be useful to know the failure in the gate | 09:58 |
| gmann | masayukig: link? | 09:58 |
| masayukig | one sec | 09:58 |
| gmann | masayukig: no prob you can give later | 09:58 |
| masayukig | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444722/ | 09:59 |
| masayukig | heh | 09:59 |
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| masayukig | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444722/ | 09:59 |
| gmann | masayukig: thanks | 09:59 |
| gmann | anything else? | 09:59 |
| masayukig | that all | 09:59 |
| gmann | #topic Destructive Testing | 09:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Destructive Testing (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:59 | |
| gmann | masayukig: thanks for all nice updates | 09:59 |
| * masayukig one min.. | 09:59 | |
| gmann | on destructive testing samP updated offline that he is working with different different stack holder to get the user story | 10:00 |
| gmann | and will update the spec | 10:00 |
| gmann | i think time up, sorry i have to close | 10:00 |
| gmann | thanks all, let's jump to QA | 10:00 |
| gmann | #endmeeting QA | 10:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 10:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 23 10:00:55 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-03-23-09.00.html | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-03-23-09.00.txt | 10:00 |
| masayukig | thanks | 10:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-03-23-09.00.log.html | 10:01 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 23 14:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
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| mriedem | well hello | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| sfinucan | o/ | 14:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 14:00 |
| * bauzas ohai | 14:01 | |
| jroll | \o | 14:01 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:01 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:01 |
| gcb | o/ | 14:01 |
| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 14:01 |
| mriedem | #topic release news | 14:01 |
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| mriedem | #link Pike release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Pike_Release_Schedule | 14:01 |
| mriedem | #info next upcoming milestone: Apr 13: p-1 milestone, Nova Spec Freeze | 14:02 |
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| mriedem | so 3 weeks away | 14:02 |
| mriedem | #info Blueprints: 59 targeted, 35 approved | 14:02 |
| mriedem | and 1 completed | 14:02 |
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| mriedem | #info Open spec reviews: 111 (down 6 from last week) | 14:02 |
| mriedem | so we have a lot of open specs | 14:02 |
| mriedem | personally i haven't been doing a great job of reviewing new specs, | 14:03 |
| mriedem | i've been feeling a bit overwhelmed by what we already have going | 14:03 |
| mriedem | but that's just me | 14:03 |
| mriedem | anything for the release? | 14:03 |
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| mriedem | #topic bugs | 14:03 |
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| mriedem | no critical bugs | 14:03 |
| mriedem | gate status | 14:04 |
| mriedem | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 14:04 |
| mriedem | things have been ok | 14:04 |
| mriedem | jbernard was asking about the ceph job yesterday so it sounds like that is starting to move again | 14:04 |
| mriedem | he's working on the whitelist | 14:04 |
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| mriedem | 3rd party CI | 14:04 |
| mriedem | #link 3rd party CI status http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 14:04 |
| mriedem | vmware nsx ci continues to have some issues, i noticed it voting on long merged patches again yesterday | 14:05 |
| mriedem | but i'm told they are working on it | 14:05 |
| mriedem | any bugs anyone wants to bring up? | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: its not just you, was feeling the same when looking through the specs | 14:05 |
| mriedem | cool, misery loves company :) | 14:05 |
| * johnthetubaguy nods | 14:05 | |
| johnthetubaguy | :) | 14:05 |
| bauzas | spec review day maybe then ? | 14:05 |
| mriedem | bauzas: yeah probably should | 14:06 |
| mriedem | looking at dates we could do next week, or the first week of april | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | a big push might help some | 14:06 |
| mriedem | which then gives people about another week to address comments | 14:06 |
| bauzas | yup | 14:06 |
| dansmith | first day of april would be good | 14:06 |
| mriedem | wrong! | 14:06 |
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| bauzas | heh, was about to say foolish :p | 14:06 |
| dansmith | ah, dang that's a saturday | 14:06 |
| mriedem | yeah | 14:06 |
| mriedem | ha | 14:07 |
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| dansmith | I could really go hog wild on that | 14:07 |
| mriedem | next week isn't good for me, travling | 14:07 |
| mriedem | *traveling | 14:07 |
| mriedem | so how about 4/4? | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:07 |
| bauzas | wfm | 14:07 |
| mriedem | #agreed spec review day on April 4th | 14:08 |
| mriedem | #topic reminders | 14:08 |
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| mriedem | #link Pike Review Priorities etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:08 |
| mriedem | #link Forum planning: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Boston2017 | 14:08 |
| mriedem | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Nova-brainstorming Forum discussion planning for nova (add your name if you are going) | 14:08 |
| mriedem | those are all a bit old | 14:08 |
| mriedem | the important one now is: | 14:08 |
| mriedem | #info EOD April 2: deadline for Forum topic submission: http://forumtopics.openstack.org/ | 14:08 |
| bauzas | I added a section for ad-hoc possible discussions | 14:09 |
| bauzas | around tables | 14:09 |
| bauzas | in case we need that tho :) | 14:09 |
| mriedem | there are topics up there for cells v2 and hierarchical quotas, and other things that involve nova | 14:09 |
| mriedem | i'm meaning to submit a forum sessions about placement, | 14:09 |
| mriedem | i'm not entirely sure what it will say, or content, since jaypipes is already doing 2 talks on placement, but i guess this can be the cross-project, plus users and operators, to ask low-level details, or talk about roadmap stuff and current progress | 14:10 |
| bauzas | well | 14:10 |
| bauzas | jay's talks are more presentations | 14:10 |
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| bauzas | I was expecting kind of interactions with our lovely operators at the Forum | 14:10 |
| mriedem | i also expect ops and users to be at jay's talks | 14:10 |
| bauzas | sure | 14:10 |
| mriedem | and one of them is high level and one is low level | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I was trying to get a group of things in a cross project-ey way | 14:10 |
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| mriedem | anyway, we probably need to talk about claims in the scheduler there anyway | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | let me get the etherpad of that session plan | 14:11 |
| bauzas | but Q&A for 5-10 mins is maybe too short for that big prezo :) | 14:11 |
| mriedem | we didn't talk about claims in the scheduler at the PTG, | 14:11 |
| mriedem | and i feel like that's a big new thing that sort of exploded on the schedule in short order | 14:11 |
| bauzas | mriedem: I wrote a start of a draft around that | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-TC-vm-baremetal-platform | 14:11 |
| bauzas | (and a spec) | 14:11 |
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| cdent | if we can virtualize and forum discussion on claims, that would be fantastic | 14:12 |
| bauzas | I need cycling around the current concerns and prividing a new PS for that claims spec | 14:12 |
| cdent | s/and/any/ | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: bauzas: would it be worth some virtual meet up for a few hours to deal with claims? | 14:12 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: yeah probably | 14:12 |
| bauzas | well | 14:12 |
| mriedem | for me at least | 14:12 |
| bauzas | the main problem is space | 14:12 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: are you suggesting a hangout? | 14:12 |
| bauzas | I would be happy with, but where ? | 14:12 |
| mriedem | or at the forum? | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was thinking a google hangout, yeah | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean virtual rather than physical | 14:13 |
| mriedem | pre-summit | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:13 |
| bauzas | ah | 14:13 |
| mriedem | yes i'm good with that | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | I'm good too | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems a worthy experiment | 14:13 |
| bauzas | I just wanted to insuflate thoughts on that pre-Queens | 14:13 |
| mriedem | #agreed have a hangout pre-forum about claims in the scheduler | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | hence the Super-WIP (c) me spec | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | now we might *need* a forum chat, but we can try fix that sooner | 14:13 |
| mriedem | #action mriedem to submit a placement/scheduler/claims forum session | 14:14 |
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| mriedem | my concern is the agreement in the ML was claims in the scheduler are now a top priority, | 14:14 |
| mriedem | but i don't have an understanding of it at all, | 14:14 |
| mriedem | so i'd like to talk about it before i have to review it :) | 14:14 |
| bauzas | wait, what? | 14:14 |
| bauzas | anyway, off-meeting | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | we need it pre-split | 14:15 |
| cdent | mriedem: don't feel bad, nobody does | 14:15 |
| dansmith | oh come on now | 14:15 |
| mriedem | there are 2-4 people that have an idea | 14:15 |
| mriedem | i'll grant that | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have a design in my head, I bet its wrong and not like anyone else's | 14:15 |
| bauzas | FWIW the spec is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437424/ | 14:15 |
| dansmith | anyway, we should move on | 14:16 |
| cdent | johnthetubaguy: right, exactly that | 14:16 |
| mriedem | yeah let's move on | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, moving on time | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: +1 | 14:16 |
| mriedem | #topic Stable branch status: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker | 14:16 |
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| mriedem | #info Ocata 15.0.2 is released. | 14:16 |
| mriedem | #info Newton 14.0.5 is released. | 14:16 |
| mriedem | #info Mitaka 13.1.4 is released. | 14:16 |
| mriedem | all of those were monday night | 14:16 |
| mriedem | for a cve | 14:16 |
| mriedem | otherwise stable is looking ok | 14:17 |
| mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 14:17 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: cells v2 | 14:17 |
| dansmith | basically a no-op meeting this week,. | 14:17 |
| dansmith | we have my set up, melwitt is working on fixing quotas after I broke them | 14:17 |
| dansmith | that's about it.. just chugging along | 14:17 |
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| mriedem | ok | 14:18 |
| mriedem | edleafe: scheduler | 14:18 |
| edleafe | Traits code is getting very close - pushing to get it in ASAP | 14:18 |
| edleafe | Discussed correctness of requiring Content-Type when there is no content, as in a PUT without a body. Decided that was not correct. | 14:18 |
| edleafe | Wondered about a way to wire jaypipes to the internet so we can Google his brain. | 14:18 |
| edleafe | Discussed whether the Resource Tracker failing silently when an Allocation fails was a bug or not. Jay assured us it is by design, so as not to break the RT when placement fails, but agreed that adding a warning to the logs would be ok. | 14:18 |
| edleafe | We expressed concern that the current claims spec was "too how, and not enough what". | 14:18 |
| edleafe | EOM | 14:18 |
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| mriedem | ok | 14:18 |
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| mriedem | tdurakov: live migration | 14:18 |
| mriedem | moving on | 14:19 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: api subteam meeting highlights? | 14:19 |
| alex_xu | We discuss the spec for policy-remove-scope-check https://review.openstack.org/433037 and additional-default-policy-roles https://review.openstack.org/427872. Those two specs are looking for more wider feedback | 14:19 |
| alex_xu | Also talk about the spec for using uuid in services and os-hypervisors api https://review.openstack.org/447149. Finally, using 'PUT' instead of the strange action '/services/{action}' in the services API. | 14:19 |
| alex_xu | Also talk about deprecate the os-hosts API, there is mail about that http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114487.html from mriedem | 14:19 |
| alex_xu | that is all | 14:19 |
| mriedem | i bombarded https://review.openstack.org/433037 for johnthetubaguy yesterday | 14:20 |
| mriedem | showing my policy ignorance in there | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | so you did, coolness | 14:20 |
| mriedem | thanks alex_xu | 14:20 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: np | 14:20 |
| mriedem | moshele isn't around | 14:20 |
| mriedem | sfinucan: is the sriov/pci meeting still happening? do you attend that? | 14:20 |
| mriedem | i can check later | 14:20 |
| sfinucan | mriedem: No, I've been there but nothing has happened since January | 14:21 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:21 |
| mriedem | gibi: notification meeting highlights? | 14:21 |
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| gibi | wating for searchlight to get a list of important notification to transform | 14:21 |
| gibi | I tried to ping the guys, no luck so far | 14:21 |
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| gibi | transformation work progressing steadily | 14:21 |
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| gibi | the BDM in instance notification work has a WIP patch up | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | gibi: I wondered if we had that list yet when I was reading mriedem's spec | 14:22 |
| mriedem | Kevin_Zheng: can you help out with figuring out the priority list of notification transformations that searchlight needs to adopt nova versioned notifications? | 14:22 |
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| mriedem | i need to address comments in my spec too | 14:22 |
| mriedem | i'll also ask about the priority list in the ML | 14:22 |
| mriedem | thanks gibi | 14:23 |
| gibi | thanks | 14:23 |
| mriedem | powervm, efried left notes | 14:23 |
| mriedem | We have six changes ready for broader review. They're listed in order on the pike focus etherpad | 14:23 |
| mriedem | (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-nova-priorities-tracking). First one has been updated per mriedem comments and is hopefully close to approvable. | 14:23 |
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| mriedem | i need to go back to review that first bottom change in the series | 14:23 |
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| mriedem | but once i do, watch out other cores | 14:23 |
| mriedem | cinder | 14:24 |
| mriedem | so i'll represent the nova/cinder updates | 14:24 |
| mriedem | still working on same things as last two weeks (bdm.attachment_id, support for cinder v3, and the John's spec for the new cinder APIs) | 14:24 |
| Kevin_Zheng | mriedem: sure | 14:24 |
| mriedem | Kevin_Zheng: thanks | 14:24 |
| mriedem | we have the nova/cinder weekly meeting later today | 14:24 |
| mriedem | i'm happy with lyarwood's bdm.attachment_id changes, but mdbooth was -1 until something was using them, which jgriffith has a patch for but we need to restore it and rebase | 14:24 |
| mriedem | and get johnthetubaguy spec merged. which again, i need to review. | 14:25 |
| jgriffith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443932/1 | 14:25 |
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| jgriffith | and a -1 from johnthetubaguy here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439520/ | 14:25 |
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| mriedem | jgriffith: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443932/ isn't what i'm thinking of, | 14:25 |
| mriedem | jgriffith: it was your new detach flow patch | 14:26 |
| mriedem | that checked the bdm.attachment_id | 14:26 |
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| mriedem | but we can talk about that after the meeting | 14:26 |
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| jgriffith | mriedem which lyarwood 's duplicates the base it's on. Sure, sorry | 14:26 |
| mriedem | jgriffith: while you're here, nova spec for cinder image backend? :) | 14:26 |
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| jgriffith | mriedem we should talk about that too :) | 14:26 |
| mriedem | heh ok | 14:26 |
| mriedem | moving on | 14:26 |
| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 14:27 |
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| mriedem | there was nothing on the agenda | 14:27 |
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| mriedem | does anyone have something they want to bring up? | 14:27 |
| mdbooth | jgriffith: I'm very interested in cinder imagebackend, btw | 14:27 |
| mriedem | no stuck reviews | 14:27 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 14:27 |
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| jgriffith | mdbooth cool | 14:27 |
| mriedem | there was nothing on the agend | 14:27 |
| mriedem | *agenda | 14:27 |
| mriedem | anyone want to mention something? | 14:27 |
| gibi | one thing from my side | 14:28 |
| gibi | there is the scheduler hint api spec | 14:28 |
| gibi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440580/ | 14:28 |
| gibi | it seems a bit stuck | 14:28 |
| mriedem | i need to look at the latest back and forth in there | 14:28 |
| mriedem | on the use case | 14:28 |
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| mriedem | can you summarize? | 14:28 |
| gibi | I think it boils down to that | 14:29 |
| gibi | we don't want to make the scheduler_hints part of the nova's API contract | 14:29 |
| gibi | but adding it to the response would do that by default | 14:29 |
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| mriedem | hmm, contract how? we just return the hints that were used to create the instance right? | 14:30 |
| mriedem | just like with flavors, those hints might no longer be around | 14:30 |
| mriedem | or re-usable on all clouds | 14:30 |
| mriedem | they aren't exactly like flavors though since flavors have the same keys | 14:30 |
| gibi | quoting sdague "The thing is, up until this point scheduler hints have been completely free form, which has meant they are largely skirting the API. When we start returning these and documenting the return values, we're going to start really forming these as strong contracts going forward." | 14:30 |
| mriedem | hints are a big mess of custom | 14:30 |
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| bauzas | yeah | 14:31 |
| mriedem | we can't really document them, except the ones we have in tree | 14:31 |
| gibi | my view is that if we was able to not document the accepted hints in the request then we could do the same with the response | 14:31 |
| mriedem | just like the in-tree scheduler filters | 14:31 |
| bauzas | tbh, I don't want to nitpick but returning the filters doesn't mean that you could have the same placement | 14:31 |
| bauzas | because operators could disable the related filter and then meh. | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | we might want to do the standard vs custom thing | 14:31 |
| gibi | bauzas: true | 14:31 |
| mriedem | well, same for flavors, | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | (and everything starts a custom) | 14:32 |
| bauzas | so | 14:32 |
| gibi | johnthetubaguy: I'm OK with only return the standard hints | 14:32 |
| mriedem | you might not be able to place a 2nd instance with the same flavor as the original if the extra specs make it hard to place | 14:32 |
| bauzas | I'd like to be honest with our users and say "you could see those hints, that's nice, but that's just meaning that you *could* have the same behaviour" | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | gibi: that might be quite a good compromise | 14:32 |
| sdague | so, it really feels like encoding the current hints is kind of a mess | 14:33 |
| bauzas | either way, placing an instance is really related to the time | 14:33 |
| sdague | especially when the real issue is the affinity persistance | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | so step 1 is the flavor stuff, that gives people help to build something similar | 14:33 |
| sdague | that should maybe become a more top level concern than just random hints | 14:33 |
| bauzas | I think it's just a matter of being explicit | 14:33 |
| bauzas | seeing hints doesn't mean that it's an hard value | 14:34 |
| bauzas | you *could* possibly have the behaviour you want | 14:34 |
| gibi | bauzas: you mean being honest in the API doc? | 14:34 |
| bauzas | but it's not something we make sure | 14:34 |
| bauzas | gibi: maybe I dunno | 14:34 |
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| bauzas | the real problem is that if we being to put them, people will trust them | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | this is a total deep hole, but... image overrides, hints, extra-specs, per-instance-image-overrides, etc, I wish we had a way to wrangle that mess into something that could be interoperable (we know its possible) | 14:35 |
| bauzas | and people will expect to have a specific behaviour | 14:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | at the PTG I was on the you passed it to us, we should hand it back, side of the argument, but I think that was misguided | 14:36 |
| gibi | my users already expecting that the placement hints are kept during migration | 14:36 |
| gibi | so even if I not showing them the hints | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | gibi: so that happens today, I thought? | 14:36 |
| gibi | they can complain about not following them | 14:36 |
| sdague | gibi: right, and that is different than pulling them back out over the API | 14:36 |
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| bauzas | about what ? :) | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | does it work? | 14:36 |
| gibi | johnthetubaguy: yes that works | 14:36 |
| mriedem | yes we said at the ptg, or in the spec, that scheduler hints are honored or should be on move operations | 14:36 |
| gibi | that is a behavior they are relaying on | 14:37 |
| bauzas | hints being persisted ? yes it does | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | gibi: ah, sorry, I see your point now | 14:37 |
| mriedem | what does that have to do with exposing the hints out of th API to the user? | 14:37 |
| mriedem | as long as the move works | 14:37 |
| sdague | the issue is this edge case | 14:37 |
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| sdague | compute A, compute B (same-host=A) | 14:37 |
| bauzas | mriedem: I'm fine with that, but users could wait for a specific placement behaviour if reusing that hint | 14:38 |
| sdague | migrate A; migrate B works | 14:38 |
| sdague | migrate B; migrate A fails | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, that one sucks | 14:38 |
| bauzas | sdague: my pint | 14:38 |
| bauzas | point even | 14:38 |
| gibi | sdague: yes exactly | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | its he one reason I saw to migrate all VMs on the host, somehow | 14:38 |
| sdague | but... exposing all of this for that edge case seems like a really big hammer | 14:38 |
| bauzas | if SameHostFilter or AffinityFilter is disabled between the persisted hint and the move operation, then it will place the instance somewhere not respecting this hint | 14:38 |
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| bauzas | I know it's a corner case tho | 14:39 |
| bauzas | so I don't want to nitpick on that | 14:39 |
| mriedem | so i'm hearing bug | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would rather have a migration hint "trust me, thats moving") | 14:39 |
| sdague | can we specify > 1 host on migrate? | 14:39 |
| mriedem | no | 14:39 |
| bauzas | I'm just explaining that if users trust those hints, then they'll expect some placement | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: no, there was a spec for that | 14:39 |
| sdague | mriedem: so I'd be happier if we did that instead | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: for the workload rebalancing folks I think | 14:39 |
| mriedem | we'd have to dig up the spec, i thought it was edleafe's | 14:39 |
| bauzas | yeah | 14:39 |
| mriedem | yes watcher wanted to sending a list of hosts | 14:39 |
| sdague | because then the answer would be, if you want to move hosts with affinity references, you have to issue a single migrate command | 14:40 |
| bauzas | but providing a target means you're operator | 14:40 |
| mriedem | or a service | 14:40 |
| mriedem | like watcher | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: you mean multiple servers? | 14:40 |
| bauzas | it's very different from exposing an hint to the end-user | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I mean multiple VMs? | 14:40 |
| mriedem | adjust the policy so the watcher service role can perform migrations | 14:40 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yeh, sorry, I don't mean nodes | 14:40 |
| sdague | I mean instances | 14:40 |
| mriedem | i'm sure they already do that | 14:40 |
| sdague | it's multiple instances that's the issue | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: ah, cool, so I have been thinking the same thing for that edge case | 14:41 |
| sdague | so instead of: migrate A; migrate B | 14:41 |
| sdague | it's migrate A B | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: or --move-my-sticky-friends-too | 14:41 |
| sdague | it's migrate B A, | 14:41 |
| bauzas | edleafe's spec wasn't about that | 14:41 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: no, I think you specify all the instances | 14:41 |
| bauzas | it was about migrate instance1 hostA,hostB | 14:41 |
| sdague | nothing gets moved that you don't specify | 14:41 |
| mriedem | migrate all instances with tag=foo :) | 14:41 |
| edleafe | bauzas: right. It was about providing a list of potential migration targets | 14:42 |
| sdague | and if something is going to fail to move it tells you you also have to specify X | 14:42 |
| mriedem | migrate entire server groups! | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, thats cleaner, just throwing it out there | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: tempting | 14:42 |
| bauzas | oh man | 14:42 |
| sdague | mriedem: it's honestly really the thing that's being asked for | 14:42 |
| mriedem | these are server groups right? | 14:42 |
| mriedem | and you move them as a group | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | they should be, yeah | 14:42 |
| sdague | I'd be fine if we said they had to be | 14:42 |
| mriedem | the alternative is tag them | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | find all these folks a new place, I like that | 14:42 |
| mriedem | and move everything with the same tag, but that could be messy | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: I think thats what jaypipes would like us to move to, instead of server groups | 14:43 |
| mriedem | seems migrating server groups is more what this is for | 14:43 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: yeah i know | 14:43 |
| bauzas | so we have an host evacuate command that doesn't perform very well | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, just being explicit | 14:43 |
| bauzas | are we talking of migrating a couple of instances and orchestrating their placement once ? | 14:43 |
| sdague | anyway, I would much rather go down this path than push the hints back to the user and have them do work around code to build this | 14:43 |
| mriedem | we aren't talking about evacuate | 14:43 |
| bauzas | I know | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I think you would want to claim a new spot for them all, then move them | 14:43 |
| mriedem | but yes this is orchestrating a move of a group of servers | 14:44 |
| mriedem | how they are grouped, tbd | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | so crazy idea... | 14:44 |
| mriedem | and would depend on claims in the scheduler first, yes? | 14:44 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: well, it's a all-or-none placement logic, but I see your point | 14:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | how you about aquire claims from several places, so that the system then allows them to all move individually? | 14:45 |
| bauzas | well | 14:45 |
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| bauzas | some paper tell it's suboptimal to do group placement, but we could try | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | I know thats more complicated, but I think that allows people to "dry" run their plans | 14:45 |
| gibi | for me it is simple, option a) we let the user know the hints and orchestrate the move accordingly b) provide a call nova that does the orchestration | 14:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so today, you just force the host, this is about making that better | 14:46 |
| mriedem | gibi: (a) leaves the burden for the move to the user correct? | 14:46 |
| mriedem | s/user/robot/ | 14:46 |
| gibi | mriedem: yes | 14:46 |
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| gibi | and yes | 14:46 |
| sdague | mriedem: and it bakes that contract in | 14:46 |
| gibi | it is cheap on nova | 14:46 |
| gibi | (b) is nicer but that is expensive on nova | 14:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | I don't like slamming our users under a bus on that one | 14:47 |
| mriedem | well, | 14:47 |
| sdague | my concern is hints structure being part of the API in nova forever, because I feel like it's honestly one of those places we've specifically not gone about standardizing | 14:47 |
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| mriedem | i don't like to either, but if it means we say we're going to do (b) but never actually do it, we aren't helping users either | 14:47 |
| sdague | and I get concerned when we say "oh, we'll just start saying whatever is in tree is THE ONE TRUE WAY" | 14:47 |
| bauzas | sdague: which I think is a valid concern | 14:47 |
| bauzas | couldn't we signal that those hinsts are best-effort contract ? | 14:48 |
| mriedem | gibi: can someone spec out the (b) idea? | 14:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so the middle ground is we have very clear standard and custom scheduler hints, so we are explicit? | 14:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I think next step is write this up in a spec | 14:48 |
| sdague | mriedem: while I get that ... I also don't want to say "b might take us some time, so lets do the cheap to implement way" | 14:48 |
| mriedem | i know, can't win either way | 14:49 |
| gibi | mriedem, johnthetubaguy: I could not promise this will be done soon as it is quite complex matter. jaypipes had a similar spec | 14:49 |
| gibi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183837/4/specs/liberty/approved/generic-scheduling-policies.rsthttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/183837/4/specs/liberty/approved/generic-scheduling-policies.rst | 14:49 |
| sdague | gibi: well, the question is the external interface, and how robust it is | 14:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | gibi: some some rough notes that start to collection the options in a backlog spec would be great | 14:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 for focus on the API | 14:49 |
| mriedem | is it just the affinity/anti-affinity hints you need? | 14:49 |
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| gibi | mriedem: same_host, different_host | 14:50 |
| mriedem | would it be terrible to just scope it to those to start? | 14:50 |
| mriedem | no custom hints | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, lets write down this specific use case, and a few options, thats a great start | 14:50 |
| bauzas | gibi: same_host are now part of the same affinity filter, right? | 14:50 |
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| gibi | bauzas: not sure without looking at the code | 14:50 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: yeah a backlog spec would be good to get the use case and alternatives at a high level, and pros/cons of each approach | 14:50 |
| mriedem | gibi: ^ | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:50 |
| gibi | mriedem, johnthetubaguy: OK, let's try that | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | folks want to build instances that don't all die together or are kinda close, so I think its important to get this right | 14:51 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I mean, I see the problem becoming more important over time | 14:51 |
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| mriedem | we're also weighed down by other missions to mars right now, | 14:52 |
| mriedem | so again, i am overwhelmed | 14:52 |
| mriedem | but let's end the meeting :) | 14:52 |
| gibi | thanks guys | 14:52 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 14:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 23 14:52:34 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:52 |
| gibi | for the discussion | 14:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-03-23-14.00.html | 14:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-03-23-14.00.txt | 14:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-03-23-14.00.log.html | 14:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: +1 we came full circle there | 14:52 |
| mriedem | \o/ | 14:52 |
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