Thursday, 2016-08-11

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thinrichsHi all.  Sorry I'm late00:05
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ekcshi thinrichs00:05
thinrichsekcs, ramineni, aimeeu: courtesy ping00:05
thinrichs#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting00:05
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thinrichsekcs: hi!00:06
aimeeuGreetings all!00:06
thinrichsekcs: thanks for handling last week's meeting.  I looked over the logs—sounded like a good one.00:06
ramineni_hi00:06
ekcsthanks!00:06
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thinrichsmasahito is out of town this week00:07
thinrichsSo we can get started.00:07
thinrichsOn my agenda...00:07
thinrichs1. Extra ATC nominations00:07
thinrichs2. Status updates00:07
thinrichs3. Synchronization during API calls discussion00:07
thinrichsAnything else?00:07
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ekcsi’d like to talk about00:08
ekcshow to test congress HA in tempest.00:08
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ekcsbut maybe only if masahito is here.00:08
thinrichs4. testing Congress HA in tempest (possibly)00:09
thinrichs#topic Extra ATC nominations00:09
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thinrichsTypically Active Technical Contributors are people who have submitted  at least 1 patch00:10
thinrichsbut now it's possible to nominate someone who has been an active contributor but who has not submitted any patches00:10
thinrichsIs there anyone like that we should consider nominating?00:10
* thinrichs digging up link to description00:11
thinrichsATCs get free admission to the summit00:11
thinrichswhich is I think the main value00:11
thinrichsbesides acknowledging their contributions publically00:11
ekcsMost people have patches. Only person I can think of who wouldn’t have a Congress patch may be bryan_att.00:12
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thinrichs#link http://www.openstack.org/legal/technical-committee-member-policy/00:13
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aimeeuekcs: That's true. I don't think he's submitted any patches to Congress,  but he is actively interested and integrated Congress into OPNFV Copper.00:14
thinrichs" Contributions00:14
thinrichsmight include, but aren't limited to, bug triage, design work, and00:14
thinrichsdocumentation -- there is a lot of leeway in how teams define00:14
thinrichscontribution for ATC status."00:14
thinrichsNova submits people who have Co-authored a patch but not been primary committer00:14
thinrichsIntegrating Congress into OPNFV Copper probably wouldn't do it.  That's great open-source contributions but not contributions to OpenStack00:15
ekcsquestion: it is a project by project thing? like basically if someone has other openstack patches but not congress patches, does it still make any difference whatsoever to nominate someone?00:15
thinrichsHe worked on installers though and was trying to get them committed00:15
thinrichsekcs: I don't think so00:16
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thinrichsekcs: I think it's binary: either your an ATC or you're not.00:16
thinrichsekcs: whether you contributed to 1000 patches to 10 different projects or 1 patch00:16
aimeeuthinrichs: Yes, something with JuJu but he may not have been the primary author.00:16
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thinrichsbryan_att is the only person I can think of too.  I'll follow up with him to see what he's done and whether he's already an ATC.00:17
thinrichsOh, and I guess whether he's an OpenSTack Foundation member, which is also required00:17
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thinrichsMoving on…00:18
aimeeuthinrichs: I'm checking Stackalytics00:18
thinrichsaimeeu: great!00:18
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aimeeu(well I do work with him sort of)00:18
thinrichs#topic status00:19
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thinrichsramineni_: want to start?00:19
ramineni_thinrichs: ok00:19
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ramineni_not much update, worked on couple of gate failures and tempest tests00:21
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ramineni_thats it from my side00:21
thinrichsThe gate seems to be green now.  Thanks!00:21
thinrichsSounded like a challenge to get it working.00:21
ramineni_actually inbetween its because of tempest failure, not related to our code00:22
ramineni_the other one, ekcs actually worked an disabled the test , as it is redundant00:22
thinrichsRight—saw the disabled one.  Sounds like there may be some deeper issues lurking there.00:23
thinrichsAnything to worry about?00:23
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ramineni_ya, couldnt figure out what is the issue, i thought locking mechanism in place should fix that , masahito already has patch for that00:24
ekcsit seems like masahito’s patch fixes the issue.00:24
ekcs*would* fix the issue.00:24
thinrichsI imagine we'll find a number of locking issues as we move forward with the new arch00:25
thinrichsekcs: want to go next?00:26
ekcslossless DSD failover patch in review. lossless PE failover patch is coming.00:26
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ekcsThought about how to do integration test of replicated Congress deployment. Maybe we'll discuss it later.00:26
ekcsIdentified a couple more issues with datasource add/delete/sync when it comes to distributed/replicated deployment. About to document in bugs.00:26
ekcsWorked with ramineni_ on resolving gate issues.00:26
ekcsthat’s all.00:27
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thinrichsekcs: it is lossless in the sense that it retries to exec an action?00:27
ekcsthinrichs: yea. loose terminology.00:28
thinrichsekcs: just making sure I knew the patch you meant00:28
thinrichsMaybe I missed this when looking at the patch....00:29
thinrichsdo all the PEs retry?  Or how do they know when to retry?00:29
ekcsall PEs retry.00:29
thinrichson every action execution?00:30
ekcsthe DSD (whenever it comes back online) would acknowledge all “followers” and exec action from “leader"00:30
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ekcsyes.00:30
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thinrichsGot it.00:31
ekcsif we’re not careful,00:31
ekcswe could run out of greenthreads if lots and lots of actions take place within the retry time.00:32
ekcsnot an issue if retry is handled by oslo-messaging.00:32
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thinrichsDoes oslo-messaging have retry functionality?00:32
ekcsit does, but it’s not totally clear how it behaves and whether it fits our need.00:33
ekcsresponse to your comment: The reason why I implemented our own retry logic is the following:00:34
ekcs1. Using built-in retry, it doesn't seem that we can separately specify how long to wait on each try and how long before we give up retrying. From reading the docs, in some situations oslo-messaging may wait the full length of the timeout on the first try, instead of retrying. The exact behavior probably depends on the transport used and other specific conditions.00:34
ekcs2. oslo-messaging does not support unbounded retry without timeout. I made it an option with our retry logic. But maybe we don't want that anyway. (Like maybe if the ExecutionDriver takes a full day to come back, maybe it never makes sense to retry executing the action after that long.)00:34
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thinrichsUnderstood.  Thanks for copying in your response here.00:34
ekcsI also asked this on openstack-dev, but haven’t gotten anything helpful.00:35
ekcsHi all, I have a question about oslo-messaging RPC retry. Thanks so much!00:35
ekcsSay I set timeout=600 and retry=None (unbounded retry within time), would an rpc call wait 600s on the first try or would it do multiple retries until 600s total time has elapsed? What factors does the answer depend on?00:35
ekcsAlternatively, if I set timeout=600 and retry=100, would it be 600s total time before failing? or would it be 600s timeout for each try?00:35
ekcsMay need to just read the code and test it myself to figure out.00:35
ekcsnot clear how to test how many failed retries take place.00:36
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thinrichsRight—retry logic seems hard to test.  Maybe better to look at code/comments for that one.00:36
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thinrichsaimeeu: want to give a status update?00:37
aimeeuSure. Unfortunately not much from me this past week due to lots of last minute meetings . Code reviews, and thanks ekcs for the feedback on the HA Overview guide. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350731/00:37
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aimeeuThat's it from me00:38
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thinrichsaimeeu: anything you need from us?  Last week you were looking for a feature to add and test.  Did you find something?00:38
aimeeuekcs gave me some ideas to ponder00:39
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thinrichsThis isn't a feature, but we talked about replacing exception.message with the str(exception).00:40
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aimeeuYes, I started on that but the majority of changes are in the horizon plug-in, so I was waiting until ramineni's patch was merged00:40
thinrichsGot it.00:41
thinrichsI'll keep my eye out then, as I'm (slowly) getting back into things after vacation00:41
aimeeuI can probably finish up the exception patch tomorrow00:41
thinrichsaimeeu: great!00:42
thinrichsstatus update from me…00:42
thinrichsTrying to get that large patch in that disables Dse1.00:42
thinrichsRebased today and addressed lingering comments.  Think it's ready to go.00:42
thinrichsOther than that, trying to get back up to speed from vacation00:43
thinrichsThat's it.00:43
thinrichs2 items left on the agenda..00:43
thinrichssynchronization on APIs and HA testing with tempest00:43
thinrichsekcs: since you've spent time thinking about it, I'd suggest HA testing with tempest00:44
thinrichsunless you want to wait for masahito00:44
ekcsi’ll put out what I have now00:44
thinrichsgreat00:44
ekcsand hear your comments and see what masahito thinks later.00:44
ekcsmay be quick.00:44
ekcsLast meeting we discussed whether to add new HA tests to existing tempest job or create now one.00:44
ekcsIt's not clear how to test replicated Congress in tempest because:00:45
ekcs1. Not sure we can (and how complex it is to) deploy a load balancer in the test env.00:45
ekcs2. Not clear how easy it is to kill and restart individual processes in the test env.00:45
ekcsMy current thinking is this:00:45
ekcsFor basic functionality testing: deploy 1 API + n PE + 1 DSDs-node, run all the current tempest tests (except the replica-HA test). Some tests would need to be modified to wait/retry because different instances get out of sync.00:45
thinrichsAgree with basic functionality00:46
ekcsNotice that this is NOT how we recommend deploying. We recommend n API+PE nodes behind a load balancer. But we can test it this way to avoid having to setup a load balancer. Not ideal, but I think it works.00:46
thinrichsHang on… missed the n PEs00:46
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thinrichsDoes that work?00:47
thinrichsI thought the API was hard-coded to send to 1 engine00:47
thinrichsby name00:47
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ramineni_thinrichs: i think it sends if engine exists locally otherwise rpc00:48
ramineni_so it should work00:48
ramineni_ekcs: right?00:48
thinrichshow does the API pick which engine to send it to?00:48
ekcsYes, but when we run multiple PEs with the same service name (different node name), oslo-messaging actually just arbitrarily picks one.00:48
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thinrichsInteresting behavior from oslo-messaging00:49
ekcsor send to multiple and take response from first.00:49
ekcseither way should work for tempest purpose.00:49
thinrichsAnother option is to deploy n API+PEs and 1 DSD, like we recommend...00:49
thinrichsand then write tests that implement the load-balancer00:49
thinrichswhich we probably want to do anyway00:50
thinrichsSuch as write policy to API+PE 1; then run query on API+PE 200:50
ekcsthat’s an option too.00:51
thinrichsI could imagine having a LB class that simulates the behavior of a LB, for when we want to do that.00:51
ekcsbut then we get less reuse out of out current tempest tests.00:51
thinrichsI see00:51
ekcsyes, we can do that too. it’s a but complicated though. I was thinking we would deploy N API+PEs on different ports. and load balance between them.00:52
ekcsas an option.00:52
ekcsFor testing different failover scenarios, I'm think maybe the best place is to start by using the unittest environment (similar to test_congress). Again it's not ideal because it's not how things actually get deployed, but it makes it much easier to manipulate and create failure scenarios.00:52
ekcsBut that's where I want to hear from you guys and masahito to see if I'm mis-estimating the complexity of different things. Like maybe it's easy to manipulate processes in tempest. And maybe it's easy to deploy load balancer in tempest.00:52
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ekcsand that’s where we can also do tests simulating LB behavior.00:53
ekcsthat’s all from me.00:53
thinrichsI'd say it makes sense to use test_congress tests for more comprehensive testing.00:54
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thinrichsI usually think of tempest tests as checking that deployment and devstack are set up correctly.00:54
thinrichsAnd tempest tests parallelism.00:54
ramineni_thinrichs: swaning new processes and testing with curret tempest tests should be doable00:55
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thinrichsI guess we're already spinning up a new Congress instance inside the tempest tests.00:55
ekcsramineni_: right that’s an option as well.00:55
thinrichsSo there's the functionality to start new processes00:55
ramineni_yes00:55
thinrichswhich makes spinning up LBs inside of tempest a possibility00:55
ekcsit’s just not clear that it offers any benefit over test_congress style.00:56
thinrichsis test_congress running with true parallelism?00:56
thinrichsCan we effectively test race conditions?00:56
ekcsI assume that if you start new processes then it’s parallel.00:57
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ekcseven if only one core is allocated, you still get to test race conditions.00:57
thinrichsI'm always in favor of testing inside of test_congress since then we get feedback quicker when we've broken something.00:57
thinrichsAnd I think it ends up being more comprehensive.00:57
thinrichsbecause the tests are easier to write00:58
ekcsyup that’s my thought too. but want to hear/consider if there are advantages to doing it in tempest.00:58
ramineni_I agree , they would be more comperehensive00:58
ramineni_tempest maybe we can go for basic testing00:58
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thinrichsWe definitely want to test the real deployment with LBs, etc. using tempest.  Using test_congress for comprehensiveness makes sense to me too.00:59
thinrichs1 minute left.  Any last thoughts?00:59
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ramineni_i thought of adding unit tests for synchronizer too01:00
ramineni_https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/160922301:00
openstackramineni_: Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1609223 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1609223). The error has been logged01:00
thinrichsramineni_: that would be cool!01:00
thinrichsout of time01:00
thinrichsThanks all!01:00
ekcsthanks!01:00
thinrichs#endmeeting01:01
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andreaf#startmeeting qa09:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 11 09:00:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is andreaf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'qa'09:00
andreafHello - who's here for today?09:00
e0nehi09:00
andreafhi09:01
andreaftoday's agenda: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_August_11th_2016_.280900_UTC.2909:01
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andreaflet's wait 1 min more to see if someone else turns up09:02
andreafafazekas, mkoderer: around?09:02
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andreafIt's a bank holiday in Japan today so a few folks are missing today09:02
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andreafI'll quickly go through the agenda09:03
andreaf#topic Specs Reviews09:03
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andreaf#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z09:04
andreafThere are a couple of specs in progress09:04
andreaf#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173334/ for test resources09:04
andreafI need to review oomichi's comments on that, but more reviews would be welcome09:05
andreaf#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349730/09:05
andreafthat's tempest stable fixtures09:05
andreafwhich has an initial prototype as well: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351871/09:06
andreafI will be looking at alternate approaches i.e. testresources as well, which would mean moving away from class fixtures for good - but that may be too much effort at this stage09:06
* afazekas o/09:07
andreafhi09:07
andreafanything else on specs?09:08
andreaf#topic Tempest09:08
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andreafanything on Tempest anyone?09:09
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e0neandreaf:  I would like to ask you and all Tempest team to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32589509:09
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e0neandreaf: this is very important patch for Cinder team to improve our testing process09:09
andreaf#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32589509:10
e0nebtw, both myself and scottda are QA Liaisons for Cinder09:10
andreafe0ne: good to know :)09:11
andreafe0ne: I will add that to my review list09:11
e0nefeel free to contact us you you have any issues/questions :)09:12
e0neandreaf: thanks09:12
andreafe0ne: but you'll need a devstack core for a +A - it looks reasonable and it has already a +2 and several +109:13
andreafe0ne: try pinging sdague later for a +A09:13
e0neandreaf: got it, thanks for the information09:13
e0neandreaf: I thought that both tempest and devstack teams participate in this meetings09:14
andreafe0ne: yes they do, but it's hard to get devstack core attendance in the 9:00 UTC meeting09:15
andreafe0ne: you would have more luck on the 17:00 UTC one09:15
e0neandreaf: oh... thanks!09:15
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andreafon the Tempest side we have a lot of core reviewers in EMEA and Japan so we alternate times for the meeting09:16
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andreafanything on Tempest to be discussed?09:16
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e0neandreaf: nothing for me. I'll try to review cinder-related patches on a regular basis09:17
andreafe0ne: cool, thanks, it's a great help to get reviews from Liaisons09:18
andreaf#topic DevStack + Grenade09:18
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andreafNothing to add on this from me09:19
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andreaf309:19
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andreaf...09:19
andreaf# topic openstack-health09:19
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andreafok I guess nothing on this either09:20
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andreaf#topic Critical Reviews09:21
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andreafOne from my side: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347756/09:21
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andreafAfter this merges plugins can start using the new clients module from tempest.lib09:21
andreafOh and something I forgot to mention on tempest - the test-accounts periodic/experimental job is broken, I started looking into it09:22
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andreafIt looks like today's going to be a short meeting09:23
andreaf#topic Open Discussion09:23
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andreafanything else to be discussed from anyone?09:23
e0nenothing from me09:23
afazekasI would like to get some review on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348878/09:23
afazekasThe black listing is not really working with previous method as you can see in the bug report09:24
andreafafazekas: sure it09:25
andreafit's in my review list already09:26
andreafbut you'll need to grab mtreinish attention on it I think :)09:26
afazekas;)09:26
andreaf#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348878/09:26
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andreafok, I think we can end here for today09:27
andreafthanks everyone for attending09:27
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andreaf#endmeeting09:28
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Aug 11 09:28:12 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)09:28
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openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-08-11-09.00.txt09:28
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mriedem#startmeeting nova14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 11 14:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:00
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dansmithoj <-- headset emoticon, finishing another call14:00
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mriedemdansmith: i thought you were snorkling14:01
* edleafe is shocked to learn that dansmith is oJ!14:01
edleafe\o14:01
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mriedemok let's get started14:01
mriedem#link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova14:01
mriedem#topic release news14:01
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mriedem#link Newton release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Newton_Release_Schedule14:02
mriedem#info Aug 22-26: final non-client library release (oslo) - so if you  need things released from dependent libraries get them done soon14:02
mriedem^ just another reminder14:02
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mriedem#info Call for extra ATCs for Newton: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/101360.html14:02
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mriedemif you're looking for ATC credit for summit w/o a commit, see ^14:02
mriedemand let me know14:02
mriedemmikal had posted some names in the ML thread and some i was actually surprised by14:03
mriedemsince i thought they had commits14:03
mriedemany questions on the release? FF is 9/2 so we have about 3 weeks left14:03
mriedem#topic bugs14:03
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mriedemgate CI status is OK14:03
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mriedemthe check queue was super backed up yesterday, 500+14:04
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mriedembut i'm not aware of any blocking failures14:04
mriedem#link 3rd party CI status http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days14:04
mriedem #info Intel NFV CI is failing on stable branches because it doesn't install Tempest in a venv14:04
mriedemwznoinsk: do you have any updates on that?14:04
mriedemanyway, they are aware and are working on it14:05
mriedemi'm not aware of any critical bugs,14:05
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auggythere were two yesterday and fixes were released14:05
mriedemwe did have a regression with one of the config option cleanup changes reported in channel yesterday14:05
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mriedemauggy: ok,14:06
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mriedemthis is the one i was thinking of https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/161194014:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1611940 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "vncserver_proxyclient_address changed from stropt to ipopt, breaking backwards compat without deprecation" [High,Fix released]14:06
johnthetubaguymriedem: yeah, that was a good catch14:06
johnthetubaguyI added another for the service.py file for listen_addresses14:06
auggythe ones fixed yesterday were https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1609625 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/160969114:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1609625 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "The 'create:forced_host' policy is set to 'rule:admin_or_owner' by default" [Critical,Fix released] - Assigned to Takashi NATSUME (natsume-takashi)14:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1609691 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Non-admin users can lists VM instances of other projects (tenants) by default" [Critical,Fix released] - Assigned to Takashi NATSUME (natsume-takashi)14:07
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johnthetubaguyhere is my patch around that: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353917/14:07
mriedemah, ok, so policy slips14:07
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mriedemjohnthetubaguy: cool, i'll look after the meeting14:07
johnthetubaguyyeah, not sure if some where v2.1 back to beginning of time14:08
wznoinskmriedem: I'm sorry to be late, yes, the stable branches were affected because of a not-so-great workaround we had in place, it's now removed and the tempest/urllib issue is now gone14:08
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mriedemwznoinsk: great14:08
mriedemthanks for quickly fixing that14:08
johnthetubaguymriedem: using a hostname is a bit unreliable (does dns resolve, uses first ip it gets back), but legit and we used to allow, so we still should14:08
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mriedemjohnthetubaguy: yeah so maybe for these cases we should open a bug to eventually deprecate them from using hostname, but give that signal before we switch to IPs14:09
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mriedemmoving on14:09
johnthetubaguymriedem: yeah +1, give me the action to sort that out14:09
mriedem#action johnthetubaguy to sort out the deprecation plan for changing StrOpt configs to IPOpt for things that allow hostnames today14:10
mriedemthanks14:10
mriedem#topic reminders14:10
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mriedem#link Newton review focus list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking14:10
mriedem#help https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty Volunteers for 1 week of bug skimming duty?14:10
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mriedemlooks like next week is open for bug triage14:10
mriedem#topic stable branch status14:11
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mriedemstable/mitaka 13.1.1 was released this week14:11
mriedemwe have some good fixes lined up for review in stable/mitaka related to shelve bugs14:11
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mriedemwould be nice to get those in before 9/2 so we can do a small patch release14:11
mriedem#topic subteam highlights14:11
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mriedemalaski: cells v2 meeting highlights?14:12
alaskidansmith and I are going to have a chat about grenade testing after this meeting14:12
alaskiotherwise we touched on reviews that are up and ready14:12
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alaskithat was about it14:12
mriedemyup, ok14:12
mriedemthanks14:12
mriedemedleafe: jaypipes: scheduler subteam meeting highlights?14:13
edleafeShort meeting this week14:13
edleafeAdding eyes on jaypipes's rt-unit-test series, Yinxin's flavor/capability proposal, and cdent's placement DB stuff14:13
edleafeThat's it14:13
mriedemi had a question,14:13
mriedemdynamic resource classes14:13
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jaypipesmriedem: yes?14:13
mriedemthe spec wasn't approved for that14:13
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mriedemis it still a thing being pushed on for newton? or is it just a distraction from the placement API stuff at this point?14:14
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jaypipesmriedem: that is the stretch goal for us in Newton, yeah.14:14
jaypipesmriedem: it's part of the placement API. CRUD operations on resource classes.14:14
mriedemso https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312696/14:15
mriedemi see lots of -1s14:15
jaypipesmriedem: the integration of Ironic node resource class and dynamic resource classes isn't something we're aiming for in Newton, though. The stretch goal is only to add the REST API CRUD operations for user-defined resource classes.14:15
jaypipesto the placement API.14:15
mriedemso https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312696/ is something else then14:15
jaypipesmriedem: no.. that is the right spec.14:15
mriedemheh, ok :)14:16
jaypipesmriedem: the -1s are for really minor things or not related to the spec frankly.14:16
jaypipesmriedem: I'd REALLY appreciate a review on that from you and spec cores.14:16
mriedemmy concern is if time is being spent on a stretch goal when the main thing isn't done yet and we have 3 weeks left14:16
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jaypipesmriedem: perfection enemy of the good and all that...14:16
mriedembut i don't know the scope of the work proposed for newton for the CRUD ops and all14:17
mriedemanyway, i'm just bringing it up14:17
jaypipesmriedem: absolutely time is being spent 100% on the non-dynamic resource classes stuff right now.14:17
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mriedemand the RT unit test cleanups are paving the way for the RT calling the placement API?14:17
mriedemsorry i haven't been through all of that yet14:17
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jaypipesmriedem: it's very small scope (maybe 4 patches) that add simple lookup and add/delete ops for resource class strings.14:17
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jaypipesmriedem: yes, absolutely. the rt-unit-tests line things up (and actually most are already merged, only a few left on top of that stack)14:18
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dansmiththe rt-unit-tests set is really an excuse to pad my stats14:18
mriedemok, thanks for the update, i've been off on other things so needed that14:18
dansmithand I commend jaypipes for doing it14:18
jaypipesmriedem: and the final patch in that stack gets rid of the test_tracker.py/test_resource_tracker.py duplication, which is a nice win for clarity.14:18
mriedemwe can move on14:19
dansmithjaypipes: hah, I read that as "a nice win for charity"14:19
jaypipesheh14:19
mriedemtdurakov: any highlights from the live migration meeting this week?14:19
mriedemwell,14:20
mriedemmy recollection is most discussion was around live migration CI14:20
tdurakovmriedem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353002/ - merged, so hope we could add live-migration job to voting list soon14:20
mriedemtdurakov: ok and rebase https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329466/14:21
mriedemto enable nfs again14:21
tdurakovyup14:21
mriedemalright, thanks14:21
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mriedemmdbooth: did you want to mention anything about the image backend series?14:21
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mriedemstarts here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333242/14:22
mriedemmy impression is a lot of test re-write to get to some more meat14:22
mriedemwe can move on14:23
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mriedemsdague: alex_xu: api meeting highlights?14:23
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sdaguemostly the merge of the user_id policy spec14:23
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sdaguethough, we're still figuring out exactly what the code will look like14:24
mriedemi also started working on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347514/ yesterday14:24
mriedemand alex_xu has a thread about that here http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/101402.html14:24
mriedemi think we'll need to figure out if we're going to do a novaclient release before https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347514/ lands14:24
mriedembecause it has some backward incompatible changes in it14:24
mriedemat least in it's current form14:25
sdaguemriedem: that was always the intent right14:25
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mriedemwe talked about it at the midcycle14:25
mriedemi'd have to dig up notes to see14:25
mriedemwe talked about a lot of things...14:25
sdaguegiven the way releases work, we can do that even after the patch lands14:25
mriedemtrue14:25
johnthetubaguymriedem: you mean before or after the release freeze for newton?14:25
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: i meant before that patch lands,14:25
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mriedembut we can pick the hash so that matters less14:25
johnthetubaguyah, gotcha14:25
johnthetubaguyyeah14:25
mriedemit might be a 6.0.0 is what i mean14:26
mriedembut i think it's in pretty good shape, just need to cleanup functional tests and test it against mitaka14:26
mriedemlbeliveau: was there an sriov/pci meeting this week?14:26
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mriedemwill move on14:27
mriedemgibi: was there a notifications meeting?14:27
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wznoinskmriedem: sriov/pci was skipped this week14:28
mriedemok14:28
mriedem#topic stuck reviews14:28
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mriedemhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/200870/19, please give your opinion about comment on PS19 (abhishekk)14:28
mriedemabhishekk: jaypipes: dansmith: ^14:28
jaypipesmriedem: yeah, so...14:29
lbeliveaumriedem: yes, but was quick14:29
dansmithmelwitt is working on another angle at this,14:29
dansmithfrom the RT side14:29
dansmithI will reserve comment until I see that14:29
jaypipesmriedem: I understand abhishekk and other's concerns on this.14:29
dansmithbut I'm definitely not okay with the one that's proposed,14:29
dansmithand also don't think it's stuck14:29
jaypipesmriedem: however, like dansmith I don't like the proposed solution.14:29
jaypipesdansmith: I'm curious, what is melwitt's proposed solution involving the RT?14:30
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mriedemi haven't read into it so don't know the scope of the problem, but it sounded like 'resource providers fixes this, but that's not ready, and this bug has been open for 2+ years'14:30
abhishekkjaypipes: like you suggested I will send the mail to ML14:30
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dansmithjaypipes: just not adding disk to the total we report as used if the instance is volume-backed, like I suggested in one of my comments14:30
dansmithjaypipes: i.e. instead of harming the stored data about instances, just changing what is reported14:30
jaypipesmriedem: that is a good summary, yes.14:30
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dansmithmriedem: N+ years.. since the beginning of volume-backed instances.. nothing new14:31
johnthetubaguydansmith: that doesn't fix the scheduler filers I guess?14:31
jaypipesdansmith: you mean in the compute node's local_gb and local_gb_used fields, right?14:31
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dansmithjaypipes: yeah14:31
johnthetubaguydansmith: or at least, we need to do RT and when passing to scheduler I guess14:31
jaypipesjohnthetubaguy: it would fix those, yes.14:31
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: right, fix what we report that the scheduler users14:31
jaypipesjohnthetubaguy: since the scheduler goes from the compute node objects.14:31
johnthetubaguyjaypipes: but it would request 50 GB from the scheduler, when it actually needs 0 GB?14:32
johnthetubaguyagreed the reporting of used would be better, so the scheduler has the correct current state, if we fix the RT14:32
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dansmithjohnthetubaguy: the current patch changes what we request, I'd rather change what we report14:32
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dansmithbecause what we report is a point in time, what we request exists for the lifetime of the instance14:32
johnthetubaguyI just think we should do both, (although not the way that patch does it)14:32
dansmithwhy both? that does't help14:33
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johnthetubaguyso agreed about reporting the usage14:33
jaypipesdansmith: but in the boot from volume case, the requested disk_gb should actually be 0, no?14:33
alaskijust changing the rt means false negatives from the scheduler14:33
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johnthetubaguyjaypipes: right, thats the bit14:33
johnthetubaguyfor when you have a cloud with both bfv and non-bfv living next to each other14:33
dansmithI'm missing something14:34
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jaypipesjohnthetubaguy: right, and the alternative is essentially to create two different flavors, one for bfv cases and the other, with the increased disk_gb request, for non-bfv cases, right?14:34
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johnthetubaguyjaypipes: well, thats related to that spec we didn't get merged about having flavors that say BFV only14:35
alaskidansmith: the request to the scheduler needs to have disk_gb = 0 or it may filter out computes that can host a BFV instance14:35
johnthetubaguydansmith: so the request to the scheduler, current it says 50GB rather than 0GB14:35
dansmiththere's been a feature requested for a while that we restrict the size of a root volume to what the flavor says you can have14:35
dansmithand if we destroy the data we store about the flavor booted, we can't do that14:35
jaypipesdansmith: if I boot a flavor that has 50GB local_gb in the request (spec), but use a boot-from-volume operation, that 50GB should be 0GB.14:35
dansmithalaski: I see14:36
dansmithalaski: is that in the reqspec though?14:36
alaskiit is, but it's put there from the flavor14:36
alaskiif the conversion can happen there that would work14:36
johnthetubaguyyeah, needs to check for the bfv case14:36
dansmithwhat is requested is zero, but that's not related to the flavor from which it was booted, which might have further requirements14:37
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dansmithlike, how big of a volume it creates or allows, etc14:37
jaypipesguh, we should just use containers and all our problems would go away. ;P14:37
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edleafejaypipes: or rewrite in Go14:37
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* cdent gives jaypipes a cookie14:37
alaskidansmith: yeah, that would work. just need that and the proper rt reporting14:38
jaypipesdansmith: what is requested (in the request spec) is the *flavor's* local_gb, though, which if you boot-from-volume, should actually be ignored since the boot-from-volume case doesn't consume that space on disk.14:38
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dansmithjaypipes: currently, right14:38
dansmithjaypipes: but I'm saying the reqspec _should_ be the things we're asking the scheduler to find for us,14:38
jaypipesdansmith: so I agree with johnthetubaguy that we need to fix both the request spec and the usage reporting in the RT.14:38
dansmithwhich in the bfv case should be zero14:39
jaypipesdansmith: agreed.14:39
dansmithbut storing the flavor on the instance with a zeroed out disk doesn't make sense to me14:39
jaypipesdansmith: why not?14:39
dansmithjaypipes: this is the thing you're -2d for right?14:39
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jaypipesyes, but I -2'd it because in the resource providers world, all this accounting changes dramatically.14:40
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johnthetubaguydansmith: FWIW, I hate that too, I just didn't see this alternative till after you pointed it out14:40
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jaypipesdansmith: because in the r-p world, there simply won't be a requested amount of DISK_GB resources.14:40
dansmithjaypipes: right14:40
jaypipesdansmith: a non-existing record in the request in the r-p world is different from a request for 0 amount of local_gb, that's all I mean..14:41
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dansmithwhen we create a volume for a nfv request, don't we use the flavor size to create the volume?14:41
jaypipesdansmith: lol, bfv, not nfv. :)14:41
dansmithhah14:41
dansmithwhen we create a volume for a bfv request, don't we use the flavor size to create the volume?14:42
alaskiwe don't use the flavor size at all in bfv14:42
jaypipesdansmith: and no, I don't believe we use the flavor size.14:42
dansmithwhat size do we use?14:42
mriedemthe size is passed in on the block_device_mapping14:42
johnthetubaguyso I think the request spec conversion just ensures 0GB, and the RT reports 0GB usage when its a BFV thingy, isn't that what we want here? I like not hacking the stored flavor, if possible14:42
alaskiit's passed in as part of the request14:42
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johnthetubaguydansmith: we optionally use the flavor size I thought14:42
johnthetubaguylike if you don't give a size14:42
alaskiroot_gb makes zero sense in bfv14:42
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: yeah, I thought so14:42
johnthetubaguyI mean I hate it, I just thought thats what we did14:43
dansmithalaski: unless you use it to prevent a user from booting a big root disk from a tiny flavor,14:43
dansmithwhich is a request we've had outstanding for a while14:43
dansmithalaski: i.e. don't boot an m1.tiny with a 25T root disk volume14:43
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alaskiI disagree with it for bfv though14:43
alaskibut we can take that offline14:43
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dansmithI disagree with bfv14:44
dansmithin general14:44
alaski+114:44
jaypipesso, a decision needs to be made in the case of abhishekk's patch. I think I'd be OK letting this patch in -- possibly with an addition from melwitt around the RT accounting of things (if needed). And putting a giant TODO(jaypipes): Remove all of this in r-p world. To indicate it will all be ripped out when resource providers comes around.14:44
johnthetubaguywell I disagree with shared storage and bfv being a thing, we should have one, but that ship sailed14:45
dansmithwhy do that though?14:45
dansmithwe'll end up with some instances with different data for the flavor14:45
dansmithfor like six months,14:45
dansmithand then we merge the real fix14:45
dansmiththis has been this way for YEARS14:45
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johnthetubaguyso we don't need to persisit it14:45
mriedemi thought the agreement was (1) fix request spec and (2) fix RT14:45
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johnthetubaguywe could just convert it in request spec and RT, for the short term14:45
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mriedemi'm not seeing in the compute api where we ues the flavor size for a volume bdm14:46
jaypipesdansmith: right, that's what we're saying. fix the request spec and fix the RT to report the compute_node's usage "properly" when a BFV instance is on it (i.e. don't use flavor.root_gb in the usage calcs on the RT for BFV instances_)14:46
jaypipesdansmith: and do NOT change the stored flavor.root_gb value.14:46
mriedemi even see14:47
alaskimriedem: me neither14:47
dansmithmriedem: if we can just convert it in the reqspec then I'm cool with that, but if that ends up storing zero disk in the flavor I'm unhappy aboutthat14:47
mriedem# Target disk is a volume. Don't check flavor disk size because it14:47
mriedem        # doesn't make sense, and check min_disk against the volume size.14:47
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dansmithjaypipes: if we can do that then that's fine14:47
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mriedemi only see flavor size used for ephemeral and swap bdms14:47
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jaypipesmriedem: well, if that's the case, we only need to fix the RT.14:48
mriedemBUT14:48
mriedemthis is bdm code we're talking about14:48
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jaypipesoh fuck.14:48
mriedemso there is probably an OR or a default value somewhere14:48
jaypipesnever mind then ;)14:48
mriedemwe could, you know, just actually test the gd scenario and see what happens :)14:49
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mriedembingo14:49
mriedem    def _volume_size(instance_type, bdm):14:49
mriedem        size = bdm.get('volume_size')14:49
mriedem        # NOTE (ndipanov): inherit flavor size only for swap and ephemeral14:49
mriedembut let's move on, sounds like there is a path forward,14:50
abhishekkhi all, could you please add your opinion on the patch as a comment, it will be helpful14:50
mriedemwith maybe an open question about flavor inherited size for bfv, maybe mdbooth or ftersin knows, but we could also test it14:50
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mriedem#topic open discussion14:51
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mriedemthere wasn't anything on the agenda14:51
mriedemdoes anyone have anything?14:51
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mriedemok let's wrap up then14:52
mriedemthanks everyone14:52
mriedem#endmeeting14:52
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johnthetubaguywow, that was fast, doh!14:52
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armaxanyone?22:01
amullerhiho22:01
njohnstono/22:01
armaxor superbusy making Neutron great?22:01
amuller(again)22:01
HenryGyes22:01
HenryGor breaking it, I never can tell22:01
armaxdougwig is on PTO22:02
armaxI don’t see amotoki22:02
armaxcarl_baldwin and kevinbenton not sure if they are going to join22:02
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armaxwanna wait a tad longer?22:03
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amulleryeah22:03
HenryGI am around anyway22:04
* armax winds up his clock22:04
amullerarmax: do you have Kevin and Carl's hangouts or something?22:04
armaxamuller: I have their SSNs if that helps22:04
amullerheh22:05
armax:)22:05
amullerthe new penalty of not showing up at driver meetings is identity theft22:05
armaxyou thinking of a fraud scam?22:05
kevinbentonhi!22:05
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armaxdamn22:05
armaxamuller: your plan has gone puuf22:05
amullerarmax: did you want to sample the current state of ongoing blueprints?22:05
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armaxamuller: that’s what we started doing last week22:06
amullerok22:06
armaxI did reach out a few folks offline22:06
armaxbut I have not finished the round yet22:06
amullersorry I was out hunting apartments22:06
armaxperhaps this time can pick on haleyb22:06
armaxhaleyb: at ease22:07
armaxI meant to summon HenryG22:07
HenryGI am here22:07
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armaxHenryG: is there anything we can do to nudge blueprint enginefacade-switch22:09
armaxalong?22:09
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armaxwhen can we consider the blueprint done and ‘done done’?22:09
HenryGI think it's "done done" when the reader/writer contexts have been applied everywhere.22:10
armaxack22:10
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HenryGThe problem is that each module or resource requires some individualized attention to detail.22:11
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kevinbentonHenryG: if we leverage the context managers instead of the decorator isn't it a pretty much 1:1 swap?22:12
armaxHenryG: is there any prep work required to get to a point where the individual r/w contexts can be introduced?22:12
armaxHenryG: in progress and that requires attention?22:12
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HenryGarmax: it's in progress already22:13
HenryGBTW, has the meeting started?22:13
dasmHenryG: nope22:14
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HenryGkevinbenton: that may be easier, but it was not the original plan so I have not looked into it much.22:14
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armaxdoh22:14
armax#startmeeting neutron_drivers22:14
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:15
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armaxHenryG, kevinbenton: so where do we go from here22:17
armax?22:17
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kevinbentonHenryG, armax: I think it will get done a lot quicker if we use the context managers22:18
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HenryGI hope so, let's try that22:18
kevinbentonusing the decorators means the whole function has to be 'PRECOMMIT' so-to-speak22:18
armaxkevinbenton: it depends if that’s what zzzeek was proposing?22:18
kevinbentonwhich means every one requires a refactor22:18
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kevinbentonarmax: well the difference between the context manager and the decorator is just syntax22:19
armaxkevinbenton: yes, that’s something I questioned22:19
kevinbentonthey both use the new reader/writer thingy22:19
kevinbentonso we still get the advantages of that22:19
HenryGI don't know if zzzeek new how many of our methods do things after commiting before they return22:20
HenryG*knew22:20
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kevinbentonyeah, or did things before teh transaction started22:20
HenryGright22:20
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armaxHenryG: I suppose this was investigation required before starting this endeavor22:20
kevinbentonbut really the difference between the decorator vs the context manager is just syntactic sugar22:21
HenryGarmax: Yeah, my bad22:21
kevinbentonthe important thing is switching to the new facade22:21
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HenryGI'll also check with Ann how much time she has to work on the BP. We may need to assign additional people.22:22
armaxI see two chunks of work here22:22
armaxswitching to the facade, and revising the DB interactions throught the codebase, if required22:22
armaxhave we done the former?22:22
HenryGyes22:22
armaxok, great22:22
armaxno though we must leverage it22:23
armaxfully22:23
armaxcorrect?22:23
HenryGright22:23
armaxsweet22:23
armaxas for the way we leverage it we can either go with what kevinbenton is suggesting22:23
HenryGThere was a bump due to incorporating osprofiler22:23
armaxwhich seems less invasive22:23
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armaxor go with what zzeeek was suggesting, which is more invasive?22:24
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HenryGit requires refactoring, yes22:24
armaxcan we come up with a plan in time for the mid-cycle so that we can pull this off by the end of next week? Is it achievable?22:24
kevinbentonthere is almost no benefit to using the decorator instead of the manager. the only thing i can see is that it makes it a little easier to reason about a function being entirely enclosed in a transaction22:24
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kevinbentonso even if we could do the decorator really quickly, i would be against it this late in the cycle due to all of the code churn it will cause22:25
HenryGthe "plan" would be 'search and replace' using the context manager22:25
armaxkevinbenton: we can’t simply apply the decorator blindly though, can we?22:25
kevinbentonHenryG: +122:26
kevinbentonarmax: that's my point22:26
kevinbentonarmax: decorator we can't apply without thinking and refactoring22:26
armaxkevinbenton: right, that goes back to the refactoring need, which is a mess22:26
kevinbentonarmax: context manager we pretty much can22:26
armaxack22:26
armaxdo we lose any benefit if we used the context manager based approver over decorators?22:26
armaxthen we can still make a mandate that new junk uses the decorator22:26
armaxcan the two co-exist?22:26
kevinbentonno different22:27
kevinbentonthey are just different entry points into the same class22:27
kevinbentoni looked into it22:27
HenryGUsing the decorator forces a cleaner transaction design IMO22:27
armaxright, so if it’s cleaner/more readable to use the decorator then we can suggest using it during code review22:27
armaxand apply it where it’s easier to do so22:27
amulleragreed22:27
amullerit's two different efforts22:27
armaxie. the whole method is easily wrappable22:28
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kevinbentonthat becomes difficult when we want to emit PRECOMMIT and AFTER events22:28
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armaxkevinbenton: understood22:28
kevinbentonjust have to break things down into more functions i suppose22:28
armaxcorrect22:28
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HenryGack22:29
armaxwe can apply this ad hoc22:29
armaxand going forward we can keep an eye on suggesting to use the decorator-based approach where it makes sense22:29
armaxfor now, we should switch to the new facade everywhere where it’s needed22:29
armaxand be done with it22:29
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HenryGI think we agree22:29
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armaxgoing forward we can go piecemeal22:29
armaxbetween a little review attention and janitorial duties in cleaning up the code slowly22:30
armaxas low-hanging-fruit type of an effort22:30
armaxaye aye?22:30
HenryGyes sir!22:30
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carl_baldwin++22:31
armaxHenryG: please capture this on the blueprint/bug, I am going to have you take a written test next week22:31
armaxsee if you can get an A22:31
armax:)22:31
HenryG:)22:31
armaxok, let’s continue drilling/interrogating HenryG22:31
armaxblueprint keystone-v322:32
armaxwhere’s our API compat layer shim patch?22:32
armaxshow me the money!22:32
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HenryGWe have tenant_id rename cleanups to do, and API update.22:33
HenryGI have started on the former, and dasm is preparing the latter.22:33
HenryGdasm: any update on the progress?22:34
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dasmi talked to blogan about ideas how to implement api change.22:34
dasmalthough it's not baked yet22:35
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armaxok22:35
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dasmi have couple ideas and will prepare it asap22:35
armaxdasm: ack22:35
armaxcan you give us an ETA?22:35
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armaxis it something we can look at next week you reckon?22:36
dasmi hope22:36
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dasmwill try to do this till EOD Tuesday22:36
armaxdasm: ok, if there’s anything we can do, a shoulder to cry on…or anything else give us a shout22:37
armax:)22:37
dasmarmax: shoulder is nice :) will remember, thanks22:37
armaxdasm: I can bring candies too22:37
armaxdasm: sugar helps22:37
dasm:) let's leave it for midcycle22:38
armaxdeal22:38
HenryGdasm: whatever you have, we can accelerate on it in person in Cork22:38
kevinbentonlinux bridge job is busted!?!? stop the press!22:38
HenryGkevinbenton: fix is in the works22:38
armaxkevinbenton: YES22:38
armaxit’s a nova issue22:38
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HenryGos-vif actually22:39
armaxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/354402/22:39
kevinbentonsorry for meeting hijack :)22:39
armaxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/354143/22:39
armaxHenryG: you stand corrected :)22:39
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armaxbut yeah I can lean towards your statement ;)22:39
armaxok let’s move on22:40
armaxHenryG: you can relax now22:40
HenryGI was never unrelaxed :)22:40
armaxI thought my inquisitive tone was scary22:41
armaxI should practice more22:41
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kevinbenton(so we're waiting on os-vif release?)22:41
armaxkevinbenton: stop!22:42
armaxkevinbenton: actually I summon you now22:42
armaxblueprint push-notifications22:42
kevinbentonihar and the ovo folks are trying to get the bare minimum objects required for this work so i can at least send OVO's over the wire22:42
armaxihar mentioned some ovo patches in preparation of some RPC work required22:43
kevinbentongonna sync up with him at the midcycle to make sure i have everything i need22:43
armaxyou mean ports, networks, and the likes?22:43
kevinbentonyep22:43
armaxwithout that you’re dead in the water?22:43
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armaxhow far off are we?22:44
kevinbentonwell either that or we have to send unversioned dicts over the wire22:44
kevinbentonand figure out a backward compatibility plan22:44
kevinbentonwhich may be, send the API representation22:44
kevinbentonbut that's plan B22:44
armaxok22:44
amullersounds like the plan going forward will be finalized in the mid cycle anyway22:45
kevinbentonyep22:45
armaxhow close are get you unblocked?22:45
kevinbentonneed to review the latest stuff before i can tell22:45
armaxok22:45
armaxkevinbenton: can I kindly and humbly ask you to update the whiteboard when you do?22:45
kevinbentonarmax: sure22:45
kevinbentonarmax: you can certainly ask22:45
armaxthat doesn’t sound convincing22:46
armaxum22:46
armaxkevinbenton: you also promised me something to review as far as l3-flavors goes22:46
armaxkevinbenton: because of you I am spending most of my days looking at en empty gerrit queue, I have nothing to review!22:46
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kevinbentonarmax: it's because i spend so much time re-reviewing these vlan-aware-vm patches from you :)22:47
armaxkevinbenton: cheap shot22:47
armaxkevinbenton: truth is, you spend too much time fixing the bugs you introduce with your bug fixes22:47
armaxkevinbenton: there!22:48
armaxtop that!22:48
kevinbenton*shots fired*22:48
armax:)22:48
kevinbentonwhere is dougwig?22:48
carl_baldwinGetting hot on here.22:48
armaxhe’s on PTO somewhere in the world22:48
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armaxkevinbenton: ok, I’ll harass you offline22:49
kevinbentonarmax: i have no l3-flavors for you today22:49
kevinbentonarmax: i stepped on a landmine in the quota code that salv left for us :)22:49
johnsomHe is in glacier park...22:49
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kevinbentoni'll be in glacier the week after the mid-cycle!22:50
kevinbentonwe should have coordinated22:50
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armaxkevinbenton: ok, let me understand the blast radius and we’ll come up with a remedy plan22:50
kevinbentonarmax: only a very unlikely unit test failure. nothing bad22:51
armaxkevinbenton: when do you learn that my heart is weak and you should measure the words you use?22:51
kevinbentonarmax: i didn't say it was the hindenburg!22:51
kevinbentonarmax: next topic! derailed22:52
armaxok22:52
armaxamuller: you’re summoned22:52
armaxblueprint troubleshooting22:52
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amullerI talked to Hynek today22:52
armaxI owe you an answer on the spec, I’ll get it to you22:52
amullerthere's some sticking points on the spec he didn't really know how to answer22:52
amullerI think some of the discussions there are kind of abstract, so I suggested he will retort with concrete examples so the discussion can be more fruitful22:53
armaxdo you have time tomorrow to go over them together?22:53
amulleryes22:53
armaxamuller: I appreciate this is a tough nut to crack22:53
amulleryeah it's surprisingly complicated22:53
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amullerI'd appreciate it if other folks could chime in on the spec also22:54
amullerit's largely been the Armando show22:54
carl_baldwinI can read it tonight.22:54
amuller#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308973/22:54
armaxmy general concern is that the level of sophistication he’s aiming for is too high22:54
amullerDid I do it wrong? :)22:54
armaxamuller: you did splendily22:55
armaxsplendidly22:55
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armaxok, amuller hit me tomorrow22:56
amullerarmax: ack22:56
armaxfiguratively speaking22:56
amullerheeh22:56
armaxok, let’s get 4 minutes back22:57
armax3 now22:57
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carl_baldwinBye22:57
armaxthanks everyone who helped us painting a fresh picture of how messy our sausage making process is22:57
armax#endmeeting22:57
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