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| huzhj | #startmeeting daisycloud | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Nov 4 08:00:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is huzhj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: daisycloud)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'daisycloud' | 08:00 |
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| huzhj | #topic Roll Call | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: daisycloud)" | 08:00 | |
| zhuzeyu | #info zhuzeyu | 08:01 |
| zhouya | #info zhouya | 08:01 |
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| luyao | #info luyao | 08:01 |
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| huzhj | #topic OPNFV: Escalator Support | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OPNFV: Escalator Support (Meeting topic: daisycloud)" | 08:02 | |
| huzhj | FYI Escalator wants to be deployed by Daisy in OPNFV release D | 08:03 |
| huzhj | #info Escalator wants to be deployed by Daisy in OPNFV release D | 08:03 |
| huzhj | still no code from escalator | 08:03 |
| zhouya | Be deployed by Daisy or call daisy to upgrade openstack? | 08:03 |
| huzhj | Both @zhouya | 08:04 |
| zhouya | OK | 08:04 |
| zhouya | so | 08:04 |
| huzhj | as a installer ,daisy need to deploy everything. but as a south bond API, daisy also need to be able to be called by escalator | 08:04 |
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| zhouya | so now we need daisy framework? | 08:05 |
| huzhj | #info Daisy shall provide client code to escalator so that it can call into daisy api. | 08:06 |
| huzhj | yes | 08:06 |
| zhouya | OK,I see | 08:06 |
| huzhj | something just like providerclient that you work on currently | 08:06 |
| zhouya | yes | 08:07 |
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| huzhj | how to impl escalator side code is still a question, | 08:08 |
| huzhj | need to discuss with kongwei. | 08:08 |
| zhouya | agree | 08:08 |
| huzhj | basically, escalator is a service that running all the time | 08:08 |
| huzhj | like daisy api | 08:09 |
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| huzhj | Hi kongwei | 08:09 |
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| kongwei | hi huzhj | 08:09 |
| huzhj | what the escalator will be look like | 08:10 |
| huzhj | a service ? | 08:10 |
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| kongwei | yes | 08:10 |
| huzhj | OK | 08:10 |
| kongwei | escalator is a service | 08:10 |
| huzhj | it need to be packaged into rpm so that daisy can deploy it | 08:11 |
| huzhj | where to deploy it? on jump server? | 08:11 |
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| luyao | daisy install escalator rpm | 08:11 |
| luyao | ？ | 08:11 |
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| kongwei2 | we can use cli to send command to escalator | 08:11 |
| huzhj | yes luyao | 08:11 |
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| kongwei2 | escalator can be installed on jump server. | 08:12 |
| huzhj | OK, escalator = cli + service + rpm | 08:12 |
| huzhj | how cli communicate with service ? | 08:13 |
| kongwei2 | i think the escalator_cli is a rpm, and the service is another rpm | 08:13 |
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| kongwei2 | it should be restful | 08:13 |
| kongwei2 | but we wiil get the escalator_client package | 08:13 |
| kongwei2 | just like daisy | 08:14 |
| huzhj | Then it will complex enough . escalator = rpm(cli + escalatorclient) + rpm(service) | 08:14 |
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| kongwei2 | yes | 08:14 |
| huzhj | David ask, are we confident that Daisy will be able to successfully complete integration with CI in time(He means MS3 = 20161130) to support the Escalator project | 08:15 |
| huzhj | I have already forward that mail to you | 08:15 |
| kongwei2 | ok, thanks | 08:15 |
| huzhj | I am confident that Daisy will be able to successfully complete integration with CI in time, but not confident to support Escalator... | 08:16 |
| kongwei2 | yes | 08:16 |
| huzhj | a lot of work to do hehe... | 08:17 |
| huzhj | any other thing related with this topic? | 08:17 |
| zhouya | no | 08:17 |
| luyao | no | 08:17 |
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| huzhj | #info escalator = rpm(cli + escalatorclient) + rpm(service) | 08:17 |
| kongwei2 | we would try our best to do it. but there is not enough time | 08:18 |
| kongwei2 | no | 08:18 |
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| zhuzeyu | no | 08:18 |
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| huzhj | let alone the escalator CI | 08:19 |
| huzhj | #topic OPNFV: Daisy4nfv CI Framework Progress | 08:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OPNFV: Daisy4nfv CI Framework Progress (Meeting topic: daisycloud)" | 08:19 | |
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| huzhj | Jing went to the dentist :) | 08:20 |
| huzhj | So , @zhuzeyu, anything from your side ? | 08:20 |
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| zhuzeyu | i am still studying yml | 08:21 |
| huzhj | Good | 08:22 |
| zhuzeyu | jjb Job Template | 08:22 |
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| huzhj | It is a little bit complex, especially when opnfv releng added a bunch of plugins .. | 08:23 |
| zhuzeyu | i find daisy verify job also has some step unrealized | 08:23 |
| zhuzeyu | basic and deploy | 08:24 |
| huzhj | Yes, deply/smoketest | 08:24 |
| huzhj | basic is not improtant | 08:24 |
| huzhj | we are stuck at building step now becasue the enviroment has some problem | 08:25 |
| huzhj | still waiting infra team to help us to cleanup the $WORKSPACE | 08:25 |
| zhuzeyu | So do we have to add basic to merge job? | 08:25 |
| huzhj | Yes, just add it . but it can be a dummy job | 08:26 |
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| zhuzeyu | i see | 08:26 |
| huzhj | @luyao what about the virtual deployment ? | 08:26 |
| huzhj | everything went well so far? | 08:27 |
| luyao | we now success deploy virtual manual | 08:28 |
| luyao | and can auto deploy with template | 08:28 |
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| luyao | but if we use yml | 08:28 |
| luyao | I still write python file to support common config file | 08:29 |
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| huzhj | how long will that work take? | 08:29 |
| luyao | I think next week I can finish it | 08:29 |
| huzhj | Good! | 08:30 |
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| huzhj | @luyao besides, If you have time, could you please start working on daisycloud-core support newton OpenStack? | 08:31 |
| luyao | yes, I can do it | 08:31 |
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| luyao | I think msybe not big change | 08:31 |
| huzhj | One thing I am not sure now is if daisycloud-core can be built / can run on newton | 08:32 |
| luyao | yes， need test | 08:32 |
| huzhj | notice us through mail if you have any problem | 08:32 |
| luyao | yes | 08:33 |
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| huzhj | #action @luyao will start working on daisycloud-core support newton OpenStack after common config file support is finished | 08:34 |
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| huzhj | OK, shall we go to next topic ? | 08:34 |
| luyao | yes | 08:34 |
| huzhj | #topic Core Code Abstraction | 08:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Core Code Abstraction (Meeting topic: daisycloud)" | 08:34 | |
| huzhj | @zhouya, what about the status of the API extension framework | 08:35 |
| zhouya | I just commit the change to gerrit | 08:35 |
| zhouya | and the unittest need to be modified | 08:35 |
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| zhouya | so I think we need another test file name like test_hwm_hosts.py to test the extention of hwm | 08:36 |
| huzhj | no hwm related test currently? | 08:37 |
| zhouya | we already have the test | 08:37 |
| huzhj | but need to move into a new file? | 08:37 |
| zhouya | But they are in the test_hosts.py file | 08:37 |
| huzhj | got it | 08:38 |
| zhouya | yes,need to move into a new file. | 08:38 |
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| huzhj | Great, hwm will be the first example to fit into this frameworkl | 08:38 |
| zhouya | exactly | 08:38 |
| luyao | good | 08:38 |
| luyao | ! | 08:38 |
| huzhj | #info API extension framework doner | 08:39 |
| huzhj | #undo | 08:39 |
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| huzhj | #info API extension framework done | 08:39 |
| huzhj | @zhouya has the framework PS been sent to daisycloud-core? | 08:39 |
| zhouya | no | 08:40 |
| zhouya | I have just tested in daisy | 08:40 |
| huzhj | You can send it first ot see if it break tempest or not. | 08:40 |
| huzhj | another benifit is other can see your work and review it | 08:41 |
| zhouya | first of all , It needs to pass the unittest,and next it will run the tempest | 08:41 |
| huzhj | YEs | 08:41 |
| zhouya | yes,and I will send a PS to daisycloud-core | 08:41 |
| huzhj | Yes I mean send it to daisycloud-core to let the community t oreview your work | 08:42 |
| zhouya | OK ,got it | 08:42 |
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| huzhj | Great. Now we have basically 5 extensible submodule in daisy | 08:43 |
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| huzhj | API/DB/BMDeploy/DSDeploy/CC | 08:43 |
| zhouya | since we have delete the hwm code in daisycloud-core,I have to find which we have deleted,and add it to daisycloud-core | 08:43 |
| huzhj | You mean which we deleted by mistake? | 08:44 |
| zhouya | yes,and also the hwm code | 08:44 |
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| huzhj | also the hwm code ? | 08:45 |
| zhouya | the router | 08:45 |
| huzhj | you will add hwm code to back to daisycloud-core ? I don't think that is really what you mean | 08:46 |
| zhouya | no | 08:47 |
| huzhj | hwm code as extension should always stay outside of core as much as possible | 08:47 |
| zhouya | OK,I see | 08:47 |
| huzhj | maybe currently we can not manage to wipe all hwm code, for example, code in the pxe (if host_meta has hwm_id) | 08:49 |
| huzhj | due to lack of time | 08:49 |
| huzhj | but in future, all will be wipe out. | 08:49 |
| zhouya | great | 08:49 |
| luyao | good | 08:50 |
| huzhj | OK, anything else for this topic? | 08:50 |
| zhouya | no | 08:50 |
| luyao | no | 08:50 |
| zhuzeyu_ | no | 08:50 |
| huzhj | another thing | 08:51 |
| huzhj | #info we still lack of a example of DB extension | 08:51 |
| zhouya | yes | 08:52 |
| kongwei2 | no | 08:53 |
| huzhj | OK, time to wrap up, let's call it a meeting. | 08:53 |
| kongwei2 | bye | 08:53 |
| huzhj | bye everyone | 08:53 |
| luyao | bye | 08:53 |
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| huzhj | #endmeeting | 08:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Nov 4 08:53:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/daisycloud/2016/daisycloud.2016-11-04-08.00.html | 08:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/daisycloud/2016/daisycloud.2016-11-04-08.00.txt | 08:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/daisycloud/2016/daisycloud.2016-11-04-08.00.log.html | 08:53 |
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| ttx | ohai | 14:00 |
| sigmavirus | o/ | 14:00 |
| ttx | #startmeeting releaseteam | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Nov 4 14:00:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 14:00 |
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| ttx | courtesy ping for dhellmann, dims, fungi, stevemar | 14:01 |
| ttx | Welcome back from Barcelona! This is week R-16, our agenda on the etherpad as usual | 14:01 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-relmgt-tracking | 14:02 |
| dims | o/ | 14:02 |
| ttx | dhellmann should join us really soon now | 14:02 |
| fungi | still has that new-cycle smell | 14:02 |
| ttx | #topic move (some) tags from governance to releases | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "move (some) tags from governance to releases (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:02 | |
| ttx | We have a plan to move some of the release mechanics tags (which are really not a governance thing) out of the governance repository | 14:03 |
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| ttx | You can see details of that plan on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-relmgt-plan | 14:04 |
| ttx | line 137+ | 14:04 |
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| ttx | The idea would be to move type:* and release:* tags out of the governance repo | 14:04 |
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| fungi | and the lack of comments implies it's in no way contentious | 14:05 |
| ttx | We would duplicate the deliverable structure between both | 14:05 |
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| fungi | any reason to duplicate the structure rather than just having a flat list of deliverables? | 14:06 |
| ttx | Now we are wondering who we need to engage with early on, and who would get broken by this | 14:06 |
| dims | ttx : which repo would be the authoritative source? (which sync's to which) | 14:06 |
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| ttx | fungi: I think we still need the team-deliverable relationship on the release side | 14:06 |
| ttx | but when I say "duplicate" it's actually not a centralized yaml file | 14:07 |
| ttx | On one side you would have the governance projects.yaml file | 14:07 |
| fungi | any reason not to just let the deliverable to team mapping stay in governance, and just keep the deliverables as a flat list in releases though? | 14:07 |
| fungi | that reduces the risk of having them get out of sync | 14:07 |
| ttx | On the other a bunch of cycle/deliverable.yaml files in the releases repo | 14:08 |
| ttx | fungi: I think that is the plan | 14:08 |
| ttx | we would just store the release model and type of deliverable in the openstack/releases yaml files instead of the governance projects.yaml | 14:09 |
| ttx | (which would stay authoritative) | 14:09 |
| sigmavirus | probably a silly question, as a new release liaison, how familiar should I be with all of this/ | 14:09 |
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| fungi | oh, got it. when you said duplicate the structure i thought you mean including grouping deliverables by team in releases, which seems like a lookup we could do against governance as a single source of authority for that | 14:09 |
| ttx | sigmavirus: It should not change much for liaisons. Of all things it might make changing deliverables content and types easier | 14:09 |
| ttx | Now, what/who will that break | 14:10 |
| ttx | The project navigator uses type: to filter what it should display | 14:10 |
| ttx | (only shows type:service) | 14:10 |
| fungi | sigmavirus: basically if you plan to add a deliverable or change the release model you'll now need to also edit a file in the releases repo adding an entry to the current cycle's yaml file | 14:10 |
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| ttx | It also displays the release model, although I'm not sure why | 14:11 |
| fungi | ttx: likely "because it can" | 14:11 |
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| ttx | yes | 14:11 |
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| ttx | We might want to generate some compound mega-yaml file for them to consume rather than force them to walk down the openstack/releases directory tree | 14:11 |
| dims | sigmavirus : if you keep up with the rst files in https://github.com/openstack/releases/ that should be good enough i think | 14:11 |
| fungi | we could easily postprocess all of this in a ci job and publish it as structured data or even provide a lightweight lookup api | 14:12 |
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| fungi | if there's a concern that they really can't retrieve two files and do the equivalent of a join query | 14:12 |
| ttx | Any other idea of what might get broken by this ? | 14:13 |
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| sigmavirus | dims: thanks :) | 14:13 |
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| dims | any of the scripts used for validating the tags may be affected? | 14:13 |
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| ttx | They should not really look into type:* or release:* | 14:14 |
| fungi | none of the automation i maintain cares about deliverable types or release models, so none on the infra side afaik (except for jobs the release team is caring for that is) | 14:14 |
| dims | right | 14:14 |
| sigmavirus | fungi: thank you for explaining that in terms I can understand ;) | 14:14 |
| ttx | OK, let's move on | 14:14 |
| ttx | #topic moving release date to Feb 22 | 14:14 |
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| ttx | Also known as "because Ocata wasn't too short already" | 14:15 |
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| ttx | This is done to facilitate downstream post-release work | 14:15 |
| fungi | bar napkin math says ot's still only a 1% shrinkage in the number of business days for the cycle | 14:15 |
| ttx | Releasing on Thursdays kind of pushed them into Saturdays work more often than not | 14:15 |
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| ttx | I checked with the PR team at the Foundation, they have no particular relationship with Thursdays | 14:16 |
| dims | +1 to do this | 14:16 |
| ttx | Actually Wednesdays might even be better for them (for the same downstream work reasons) | 14:16 |
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| ttx | OK, so this looks good, I expect dhellmann to close it when he has a chance | 14:18 |
| ttx | next topic... | 14:18 |
| ttx | #topic changing the library freeze date | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "changing the library freeze date (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:18 | |
| ttx | In BCN we discussed moving the non-client lib out 1 week to match the 3rd milestone on R-4 | 14:18 |
| ttx | that said, dhellmann noted that moving to R-4 would mean that we do not freeze the libraries before the requirements list, which means we might end up adding features to a library but not having them be consumable because we can't update the lower bounds of a requirement | 14:19 |
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| ttx | So should we stick to 2 deadlines ? Or move all libraries up to R-3? | 14:20 |
| dims | ttx did we get any preference from tonyb ? | 14:20 |
| ttx | dims: do you remember why we considered doing that ? | 14:20 |
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| ttx | I'm missing a bit of info there. Let's wait for dhellmann | 14:22 |
| dims | ttx : guessing we saw folks needing a library update to fix a problem late in their 3rd milestone | 14:22 |
| ttx | We already have client lib freeze and requirements freeze on the same date, so I don't understand why that would make features any more less consumable | 14:23 |
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| ttx | Let's move on ang get back to that later if dhellmann joins us | 14:24 |
| dims | ack | 14:24 |
| ttx | #topic Moving release meeting one UTC hour later starting next week (keep same US time) | 14:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Moving release meeting one UTC hour later starting next week (keep same US time) (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:24 | |
| ttx | Since teh US joins Europe out of DST next week, we can adjust our team meeting time to place it at the same local day hour | 14:24 |
| dims | +1 ttx | 14:25 |
| sigmavirus | I'm -0 on that as a central US person | 14:25 |
| ttx | I'm +0 on that since I'm a EU person | 14:25 |
| sigmavirus | Mostly because work weird hours as it is, so an hour earlier/later doesn't affect me | 14:25 |
| ttx | Basically without the change, the meeting would be at 9am Eastern instead of 10am eastern if we don't change anything | 14:26 |
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| ttx | here he is | 14:26 |
| fungi | yeah, maybe people on the west coast of the usa care about this | 14:26 |
| ttx | #chair dhellmann | 14:26 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dhellmann ttx | 14:26 |
| ttx | dhellmann: currently discussing moving the meeting hour to 15:00utc starting next week | 14:27 |
| fungi | on the other hand, there are no release team members in western north america at the moment | 14:27 |
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| dhellmann | iirc we've moved it in the past, haven't we? | 14:27 |
| ttx | I think so yes | 14:27 |
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| ttx | I'll propose the change | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | yeah, let's move it if the slot is open | 14:27 |
| ttx | #action ttx to propose meeting time change for release meeting winter time | 14:28 |
| fungi | i'm not personally keen on meetings that change utc time because it's atypical in our community, but it's not my meeting ;) | 14:28 |
| dims | :) | 14:28 |
| ttx | #topic changing the library freeze date | 14:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "changing the library freeze date (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:28 | |
| ttx | back to previous topic | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | I looked at what would happen if we moved the dates as we said in BCN | 14:29 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I was wondering why moving non-client lib freeze at the same time as client-lib freeze would be a problem wrt. requirements | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | well, the requirements freeze would be the same time then | 14:29 |
| ttx | if it is a problem, we already have it for client lib, then | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | the server projects are less likely to be consumers of features added to the client libs | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | at least that's my assumption | 14:30 |
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| dhellmann | since I proposed this change, and now I'm undecided, is anyone else strongly in favor of one course or the other? | 14:31 |
| dims | dhellmann : keep what we have :) | 14:31 |
| ttx | let's keep | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | I think I'm leaning in that direction now, too | 14:32 |
| ttx | in doubt | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | ok, I think that's agreement | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | #agreed we will not try to change the library freeze dates for ocata | 14:32 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/393800 <-- meeting time change | 14:32 |
| ttx | ok, next topic | 14:33 |
| ttx | #topic Freezing Monasca releases until the license is sorted out | 14:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Freezing Monasca releases until the license is sorted out (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:33 | |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/106687.html | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | the email thread pointed to some confusion about what license is actually being used | 14:33 |
| ttx | I suspect it's a leftover file but better make sure of that, and quick | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | rather than making things worse, it seemed like a good idea to freeze any releases until they sort it out | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | right, I assume the same | 14:33 |
| fungi | agreed | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | in fact, maybe someone could go ahead and propose the patch to update the file | 14:34 |
| ttx | which means, given how present Monasca folks are on IRC, reaching out aggressively to them | 14:34 |
| ttx | review might be a good way to get them to pay attention, yes | 14:34 |
| fungi | i'd _love_ it if someone from monasca would respond there. do they read the -dev ml? | 14:34 |
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| sigmavirus | fungi: that would be ideal | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | fungi : their participation is spotty | 14:34 |
| dims | right | 14:34 |
| fungi | seems like at least the ptl would be paying attention to things tagged [monasca] on the ml | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | #agreed freeze monasca releases until the license situation is straightened out | 14:35 |
| ttx | in the meantime, I agree we shouold not release anything there until they clarified | 14:35 |
| dims | oslo.messaging kafka is stuck on their feedback as well | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | dims : that's good to know | 14:35 |
| ttx | Great example of why sharing the same communication/principles/culture is essential | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | we've had trouble reaching that team a few times now. it might be time to bring it to the tc's attention. | 14:35 |
| ttx | because in those cases it hurts everyone | 14:36 |
| dhellmann | that said, it is only the week after summit so I was going to give them until next week before having a larger response | 14:36 |
| dims | To be specific they had an action item to get back to us on g-r being switched to newer python-kafka versions | 14:36 |
| fungi | also, i'll admit, the place to raise that license question is _probably_ monasca's bug tracker | 14:37 |
| ttx | If we don't have any response by next week TC meeting I might raise the topic of minimal participation to communication mediums as a reason for not be official anymore | 14:37 |
| fungi | i'll copy cuhck's request to a bug report | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | fungi : good point, a bug would be nice | 14:37 |
| ttx | fungi: thx | 14:37 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: ++ | 14:38 |
| fungi | and i'll follow up to the ml thread with the url | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | thanks | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | I think that covers this topic? | 14:38 |
| ttx | yes | 14:38 |
| ttx | #topic New driverfixes branch type | 14:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New driverfixes branch type (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:38 | |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393451/ | 14:39 |
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| dhellmann | I just wanted folks on the release team to be aware that this is a new branch type. smcginnis and I picked the name yesterday. So far only Cinder uses it, but if other teams want to do something similar we'd want the same name type | 14:39 |
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| ttx | Still not a big fan of having untested branches in our official repos, but meh | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | basically, this is a branch created from stable/$series at a point close to when the stable branch goes dormant, to give vendors a central place to collaborate on long-lived driver support | 14:40 |
| ttx | untested/$series would make it clearer | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we talked about untested/driverfixes/$series as the name but that felt different from the other patterns we have with just 2 levels in the name | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | and I think the idea is that only changes to drivers would be allowed in the branch, so we wanted to highlight that | 14:41 |
| ttx | also discourages them to collaborate on stable branches a bit | 14:41 |
| smcginnis | ttx, dhellmann: Still time to change it I suppose. untested/mitaka would be OK with me, though I do like the descriptive name of driverfixes. | 14:41 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: +1 | 14:41 |
| ttx | smcginnis: yeah, untested only partially captures the idea | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I thought the opposite -- if they get used to collaborating on these branches, maybe they'll be encouraged to also work on the stable branches before the driverfixes branch is created | 14:42 |
| ttx | who has +2 on driverfixes/* | 14:42 |
| ttx | ? | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | good question. smcginnis? | 14:42 |
| ttx | some specific group ? | 14:42 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Core team only for now. | 14:42 |
| smcginnis | So for this instance, cinder-core | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | so you'll be doing minimal reviews? or setting up another group to manage the branch? | 14:43 |
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| smcginnis | And to be clear, this is only for branches once they go to security-supported mode, so I don't expect it to decrease stable branch involvement. | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | right, that was my understanding | 14:43 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Yes, minimal reviews only. | 14:43 |
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| ttx | post-eol-driver-fixes/* would be a mouthful indeed | 14:44 |
| smcginnis | ttx: ;) | 14:44 |
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| smcginnis | ttx: On the other hand, very clearly named. | 14:44 |
| dhellmann | when it's all set up, it would be great to have this written up in the project team guide | 14:44 |
| dhellmann | set the pattern, explain the expectations, etc. | 14:44 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: +1 | 14:44 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : is that on your todo list? | 14:44 |
| ttx | I guess I don't want people to think that this is the place where driver fixes go. It's the place where driver fixes go after eol, and those are untested | 14:44 |
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| smcginnis | Once all the puzzle pieces are in place I plan on writing up a Cinder devref and ML post explaining it. | 14:45 |
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| smcginnis | Hopefully we can adapt that for the project team guide. | 14:45 |
| ttx | I guess that should be made clear with the branch name though | 14:45 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : ++ | 14:45 |
| ttx | i.e. driverfixes/liberty when stable/liberty is dead, should make it pretty clear. | 14:45 |
| fungi | i got the impression it wasn't _just_ after eol | 14:45 |
| smcginnis | ttx: That's my hope. | 14:45 |
| fungi | but also fixes which wouldn't be approved by the stable branch maintainers | 14:46 |
| smcginnis | security mode and oel | 14:46 |
| ttx | fungi: unstable/liberty :) | 14:46 |
| dhellmann | yeah, it's not quite eol, is it? it's when it goes into security mode, which is a bit before eol | 14:46 |
| smcginnis | ttx: That was my suggestion! :) | 14:46 |
| smcginnis | eol as far as the driver maintainers go. :] | 14:46 |
| ttx | sandbox/liberty | 14:46 |
| smcginnis | And key word in fungi's statement: fixes | 14:47 |
| smcginnis | No backporting new driver features. | 14:47 |
| dhellmann | right, it's limited to fixing issues in the drivers | 14:47 |
| ttx | oh well, worst case scenario it's not hard to rename branches | 14:47 |
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| dhellmann | it's a new thing. we still have folks who don't understand what stable/ means, too. | 14:47 |
| smcginnis | And if this turns into an unforeseen disaster, I'm OK saying we tried our best and call it a failure. | 14:47 |
| ttx | The important part being to standardize on a common prefix | 14:47 |
| smcginnis | But I really hope that doesn't happen. | 14:48 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : so a retrospective at the ptg? | 14:48 |
| dhellmann | ttx: right | 14:48 |
| fungi | i have suspicions this won't actually help the situation in any way, but it's worth a try and if the experiment fails it's not like you have to keep doing it | 14:48 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Sure, that can't hurt. Could also be a good way to educate on it's use/existence. | 14:48 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : yep | 14:48 |
| ttx | +2 | 14:48 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Package maintainers have been asking for this for a while. | 14:48 |
| dhellmann | so we're all ok with the name as it is, at least for now? | 14:49 |
| ttx | +2 | 14:49 |
| dhellmann | cool | 14:49 |
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| fungi | i mean, we heard similar stories about why we should keep stable branches around for longer because distros would be submitting patches there, but most of the time it's only upstream devs submitting patches so once they stop caring the distro package maintainers just do their backporting in isolation anyway | 14:49 |
| fungi | this has been the schizophrenic definition of our stable branches for as long as i've been involved in openstack | 14:50 |
| ttx | #agreed let's give driverfixes/* a try | 14:50 |
| ttx | #topic open discussion | 14:50 |
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| smcginnis | fungi: True. But that's why I've wanted to make it clear this is not in any way considered "stable". :) | 14:50 |
| ttx | dhellmann: maybe read the first part of the meeting and let us know what you think | 14:50 |
| dhellmann | yes, I think this was a compromise between expanding stable support and forcing vendors to maintain forks, which then result in the inability to mix drivers from different providers in a deployment | 14:50 |
| dims | belated +2 on driverfixes/* | 14:50 |
| dhellmann | ttx, I was just going to ask if there was anything else you deferred | 14:50 |
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| ttx | not really but you migth want to chime in on some | 14:51 |
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| ttx | especially the first one | 14:51 |
| dhellmann | the deliverable file changes? | 14:52 |
| ttx | yes | 14:52 |
| ttx | and who will be affected / we should talk to | 14:52 |
| dhellmann | I like the idea of building a single yaml file with the deliverable tags to make it easier for someone to consume the results | 14:52 |
| dhellmann | that would solve the navigator issue, I guess | 14:53 |
| dhellmann | and I was specifically trying to find out who to talk to on the team that builds that | 14:53 |
| dhellmann | is that outsourced from the foundation? | 14:54 |
| ttx | dhellmann: that would be Jimmy McArthur on staff | 14:55 |
| dhellmann | ok, maybe I can get his contact info from you separately then | 14:55 |
| ttx | he coordinates who ends up doing it | 14:55 |
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| ttx | I can handle the comms there | 14:55 |
| ttx | once we have a clear detailed plan and some buy-in from the TC, I can engage | 14:55 |
| dhellmann | ok. my plan for now is to start by putting the data we need in the releases repo, and then stop pulling data from the governance repo at all | 14:55 |
| ttx | but I don't expect there to be any problem, especially if we generate that single file | 14:56 |
| dhellmann | then we can deal with publishing any extra data files for them to make their lives easier | 14:56 |
| ttx | they already get data from several sources to aggregate them | 14:56 |
| dhellmann | it would be 1 per series | 14:56 |
| dhellmann | since the whole point is this stuff changes over time | 14:56 |
| dhellmann | but I can just plan on building out the single yaml file if we expect that to be the thing they request | 14:57 |
| dhellmann | time is almost up, is there anything else? | 14:57 |
| fungi | and i guess we only ever publish for the current cycle, since there aren't per-cycle copies of our governance reference data | 14:58 |
| dhellmann | fungi : that's a good point | 14:58 |
| dhellmann | alright, I think that's it for today | 14:59 |
| dhellmann | apologies again for being late, and thanks ttx for starting the meeting without me | 14:59 |
| ttx | np | 14:59 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Nov 4 14:59:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-11-04-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-11-04-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-11-04-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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