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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 3 08:00:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 08:00 |
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| anteaya | hello | 08:00 |
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| lennyb | hi | 08:00 |
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| lennyb | anteaya, how are you | 08:01 |
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| anteaya | hey lennyb | 08:01 |
| anteaya | I'm good thanks | 08:02 |
| anteaya | how are you? | 08:02 |
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| lennyb | I am fine. | 08:02 |
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| anteaya | great | 08:02 |
| anteaya | have you anything you would like to discuss today? | 08:02 |
| lennyb | I have nothing to discuss yet (as an answer to your next question) | 08:03 |
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| anteaya | :) | 08:03 |
| anteaya | you know me | 08:03 |
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| lennyb | I hope you have bot/shortcats for this :) | 08:03 |
| anteaya | well I will just stay here a few more minutes in case anyone new shows up | 08:03 |
| anteaya | nope | 08:03 |
| lennyb | sure | 08:03 |
| anteaya | not a fan of bots | 08:03 |
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| anteaya | does anyone object to me closing the meeting today? | 08:10 |
| lennyb | nope. see u next week | 08:10 |
| anteaya | thank you lennyb | 08:10 |
| anteaya | see you next week | 08:10 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 08:11 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 3 08:11:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:11 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-05-03-08.00.html | 08:11 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-05-03-08.00.txt | 08:11 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-05-03-08.00.log.html | 08:11 |
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| saggi | #startmeeting smaug | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 3 14:00:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is saggi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: smaug)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'smaug' | 14:00 |
| saggi | Hi everyone | 14:00 |
| saggi | Who's here? | 14:00 |
| chenying_ | hi | 14:00 |
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| xyang1 | hi | 14:00 |
| yuval | hey | 14:00 |
| xiangxinyong | hi | 14:00 |
| yinweimac | hi | 14:00 |
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| sgotliv | o/ | 14:01 |
| * smcginnis is lurking | 14:01 | |
| saggi | :) | 14:01 |
| sgotliv | saggi, I am lurking too | 14:01 |
| saggi | OK, so let's start. | 14:02 |
| saggi | #topic OpenStack Summit update | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Summit update (Meeting topic: smaug)" | 14:02 | |
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| saggi | So I was the only one from that Smaug that was able to get it to the summit. | 14:02 |
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| saggi | I thought it went well. | 14:02 |
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| saggi | I tried to go around and shove Smaug in to people's faces | 14:03 |
| saggi | I hope I wasn't to obnoxious. | 14:03 |
| xiangxinyong | :) | 14:03 |
| smcginnis | Lot's of interest and good things said about the project from what I heard. | 14:03 |
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| saggi | I got to speak to a lot of people and there is some interest stirring. | 14:03 |
| saggi | There are a lot of people I need to touch base with | 14:04 |
| saggi | but the general feeling is that people understand that this is a piece that is currently missing. | 14:04 |
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| xyang1 | saggi: hi, I talked to you at the cinder session. will need to talk more later | 14:04 |
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| saggi | xyang1: sure, no problem | 14:05 |
| saggi | I will send a link to the mailing list with the vbrownbag presentation I did. | 14:05 |
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| saggi | People tell me it's good. I still can't bare looking at my own recordings. | 14:05 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 14:05 |
| saggi | I got some good feedback from Cinder people. | 14:06 |
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| xiangxinyong | saggi: great work | 14:06 |
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| saggi | There are still point of integration that need to get ironed out. | 14:06 |
| saggi | Mainly a way for us to understand more about types. Since now the are (purposefully) opaque. | 14:06 |
| saggi | And this will cause problem if we ever need to do something vendor specific. Since we will need to pick inside and see which vendor is driving what type. | 14:07 |
| xyang1 | we are designing replication api in cinder, so good to discuss about how to integrate with smaug | 14:07 |
| saggi | Every vendor I spoke with (admittedly not a lot of them) tell me to manually poke around the host and voume and guess what is installed. | 14:08 |
| saggi | xyang1: Are there any special irc meetings for that. Or is it in the general Cinder IRC meeting? | 14:08 |
| xyang1 | saggi: we discussed about it on Friday and wednesday | 14:09 |
| saggi | I was on Wednesday but I couldn't make it on Friday. I'll look up the meeting notes. | 14:09 |
| xyang1 | I have specs, will update them after getting feedback from the summit | 14:10 |
| saggi | But I was asking about any on going tracking of the feature. | 14:10 |
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| xyang1 | saggi: we talked about them on Friday afternoon | 14:10 |
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| smcginnis | saggi: So far just weekly meetings and midcycles. No special meetings planned for it. | 14:11 |
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| saggi | xyang1: I know, I was going to get there but I there were problems with my flight\luggage I had to sort out. | 14:11 |
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| saggi | smcginnis: OK, it's on us to be on top of it. | 14:11 |
| xyang1 | saggi: ok, let me get the spec link | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | saggi: We can try to keep you updated on any changes. | 14:12 |
| saggi | smcginnis: Thanks | 14:12 |
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| smcginnis | saggi: But if there is something smaug needs exposed to be able to integrate well, let us know and we can work out a way to enable it. | 14:12 |
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| xyang1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229722/ | 14:13 |
| saggi | smcginnis: I'll look up the spec today if it's updated. | 14:13 |
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| xyang1 | this needs to be updated though | 14:13 |
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| saggi | xyang1: I added myself as a reviewer so I'll get an email when it's updated. | 14:13 |
| xyang1 | I'd like to describe the flow in the spec on how smaug can use this api | 14:14 |
| saggi | xyang1: Go ahead. | 14:14 |
| xyang1 | ok, thanks | 14:14 |
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| chenying_ | A good news. So far, The integration testing of cinder backup plugins has done. about volume backup, restore and delete action. | 14:15 |
| xyang1 | chenying_: are those in review or merged? | 14:16 |
| saggi | chenying: Are you using v2 or v3? | 14:16 |
| chenying_ | some patches are in review | 14:16 |
| saggi | chenying, please post a link | 14:16 |
| chenying_ | <saggi>: you means cinder api V2? | 14:17 |
| saggi | yes | 14:17 |
| chenying_ | yes we use cinder api V2 | 14:17 |
| smcginnis | We've actually moved on the v3 now with the addition of microversion in our API. | 14:17 |
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| xyang1 | saggi: I scanned your repo, it looks like currently there is code for backup and restore, but not for replication yet. is that right? | 14:18 |
| saggi | Yes | 14:18 |
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| chenying_ | Ok I will start the work using cinder api v3. | 14:18 |
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| saggi | chenying, There are some minor things to keep in mind when using microversions though. I'll speak to you about it afterwards. | 14:19 |
| chenying_ | Ok | 14:19 |
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| saggi | xyang1: We want to have the full cycle working with good testing and then start adding more features. | 14:20 |
| saggi | cycle==backup->restore | 14:20 |
| xyang1 | saggi: sure | 14:20 |
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| saggi | I also, had some conversation with Freezer's PTL. I think I gave a strong arguments about them trying to integrate instead of them trying to do everything. We chose to schedule a specific meeting and see | 14:21 |
| saggi | how we can integrate. | 14:21 |
| xiangxinyong | saggi: integrate with freezer? | 14:21 |
| xyang1 | saggi: I also heard that they want to do everything thenselves | 14:21 |
| saggi | xyang1: I know :) I tried to be political. | 14:22 |
| xyang1 | saggi: your approach is better | 14:22 |
| saggi | xyang1: I am trying to convince them to concentrate on guest assistance | 14:22 |
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| yinweimac | they want to do what by themselves? for eg? | 14:22 |
| saggi | They currently bypass cinder and use their own implementation for backup\replication | 14:23 |
| chenying_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/smaug some patches about the plugins are open. Welcome to review them. | 14:23 |
| chenying_ | We have plans to integrate with freezer | 14:23 |
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| chenying_ | also about okka | 14:23 |
| saggi | and now they also want to do monitoring. Which I think is a bit of spreading a bit too thin. | 14:23 |
| saggi | guest agent\assitance is a whole different story | 14:24 |
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| saggi | I spoke with some operators and vendors and they don't really agree about having an agent or doing it through ssh | 14:24 |
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| saggi | It's something we need to talk to them about or maybe someone else. I don't know if this should be in our scope or not. | 14:26 |
| yinweimac | yes, customers care about security issue. agentless is more preferred | 14:26 |
| saggi | I suggested using something similar to Ansible (or just Ansible) that deploys code, runs it and then cleans up afterwards. | 14:27 |
| saggi | But this is something I need actual operators to way in. | 14:27 |
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| saggi | Since it's less technological and more preference standpoint. In the end we will need to run privileged code in the guest. | 14:28 |
| saggi | No way around it. | 14:29 |
| saggi | Unless people don't want application level consistency | 14:29 |
| yinweimac | what they want agent to work for? | 14:29 |
| yinweimac | monitor failure status? | 14:29 |
| yinweimac | ok | 14:29 |
| saggi | Before backup | 14:29 |
| yinweimac | got it | 14:29 |
| saggi | Tell DB to flush all transactions | 14:29 |
| saggi | Get their application to flush in memory infor | 14:30 |
| saggi | Application level stuff | 14:30 |
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| saggi | This is classic use case for Smaug as it requires coordination between multiple OpenStack entities. | 14:30 |
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| sgotliv | saggi, did you have a chance to talk to the Trove community about backups? | 14:31 |
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| saggi | No, I did not have a chance to speak with them. | 14:32 |
| sgotliv | they may be interested too | 14:33 |
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| saggi | I did speak briefly with the Manilla guys since they are now working on their backup apis. | 14:33 |
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| saggi | sgotliv: They are not targeted for Smaug v1. (unless we get more resources) but I'll try and see what they think about the project. | 14:33 |
| xyang1 | saggi: anyone working on manila plugins in smaug? | 14:33 |
| sgotliv | and Trove consider to start using Cinder and Manila to backup databases | 14:33 |
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| yinweimac | xyang1: not yet | 14:34 |
| saggi | xyang1: No, we don't have enough resources for that. We wanted to push them to version 1 but we don't see how we can't get that many things stable. | 14:35 |
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| saggi | xyang1: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/File:Smaug-available-protectables.svg | 14:36 |
| yinweimac | but that would be a good suggestion and we will take a look at it later, right? saggi? both manila and trove I mean | 14:36 |
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| saggi | yinweimac: They were in the original tree. If we get more people early enough in the cycle than we'll add more protectables. | 14:37 |
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| saggi | I prefer stability right now more than features. | 14:38 |
| xiangxinyong | saggi: do you hear about ekko? http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/ekko/ | 14:38 |
| saggi | Respect is something you earn | 14:39 |
| xyang1 | saggi: are you using cinder backup and restore APIs? | 14:39 |
| yinweimac | yes | 14:39 |
| saggi | xyang1: Yes | 14:39 |
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| xyang1 | saggi: great | 14:39 |
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| yinweimac | currently the cinder plugin is based on cinder backup/restore | 14:39 |
| xyang1 | yinweimac: thanks, I'll take a look | 14:40 |
| saggi | I also met up with sgotliv and Sean Cohen which told me about some use cases they have from users at Red Hat. | 14:41 |
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| saggi | It seems like we could be a good fit. | 14:41 |
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| sgotliv | saggi, absolutely | 14:41 |
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| saggi | There are a lot more stuff that happened. But we're running out of time. I'll compose an email to the team so you are all up to date. yuval already has some stuff to figure out how to solve. | 14:43 |
| saggi | #topic Status updates | 14:43 |
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| saggi | I know that you all worked on getting the full backup\restore running by this week | 14:43 |
| saggi | How is that doing? | 14:44 |
| saggi | going | 14:44 |
| saggi | Are we ready for shipping :) | 14:44 |
| yinweimac | it works now | 14:44 |
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| saggi | nova\cinder\neutron ? | 14:44 |
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| yinweimac | in shenzhen lab we have integrated smaug with hybrid cloud, and both nova/cinder works | 14:44 |
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| yinweimac | there we don't need restore network, just binding floating ip will do | 14:45 |
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| saggi | Are you binding them through restore options? | 14:45 |
| yinweimac | and I guess in chengdu lab, chenying also have got one smaug with devstak work. Just only cinder there. | 14:45 |
| yinweimac | yes | 14:46 |
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| yinweimac | you mean restore parameters? | 14:46 |
| saggi | yes | 14:46 |
| yinweimac | no, that's same floating ip we protected | 14:46 |
| saggi | Oh, right since they are proxied | 14:47 |
| yinweimac | parameter is the feature we need further enhanced | 14:47 |
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| saggi | are there tests for everything? | 14:47 |
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| yinweimac | almost | 14:47 |
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| yinweimac | create plan, create trigger, schedule operation, create checkpoint, list checkpoint, restore checkpoint, etc. | 14:48 |
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| saggi | awsome! | 14:48 |
| chenying_ | chenhuayi is developing the restore action of neutron plugin. After that, we will start integrating test with neutron plugin. | 14:48 |
| saggi | great | 14:49 |
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| saggi | #topic Task Flow improvement | 14:49 |
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| yinweimac | yes, we will have two categories of plugins, one for original openstack, the other for hybrid cloud | 14:49 |
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| saggi | That's the plan | 14:49 |
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| saggi | yuval did a lot of good work getting tasks to work like we want them to | 14:50 |
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| yuval | hey all :) | 14:50 |
| yuval | well: | 14:50 |
| yuval | Regarding the operations (protect, restore, delete) workflow | 14:50 |
| yuval | In the current design, resource tasks start in order of their dependency, but they might invoke async actions, which can complete after their parent actions are invoked. | 14:51 |
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| yuval | As you might recall, I sent the suggestion for the workflow to the mailing list | 14:51 |
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| yuval | The purpose of the design is to let Protection Plugin writers the ability to perform the steps required for the operation in the correct order and in parallel, if possible | 14:51 |
| saggi | BTW, async actions are polled actions. actions that we wait on someone else (like cinder backup) and the worflow host doesn't invke itself. | 14:52 |
| yuval | correct, thanks | 14:52 |
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| yuval | The workflow issue is highly important. The design need to support all use-cases and we need to complete it quick, as all Protection Plugins depend on it | 14:52 |
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| yuval | the suggestion I sent includes two types of activities: SyncActivity and ParallelActivity | 14:53 |
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| yuval | After discussion with Saggi and his impressions from the summit, I believe there is a need for an additional type of activity, which operates before dependent resources Activity begin | 14:53 |
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| yuval | (this can be used, for example, to tell the guest agent to complete transactions and flush) | 14:54 |
| yuval | This concludes for 3 types of activities, which differ by time they are invoked in respect for other resource activities: | 14:54 |
| yuval | 14:55 | |
| yuval | PreActivity (which operates before dependent resources activities are invoked. for example, tell guest agent to flush) | 14:55 |
| yuval | WorkerActivity / ParallelActivity (which operates in parallel to other resources WorkerActivities. can be used to perform heavy lifting) | 14:55 |
| yuval | PostActivity / SyncActivity (which operates after dependent resources completed all their activities. can be used to perform work which depend on child resources status) | 14:55 |
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| yuval | You can view an example of such design (currently lacking the PreActivity, and names may differ): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310385 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310386 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310498 | 14:55 |
| yuval | </p> :) | 14:55 |
| saggi | pre\post are used to bookend some actions like quiesce and unquiesce (if this is the proper term) | 14:56 |
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| saggi | It's important that (A) people review this so it gets in (B) Everyone understands how it works since all the plugins will use this. | 14:57 |
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| saggi | Changing this interface later effects all plugins. It's important we get this right. | 14:58 |
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| saggi | yinweimac, I especially want a review from you. | 14:58 |
| yuval | I'll send an updated document tomorrow | 14:58 |
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| saggi | This is the last minute. So I'd like to thank all the new people that joined us today. We hope you come back for the next meeting. | 14:59 |
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| yinweimac | sorry for the late response, I was busy with our tdr3 demo and incomming demo next week | 14:59 |
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| saggi | We do want to make it weekly and have one time for US and one time for China. | 15:00 |
| yinweimac | I will try to get time to check it | 15:00 |
| yinweimac | that's good | 15:00 |
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| saggi | smcginnis, xyang1, sgotliv, thank you again for helping. | 15:00 |
| xyang1 | saggi: thank you | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | saggi: +1 | 15:00 |
| saggi | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 3 15:01:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/smaug/2016/smaug.2016-05-03-14.00.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/smaug/2016/smaug.2016-05-03-14.00.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/smaug/2016/smaug.2016-05-03-14.00.log.html | 15:01 |
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| mmedvede | #startmeeting third-party | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 3 17:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mmedvede. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 17:00 |
| asselin_ | o/ | 17:00 |
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| mmedvede | hey asselin_ | 17:00 |
| asselin_ | hi mmedvede | 17:01 |
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| mmedvede | I'll see how many people show up, I was wondering with summit if we should cancel it | 17:01 |
| asselin_ | how was the summit? | 17:02 |
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| mmedvede | it was interesting. I did not know what to expect from design portion of it | 17:02 |
| asselin_ | first summit? | 17:03 |
| mmedvede | yes | 17:03 |
| mmedvede | It was nice to see people in real life | 17:03 |
| mmedvede | I think it is the best part | 17:03 |
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| asselin_ | yes, definitely :) | 17:04 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: I have no updates on ciwatch, do you have anything on common-ci? | 17:05 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: thank you for reviewing by the way | 17:05 |
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| asselin_ | I pushed a few doc changes recently. Otherwise, nothing new | 17:05 |
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| mmedvede | #topic Open Discussion | 17:07 |
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| mmedvede | asselin_: if you have anything to discuss, speak up. Otherwise short meeting :) | 17:08 |
| asselin_ | yeah...in the middle of some stuff :/ | 17:08 |
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| asselin_ | short is good. | 17:08 |
| mmedvede | +2 | 17:08 |
| asselin_ | unless you konw how to disable ipv6 in devstack? | 17:08 |
| mmedvede | not off the top of my head... | 17:09 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: does it break something? | 17:09 |
| asselin_ | we have ipv6 disabled in one of our environments. Trying to see what's easier, dsiable it in devstack, or get our env to support ipv6 | 17:09 |
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| mmedvede | asselin_: our CI does not use ipv6, but we did not disable it explicitly | 17:10 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: ok then, thanks for showing up | 17:11 |
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| asselin_ | thanks mmedvede | 17:11 |
| mmedvede | #endmeeting | 17:11 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 3 17:11:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:11 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-05-03-17.00.html | 17:11 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-05-03-17.00.txt | 17:11 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-05-03-17.00.log.html | 17:11 |
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| haleyb | asselin_: are you just trying to not create neutron ipv6 subnets? sorry for lurking, but i notice ipv6 things | 17:11 |
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| asselin_ | devstack is failing due to ipv6 | 17:12 |
| asselin_ | 2016-05-03 16:08:32.830 | + /opt/stack/new/devstack/lib/neutron-legacy:_neutron_configure_router_v6:L1386: sudo ip -6 addr add 2001:db8::2/64 dev br-ex | 17:12 |
| asselin_ | 2016-05-03 16:08:32.844 | RTNETLINK answers: Permission denied | 17:12 |
| asselin_ | but ipv6 is disabled in sysctl | 17:12 |
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| sweston | asselin_: hey, just put IP_VERSION=4 into your local.conf | 17:13 |
| asselin_ | sweston, hey! cool thanks! :) | 17:13 |
| haleyb | yes, sweston is faster than i | 17:13 |
| asselin_ | easy enough...will try that out | 17:14 |
| sweston | asselin_: yup, welcome 😊 | 17:14 |
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| asselin_ | now to see how to inject via devstack-gate | 17:18 |
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| clarkb | asselin_: or enable ipv6, not sure why that would be disabled | 17:36 |
| clarkb | it is 2016 afterall | 17:36 |
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| asselin_ | clarkb, long story.... | 17:42 |
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| dolphm | keystone meeting cancelled, per stevemar's 2 minute late post on the mailing list | 18:03 |
| rderose | cool, heading back to bed :) | 18:04 |
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| stevemar | dolphm: thanks :) | 18:04 |
| stevemar | rderose: sorry :( | 18:04 |
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| fungi | oh, meeting topic is broken in here apparently | 19:00 |
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| anteaya | seems so | 19:00 |
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| clarkb | hello | 19:01 |
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| SotK | hi! | 19:01 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 19:01 |
| bkero | o/ | 19:01 |
| Zara | o/ | 19:01 |
| krotscheck | AHHHHHH! | 19:01 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:01 |
| crinkle | o/ | 19:01 |
| mnaser | o/ | 19:01 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:01 |
| bkero | fungi: you didn't call infra-voltron to assemble, so I was wondering if it was still happening. | 19:01 |
| ttx | o/ | 19:01 |
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| morgan | o/ | 19:01 |
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| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 3 19:02:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| nibalizer | o | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| nibalizer | o/ | 19:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| jhesketh | Morning | 19:02 |
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| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
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| fungi | welcome back from the summit! (for those of you who were there, and for those who weren't we missed you but we'll catch you up) | 19:02 |
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| fungi | the agenda today is pretty light | 19:02 |
| fungi | also lots of people are semi-around or not at all | 19:02 |
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| jesusaur | o/ | 19:02 |
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| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
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| fungi | none for this week | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:03 |
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| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-04-19-19.02.html | 19:03 |
| fungi | jeblair investigate mail filtering by recipient options for infra-root@o.o inbox | 19:03 |
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| mordred | p/ | 19:03 |
| fungi | i'm guessing our summiting has delayed it, so going to just put it back on the queue for now | 19:03 |
| mordred | gah | 19:03 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:03 |
| fungi | #action jeblair investigate mail filtering by recipient options for infra-root@o.o inbox | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:04 |
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| fungi | none new this week | 19:04 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:04 |
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| fungi | no updates this week according to the agenda, but we should probably plan to do a brief review of priorities next week when people are more around and conscious again | 19:04 |
| fungi | oh, there's a couple more stale entries on the agenda i missed cleaning up | 19:05 |
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| fungi | #topic Stackviz deployment patches (austin81, timothyb89) | 19:06 |
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| timothyb89 | ah, this topic might be a bit outdated :) | 19:06 |
| fungi | yeah, i was looking for the updated patches on this one just now | 19:06 |
| timothyb89 | the un-revert patch is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311815/ | 19:07 |
| fungi | the other two topics i know are outdated so skipped straight to this | 19:07 |
| timothyb89 | I'm currently in the process of building images manually to test, so far it is running successfully on Ubuntu and Fedora is running right now | 19:07 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/311815 Create stackviz element and script in nodepool | 19:07 |
| clarkb | so we merged the thing friday then reverted it in the mean time? | 19:07 |
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| clarkb | if so how is this un revert different? | 19:08 |
| fungi | yeah, it apparently had some dependency/bootstrapping issues | 19:08 |
| timothyb89 | clarkb: yes, that is correct, it was causing nodepool build failures due to a pkg-map configuration issue | 19:08 |
| clarkb | timothyb89: is the new pkg-map different? | 19:08 |
| timothyb89 | clarkb: the unrevert fixes the file naming issue, and we've also fixed a race condition in our build script | 19:08 |
| timothyb89 | clarkb: it is the same, but the name of the file was wrong. we had named it 'pkg-map.json' by accident, when it should have been just 'pkg-map' | 19:09 |
| * clarkb is just going to have to diff the diffs | 19:09 | |
| anteaya | clarkb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311768/ | 19:09 |
| clarkb | timothyb89: gotcha | 19:09 |
| fungi | yeah, so dib was ignoring that file, and using its fallback behavior of assuming the package name didn't need mapping to anything | 19:09 |
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| ttx | clarkb: I recommend interdiff | 19:10 |
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| fungi | anything else on this one? if not, i'll go to open discussion and maybe we can do a lazy summit sessions recap | 19:11 |
| anteaya | I have a thing that didn't get on the agenda, but no more on this one | 19:11 |
| anteaya | so open discussion is fine | 19:12 |
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| fungi | what's your topic? we can hit it and then i'll try to do per-session items afterward | 19:12 |
| anteaya | pick a week for sprinting for control plane os upgrade | 19:13 |
| anteaya | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-infra-distro-upgrade-plans | 19:13 |
| fungi | #topic control plane os upgrade sprint scheduling | 19:13 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: this was your suggestion, do you have a week you like for this? | 19:13 |
| fungi | oh, related to a summit session | 19:13 |
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| anteaya | yes, sorry | 19:13 |
| fungi | i guess we'll start recapping summit sessions in that case ;) | 19:14 |
| anteaya | do you want to jsut cover it with other summit sessions? | 19:14 |
| fungi | we already are! | 19:14 |
| clarkb | I was thinking get it done during a non rc week and fairly early in cycle | 19:14 |
| anteaya | okay thanks | 19:14 |
| anteaya | clarkb: sounds good | 19:14 |
| clarkb | the next 3 weeks aren't great for me (but don't let that stop everyone else) | 19:14 |
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| fungi | yeah, i agree early in the cycle would be best. we probably should defer trying to make any decisions in this week's meeting since it's a downtime week for lots of people | 19:14 |
| anteaya | #link newton release schedule: http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 19:15 |
| clarkb | fungi: +q | 19:15 |
| clarkb | er | 19:15 |
| clarkb | +1 | 19:15 |
| fungi | but discussing options can't hurt | 19:15 |
| pabelanger | I think if we start with a n+1 logstash-worker I'd be okay with help with that | 19:15 |
| clarkb | R-19 maybe | 19:15 |
| anteaya | I like R-19 | 19:15 |
| fungi | yeah, i think the plan was to cram on all the easy upgrades and then try to tackle the more painful ones after lessons are learned | 19:16 |
| anteaya | fungi: that also was my understanding | 19:16 |
| clarkb | lets aim for R-19 and confirm next week | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | I'll be traveling at the end of that week | 19:16 |
| anteaya | clarkb: works for me | 19:16 |
| anteaya | pleia2: can you join at the beginning? | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | flying out wednesday night | 19:17 |
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| pleia2 | anteaya: yep | 19:17 |
| pabelanger | Isn't R-19 a holiday weekend for Canada (Victoria Day) | 19:17 |
| anteaya | pleia2: wonderful | 19:17 |
| anteaya | pabelanger: I would still work | 19:17 |
| fungi | pabelanger: beginning or end of r19 for the holiday? | 19:17 |
| anteaya | I'm away R-20 | 19:17 |
| pleia2 | May 30th (the week after) is a holiday in the US | 19:17 |
| pabelanger | fungi: the monday | 19:17 |
| anteaya | fungi: beginning | 19:17 |
| pleia2 | I'll be in (and working on) east coast time R-20 | 19:17 |
| pabelanger | anteaya: not sure I can make the monday. Might be traveling | 19:17 |
| anteaya | pleia2: and milestone one | 19:17 |
| anteaya | pabelanger: understood | 19:17 |
| anteaya | week long sprint, lots of days to play | 19:18 |
| anteaya | anyway, I got what I needed on this topic, thank you | 19:18 |
| fungi | alternative might be r17 since it'll be right after n1 | 19:18 |
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| anteaya | R-17 can work for me too | 19:18 |
| clarkb | fungi: we will be traveling then | 19:19 |
| fungi | oh, wait, i think clarkb and i are travelling for foundation things | 19:19 |
| fungi | yep | 19:19 |
| clarkb | ya | 19:19 |
| anteaya | oh that works less well | 19:19 |
| morgan | =/ | 19:19 |
| morgan | post n1 would have been nice. | 19:19 |
| anteaya | morgan: why? | 19:19 |
| clarkb | I think aim for R-19 currently, see how many can participate based on show of hands next week | 19:19 |
| morgan | since there is usually a lull in things. | 19:19 |
| anteaya | morgan: not anymore | 19:20 |
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| fungi | i'm around r16 but that's getting well further into the cycle | 19:20 |
| clarkb | we don't need everyone | 19:20 |
| morgan | anteaya: ah =/ | 19:20 |
| anteaya | clarkb: works for me | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: sounds good | 19:20 |
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| clarkb | we just need a critical mass of people that are able to devote most of their time to the problem | 19:20 |
| anteaya | morgan: yeah, no downtime anymore | 19:20 |
| anteaya | morgan: just summit weeks | 19:20 |
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| morgan | heh | 19:20 |
| fungi | sounds good. defer to next week | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | I'm around mon-wednesday at least, hopefully that will get through the worst of it | 19:20 |
| pabelanger | If R19 works for more people, I'm okay with that. | 19:20 |
| mordred | R19 works for me | 19:20 |
| anteaya | pleia2: wonderful | 19:20 |
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| anteaya | pabelanger: and joining Tuesday is great | 19:21 |
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| fungi | #topic Summit Recap: Community Task-Tracking | 19:21 |
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| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-infra-community-task-tracking Community Task-Tracking | 19:21 |
| fungi | for this one, we decided to decide | 19:21 |
| anteaya | yay us | 19:22 |
| SotK | \o/ | 19:22 |
| Zara | :D | 19:22 |
| fungi | ttx volunteered to write a spec-like thing and work toward a tc resolution on moving openstack to something | 19:22 |
| anteaya | Zara gets a steak everytime we decide to decide | 19:22 |
| mordred | that's so many steaks | 19:22 |
| Zara | wfm | 19:22 |
| fungi | jeblair and i are backups on that task | 19:22 |
| mordred | fungi: aim is having something votable by next infra meeting, yeah? | 19:23 |
| anteaya | mordred: that was what I remembered | 19:23 |
| fungi | mordred: sounds right. at least we said "next couple weeks" so that's a reasonable interpretation | 19:23 |
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| rcarrillocruz | o/ | 19:24 |
| rcarrillocruz | around now | 19:24 |
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| anteaya | rcarrillocruz: yay | 19:24 |
| anteaya | sleepy children | 19:24 |
| fungi | anyway, that's the distillation of the session. there were also some related discussions with regard to dashboard needs for the project management working group (noted in that pad), and also some ad hoc discussion on friday about vmt embargo bug workflows | 19:25 |
| fungi | er, s/project management/product management/ | 19:25 |
| rcarrillocruz | anteaya: finally! ;-) | 19:25 |
| anteaya | rcarrillocruz: you're a good father :) | 19:25 |
| fungi | #topic Summit Recap: Landing Page for Contributors | 19:26 |
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| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-infra-landing-page-for-contributors Landing Page for Contributors | 19:26 |
| rcarrillocruz | ;-) | 19:26 |
| fungi | this ended up being a little about publication/maintenance mechanisms, and mostly about picking a non-contentious hostname | 19:26 |
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| fungi | and the discussion continued after the session ended, well into the lunch line | 19:26 |
| fungi | thingee was unable to attend, but ttx and jeblair had strong opinions on selecting a hostname for the landing page url | 19:27 |
| anteaya | sorry I missed a good name picking session | 19:27 |
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| fungi | also jamesmcarthur from the openstack foundation volunteered to help with layout/formatting challenges to make it more visually appealing | 19:28 |
| mordred | \o/ | 19:29 |
| fungi | the initial plan is to just throw some ugly static html (maybe locally generated with a templating engine and then committed) into a repo and push that up to a vhost, but not publicize it until it gets a little more polish | 19:30 |
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| fungi | also thingee has a new contributor workflow/walkthrough targeted at low barrier to entry audiences we might incorporate or borrow from | 19:31 |
| pleia2 | great stuff in that, we used portions for the git+gerrit lunch on wednesday | 19:33 |
| anteaya | nice | 19:33 |
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| pleia2 | shall we move along? | 19:38 |
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| clarkb | I have nothing else on this topic, I wasn't able to make the session (provided coverage elsewhere), but seems liek a reasonable plan | 19:39 |
| nibalizer | yag | 19:39 |
| nibalizer | er, yah | 19:39 |
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| anteaya | agreed | 19:40 |
| pleia2 | fungi may have been eaten by a grue | 19:40 |
| anteaya | may have | 19:40 |
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| pleia2 | #topic Summit Recap: Launch-Node, Ansible and Puppet | 19:40 |
| clarkb | you may need to add yourself as a hcair before that will work | 19:40 |
| clarkb | there is a way t odo that but meh | 19:40 |
| pleia2 | #chair pleia2 | 19:40 |
| pleia2 | hah | 19:40 |
| pleia2 | oh well | 19:41 |
| nibalizer | bahahahaha | 19:41 |
| anteaya | I think only chairs can add chairs | 19:41 |
| pleia2 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-infra-launch-node-ansible-and-puppet | 19:41 |
| pleia2 | we'll just pretend it worked :) | 19:41 |
| anteaya | I remember pretty pictures at this session | 19:41 |
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| nibalizer | i think that was the other session actually | 19:41 |
| clarkb | I think we have a good handle on the work that needs to happen here, I even tracked down one of the issues with inventory and mordred figured it out. Hosts in the emergency file are assumed to exist | 19:41 |
| anteaya | oh sorry | 19:41 |
| pleia2 | yeah, that was the thursday one | 19:41 |
| clarkb | and I wrote another fix for launch node | 19:42 |
| pleia2 | cool | 19:42 |
| clarkb | which nibalizer is going to test shortly and if that works I think we are good on launch node front | 19:42 |
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| clarkb | and can finish work to remove the puppet master | 19:42 |
| clarkb | (env selection stuff) | 19:42 |
| nibalizer | ee can test clarks fixes ehen we launch storyboard-dev | 19:42 |
| nibalizer | puppetdb upgrde got rolled in and is progressing slowly | 19:42 |
| anteaya | etherpad is erroring for me at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-infra-launch-node-ansible-and-puppet | 19:43 |
| nibalizer | and the 'finglonger' spec got written and is posted | 19:43 |
| clarkb | anteaya: works here, maybe try a hard refresh? | 19:43 |
| rcarrillocruz | i landed the cloud launcher role on gerrit. Will add tests and all, but i'm hoping to work with someone on getting rid of low hanging fruit servers (logstash workers for example) and use the role to launch new ones | 19:43 |
| bkero | anteaya: I had to refresh to get it to work | 19:43 |
| anteaya | refresh worked, thank you clarkb and bkero | 19:43 |
| clarkb | so ya slow but steady progress here | 19:44 |
| nibalizer | cool | 19:44 |
| pleia2 | ok, let's keep this moving then | 19:44 |
| nibalizer | gj on all that clarkb | 19:44 |
| pleia2 | #topic Summit Recap: Wiki Upgrades | 19:44 |
| pleia2 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-infra-wiki-upgrades | 19:44 |
| pleia2 | long term we're going to kill it \o/ | 19:44 |
| anteaya | \o/ | 19:45 |
| pleia2 | short term we do need to do some triage work to get it upgraded and limp along | 19:45 |
| pleia2 | (thanks pabelanger for volunteering to work on this) | 19:45 |
| anteaya | pabelanger: how do you want to address status on that? | 19:45 |
| anteaya | pabelanger: do you want to do a weekly update at meetings so folks can help if need be? | 19:45 |
| pleia2 | ttx has stepped up to socialize the fact that we're doing away with it in a year, and I'll help as we try to pair people/teams up with tools to replace the wiki | 19:46 |
| pabelanger | Sure | 19:46 |
| anteaya | pleia2: neutron is already off the wiki except for the meeting agenda | 19:46 |
| anteaya | pabelanger: thank you | 19:46 |
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| pleia2 | anteaya: one down... :) | 19:46 |
| anteaya | pleia2: dougwig is going to socialize to the drivers to get their team pages off the wiki | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | great | 19:46 |
| pabelanger | I suspect we'll end up rolling the upgrade into the week of all other precise upgrades | 19:47 |
| anteaya | pabelanger: I think that is a great idea | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | pabelanger: yeah, that makes sense | 19:47 |
| ttx | Not sure what's best to use to compile meeting agendas... Etherpad ? | 19:47 |
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| pleia2 | ttx: I'm not sure either, but it may be etherpad | 19:47 |
| anteaya | ttx, yeah I don't know either | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | with time in mind, going to move on to the thursday sessions | 19:48 |
| pleia2 | work session on proposal jobs is next, yeah? | 19:48 |
| anteaya | I think so | 19:48 |
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| pleia2 | #topic Summit Recap: Proposal Jobs | 19:48 |
| pleia2 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-infra-proposal-jobs | 19:48 |
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| nibalizer | basically gonna scale this back | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | (also, I can't help but think fungi is continuing to run a parallel meeting on some other side of the netsplit) | 19:49 |
| ttx | the cool guys are on this side | 19:49 |
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| nibalizer | when possible we'll have jobs that post a datafile and the apps will use it | 19:49 |
| ttx | or cool humans | 19:49 |
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| nibalizer | oh is that what happened? hahahahhahaha | 19:49 |
| anteaya | ttx :) | 19:49 |
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| nibalizer | thats amazing | 19:50 |
| bkero | Quick, someone bridge the split | 19:50 |
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| anteaya | ajeager has a patch up: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310929/ | 19:50 |
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| ttx | do we have meetbot on our side ? | 19:50 |
| anteaya | for documenting reviewing things | 19:50 |
| pleia2 | ttx: we do | 19:50 |
| ttx | then we win obviously | 19:50 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 19:50 |
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| ttx | their alternate reality in fact doesn't exist | 19:50 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 19:50 |
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| pleia2 | nibalizer: sounds good, anything else to add? | 19:51 |
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| Zara | eep | 19:51 |
| anteaya | fungi: you are back | 19:51 |
| pleia2 | wb fungi | 19:51 |
| pleia2 | going to move on to robustifying | 19:52 |
| nibalizer | no | 19:52 |
| pleia2 | #topic Summit Recap: Robustify Ansible-Puppet | 19:52 |
| pleia2 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-infra-robustify-ansible-puppet | 19:52 |
| pleia2 | this is the one with the pretty pictures :) | 19:52 |
| anteaya | ah thank you | 19:52 |
| pleia2 | thanks to mordred and nibalizer for giving us a tour https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1537/26422736050_b34b196164_k.jpg | 19:52 |
| mordred | so many pictures | 19:52 |
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| * rcarrillocruz has a quick update on infra-cloud, when pleia2 goes thru all remaining agenda topics | 19:52 | |
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| clarkb | this too is making progress, I have a patch up that needs the important bits filled in that *should* make puppetboard reports happen | 19:53 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: yay! | 19:53 |
| nibalizer | and we are moving our report processor into puppetdb core | 19:53 |
| mordred | nibalizer: WOOT! | 19:53 |
| mordred | nibalizer: that's great news | 19:53 |
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| nibalizer | i mean will be, once it works with latest etc etc | 19:54 |
| pleia2 | ok, I think we just have a couple more | 19:54 |
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| pleia2 | #topic Summit Recap: OpenID/SSO for Community Systems | 19:54 |
| pleia2 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-infra-openid-sso-for-community-systems | 19:54 |
| fungi | jeblair and phschwartz volunteered to handle that part | 19:54 |
| * pleia2 hands the chair back to fungi | 19:55 | |
| fungi | hrm, the netsplit has unsplit it looks like? | 19:55 |
| pleia2 | seems so | 19:55 |
| clarkb | on this one I recall the plan was to sync up with foundation side to figure out what the functional requirements are and go from there with a strong prefernece from the infra side to not be on the hook for auth | 19:55 |
| anteaya | fungi: you seem to be here again | 19:55 |
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| ttx | our meeting was a lot better | 19:55 |
| fungi | at least partially (judging from the lurker count) | 19:55 |
| anteaya | clarkb: that also is my recollection | 19:55 |
| anteaya | and a preference for moving to ipsilon | 19:56 |
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| fungi | other outcomes were puppetboard failure reporting needs to be debugged (nibalizer volunteered) | 19:56 |
| nibalizer | yah me and the puppet crew are on it | 19:56 |
| fungi | and we need to start cleaning up defunct entries in puppetdb | 19:56 |
| nibalizer | yep | 19:56 |
| phschwartz | fungi: which one did I volunteer for? your comments before were lost to me due to a client crash | 19:56 |
| fungi | pleia2: i've been rambling this entire time, so have a bunch of recap written up to paste into the meeting log after | 19:57 |
| anteaya | what topic are we on? | 19:57 |
| pleia2 | fungi: haha | 19:57 |
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| anteaya | can we sync on topic? | 19:57 |
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| fungi | i was about to move onto the sso/openid recap | 19:57 |
| anteaya | okay | 19:57 |
| fungi | but we're down to a couple minutes, so maybe we can save teh rest for e-mail or next week | 19:57 |
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| nibalizer | yeo | 19:58 |
| nibalizer | yes | 19:58 |
| anteaya | rcarrillocruz: has an infra cloud update | 19:58 |
| rcarrillocruz | so | 19:58 |
| mordred | ooh! have the servers dried out? | 19:58 |
| fungi | #topic Open Discussion | 19:58 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i got a handful of ips and credentials for servers | 19:58 |
| rcarrillocruz | a couple of hours ago | 19:58 |
| rcarrillocruz | i'm missing quite a bit of servers | 19:58 |
| nibalizer | i deleted all the infracloud dns records, when we get the new ones ill be happy to out them back | 19:58 |
| anteaya | yay | 19:58 |
| rcarrillocruz | but we'll have a bunch to play with | 19:58 |
| rcarrillocruz | i'm hoping to give more info on that tomorrow | 19:59 |
| mnaser | also i just wanted to poke if the discussion started regarding the -infra requirements for control plane | 19:59 |
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| fungi | remember when we put the records for *.ic.openstack.org back let's create a new ic.openstack.org zone for them | 19:59 |
| crinkle | \o/ | 19:59 |
| nibalizer | yep | 19:59 |
| clarkb | mnaser: we can continue that in the infra channel | 19:59 |
| nibalizer | rcarrillocruz: awesome | 19:59 |
| mnaser | clarkb: sure | 19:59 |
| fungi | mnaser: i think pabelanger was interested in putting a freeswitch server running ubuntu xenial in there to start out? | 19:59 |
| nibalizer | hugops to the hpe datacenter people | 19:59 |
| clarkb | mnaser: tl;dr is we have things like git backends and long lived jenkins slaves that probably make senes for the initial start to that | 19:59 |
| fungi | anyway, we're out of time! | 20:00 |
| nibalizer | thabks everyone | 20:00 |
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| fungi | thanks everyone, and sorry about the netsplit | 20:00 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| crinkle | o/ | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 3 20:00:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-05-03-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-05-03-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-05-03-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
| ttx | Note: no TC meeting this week, we'll do the next on the 10th | 20:00 |
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| anteaya | ttx have a lovely evening | 20:01 |
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